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    "mini mE-VO"

    Here ya go guys!

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    AWESOME!! That turned out better than I imagined, even with the great updates along the way! That EVO Rawks!!

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    Very Cool! Some lucky child is going to be very happy!!

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    awsome job

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    Wow. The detail and effort you put in that is simply spectacular. Great job. Can you build me one too?

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    Incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Truly an amazing work of art!

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    amazing detail. very nice work.
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    awesome

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    Very Nice!!!

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    THAT IS HOTTTT

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    Details? You should start selling those. That's awesome.

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    Completely incredible

    You can't take enough pictures of that thing for me, there is so much attention to detail, creativity, and craftmanship involved. Congratulations. I think you are on to something if you want to keep making those.
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    Fair market value?

    So here's the million dollar question.

    What do you think these would be worth?

    Keep in mind a few factors.
    1- each bike would incur about $280- in supplies as seen.
    2- my time is valueable as a husband, dad and home improver.
    3- I still need time to ride my own new EVO!

    Here's what you'd get.
    1- more highly detailed replica than in the photo
    2- choice of fork maker and some components
    3- choice of most colors (some may only be able to be matched at a paint shop upcharge, like metalic orange)

    I'd love to be able to make these for others. I had fun doing it and I'm already thinking of ways of improving my EVO design as well as a format for the XCL. But I need to be able to justify the time taken away from the other parts of my life.

    Thoughts?

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    wow..it turned out really sweet!

    great job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ
    So here's the million dollar question.

    What do you think these would be worth?

    Keep in mind a few factors.
    1- each bike would incur about $280- in supplies as seen.
    2- my time is valueable as a husband, dad and home improver.
    3- I still need time to ride my own new EVO!

    Here's what you'd get.
    1- more highly detailed replica than in the photo
    2- choice of fork maker and some components
    3- choice of most colors (some may only be able to be matched at a paint shop upcharge, like metalic orange)

    I'd love to be able to make these for others. I had fun doing it and I'm already thinking of ways of improving my EVO design as well as a format for the XCL. But I need to be able to justify the time taken away from the other parts of my life.

    Thoughts?
    how many hours do you think it takes to build one?
    I'd say around $400 to $500 seems fair.
    Pretty high for kid's bike, but not as a collector's item.

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    Woah! Great bike! I love the detailed work, especially on the Maverick, well everything for that matter. So cool!

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    30-35 hours most likely more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Strafer
    how many hours do you think it takes to build one?
    I'd say around $400 to $500 seems fair.
    Pretty high for kid's bike, but not as a collector's item.
    I could probably sell a couple dozen at $500-. I thought of that originally, but if you remove at least half of that for supplies, that only leaves $250- for labor. That would put me at about $7- an hour.

    There may be no market for what it's worth. It's probably one of those "Gotta-have-it's" type of items that may sell to a few that can afford to bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ
    I could probably sell a couple dozen at $500-. I thought of that originally, but if you remove at least half of that for supplies, that only leaves $250- for labor. That would put me at about $7- an hour.

    There may be no market for what it's worth. It's probably one of those "Gotta-have-it's" type of items that may sell to a few that can afford to bother.

    BMJ to get an accurate pricing I think you need to look at high end hand made furniture, my fiance is a tool designer for black & decker and she does alot of market research on tools and what not that wood workers would want / use. I showed her your pictures and she was floored. I asked her a price just as a ball park and she spit out 700-1000 right off the top of her head. Now I don't know what you'd sell at that price, but that is right in line with medium sized hand made furniture, (chairs, custom rocking horses, things like that) and I don't think you are too far out of line in that price. If you want more information shoot me a PM and I'd be happy to share some links of high end hand made furniture, or if you would like to talk to her I'd be happy to provide the contact information.

    PS. that thing freaking rocks.

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    Thanks Monty.

    I appreciate the input! That's kinda the ballpark I was thinking, 9ish to make it worth my while. Again, I'm not sure what kind of market there might be for this. I know that there has to be more bike finatics out there besides myself, but are they finatical or wealthy enough to bother.

    I'd definately take you up on your offer. I'll drop you a line.

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    Nice work!!!
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    Dude that is freakn awesome! Wow, i'd love for my boys to have one but can't afford one at the moment. Great work!

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    What about volume/sell to retailers?

    Would it help if you made them in volume?

    Sell direct to shops. For a retailer, those would generate great floor traffic. I think a shop would get more people coming in to look at one of those than a whole rack of carbon race bikes. Then the kids would cry and Dad would rationalize...its a beautiful picture.

    And be willing to copy other brands that the shop carries.
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    Hey Dirt Dad.

    -I'm not sure the best way to produce something like this in volume. I could do a couple of the same design at once to streamline to some degree.

    -Selling to shops. I would imagine that this would include splitting some profits as well. I'm not sure what kind of split would satisfy both parties.

    -I find myself looking at other bikes in magazines imagining how they could be miniturized. Keeps my mind active, so yes, other makers would be possible. I think a Mojo would make a really cool mini!

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    More pics!

    Here's some of Olivia and Daddy's rides.
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    That is the coolest thing I've seen in awhile.
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    BMJ - again, great work on that mini evo. Your little girl is adorable. How old is she? My son is 2 1/2 and I'm wondering when I should get him on a pedal-less bike.

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    three.

    It really depends on there build. She's kinda petite for a three year old.

    If your looking for an affordable one, look into the "Skuut" brand. You can always find them new on Ebay for around $80-$90 dollars and their quality bikes.

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    Thanks BMJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ
    Here's some of Olivia and Daddy's rides.
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    Cool!

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    Thanks for welcoming us into your home.
    Which one did you choose?

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    That is very very nice, Great work!

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    Thanks!

    [QUOTE=Motomatt]That is very very nice, Great work![/QUO

    Thanks Matt. My daughter was hip to the blue from day one but it took a couple of days for it to grow on me. Now I wouldn't have it any other way!

    The blue metalic rocks!

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    that is majorly awesome dude! now all you need to do is make one that pedals! a SS disk hub laced up to maybe a 16" rim running a 6" rotor would do great on the rear, and for the cranks, finding or making a set of cranks for it wouldn't be hard at all. that way you could have your daughter following you around on the trails even when they point uphill!
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    My butthole would pucker and invert until I was inside-out before I got to the bottom.

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    ... and if we just ... Thanks man!

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyp Dawg
    that is majorly awesome dude! now all you need to do is make one that pedals! a SS disk hub laced up to maybe a 16" rim running a 6" rotor would do great on the rear, and for the cranks, finding or making a set of cranks for it wouldn't be hard at all. that way you could have your daughter following you around on the trails even when they point uphill!
    Your right, it wouldn't take much. I wouldn't have to be too heavy duty for a 30 pounder. I'll let her work on her balance first and maybe next fall bore a hole through the bottom bracket for some cranks.

    Oh, Olivia just heard what you said about following me...she doesn't like that idea. She wants to LEAD!

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    hm. I wonder if Chumba would be interested in working with you on it? they could probably have a full frame and possibly fork setup for you. it would cost a few pretty pennies, but then again if the folks at Chumba Racing are generous enough... hey, you never know. dropping the price a bit because it's just scaling down an existing design so that a kid can use it, it could work!
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    Metal mini!

    According to thier website, they do custom fabrications. There's a photo of a kids size downhill bike. Pretty cool! Size verses price....I don't think they scale down the same way.

    Oh well.

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    That is one freaking awesome project! Now how are the rest of the dads supposed to follow that? Thanks for raising the bar.

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    Daddy's new jersey.

    Olivia was wishin Daddy's new jersey came in extra, extra small. She still had fun modeling it though!
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    nice work... as I revisit this thread from a few months ago... how about this... To make the $7.00 and hour figure go up.... just work faster without sacrificing quality...no breaks allowed... and

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    $600-

    Hey guys,

    I've been gettin' the itch to build another mini. I was considering building up a "Mojo" for the Ibis folks. I think it would make a cool build with all it's curves, but I want to put the invite out to you guys first.

    Is anyone interested in a "mini-mEVO" or an "X-small-CL" for 6 bills?

    You pick the color (assuming I can find a match), the front fork, and other details can be customized as well. The shock options might be limited though. Piggy-backs may not fit but I could probably build up a coil.

    You've seen the "EVO", but If an "XCL" is what your interested in, I could draw up the plans for the final build and email a photo of them so you can get an idea of what you'd be getting and how long it might take.

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    BMJ,
    Man I am impressed.
    How much does that EVO weigh?
    My Twins(Girl, Boy) turn 3 y/o next week. I would like to get them something like that for Christmas for them. How do you Make those? Very Nice work!
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    I forgot to mention, I have a Nomad. Do you think you could do one of those? My son is always getting on my bike and says Common Daddy lets go for a ride. I love that.
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    Nomad...I don't see why not.

    Quote Originally Posted by MCtigre
    I forgot to mention, I have a Nomad. Do you think you could do one of those? My son is always getting on my bike and says Common Daddy lets go for a ride. I love that.
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    I'd have to weight it. It is a little portly but it's not like my daughter is entering any cross country races.

    It's made out of plywood and maple mostly. The wheels are wood with ball bearings and metal rims screwed to them to support the tires and tubes. The seat post can be adjusted into three positions with 7/8" difference between settings. I scrounged up some misc real bike parts to add a touch of realism and cut the decals by hand. A labor of love.

    Funny you should ask about the Nomad option. That was the bike I had before the EVO. My daughter loved that bike as well...she loves daddy's new bike even more because it's blue.

    One thing I plan on adding to future builds is foot pegs. I've noticed that some of the other manufacturers of balance bikes have been integrating these into they're design. I plan on making mine removable so that when first learning, they're not in the way.

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    "X-small-CL" and "mini-Nomad" Layouts.

    Here ya go guys.

    I thought I'd give you an idea of what these mini's might look like.
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    what are the bikes made of?

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    Materials.

    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    what are the bikes made of?
    They're made of a combination of plywood & maple. The wheels are metal rims with ball bearing hubs mounted on wooden centers. I use misc. bike parts to add realism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ
    They're made of a combination of plywood & maple. The wheels are metal rims with ball bearing hubs mounted on wooden centers. I use misc. bike parts to add realism.
    Do you have more pics of the build?

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    Sorry...no.

    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    Do you have more pics of the build?
    I didn't have a camera handy when I was doing most of the manufacturing. I should have though. I always do when I'm tearing up the house and remodeling.

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    That is awesome. IMO $600 is a great deal for the work involved in this. I have a kid on the way and if your still building these in about a year and half I will buy one fo sho!!

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    to hell with specialized.

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    That's just stunning work. I know my kid would love one based on my bike.

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    Thanks man!

    Quote Originally Posted by dropadrop
    That's just stunning work. I know my kid would love one based on my bike.
    My daughter's havin' a blast!

    She gets frustrated though. She wants pedals like daddy and gets upset with me when I use mine. I end up sitting on my top tube and footing along like Fred Flinstone with her. She feels much better about things when I do that for her.

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    work of art - well done!

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    Thanks!

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    Somebody commission BMG for Mini Evo II soon please.

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    That thing is so awesome I'm ready to start having kids...well...at least keep practicing
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ
    I could probably sell a couple dozen at $500-. I thought of that originally, but if you remove at least half of that for supplies, that only leaves $250- for labor. That would put me at about $7- an hour.

    There may be no market for what it's worth. It's probably one of those "Gotta-have-it's" type of items that may sell to a few that can afford to bother.

    One could always just steal it

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    What a really sad ending to this whole story.

    Hope you get your mini bike back soon. Otherwise I hope karma pays a visit to Mr Kang.

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    Love forums to see the sad state of reading comprehension.

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    looks great
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUMBAevo
    looks great
    What looks great? The picture of a kid crying when his mini-bike was stolen?

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    Oops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUMBAevo
    looks great

    Talk about being out of the loop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus
    What looks great? The picture of a kid crying when his mini-bike was stolen?
    What was stolen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropadrop
    What was stolen?
    The mini bike that BMJ built up...pics at the beginning of this thread..

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    He's either on medication or drunk....

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    Looks nice in his possession. I say...he is shwasted. <--- and must feel like that.

    I kinda wanna get an update on this, BMJ....you around to give us an update?

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    No updates to be had yet.
    Maybe Alan just got it back from Taiwan and is letting us know it's in great shape after traveling around the world and back.

    Don't get too trashy on this thread though, seems like the threads are getting locked out a little more readily lately. This one could be next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ
    No updates to be had yet.
    Maybe Alan just got it back from Taiwan and is letting us know it's in great shape after traveling around the world and back.

    Don't get too trashy on this thread though, seems like the threads are getting locked out a little more readily lately. This one could be next.

    No one should be afraid to speak up about an injustice perpetrated by a manufacturer against a customer on a consumer review forum. That is why these forums exist in the first place. Even if they are paid for by the manufacturers themselves which I do not believe to be the case anyways.

    Manufacturers and owners such as Alan Kang have to accept that the internet is a double edged sword. Sharp and deadly on one side as a marketing tool and hype/propaganda machine for him and he legion of fanbois. And equally sharp for his detractors and real unsatisfied customers.

    The sword cuts both ways and must stay that way if this forum and site is to stay relevant. Having members banned, given time outs or threats of banning for pointing out the truth about things is a terrible shame. Having fanbois whine and cry when people speak the truth is not conductive to helping Chmba get back on track.

    Hopefully people can speak the truth about things here in the future. Just getting BJM back his bike isn't really enough IMHO. There needs to be an explanation given for this terrible treatment of a customer. Seriously, reread this thread. Look at the time and effort that was put into that bike. This should have never come to this. If there's a "good" explanation, let's hear it. If there isn't then no one should fear a thread getting locked or a banning for calling bulls!t.

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    BMJ is entitled to an 'explanation' because the problem is between him and Chumba. You and I are members of the internet peanut gallery and entitled to squat on this issue. If BMJ wants to share any explanation, or lack thereof, with us, great. And if not, great too. It is his choice.

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    No one should be afraid to speak up about an injustice perpetrated by a manufacturer against a customer on a consumer review forum. That is why these forums exist in the first place. Even if they are paid for by the manufacturers themselves which I do not believe to be the case anyways.
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    The sword cuts both ways and must stay that way if this forum and site is to stay relevant. Having members banned, given time outs or threats of banning for pointing out the truth about things is a terrible shame. Having fanbois whine and cry when people speak the truth is not conductive to helping Chmba get back on track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bustamove
    Correct. This is not a forum paid by Chumba. The Chumba Racing forum was created because there was a strong enough interest in the brand to support having its own forum. Any specific forum is open to sponsorship, but currently this forum is unsponsored.



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    ...and yet poor BMJ still doesn't have his bike.
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    and yet poor laxman still is confused about young boys in the locker room

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    So chumba still haven't given this guy his child's bike back? That's some absolutely disgraceful conduct from a company. I thought that oscarchumba dude was meant to be changing the way this company treated its customers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by missoularider
    and yet poor laxman still is confused about young boys in the locker room
    That's an interesting assumption. Totally unsupported by the facts, but it speaks volumes about you nonetheless.
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    Guys, can you take this back and forth banter to another thread. This thread is about my mini-evo and if you escalate the banter, this thread will be shut down as well.

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    My My, so self fish, not everything is about you BMJ I'll do my best, but I can't speak for the other ass monkeys that like to stir the pot here. Maybe you should PM Lax, he single-handedly got the customer service thread closed. He's not smart enough to come up with a retort so throws out four letter words starting with C and closes threads.
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    Sorry BMJ.


    Good luck getting your bike back.
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    Thank you guys!

    I'm still hoping things turn out well, for me and everyone else.

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    how's that evo shipment coming? has the rowboat arrived yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    how's that evo shipment coming? has the rowboat arrived yet?
    +1...this is now past the point of laughable, now its just hilarious...what a bunch of crooks

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    Yea, when Chumba posted on their facebook that production evo's where in and they posted some builds a couple of people including me asked about Mini-Evo and are comments were promptly deleted.

    Sad really. Sorry for you and your daughter's loss, that sucks royally.

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    Hey guys, still nothing.
    I have no idea if the G2's have landed in the states let alone my mini-evo and compensation frame.

    No one from Chumba has kept me up to date on this.
    Not holding out much hope at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ View Post
    Hey guys, still nothing.
    I have no idea if the G2's have landed in the states let alone my mini-evo and compensation frame.

    No one from Chumba has kept me up to date on this.
    Not holding out much hope at this point.
    kinda sad man. for all their talk of wanting to change their rep this one takes the cake. absolutely pathetic. why they can't keep you informed i have no idea. sad. hope you do get it back. that was a real labor of love

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Nice Guy View Post
    +1...this is now past the point of laughable, now its just hilarious...what a bunch of crooks
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    Sue the bastards.
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    This whole new rep thing is pretty funny, I can now see all of the losers from the chumba forum that have been visiting my page.

    BJM, any possibility of a mini foes fly, if so shoot me a PM
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    $$$?

    Quote Originally Posted by laxman2001 View Post
    Sue the bastards.
    It would cost me more to litigate than the item is worth. Any MTB attorneys that want to join my cause "pro-bono".... let me know.

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    And the beat goes on....If it wasn't for the the stealing part, this would be laughable. What's happened to si?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ View Post
    It would cost me more to litigate than the item is worth. Any MTB attorneys that want to join my cause "pro-bono".... let me know.
    File a police report?
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    Still nothing from Chumba?

    (Really, I am just so totally shocked that they lied again!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by laxman2001 View Post
    Still nothing from Chumba?

    (Really, I am just so totally shocked that they lied again!)
    They kicked me off their facebook page and sent me a cease and desist PM. Azzholes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    They kicked me off their facebook page and sent me a cease and desist PM. Azzholes.
    pathetic. they have no intention of giving that bike back. can't get any lower. bjm, you need to post this in as many forums as possible. you should start a chumba stole my bike facebook page

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    They kicked me off their facebook page and sent me a cease and desist PM. Azzholes.
    Wow, a cease and desist "PM"...how professional not to mention pathetic.

    (oh, and +1 rep for you)

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    hey look! my "rep power" went from 4 to nothing!

    Thanks Chumba fanbois!
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    Free the mini Evo.

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    I'm kinda out of the loop I.. How did your mini evo end up overseas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogo View Post
    I'm kinda out of the loop I.. How did your mini evo end up overseas?


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    Interesting. Care to share some details? I remember you made that super cool mini EVO kids bike that Alan wanted to take off your hands. Not related to that is it?
    Yes it does.
    He finally convinced me let him have it with a sweet deal to trade it plus $700- for a new 2010 Manitou Dorado fork.

    He needed me to ship him the "mini-EVO" prior to last years Interbike show and then he'd follow up with getting me the Dorado. Made sense to me... I looked at it as a down payment and the show was two weeks away so I thought he'd be using it at the show. He never set up a booth at last years show though. I did write up a form of contract which he agreed to prior to the trade but I don't know if it would hold water and even if it does, what money would I use to litigate.

    In the end, all I asked of him was to either send me $500- bucks for my mini bike or send it back in good condition and call it even. He said he'd send it back and nothing ever showed up. After months of back and forth dispute, he has fallen silent.

    Basically, he got my "mini-EVO", luckily no cash, and I got jacked!!!

    The Dorado beer googles where too thick for me to see who I was bedding down with, now I pay the price.


    Somewhere in the Asias.....
    ..... at this point, Alan's nephew is probably tooling around on it over seas!

    When he told me "he was done with dealing with me on this issue", he said he'd have Eduardo "try" to send it back to me. "Try" ... what does that mean? Was it destroyed? Was it lost? Was it overseas being reverse engineered? Or was he just affraid to pull it out from under his nephews behind to send it back to it's rightfull owner?

    I think the $500- price to be rid of me was more than fair due the amount of work that went into fabricating it. I even offered him to throw me a CCDB in it's stead. Supossidly they stock them for their bikes and I'm sure they get a swinging deal on them. Probably just put them out $300- to $400-. But no Alan gives me nothing but attitude as if I'd done him wrong!!!

    Don't know what rock he crawled out from under but hopefully that rock has fallen ontop of him!

    Pissed.... I am!
    Fool do I feel like... Yes.

    Outside getting a plane ticket from the east coast to give Alan a visit... I'm left to him "maning-up" and doing the right thing.


    there's a little history.

    So far, he hasn't found the balls to step up and make it right.

    Won't be forgeting. Sure as hell I'll be bringing it up as soon as his new product hits the web.... if it ever does.

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    If that's true I'd file a police report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropadrop View Post
    If that's true I'd file a police report.
    I doubt the police would do anything. I'd take him to small claims court.

    You might also consider writing letters to the editor of each major mountain bike magazine.
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    If thats true then Alan really is a POS. I mean telling the guy he's done dealing with him! Man couldn't even give the poor guy a CCDB and call it even! How cheap can one be! I hope this works out for you, and if it doesn't file a police report and use these forums as evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    I doubt the police would do anything. I'd take him to small claims court.

    You might also consider writing letters to the editor of each major mountain bike magazine.
    Why? How does that differ from theft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogo View Post
    If thats true then Alan really is a POS. I mean telling the guy he's done dealing with him! Man couldn't even give the poor guy a CCDB and call it even! How cheap can one be! I hope this works out for you, and if it doesn't file a police report and use these forums as evidence.
    This isn't the first time Alan and the scumbags at Chumba have acted like POSs.


    ...hence the large number of posters here that try and educate the populace abou the slimy practices of these scumbags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dropadrop View Post
    Why? How does that differ from theft?
    because it's only valued at $500 and cops are busy. I've seen cops walk away from more serious crimes than this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogo View Post
    If thats true then Alan really is a POS. I mean telling the guy he's done dealing with him! Man couldn't even give the poor guy a CCDB and call it even! How cheap can one be! I hope this works out for you, and if it doesn't file a police report and use these forums as evidence.

    it's true. there's no denying that. even si his uk distributor got involved to try to smooth things over. to no avail it seems. this is a scummy story yet there will still be some who defend alan because the bikes ride nice. they may, i don't doubt that but why would anyone want to support a company with an owner like alan in charge? there are a lot of nice riding bikes out there with owners who don't rip off their own customers hard work for their children.

    no fanboi could argue that. it's not about the bikes. never was. it's about an owner of a company who has zero scruples. zero class. zero character

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    Thats Fuk'd! BMJ hope everything works out for you.. Personally if Alan really wants to right his wrongs when the mini evo gets back into the states (if it ever does) the mini evo, along with the evo g2 should be waiting at his door step!

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    At some point, you would think it would be as easy to delete a corrupt forum of well documented & unapologetic crooks as it would be to add a forum for a past supermoderator that needed a favor and wanted a forum created for his own personal gain...cough**on-one**cough...I'm just sayin'

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    Like beating a dead horse!

    I sent yet another email to Alan and Oscar... aka Alan for yet another update that will probably never come... kinda like my mini-EVO.

    Most reputable companies will respond within 24 hours, lets see.

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    Dude, start a "Missing, have you seen" FB page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ View Post
    I sent yet another email to Alan and Oscar... aka Alan for yet another update that will probably never come... kinda like my mini-EVO.

    Most reputable companies will respond within 24 hours, lets see.
    Depending on state, it can be pretty cheap to file in small claims court, and you don't ned a lawyer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ View Post
    I sent yet another email to Alan and Oscar... aka Alan for yet another update that will probably never come... kinda like my mini-EVO.

    Most reputable companies will respond within 24 hours, lets see.
    Good luck man. Where is Si in all this? I thought he was stepping up and straightening Alan out. What happened to him? He's been rather silent lately. Oscar too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Nice Guy View Post
    add a forum for a past supermoderator that needed a favor and wanted a forum created for his own personal gain...cough**on-one**cough...I'm just sayin'

    The horror!
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    Oh well, by now the kid is probably to big for the thing anyway.

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    Hmmm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Oh well, by now the kid is probably to big for the thing anyway.
    Yes she is but, not really the point.

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    A good number of posts were deleted from this thread. Anyone know why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Not on this thread, like its anything to do with any of you lot. I have updated J, and that is all that matters.
    well that's a funny stance. chumba's reputation is really on the line. what's left of it anyways.

    so what was the update? tow many broken oars on the rowboat causing the delay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merrimack Dave View Post
    A good number of posts were deleted from this thread. Anyone know why?
    It was just missoularider and laxman2001 flaming each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post

    As for the delays, have you seen that others have had issues this year with stock and delivery times? Delivery delays all over the place, not just with Chumba.
    I just couldn't resist....seriously? That is just about as asinine and moronic as it gets. Anthony Weiner needs to take notes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    nah, no matter what is said certain people always stick their nose in and say shite, so i keep out of this forum and let them say whatever they like about Chumba, i really don't care anymore.

    As for the delays, have you seen that others have had issues this year with stock and delivery times? Delivery delays all over the place, not just with Chumba.
    I guess Chumba sales aren't doing that well in the UK either

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    Delays in delivery and stock problems usually point to other problems like liquidity and slow payment. Seems like the Taiwanese are fairly adept at getting product to market as long as its profitable. Just sayin.

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    I'll never consider buying or riding a chumba. Sounds like a circus over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Not on this thread, like its anything to do with any of you lot. I have updated J, and that is all that matters.
    Well, I've currently bikes from six different companies, and Chumba is the last company I'd ever consider purchasing a bike from, so it will never be a concern of yours. Why the hell do you have to handle affairs that were arranged by the head of Chumba, Alan Kang, and take the flak for his mistakes, when he or oscarchumba could very well do the same and answer for their actions themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Delays in delivery and stock problems usually point to other problems like liquidity and slow payment. .
    .....and have n_o_t_h_i_n_g to do with returning the owner's property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by placebo-X View Post
    Well, I've currently bikes from six different companies, and Chumba is the last company I'd ever consider purchasing a bike from, so it will never be a concern of yours. Why the hell do you have to handle affairs that were arranged by the head of Chumba, Alan Kang, and take the flak for his mistakes, when he or oscarchumba could very well do the same and answer for their actions themselves?
    It appears that SI is the only person remotely invovled with Chumba that has any balls and/or ethics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUMBAevo View Post
    That is the coolest thing I've seen in awhile.


    So cool you stole it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    It appears that SI is the only person remotely invovled with Chumba that has any balls and/or ethics.
    Couldn't agree more.

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    No nuthin from Alan or Oscar... aka Alan. Contacted them a number of days ago with no response.

    Simon has no good answers either.



    Getting anything out of Chumba looks like a lost cause at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ View Post
    No nuthin from Alan or Oscar... aka Alan. Contacted them a number of days ago with no response.

    Simon has no good answers either.



    Getting anything out of Chumba looks like a lost cause at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Not on this thread, like its anything to do with any of you lot. I have updated J, and that is all that matters.

    So his update was you are getting F-all from Chumba? My god, Alan is pure scum. He was never this bad before. I liked my Evo and dealing with them in the past but he's a ;ost cause now. I can't see how the brand will survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmac999 View Post
    So his update was you are getting F-all from Chumba? My god, Alan is pure scum. He was never this bad before. I liked my Evo and dealing with them in the past but he's a ;ost cause now. I can't see how the brand will survive.
    Something HUGE needs to happen! Like say a brand new G2 frame awaiting BMJ at his doorstep after a long days work! If that is done I think all should be forgiven. If not F Chumba, and as much as I dig there bikes I would never be back for another one...

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    So where is Oscar?

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    I agree with dogo, something big needs to happen. I love my EVO and the chumba bikes in general, but sh*t customer service is definitely gonna have me looking elsewhere in the future. I feel like this problem would've been resolved long ago with a decent company.
    Apparantely chumba is NOT one of them...hence why I didn't even want to go through chumba to get their stupid cheap bolts...I fixed the problem myself....in a much faster time...less than a week. With chumba, the way it sounds, it probably would've taken a month at least...that saying if I would even be able to get in touch with them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    They are OK, though I don't rely too much on Chumba sales to feed myself

    Look, I can see the issue with the Mini Evo, I'm not stupid but all i can say is that i have tried to help J and keep him updated.

    As for product delays, that is for real. Have a look around at some of the more 'niche' brands, some have struggled with various issues, QC, delivery etc. The Ti Brodie holeshot frames i had were 3 months late, and even now the bulk of those frames are still to be delivered.

    I don't spend much time on the boards nowadays, my life is busy with lots of stuff, not just bikes as i have other business which pays better and takes up lots of my time, and to which i get less hassle for

    Try not to eat each other alive please
    You seem like a good egg to me and I honestly can't imagine how/why you got mixed up with these clowns known as Chumba. Good sir, get out while you can and save your good name. Seriously. The ship is not just sinking, it's on fire too!

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    Seriously, the more I think about it, they just don't give a sh*t one bit. You'd, think that after seeing all these crappy replies...People saying stuff like they'll never consider chumba again...that somebody from chumba would actually respond and try to resolve the issue. But no. They just don't give a sh*t at all. What a bunch of fuking as*wipes.

    P.S Chumba, YOUR LOSING CUSTOMERS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    Where's all the Chumba Love now?
    Not much left of it. Besides the actual bike itself that I do love. I'm just like chumbacabra above...i was staying positive and hoping things would pan out ok...but they haven't. So the love is wearing down quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]ogressivebikes View Post
    Thanks for your kind words.

    When i started with Chumba their CS was second to none. Things have been patchy at times since, but its not all as bad as appears on here, you only get to see the bad CS on this board. The mini EVO thing is a balls up, to which i have no answer, and I know that CS has been slow at times, which is never good.

    Anyway, like i said to J, he will get a free HX HT frame when his EVO is sent back to him. It's not ideal but its the best i could do for him.

    That is true SI, on here you will only ever hear the bad CS problems that maybe a few people are having, but you won't hear the good CS that goes on for the rest of the chumba customers.
    However, this mini EVO problem is truly a terrible example of the company operating in a very poor manner that I wish would've been resolved in a better way.

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    Truth... holy ***** I just cracked up reading those.

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    Send an email to me with your top three suggestions for a new account name. I can rename your account to whichever is first available.

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    Mods,

    Please make this thread a Sticky. Please also change the title to "Chumba CEO Stole My Kid's Bike".
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
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    Please make this thread a Sticky. Please also change the title to "Chumba CEO Stole My Kid's Bike".
    ^this

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    +2 for making this a sticky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ View Post
    No, nuthin'!!!
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    BMJ, why not take it Chumba HQ, and put Alan in a sleeper hold?
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    BMJ, why not take it Chumba HQ, and put Alan in a sleeper hold?
    Apparently everyone at Chumba IS already asleep...

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    Quote Originally Posted by azbeerguy View Post
    Apparently everyone at Chumba IS already asleep...


    It was posted on another thread that a collection could be started to fund air-far. I'd be all for a visit but the cost to and from would probably outway the benefits of the trip.

    I think they're doing a good job of kicking themselves in the nuts with this issue as it is.

    Keep this thread at the top so all can see how Chumba runs it's buiseness.

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    what happened to Oscar? Who appeared here firstly with a gmail account?

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    Haven't herd hyde nor hair from him and haven't seen any activity on the forums with him either.

    I guess it's back to customer service as usual at Chumba.

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    You'd figure that the sock puppet Oscar would respond, I guess not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ View Post
    Keep this thread at the top so all can see how Chumba runs it's buiseness.
    I think you mean "ruins" it's business
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    I think you mean "ruins" it's business
    Definitely on the road to ruin.

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    Still not returned, what a bunch of losers this outfit is.

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    Bump to keep this out front where it belongs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    I think you mean "ruins" it's business
    What "business"? These guys are done like dinner. Sad. Alan took a decent brand and decent suspension design and ruined it. Poor attitude. Condescending. Aggressive to competitors. Lied. Tried to cover lies. Now theft from a customer. No excuses. Just pathetic

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    All that left is to return the mini and then they can put chumba to bed with a shovel.

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    Back on top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmac999 View Post
    What "business"? These guys are done like dinner. Sad. Alan took a decent brand and decent suspension design and ruined it. Poor attitude. Condescending. Aggressive to competitors. Lied. Tried to cover lies. Now theft from a customer. No excuses. Just pathetic
    Sounds like he copied the business plan from Specialized and ran with it. Unfortunately for him, they just have better lawyers to cover it up and put the competitors out of business.

    Edit: Really? 4 people neg repped this comment, you guys are so sensitive, the truth hurts I guess
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    Bump it for the fourth.

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    if we're going to keep bumping this thread, maybe bjm could change the title to "stole" mini evo

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    Yep, needs a title change.

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    The Urban Dictionary definition of chumba is quite appropriate to this thread.


    http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7...%3fterm=Chumba

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    Title change sounds good. Any idea how to go bout it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ View Post
    Title change sounds good. Any idea how to go bout it?


    With a thread this old you'll probably have to contact a Moderator to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    With a thread this old you'll probably have to contact a Moderator to do it.
    Try to make sure you pick a mod that hasn't received some sort of "compensation" from Kaptain Kang-a-roo...I've heard tale of such things around here.

    Actually AMAZED this thread hasn't been locked yet really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azbeerguy View Post
    Try to make sure you pick a mod that hasn't received some sort of "compensation" from Kaptain Kang-a-roo...I've heard tale of such things around here.

    Actually AMAZED this thread hasn't been locked yet really.
    if they did lock it, it would be absolutely pathetic. what could their reasoning be? everything said here is true. you had a chumba distributor try to help bjm out and fail. chumba has done nothing to explain what happened and why, nor have they given the op a real time frame when he can expect his bike back. pathetic.

    if this thread was locked it would be sad for mtbr and its members. and would only reinforce the belief/opinion the the forums are catering to manufacturers over members

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    Keeping it clean and spreading only the truth.... nothing wrong with that.

    Would be nice to have someone with some respect for others step up and bring some answers to the forum. Thought that this Oscar guy might have been that person. Seems like he was a lost cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMJ View Post
    Keeping it clean and spreading only the truth.... nothing wrong with that.

    Would be nice to have someone with some respect for others step up and bring some answers to the forum. Thought that this Oscar guy might have been that person. Seems like he was a lost cause.
    i'm pretty sure oscar was an alan sock puppet account. he started out ok and then took the same smarmy tone alan was classic for. not answering concerns just telling poster to have fun on another brand.

    their website is still not updated for even the new hardtails. things don't look too promising for us sales. i see they opened another foreign distro though. i imagine their rep stateside is bad enough that they are concentrating offshore.

    i wonder what the evo2 buyers are being told? what was the webstore that had them listed for preorder? the one that used chumba's classic tactic of slagging the competition until it was pointed out theu were doing it

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    Still not returned?

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    Oscar did return my email yesterday. Current status puts things out 2 weeks. Cross my fingers and hope for the best.

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    for all si"s insistance that things are fine at chumba and that he had bjm's back. why didn;t he just have an hx1 shipped to bjm and have alan refund him? would have put bjm at ease, quieted all the b!tching and shown chumba isn't a bunch of crooks and that the company is stable. unless, like everyone else, si doesn't trust alan to do the right thing either.

    or for that matter why wouldn't chumba for the minor cost of shipping in the us, sent an hx1 to bjm months ago? or have had bjm pick an hx1 up from his local chumba dealer and crediting them instead of making him wait. or given him a ccdb like he originally asked for. they could have avoided all this negative crap and made their company look good instead of like dog 5h!t like it has on here for months now.

    i hope bjm gets his mini evo back and some compensation, but another 2 week promise when this all could have been solved for the cost of shipping two boxes within the us (one hx1 and 1 mini evo)? i wouldn't hold my breath

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Bump.
    Put the damn bike in a box and ship it, you lying, whiny losers!

    (they deleted my last post, probably due to Alan Kang whining about it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    Put the damn bike in a box and ship it, you lying, whiny losers!

    (they deleted my last post, probably due to Alan Kang whining about it.)
    i don't see why they would censor that? wtf?!? he still gets favorable treatment here after all the lies and now even theft? the new evo has been shipping in two weeks for about 6 months now. good luck bjm

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    I'm wondering if the Evo2 has run into patent problems in the US. No shipping of Evo2 = no shipping of mini-evo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwirider View Post
    I'm wondering if the Evo2 has run into patent problems in the US. No shipping of Evo2 = no shipping of mini-evo.
    no way it is, alan said no patent issues. funny there is one bike shop review from the us and one from singapore . and the only chumba guy who still posts is their uk distributor. alan admitted in a past thread that their us sales accounted for only a small part of their overall sales.

    maybe they've given up on the us market and are concentrating on areas where dw's patent isn't enforceable. they bragged on their blog they just signed a new distributor in norway. their blog's last 5 or so posts are all hardtail or horst link related. weird. you'd think if a new bike that they bragged about as the best do it all design around was only two weeks out there'd be at least one mention pf it in the last month. it's only been two weeks away for a year now.

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    I bought set of wheels off a guy in California, I'm in the UK. He sent them pretty standard post (we wanted cheap as possible).... they were here within 12 days.......

    Modern shipping has moved on a bit. Maybe Chumba keep the carbon footprint to a minimum by using rowing boats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibbs_ View Post
    I bought set of wheels off a guy in California, I'm in the UK. He sent them pretty standard post (we wanted cheap as possible).... they were here within 12 days.......

    Modern shipping has moved on a bit. Maybe Chumba keep the carbon footprint to a minimum by using rowing boats.
    exactly. and the guy isn't a manufacturer with a ups or fedex account and getting better deals on shipping than joe average. it's not here not because of shipping cost, but because it's never going to be here. is stopping all this negative press not worth the shipping charges? hell, guys were posting on chumba's facebook page that chumba stole the mini evo. deleted of course but not before people saw it.

    this oscar guy can't see that what, a hundred bucks for shipping would have made this die a long time ago.

    at this point the only guy who wins in this is bjm. there's no silver lining to chumba in this at this point.

    what are they going to do? brag "we returned the stolen property with a bonus 6 months after we swiped it and only after being shamed into on a public forum"

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    It could be that they have to get the copies of the mini to market before the proto can be returned to its rightful owner, that could make it much harder to support any claims of rights to the design. Just thinking out loud. Who knows, you might see copies of it @ We Be Toys next week.

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    I do believe that we have just witnessed the death of a bicycle company.

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