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    ... and if we just ... My Zion EBB is built!

    I was bit by the SS bug and decided to build a Zion EBB frame. I finished building it on Saturday morning and already went out on it twice... I am enjoying it a lot.

    The build is nice, but nothing extraordinary.....

    Frame: Zion 853 EBB
    Fork: 2004 Marzocchi MX comp ETA
    wheels: XT disc hubs with Mavic XM 317s
    BB: XT square taper
    cranks: deore hollowtech
    cog: gusset conversion kit (18T cog for now)
    headset: Cane Creek S3
    Brakes: Avid BB7 Mechs with SD7 levers
    Pedals: shimano 424s
    Saddle: selle italia Xo TransAm
    Seatpost and handlebar: OE from JensonUSA (budget :-) )
    Stem: Jamis OE (budget :-) )
    Tires: Intense CC 2.25 f, Conti explorer 2.1 r (the intense rubbed a little in the back)

    I will probably try to get a wider bar eventually.... I am getting used to it for now....and before somebody asks.. I left the big chainring on the cranks as a "bash ring".. I may eventually get an actual bash ring eventually......

    Here's some pics..... please feel free to comment or give me any SS tips ..

    Cheers,
    Cris





    Last edited by crisillo; 09-05-2005 at 11:11 PM. Reason: added info

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    Looks fine

    You can probably do without the big ring/bashring. What are you riding over that needs it?
    Otherwise it's looking good.

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    No big ring.

    I would take off the the outer chainring. Good build, though. What size is your chainring?

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    Thanks steelbike & iriedub, I will get some spacers (or washers) to replace the big ring.

    My current chainring is 32T, do you know what size washers fit around the chainring bolts?? also... do you use your ring on the outer side (big chainring position) of the crankarm or on the inside (middle ring)? Chainline seems spot on with the ring on the middle position.

    Thanks,
    Cris

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    Shorter chainring bolts is all you need

    Get them at your LBS.
    Run your chainring where it suits your chainline best.

    How is your rear tire clearance? That seems to be what many want to know about Zion's. How is the handling and ride? i always liked 853 frames for the ride.

    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    Thanks steelbike & iriedub, I will get some spacers (or washers) to replace the big ring.

    My current chainring is 32T, do you know what size washers fit around the chainring bolts?? also... do you use your ring on the outer side (big chainring position) of the crankarm or on the inside (middle ring)? Chainline seems spot on with the ring on the middle position.

    Thanks,
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    Will take a look at LBS for the bolts...

    Quote Originally Posted by steelbike
    Get them at you LBS.
    Run your chainring where it suits your chainline best.

    How is your rear tire clearance? That seems to be what many want to know about Zion's. How is the handling and ride? i always like 853 frames.
    Regarding the ride it feels very lively.... this is my first steel frame in about 10 years, and it is very different to my aluminum FS.. so I don't know how to put it in words so far.. but I like it

    Regarding the clearance, I had read about it on previous posts, however for the price, I decided to live with it. As I said the Intense CC 2.25s rub a little bit, so I opted for the Explorers... the 2.1s have more than enough clearance.. so I might try other sizes when I get done with these...since the actual problem with the CCs are the tall side knobs, other high volume tires might work.

    Cheers,
    Cris

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    nice stealthy black

    post more pics of it when it's dirty

    how's the fork when used on an SS? do you use the ETA a lot?

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    Wink I Love The Black Too

    Quote Originally Posted by CabRider
    post more pics of it when it's dirty

    how's the fork when used on an SS? do you use the ETA a lot?

    Hi CabRider! Thanks for the compliments!

    Actually it is sort of dirty (not really ) The last week has been really dry here in Saarbrucken (for a change) and the trails are dusty at the most... so no mud.......... but as soon at it rains I wil get it muddy and post more pics.

    Regarding the ETA, I haven't used it much yet (not much steep climbing yet).... it doesn't bob "uncomfortably" so I leave it at full travel most of the time.... but I will test it some more...

    Cheers,
    Cris

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    looks like mine...same fork anyway. I don't use the ETA much really, maybe on a long climb or fireroad but I like the ride and the more laid back feel.

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    I agree with you

    Quote Originally Posted by jmw
    looks like mine...same fork anyway. I don't use the ETA much really, maybe on a long climb or fireroad but I like the ride and the more laid back feel.
    the laid back feel is nice, although I did lock down the ETA today on a steep climb... it is good to know it is there just in case... at least that's what I tell myself for swapping it out from my girlfriends bike and installing a new "plain" MX Comp Air on her ride.....

    Cheers,
    Cris

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    Nice lookin' ride. Those things are a staggering value for the dolla.

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    Thanks cMc,

    Quote Originally Posted by cMc
    Nice lookin' ride. Those things are a staggering value for the dolla.

    I sure am enjoying it... it is certainly a great deal to buy a frame like this for so little....

    Cheers,
    Cris

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    Wink Nice Zion

    Chris:

    Nice build... My Zion is being shipped... How's the weight? The frame (at 5 lbs) is a bit heavier than most, and with a 4 pound shock fork as opposed to a rigid (YIKES!), I'm guessing you're running around 25-26 pounds? How does this feel, especially on climbs?

    Looks awesome. I'll be running Avid discs as well, and plan to go with a rigid fork (at least initially until I find the right shock).

    Thanks and have fun.
    MontclairBobbyB

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    ... and if we just ... Approx. idea about weight...

    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    Chris:

    Nice build... My Zion is being shipped... How's the weight? The frame (at 5 lbs) is a bit heavier than most, and with a 4 pound shock fork as opposed to a rigid (YIKES!), I'm guessing you're running around 25-26 pounds? How does this feel, especially on climbs?

    Looks awesome. I'll be running Avid discs as well, and plan to go with a rigid fork (at least initially until I find the right shock).

    Thanks and have fun.
    MontclairBobbyB
    I only have a bathroom scale... it says that weight is around 12kg (26.45 pounds)... but this is not very accurate.... I guess some weight could go down once I start replacing the cockpit and seatpost (mostly OE.. heavy parts), but I am happy as it is now... actually I have an FSA XC280 handlebar on the way (got it really cheap on ebay) and an FSA polycarbonate (a.k.a plastic) bash ring that I ordered today.... so some grams will come off but not much for now....

    The ride is amazing... yesterday I did a local loop that I do regularly on my geared FS... and the climbs nearly killed me (because of the gearing not the weight)... but I had a great time....

    I hope you get your frame soon, because you will love it I assure you.

    Cheers,
    Cris
    Last edited by crisillo; 09-08-2005 at 03:12 PM. Reason: I know an approx weight now...

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    Wink Update

    Hi again!

    Here's an update on my Zion.

    I have upgraded the front disc to 185mm, the stem to an FSA XC 140, handlebar to FSA XC 280 and seatpost to a Thomson. I also added an FSA polycarbonate (aka Plastic) bashring.

    But most important.. I have added some dirt

    Here's the pics.

    Cheers,
    Cris
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    Nice

    Bike's looking good, and so are your trails. Where are you from? It's beautiful SS country from the look of it.
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    Thanks...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutarious
    Bike's looking good, and so are your trails. Where are you from? It's beautiful SS country from the look of it.
    I am originally from Costa Rica, but I am living in Saarbrücken, Germany while doing my PhD.
    The trails around here are quite nice for SSing, I am enjoying it quite a bit.

    Cheers,
    Cris
    Last edited by crisillo; 10-13-2006 at 11:43 AM.

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    nice build...incidentally, my wife's zion ebb was just delivered this morning...i'll have it built by the end of next wheel when the wheels and fork arrive.

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    She will love it...

    Quote Originally Posted by thegood
    nice build...incidentally, my wife's zion ebb was just delivered this morning...i'll have it built by the end of next wheel when the wheels and fork arrive.
    I hope your wife enjoys it as much as I enjoy mine. Post some pics when you get the build done.

    Cheers,
    Cris

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    Just updating this old thread for current Zion lovers

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/268688610/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="https://static.flickr.com/79/268688610_8c1fde2500_o.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="SSing in Autumn" /></a>

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    Couple of questions for you. What size seatpost does your frame take? What size bottom bracket shell as well?

    Nice bike!

    Thanks!

    Mark

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    EBB shell is standard - same as tandem

    seat post is 27.2mm
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    here's mine
    Last edited by jmw; 03-16-2010 at 06:15 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Couple of questions for you. What size seatpost does your frame take? What size bottom bracket shell as well?

    Nice bike!

    Thanks!

    Mark
    As jmw said the seatpost is 27.2 and EBB insert is 68mm wide.

    Cheers

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    Last edited by crisillo; 10-16-2006 at 02:42 PM.

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    I have the 660EBB model. What a great handling bike. I have a rs tora up front, wtb speedisc wheels, fire xc tires, and a few raceface and forte items and I measured 25.5 pounds on my fish scale for a size large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmw
    here's mine
    Is that a Zion fork up front too??

    Nice bike!

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    Nice ride crisillo, love the flat black!! With all the other good advice here all I gotta say is great build!!...Go get more dirt on it, we like 'em dirty!!
    Black Sheep...where it'ss at!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Is that a Zion fork up front too??

    Nice bike!
    nope, nashbar special
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    Quote Originally Posted by miSSionary
    Nice ride crisillo, love the flat black!! With all the other good advice here all I gotta say is great build!!...Go get more dirt on it, we like 'em dirty!!
    Thanks miSSionary! I try my best... as the wet/cold season rolls in, I will have a chance to post "muddier" pics!

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    I really regret not getting one of these Zion EBB frames when i had a chance. I got a competitor's frame that has the sliding dropouts and I really don't like it. I keep reading good stuff about how easy it is to tension your chain with the EBB. Man, what a mistake I made. Next time, I'm going to get an EBB.


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    Quote Originally Posted by barber
    I really regret not getting one of these Zion EBB frames when i had a chance. I got a competitor's frame that has the sliding dropouts and I really don't like it. I keep reading good stuff about how easy it is to tension your chain with the EBB. Man, what a mistake I made. Next time, I'm going to get an EBB.

    Well, barber, Jenson has the new Zions available now, you just need to find a victim..err.. buyer for your current frame

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    Yet another update

    Here's the current state of the Zion

    A couple more parts are on the way.. I have decided to try a 34T up front with no bash... and a thicker based cog in the rear... oh.. uncurable UGI...

    This pic shows the Zion with an RS Revelation I got some weeks ago, it now has a 203mm rotor instead of the 185mm in the pic...

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/366831339/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="https://farm1.static.flickr.com/116/366831339_49ca4d1c72_o.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="Rock Shox Revelation on Zion SS" /></a>

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/372509282"><img src="https://static.flickr.com/135/372509282_8c2b3564c4.jpg" /></a>

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/372508643"><img src="https://static.flickr.com/139/372508643_3fb81a9fd8.jpg" /></a>

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/409362369/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="https://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/409362369_5bbd0549f3_o.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="SS in sunny winter afternoon" /></a>
    Last edited by crisillo; 03-03-2007 at 07:13 PM.

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    How much travel with that Revelations fork?? Nice Bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    How much travel with that Revelations fork?? Nice Bike!
    Thanks for the props!

    It is a 130mm dual air.... but I have used a big of extra negative pressure to keep it a bit shorter... I do like the extra travel though

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    Excellent bike Cris! Color looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlkYeti
    Excellent bike Cris! Color looks great.
    Thanks BlkYeti! This is my "stealth" ride and the 575 is the "flashy" one

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    Very stealthy indeed! also quiet when you're riding (no chain slap)...perfect for mud rides( no ghost shifting)....not good.... cause now I'm thinking of getting one myself..NOOOO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlkYeti
    Very stealthy indeed! also quiet when you're riding (no chain slap)...perfect for mud rides( no ghost shifting)....not good.... cause now I'm thinking of getting one myself..NOOOO!
    Go for it!

    I highly recommend it... it is great for muddy winter rides (as you can see from the pics)

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    A little superficial, I know, but how do you like the matte black? I am thinking of getting a 737 ebb and am torn between green and black. They only make the fork (due to ship in May, blast) in black and white. Looks like an awesome build by the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeuphill9
    A little superficial, I know, but how do you like the matte black? I am thinking of getting a 737 ebb and am torn between green and black. They only make the fork (due to ship in May, blast) in black and white. Looks like an awesome build by the way.
    Thanks!

    I love it... so far the finish has not given me any problems, and it looks great.... matte black always look cool, especially with mud on it...

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    another update

    I got a couple new bits

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/421465057/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="https://farm1.static.flickr.com/123/421465057_573ca764cd.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="singlespeed sunset" /></a>

    Misfit Psycles 20T Cod Cog
    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/421465207/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="https://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/421465207_775201c935.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Misfit Psycles Cod Cog" /></a>

    34T Blackspire MonoVeloce Chainring
    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/421465353/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="https://farm1.static.flickr.com/125/421465353_6061b214be.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="the new 34 T MonoVeloce ring" /></a>

    New lights (b'day present from GF and a riding buddy)
    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/421465520/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="https://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/421465520_7eaa6c4149.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="my new lights " /></a>

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    I just got a 203/160 set of "fizz bike" serrated rotors (same as alligators) from fizzbikes.com for the Zion , I have a set of 203/180s for the 575 from toronto cycles on the way (fizz bikes didn't have any 180s, and toronto had no 160s)... and they look cool and work great so far...I just got them, so I just bedded them in...but the power is there!

    additionally, the weight is low... the 160mm came in at 96 g (my Hope 160mm rotor weighs 106g for reference), the front 203mm weighs 155g (the shimano 203mm weighs 200g) and they are cheaper than the stock rotors

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/490124201/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="https://farm1.static.flickr.com/201/490124201_232955f69b_b.jpg" width="1024" height="683" alt="front rotor" /></a>

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/490123215/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="https://farm1.static.flickr.com/212/490123215_090457bb21_b.jpg" width="1024" height="683" alt="rear rotor" /></a>

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    wow, they look sweet! Do they work OK? --Mark

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    so far so good.... need more time to make a review.. reports on the "save some weight" forum are good...and initial impressions are good too..

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