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    Sette Razzo Frame

    Anyone know about these frames? Specs,geometry? Who makes them? Interesting looking frame for the money.


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    If I had to guess I'd say that's a re-badged/slightly modified Niner EMD. Same DT, etc. It would be nice to have some specifics, though.

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    It doesnt look anything like an air9 frame.
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    Looks like a steep HTA. I'm curious to see what kind of geo numbers they came up with.

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    I think it DOES look like an AIR or EMD. That bent downtube certainly convinced me.

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    Looks to me like there is more of the TT and DT welded together on this frame than on the Air9.

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    The EMD doesn't have a disc brake brace on it.Both made of 7005.I bet you they came from the same factory.

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    when/if my cobia breaks, depending on cash flow at the time this frame will get a look from me. the price is hard to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    The EMD doesn't have a disc brake brace on it.Both made of 7005.I bet you they came from the same factory.
    Yep. Niner's are one of the most overpriced frames around. Vassago is a close second. Pretty run of the mill frames. $250 is about right for frames of that quality.

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    The cable guides have different placings,
    the brake brace
    disk mount
    seat tube gusset
    dropouts
    rear stays
    BB placement



    Are ALL different.

    It has a bent downtube, that doesn`t make it a re-badged niner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fux
    The cable guides have different placings,
    the brake brace
    disk mount
    seat tube gusset
    dropouts
    rear stays
    BB placement



    Are ALL different.

    It has a bent downtube, that doesn`t make it a re-badged niner.
    Specialized has a bent downtube. Could this be a rebadged Specialized
    The welds look kinda sloppy to me, at least from what I can see. Kinda looks like toothpaste at the headtube junctions. IMHO anyway. Probably rides great though. For a frame made from 7005. It is certainly light - - I think it is even lighter than an EMD if the geometry for an 18 matches the geometry of a Niner.
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    I'm looking to build a 1x9 for cheap.This frame might do the trick.I'll be running a 09 Reba set at 100mm.I'll need to know a bit more about the geometry before buying it. It does seem light,but will it hold up?Probably as good as a Fisher or Niner? I like the fact that it's polished,no more paint chips.If PP would have listed the specs I think they would have sold some of these by now.

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    You could build a whole bike for less than $1000.

    This 29er build kit shows up on the same page.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...&hprice=739.98
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    Quote Originally Posted by gthcarolina
    This 29er build kit shows up on the same page.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...&hprice=739.98
    You would still need a fork

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    I've got everything but a frame.The parts are calling me to the garage to build them.My wife is calling me in the other direction. I can't let these parts suffer and not go to good use.

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    I've got the fork

    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    You would still need a fork
    And the wheels. I'm just wondering how those other parts stand up. I already have a set of BB7 brakes and I'm familiar with them.

    So what I really need is for someone to offer a frame and parts kit that doesn't include wheels or a fork (or a headset, actually). And I want the frame to take a 31.6 seatpost.

    Oh, and I want it to be titanium. Not really a lot to ask, is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gthcarolina
    And the wheels. I'm just wondering how those other parts stand up. I already have a set of BB7 brakes and I'm familiar with them.

    *snip*
    Actually it does come with wheels. I think most of it is decent stuff... not especially light, but still good enough to stand up to good use.
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    Okay, it is definitely not a Niner! (courtesy pic for referance)

    I would venture to say that anybody with a design and the cash could get a Chinese manufacturing facility to make you as many of those Sette frames as you want. That's not far from the mark here, I'd wager. By the way, the Sette is shown sans rear derailluer hangar. I hope that is included at that bargain basement price.
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    What is the difference between a Taiwan frame or a Chinese one? Some would say that Taiwan is part of China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    What is the difference between a Taiwan frame or a Chinese one? Some would say that Taiwan is part of China.
    Oh no...not this argument again.

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    Some would say that Taiwan is part of China
    Some would say that Mexico was in the US....
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    I guess that depends on which side of Mao you stand on

    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    What is the difference between a Taiwan frame or a Chinese one? Some would say that Taiwan is part of China.
    Since 1950, anyway.

    I think you can also count on better human rights and less child-labor in Taiwan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    Only available in 53cm though. Which is somewhere between midget and manlet on the size scale.

    Off-brand score of a lifetime were those Santa Cruz Chamelons that Jenson USA had with different graphics. I still have that frame. Great bike. Great deal.

    I'm interested to see how the economy pans out. Could see some really great deals on 2009 stock bikes at the LBS if they are not able to move inventory. In the last recession of 02-03, there were alot of liquidations of wholesalers, Supergo and Jenson picked up the excess inventory and sold components and OEM stuff for a song!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    Anyone know about these frames? Specs,geometry? Who makes them? Interesting looking frame for the money.


    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/188...tail-Frame.htm
    Probably best to ask Pricepoint those questions. Specifically the spec's and such.

    Agree it's an interesting frame. Might be a purchase to get the wife a new bike for this year. Especially since it is so cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apacherider
    Yep. Niner's are one of the most overpriced frames around. Vassago is a close second. Pretty run of the mill frames. $250 is about right for frames of that quality.
    Vassago's not nearly as pricey as niner. $479 for a Bandersnatch, while considerably more than I remember them selling for, still isn't bad. It's a nice frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    hybrid not mtb 29er

    would only consider it for offroad dropbar projects (monstercross, touring etc, if the tyre clearance is there)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gthcarolina
    This 29er build kit shows up on the same page.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...&hprice=739.98
    That's a decent package, but the wheels...yikes! Nearly 2700 g. Can't expect too light at that price for all of that stuff.
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    looks pretty nice

    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    Anyone know about these frames? Specs,geometry? Who makes them? Interesting looking frame for the money.


    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/188...tail-Frame.htm
    I shoulda got that instead of the motobecane fantom 29er. My bike would have been a pound and a half lighter, and probably wouldn't have shaken my teeth out as much.

    I really like the polished alu.

    Also, isn't the Air9 scandium?

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    That BeOne is a hybrid indeed. They called it an MTB but it's a fat tire hybrid. I would have gotten it if it had canti mounts. For a monstercrosser build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    I shoulda got that instead of the motobecane fantom 29er. My bike would have been a pound and a half lighter, and probably wouldn't have shaken my teeth out as much.
    Hmmmm...........not so much, most likely. This Sette is made from 7000 series Aluminum, which is stiffer and generally yeilds a stiffer ride. That, of course, may not apply here, but the chances are higher that it will ride stiff.

    I really like the polished alu.
    More than likely ball burnished. It is a cheaper method of making aluminum look polished.

    Also, isn't the Air9 scandium?
    Yes, but the comparison was to Niner's E.M.D.9, which is 7005 aluminum. The Sette frame is also 7005 Al.
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    It looks to my eye like the latest generation Voodoo Aizan - similar welds, braces and stays - even the derailleur hanger bolts are in the same location. They probably just carried the Aizan's 7005 rear triangle to the rest of the frame and gave it a bent downtube. All speculation of course, but it looks pretty similar to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southy
    It looks to my eye like the latest generation Voodoo Aizan - similar welds, braces and stays - even the derailleur hanger bolts are in the same location. They probably just carried the Aizan's 7005 rear triangle to the rest of the frame and gave it a bent downtube. All speculation of course, but it looks pretty similar to me.
    I thought it looked like a VooDoo as well, but it isn't identical, which would lead me to believe that it might be made in the same factory, but that is purely speculative. For all I know it could have been welded up anywhere by any factory.

    Doesn't really matter either.

    As an earlier poster stated, the questions need to be asked of Price Point, and then we may get the straight scoop. Until then, we're just a bunch of wankers that should be out riding.
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    I would love to be out riding.The only problem is I'm lacking my frame.I need to choose soon.My choices are

    On One $275
    Razzo $249
    KM $400ish
    Dambala $400ish

    I'm looking for a 24.5 TT 27.2 SP and the best fit for a 09 Reba set at 100mm I'm not changing it to 80 either.I'm going to running it 1x9I'm 240lbs.I would like to stay away from slotted and moving dropouts.I wanted to stay under 300.I've been scanning E-Bay and the Net.Recommendations welcome!

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    24.5" TT = look at the Astrix Rook, size L. You can order one from Universal Cycles using the VIP code and it'll be roughly $365ish.

    Works great with a 100mm fork too.
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    Universal doesn't have any.I do like this frame and would love to find one.

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    Some geometry info.......

    18 in eff tt 23.6. 20in 24.4in

    HA 71.5
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    BB 68MM
    FORK 80 OR 100
    SEAT POST 27mm



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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    Universal doesn't have any.I do like this frame and would love to find one.
    Find an online retailer that does and see if they price-match. That's how I got my Karate Monkey for $50 cheaper.
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    Hard to read, but the info is all there. An email from Pricepoint today.

    Razzo 29er

    Size (Seat Tube Length)
    Small (16"/41cm)
    Medium (18"/46cm)
    Large (20"/51cm)
    X-Large (22"/56cm)

    Effective Top Tube Length
    23.2"/59cm
    23.6"/60cm
    24.4"/62cm
    25.1"/64cm

    Actual Top Tube Length
    57cm
    58cm
    60cm
    62cm

    Stand Over Height
    75.3cm
    78.7cm
    82.5cm
    86.3cm

    Head Tube Length
    80mm
    90mm
    110mm
    130mm

    Head Tube Angle
    71.5 degrees
    71.5 degrees
    71.5 degrees
    71.5 degrees

    Seat Tube Angle
    74 degrees
    74 degrees
    74 degrees
    74 degrees

    Wheel Base
    108.1cm
    1082cm
    110.2cm
    112.1cm

    Chainstay Length
    45cm
    45cm
    45cm
    45cm

    Bottom Bracket Height
    12.8cm
    12.8cm
    12.8cm
    12.8cm

    Bottom Bracket Width
    68mm
    68mm
    68mm
    68mm

    Bottom Bracket Thread
    English
    English
    English
    English

    Seat Post Diameter
    27.2mm
    27.2mm
    27.2mm
    27.2mm

    Seat Clamp Diameter
    31.8mm
    31.8mm
    31.8mm
    31.8mm

    Front Derailleur Clamp Diameter
    31.8mm
    31.8mm
    31.8mm
    31.8mm

    Maximum Tire Width
    2.5"
    2.5"
    2.5"
    2.5"

    Recommended Fork Travel
    80mm-100mm
    80mm-100mm
    80mm-100mm
    80mm-100mm

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    New question here. bottom bracket height

    I hope the stated bottom bracket height is a type-o. 12.8cm would make it diffecult to pedal. maybe 12.8in?

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    I like that geometry - except the BB will have some pedals strikes.
    This looks like this years Zion frame (in that it is cheap). yum! Nice long top tubes.
    The price sure is nice. It would be even better if it was steel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Okay, it is definitely not a Niner! (courtesy pic for referance)

    I would venture to say that anybody with a design and the cash could get a Chinese manufacturing facility to make you as many of those Sette frames as you want. That's not far from the mark here, I'd wager. By the way, the Sette is shown sans rear derailluer hangar. I hope that is included at that bargain basement price.
    No hanger included.

    Email from PricePoint:
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    They do not come with a derailleur hanger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbchess
    I like that geometry - except the BB will have some pedals strikes.
    This looks like this years Zion frame (in that it is cheap). yum! Nice long top tubes.
    The price sure is nice. It would be even better if it was steel!
    I thought they stopped making Zion frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadCowRider
    No hanger included.

    Email from PricePoint:
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    They do not come with a derailleur hanger.

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    No derailleur hanger? I don't get it. I didn't think this was a singlespeed frame.

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    I'm thinking of going with a monkey. I think it's my safest bet.I loved my old one,I know it fits,it has many options and the company has been around for a few years. What happenes 2 years down the road when I snap the thing in half? What kind of warranty do they have? It's hard to trust frames at my weight.I haven't heard of to many cracked Monkey frames. It doesn't look like you can fit a 2.5 either looking at the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    No derailleur hanger? I don't get it. I didn't think this was a singlespeed frame.
    The jist I got from them was that this frame is nearly at cost and that the hangar can not be included at that price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erPilot
    ........ It doesn't look like you can fit a 2.5 either looking at the picture.
    And the 68mm bottom braket shell width would also suggest that clearances may be tight on this frame.
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    Help me understand this . What hanger do I need to buy? I have to buy a hanger to to get this frame going? Or do I just have to buy one as a replacement? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by gthcarolina
    This 29er build kit shows up on the same page.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail.htm...&hprice=739.98
    or buy this bike for about 200$ more... and get a reba SL, and avid juicy 7's ... but you'd prob need some other bits... but could sell the frame and recoupe some of your money...
    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...liff29team.htm

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    I have a build kit. my question is does the frame have a derailleur hanger? if not where do I get one?

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    I think the Sette frame looks more like the Flite 29er from a couple years back but that's just me. I don't have any specs on it, but that was my first thought when I saw the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patada
    Help me understand this . What hanger do I need to buy? I have to buy a hanger to to get this frame going? Or do I just have to buy one as a replacement? Thanks
    Interestingly the frame shows up with a derailluer hangar on the site now. I suppose they figured out it would be rather cheesy to sell the hangar separately.
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    Where's the hangar? Here it is.

    The Razzo does come with a hangar. Got the frame in yesterday. Pretty finish if you ask me.



    It also comes with a seatpost clamp which they do not picture. Oh and bubble wrap... wait, did I mention a frame box? All not pictured. I've purchased a lot of stuff from pricepoint and from my experience they know what they're doing.

    I've got more pictures of the Razzo on my blog, here.

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    I visited your blog Jery - and i gotta say I'd be a bit scared with the look of the welds on that frame. Not the most visually pleasing welds - but if they hold I guess that's all that matters. would make me a tad nervous though.

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    Agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I visited your blog Jery - and i gotta say I'd be a bit scared with the look of the welds on that frame. Not the most visually pleasing welds - but if they hold I guess that's all that matters. would make me a tad nervous though.
    Not visually pleasing. I'm 215 lbs so I'll put it through some abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I visited your blog Jery - and i gotta say I'd be a bit scared with the look of the welds on that frame. Not the most visually pleasing welds - but if they hold I guess that's all that matters. would make me a tad nervous though.
    I think the welds look pretty strong. I hope it is fully penetrated. I have seen worse (my 1st bike)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I visited your blog Jery - and i gotta say I'd be a bit scared with the look of the welds on that frame. Not the most visually pleasing welds - but if they hold I guess that's all that matters. would make me a tad nervous though.
    Looks about the same as a frame I got from the Canadian distributor Asama. Beat it up for a couple of years and still no probs.

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    looks like it's a thick coat of paint over the welds which hides em a bit...

    look forward to hearing how it rides... inexpensive 29er frames are a good thing
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    Nice deal but for the extra $50-70 I'd rather buy an Origin 8 Scout in Chro-Mo. I don't destroy steel as often as aluminum.

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    Hey guys, i just bought the Razzo frame from pricepoint and it does come with the rear hanger just so you know.

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    News flash: hanger update

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    The jist I got from them was that this frame is nearly at cost and that the hangar can not be included at that price.
    I got a followup email from Pricepoint this evening. Apparently, the frame does come with a hanger. This supported by locorider2008 post below.
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    My mistake, I had mistakenly informed you that the Razzo frame didn’t come with a derailleur hanger; it actually does come with a derailleur hanger and can be set up as a geared bike.

    Sorry for any confusion.

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    ...when did origin 8 scout goto chromo?... (just saw it)... my shop still has the alu versions... the chain stays are NICE on the alu version
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadCowRider
    I got a followup email from Pricepoint this evening. Apparently, the frame does come with a hanger. This supported by locorider2008 post below.
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    My mistake, I had mistakenly informed you that the Razzo frame didn’t come with a derailleur hanger; it actually does come with a derailleur hanger and can be set up as a geared bike.

    Sorry for any confusion.

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    Yup. I figured that part out. (See post #53)

    Thanks for the confirmation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donalson
    ...when did origin 8 scout goto chromo?... (just saw it)... my shop still has the alu versions... the chain stays are NICE on the alu version
    Actually, it always has been steel. The Alu version came out later.



    Here's the original prototype shown at 2006 Interbike. I wish they would have stuck with this design actually. Oh yeah, it's steel, by the way.
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    Sette Razzo frame vs....New 2009 Motobecane Outcast29 w/sliding disc tabs and optional derailleur hanger. (check bikeisland.com or for a better look, check bikeisland's ebay site. mmmmm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr
    Sette Razzo frame vs....New 2009 Motobecane Outcast29 w/sliding disc tabs and optional derailleur hanger. (check bikeisland.com or for a better look, check bikeisland's ebay site. mmmmm.
    What do you guys think of this comparison?
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    I don't know about the Motobecane, but I can tell you my Windsor welds look substantially better than those show in the picture on the Sette. Not saying the Windsor is a better frame but the welds look better. Also, my experience has been that two bolt hangers break really easy vs single bolt hangers.

    Just some observations...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    I don't know about the Motobecane, but I can tell you my Windsor welds look substantially better than those show in the picture on the Sette. Not saying the Windsor is a better frame but the welds look better. Also, my experience has been that two bolt hangers break really easy vs single bolt hangers.

    Just some observations...
    The new Moto Outcast29 hasn't been out that long, so I guess until more people have one this comparison will remain up in the air. I have one I got for my wife, but she doesn't ride that hard anyway,(towpaths,etc.), so I guess I can't help much either. I can tell you that the sliding disc tab & the derailleur hanger are very beefy and appear to be very strong.
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    I would expect the Motobecane welds to be good since Kinesis welds those frames up. My Windsor is actually made in China and the welds aren't perfect...but they aren't toothpasty either.

    The Razzo appears to be significantly lighter though (18" is 1470grams vs 19" Moto at 2223), thats about 1.5lbs. So I guess time will tell.

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    Nice frame. I have some spare parts laying around... humm perhaps this frame will make a nice home for them.

    I would suggest picking up at least one spare rear der hanger from Price Point. House brand frames don't have good long term support for small parts. I learned this lesson when my Nashbar frame needed a new rear der hanger, they said they were out for good stock wise.
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    hmmm those welds are not that pretty. any more pics anyone?
    I like to see some deatils around the seatstay and/or chainstay to the front triangle.
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    Second that...

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    I would expect the Motobecane welds to be good since Kinesis welds those frames up. My Windsor is actually made in China and the welds aren't perfect...but they aren't toothpasty either.

    The Razzo appears to be significantly lighter though (18" is 1470grams vs 19" Moto at 2223), thats about 1.5lbs. So I guess time will tell.
    my Motobecane welds are okay, but there are some boogers in there. Not really 'high art'

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbchess
    hmmm those welds are not that pretty. any more pics anyone?
    I like to see some deatils around the seatstay and/or chainstay to the front triangle.
    I second this request for more pictures. I know there are always bad apples when it comes to frames, so I am hoping someone else has bought one with better aesthetics.

    I would love to have an excuse to buy one of these cause I am loving that weight for the price. Not super crazy bout that chrome paint though....which means this could also double as my introduction into frame painting.

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    This is what mine look like:




    linky to the rest of the frame pictures.

    Built it up as a SS with parts bin stuff.



    Build pictures here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowStorm
    Not super crazy bout that chrome paint though....which means this could also double as my introduction into frame painting.
    This frame is polished aluminum not paint. I wouldn't like chrome paint either. Just got mine as well, this frame is sick light!

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    Those that own the Sette, how tall are you and what size frame did you pick?

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    I'm 5"10" and got the 18" frame. I just got it built and will posts some pics. The complete bike came out really nice.

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    Awesome thanks!!!

    I'm 6' with a 34" inseam, I guess I'd go with the 20"/large.

    Looking forward to seeing the pics, what fork did you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helexia23
    Awesome thanks!!!

    I'm 6' with a 34" inseam, I guess I'd go with the 20"/large.

    Looking forward to seeing the pics, what fork did you use?
    That's probably a safe bet, and even safer if your current bike has a similar ETT (24.4")

    But, 6' with a 34" inseam means you have a slightly longish legs and therefore a shorter torso. If you also have shorter arms then you might feel a bit stretched out, but that also depends on your preference for position. Just trying to point out the possible variables.

    I myself am 6' .5" with a 34" inseam and I ride an Inbred with a 24.4" ETT. After testing lots of cockpit setups I settled on 2 options that work well: 110mm stem with a 17deg Salsa bar and a 75mm stem with a riser bar. Both have a similar reach. Hope that helps

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    Here's my finished product. I used the Reba SL fork. It weighs 24lbs with mostly X7 and Stylo cranks and Mavic TN719 wheelset.
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    Thanks for great info on this frame guys. I can't wait to hear some riding evals.
    Anyone check accuracy of the frame weight ? 3.25 for a medium from the website.
    I'm gunna pickup on this deal. Now if I can find some moots bolt on canti brake hangers.
    Btw, I really like the idea of the 5 year warranty Sette is offering on their products.
    Beats the heck out of Voodoo and many other 3 year warranty. Also, they responded quickly and nicely to my emails. Some of the more reasonably price frame manufacturers aren't nearly so expedient.
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    I wonder if you can remove the logo and graphics of the frame?

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    This bike is legit, I've ridden it a lot since I posted the last pic. Very fast and agile for a 29er. The frame weight is accurate too, so with enough cash it can rival anything out there right now.

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    If they made a steel version I might have been interested.

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    Howdy! I just ordered one of these. Any build issues? Everyone still happy with theirs? And, do the decals come off?

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    Feb. 28, Sycamore Canyon Trail, Riverside, CA

    I've had a few rides on mine as a rigid SS. It's very nice and light... I likey! I think my build was 22 lbs without using light parts other than the 200 gram saddle and the carbon fork. Wheelset are WTB Laserdiscs with formula hubs and tires are worn out Rampage/Ignitor. SS kit was from Performance (good bang for the buck by the way).

    No build problems.

    Decals do not come off, I've checked.

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    Thanks! I should be getting mine monday. I am going for a LIGHT build. I will post pics when it is done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruffrider
    This bike is legit, I've ridden it a lot since I posted the last pic. Very fast and agile for a 29er. The frame weight is accurate too, so with enough cash it can rival anything out there right now.
    Wanted to know about front derailluer of your build. Are you using a high clamp dual pull X.7?

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    I used an X.7 Low clamp Dual pull. It appeared that a high clamp might interfere with the lower bottle cage mount. So far the bike rides great and there were no build issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeryang

    Feb. 28, Sycamore Canyon Trail, Riverside, CA

    I've had a few rides on mine as a rigid SS. It's very nice and light... I likey! I think my build was 22 lbs without using light parts other than the 200 gram saddle and the carbon fork. Wheelset are WTB Laserdiscs with formula hubs and tires are worn out Rampage/Ignitor. SS kit was from Performance (good bang for the buck by the way).

    No build problems.

    Decals do not come off, I've checked.
    Read your excellent review on the carboncycle carbon fork.. I've should have read it earlier before buying WB carbon fork. I could have saved another $100 odd... bummers.

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    anyone got a pic of the 20" frame yet?

    *edit*
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    Decent frame for the money. I applaud them for keeping it light-ish AND for somebody actually publishing the weight!

    My question is how come peeps are always trying to compare this cheaper stuff to more expensive brands? Is it for the "look at me I got the same thing and paid less than you" aspect? And then they get all huffy (hey I made a bike pun!) when folks make fun of their comparisons to higher end hardware...

    I'm happy that 29ers are finally becoming a "bargain basement" item. The boutique stuff is sure nice for the connoisseurs, but we need the lower level market to keep the bike biz in business!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyglass
    Read your excellent review on the carboncycle carbon fork.. I've should have read it earlier before buying WB carbon fork. I could have saved another $100 odd... bummers.
    Thanks. I'm still using it. Going back and forth between FS and Rigid is a shock to the body, but I love climbing with the CC fork. Descending... takes some getting used to.


    Quote Originally Posted by donalson
    anyone got a pic of the 20" frame yet?

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    Yes, 20" I've got a 110mm stem, which I think I might swap to a 100. Otherwise, the fit is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deme Moore
    Decent frame for the money. I applaud them for keeping it light-ish AND for somebody actually publishing the weight!

    My question is how come peeps are always trying to compare this cheaper stuff to more expensive brands? Is it for the "look at me I got the same thing and paid less than you" aspect? And then they get all huffy (hey I made a bike pun!) when folks make fun of their comparisons to higher end hardware...

    I'm happy that 29ers are finally becoming a "bargain basement" item. The boutique stuff is sure nice for the connoisseurs, but we need the lower level market to keep the bike biz in business!
    Nah... I don't think it's because of making fun. It's more of a accomplishment! It is easier to break a bank to get all the stuff you want than to do it the other way round. You should be applauding the bikers who went the extra mile to count what's worth that penny for each part and where to get a true bargain. To me bargain hunters and weight weenies are the real bikers, they basically made each dollar look like a dollar instead of depreciating it. Obviously, I 'm pretty thankful for companies such as Sette, RST, Carboncycles, some others for making bike building sensible again else I wouldn't be even restarting my biking hobby. Food for thought: Why pay more when you can get it better and cheaper? Fancy being ripped off?

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    I'll be a saint here and disclose my components though I haven't done building completely yet (Too much work!!!). I will tell you how you can build a good and cheap sub 8kg 29er (excl. tires) and where to save and get these. I use SRAM X.9 because Shimano is heavier and I don't like the motion of their rear derailluer. It's really up to you.

    1) Buy a Sette Razzo from Pricepoint ard $200 now (Offer ends this march)
    2) Get yourself a build kit, SRAM X.9 from greenfishsports that'll cost you ard $250
    3) Get a carbon cycle fork from Carboncycle themselves for ard $165 (Personally I'm using the WB rigid carbon fork from treeforbikes ard $270 but I'll suggest you go with Jerry's fork)
    4) Get a crank bros egg beater SL from treeforbikes for ard $75
    5) Get yourself Sette cockpit 1 combo from Pricepoint for ard $85
    6) Get Maddux explorer T2 wheelset from Pricepoint for ard $170 (ard 2kg a pair!)
    7) Get a good rear disc brake BB7 from Greenfishsports for $38
    8) Get speed dial 7 from Greenfishsports for ard $16
    9) Get super lite foam grips for ard $5 from Pricepoint
    10) I pampered myself with a Sette air suspension seatpost from Pricepoint ard $35.
    11) Pay someone to build all these for you for ard $100 or you can be like me and build it slowly like lego. I love my childhood... kekeke

    Basically I use only 1 rear brake, 1 rear derailluer, 1 X 44T chain ring (Haven't found a way to dismantle mine yet), 1 shifter and 1 brake lever. I don't brake in front because it's carbon fork and I prefer to concentrate in steering in front and leave the braking behind. I am a 44T user up front so I don't need the 2 extra gears. This is my personal riding style and I'm pretty sure everyone else will develop theirs. I do mostly XC so depending on your ride, you may need to fine tune your combo. Everything should add up less than 8kg and I set my target on a road bike weight at 7.7kg. See... you don't need to break a bank to build a sub 10 bike... this is a sub 8 for a 29er. If you are able to source for places cheaper and legit... don't forget to share. I wouldn't mind building another for my bro. Cheers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyglass
    Food for thought: Why pay more when you can get it better and cheaper? Fancy being ripped off?
    That's what I'm talking about. So the dude who bought a Porsche got ripped off because there's a Corvette available for half off? What about things like craftsmanship or design?

    If somebody with money sneers at the budget bikes people call them a snob. What do you call someone who finds it important to point how stupid everyone is for not pinching pennies? Not everyone's priorities are the same nor are their budgets. I'm pretty sure the guy who bought a $3000 bike didn't do so with their last penny. And if they did I applaud them for being hardcore and getting exactly what they wanted even if it gets plopped on a $300 Hyundai to drive to the trails!

    I'm not going to argue with anyone about who is or isn't a "real" biker. This kind of nonsense happens with every recreational pursuit I involve myself with. What I will say is anyone who is concerned about how much or how little they spent is missing the point.

    And no, you can't take all that money you saved with you when you die!

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    I went back and fourth over the Sette Razzo and the Niner EMD frames. The Razzo was $200 +$30 shipping. The 2009 EMD was $449 shipped.

    Even though I was on a budget, the extra $219 was worth it to me for resale value and yes a little bling factor too. But resale value, and ease of resale was a big factor for me.

    And obviously "bling" is a factor on peoples minds why else would these two comments be posted above...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyglass
    Basically I use only 1 rear brake, 1 rear derailluer, 1 X 44T chain ring (Haven't found a way to dismantle mine yet), 1 shifter and 1 brake lever. I don't brake in front because it's carbon fork and I prefer to concentrate in steering in front and leave the braking behind. I am a 44T user up front so I don't need the 2 extra gears. This is my personal riding style and I'm pretty sure everyone else will develop theirs. I do mostly XC so depending on your ride, you may need to fine tune your combo. Everything should add up less than 8kg and I set my target on a road bike weight at 7.7kg. See... you don't need to break a bank to build a sub 10 bike... this is a sub 8 for a 29er. If you are able to source for places cheaper and legit... don't forget to share. I wouldn't mind building another for my bro. Cheers...
    Why should I or anyone else take advice from someone who believes it is adequate to use just a back brake. When you apply a brake, front or rear about 75% of your weight transfers onto the front wheel. All you are going to do is skid your back wheel and rip up the trail, not to mention the lack of control using just a rear brake.

    It is obvious that you know very little about biking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deme Moore
    That's what I'm talking about. So the dude who bought a Porsche got ripped off because there's a Corvette available for half off? What about things like craftsmanship or design?

    If somebody with money sneers at the budget bikes people call them a snob. What do you call someone who finds it important to point how stupid everyone is for not pinching pennies? Not everyone's priorities are the same nor are their budgets. I'm pretty sure the guy who bought a $3000 bike didn't do so with their last penny. And if they did I applaud them for being hardcore and getting exactly what they wanted even if it gets plopped on a $300 Hyundai to drive to the trails!

    I'm not going to argue with anyone about who is or isn't a "real" biker. This kind of nonsense happens with every recreational pursuit I involve myself with. What I will say is anyone who is concerned about how much or how little they spent is missing the point.

    And no, you can't take all that money you saved with you when you die!

    That's taken out of context. Seriously, which would you buy if there's a ferrari and a hyundai and $$$ isn't a problem? Obviously, the ferrari. You need pay so much more for the technology, status and design because it's unique. I'm not saying you don't pay top dollar for it's worth. Heck.. I'll pay $10k for a bike if it's worth it. But if you compare side to side with bikes, it's pretty simple... they use almost the same components out there, their design are more or less the same and I wouldn't be surprised if they were all from the same factory in Taiwan. Unless one that has a really good design, rigidity and ultralite... really out of the norm, yes.. top $$$ for it. Truly agree, I can't take all that I saved when I die but I can sure put it to good use.

    Spend where it's worth it not blindly paying Besides this thread is about Razzo so I'm not going to go out of line

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie
    Why should I or anyone else take advice from someone who believes it is adequate to use just a back brake. When you apply a brake, front or rear about 75% of your weight transfers onto the front wheel. All you are going to do is skid your back wheel and rip up the trail, not to mention the lack of control using just a rear brake.

    It is obvious that you know very little about biking.

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    You don't have to take my advice. Everyone develops their own style, mine's that way. I can't say it'll fit you. I won't say rear braking lacks control, it's just when and how you use it. I do XC so it doesn't really matter that much whether it's front or rear. Even in DH, front is seldomly use anyway, I don't even use front during wheelies. Braking is an art by itself and seriously it's quite subjective on the usage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyglass
    You don't have to take my advice. Everyone develops their own style, mine's that way. I can't say it'll fit you. I won't say rear braking lacks control, it's just when and how you use it. I do XC so it doesn't really matter that much whether it's front or rear. Even in DH, front is seldomly use anyway, I don't even use front during wheelies. Braking is an art by itself and seriously it's quite subjective on the usage.
    I think you will find an almost complete consensus on this forum about how much more useful front brakes are. Physics aren't that subjective, and there will be people ready to jump with lots of info

    I'm not even sure you could brake strong enough for DH using just the rear brake. There's a reason they are all using 8" front rotors

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyglass
    Even in DH, front is seldomly use anyway, I don't even use front during wheelies. Braking is an art by itself and seriously it's quite subjective on the usage.
    You are not really serious! Then why do most DH bikes have 203mm. rotors on the front wheel. Some DH forks will only take an 8" rotor.

    Why would you be using your front brake when you are on your back wheel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    I think you will find an almost complete consensus on this forum about how much more useful front brakes are. Physics aren't that subjective, and there will be people ready to jump with lots of info

    I'm not even sure you could brake strong enough for DH using just the rear brake. There's a reason they are all using 8" front rotors
    Well... if it's DH, then it's a must to equip both brakes. Anyway, basically it's just my personal riding flair to be on rear. Besides braking really is subjective and it's really on how much you feel about rides. Let's drop the brake topic as it's really not going to go anywhere since everyone differs. Some like this some don't.. why not just stay in line with the thread subject.

    So what's your razzo build?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie
    You are not really serious! Then why do most DH bikes have 203mm. rotors on the front wheel. Some DH forks will only take an 8" rotor.

    Why would you be using your front brake when you are on your back wheel?

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    Well, it really depends on the trails. You do need to equip differently, besides I somehow sense you are quite critical of my riding style. Basically, I ride differently from you and our terrains we cycle are different. I can't say for sure that if I do your trails I'll go without front but nevertheless, you might find my trails useless for front. It really is different for each terrain. Besides I don't do DH now, more of a leisure XC rider.

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    Has anybody bothered to read this guys profile?

    He's just Fcuking with you...there is no way he can be serious, no one is that off center

    Sorry dude but your full of sh!t...I'll believe it when I see it, until then I'm calling you out as a phony

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyglass
    I'll be a saint here and disclose my components though I haven't done building completely yet (Too much work!!!). I will tell you how you can build a good and cheap sub 8kg 29er (excl. tires) and where to save and get these. I use SRAM X.9 because Shimano is heavier and I don't like the motion of their rear derailluer. It's really up to you.

    1) Buy a Sette Razzo from Pricepoint ard $200 now (Offer ends this march)
    2) Get yourself a build kit, SRAM X.9 from greenfishsports that'll cost you ard $250
    3) Get a carbon cycle fork from Carboncycle themselves for ard $165 (Personally I'm using the WB rigid carbon fork from treeforbikes ard $270 but I'll suggest you go with Jerry's fork)
    4) Get a crank bros egg beater SL from treeforbikes for ard $75
    5) Get yourself Sette cockpit 1 combo from Pricepoint for ard $85
    6) Get Maddux explorer T2 wheelset from Pricepoint for ard $170 (ard 2kg a pair!)
    7) Get a good rear disc brake BB7 from Greenfishsports for $38
    8) Get speed dial 7 from Greenfishsports for ard $16
    9) Get super lite foam grips for ard $5 from Pricepoint
    10) I pampered myself with a Sette air suspension seatpost from Pricepoint ard $35.
    11) Pay someone to build all these for you for ard $100 or you can be like me and build it slowly like lego. I love my childhood... kekeke
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    Cheers...

    Well, I may be a front brake kinda guy, but I sure found your parts list w/ sources to be *very* helpful. Does anyone do anything similar w/ Shimano kits at a similar price?

    Thanks for taking the time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dog.gone
    Well, I may be a front brake kinda guy, but I sure found your parts list w/ sources to be *very* helpful. Does anyone do anything similar w/ Shimano kits at a similar price?

    Thanks for taking the time!
    Well... depends on your shimano build? U like SLX, XT or XTR build kits? I personally recommend the SLX and XT mix (Mechs on XT, Cranks on SLX). You can actually skip the XTR since it's not bang for buck. Entire SLX set (incl. of SLX disc brakes but excl. hubs) should be around US $655.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyglass
    I use SRAM X.9 because Shimano is heavier and I don't like the motion of their rear derailluer. It's really up to you.
    I'm pretty sure that SRAM stuff is generally heavier than Shimano stuff... not by a lot, usually like 10-20g per piece. Feel.... matter of opinion. All SRAM bikes I have ridden feel heavy and clunky in action. I can see why folks prefer SRAM, tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    I'm pretty sure that SRAM stuff is generally heavier than Shimano stuff... not by a lot, usually like 10-20g per piece. Feel.... matter of opinion. All SRAM bikes I have ridden feel heavy and clunky in action. I can see why folks prefer SRAM, tho.
    Nah.... Shimano is heavier for their mechs but I can't say which is better than which. To me it's a matter of preference. Shimano cranks and rapid rise are good though, and their stuff looks way cooler than SRAM. To be frank, if I were given to choose when $$$ isn't an issue... I will go with Shimano without thoughts... I am shallow... I love the bling look of that X. Wahaha...

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    asa any more pics of that thing?... realy diggin it
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    Nice bike, your number is cool too.

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    So does anybody else have a ride report on the frame?

    I'm really considering buying this frame, but I just can't find many reviews online, and a lot of people that I've talked say to go with a more well known brand.

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    I just raced mine at Sea Otter. The bike was perfect. No issues. It built up with no problems at all. The frame was straight, the threads were clean and the ride is amazing. It handles a bit quicker than the Felt that I demoed, and actually feels more like my 26" bikes as far as steering, but the stability blows the 26's away. I am 5'9" and weigh 140, so I cannot say how durable it would be under a larger rider, but for me, the frame is perfect, also, mine is built up as a Single Speed, so I can't say how it works with gears. The only issue that may bug some people is that there is not a lot of clearance for big rear tires, but I didn't notice til I got into some sticky mud that rubbed the frame a bit. Other than that, if you are on a tight budget and still want something light and fast, the Razzo is the way to go.

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    Spoke to some guys from Sette this past weekend at Sea Otter and I asked about the Razzo. They said the Razzo is the number 1 selling Sette frame. The sales have been so good they're designing a 26" Razzo. I suggested a carbon version... they said it's in the works but a couple of years out. Just thought I'd pass the info along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeryang
    Spoke to some guys from Sette this past weekend at Sea Otter and I asked about the Razzo. They said the Razzo is the number 1 selling Sette frame. The sales have been so good they're designing a 26" Razzo. I suggested a carbon version... they said it's in the works but a couple of years out. Just thought I'd pass the info along.
    Thanks for the info. I'm temted to buy one, if I can get enough positive comments from some folks on how durable it will be for a 300 pound Clydesdale.(...maybe down to 260 with some hard work...) I might be temted to ride it at 300 though. That's like asking an elephant to dance in a pair of ballet shoes. ...But maybe it's that strong...
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    I just bought a Razzo frame about a week ago and started to build up yesterday. So far, I have the bottom bracket and cranks put on, I have the rear juicy 7 ready to go. I will be picking up my Croxxmax wheelset tomorrow, the Reba fork on Wednesday, and my x-9 rear der. and shifter on Friday. I should be ready to go by middle of next week. I really enjoy the polished look of the Razzo and can't wait to ride it!

    p.s. How you pronounce Sette? Is it "set-tay" or is it "set"?

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    i prob pronounce it wrong but i say "set" like setting the table...
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    what's the maximum tire clearance on the frame?

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    I read it as set-tee
    No moss...

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    I used the Microsoft speech app and it pronounces it as "Set".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgraves28
    p.s. How you pronounce Sette? Is it "set-tay" or is it "set"?

    From some on-line Italian pronunciation guide:

    "sette is pronounced like set-teh"

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    Sette is an American run company, so I doubt they use Italian pronunciation.

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    Sette Seven

    Sette is the Italian word for the number seven. Since the Sette company logo includes a number seven, I'm inclined to believe the company name pronunced in the Italian manner.

    There is a .wmv file at the following website that provides the correct pronunciation of the Italian word sette'.
    http://italian.about.com/library/chi...blnumber07.htm
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    also if you look after the 2nd t is an apostrophe... so i'd suspect it is the italian enunciation...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambda_drive
    what's the maximum tire clearance on the frame?
    I am running a Schwalbe 2.25 Racing Ralph, which as I mentioned before, gets tight when the mud gets thick, so I would not run anything larger. In dry conditions, it fits fine.

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    The guys at the booth pronounce it the Italian way.

    I have a Rampage up front and by the looks of it, I believe it can clear one in the rear, but it'd be tight.

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    I just got an email from pricepoint. The Razzo uses the same derailleur hanger as the Relic/Riddik, just in case any body wanted to know.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/167...eur-Hanger.htm

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    Razzo podiums at Sea Otter....CAT 1. Time to go ride now....

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    I am thinking of building this up as an inexpensive/beater bike. Any ideas on what a suitable yet inexpensive fork (edit; not frame, doh) for this would be? Ideally, I'd like something with 80-100mm of travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vkalia
    I am thinking of building this up as an inexpensive/beater bike. Any ideas on what a suitable yet inexpensive frame for this would be? Ideally, I'd like something with 80-100mm of travel.

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    Do you mean a fork? Probably an 08 Rock Shox Tora if you can find one. I've been looking around for one myself.
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    Sorry, I meant "fork" not "frame" - doh.

    I am trying to keep the build at under $1k, as I am doing this more for the experience and fun of DIY than anything else. As of now, I am already at around $850 using mostly X7... anything think a sub-$1k build is doable? Maybe I should start hunting on Ebay for X5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vkalia
    Sorry, I meant "fork" not "frame" - doh.

    I am trying to keep the build at under $1k, as I am doing this more for the experience and fun of DIY than anything else. As of now, I am already at around $850 using mostly X7... anything think a sub-$1k build is doable? Maybe I should start hunting on Ebay for X5.

    Vandit
    I been checking. Cheap 29er suspension forks are slim pikkins right now it appears. Toras and Rebas pop up at auction on ebay still though. I haven't got into Craigslist yet so I dunno. Haven't got into Sram drivetrain stuff either. Someone once told me X7 is better than X5 (all I know)
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    for inexpensive forks a tora is about your only option it seems ... but it'll def be on the heavy side...

    on a side note... was the geo spec's they give based on an 80mm fork?...
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    Manitou Drake is also similar in price, but I haven't heard much about it yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by vkalia
    I am thinking of building this up as an inexpensive/beater bike. Any ideas on what a suitable yet inexpensive fork (edit; not frame, doh) for this would be? Ideally, I'd like something with 80-100mm of travel.

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    Icyclesusa.com has the 2008 RockShox Tora 318 Solo Air for $200. [EDIT: This is the 26er version, not the 29er. Sorry]

    2008 RockShox Tora 318 Solo Air Suspension Shock Fork
    http://store.icyclesusa.com/shared/S...unt2=553657174
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    Quote Originally Posted by dog.gone
    Icyclesusa.com has the 2008 RockShox Tora 318 Solo Air for $200.

    2008 RockShox Tora 318 Solo Air Suspension Shock Fork
    http://store.icyclesusa.com/shared/S...unt2=553657174
    That is not the 29er version unfortunately.

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    Why not go rigid, save up a bit and get a worthy fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    That is not the 29er version unfortunately.
    Whoops. My bad. I should have paid closer attention.

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    Rear tire clearance

    2.35 Rampage with plenty of room see pic

    Budget build coming in just under $900, had some parts was trying to keep it under $800 but splurged today wanting to get it built up i.e. Thomson stem, X7 front derailleur had a XT that was one size too big and didn't want to wait for a shim. Looking forward to finishing the build and trying it out.
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    Another Pic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravy
    2.35 Rampage with plenty of room see pic
    Are you sure that's a true 2.35? Some tires run a bit on the small side.

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    Ehhhh.. I just splurged on an EMD9, need to upgrade my road bike and am seriously tempted by the Sultan 29er or the new RIP9.

    This is just an inexpensive bike I am building more for the fun of DIY rather than anything else. If going with a rigid fork, then I'll probably look for a steel bike instead. Maybe try to get a Bandersnatch on clearance or something.

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    I just noticed something.

    How come the headtube areas are different on these bikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambda_drive
    I just noticed something.

    How come the headtube areas are different on these bikes?
    Larger frame size uses a longer headtube so the down tube and top tube don't have to overlap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambda_drive
    Are you sure that's a true 2.35? Some tires run a bit on the small side.
    Nope, Rampage's are big. Shiggy measured tread width at 2.36" in this thread.

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    Anyone ever build one of these up as a 69er? Any thoughts on how this would work out?

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    would drop the BB... and you'd still have a fairly long wheelbase (compared to a "conventional" 69er... granted you COULD do it... but i doubt it'd be great... you'd be dropping the rear of it... which would rake out the front end unless you tossed on a shorter fork... and then you'd loose a lot of that BB height... i want one...
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    I'm going to get one. I'm 5'7 and have a 30 inch inseam. Will I be okay with a small?

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    Tire Clearance part duex

    Ran the Rampages with an X7 duel pull FD ran into some rubbing issues so had to switch it out to a XT FD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie
    Why should I or anyone else take advice from someone who believes it is adequate to use just a back brake. When you apply a brake, front or rear about 75% of your weight transfers onto the front wheel. All you are going to do is skid your back wheel and rip up the trail, not to mention the lack of control using just a rear brake.

    It is obvious that you know very little about biking.

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    Don't really want to derail this thread, but braking is much more dynamic than that.
    I beleive he means primarily rear brake.
    I have seen allot of people who are extremely agile that use the back brake quite allot but never skid. It is a constant changing dynamics of your balance and postion on the bike and between the front and rear brake. Over many years I have seen over compensated front braking start many a crash as the front wheel is "usually.....75% of the time" first to go. Sometimes the front brake can be applied much more than the back but the modulation between both brakes as your balance changes is the most important thing to work on.
    No need to insult your fellow posters to make your point. It pretty much nullifies any validation you have.


    Now.......back to the frame.
    I plan on ordering a 16" or 18" (honestly the numbers for both sizes look very similar) at 5'9". This will give me a little quicker handling 29er than I am currently on. (both actual tt lengths are about the same 57/58 cm but sette wtih a lil shorter wheelbase, lil tighter ha ...than my r/x....and 3lbs lighter.)
    Should make for a good riding bike at my size and for my needs......oh yea, and the price and wght makes it a fun experiment.
    Anyone know if the actual toptube measurements are accurate 57cm for small, 59cm for larger etc. Thanks.
    Also, could someone please measure center to top for me and see if the sizing is accurate for any given frame. I have seen numbers at 16 or 16.5 and 18 or 18.5 etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D1PHAM
    Anyone ever build one of these up as a 69er? Any thoughts on how this would work out?
    If you want a 69er you should start with a frame designed for a 26" rear wheel

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    I almost went with that old Supergo Access frame. Performance satisfaction warranty is beyond reproach. I could not find geometry info for starters and there were just too many good things about the new Sette Razzo.
    Sette Razzo 29er 7k series alum frame (~3.5 lbs) should be here today for 200 bucks. The thinner walled series tubing should give me a pretty lively feel (what most of the heavier hardtales frames lack. (while in theory the 7000 series might be stiffer than lower end alum and steel, once you compensate for strength by making it lighter with the thinner walls, you many times get a nice lively riding lil frame.....and for the price ?)

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    Here is a couple of pics of my friends Sette. He's got a G2 offset RP24 fork on his, it is set to 100mm. Seems pretty happy with the bike. He did mention the stingy tire clearance. He is running a Panaracer Fire XC on the rear.






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    Here is a couple of pics of my friends Sette.
    Enoch, tell your bud he doesn't have to tiewrap all the way around the toptube for the hydro line. (Just around the hydro line and the next door cable housing.)

    Thanks for great pics ! Professionally packaged it took awhile to unpack. (Packed better than my R/X 29er which was much more deniro.) Very nice and 1447grams 3.19lbs (digi alpine scale) with seat collar in a medium. I'd post pics if I can get my usb port driver to work. Nicest 200 bucks on bike stuff I have spent in awhile. Previous post thanks for advice I went ahead and snagged spare hanger. The sizing numbers are pretty much right on amazingly enough, at least for the medium. Good clearance for 2.1 Maxxis Ardents. Would probably not go with anything much larger.
    Edit: okay medium chain stay clearance at maximum point is 63.45 mm (measured with digi calipers) at the max chainstay point width for the ardent 2.15" width tire in it and at that width point so a 2.2 will probably fit but it will be tight.
    Oh yes, as previousl posted. Thread aren't ready and need to be chased/tapped, barely any there don't know about ht.
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    Enoch... any pics of the tire clearance and what tires is he using?...
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    Quote Originally Posted by donalson
    Enoch... any pics of the tire clearance and what tires is he using?...
    It's a Fire XC on the rear, it clears, but there is not alot of room for error. I didn't get a chance to steal but a few photos, sorry no tire pics. Most 2.1 will do fine on this frame
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    how bout a 2.3 exiwolf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dog.gone
    Sette is the Italian word for the number seven. Since the Sette company logo includes a number seven, I'm inclined to believe the company name pronunced in the Italian manner.

    There is a .wmv file at the following website that provides the correct pronunciation of the Italian word sette'.
    http://italian.about.com/library/chi...blnumber07.htm
    For all the "no espeecko italian" crowd, seriously, the sticker even has a freaking 7 in it.
    Sit and spin my ass...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch
    It's a Fire XC on the rear, it clears, but there is not alot of room for error. I didn't get a chance to steal but a few photos, sorry no tire pics. Most 2.1 will do fine on this frame
    FireXC? That's not too bad then. I remember BruceBrown posting measurements on those tires and he claims they are actually a true 2.2" in terms of tread.

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    2.3 exiwolf will work... I'm running them up front and in the back with my set up....

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    After tapping the threads the left bb shell still was tricky to line up right. So, don't force it.
    No headset or bb facing needed.
    Other than that, build has so far gone really well been awhile since I built a hardtale vs rear suspension. 26.8 pounds non weight weenie build 9 speed build 09 rock shox reba thru axle u-turn 100-120 at 4 lbs. XTR, Spinergy wheels ghetto ..(i give up a couple of pound cause I use ergonomic bar ends and othodic grips.)
    Btw, XTR m970 bottom bracket, I did 1 - 2.5 & 1 - ~2.3 spacers drive side and a 3 mm non drive. Hopefully that won't bugger the bearings or start creaking.
    With standard 2- 2.5 and 1 - 2.5, drive side non drive for 68mm bb, the driveline was way out to the right (it looked like my right drive arm pedal was about 1.7mm farther out than the left) so I had to get creative. If you don't know what I'm talking about then just do standard and it will be fine.
    Bike scratches very easily, but really looks like allot of bike for the money. If you are picky about that sort of stuff, you might want to clear coat it before you build it. Fun cheap project that is building up 3 lbs lighter than my R/X which as I said at my weight and height was a b*()t on the uphill. The valid compairson for this bike seems to be the niner emd 7k series alum at 3.5 lbs and 500.00 bucks or so. Air 9 Scan might be even better and you would drop about .2 pounds at ~700 ?
    Edit: Oh yea, the other change I did to get a better change line was add a spacer of about 2mm inside the back cassette. Combined with the spacer changes to the xtr bb, my chainline on the medium razzo is much improved. (If you don't do that, you may want to just add a couple of chain lengths to keep it from being a bit tight on your cross-over gearing.)
    The bike is really quite a climbing monster. My R/X was good on most flat stuff but the weight for a small size bike kept it from climbing really well compared to this bike. The Razzo out climbs anything on hilly rolly terrain. Super technical is of course another story because it is a hardtail. But the larger wheels make any up to moderately technical courses a dream. For extremely rocky technical courses of course it can't compete with my 650b 5" travel Mojo SL. But anything that has a fair section of fire roads with long non-technical climbs this bike rides away from anything I have ridden.
    Another Edit: Oh yea, the 27.2 seattube. Should have been a 30.9 but if it keeps the weight lower I am happy iow, fine for us smaller guys.
    I am running 250mm of a carbon post at 170 lbs and it flexes approx 4 mm or even more. (not a bad deal on a hardtail as long as it does not break.)
    You big guys, please run an aluminum seatpost for your own safety if you are running more than 200mm seatpost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambda_drive
    So does anybody else have a ride report on the frame?

    I'm really considering buying this frame, but I just can't find many reviews online, and a lot of people that I've talked say to go with a more well known brand.
    I built up one as my race bike after finding my Asylum too slow an heavy. Mine built up just under 25 lbs, 3x9, big tires, biggish fork. It's basically full XT with a F29 RP24 100mm.

    I raced it at the Lemurian, NVDC, and the Pine Nut Cracker and it was great... I didn't really miss the suspension at the rear with the big wheel and big tire (a 2.3 Exiwolf). It climbed great, descended well, and I beat the crap out of it and I weigh about 200. I'd recommend it for sure... although I have no idea if it would work for someone 100lbs heavier than me!

    Well worth the 200 bones! I'm pretty surprised how shaped the tubing is actually...

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    My Razzo

    I built one up earlier this year with the 29er build kit and a Rock Shox Reba SL (fork totally sucks) but bike rides great. I'm 6'1" 200lbs and ride the 18" frame.
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    Has anyone tried to take the stickers off the frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randot
    I built one up earlier this year with the 29er build kit and a Rock Shox Reba SL (fork totally sucks) but bike rides great. I'm 6'1" 200lbs and ride the 18" frame.
    Just curious why you don't like the fork

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    The stickers are under the clear coat. Very thin clear coat that it is. I've considered stripping it and repainting like I have to other frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    Just curious why you don't like the fork
    Well, it's difficult for me to get proper air pressure in it. Also, when in lockout there is still a good amount of sag and it makes a creaking noise when sagging. It needs more travel, probably only getting an inch of travel. I need to pull the legs off and take the spacer off, hopefully, I'll get another inch of travel. I just wish there was a Bomber for a 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randot
    Well, it's difficult for me to get proper air pressure in it. Also, when in lockout there is still a good amount of sag and it makes a creaking noise when sagging. It needs more travel, probably only getting an inch of travel. I need to pull the legs off and take the spacer off, hopefully, I'll get another inch of travel. I just wish there was a Bomber for a 29er.
    Do you have a proper shock pump, something for high pressure and that doesn't bleed when removed?

    The lockout is designed to still have a small amount of travel. You can adjust how much force it takes to active that extra travel with the Floodgate valve. Its a small hex end under that gold cap on top of he compression knob. Turn it max to the right and you will probably find what you are looking for.

    It definitely shouldn't be creaking. Is it really like a squeaky mattress creaking?

    Do you have matching air pressure in both chambers? Too much positive can prevent the fork from extending all the way. Also, since air is progressive, it will always take much more force to use up that last 1" of travel than the first 2"

    I asked because the Reba is widely considered a really good and reliable fork, and very simple to service. If you are having problems, chances are the collective experience of this forum can help you get it dialed

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    >>Just curious why you don't like the fork
    I'm running the 90-120mm version of the fork (maxle thru axle) as opposed to 80mm fixed qr. It really helps with a hardtale to have a travel adjust fork, and with a 29er the ta. You can ride the bike as meant to be ridden on the climbs at short travel, etc but to give yourself a break from the pounding on the LONG downhills just dial up to 120mm and the thru ax helps handles the 29er wheels extra momentum better that qr version.

    The fork has really been right on with this frame for me.
    I could do with a better travel adjust system than u-turn, but there is no other 29er fork out there>> that I know of << that has as many options for you as does the 09 Reba.
    & I use them all.....
    Nther edit: Well finally got a http://velo-orange.com/ 17 degree drop stem to get me low enough. That really is a problem for smaller riders that like an agressive lower stem setup with these 29ers. Note the Razzo is probably one of the best head tube lengths of the bunch also.
    The ride is so very well on the razzo it is the best climbing bike in my stable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghawk
    >>Just curious why you don't like the fork
    I'm running the 90-120mm version of the fork (maxle thru axle) as opposed to 80mm fixed qr. It really helps with a hardtale to have a travel adjust fork, and with a 29er the ta. You can ride the bike as meant to be ridden on the climbs at short travel, etc but to give yourself a break from the pounding on the LONG downhills just dial up to 120mm and the thru ax helps handles the 29er wheels extra momentum better that qr version.

    The fork has really been right on with this frame for me.
    I could do with a better travel adjust system than u-turn, but there is no other 29er fork out there>> that I know of << that has as many options for you as does the 09 Reba.
    & I use them all.....
    The Reba does NOT have on the fly adjustable travel. Please explain how yours does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    Do you have a proper shock pump, something for high pressure and that doesn't bleed when removed?

    The lockout is designed to still have a small amount of travel. You can adjust how much force it takes to active that extra travel with the Floodgate valve. Its a small hex end under that gold cap on top of he compression knob. Turn it max to the right and you will probably find what you are looking for.

    It definitely shouldn't be creaking. Is it really like a squeaky mattress creaking?

    Do you have matching air pressure in both chambers? Too much positive can prevent the fork from extending all the way. Also, since air is progressive, it will always take much more force to use up that last 1" of travel than the first 2"

    I asked because the Reba is widely considered a really good and reliable fork, and very simple to service. If you are having problems, chances are the collective experience of this forum can help you get it dialed
    I have an older shock pump works (white industries) but definately bleeds when releasing since it screws on. Can you recommend one?

    The floodgate was all the way to the right.

    I put the same amount of air, by the gauge, in both chambers.

    It appears that the creaking sound happens when it is locked out and the sound is coming from friction from the uppers rubbing on the lowers.

    I wish I didn't have to disassemble the fork to adjust the travel.

    Thanks very much for the help. This is my first new mt. bike in 12 years so I need all the help I can get.

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    I heard the Sette shock pump from pricepoint.com is good, according to Mountain Bike Action Magazine. It has a mesh hose, I think, for whatever that's worth. They also said the Rock Shox Boxxer pump can be used on tires as well as shocks. I don't have an air shock yet so I can only tell you what I read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randot
    The Reba does NOT have on the fly adjustable travel. Please explain how yours does?
    There is a >$800 version that does have "U-Turn" adjustable travel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randot
    I have an older shock pump works (white industries) but definately bleeds when releasing since it screws on. Can you recommend one?

    The floodgate was all the way to the right.

    I put the same amount of air, by the gauge, in both chambers.

    It appears that the creaking sound happens when it is locked out and the sound is coming from friction from the uppers rubbing on the lowers.

    I wish I didn't have to disassemble the fork to adjust the travel.

    Thanks very much for the help. This is my first new mt. bike in 12 years so I need all the help I can get.
    Happy to provide what help I can.

    Is your Reba currently set up for 20% sag?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    There is a >$800 version that does have "U-Turn" adjustable travel
    sweetness, obviously didn't know that. I apologize for my ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    Happy to provide what help I can.

    Is your Reba currently set up for 20% sag?
    That I do not know. I didn't have an extra hand when I built it up and have totally overlooked that since it's been built. I will get on it. Thanks.

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    Hello everyone, I've just ordered myself a Sette Razzo frame, and I am curious what type of headset fits there?

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    I put a Crank Brother Cobalt in mine
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    1-1/8"

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    I am interested in its type specificly, i.e.integrated, internal, semi-integrated *etc?

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    did you not look atthepictures?

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    kewl lookin pic man
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    Quote Originally Posted by nnnn
    You must live in the Northeast.

    Rain rain rain and more rain here!

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    better photo of my razzo


    with new handmade ukrainian cf seatpost =)

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    ^very nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by nnnn
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    with new handmade ukrainian cf seatpost =)
    Nice one! If you don't mind. How tall are you and what size is that frame? Is it a 20"? I'm 6'1" and got an 18" but now I'm afraid it is too small for me. The stand over height is what I was concerned about with the 20". Let me know what you think. Thanks!

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    Hi, I am 190 cm (I guess it will be 6'2") tall and got 20" frame. Feels right to me, I am even concidering buying a longer stem. If you have long feet and 18" seems too small, you can exchange it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nnnn
    Hi, I am 190 cm (I guess it will be 6'2") tall and got 20" frame. Feels right to me, I am even concidering buying a longer stem. If you have long feet and 18" seems too small, you can exchange it.
    Would you mind posting your build components? Is that an '08 reba on there too? How do you like the handling with that fork

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    new build

    22" Sette Razzo 29er frame
    Reba SL '08
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    Kenda Small Block 8's
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    X9 drivetrain build kit
    Truvativ Stylo cranks (in drivetrain build kit)
    Gigatube BB (in drivetrain build kit)
    cheapest Eggbeaters
    WTB Rocket V saddle
    Easton Monkeylite SL CNT riser bar
    Race Face Deus stem 130mm
    Sette carbon seatpost
    Sette red lockon grips

    I got everything from pricepoint and built it up last night.

    Haven't weighed it yet, spent too much time riding today I'm guessing somewhere in the 24 lb range. Very fun bike here on the local hilly trails. I got over some trail obstacles much more easily than with my 26", and I noticed its a lot lighter than my redline monocog
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    another pic of my razzo


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    My derailleur hanger broke. Anybody else have this problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randot
    My derailleur hanger broke. Anybody else have this problem?
    Just doing it's job

    "Derailleur hangers were developed to yield in a crash before your frame does.
    It is much easier to replace a hanger than repair or replace the frame"


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    Does the complete bike from pricepoint have 80 or 100 mm of travel?

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    I've been riding mountain bikes since 1990 and I've never broken one before. I have fatigued aluminum frames so badly they are covered in stress fractures and are unsafe to ride. Steel bikes do not have this problem. The derailleur hanger can simply be bent back in to place if this ever happens. I've had 3 Cannondales, because the first two frames broke, 2 Treks (because the first frame broke), 1 Barracuda Easton Varilite tubing with incorporated hanger. Great frame but too fatigued to ride anymore, that's just what aluminum does. 2 Steel Breezer Lightening frames, never looked back, best thing I ever did. Oh yeah, I once had a steel stumpjumper but sold it because I thought aluminum was the way to go. I built up the Sette Razzo to try a go at the 29ers and am now experiencing the same thing with aluminum. It breaks. Frame will be up on ebay shortly for cheap, going to build up a steel 29er. Life is too short to ride aluminum. My 29er is out of commission until Pricepoint can get a hanger and that will be at least another week.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Pay
    Just doing it's job

    "Derailleur hangers were developed to yield in a crash before your frame does.
    It is much easier to replace a hanger than repair or replace the frame"


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