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    Beautiful.... How does she ride?

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    Only been out twice so far... the chain was too slack so I had to give up on the real trail but rode great when I was on it... tracking is amazing, the geos are right on, the tubless rocks, the discs, well, they need worked in a little more and need to get used to them (went from rims to), and I also have to get used to the larger and more plush fork (from air only 80mm). The xtr levers are ok (went from SRAM twists), I'm not so sure about the way it shifts yet, basically there is a lot I need to get updated on since my previous bike was 6+ years old (also a Strong FS)... When I asked Carl to build a hardtail w/ disc at first I a bit concerned that the thing would weigh a ton, but he assured me that it would be fine and close to 24lbs... I haven't put it on the LBS scale or will but i is a little heavier than my steel SS, which was very suprising since there is a ton more on the this one, disc, geared drive, etc. Overall I am extremely pleased!

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    Nice!

    Thanks for the pics, it looks like a nice bike hope you enjoy it.

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    Good job! CARL STRONG frames - show yours here

    As a soon to be member of this group and VERY eger to see every photo of Carl's works of art - PLEASE share your photos here.

    HELP OTHERS SEE WHY CARL STRONG IS KNOW FOR MAKING A BEAUTIFUL FRAME.

    No I do not work for Carl. I don't even live in the same country.
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    posted elswhere also... but here's mine.

    3 weeks old now.
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    Just checked his website, very cool looking bikes! I'd love a 6/4 ti bike. very nice build RWGreen

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    Woohoo, just got a call from Carl, he's finishing up my frame right now! It will be going to Spectrum soon !!!

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    RWGreen - yes I've seen yours in the 29er forum but is well worth seeing again!

    xdefx - Please post pictures here when you have them - must be a fine steel rig you've had made?

    My frame is on hold [MY ISSUE] as I wont be in the States until December! :>((

    Any thoughts on seat stay design? To S-bend OR not to S-bend.....hmmmmm....I am considering having the disc break "brace" put on my Ti frame - just for that added stiffness.
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    Here are some of my old Strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xdefx
    Woohoo, just got a call from Carl, he's finishing up my frame right now! It will be going to Spectrum soon !!!
    So - where is it man?

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    My New Strong 29er

    I was looking for a way to try the whole 29er thing and swapped a Rick Hunter cross rig for the Strong frame, fork and wheelset. Frame is too big for me, but I am going to likely have something built for me in the spring and Carl is on the short list of potential builders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RWGreen
    So - where is it man?
    *sigh*......still waiting, it's at Spectrum. I was hoping that Carl would get it back this week, and then get it shipped out to me, not looking good. There doesn't seem to be much communication from Spectrum, that's a little frustrating.....considering Carl is very responsive. It goes into a black hole, then comes out painted, maybe 2-3 weeks. I am a real stickler about communcation, so this is bugging the heck out of me.

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    ha. 20_bandh and i were recently in the same position. our thylacine's went into the black hole at spectrum and warwick seemed to be given the run around from them as to when our frames would be finished. we've been told they were shipped out on tuesday but until either the box arrives or a tracking number is presented there remains a hint of doubt.

    fortunately our's were there just for finishing rather than paint.

    when your work is a sought after as spectrum's seems to be you can typically get away with situations like this. not saying it's right. just saying it is more likely to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdefx
    *sigh*......still waiting, it's at Spectrum. I was hoping that Carl would get it back this week, and then get it shipped out to me, not looking good. There doesn't seem to be much communication from Spectrum, that's a little frustrating.....considering Carl is very responsive. It goes into a black hole, then comes out painted, maybe 2-3 weeks. I am a real stickler about communcation, so this is bugging the heck out of me.
    Well - their work is worth it, and hopefully it won't be much longer. Mine was only there a little over a week, so I must have gottne lucky and caught a gap in their schedule. It is tough to be patient. Carl was very patient with me calling and bugging him once a week.

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    Carl's workmanship is among the best I've ever seen. He gets my vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AteMrYeats
    Carl's workmanship is among the best I've ever seen. He gets my vote.
    Mr Yeats, that looks mighty fine. Would you care to share the relevant details, intended build? Also, what colour did you use - is that one of Carl's stock colours or a custom?

    I'm in the Strong Queue, paid my deposit. Just patiently waiting for the good man to get back to me so we can begin the tube spec and design process. Can't wait

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    Quote Originally Posted by stymie
    Mr Yeats, that looks mighty fine. Would you care to share the relevant details, intended build? Also, what colour did you use - is that one of Carl's stock colours or a custom?

    I'm in the Strong Queue, paid my deposit. Just patiently waiting for the good man to get back to me so we can begin the tube spec and design process. Can't wait
    I've been riding the frameówith a custom Strong forkófor over a year now, and it has been reliable and versatile. It was built around the rather tall Marzocchi MX 29er fork, and while I havenít yet put a suspension fork on it, I have the option.
    The color is custom: itís very dark brown in the shade, but the topcoat appears in the sunlight. The picture, as usual, does not give an accurate depiction.
    I included a shot from this spring; the spec hasnít changed much.
    Are you ordering a 29er? Single or geared? Any way you like it, itíll be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AteMrYeats
    I've been riding the frameówith a custom Strong forkófor over a year now, and it has been reliable and versatile. It was built around the rather tall Marzocchi MX 29er fork, and while I havenít yet put a suspension fork on it, I have the option.
    The color is custom: itís very dark brown in the shade, but the topcoat appears in the sunlight. The picture, as usual, does not give an accurate depiction.
    I included a shot from this spring; the spec hasnít changed much.
    Are you ordering a 29er? Single or geared? Any way you like it, itíll be nice.
    Nice build there, elegant and understated. I'm going for a similar aesthetic, although mine will be a 26er with a Rohloff designed around a 120mm fork (most likely the RS Pike). The idea is for a neutral to slightly laid back geometry for all-round trail riding. I can adjust the fork to 140mm to slacken things out, or drop to 100mm if I wish to get more racey. Well, that is the goal anyway - I need to confirm all this with Carl!

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    Strong-ing it Too!

    After riding, a LONG time ago racing and loving Yetis I am now a Strong customer.

    I've decided that for my size and how I ride, I'm going back to a hardtail from my current AS-R. Carl has been a pleasure to work with so far; (initial design) it reminds me of the guy who makes my goaltending equipment. You are an integral part of every aspect of the bike...

    My question is about what I've had vs. something new. Should I go with the the specs I had the same geometry essentially since '89. The 73/71, long top tube, quick handling of my current bikes or just let Carl figure it out?

    Given the great level of service and professionalism so far, I think either way is a winner!
    Any thoughts?

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    Friday !!!

    According to FEDEX, my frame will be here Friday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    hey stymie, glad to see you're taking the plung. i remember you mentioned a while about about going for a rohloff design. let me know when she arrives. would love to see one in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdefx
    According to FEDEX, my frame will be here Friday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Only 3 more sleeps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanceh
    hey stymie, glad to see you're taking the plung. i remember you mentioned a while about about going for a rohloff design. let me know when she arrives. would love to see one in person.
    Yep, the ball is officially rolling. It will still be a while off yet. Carl hopes to have a first draft for this Friday. It's a fairly straight forward build, so I'm not sure how many iterations we will go through. In any case, it sounds like the real wait is going to be the powdercoating thru Spectrum. Perhaps if I go Titanium it will speed things up a little?!

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    Ryano42:

    I used to dream of a Yeti ARC in the mid-90s. My 0.02$ is that if you like your geometry [you should know by now after so many miles] - stick with it. Maybe consider another material - your Yeti is Alu - right? - how 'bout some new age steel [Reynolds 853 or better]?...or how 'bout Titanium?...Carl is very keen to material performance properties and his web site has a wealth of knowledge in this regard.

    IF/SHOULD you are considering a 29er you may want to steepen the HT to 72...as a start.

    FYI - I'm having my Strong built longer, taller and steeper than my current Gary Fisher Paragon [74SA(Fisher is 73), 72HA (Fisher is 71.5), 66cm eff TT(Fisher is 64.7cm), 15cm HT (Fisher is 10.5cm)].....This is all per my own measuring/pondering/15 years of XC.....I hope I get it right! - measure twice - cut once!!!.....I measured 100 times! I can't wait.....NOW IS THE FUN TIME - choosing the build parts!

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    Friday is...BLUEPRINT Day!!!



    Just as you said, Carl said "don't mess with it" and is going 71/73, a teeny bit longer on the top tube, and the same chainstay length and BB height as traditional Yeti.

    The changes are going to be ruggedness and making a Ti frame to fit my size (6'3'' 215 lb. hockey player!)

    I feel a twinge about leaving the Tribe after all this time, but they deal in Aluminum only and my bud John Parker is long gone from them. I miss my old STEEL ProFRO (which I may reincarnate as a SS!) they have no intention of introducing new H/T's and are going to farm out ARC's to Asia.

    Don't mistake me, they are great folks, but their bread and butter is the downhill crowd and that's fine.

    Carl has exceeded every expectation I have had. His service and sheer passion reminds me the Parker or 20 years ago or Ben Serotta back in the day.

    I think this will be the bike I have been riding towards my whole life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stymie
    Yep, the ball is officially rolling. It will still be a while off yet. Carl hopes to have a first draft for this Friday. It's a fairly straight forward build, so I'm not sure how many iterations we will go through. In any case, it sounds like the real wait is going to be the powdercoating thru Spectrum. Perhaps if I go Titanium it will speed things up a little?!
    My frame was at Spectrum about 2.5 weeks. The whole process of sending it to Spectrum (Bozeman to CO Springs), getting it painted, and shipping it back was exactly 3 weeks. Carl turned it around the next day, and it was off to me.

    It's in Chicago right now and is supposed to arrive tomorrow!! I have a busy weekend, I will try and get some pics of the frame uploaded as soon as I can....

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    I don't know if Tracking is a blessing or a curse sometimes! You see it creeping across the country...slowly...slowly.

    My goalie gear comes from Ontario via CANPAR. It tracks great until the border...then USPS. Tracking goes away and it gets here when it gets here... 1 to 4 weeks!

    And they use those sneaky little jeeps...takes the fun out of listening for the UPS rumble!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryano42


    Just as you said, Carl said "don't mess with it" and is going 71/73, a teeny bit longer on the top tube, and the same chainstay length and BB height as traditional Yeti.

    The changes are going to be ruggedness and making a Ti frame to fit my size (6'3'' 215 lb. hockey player!)
    Yep, Carl is a pleasure to work with! Your build sounds very similar to the direction I am heading, and like you, Friday is blueprint day!

    I'm 187cm and 95kg. Carl suggested I go a little longer in the toptube (62cm, up from 60cm on my Schwinn). Same angles as you, 71/73, but I'd like to flesh that out a little more, as I am aiming for something a hair on the "laidback" side of things. Perhaps drop the HTA down 05-1.0 degree?

    What sort of spec are you thinking, and what sort of riding will you be doing?

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    Well hard trail rides, cross country as we used to call it, long rides. No jumping or scary stuff...I am TOO old fer that.

    My AS-R is great, handles like a dream but really impossible to pedal out of the saddle in any condition. For the riding I do I don't necessarily NEED rear suspension (I raced all my years without it!)

    That and the Aluminum can factor instigated a change.

    My main ideas I got across to Carl was strength and reliability. I lucked into a Seven Axiom Ti frame from a a guy who was my size, and I figured Ti = noodle. (Remember the first Lightspeed Obed?) I never knew Ti could be build like that; flexy in some aspects and stiff in others!

    Whoda thunk???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryano42
    I never knew Ti could be build like that; flexy in some aspects and stiff in others!
    yup. my new Ti bike just saw its first action last week and i was inially suprised by how much flex it has. the amazing thing to me was how that flexyness had no adverse affect on handeling.

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    Good to hear....

    that the Ti does not flex too much as my frame will be Ti as well - straight cage - and as stiff as he can build it.

    Titanium plus 29er for me [6'3" 184lbs - used to be into body building and weighed 215lbs - wish I would of spent that energy developing my riding strength.....DOOOH!] - I figure the 29er about as close as I can get to a fully - without all the bearings/links/etc....Aside from being a touch too small [XL frame] my Alu 29er has been nice but still a bit harsh on the multiple hour journeys.

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    It's Here !!

    [I hate to do this without pics, but...]

    Arrived as planned, it is total sweetness!!! Batteries died on my camera, as soon as I get some I will get some pics up. The craftsmanship is amazing......

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    Sweet - glad to hear it xdefx! Can't wait to see some pics!

    Carl emailed my first blueprint today - looks pretty good. Did not get a chance to speak to him though, so we'll go through the details on Monday. Just out of curiosity, what did you end up with for your BB height and wheelbase?

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    I AM JEALOUS - and happy for you - can't wait to see it.

    I won't be home to pick mine up until December [we are still tweeking it anyway]....until then its time do decide how I'll build it up....Will I "pull the triger" on the new XTR or go with full XT [rapid fire - seperate disc levers]....It'll be ALOT of browsing until then.

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    Pics !!!!!!!

    The more I look at it, the more I admire the work, it's friggin' sweet. The paint is good, and exatcly what I drew up. I spent a good bit of time deliberating on the HT, so, it's plain. I think it kind of gives it a simple, yet custom feel. The frame comes in at 6.15 on my LBS's scale. That was with seatpost collar and the shim Carl made be so I can get a normal size post (if you call 28.6 normal). I have it about half built, wheels arriving tomorrow and then I will have everything. I hope to finish it up this week......

    Here you go.....

    The rear end is sooo beefy, in the pics, nothing is holding it up, it's balancing itself !!












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    Well it's about time!

    Looks great... love that color of blue on the panel. I think it's the same as mine.

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    Good Lord, it looks GREAT! I could stare at it all day. You must be stoked.

    It looks burly as hell too, major confidence boost when you are out on the trail. I can't wait to see the final build and a ride report. What did you decide to do re: wheelset? DT5.1s or something else?

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    huh, 6.15lbs??? what am i missing?

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    Xdefx:

    One word "solid"...o.k. more words "beautiful", one-of-a-kind"!

    Looks like oversized steel tubes...no?

    Material spec. please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardTail29er
    Xdefx:

    One word "solid"...o.k. more words "beautiful", one-of-a-kind"!

    Looks like oversized steel tubes...no?

    Material spec. please.
    Yep. Custom blend of different steel tubing. I am 5'11" 240lbs, (hardtail29er - I too bodybuild and do some powerlifting - doesn't really go to well with cycling, oh well) and I told Carl that strength was #1, as I hit some drops and have been known to launch a jump from time to time. I cracked my last alum frame.

    Here's the tubing info and general specs:

    ST = 35mm
    TT = 35mm
    HT = 37mm
    DT = 38mm

    ST = 4130
    TT, DD = Columbus Thermacrom butted, .9/.6/.9 wall thickness
    HT & Stays are tandem
    BB height at 13"
    HTA = 70 with a 5" fork
    ETT = 23
    STA = 73


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    Quote Originally Posted by stymie
    Good Lord, it looks GREAT! I could stare at it all day. You must be stoked.

    It looks burly as hell too, major confidence boost when you are out on the trail. I can't wait to see the final build and a ride report. What did you decide to do re: wheelset? DT5.1s or something else?
    The wheels are arriving today, I had them built by Larry Mettler of Moutain High Cyclery in Loveland, CO. I have heard nothing but good things about Larry from a number of people here on MTBR. I went with the new DT Swiss E540. It's pretty much a 5.1, but a little heavier. Larry recommended rims that were in the 550g weight range based on my size and riding style. I was able to find a Hope Bulb Rear (last one at Speedgoat), and Larry found a Hope Bulb 20mm front for me. Black rims, black hubs, black spokes 32h - 3 cross, black nipples.....

    Overall componentry is a mix of strong, light, and strong and light!

    King HS
    Truvativ Team 31.8 riser
    Thomson X4 Stem 10/100
    Thomson Seatpost 28.6x410
    WTB Rocket V Race
    Marzocchi Z1 FRIII - lowered to 130mm
    Saint Cranks and BB
    E13 - 36T chainring
    Gamut G45 Chainguide
    Time Atac Alium Pedals
    Avid Mech 6" rotors
    Avid Levers
    SRAM Attack Shifter
    XT Rear Der - short cage
    Shimano 11-32 rear cassette
    Shimano Chain
    ODI Lockon's
    DT Swiss E540 Rims laced 3 cross to Hope Bulb 20mm front and QR rear
    Kenda Nevegal DTC 2.35 front/rear

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    Man, I never get tired of looking at Carl Strong Frames.

    I love the 70 degree HA and 73 SA--it's tthe magic combo for getting up the hill with just enough softening of the angles for fun rough descents.

    And the 13 inch BB is a great touch too

    Nice design.

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    Sweet!

    The size of the tubes and the color makes it look more Ti than steel, it looks a really burly build and should take everything you can throw at it.

    Let us know how she rides.

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    Design Question...

    Did he suggest the triple triangle frame? I really like how that looks and I bet it makes it super stiff and able to have smaller main triangles...

    I am thinking of asking him about it...your frame is now my desktop to keep me patient about how long it may take!

    Looks GREAT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryano42
    Did he suggest the triple triangle frame? I really like how that looks and I bet it makes it super stiff and able to have smaller main triangles...

    I am thinking of asking him about it...your frame is now my desktop to keep me patient about how long it may take!

    Looks GREAT!
    Cool! Glad you like it. The seat strut was actually my idea. I wanted to have ample standover, but also have a little more seat tube. In addition to the fact that I like the way it looks. Carl said that was a great idea, so he had no issues adding it on for me.....

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    Seat strut.... <scribble scribble scribble>

    I got my final design review tomorrow...

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    xdefx:

    Just spoke with Carl today. We got to talking a bit about your frame and he mentioned the you live in C-town and ride Rays Indoor MTB park. That place looks soo cool. As a born and raised Buckeye I can say I wish Fremont [yeah right] or Toledo would of had one of those parks when I was there!

    But anyway - I'm really stoked about how my frame is developing - still a few months away before I'll be in SoCal to get it but everything is coming together nicely. Your mates are gonna flip when they see your rig!

    Cheerc, Cliff
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardTail29er
    xdefx:

    Just spoke with Carl today. We got to talking a bit about your frame and he mentioned the you live in C-town and ride Rays Indoor MTB park. That place looks soo cool. As a born and raised Buckeye I can say I wish Fremont [yeah right] or Toledo would of had one of those parks when I was there!

    But anyway - I'm really stoked about how my frame is developing - still a few months away before I'll be in SoCal to get it but everything is coming together nicely. Your mates are gonna flip when they see your rig!

    Cheerc, Cliff
    Carl is a good guy, I think he had fun building my bike, it seemed that way. A couple times he said....Man, it would be cool if we could do this.....That's how I ended up with a 4130 seat tube.....

    Yeah, Ray's is SWEETNESS. And he added some XC trail stuff that goes up into the rafters and all over. I will be riding my Strong over there. Here's some pics of my bike all built up the way it would look when I ride at Ray's.

    I didn't get my trail tires, and had a chance to ride some "urban assault" on Friday in downtown Cleveland, so I threw on my urban tires and shorter stem.....it rides great, hit some steps and some small drops....




    I have it all built up in trail mode now, got my tires, I will get some pics later on, got a bunch of family visiting......

    Adios...

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    Several of us in OH apparently... I'm in Columbus. You need to get that thing down to Mohican State Park... great trails there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RWGreen
    Several of us in OH apparently... I'm in Columbus. You need to get that thing down to Mohican State Park... great trails there.
    Been there lots of times, nice trails. Big deal going on there with the gas company wanting to mess up the place. I usually stay a little closer, being pressed for time with a 6 month old at home, usually West Branch State Park or Vulture's Knob.....

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    Looking good! You must be like a kid on Christmas morning

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    Quote Originally Posted by stymie
    Looking good! You must be like a kid on Christmas morning
    Yeah, you could say that !! Should be able to get my first trail ride in later this week. Here's the finished build for trail riding. Comes in at 31.76 lbs. Which is exactly where I thought it would be.....about 5 lbs lighter than my FS rig. I love it, it's exactly what I was shooting for.....can't wait to get 'er dirty !!!








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    Is that a BB spacer on the non-drive side of your BB? - Do you have good clearance between you chainring and chainstay? I always put the spacer [when BB width requires it] on the drive side BUT then again I've never tried to run a 1x9 where chain line could be an issue......Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HardTail29er
    xdefx:

    Is that a BB spacer on the non-drive side of your BB? - Do you have good clearance between you chainring and chainstay? I always put the spacer [when BB width requires it] on the drive side BUT then again I've never tried to run a 1x9 where chain line could be an issue......Just curious.
    The BB is 68mm. So, per Shimano, it's one spacer on the non-drive side, and 2 on the drive side. In this case, one of the drive side spacers is the chain guide backplate. I think it spaces pretty good (I could measure if you are curious...), I have ran it closer on SS setups....

    First ride tonight....WOOHOO !!

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    Here's mine

    It's hands down the best bike I have ever had.
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    Pat,

    Did you mean hands down?


    Photo by Crash Maxwell

    Of course "hands done" does apply in this photo too.

    Quote Originally Posted by CPATCRASH
    It's hands done the best bike I have ever had.
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    Good job! First Ride !!!

    Got my first trail ride in last night, all I can say is, most excellent !!

    This bike is exactly what I wanted !! I coined the term "smiff" for how it rides. That's smooth and stiff all in one. At speeds over small bumps it has the characteristic feel of steel, but when I hit a little jump or small drop on the trail, it feels very stiff. Very snappy and quick in the curvy stuff, and climbs very well. At 31.76 lbs, it's the lightest MTB that I have ridden in a while, but I don't feel like I am on a light bike, it's very solid all around. In addition, the geometry we did will allow me to conform to whatever riding style I might want to do, which is perfect.

    I am still fiddling around with the brakes, I got about a mile in and my buddy behind me said my wheel alignment was off, I got off and flipped the bike over and realized the rear wheel wasn't completely down in the dropout, I didn't want to file the dropout too much since I wanted it to be nice and snug. I got it down in the dropout, which in turn messed up my caliper alignment, so I had to get that tweaked when I got home.....

    This frame is top notch!!

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    Ha!

    You don't miss a thing do you!!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Winston
    Pat,

    Did you mean hands down?


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    Of course "hands done" does apply in this photo too.
    You wouldn't be in so much pain if you didn't ride like a dork!

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    I feel like an expecting Father in the waiting room...

    Today is WELDING DAY!





    I have smoked a carton of cigs and downed a fifth of Jack.

    (NO! I bought an XTR shifter cable set and borrowed my bud's headset tool set!)

    GO CARL GO!!! (in a whisper)

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    what is grade 9 cwsr titanium, reynolds??

    I just recently took delivery of a ti thylacine, the waiting was awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdefx
    Yeah, you could say that !! Should be able to get my first trail ride in later this week. Here's the finished build for trail riding. Comes in at 31.76 lbs. Which is exactly where I thought it would be.....about 5 lbs lighter than my FS rig. I love it, it's exactly what I was shooting for.....can't wait to get 'er dirty !!!







    That frame looks a lot like my Haro Werks SS.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Not sure, but we speced the straight gauge ti for the whole thing. I wanted to stress over strength/durability over weight in all aspects. I assume it's the Ancotec.

    I am used to getting custom stuff, being tall for a goalie I get custom gear from my bud Scott Battram in Canada. I still agonize over the shipping part...then it's out of their capable hands and now bouncing around in some truck or stuck at the border!



    Scott usually calls you the moment he begins cutting material to go over any issues he sees to fix them. All items are ironed out and then you KNOW it's ON!

    It's soooo cool to talk to the dude that is doing it! Bravo Scott, Carl and all custom builders!!!!

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    O.K. since its a small file....

    here is a pic of my final design....it a biggy

    Ryano42 CAN'T wait to see yours!

    29er. designed for 100mm fork [future forks - maybe a 120mm will slacken the HT a smiggen but my current 29er is 71degrees so all would be good]. Anteoc straight gauge as well for durability and stiffness - wont be too stiff with these tube lengths!. Disk only. Geared and a special custum touch I'll reveal in the pictures....

    Will be built with:

    Moots Ti layback seatpost [Salsa clamp]
    Thompson OS 110mm stem
    Bontrager XXX Lite straight post
    REBA w/o Poploc set to 100mm
    Stans ZTR rims w/ WTB laser lite front hub and '06 XTR rear
    WTB Nanoraptors for SoCal and Maxxis Ignitors for NZ
    2007 XTR Hydros, rapidfireSL pods, front and rear derailures
    XT 180mm cranks with RaceFace rings [current rings will be toast by then]
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    Bontrager Race X lite Pro saddle [I think thats what its called off the top of my head]
    Is that everything?
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    New Strong

    Here is my new Strong, I just got it together a little less than two weeks ago. I've got a little over 100 miles on it and I am completely in love with it. Carl did an amazing job, it fits like a glove, and the ride is absolutely magical! I've been thinking about this for about seven years and talking to Carl on and off for a long time about it. Worth every thought, minute, and penny I spent. There is no way I could be any happier with it!
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    BEEEEUUUTEEEFULLLL!!!!

    Every pic I see the more confident I get in my decision!

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    You Won't Be Disappointed

    Based on my recent experience and based on the others experiences that I've met and talked too I am pretty sure there is no way Carl could disappoint you. I honestly couldn't be anymore pleased or excited about how this bike works, looks, and the overall build quality, there is no way it could be any better than it is. When you buy something like this and you ride it you can feel the thoughts, the design, the craftsmanship and the physical work that went into it, it transforms from metal to art. There is no doubt in my mind that Carl is an artist, craftsman, and genius.

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    strong

    columbus foco stays and life front triangle with coffin shaped downtube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanB
    Here is my new Strong, I just got it together a little less than two weeks ago. I've got a little over 100 miles on it and I am completely in love with it. Carl did an amazing job, it fits like a glove, and the ride is absolutely magical! I've been thinking about this for about seven years and talking to Carl on and off for a long time about it. Worth every thought, minute, and penny I spent. There is no way I could be any happier with it!
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    Ryano and HT29er....When are you guys planning on getting yours? What are you guys doing with paint? Anything out of the ordinary??? The waiting is brutal!! Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I don't know too much about Ti, other than it being really light, what's the ride characteristic?

    [Everytime I do downstairs to the basement for something, I pop into the 'bike room' (or 'man room' as my wife likes to call it) and look at my Strong........wife hollers down..."What are you doing down there?"........"oh, nothing"....... ]

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    Carl said yesterday he was aligning and tacking MY frame and that it would ship this week. Mine is Ti so the standard finish it what it will be.

    My Ti will be in no way light as Ti goes. It's straight gauge and set up for strength more than anything. I asked him to make it a 3.5 on a 1 to 5 scale for overall rigidity.

    I never knew that Ti could non-noodley until I got a used Seven roadbike frame last year designed for a guy about my size. The bike soaks up the bumps but still is tight out of the saddle. I remember Lightspeeds of 12 or more years ago would "kneel" cornering and rub brakes out of the saddle.

    Carl mentioned that back then Ti was built like steel or any other material...I guess that's why setup and tacking is so important to making Ti perform. I just don't want to call or bother him right now...

    Luckily I have hockey games and coaching all week so I won't think too much about it. UNTIL I get the ship info...then :O

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdefx
    [Everytime I do downstairs to the basement for something, I pop into the 'bike room' (or 'man room' as my wife likes to call it) and look at my Strong........wife hollers down..."What are you doing down there?"........"oh, nothing"....... ]
    That's just weird...

    Sometimes I'm "too tired" to carry my bike(s) back down to the basement after a ride, and they unfortunately sit in plain site from the couch...

    Then of course there's the bike wallpaper at work...

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    as I wait for the photos to up load - I thought I give you my take on titanium....ride quality is simular to steel - it all depends on the relative tube sizes/wall thicknesses....tremendous durability...I've asked Carl to make it as stiff as he can - which should still result in a smoother ride when compared to Aluminum....I don't expect mine to be very light being straight gauge....I hope it sub 4 lbs - remember its a big frame.

    I have though long and hard about doing some sort of paint scheme on mine - but I don't want to think myself into a corner - I'll know when I have the perfect colors/design - it just is not now...plus stock Ti doesn't look too shabby! IF I where ever to have it painted it would likely be a partial paint job - as in just the front half or third of the bike.

    WOW - I just scrolled up and looked at the two steel gems! - Love the orange and the white [pearl?]...I think I could fit on that orange one AND we run the same pedals! - I'll be in San Diego come Spring '07. :>)
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    Titanium + Argon + Carl Strong = Art.



    https://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f...42/Strong4.jpg
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    Bravo Carl...

    And sending the build pics makes waiting a lot easier! Once again Strong delivers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CPATCRASH
    It's hands done the best bike I have ever had.
    I really like that "curvy" look. Do the curved tubes make the bike behave differently?

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    Sigh....




    Our cat seems to really like it...

    Built up like a dream...greatest headbadge EVER! Handles just as I expected, looks better than expected..compliant to bumps yet tight when you stand or get on it!

    EEEmazing Carl!

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    That is SWEET.

    I am so eger to get mine. I have had FAR too much time to think about EVERY detail - I think I'm driving Carl nuts doing small changes here and there.

    Ryano42 - great bike. Why not a 29er for a guy your size? - Just curious.
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    ... and if we just ...

    I just built a set of wheels for my AS-R...I have all the parts for a 26'' so it would be a simple swap. Except for the BB width difference it was built and ready in about an hour! Someday I will try a 29 but I wanted to all the $$$ to go to the best frame!

    I also wanted essentially a Ti version of my Olde Steel Yeti Pro FRO, updated with longer suspension correction and Carl's input and ideas.

    Carl pulled it off completely.

    My girl and I went on our fave ride and it was just amazing. Going "back" to a hardtail was just what I needed to re-kindle my riding passion:

    Fit/handling: Felt familiar yet more comfy...we rode 3 hours and I think I think I could have doubled it easily. The bike handled just like all me olde bikes, but Carl lengthed the top tube a bit and brought me a bit more upright. It made a big difference comfort wise but kept the quick handling.

    Power: I felt like I had rocket assist! It climbed both steep technical and long smooth climbs and all the power got to the ground! Standing or sitting it was stiff and gave good traction. I used my old skills on any tough parts...which I used anyway on the full suspension bike! I was right...for me, for my size and riding...hardtail is it.

    Bumps and ride: Calling it a hardtail is really a misnomer; it translates only the big sharp stuff and the rest is minimal. The faster you go the smoother! At high speed it's smooth and stable.

    Looks/fit/finish: No news here...perfect. Looks mean and clean in the bead blasted finish. The blingy gold headbadge is a great counter to it. Elegant, professional ti welds everywhere...sigh. Not the over the top, knocked over stack of dimes, FTW-style (see who remembers that) welds which I also dig, just beautiful, clean and PRO!

    Simple to build..the only thing that was needed was a good scrub of the BB treads and seattube.

    Carl...again. YOU DID IT. Exactly as I wanted.

    Thank you.

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    Ryano42.....Yeah man!! Lookin' good!

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Order before the new year and save $$$

    Looks like Carl is [understandably] raising his prices. Not by alot mind you BUT if you order before the new year you'll get the current pricing and save a few $$$.

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    Heres a few of mine, just standard ti. It weighed only 2.7#, not too shabby considering I am 6'4. Just slapped some new formula k24s on it as well. I've had the frame for about 6 months, no complaints. Carl was a pleasure to work with.




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    Your third pic was my desktop image while I waited for my Strong!

    VERY inspiring! Thank you!

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    ... and if we just ... PART 1: Carl Strong Ti29er

    SA: 74 [seatpost-Moots Layback]
    HA: 72
    Eff TT: 66cm
    HT:15cm
    BB drop: 5cm
    CS:45.5cm

    Detailed photos of build, welds and stays to follow in future post.......
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    Misunderstood

    Quote Originally Posted by HardTail29er
    SA: 74 [seatpost-Moots Layback]
    HA: 72
    Eff TT: 66cm
    HT:15cm
    BB drop: 5cm
    CS:45.5cm

    Detailed photos of build, welds and stays to follow in future post.......
    Looks like a sweet frame, but I never understood the little piece welded in near the disc brake on Strong frames.

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    Strong isnt the only manufacturer to adopt a cross brace, my Thylacine has one too. The cross brace was added to improve rigidity, stop brake shudder and to give an improved sharper/crisper feel.
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    Here's my geared custom steel 29'r with custom fork I bought in 2003. True Temper OX Platinum main triangle with Foco stays, old headbadge of course.

    Powdercoat is Ibis Warm Beer.

    I'm in line for a new steel road frame from Carl now...

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    Good job!

    DanB - Like that color! Which orange is that? Two Strong stock colors are orange and it's hard to tell 'em apart on my monitor.

    Thinking of orange for the road bike...

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well There Could Be Trouble!

    Quote Originally Posted by HardTail29er
    Having just recieved my new frame I've been quite excited about completing the build and getting her out for her maiden voyages.

    I'm currently running WTB Nano Raptors 2.1 in width...and when I looked closer at my tire clearance on my new frame with the narrow tires and saw just how little clearance I have - I'VE BECOME ALITTLE FREEEEEKED!

    I specfically requested clearance for 2.5s....DOES NOT LOOK EVEN CLOSE

    I wont have a chance to try the wider tires until I return to New Zealand in a week but let me tell you I will be VERY upset if I get tire rub w/ 2.3s as tire rub was one of the key issues I wanted to solve by going custom!
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    Update.

    As a follow-up / update to my previous post:

    There was a unique situation with my custom frame. One that is quite lengthy for me to fairly and thoroughly communicate in this forum.

    Carl is addressing my concern as I've requested.


    He has handled the situation very well. So much so it makes me want a custom road frame from him too! Time to go checkin' under the seat cushions on the sofa for spare change!
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    Color

    Howdy,

    The color I worked out with Spectrum was a Brentwood Orange basecoat with a gold metal flake clearcoat over the top. The pictures don't do it justice, it is really cool when you see the real deal! Good luck on the road bike, although with Carl I don't think you need luck, he just knows what to do and does it. I still can't believe how amazing my bike is and how much I love it!

    Best Regards, Dan

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    man i am getting antzy to get my frame. Carl cut my tubes yesterday and will be welding it today and monday. Then it goes off to spectrum for powdercoating. But i won't be seeing my frame till after march 5th as it will be on display in Spectrums booth at the North American Handmade Bicycle Show the beginning of March.. I have no idea what Spectrum is going to be doing for colors or design. I had to allow them full descretion and creativity.. But it should be cool
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    AZ pics

    Invested in the serfas hardcase and took the strong to Phoenix on a business trip. A little rocky for a hardtail, but man did the 29er fly.
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    a cross post but worth a look......

    note the difference in the front triangle!

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    I am looking at the pics and wondering why many of you went with top of the toptube cable guide. I went with the under the toptube cableguides as did hardtail29r..

    Why did ya'll choice the top of the toptube cabel mounts?
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    My frame is currently at Spectrum being painted for the North American Hand Build Bike show. It should be light and good balance of stiffness yet compliant.


    But here are the pre-paint pic from last month:

    Quick pic from the rear:


    Quick Pic from the front:



    Pic of the rear triangle. Yes i am going to use V-Brakes for a year or two more before i go disc. Thus having both Disc and v-brake mounts.
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    Looks sharp!

    Some day I'll have Carl do a Ti road bike with a bit of paint - make sure and post some of your frame once Spectrum is done.

    Speaking of the Handmade Bike Show......Carl will have another frame of mine there too.....Hopefully some pics will turn up with them in his booth!

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    My dream is a Strong Ti hardtail after my daughters graduate from college.
    I love the look of the curved top tube/seat stay versions.
    For those of you who have that version, does it sacrifice standover height?
    Are they heaver than if the tubes were straight?
    Probably only a matter of grams.
    That is the best look for a hardtail I've ever seen.
    Very organic and flowing look to it.
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    Strong Cross

    Here's my steel cross. Carl built it for me last fall.
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    OK, this got buried somehow.
    Here goes atgain:

    My dream is a Strong Ti hardtail after my daughters graduate from college.
    I love the look of the curved top tube/seat stay versions.
    For those of you who have that version, does it sacrifice standover height?
    Are they heaver than if the tubes were straight?
    Probably only a matter of grams.
    That is the best look for a hardtail I've ever seen.
    Very organic and flowing look to it.
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    Smile I searched long and hard.....

    Quote Originally Posted by HardTail29er
    As a follow-up / update to my previous post:

    There was a unique situation with my custom frame. One that is quite lengthy for me to fairly and thoroughly communicate in this forum.

    Carl is addressing my concern as I've requested.


    He has handled the situation very well. So much so it makes me want a custom road frame from him too! Time to go checkin' under the seat cushions on the sofa for spare change!
    ...under the seat cushions on the sofa for spare change and did not find sheeeit. However, base on the great experience I had with Carl building my 29er I have pulled the trigger on yet another bike.....though this next one will also sport 700c wheels - they'll be of the roadie version....I may also slide a quick pick of it in this forum for the heck of it...

    Time to go sell my existing road bike to make room in the garage not to mention a little $.
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    hardtail29r - you won't be disappointed with your road frame either. Carl built a road frame for me too and it has been an amazing ride since day one. I would recommend the reynolds ouzo pro fork to mate well with his special blend tubesets.
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    From Montana, with love...

    I've been meaning to contribute to this thread for a while, but figured I would wait until I had accumulated a good few miles with the new bike.

    I contacted Carl sometime in late July/early August and had the blueprints finalised by Sept 1st 2006. Chad at Red Barn had the dubious pleasure of accepting the frame from Carl, and building it into the bike you see below. Many others have sung Chad's (and Brian's) praises, and I am here to echo their sentiments. I only wish Red Barn was my bona fide LBS Chad had the complete bike to me just after Christmas

    The bike itself is fantastic. The overall aim was "utilitarian", and I think we nailed it. Carl gave me a little extra top tube than I was used to with my Schwinn, and I'm glad he did. The cockpit feels a lot more roomy now, and the bike almost disappears underneath me. Climbing is excellent, even with the fork ramped out to 140mm. I have been running it between 120 and 130mm with nary a complaint.

    The Rohloff has taken some getting used to. At first I was having trouble shifting under load on climbs, but have slowly adapted to backing off on the top of the pedal stroke to initiate the shift. For me, this type of shifting is still a little deliberate and laboured, but I am sure it will become more fluid over time. There also seems to be a little drag in the system, but it is either getting less, or I am adapting. Certainly the first few rides left me unexpectedly puffed on familiar sections of trail.

    And now, for some pictures, courtesy of Carl, Chad and yours truly





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    From Montana, part deux...

    And two more pics. The first was taken on its maiden voyage around Belmont Plateau, just outside Philadelphia, PA.

    The second was taken last weekend during a 15 mile ride around Blue Marsh, near Reading, PA. A lot more snow on the ground than we were expecting, but it made for a fun, albeit cold, ride. Only a few strange whirring noises from the Rohloff, probably complaints regarding the frigid conditions.


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    I hope you got your feedback.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny
    OK, this got buried somehow.
    Here goes atgain:

    My dream is a Strong Ti hardtail after my daughters graduate from college.
    I love the look of the curved top tube/seat stay versions.
    For those of you who have that version, does it sacrifice standover height?
    Are they heaver than if the tubes were straight?
    Probably only a matter of grams.
    That is the best look for a hardtail I've ever seen.
    Very organic and flowing look to it.
    Lenny
    You may want to "Private Message" the author of the tread/s that show the frame of interest.


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    I just took delivery of a Stong road frame...

    to match my MTB. WOW!
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by HardTail29er
    to match my MTB. WOW!
    You is one lucky boy - Enjoy!

    PS: Your post needs some pictures

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    here it is...

    yes I know this is MTBR....but if it weren't for MTBR I'd not have this...

    She's bad-ass

    ....damn lap top is kicking my photo uploading ARSE

    stay tuned
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    keepin the thread alive.

    OK - 1st ride since converting to a single speed - wow! very fast. Now I understand why on my geared bike I had trouble keeping up with SS'ers. SS forces you to just fly.
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    Nice SS - RWGreen

    Looks good single!

    Still lovin my TI 29er HT.

    Brace yourself....heres a pic of my latest Strong....NOTE: the pic was taken after throwing it together late one night so that I could make the group ride the following morning....sinece then the build has been fine tuned, i.e. the stem has been lowered down to the HS [as planed] and the stear tube has been cut. This ride is soo smoooth and cumfy! Also note the TT shape - same dia as the DT, just worked it [shaped] to match the HT and ST.
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    Oh yeah!

    My Strong 26'' fits so well...my commuter bike is getting dusty!

    Using it to crooze to work!

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    So I bought a Strong frame about 6 years ago. Columbus Foco steel. Sweetest ride EVER. About a month ago I decided to actually clean my bike and noticed a very small crack where the top tube hits the head tube - right in the weld - showing through the powder coat. So I took a pic and sent it to Carl and he calls me up and says "that's a crack - send it to me". So I'm thinking this is going to be hundreds of dollars to fix, another $100 at Spectrum, shipping back etc. Carl calls me after he gets it and says "yep - it's a crack, what color do you want it powder coated after I fix it?" And I'm like "how much?" and he says it's under warranty - free. I said "no way Carl - I've hammered this bike for 6 years" and he is hearing none of it. So basically I paid $32 to ship it to him and that's it. What a great guy, great bike, great company...
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    I really thought I replied to this thread, but I don't see my bike up here, so I'll add a few recent pictures. A condensed version of my long, sordid story: I bought a Gary Fisher Mt. Tam 29er in 2002 after much deliberation on the 29er thing and loved the heck out of it. I'd owned some nice bikes in the past but not a true full-blown custom and since I live about 100 miles from Carl's shop I decided that a steel hardtail 29er would be the frame that made me take the plunge. Plan A was to have the frame built and steal all the parts off the Fisher to build it. Well, I'm sure you all know how that goes. I couldn't stand the idea of canti. mounts if I was eventually going to go disc; wasn't too happy with the fork on the Fisher, etc. and it turned into a whole new bike with King hubs, King headset, Thomson stuff, etc. I've made a few changes in the past couple of weeks: layback Thomson post and Brooks Team Professional saddle to try to get a little more compliance in the ride, a different spider and lower gears on the XTR crankset, and Specialized FastTrak and Resolution tires converted to tubeless. I called in (mentally) sick to work yesterday and got an awesome fall ride in here in Montana; couldn't ask for more from a bike. It was an absolute pleasure to work with Carl, get measured up by him, tour his shop (when it was the bike shop and he did the powder coating in-house), and hang out a bit.
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    El-cid

    thst a fine looking ride! - love the color!

    happy trails.

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    My Strong

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    Next time in the Bozone...

    Look me up Chad. We'll have a beer. Carl's shop is 3 blocks from my house.

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    That's a cool-looking bike Francine! How does it ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregB406
    Look me up Chad. We'll have a beer. Carl's shop is 3 blocks from my house.
    You bet Greg, I'd like to say I'd get down there to play in the snow this winter but it might be next Summer. Thanks for all your trail advocacy work, too.
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    Strong 69er

    Rides nice
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    This is the design specs of the frame. I am 5'8" and 165 pounds. The tubes are OX Platinum DT and TT (front triangle), Columbus Life ST, HT (rear triangle). CS and custom Seatstay.
    This first is the blue print, the second is the bike, the third is the bike in action.
    Carl also has pictures of my bike on his website.

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    I have had my bike for over a year now and I am very happy with it. I went to Carl, because I had back and next pain when I rode long distances. Carl got specs from the 2 frames I was currently riding and he took my body measurements. He asked what I liked about the two frames I was riding. At that time I was riding a Schwinn Moab (old skool made when Schwinn was still a good company) and a Bianchi C.u.S.S. single speed. He incorporated the best traits from both of the bikes I was currently riding. My bike is rather strange as it has an E.B.B. and a derailer hanger, so I can ride geared or single speed. It has mounts for racks when I ride 2 or 3 day epics and go camping on the side of the trail. Best of all I don't have any neck or back pain. I was very happy with my build and happy I bought it before the prices started going up so much!

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    This thread makes me hungry.
    Time to get Carl his deposit and get the show on the road...

    Monstercross, Rohloff, Actiontec fork......................Just what the doctor order.

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    You are gonna absolutley love it...

    Best bike I've ever ridden...it feels like was made just for you.

    Wait...IT WAS!

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    Just found this thread. Here's mine, not exactly the same anymore but what the hell this thread needs a come back!

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    I got one too. It's from 2007 if I remember correctly.

    It hasn't been used much and I must admit that for the last 4-5 yrs. it has been standing stripped down in my workshop and it was even put up for sale once!!

    I rebuilt it a couple of weeks ago and I'm riding it now on a daily basis, 30 km commute and on evening and weekend XC sprints.
    I'm glad I didn't sell it


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