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    Where are my Vassago Bretheren???

    I know there are alot of you out there so post them up! I would love to see some build black label frames and of course your light weight Jabber builds. Fished building mine just before Christmas. Not sure when a new wheelset will appear but that is about the only other mod I am looking at doing at this point. I figure the wheel build I want will shed about a pound which will make me really happy! Current weight as pictured with winter tires and my heavy seat is 21.4. With the summer tires and carbon saddle it brings it down to about 20.25 or so, less if I pull the barends (but I love'm and the keep ending up back on the bike)
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    2013 Optimus Ti

    Here is my new 2013 Optimus Ti. Build this up this past month, and I have to say I love this bike.

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    Verhauen

    Here is my Verhauen, just built it up this past weekend. Swapped most of the drivetrain over from my last bike, picked up some Stans Arch EX wheels (needed the 142x12 & 15mm compatibility my other wheels didn't have) and an X-Fusion Slide 29 from Vassago as well. Build went together slick, bike handles so well and geometry is dialed (for me).

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    Surprised that there are only a couple posts on here. Guess most guys don't venture outside of their normal thread sections. Love the Opt Ti and seriously looking at doing the VerHauen in the next year if I don't take the plunge and go custom with a CocoNino. Not much changed on mine in the past year or so. Been thru a couple different brake set ups but running XT's now. On a different bar as well, Answer 720 w/ 20 sweep. Actually love them. Not as severe as the Mary's and way lighter! Carbon of course. Swapped the seat out for the SLR that was on my road bike and I think that's about it. Sold my light race wheels because I was just too damn paranoid about riding them and having them break. Been on the same Velocity VXC w/ White Ind hubs since the first day I built this bike and they are still rolling strong!

    Pic of the bike with all the fall colors was taken last week (pink grips are off...was easier to slip them on to try the new bar but since I like the bar I put my black ones on). Other pic is of the bike early spring with my other wheels on it and what not.
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    Here you go, my second Vassago!

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    My Jabber

    My old Jabber. Still my favorite bike!

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    Here's my Jabber in the wild. Been my favorite since I built it up. It has ridden with me in several states now.Where are my Vassago Bretheren???-image.jpgWhere are my Vassago Bretheren???-image.jpg
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    Just picked up a Bandersnatch, going to run it 1 x 10 with a rigid front fork and 29+ front tire for a little cushion.

    I'll post pictures when I get it built up.

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    And here it is...Where are my Vassago Bretheren???-bandersnatch.jpg

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    I just met and rode with a guy that has a few Vassago's. He is really quick, so they must be fast bikes. He really loves his. He had a carbon prototype hardtail. Not sure the model. I didn't know these existed before a couple weeks ago.
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    Figured I would give my post a shot on this thread rather than starting a whole new one. I've been lurking all the Vassago/Verhauen threads for the past few months and have become quite the fan but I'm getting very impatient with the wait time on their frames. I would like to hear from any of you Vassago owners. Any customer service issues etc.?

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    Just put some Frequency i23s on it with a 2.2 front and rear. The wide rims turned into a 2.25.
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    2015 VerHauen
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    Didn't think it could get much better than my Jabber... Until I got my VerHauen. Love my Vassagos!







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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike Whisperer View Post
    Just picked up a Bandersnatch, going to run it 1 x 10 with a rigid front fork and 29+ front tire for a little cushion.

    I'll post pictures when I get it built up.
    Hey there,

    I am considering the same build. Did you do this? If you did, would you mind sharing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoon View Post
    Hey there,

    I am considering the same build. Did you do this? If you did, would you mind sharing?

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    Sorry, been so busy at work that I've been out of the MTBR forums for a while now. Yes I added a 29 x 3.0 front tire on a P35 rim. The Vee Rubber tire actually ended up about 2.8" in width with tons of volume. It certainly did give some cushion but it always felt weird to me. I could never get entirely used to the fat tire feel up front. I recently purchased a Manitou Tower suspension fork to run up front and intend to install it this weekend.

    If you're interested I might consider selling the Surly fork and Vee Rubber tire together. Both are in excellent condition and there is plenty of clearance in the KM fork with the 29+ tire.

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    fire02fred,

    I saw that you've run the Knard on both your Bander and Jabber, what are your thoughts on that setup?


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    2015 VerHauen
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    2012 Jabberwocky
    2013 Bandersnatch (Sold... to many gears...)

    Didn't think it could get much better than my Jabber... Until I got my VerHauen. Love my Vassagos!







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    Here's my reborn Jabberwocky.

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    Jabber- First Vassago owned.

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    Loved the 29+ front end on my 29ers... So I decided to pick up a new 29+ VerHauen frame to replace my old VerHauen... Couldn't be happier with it!















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    Hopefully in 2016 I will have some pictures of a new sweet Vassago! Hoping to be able to sell my road bike and convert it into a gravel grinder...

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    Perfect....


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    Just need to cut the steerer tube.


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    Tom said in a few weeks. Jabber with Sliding dropouts and room for 3.0 tire!

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    Curious, has anyone tried 27.5+ on a VerHauen?
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    Just ordered a 29+ Verhauen and Whisky #9 fork today.

    I'll be transferring all of my parts from my Krampus over and can't wait!

    Awesome bikes guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteitz View Post
    Curious, has anyone tried 27.5+ on a VerHauen?
    I would be interested to know this as well. Theoritically should, but it does have quite a high BB drop (66 mm).

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    My new Donnybrook.




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    Crap, never posted any finished pics since I've been enjoying it so much lol. Here are a few pics of the finished build.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikenature View Post
    My new Donnybrook.



    I've been saving my pennys for this frame. Saw your bike on FB when Vassago shared it. How do you like the ride? How's the fit?

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    Haha! I believe the final color had to be inspired by the custom VeHauen that Vassago repainted for me back in May. My inspiration was Volo's Rebel Blue color on their Polestar edition cars. Looks so good!
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    New Donnybrook:





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    Oh man...that Donnybrook is sweet!

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    I have been riding the 2013 OptimusTi for 3 years now! Still buttery smooth as the day I got it! Just built up an Optimus29+ and now I have issues deciding which bike to take out for a ride

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    Rumor has it that the new 2017 Vassago frames are arriving in the next few weeks with a lot of nice tweaks...

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    Any more news on 2017 release/site update?

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackkid View Post
    Any more news on 2017 release/site update?
    still waiting...and it's painful! LOL

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    wheels?

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    Crap, never posted any finished pics since I've been enjoying it so much lol. Here are a few pics of the finished build.



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    I am waiting on my Carver Gnarvester 29+ frame. What wheels are those? I still don't know which wheels, but I do like the looks of yours. I plan on the Chupacabras tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach1 View Post
    I am waiting on my Carver Gnarvester 29+ frame. What wheels are those? I still don't know which wheels, but I do like the looks of yours. I plan on the Chupacabras tires.
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    Nice. Gnarvester is awesome and I almost got one.

    The wheels are 40mm Nexties laced to Hope Pro 2 hubs. I really like the Chupacabra's, I plan on trying out some Surly Knards next since my local bike shop keeps them in stock.

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    Anyone talked to Tom lately? Any updates on the new frames? I may need to give him a call on Monday...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Ask him about the Jabersnatch?
    No problem. The updated Verhauen and Optimus frames are my own primary concerns, but I'll ask him for whatever info I can get on all of the above.

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    Right on!

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    Update on the first batches of new frames:

    2017 Verhauen - 2 weeks.
    2017 Optimus Ti - 4 weeks.
    Mooseknuckle - forgot to ask.
    Jabbersnatch - not gonna happen.

    The new Verhauen and Optimus Ti have identical geometry measurements. Each maintains most of the same tube length measurements as 2016, but they now both have 148mm boost spacing and 430mm chainstays that can safely fit 27.5x3.25" tires.

    (I forgot to ask about max 29er tire size because I was too focused on my own build. Sorry! I'll follow up on that question tomorrow).

    The first batch of Verhauens will not be painted. Instead, they heated the entire steel frame to bring out a unique mix of blues/purples/browns on the metal itself, and then simply added a clear coat on top of that. I personally think it looks pretty badass...

    Enjoy some 2017 Verhauen porn:


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    I really really like that heat-treated look. It's very interesting.
    I'd like to see more of that kind of thing. Vassago has done some neat colors, gold, root beer, now this...
    I've always kind of wondered what would happen if I stripped and clear coated a 4130 frame like a JabberWocky.

    I once bought a wheel set from a guy that took a torch to his ti frame, to similar effect. He actually claimed it was a prototype (or some story) Optimus, but he also said a lot of stuff that seemed odd. He also only rode his torched ti singlespeed on the road and it was geared like 38x14 or something. He showed me pics of it.
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    Couple more things I forgot to mention about the Verhauen:

    Normal 29er tires and 120mm fork = 69 deg HTA.

    27.5+ tires and 130mm fork = ~68.5 deg HTA.

    BB drop stays the same with either of those setups at 56mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paleh0rse View Post
    Couple more things I forgot to mention about the Verhauen:

    Normal 29er tires and 120mm fork = 69 deg HTA.

    27.5+ tires and 130mm fork = ~68.5 deg HTA.

    BB drop stays the same with either of those setups at 56mm.
    Thanks for the updates, paleh0rse. Looking forward to hearing about the max 29 tire width...

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    With boost spacing, I'm pretty sure it was intended to clear a 3.0 tire, but can't say that for certain, just seems logical.
    That said: 430mm cs is likely gonna prevent you from slamming the dropouts full forward with a 29x3 tire.,
    My Jabber's spec sheet lists the CS length as 432 with a 56mm bb drop, and this is what it looks like with a Knard at 12-13 psi:
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    There's about 2mm of clearance, probably not advisable to leave it like that, a CS of 430 is gonna rub.
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    More 2017 Verhauen info:

    - max 29+ tire with sliders all the way forward: 29x2.8
    - max 29+ tire with sliders set 75% back: 29x3.2
    - max 27.5+ tire with sliders all the way forward: 27.5x3.25
    - Based on the above, it may possibly fit 27.5x3.8 Hodag with sliders set back 50-75%

    I still need to get clarification on fork travel recommendations (or A2C) for each of the possible wheel/tire combos. If or when I get that info, I'll be sure to post it.

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    And these should be available when? Two weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    And these should be available when? Two weeks?
    Yes, the first batch of new Verhauen frames is arriving in ~2 weeks. The first batch of Optimus Ti frames (same geometry with titanium) should arrive 2 to 3 weeks after that.

    There is a waiting list, though, so you should probably give them a call and talk to Tom if you're seriously interested in grabbing one from the first batches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paleh0rse View Post
    Yes, the first batch of new Verhauen frames is arriving in ~2 weeks. The first batch of Optimus Ti frames (same geometry with titanium) should arrive 2 to 3 weeks after that.

    There is a waiting list, though, so you should probably give them a call and talk to Tom if you're seriously interested in grabbing one from the first batches.
    no news on the new jabbers? last i heard they were 3 weeks-ish away.

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    getting stoked and have been amassing parts. so far i have ordered or already have:

    XT 8000 brakes
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    RF Next cranks and 32t CR w/ BB
    Wolftooth 19th cog
    SRAM chain
    WTB silverado saddle
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    hoping to get a kick down from some of my industry bros on the wheels. that just leaves frame, fork, headset. i'll scoop up a King from Vassago with the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jct View Post
    getting stoked and have been amassing parts. so far i have ordered or already have:

    XT 8000 brakes
    RF cokpit
    RF Next cranks and 32t CR w/ BB
    Wolftooth 19th cog
    SRAM chain
    WTB silverado saddle
    2.6 Nobby Nics

    hoping to get a kick down from some of my industry bros on the wheels. that just leaves frame, fork, headset. i'll scoop up a King from Vassago with the frame.
    Sounds excellent! Which frame are you getting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paleh0rse
    Sounds excellent! Which frame are you getting?
    boost jabber with a rigid fork!!!

    i had an old green jabber but sold it 2 years ago.

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    Recommended fork travel for each setup on the 2017 Verhauen and 2017 Optimus Ti:

    1. 27.5+ front and rear: 130-140mm.
    2. Normal 29er front and rear: 120mm.
    3. 29+ front and rear: 100mm.
    4. 29+ front and 27.5+ rear: "not recommended… but probably a 80-100mm fork if you did it" - Tom.

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    Has anyone here ever asked Tom for a custom paint job?

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    I'd tell you what color the new model is going to be, but I'd probably get in trouble for it!

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    Which new model?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    I'd tell you what color the new model is going to be, but I'd probably get in trouble for it!
    I already know the first batch of Verhauens will be raw tempered steel with a clear coat. Heck, I even posted photos of it earlier in this thread.

    If I choose to go with the steel instead of Ti, though, I just have a few pallette ideas of my own. It's not mandatory to get the color I want, but it would be an awesome bonus if I could -- and I'm willing to pay extra, of course.

    Was just a thought. I'll call him on Monday to explore the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackkid View Post
    Which new model?
    I can't tell you, the name breaks forum rules. I got into trouble already about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    I can't tell you, the name breaks forum rules. I got into trouble already about it.
    Are you saying there is another new model besides the updated Jabberwocky, Verhauen, Optimus Ti, and Mooseknuckle?

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    There's supposed to be, but I'm not sure when it's coming out. I haven't heard about that last one you mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    There's supposed to be, but I'm not sure when it's coming out. I haven't heard about that last one you mentioned.
    The possibility of yet another new frame intrigues me! I need to call Tom again...lol

    There are already several Mooseknuckles in the wild -- they started trickling out last month, and they're all over the Vassagocycles Instagram. It's a titanium frame with the same geo as the updated Verhauen and Optimus Ti. The photos below should tell you how it got its name.



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    Oh, that is beautiful! Be careful with that name. A certain moderator may think you're talking about something else.

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    Looks like Columbus tubing on the new Verhauen? What's with all the bottle mounts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobInfo View Post
    What's with all the bottle mounts?
    Extra mounts for bikepacking setups, or just extra water for epics.

    Tried calling for an update this afternoon. No answer.

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    Stumbled across the Vassago TKO on their web page the other day and it checks a lot of boxes. Not available in my size right now. Anyone know if they're going to restock? Or is it a custom order item only? Or are they gone, gone, gone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paleh0rse View Post
    The possibility of yet another new frame intrigues me! I need to call Tom again...lol

    There are already several Mooseknuckles in the wild -- they started trickling out last month, and they're all over the Vassagocycles Instagram. It's a titanium frame with the same geo as the updated Verhauen and Optimus Ti. The photos below should tell you how it got its name.



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    I see why they call it the Mooseknuckle!

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    mooseknuckle frame is $2100 USD for anyone curious.

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    Been out and about on my Fisticuff... She took me coast to coast from San Diego to Jacksonville in just under two months SS, started in SD on January 16th. Thought maybe if I pulled that off they'd throw me a discount on that sexy new Mooseknuckle

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    Here she is all nekkid in single track monster cross shredding glory

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    for more pics and BS from the coast to coast trip see @john_mct on the gramz

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    So.damn.epic! Congratulations!

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    Yeah, it's getting me all knuckled up. Have you chronicled your journey anywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Yeah, it's getting me all knuckled up. Have you chronicled your journey anywhere?
    Just day to day snippets on instagram...never been much of a blogger so I figured if I started one up just for this trip it wouldn't gain much traction without an already established audience. Plus to be honest it was just a shitload of boring road riding. If it had been remote and gravellicous the whole way I'd probably have more to say.

    Finishline Pic:

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    I think people would be interested, if you started a thread with pictures and a story of your journey. It would be inspiring for people.

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    Any updates on all the new 2017 goodies? I'd like a full 2017 Verhauen geometry table if anyone has one. Will also be interested in full details on Optimus and Mooseknuckle when they get up on the Vassago site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcro View Post
    Any updates on all the new 2017 goodies? I'd like a full 2017 Verhauen geometry table if anyone has one. Will also be interested in full details on Optimus and Mooseknuckle when they get up on the Vassago site.
    All three of those frames will now share the same geo.

    The last word I got from Tom was that the new Verhauen and Optimus frames are due in next week ("last week of March"), and he plans to launch the new website with all the updated details the day they arrive.

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    let me guess....it's just a few more weeks out...

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    hehee...posted w/o checking their site. new jabbers are in and for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jct View Post
    hehee...posted w/o checking their site. new jabbers are in and for sale.
    The first batch of the other new frames arrived, as well. I got the notification from Tom for my new Optimus last week.

    I think I can also finally share the new geo for the 2017 Verhauen, Optimus, and Mooseknuckle frames. In addition to the new boost spacing (148mm), all three frames share the following geo:


    I'm not sure what the hold up is with Tom's new version of the website -- it's still not live. He really needs to get on that shit...

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    wonder if there are any slight geo tweaks to the jabber...i'm pretty sure there'll be no XL option on the jabber per an earlier message from Tom.

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    I'm standing by for a 2017 Donnybrook. Tom didn't know the colors a few weeks ago. I don't really care. I have a box full of parts and a wheel set that need to be installed so I can't wait. Good to see fellow Vassogians having a chat about some great bikes!

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    I've ridden my VerHauen SS with a 27.5+ "conversion" wheelset (Blunt 35s with WTB trailblazer 2.8s) and it works pretty well. The trailblazers fit easily, they are very tall and not that wide. It's a fun setup, more grip in most situations, the Trailblazers are a bit finicky with pressure. Handling is a little sharper, I assume because of the reduced trail. I have a Verfetten as well that I've converted to a "real" 27.5 plus bike, I'm still dialing in the cockpit, but it's loads of fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARandomBiker View Post
    With boost spacing, I'm pretty sure it was intended to clear a 3.0 tire, but can't say that for certain, just seems logical.
    That said: 430mm cs is likely gonna prevent you from slamming the dropouts full forward with a 29x3 tire.,
    My Jabber's spec sheet lists the CS length as 432 with a 56mm bb drop, and this is what it looks like with a Knard at 12-13 psi:
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    There's about 2mm of clearance, probably not advisable to leave it like that, a CS of 430 is gonna rub.
    For another data point, i have one of the new boost frames and my 29" chupa ona 39mm internal rim needs to be roughly 3/4s of the way back on the slider in order to roll with a couple mils of clearance from the CS.
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    Finished building this up tonight, first trail ride will be sometime this weekend...



    Planning to put some 29x3" Chupacabras on when the LBS has some in stock (29x2.4" Trailboss on there currently).

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    Does anybody know what's happened with Vassago? There was lots of chatter back in the spring about the new VerHauen, etc. but I haven't seen anything since March. Their site seems to have newer frames like the MooseKnuckle, but the VerHauens are the old style.

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    There isn't really a "new" or "old" VerHauen. The geometry hasn't changed, it's just new colors, as far as I'm aware.

    The "new" was just making the Jabber accommodate 3.0's and adding the MooseKnuckle.
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    Not entirely true, because True Temper stopped making steel tubing for bicycle frames, the new VerHauen frames are made from Columbus tubing. The new geometry looks like it's been changed to slacker front and shorter rear. Boost spacing and lots of bottle mounts appear to be targeted at the bike-packer crowd.

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    The newer MooseKnuckle, Verhauen, and Optimus frames all now share the identical updated geo with more flexibility to run 27.5+/29/29+.

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    My beloved Jabberwocky recently met an untimely end with a crack at the toptube/headtube weld. Unfortunate and unexpected, but after a handful of emails with Tom, I was graciously granted the opportunity to pay just a bit out of pocket and upgraded not only from a small frame to a medium frame (I'm 5'9) but from a Jabber to a VerHauen.

    I dropped off the broken frame at a local shop where the new one was waiting for me,and built it up last Thursday. It got a 18mile/2500' climbing Maiden Voyage on Saturday on the Black Canyon Trail.
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    Upsizing to a medium was the right move. I'm digging the 15mm longer ett, and have much more room for bottles.
    Could be a little confirmation bias, but I swear the premium Columbus steel rides a little nicer too. It's definitely lighter. Even a size bigger the frame is 1.5 lbs lighter.

    a pre-ride shot in my driveway
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    So Vassago has the new Columbus tubed VerHauens for sale? There web site only lists the old gen True Temper models. I haven't seen any pictures of the new frame since the spring, and they were a funky clear multi-color.

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    Definitely for sale. I've crossed paths with two others here in Phoenix, as well as seen pics of them in the 27.5+/29+ bike FB group. One of them is even in the UK.
    It's my understanding that TrueTemper stopped making OX platinum (shrug?) so a new material was chosen. The first run of the heat-treated/clearcoated ones had a little columbus bird on them denoting the change in supplier.
    Mine has no sticker and is gloss black, with matte black logos. Tom told me that was a limited run and all out of stock.

    I love Vassago. I wanted one for years before I bought my Jabberwocky last year, and they've got cult status here in PHX partly because the owner lives/operates here and frequents a local shop (ShadeTree bikes). For me, they live up to the hype, and I would buy one again in a heartbeat.

    **BUT**
    I recognize, **and have said directly to him**, that his website and his difficulties getting customer service streamlined are hampering his success. He operates as if he were (is) a one-man operation. Maybe he is, maybe he's not. I don't know.
    If you are interested in anything from Tom, the best way to get to him is (IME) by email. [email protected]

    I exchanged probably a dozen emails with him, and he always replied within 24-36 hours even on the weekend, but again, establishing a line of contact may have well been because of my location, and that I have friends that race for Vassago.

    I have wondered how much of my 'love' for Vassago is due to my location and the fact that I can literally get face to face with Tom if I need to. If I were in Oregon, or New York or Florida I can't say if I'd have the same feeling.

    Edit: in case any closet weight weenies were curious, the bike weighs 23.4lbs as pictured- 4oz of sealant in each 1000g Chronicle, 2 burly alloy cages, 22t steel Surly cog and super thick lock-on grips included.
    Could be into the 22's easily with a little work.
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    Here's my Bandersnatch. I've had it maybe 4 years now. For most of that time, it sat ignored and lonely as I was busy riding my Krampus. But, I just added a Whisky #9 fork and a new set of wheels (DT 350 hubs, Spank Oozy 295 rims. Loving this thing again. Great all-around XC bike. Not the best photo.
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    Prior to building the new wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paleh0rse View Post
    The newer MooseKnuckle, Verhauen, and Optimus frames all now share the identical updated geo with more flexibility to run 27.5+/29/29+.
    Quote Originally Posted by RobInfo View Post
    So Vassago has the new Columbus tubed VerHauens for sale? There web site only lists the old gen True Temper models. I haven't seen any pictures of the new frame since the spring, and they were a funky clear multi-color.
    Per Tom via a FB messenger conversation on Monday, all the 2017 frames have the same geometry, which is is that of the updated Jabberwocky, which matches what Paleh0rse posted above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARandomBiker View Post
    He operates as if he were (is) a one-man operation. Maybe he is, maybe he's not. I don't know.
    He is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paleh0rse View Post
    He is.
    I contacted Vassago through their website, and tried to find a phone number. Google gave one, but the voice mail didn't even confirm it was actually the right place, so I didn't leave a message. I see you mentioned giving Tom a call in several posts. Is there a good number where he can be reached?

    My Krampus is too small, and I'm trying to find the right frameset to replace it. Thinking about a Vassago instead of another Krampus, just because that is a lot of money to spend on a Surly when I could have something a little more special. And because there are a couple of key geometry differences (But I do like the Krampus). My Krampus does not have TA's, just old-style quick releases. I built with Velocity P 35's, and did a single speed conversion. I don't want a dedicated SS bike, just want that for now.

    Does the Jabberwocky sound like it would work so I'd have to buy minimal new parts? The forks on the website all have TA's, but I guess I could buy that somewhere else. Advice? Should I just have the wheel rebuilt with a TA, or get a different wheel? Prefer to keep it less expensive, OTOH...

    Also, the effective top tubes are slightly longer than the Krampus, but reach isn't listed. Can anyone comment on stack and reach compared to a Krampus? I wouldn't mind more stack.

    Last, which is the difference between the Jabberwocky and the Verhauen, besides price?

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    The Jabberwocky is 4130 Chromoly, the Verhauen is Columbus steel.
    The ride quality is nicer on the better tubing, and it’s much lighter.
    My small JabberWocky weighed 6lb on the nose, frame only. My medium VerHauen weighs 4.6 frame only.
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    i've had good luck corresponding via email and their FB account.
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    Thanks ArandonBr, I thought it might be the tubing, but I've been looking from a computer where a lot of the screens are blocked (at work).

    I'll try facebook.
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    i will add that I run Vassago's boost Ti fork. i'm not sure who makes it, but it's a damn fine fork. plenty stiff and tracks like a champ. i'm 200lbs and ride it pretty hard. i've used various salsa cro-mo, vassago Otis, 9er, whiskey etc....this is probably the best.

    but it could be the entire combo of frame/fork/wheels/tire etc that really make it shine.

    good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by jct View Post
    i will add that I run Vassago's boost Ti fork. i'm not sure who makes it, but it's a damn fine fork. plenty stiff and tracks like a champ. i'm 200lbs and ride it pretty hard. i've used various salsa cro-mo, vassago Otis, 9er, whiskey etc....this is probably the best.

    but it could be the entire combo of frame/fork/wheels/tire etc that really make it shine.

    good luck
    I haven't put a lot of effort into fork knowledge with mountainbikes coming from more a road background. It's a huge area I'm a little blank on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARandomBiker View Post

    I love Vassago. I wanted one for years before I bought my Jabberwocky last year, and they've got cult status here [...]
    Quote Originally Posted by ARandomBiker View Post

    My small JabberWocky weighed 6lb on the nose, frame only. My medium VerHauen weighs 4.6 frame only.
    I admire your positive attitude. So many others have been complaining about the horrible customer service. Meanwhile, you rode a 6lb frame that was the wrong size, and loved it. But it broke. For your great attitude, you've been rewarded with a new lighter frame, that fits!

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    It sounds quaint and naive possibly, but I always want the underdog to succeed. I think Tom offers a product that is excellent- essentially the same frame geometry in three different materials, basic steel, quality steel, titanium at a price point that I think is damned reasonable. There’s a lot of steel plus frames out there, some have (IMO) some wacky geometry, and a few plus-capable ti frames are being made but they’re either full-fat and narrowed down, or they’re a Gnarvester or Hanzo Ti; or they’re expensive custom. He just markets it rather poorly in many aspects.
    I’ve been fortunate that my customer service needs have always been met to my satisfaction, but don’t discount those who haven’t.
    If Tom would just hire someone to fix his website and keep it up to date, and publish a phone number that someone would actually answer, he’d sell double the frames he does.
    Hell, both times I talked to him by phone (a number he gave me by email) I’m pretty sure it was his personal cell because he answers with “This is Tom” and not “Thanks for calling Vassago bikes” or whatever.


    TL;DR- I like the simple one frame geo in three materials, I like the geometry for my part of the US, I’m willing to be patient with the one-man show to have one.


    Also: @Ryder1- I’m 5’9”, actually at the very bottom of the size range for medium. I fit both frames just fine, but I upsized to medium for more room for water bottles. I actually went from a 20mm setback post to a 0-setback and kept everything else the same when I moved frames.
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    I love my OX Platinum Vassago Verhauen. I am 5'7" and ride a small. I love the way the bike feels over rocks and bumps. Firm, but not too harsh. I am also local so I have met Tom many times in person. That all said he does need to work on the website and remote customer experience. He could expand alot I believe with more time those areas. Personally I owned the business I would run it differently. Then again it easy for me to say not being in the middle of it. My ex-wife was small business owner. Ran it as 1 man operation out of the house for years and I saw what she did for marketing/webstite/ customer support and it far superior than what Tom is doing. Of course she was not making bike frames so a very different market.
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    i am 5'9" and have had recent issues with most "medium" frames with ~600mm ETT measurements being too short for me. so i got a medium Jabber through Cycle Progression. much better!

    Where are my Vassago Bretheren???-circle-jabber.jpgWhere are my Vassago Bretheren???-jabber-rigid.jpg

    100mm Reba
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    playing around with handlesbars- Answer 20/20s and some 720mm low-risers
    34/21 gear ratio (probably should go 32/20 to tuck the rear end in a little more.0

    I also bought an Odis fork to go with it and i have been enjoying that a lot more than i thought i would.

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    Upgraded my IPA copper Verhauen. The pics do not do the color justice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruckus99ss View Post
    Upgraded my IPA copper Verhauen. The pics do not do the color justice
    Ahh Sidewinder trail, another Phx local! I've ridden by that marker in the first pic probably 50 times. All of Sonoran Preserve is almost built for singlespeeding.

    You should definitely come hang with more Vassago guys at the Thursday night Shadetree rides.

    I'll agree, that heat treated look is so poorly captured in pics, although you did a good job here! it's a stunner in the sunlight, in real person.

    Edit: I saw a comment you made in another thread about only fitting a 2.8 in that frame- You can fit a 3.0 it just has to be kept to the "long half" of the sliders, which kinda sucks, but it is what it is.
    I ran a well-stretched 29" Chronicle that measured over 3.0 with digital calipers in my Verhauen for a while. it was fine with 32x18 or 19, could buzz the chain stay lightly at 32x20, which was slightly biased toward the front of the sliders.
    I moved to a Bomboloni that specs at 2.88" and have no problems with 32x20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARandomBiker View Post
    Ahh Sidewinder trail, another Phx local! I've ridden by that marker in the first pic probably 50 times. All of Sonoran Preserve is almost built for singlespeeding.

    You should definitely come hang with more Vassago guys at the Thursday night Shadetree rides.

    I'll agree, that heat treated look is so poorly captured in pics, although you did a good job here! it's a stunner in the sunlight, in real person.

    Edit: I saw a comment you made in another thread about only fitting a 2.8 in that frame- You can fit a 3.0 it just has to be kept to the "long half" of the sliders, which kinda sucks, but it is what it is.
    I ran a well-stretched 29" Chronicle that measured over 3.0 with digital calipers in my Verhauen for a while. it was fine with 32x18 or 19, could buzz the chain stay lightly at 32x20, which was slightly biased toward the front of the sliders.
    I moved to a Bomboloni that specs at 2.88" and have no problems with 32x20.
    I have to hit it up one of these times. I have a 3.0 xr2 coming in this week. I’m going to put it on the front and take some measurements. I see the tires in it currently come in a 2.81 knob to knob. I think I can easily tweak another 1mm but not sure what they will end up at. Hoping I can run an xr2 (chupa) our back also but like you said there are some norrower 3.0s our there. Soon there should be a lot of 2.8’s out and can run 3.0 front 2.8 rear easily. Hoping one is an ikon 29x2.8!

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    Anyone know the difference between the Moosknuckle and the Optimus Ti? Which one is better for xc racing/riding?

    Is the sizing and geo the same?

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    Anyone know the difference between the Moosknuckle and the Optimus Ti? Which one is better for xc racing/riding?

    Is the sizing and geo the same?

    Thanks

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    Ruckus, any feedback on the new VerHauen, as well as the wheelset? I have one about to be shipped, and went with a Duroc 40/DT350 wheelset...well, the rear wheel anyways. The front is a SON dynamo hub laced to the Duroc 40. I'm building this up to replace my carbon XC hardtail as my main bikepacking rig.

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    Mooseknuckle is born

    Another Mooseknuckle has been spotted! I finally was able to get my dirty hands on a Mooseknuckle! I have been wanting one of these ever since they started making them, and my wildest dreams have come true, lol.

    Meet Mr.Dick he is one rowdy mofo.

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    A Jabber gets a second life!

    This is my 2007 Jabber. I rode it for 9 years straight. In July 2016 I decided to get a custom Samsara SS and haven't looked back. Then I started getting an itch to get back on the ol' Jabber. I mean, we had lots of good times, lots of miles, and several states of riding bliss together.

    So, I started digging in my parts bin to see what I had and started making a list. It turned out I only needed a fork and some odds and ends. She was finished in December last year and is my perfect companion on the canals. We already have 6 or so rides together this year. She's such a blast to ride and putting smiles on my face again.

    I'm still not sure about the Origin8 Batwing bar. I think I'll replace that soon. It's pretty narrow and I can't quite seem to get the right angle on it. I plan on making a frame bag and I really want to take her on some bike packing trips.

    Anyway, here's an old lady still going strong...just with a different purpose in life than what she was for 9 years.
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    SparkleWocky!

    After spending a couple of years on a just-slightlyt-too-small-for-me El Mariachi, I started spending undue amounts of time searching for the perfect replacement frame.

    Vassago checked all the boxes for me: steel, longer reach, threaded, bb, two bottle mounts on the size small frame. I kept going back and checking the website, but Jabber frames seemed permanently out of stock. Then, poking around in the "dungeon," I found a one-off JabberWocky with a sparkle paint job that had been used as a display bike.

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    A few emails with Tom later, and a sweet new ride was headed my way.

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    Man, the paint job looks so much better in person than in pictures. My poor camera skills can't capture how pretty this thing is.

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    Unfortunately, due to illness and work, I've only put a few miles on it, but it's starting to collect some dirt.

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    Got my reach dialed. #sugarskullaproved

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    Oops. Some whisky got on my new bike.

    Feeling pretty stoked! Except that riding a rigid fork for the first time got me feeling like I need to up my skills... Still, the SparkleWocky rails!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartland View Post
    After spending a couple of years on a just-slightlyt-too-small-for-me El Mariachi, I started spending undue amounts of time searching for the perfect replacement frame.

    Vassago checked all the boxes for me: steel, longer reach, threaded, bb, two bottle mounts on the size small frame. I kept going back and checking the website, but Jabber frames seemed permanently out of stock. Then, poking around in the "dungeon," I found a one-off JabberWocky with a sparkle paint job that had been used as a display bike.



    A few emails with Tom later, and a sweet new ride was headed my way.



    Man, the paint job looks so much better in person than in pictures. My poor camera skills can't capture how pretty this thing is.



    Unfortunately, due to illness and work, I've only put a few miles on it, but it's starting to collect some dirt.



    Got my reach dialed. #sugarskullaproved



    Oops. Some whisky got on my new bike.



    Feeling pretty stoked! Except that riding a rigid fork for the first time got me feeling like I need to up my skills... Still, the SparkleWocky rails!

    Looking pretty sweet my friend! Love the paint job. After 11 years, I still love Mrs. V, even though she's my canal bike now, she gets plenty of miles.

    Can you give a little info on some Whiskey?


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    Thanks! I've not put too many miles on the Whisky post, but it seems good. It's a QBP brand, nothing too special, but it's carbon and cheapish. Seems a bit more compliant than my previous Thomson. I like it so far (and I'll admit I partially like it cause it's called Whisky. Which I like a lot. *hic.)
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    Dick Mooseknuckle got all Enduro Bro'ed out

    So I joined the dark side and added a squishy front end, and a dropper post (I can not believe I just typed that). What's next GEARS? Hell no, never. HAHAHAHAHA

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtbyte View Post
    ...a dropper post (I can not believe I just typed that).
    You bring shame to the family.





    Kidding. you riding that thing tonight? Sounds like the perfect rig for the McD's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARandomBiker View Post
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    Kidding. you riding that thing tonight? Sounds like the perfect rig for the McD's.
    I know, shame. Yes bringing it tonight to shred some gnar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtbyte View Post
    So I joined the dark side and added a squishy front end, and a dropper post (I can not believe I just typed that). What's next GEARS? Hell no, never. HAHAHAHAHA

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    You were talking to me about gears on Saturday.... Hmm

    Here is my Verhauen with the new fork. I will bring it tonight. No dropper and no gears.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
    You were talking to me about gears on Saturday.... Hmm

    Here is my Verhauen with the new fork. I will bring it tonight. No dropper and no gears.


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    I'm not sure if I posted this earlier or not. I mentioned I had a 2018 Verhauen frame on order, well I've had it for a few months. I built it up to replace my Rocky Mountain Vertex as my main bikepacking bike. It's built up:

    XTR/XT/Wolftooth 1x11 with the jumbo 46t cassette
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    Thomson/Ritchey/Salsa/Zipp/Brooks cockpit and saddle
    Wheels are DT350 rear laced to Duroc 40 rim / front SON dynamo hub laced to Duroc 40 rim
    WTB Ranger 27.5x3.0 Light/Fast carcass
    KLite dynamo headlight and Sinewave USB charger

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    Upcoming replacements are:

    Rockshox SID RLC 120mm boost fork
    Boost SON hub laced to...possibly 29er rims...not sure yet
    Maxxis Rekon+ 27.5x2.8 front / Ikon+ 2.8 rear
    Probably replacing the KLite with a Sinewave Beacon mounted on the fork crown.

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    My Verhauen is getting its suspension fork today. I'm excited to see how it changes its singletrack characteristics. Right now, it's an absolute jackhammer on singletrack. The Salsa Cutthroat fork is a 45mm offset, 100mm travel length XC fork. The Verhauen is designed for a 120mm 51mm offset fork. I'm hoping having the correct fork geometry is going to make the bike more pleasant on singletrack.

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    I am patiently waiting for the VH frames coming back in stock. Started collecting parts and hope to have a bike built before the end of summer!! Some sweet looking bikes in this thread!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtbyte View Post
    So I joined the dark side and added a squishy front end, and a dropper post (I can not believe I just typed that). What's next GEARS? Hell no, never. HAHAHAHAHA

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    Is that dropper routed internally?

    Any close ups of... whatever happens down at the bottom bracket with the routing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky View Post
    Is that dropper routed internally?

    Any close ups of... whatever happens down at the bottom bracket with the routing?
    All of the cables, rear brake, der (if you you are into that kind of thing) and dropper are internally routed on the mooseknuckle. The dropper cable is internal all the way from the down tube to the dropper. The down tube and seat tube has a hole on the inside where the cable goes.
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    Just a little mooseknuckle porn while taking a break near the AT crossing at Three Forks in North GA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhopton View Post
    Just a little mooseknuckle porn while taking a break near the AT crossing at Three Forks in North GA.

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    Does anybody have the weight of a Mooseknuckle frame? Looking at a small or medium perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_kyle View Post
    My Verhauen is getting its suspension fork today. I'm excited to see how it changes its singletrack characteristics. Right now, it's an absolute jackhammer on singletrack. The Salsa Cutthroat fork is a 45mm offset, 100mm travel length XC fork. The Verhauen is designed for a 120mm 51mm offset fork. I'm hoping having the correct fork geometry is going to make the bike more pleasant on singletrack.
    A little update. The Salsa carbon fork was swapped out for a 120mm SID RLC and I replaced the 27.5x3.0 WTB Rangers with 27.5x2.8 Maxxis Rekon+/Ikon+ combo. These tires measure 2.65", which everyone hates; but I love. The fork and the skinnier tires really changed the ride characteristics of the VerHauen. It handles almost like a XC hardtail now.

    Update part deux: I'm building up a new wheelset. Nextie 40mm internal rims laced to DT Swiss 240 hubs and will run a Maxxis Rekon 29x2.6 front and Bontrager XR2 Team 29x2.6 rear. I'm excited to see how the bike feels with a lighter wheelset and tires and big 29er rollers.

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    Here's a quick pic:
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    Very nice!

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    Sooooo I bought a Jabber in 2016, set it up SS and was pretty stoked on it for the most part. Unfortunately I found a crack in the seat tube about 2 months ago so it didn't live a very long life.....

    Anyone else have issues with 2016 frames cracking? This was the newer frame with boost spacing and ability to run 27+, 29 or 29+.

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    Just built up a 2018 VerHauen frame. Fun bike and looks great, but I'm having chainstay clearance issues on the drive side (with multiple cranks). Current iteration clears most of the time, but contacts when pushing hard up a climb. And yes, I'm using the correct number of BB spacers (none).

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    Anyone want to do some measuring for me? Still trying to work out this crank issue. My X01 cranks are 168 q factor (I measured) and have 138mm of clearance between the arms with the boots installed (measured at the tip). The drive side arm contacted the chainstay in this configuration, which Tom tells me should not happen. With the boots removed, it cleared in the stand, but rubbed when pedaling. Praxis cranks pictured above are 172 q factor and have 142mm clearance between the arms without boots. They rub under heavy torque, but are fine under light loads. My frame measures 136mm wide across the chainstays at the pedals (175mm cranks).

    Measurements I'm looking for:
    - Anyone: crank model and arm clearance between the inner surfaces at the tip of the arm (trying to find a crankset that might fit)
    - 2018 VerHauen owners: frame width measured across the chainstays at the pedals on a 175mm crank (should tell me if my frame is out of spec)

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    Quote Originally Posted by coleam View Post
    Anyone want to do some measuring for me? Still trying to work out this crank issue. My X01 cranks are 168 q factor (I measured) and have 138mm of clearance between the arms with the boots installed (measured at the tip). The drive side arm contacted the chainstay in this configuration, which Tom tells me should not happen. With the boots removed, it cleared in the stand, but rubbed when pedaling. Praxis cranks pictured above are 172 q factor and have 142mm clearance between the arms without boots. They rub under heavy torque, but are fine under light loads. My frame measures 136mm wide across the chainstays at the pedals (175mm cranks).

    Measurements I'm looking for:
    - Anyone: crank model and arm clearance between the inner surfaces at the tip of the arm (trying to find a crankset that might fit)
    - 2018 VerHauen owners: frame width measured across the chainstays at the pedals on a 175mm crank (should tell me if my frame is out of spec)
    Hey, Here's what I have:

    Small, 2018 VerHauen, 170mm XT M8000 cranks.

    6mm of clearance from the driveside crankarm end to the chainstay, 102mm inside measurment from chainstay to chainstay at the pedal spindal, with the crankarm parallel to the chainstay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_kyle View Post
    Hey, Here's what I have:

    Small, 2018 VerHauen, 170mm XT M8000 cranks.

    6mm of clearance from the driveside crankarm end to the chainstay, 102mm inside measurment from chainstay to chainstay at the pedal spindal, with the crankarm parallel to the chainstay.
    Thanks! That sounds about the same as mine - I just measured inside the chainstays at the pedal spindle and got 102.9mm with 175mm cranks. Seems like I may just be picking the wrong cranks then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coleam View Post
    Thanks! That sounds about the same as mine - I just measured inside the chainstays at the pedal spindle and got 102.9mm with 175mm cranks. Seems like I may just be picking the wrong cranks then.
    I'm short and run 170mm cranks on everything. 175mm is pretty standard; but your pic looks like there are 2mm of clearance if that. I remember some cranks used to have a 1mm big washer that spaced the drive-side crank arm out a bit; but that was several years ago. Not sure if that is applicable to your case or not.

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    Good news, Legion, I'll be selling my '18 VerHauen frame in the near future...because I have an Optimus Ti on order. Pretty excited to shed about 1lb from the frame and ride a Ti mtb.

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    Radimus reports please!
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    Mrs. V is from 2007 and is in 4th or 5th iteration. Tonight I just installed some drops, shorty stem and brake levers. I had to ground down the mtb shifter a bit to get it over the curve but I'm pretty stoked with how she turned out. Mostly built with spare parts, sans surly fork (installed last year) and what I installed today. She'll see mostly gravel and dirt roads.

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    Just picked this VerHauen frame up from Ebay. The ad said it had some nicks and scrapes so I bought it thinking I would blast it and powder coat it matte black.

    However, when it arrived there was 1 small nick on the top of headtube that probably won't be seen once the headset is installed. I don't even like the color but it's in such good shape I can't justify the change.

    Will be building it up as a lightweight single speed for hilly trails.

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    FFS I don't need another frame to build up but this just popped up on my local forum (In eastern europe so rarer than hens teeth)!

    size L verhauen frame for 400 bucks...somebody please tell me it would be too long for me anyway at five foot ten. Already have a fisticuff that I love but wouldn't mind another fat tire bike, how big could I go in 27.5+ with one of these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmctav23 View Post
    FFS I don't need another frame to build up but this just popped up on my local forum (In eastern europe so rarer than hens teeth)!

    size L verhauen frame for 400 bucks...somebody please tell me it would be too long for me anyway at five foot ten. Already have a fisticuff that I love but wouldn't mind another fat tire bike, how big could I go in 27.5+ with one of these?

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    Great find. I'm shorter than you and ride a Large. No worries. Use a stem that feels comfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Great find. I'm shorter than you and ride a Large. No worries. Use a stem that feels comfortable.
    Enabler! And I just found out the same guy is selling a Whiskey #9 fork...just shut up and take my money!

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    I'm 5'9" and have had a small Jaberwocky and a medium Verhauen. Some other guys I ride with that are closer to six feet also prefer the small. In my opinion your probably right on for a medium and a large might feel a bit big.
    Pedal through it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteitz View Post
    I'm 5'9" and have had a small Jaberwocky and a medium Verhauen. Some other guys I ride with that are closer to six feet also prefer the small. In my opinion your probably right on for a medium and a large might feel a bit big.
    Curious as to what size stem you use. Also, do you get out of the saddle much on climbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Curious as to what size stem you use. Also, do you get out of the saddle much on climbs?

    On the small I ran a 70mm and on my medium a 50mm. Even with the shorter stem the bike just still felt long. But I'll and that I have a shorter inseam and long torso.
    Pedal through it!

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    can anybody who's had the first-gen Verhauen shed light on the rear end tire clearance? This old post from the Vassago insta indicates that they can squeeze 29+ in but I'm not that familiar with the model history to know if all of them can...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmctav23 View Post
    can anybody who's had the first-gen Verhauen shed light on the rear end tire clearance? This old post from the Vassago insta indicates that they can squeeze 29+ in but I'm not that familiar with the model history to know if all of them can...

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    My first gen VeHauen maxed out at a 2.35 with the sliders all the way forward. I preferred making having the chain stays as short as possible so I can't really speak to what would fit with e them pushed back a bit but it seems like a full 3.0 could be a stretch.

    I know all the last gen VeHauens and Jabberwockys however do clear a 3.0. I'd guess that's what this is a photo of, but i could be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coleam View Post
    Anyone want to do some measuring for me? Still trying to work out this crank issue. My X01 cranks are 168 q factor (I measured) and have 138mm of clearance between the arms with the boots installed (measured at the tip). The drive side arm contacted the chainstay in this configuration, which Tom tells me should not happen. With the boots removed, it cleared in the stand, but rubbed when pedaling. Praxis cranks pictured above are 172 q factor and have 142mm clearance between the arms without boots. They rub under heavy torque, but are fine under light loads. My frame measures 136mm wide across the chainstays at the pedals (175mm cranks).

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    - Anyone: crank model and arm clearance between the inner surfaces at the tip of the arm (trying to find a crankset that might fit)
    - 2018 VerHauen owners: frame width measured across the chainstays at the pedals on a 175mm crank (should tell me if my frame is out of spec)
    I’m having same issue with my 2018 verhaunen Xx1 Eagle q168 crankset. Driveside hits under flex/load. Non driveside plenty of clearance. I was told another driveside spacer will bind the bearings. They even called sram and everything is in spec crank/bb wise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruckus99ss View Post
    I’m having same issue with my 2018 verhaunen Xx1 Eagle q168 crankset. Driveside hits under flex/load. Non driveside plenty of clearance. I was told another driveside spacer will bind the bearings. They even called sram and everything is in spec crank/bb wise
    My solution ended up being the RF Turbine cranks. Not sure what spindle length I have since I got them used and the spot where the length was printed has been rubbed off, but it's either the 134 or 136 length based on the BB width (with spacers). I have it measured at 99mm, which is in spec for both. They claim that you should be running only one drive side spacer on a 73mm BB shell, but I'm running two (both drive side to space the arms evenly off the chainstays) and it's working fine. Torqued the cranks to spec and could still get about a quarter turn on the preload ring, so it's not too tight. Not sure that it would work for the NEXT cranksets since they have ~7mm less arm clearance than the Turbines. Could maybe get away with SixC cranks, which have ~4mm less clearance, but I think that might be tight. Or just run a longer spindle (143/149mm) and use more spacers.

    It's a little strange, but it works. I wonder if there was a run of frames that had the BB shell welded on a few mm off - I've checked my frame alignment, and it's straight.

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    Follow up on my SS build. Final weight for a large is 18.8 lbs. Wanted to ride it tomorrow but the brakes need to be bled. Hopefully next week if there isn't snow.
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    Love my Verhauen 2014 in Feuerspucken Red
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    I didnt buy all of the parts at once it has taken from 2014 until 2018 to put it all together. So fast and smooth. It loves to leave the ground-yeah, it jumps.

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    what's up with the Jabber these days? are they discontinued? i still have my latest 2017? iteration and love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jct View Post
    what's up with the Jabber these days? are they discontinued? i still have my latest 2017? iteration and love it.
    It seems so, the current available frames are the Mooseknuckle, Radimus, and Optimus. I enjoy my classic bandersnatch but would to get my hands on a Jabber for the SS capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Train Wreck View Post
    It seems so, the current available frames are the Mooseknuckle, Radimus, and Optimus. I enjoy my classic bandersnatch but would to get my hands on a Jabber for the SS capability.
    cool. just got some Ti replacement slider bolts from Vassago for my jabber. supposedly tighter tolerance and deeper pocket. now to extract the rounded one.
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    Selling my 2017 Jabberwocky frame, 29+ capable with stealth dropper routing.

    Size medium.

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    Just posted my VerHauen frame for sale in the classified. Size Large $650 firm. No Offers please.
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    Super cool - my new VerHauen frame arrived at my doorstep about 30 minutes ago!

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    I am in love with this bike, its a SS now and those fancy tan sidewall tires only lasted one ride but I don't want to ride anything else now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaynec View Post
    I am in love with this bike, its a SS now and those fancy tan sidewall tires only lasted one ride but I don't want to ride anything else now.
    Full detailed ride report please! How do you think this one would be setup rigid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSsteel4life View Post
    Full detailed ride report please! How do you think this one would be setup rigid?
    I have the previous edition set up rigid, and I really like it that way. Not sure what geo changes were made for the update, but I'm pretty sure they're rated for the same fork travel (120-140), so in theory it should work okay with a (longer) rigid fork. I think mine is ~500mm a2c, which is about where a 120mm fork sits at 20% sag.

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    Since the frame spec called for a 500mm rigid fork I never planned on setting this one up that way. My Optimus was my go to bike with a rigid frame, but after recent rain storms rearranged all of our trails that one has been converted to the dark side as well (fox 34). I may a poor person to judge the perfect rigid frame bike but this new steel bike is the softest bike I have ever ridden, for me even more so than the Ti bike.
    As for the tan sidewall tires, I haven't had to deal with a flat on the trail in 2 years and I split the rear tire on the first ride, I never could figure out what I hit. Just too soft for our area. Full disclosure this bike is a SS now. I guess I'm fickle. shayne

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