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    The Jabberwocky is 4130 Chromoly, the Verhauen is Columbus steel.
    The ride quality is nicer on the better tubing, and itís much lighter.
    My small JabberWocky weighed 6lb on the nose, frame only. My medium VerHauen weighs 4.6 frame only.
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    i've had good luck corresponding via email and their FB account.
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    Thanks ArandonBr, I thought it might be the tubing, but I've been looking from a computer where a lot of the screens are blocked (at work).

    I'll try facebook.
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    i will add that I run Vassago's boost Ti fork. i'm not sure who makes it, but it's a damn fine fork. plenty stiff and tracks like a champ. i'm 200lbs and ride it pretty hard. i've used various salsa cro-mo, vassago Otis, 9er, whiskey etc....this is probably the best.

    but it could be the entire combo of frame/fork/wheels/tire etc that really make it shine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jct View Post
    i will add that I run Vassago's boost Ti fork. i'm not sure who makes it, but it's a damn fine fork. plenty stiff and tracks like a champ. i'm 200lbs and ride it pretty hard. i've used various salsa cro-mo, vassago Otis, 9er, whiskey etc....this is probably the best.

    but it could be the entire combo of frame/fork/wheels/tire etc that really make it shine.

    good luck
    I haven't put a lot of effort into fork knowledge with mountainbikes coming from more a road background. It's a huge area I'm a little blank on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARandomBiker View Post

    I love Vassago. I wanted one for years before I bought my Jabberwocky last year, and they've got cult status here [...]
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    My small JabberWocky weighed 6lb on the nose, frame only. My medium VerHauen weighs 4.6 frame only.
    I admire your positive attitude. So many others have been complaining about the horrible customer service. Meanwhile, you rode a 6lb frame that was the wrong size, and loved it. But it broke. For your great attitude, you've been rewarded with a new lighter frame, that fits!
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    It sounds quaint and naive possibly, but I always want the underdog to succeed. I think Tom offers a product that is excellent- essentially the same frame geometry in three different materials, basic steel, quality steel, titanium at a price point that I think is damned reasonable. Thereís a lot of steel plus frames out there, some have (IMO) some wacky geometry, and a few plus-capable ti frames are being made but theyíre either full-fat and narrowed down, or theyíre a Gnarvester or Hanzo Ti; or theyíre expensive custom. He just markets it rather poorly in many aspects.
    Iíve been fortunate that my customer service needs have always been met to my satisfaction, but donít discount those who havenít.
    If Tom would just hire someone to fix his website and keep it up to date, and publish a phone number that someone would actually answer, heíd sell double the frames he does.
    Hell, both times I talked to him by phone (a number he gave me by email) Iím pretty sure it was his personal cell because he answers with ďThis is TomĒ and not ďThanks for calling Vassago bikesĒ or whatever.


    TL;DR- I like the simple one frame geo in three materials, I like the geometry for my part of the US, Iím willing to be patient with the one-man show to have one.


    Also: @Ryder1- Iím 5í9Ē, actually at the very bottom of the size range for medium. I fit both frames just fine, but I upsized to medium for more room for water bottles. I actually went from a 20mm setback post to a 0-setback and kept everything else the same when I moved frames.
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    I love my OX Platinum Vassago Verhauen. I am 5'7" and ride a small. I love the way the bike feels over rocks and bumps. Firm, but not too harsh. I am also local so I have met Tom many times in person. That all said he does need to work on the website and remote customer experience. He could expand alot I believe with more time those areas. Personally I owned the business I would run it differently. Then again it easy for me to say not being in the middle of it. My ex-wife was small business owner. Ran it as 1 man operation out of the house for years and I saw what she did for marketing/webstite/ customer support and it far superior than what Tom is doing. Of course she was not making bike frames so a very different market.
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    i am 5'9" and have had recent issues with most "medium" frames with ~600mm ETT measurements being too short for me. so i got a medium Jabber through Cycle Progression. much better!

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    playing around with handlesbars- Answer 20/20s and some 720mm low-risers
    34/21 gear ratio (probably should go 32/20 to tuck the rear end in a little more.0

    I also bought an Odis fork to go with it and i have been enjoying that a lot more than i thought i would.

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    Upgraded my IPA copper Verhauen. The pics do not do the color justice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruckus99ss View Post
    Upgraded my IPA copper Verhauen. The pics do not do the color justice
    Ahh Sidewinder trail, another Phx local! I've ridden by that marker in the first pic probably 50 times. All of Sonoran Preserve is almost built for singlespeeding.

    You should definitely come hang with more Vassago guys at the Thursday night Shadetree rides.

    I'll agree, that heat treated look is so poorly captured in pics, although you did a good job here! it's a stunner in the sunlight, in real person.

    Edit: I saw a comment you made in another thread about only fitting a 2.8 in that frame- You can fit a 3.0 it just has to be kept to the "long half" of the sliders, which kinda sucks, but it is what it is.
    I ran a well-stretched 29" Chronicle that measured over 3.0 with digital calipers in my Verhauen for a while. it was fine with 32x18 or 19, could buzz the chain stay lightly at 32x20, which was slightly biased toward the front of the sliders.
    I moved to a Bomboloni that specs at 2.88" and have no problems with 32x20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARandomBiker View Post
    Ahh Sidewinder trail, another Phx local! I've ridden by that marker in the first pic probably 50 times. All of Sonoran Preserve is almost built for singlespeeding.

    You should definitely come hang with more Vassago guys at the Thursday night Shadetree rides.

    I'll agree, that heat treated look is so poorly captured in pics, although you did a good job here! it's a stunner in the sunlight, in real person.

    Edit: I saw a comment you made in another thread about only fitting a 2.8 in that frame- You can fit a 3.0 it just has to be kept to the "long half" of the sliders, which kinda sucks, but it is what it is.
    I ran a well-stretched 29" Chronicle that measured over 3.0 with digital calipers in my Verhauen for a while. it was fine with 32x18 or 19, could buzz the chain stay lightly at 32x20, which was slightly biased toward the front of the sliders.
    I moved to a Bomboloni that specs at 2.88" and have no problems with 32x20.
    I have to hit it up one of these times. I have a 3.0 xr2 coming in this week. Iím going to put it on the front and take some measurements. I see the tires in it currently come in a 2.81 knob to knob. I think I can easily tweak another 1mm but not sure what they will end up at. Hoping I can run an xr2 (chupa) our back also but like you said there are some norrower 3.0s our there. Soon there should be a lot of 2.8ís out and can run 3.0 front 2.8 rear easily. Hoping one is an ikon 29x2.8!

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    Anyone know the difference between the Moosknuckle and the Optimus Ti? Which one is better for xc racing/riding?

    Is the sizing and geo the same?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmo View Post
    Anyone know the difference between the Moosknuckle and the Optimus Ti? Which one is better for xc racing/riding?

    Is the sizing and geo the same?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruckus99ss View Post
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    Ruckus, any feedback on the new VerHauen, as well as the wheelset? I have one about to be shipped, and went with a Duroc 40/DT350 wheelset...well, the rear wheel anyways. The front is a SON dynamo hub laced to the Duroc 40. I'm building this up to replace my carbon XC hardtail as my main bikepacking rig.

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    Mooseknuckle is born

    Another Mooseknuckle has been spotted! I finally was able to get my dirty hands on a Mooseknuckle! I have been wanting one of these ever since they started making them, and my wildest dreams have come true, lol.

    Meet Mr.Dick he is one rowdy mofo.

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    A Jabber gets a second life!

    This is my 2007 Jabber. I rode it for 9 years straight. In July 2016 I decided to get a custom Samsara SS and haven't looked back. Then I started getting an itch to get back on the ol' Jabber. I mean, we had lots of good times, lots of miles, and several states of riding bliss together.

    So, I started digging in my parts bin to see what I had and started making a list. It turned out I only needed a fork and some odds and ends. She was finished in December last year and is my perfect companion on the canals. We already have 6 or so rides together this year. She's such a blast to ride and putting smiles on my face again.

    I'm still not sure about the Origin8 Batwing bar. I think I'll replace that soon. It's pretty narrow and I can't quite seem to get the right angle on it. I plan on making a frame bag and I really want to take her on some bike packing trips.

    Anyway, here's an old lady still going strong...just with a different purpose in life than what she was for 9 years.
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    SparkleWocky!

    After spending a couple of years on a just-slightlyt-too-small-for-me El Mariachi, I started spending undue amounts of time searching for the perfect replacement frame.

    Vassago checked all the boxes for me: steel, longer reach, threaded, bb, two bottle mounts on the size small frame. I kept going back and checking the website, but Jabber frames seemed permanently out of stock. Then, poking around in the "dungeon," I found a one-off JabberWocky with a sparkle paint job that had been used as a display bike.

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    A few emails with Tom later, and a sweet new ride was headed my way.

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    Man, the paint job looks so much better in person than in pictures. My poor camera skills can't capture how pretty this thing is.

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    Unfortunately, due to illness and work, I've only put a few miles on it, but it's starting to collect some dirt.

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    Got my reach dialed. #sugarskullaproved

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    Oops. Some whisky got on my new bike.

    Feeling pretty stoked! Except that riding a rigid fork for the first time got me feeling like I need to up my skills... Still, the SparkleWocky rails!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heartland View Post
    After spending a couple of years on a just-slightlyt-too-small-for-me El Mariachi, I started spending undue amounts of time searching for the perfect replacement frame.

    Vassago checked all the boxes for me: steel, longer reach, threaded, bb, two bottle mounts on the size small frame. I kept going back and checking the website, but Jabber frames seemed permanently out of stock. Then, poking around in the "dungeon," I found a one-off JabberWocky with a sparkle paint job that had been used as a display bike.



    A few emails with Tom later, and a sweet new ride was headed my way.



    Man, the paint job looks so much better in person than in pictures. My poor camera skills can't capture how pretty this thing is.



    Unfortunately, due to illness and work, I've only put a few miles on it, but it's starting to collect some dirt.



    Got my reach dialed. #sugarskullaproved



    Oops. Some whisky got on my new bike.



    Feeling pretty stoked! Except that riding a rigid fork for the first time got me feeling like I need to up my skills... Still, the SparkleWocky rails!

    Looking pretty sweet my friend! Love the paint job. After 11 years, I still love Mrs. V, even though she's my canal bike now, she gets plenty of miles.

    Can you give a little info on some Whiskey?


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    Thanks! I've not put too many miles on the Whisky post, but it seems good. It's a QBP brand, nothing too special, but it's carbon and cheapish. Seems a bit more compliant than my previous Thomson. I like it so far (and I'll admit I partially like it cause it's called Whisky. Which I like a lot. *hic.)
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    Dick Mooseknuckle got all Enduro Bro'ed out

    So I joined the dark side and added a squishy front end, and a dropper post (I can not believe I just typed that). What's next GEARS? Hell no, never. HAHAHAHAHA

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtbyte View Post
    ...a dropper post (I can not believe I just typed that).
    You bring shame to the family.





    Kidding. you riding that thing tonight? Sounds like the perfect rig for the McD's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARandomBiker View Post
    You bring shame to the family.





    Kidding. you riding that thing tonight? Sounds like the perfect rig for the McD's.
    I know, shame. Yes bringing it tonight to shred some gnar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtbyte View Post
    So I joined the dark side and added a squishy front end, and a dropper post (I can not believe I just typed that). What's next GEARS? Hell no, never. HAHAHAHAHA

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    You were talking to me about gears on Saturday.... Hmm

    Here is my Verhauen with the new fork. I will bring it tonight. No dropper and no gears.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
    You were talking to me about gears on Saturday.... Hmm

    Here is my Verhauen with the new fork. I will bring it tonight. No dropper and no gears.


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    I'm not sure if I posted this earlier or not. I mentioned I had a 2018 Verhauen frame on order, well I've had it for a few months. I built it up to replace my Rocky Mountain Vertex as my main bikepacking bike. It's built up:

    XTR/XT/Wolftooth 1x11 with the jumbo 46t cassette
    XT brakes
    Salsa Cutthroat fork
    Thomson/Ritchey/Salsa/Zipp/Brooks cockpit and saddle
    Wheels are DT350 rear laced to Duroc 40 rim / front SON dynamo hub laced to Duroc 40 rim
    WTB Ranger 27.5x3.0 Light/Fast carcass
    KLite dynamo headlight and Sinewave USB charger

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    Upcoming replacements are:

    Rockshox SID RLC 120mm boost fork
    Boost SON hub laced to...possibly 29er rims...not sure yet
    Maxxis Rekon+ 27.5x2.8 front / Ikon+ 2.8 rear
    Probably replacing the KLite with a Sinewave Beacon mounted on the fork crown.

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    My Verhauen is getting its suspension fork today. I'm excited to see how it changes its singletrack characteristics. Right now, it's an absolute jackhammer on singletrack. The Salsa Cutthroat fork is a 45mm offset, 100mm travel length XC fork. The Verhauen is designed for a 120mm 51mm offset fork. I'm hoping having the correct fork geometry is going to make the bike more pleasant on singletrack.

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    I am patiently waiting for the VH frames coming back in stock. Started collecting parts and hope to have a bike built before the end of summer!! Some sweet looking bikes in this thread!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtbyte View Post
    So I joined the dark side and added a squishy front end, and a dropper post (I can not believe I just typed that). What's next GEARS? Hell no, never. HAHAHAHAHA

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    Is that dropper routed internally?

    Any close ups of... whatever happens down at the bottom bracket with the routing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky View Post
    Is that dropper routed internally?

    Any close ups of... whatever happens down at the bottom bracket with the routing?
    All of the cables, rear brake, der (if you you are into that kind of thing) and dropper are internally routed on the mooseknuckle. The dropper cable is internal all the way from the down tube to the dropper. The down tube and seat tube has a hole on the inside where the cable goes.
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    Just a little mooseknuckle porn while taking a break near the AT crossing at Three Forks in North GA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhopton View Post
    Just a little mooseknuckle porn while taking a break near the AT crossing at Three Forks in North GA.

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    Nox Teocalli / I9 hubs
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    Does anybody have the weight of a Mooseknuckle frame? Looking at a small or medium perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_kyle View Post
    My Verhauen is getting its suspension fork today. I'm excited to see how it changes its singletrack characteristics. Right now, it's an absolute jackhammer on singletrack. The Salsa Cutthroat fork is a 45mm offset, 100mm travel length XC fork. The Verhauen is designed for a 120mm 51mm offset fork. I'm hoping having the correct fork geometry is going to make the bike more pleasant on singletrack.
    A little update. The Salsa carbon fork was swapped out for a 120mm SID RLC and I replaced the 27.5x3.0 WTB Rangers with 27.5x2.8 Maxxis Rekon+/Ikon+ combo. These tires measure 2.65", which everyone hates; but I love. The fork and the skinnier tires really changed the ride characteristics of the VerHauen. It handles almost like a XC hardtail now.

    Update part deux: I'm building up a new wheelset. Nextie 40mm internal rims laced to DT Swiss 240 hubs and will run a Maxxis Rekon 29x2.6 front and Bontrager XR2 Team 29x2.6 rear. I'm excited to see how the bike feels with a lighter wheelset and tires and big 29er rollers.

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    Here's a quick pic:
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    Very nice!

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    Sooooo I bought a Jabber in 2016, set it up SS and was pretty stoked on it for the most part. Unfortunately I found a crack in the seat tube about 2 months ago so it didn't live a very long life.....

    Anyone else have issues with 2016 frames cracking? This was the newer frame with boost spacing and ability to run 27+, 29 or 29+.

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    Just built up a 2018 VerHauen frame. Fun bike and looks great, but I'm having chainstay clearance issues on the drive side (with multiple cranks). Current iteration clears most of the time, but contacts when pushing hard up a climb. And yes, I'm using the correct number of BB spacers (none).

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    Anyone want to do some measuring for me? Still trying to work out this crank issue. My X01 cranks are 168 q factor (I measured) and have 138mm of clearance between the arms with the boots installed (measured at the tip). The drive side arm contacted the chainstay in this configuration, which Tom tells me should not happen. With the boots removed, it cleared in the stand, but rubbed when pedaling. Praxis cranks pictured above are 172 q factor and have 142mm clearance between the arms without boots. They rub under heavy torque, but are fine under light loads. My frame measures 136mm wide across the chainstays at the pedals (175mm cranks).

    Measurements I'm looking for:
    - Anyone: crank model and arm clearance between the inner surfaces at the tip of the arm (trying to find a crankset that might fit)
    - 2018 VerHauen owners: frame width measured across the chainstays at the pedals on a 175mm crank (should tell me if my frame is out of spec)

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    Quote Originally Posted by coleam View Post
    Anyone want to do some measuring for me? Still trying to work out this crank issue. My X01 cranks are 168 q factor (I measured) and have 138mm of clearance between the arms with the boots installed (measured at the tip). The drive side arm contacted the chainstay in this configuration, which Tom tells me should not happen. With the boots removed, it cleared in the stand, but rubbed when pedaling. Praxis cranks pictured above are 172 q factor and have 142mm clearance between the arms without boots. They rub under heavy torque, but are fine under light loads. My frame measures 136mm wide across the chainstays at the pedals (175mm cranks).

    Measurements I'm looking for:
    - Anyone: crank model and arm clearance between the inner surfaces at the tip of the arm (trying to find a crankset that might fit)
    - 2018 VerHauen owners: frame width measured across the chainstays at the pedals on a 175mm crank (should tell me if my frame is out of spec)
    Hey, Here's what I have:

    Small, 2018 VerHauen, 170mm XT M8000 cranks.

    6mm of clearance from the driveside crankarm end to the chainstay, 102mm inside measurment from chainstay to chainstay at the pedal spindal, with the crankarm parallel to the chainstay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_kyle View Post
    Hey, Here's what I have:

    Small, 2018 VerHauen, 170mm XT M8000 cranks.

    6mm of clearance from the driveside crankarm end to the chainstay, 102mm inside measurment from chainstay to chainstay at the pedal spindal, with the crankarm parallel to the chainstay.
    Thanks! That sounds about the same as mine - I just measured inside the chainstays at the pedal spindle and got 102.9mm with 175mm cranks. Seems like I may just be picking the wrong cranks then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coleam View Post
    Thanks! That sounds about the same as mine - I just measured inside the chainstays at the pedal spindle and got 102.9mm with 175mm cranks. Seems like I may just be picking the wrong cranks then.
    I'm short and run 170mm cranks on everything. 175mm is pretty standard; but your pic looks like there are 2mm of clearance if that. I remember some cranks used to have a 1mm big washer that spaced the drive-side crank arm out a bit; but that was several years ago. Not sure if that is applicable to your case or not.

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    Good news, Legion, I'll be selling my '18 VerHauen frame in the near future...because I have an Optimus Ti on order. Pretty excited to shed about 1lb from the frame and ride a Ti mtb.

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    Radimus reports please!
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    Mrs. V is from 2007 and is in 4th or 5th iteration. Tonight I just installed some drops, shorty stem and brake levers. I had to ground down the mtb shifter a bit to get it over the curve but I'm pretty stoked with how she turned out. Mostly built with spare parts, sans surly fork (installed last year) and what I installed today. She'll see mostly gravel and dirt roads.

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    Just picked this VerHauen frame up from Ebay. The ad said it had some nicks and scrapes so I bought it thinking I would blast it and powder coat it matte black.

    However, when it arrived there was 1 small nick on the top of headtube that probably won't be seen once the headset is installed. I don't even like the color but it's in such good shape I can't justify the change.

    Will be building it up as a lightweight single speed for hilly trails.

    Here it is on the scale - size large = 2.26 Kg.
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    FFS I don't need another frame to build up but this just popped up on my local forum (In eastern europe so rarer than hens teeth)!

    size L verhauen frame for 400 bucks...somebody please tell me it would be too long for me anyway at five foot ten. Already have a fisticuff that I love but wouldn't mind another fat tire bike, how big could I go in 27.5+ with one of these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmctav23 View Post
    FFS I don't need another frame to build up but this just popped up on my local forum (In eastern europe so rarer than hens teeth)!

    size L verhauen frame for 400 bucks...somebody please tell me it would be too long for me anyway at five foot ten. Already have a fisticuff that I love but wouldn't mind another fat tire bike, how big could I go in 27.5+ with one of these?

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    Great find. I'm shorter than you and ride a Large. No worries. Use a stem that feels comfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Great find. I'm shorter than you and ride a Large. No worries. Use a stem that feels comfortable.
    Enabler! And I just found out the same guy is selling a Whiskey #9 fork...just shut up and take my money!

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    I'm 5'9" and have had a small Jaberwocky and a medium Verhauen. Some other guys I ride with that are closer to six feet also prefer the small. In my opinion your probably right on for a medium and a large might feel a bit big.
    Pedal through it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteitz View Post
    I'm 5'9" and have had a small Jaberwocky and a medium Verhauen. Some other guys I ride with that are closer to six feet also prefer the small. In my opinion your probably right on for a medium and a large might feel a bit big.
    Curious as to what size stem you use. Also, do you get out of the saddle much on climbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Curious as to what size stem you use. Also, do you get out of the saddle much on climbs?

    On the small I ran a 70mm and on my medium a 50mm. Even with the shorter stem the bike just still felt long. But I'll and that I have a shorter inseam and long torso.
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    can anybody who's had the first-gen Verhauen shed light on the rear end tire clearance? This old post from the Vassago insta indicates that they can squeeze 29+ in but I'm not that familiar with the model history to know if all of them can...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmctav23 View Post
    can anybody who's had the first-gen Verhauen shed light on the rear end tire clearance? This old post from the Vassago insta indicates that they can squeeze 29+ in but I'm not that familiar with the model history to know if all of them can...

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    My first gen VeHauen maxed out at a 2.35 with the sliders all the way forward. I preferred making having the chain stays as short as possible so I can't really speak to what would fit with e them pushed back a bit but it seems like a full 3.0 could be a stretch.

    I know all the last gen VeHauens and Jabberwockys however do clear a 3.0. I'd guess that's what this is a photo of, but i could be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coleam View Post
    Anyone want to do some measuring for me? Still trying to work out this crank issue. My X01 cranks are 168 q factor (I measured) and have 138mm of clearance between the arms with the boots installed (measured at the tip). The drive side arm contacted the chainstay in this configuration, which Tom tells me should not happen. With the boots removed, it cleared in the stand, but rubbed when pedaling. Praxis cranks pictured above are 172 q factor and have 142mm clearance between the arms without boots. They rub under heavy torque, but are fine under light loads. My frame measures 136mm wide across the chainstays at the pedals (175mm cranks).

    Measurements I'm looking for:
    - Anyone: crank model and arm clearance between the inner surfaces at the tip of the arm (trying to find a crankset that might fit)
    - 2018 VerHauen owners: frame width measured across the chainstays at the pedals on a 175mm crank (should tell me if my frame is out of spec)
    Iím having same issue with my 2018 verhaunen Xx1 Eagle q168 crankset. Driveside hits under flex/load. Non driveside plenty of clearance. I was told another driveside spacer will bind the bearings. They even called sram and everything is in spec crank/bb wise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruckus99ss View Post
    Iím having same issue with my 2018 verhaunen Xx1 Eagle q168 crankset. Driveside hits under flex/load. Non driveside plenty of clearance. I was told another driveside spacer will bind the bearings. They even called sram and everything is in spec crank/bb wise
    My solution ended up being the RF Turbine cranks. Not sure what spindle length I have since I got them used and the spot where the length was printed has been rubbed off, but it's either the 134 or 136 length based on the BB width (with spacers). I have it measured at 99mm, which is in spec for both. They claim that you should be running only one drive side spacer on a 73mm BB shell, but I'm running two (both drive side to space the arms evenly off the chainstays) and it's working fine. Torqued the cranks to spec and could still get about a quarter turn on the preload ring, so it's not too tight. Not sure that it would work for the NEXT cranksets since they have ~7mm less arm clearance than the Turbines. Could maybe get away with SixC cranks, which have ~4mm less clearance, but I think that might be tight. Or just run a longer spindle (143/149mm) and use more spacers.

    It's a little strange, but it works. I wonder if there was a run of frames that had the BB shell welded on a few mm off - I've checked my frame alignment, and it's straight.

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    Follow up on my SS build. Final weight for a large is 18.8 lbs. Wanted to ride it tomorrow but the brakes need to be bled. Hopefully next week if there isn't snow.
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    Still love the Fisticuff for all-season good times

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    Love my Verhauen 2014 in Feuerspucken Red
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    what's up with the Jabber these days? are they discontinued? i still have my latest 2017? iteration and love it.
    i will not yield to DH traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jct View Post
    what's up with the Jabber these days? are they discontinued? i still have my latest 2017? iteration and love it.
    It seems so, the current available frames are the Mooseknuckle, Radimus, and Optimus. I enjoy my classic bandersnatch but would to get my hands on a Jabber for the SS capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Train Wreck View Post
    It seems so, the current available frames are the Mooseknuckle, Radimus, and Optimus. I enjoy my classic bandersnatch but would to get my hands on a Jabber for the SS capability.
    cool. just got some Ti replacement slider bolts from Vassago for my jabber. supposedly tighter tolerance and deeper pocket. now to extract the rounded one.
    i will not yield to DH traffic.

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    Selling my 2017 Jabberwocky frame, 29+ capable with stealth dropper routing.

    Size medium.

    https://classifieds.mtbr.com/showpro...product=116603

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