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    Looks like...

    ... I've found a tweener here: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=402712

    I wanted an XCL as an all conditions bike but wanted something for shuttling bike parks as well. I'm just a bit wary of the poor rear tire clearance. XCL or fluid, XCL or fluid, XCL or fluid... Arrgh! Help!
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    You can get some pretty beefy narrower tires. For example a 2.2" Michelin. I ran one on my DH bike for a while and it worked very well.

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    I run 2.4 schwalbe Big Bettys on my xcl. They clear.. but just barely, and they are a true 2.4 tire.

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    I'm not worried about clearance on the XCL (the broken stays do though. Yikes!). It's the fluid's that are iffy. Seeing the frame failures on the XCL makes me want to wait for the next gen of rear triangles. Some might say go Evo. I'm too light for an Evo and so is my riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bailout
    I'm not worried about clearance on the XCL (the broken stays do though. Yikes!). It's the fluid's that are iffy. Seeing the frame failures on the XCL makes me want to wait for the next gen of rear triangles. Some might say go Evo. I'm too light for an Evo and so is my riding.
    The stay failure is really minimal - we still have one of the lowest failure rates by industry standards (almost any bike will fail if you ride it hard enough - just like anything mechanical) - and we have one of the quickest turn around times for warranty problems. Don't let it worry you! But if you are going big a lot - the EVO is not a bad idea.

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    Jeez, talk about blowing things out of proportion...

    Everything I've read says (1) XCLs are not the only Horst Link bike that breaks seatstays, and (2) very few XCL owners actually have had seatstays break.

    This 220 lb. rider will take his XCL any day over anything lighter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chucko58
    Everything I've read says (1) XCLs are not the only Horst Link bike that breaks seatstays, and (2) very few XCL owners actually have had seatstays break.
    Exactly. In case the OP didn't notice, the Fluid is another Horst link bike, whose chainstays look wimpier than the XCL's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chucko58
    Jeez, talk about blowing things out of proportion...

    Everything I've read says (1) XCLs are not the only Horst Link bike that breaks seatstays, and (2) very few XCL owners actually have had seatstays break.

    This 220 lb. rider will take his XCL any day over anything lighter!

    I hear ya Chuck. I saw you cranking hard on your XCL going down Peters Creek. I was impressed by how stiff that bike is.



    I have to say, the Fluid looks cleaner and dare I say it, "sexier".

    I think either bike will serve me well but Chumba's customer service will probably seal the deal. Maybe I'm just being paranoid about frame strength. Heck, I can't even break my light tubed XC bike and I ride that harder than most people ride their AM bikes.
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    Yep, that was me. I think that was before I upgraded the brakes to 203 mm front and 185 rear.

    Being an enginerd, straight tubes and triangulation look sexy to me.

    I haven't had much need of Chumba's customer service. There was a minor parts snafu on my initial order that was promptly straightened out, and I've had to replace a derailleur hanger. But I've called a number of times with "what if?" questions, and the Chumba crew has always been responsive. More importantly, the bike itself has been rock solid.
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    I know that's you. I was there too. I'm the guy in the green shorts to your left with the grey chameleon. Vince and I went up table mtn while you escorted the other guy on the Scott bike back to the parking lot. I think it was the day after thanksgiving last year. Good riding with you btw

    So, if you were 130lbs like me, would you take the XCL to Northstar once to twice a year and hit the 4-6 foot drops (they all have nice trannies) on the double diamonds? I can't afford a big bike and my XC bike for epics is showing its age. I need to stop riding it before it becomes a safety risk.

    I try to use my other bike (chameleon) for epics but a hardtail just beats up my back after more than 15 miles of hard riding.

    Oh yeah, I'm a fan of triangles too. I just thought they can make bent tubes these days without weakening the whole structure. I'm obviously not an engineer-type so what do I know.
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    Oh yeah... I vaguely remember that ride. You guys were gluttons for punishment. I'm just a glutton.

    If I were 130 lbs. I'd probably be a XC racer. I don't do drops, so I can't really answer that question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bailout
    I know that's you. I was there too. I'm the guy in the green shorts to your left with the grey chameleon. Vince and I went up table mtn while you escorted the other guy on the Scott bike back to the parking lot. I think it was the day after thanksgiving last year. Good riding with you btw

    So, if you were 130lbs like me, would you take the XCL to Northstar once to twice a year and hit the 4-6 foot drops (they all have nice trannies) on the double diamonds? I can't afford a big bike and my XC bike for epics is showing its age. I need to stop riding it before it becomes a safety risk.

    I try to use my other bike (chameleon) for epics but a hardtail just beats up my back after more than 15 miles of hard riding.

    Oh yeah, I'm a fan of triangles too. I just thought they can make bent tubes these days without weakening the whole structure. I'm obviously not an engineer-type so what do I know.
    If it is twice a year 4-6 feet drops that should be no problem.

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    You guys should chill go for a ride and forget about the seat stays. I weigh in at 200lbs dry (no gear) and do drops every ride from 3 to 6 feet, love em. Don't worry about em the bike is stout and fun. Super stiff front triangle and solid rear. Now just try to find the fun.

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    I agree with Swatzu, I do sense a little bit of paranoia going around on this board

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    I run 2.35 Fat Alberts front and rear and there is no clearance issue whatsoever. Best tires ever, on the best bike ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bailout
    I'm not worried about clearance on the XCL (the broken stays do though. Yikes!). It's the fluid's that are iffy. Seeing the frame failures on the XCL makes me want to wait for the next gen of rear triangles. Some might say go Evo. I'm too light for an Evo and so is my riding.
    Try to find an early generation XCL, they weigh like 8 pounds , indestructible


    As for tire clearance,, that Fluid has a Big Betty on it, which is one PHATAZZ tire. I'm sure you can easily run all the 2.35 tire offerings.
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