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    Jones by Jeff Jones

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    My Jones Plus 24"
    I have also ordered a Jones Diamond unicrown frameset that is on it's way to me





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    Good news, I have been jonesin' for a Jones thread. Gotta keep up with the Jones, you know.

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    NZPeterG, did you ride in the Tour Aotearoa? How did your Jones plus perform?
    Are there any write ups on it?

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    My 25" Plus. Plus sized Plus?





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    Nice! I've been looking at other 29+ bikes but none of them get me going the way the Jones does.

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    Nice indeed! I volunteer to post the first Spaceframe.



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    Quote Originally Posted by phil_rad View Post
    NZPeterG, did you ride in the Tour Aotearoa? How did your Jones plus perform?
    Are there any write ups on it?
    Hi Phil
    I was to ride in Tour Aotearoa but got ill a month out!
    How would my Jones Plus go?
    Great offroad but with a 1000kms of Tarseal is would be slow.
    This is why I have ordered a 2nd Jones Diamond unicrown frameset for Bikepacking events with move faster parts.
    Any Jones is great



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    anybody tried running a Panaracer Fat b nimble in the back of a Diamond frame Jones? I know I've seen them fit in other 29ers like Karate Monkeys. I'd like to throw one on back for some more cush along with my 29+ front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edved37 View Post
    anybody tried running a Panaracer Fat b nimble in the back of a Diamond frame Jones? I know I've seen them fit in other 29ers like Karate Monkeys. I'd like to throw one on back for some more cush along with my 29+ front.
    Hi are you asking about 29 or 650b plus?


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    My Mones almost 10 years old and still going strong..
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    Hi are you asking about 29 or 650b plus?


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    Sorry I was wondering about a the 29+ fitting in the back of my 29er frame with rabbit holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edved37 View Post
    Sorry I was wondering about a the 29+ fitting in the back of my 29er frame with rabbit holes.
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    Jeff lists the Jones Diamond with room for a 2.55" 29er.
    So I think not, but I do know of a few people who have been riding with a 650b plus rear tyre (3.00x 650b) and a few with a matching 650b plus front.
    But a the front you can run a 29er Plus or a 26" X 4.? Fat bike tyres.
    Phone up Jeff or his staff about it.
    Jeff was very helpful to me.
    In a few weeks I can always try it out when my 2nd Jones (a diamond) comes in the post.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    Hi
    I do know of a few people who have been riding with a 650b plus rear tyre (3.00x 650b) and a few with a matching 650b plus front.Kiwi Pete from the Singletrack
    I would be interested in ride reports of the 650b plus equiped spaceframes. I can see it working very well, but how are they for ground clearance?

    On my fat front steel spaceframe Jones I have pedal strikes more often than any other bike I ride. I could compensate with the EBB but I am already at the limit of a true 42cm seatpost.

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    Im running a 26x4 front and a 27.5x3 dirt wizard in the rear on a 50mm mulefoot. I had to trim the side knobs about an 1/8th inch. This is on a steel space frame. Bottom bracket is a little lower than I would like but ill live with it. Ive had this bike for a few years now and this is the best set up ive had yet, Ill try to post a pic later if I can figure out how.

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    What has been the long-term durability of the truss-style fabricated fork assembly by Jeff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superleggera View Post
    What has been the long-term durability of the truss-style fabricated fork assembly by Jeff?
    Joops (post #12) has almost 10 yrs on his.

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    Well my 2nd Jones is in New Zealand.
    I have ordered most of the groupset for it.
    Have rear wheel waiting, have front rim but waiting on a Son28 135mm dymo hub.
    Have a box of small parts waiting.
    The groupset is Shimano XT M8000 3x11 speed yes that's 33 gears



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    Well my new 2nd Jones is here and I have started by coating the inside of the tubing with some Tectyl 506 (wax/oil rustprevention)
    Waiting on some parts still



    Looking forward to riding her.....



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    I'm going to be pulling the trigger on one of the 148TA Pluses shortly but the sizing has really been an issue for me. The standover on the 24" Diamond Plus is 31.5", which would be nut-crushingly tight for me, but the standover on the 23" Spaceframe Plus drops to 26.5", which seems sort of low. I'm a shade over 5'8", and the ideal standover height for me would be around 29". I'm not so concerned about reach as that is adjustable to a degree, but I'm having trouble deciding on which way to go with regard to standover. Any thoughts from the current riders?

    (Sadly, a test ride is not an option for me, closest dealer is a few hundred miles away.)

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    Hi I'm 5'7" tall and have short legs for my height.
    I have a Jones Plus 24" and the standover where I stand over my Jones is 30.5"
    The 31.5" is at the midpoint of the toptube.
    Any more questions just ask away, or phone Jeff as he is very very helpful.
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    Due to the design, the Space frame will have much lower standover height than a comparably sized regular diamond frame. Don't worry about it being too low.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrkT View Post
    I'm going to be pulling the trigger on one of the 148TA Pluses shortly but the sizing has really been an issue for me. The standover on the 24" Diamond Plus is 31.5", which would be nut-crushingly tight for me, but the standover on the 23" Spaceframe Plus drops to 26.5", which seems sort of low. I'm a shade over 5'8", and the ideal standover height for me would be around 29". I'm not so concerned about reach as that is adjustable to a degree, but I'm having trouble deciding on which way to go with regard to standover. Any thoughts from the current riders?

    (Sadly, a test ride is not an option for me, closest dealer is a few hundred miles away.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    Due to the design, the Space frame will have much lower standover height than a comparably sized regular diamond frame. Don't worry about it being too low.
    ^^ Agreed. This is kind of the whole point of the space frame. (Or half of it at least, if you're talking titanium and the extra vertical compliance that those give you.) Think of it like a mixte.

    I'm just shy of 6'-2", have the space frame 29, and chose it over the diamond frame mostly for the extra clearance. Even if you don't "need" it, clearance is a great thing to have and will make you ride more confidently and worry less. I find myself pushing the edge and trying to ride things that I otherwise wouldn't on another bike, when I knew there was a good chance of having to choose between ditching the bike onto rocks or smacking my nuts if I didn't make it.

    At 5'-8", I can't imagine why the 23" spaceframe Plus wouldn't fit you perfectly, and I can't imagine picking a diamond frame when the space frame is an option. You're lucky! I don't know if a 24" or 25" spaceframe version of the plus is in the cards, but that's what I'm holding out for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edved37 View Post
    Sorry I was wondering about a the 29+ fitting in the back of my 29er frame with rabbit holes.
    What year is your frame? I think Jeff increased the clearance in late 2013 or early 2014, right?

    I can't speak to the diamond frame directly but, assuming the chainstays have the tightest clearance, and assuming they are the same as the chainstays on my spaceframe, then it might just work.

    I switched from a 2.4 ardent to the 29+ fat b nimble last summer, and it works GREAT! I'll never go back. (I posted some pictures in the fat b nimble thread and one of the main Jones threads.)

    It might be too tight on a rabbit hole rim, but it works well on my dually rim. Not "huge" clearance, but perfectly adequate for a hack like me - about 4 1/2 to 5mm clearance at 15 psi. Like all manufactures, Jeff's rating is probably pretty conservative. I think they are required to specify max tire sizes based on 7mm clearance, and using max rated tire pressure - which is silly because you'd never actually run a 3" tire at 35 psi. (FBN is really more like a 2.8 or so)

    The only problem with this setup is that the diameter gets so big, that it becomes difficult to match with a good fat front tire. I'm now using a 26x4.8 knard which is the correct diameter, but has too much volume. Compared to a 4" or 4.5" tire, it starts to feel like I'm steering a damn fat bike instead of a precision, trail slicing jones. I think the forthcoming 27x4.5 trek/bontrager barbegazi is going to solve this problem though!
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    Gonna go buy a lottery ticket today. The 148TA Titanium Jones Plus is now available for pre-order.

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    Anybody who's had both regular and Plus Jones care to elaborate on differences? Pretty tempted to sell mine for a Plus.

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    Hi All,

    I am very inclined to purchase a Plus version.

    I am wondering if anyone has used regular non plus 29 tire on 50mm rims in their Plus frame for road or gravel touring. I am thinking of an application like Peter G's TourAotearoa but I can't afford two frames, however, I can probably manage two sets of tires ;-)

    Has anyone here got any experience they can share?

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    I really like the way my Plus does... everything... so I was excited when I bought some 2.3" Schwalbe Big One slicks for it, so I could ride on the road. Unfortunately, the combination of the WTB Scraper rim (45mm) and the relatively skinny tire moved the handling from faultless to pretty bad: a very choppy, uneven cornering feel. I think the rim was too wide for the tire, squaring off the sidewall too much. Put the 3" tire back on, and all was well.

    If you're going to ride various tire sizes, I'd strongly suggest something like a 35mm rim instead. That works fine across a wide range of tire sizes.

    Quote Originally Posted by wingoed View Post
    Hi All,

    I am very inclined to purchase a Plus version.

    I am wondering if anyone has used regular non plus 29 tire on 50mm rims in their Plus frame for road or gravel touring. I am thinking of an application like Peter G's TourAotearoa but I can't afford two frames, however, I can probably manage two sets of tires ;-)

    Has anyone here got any experience they can share?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rollingout View Post
    Anybody who's had both regular and Plus Jones care to elaborate on differences? Pretty tempted to sell mine for a Plus.
    I haven't owned either, but I'm about two weeks away from getting Jeff started on a 24" Plus for me. This section from his website sums the differences up pretty well though:
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    The differences between the two types are: the Jones Plus is a long wheelbase frame and fork specifically designed to be used with 29x3” tires. It is long and stable, yet still nimble because the geometry has been tuned to make the most of the larger wheels; it’s a frameset that puts you much more “in” the bike because the wheels are farther out in front and behind you, and this is part of what makes it a peerless bikepacking bike. The Jones 29, on the other hand, is extremely nimble and playful. It has a short wheelbase that shines in the most technical situations and highlights the precise handling that a rigid bicycle can give when paired with great geometry. Unlike most short wheelbase bikes, the Jones 29 doesn’t feel harsh or unbalanced because it fits and rides like a Jones: it’s balanced, and you—the rider—are centered over the bottom bracket, which allows you to easily move over the front end when climbing, and back over the rear end when descending. The Jones 29 allows you to thread your way through the tightest rock gardens, where the Plus is the bike that just rolls over anything and everything. For those who see themselves spending most of their time riding gravel, doing all-day, all-terrain rides, or who just want a bike that’s calm and collected wherever it finds itself, the Jones Plus has the edge. For those who ride in rocky, log-strewn playgrounds where most of the time is spent hopping up and over rocks while navigating a switchback, the Jones 29 has the edge. The Jones 29 feels decidedly playful, while the Jones Plus feels calm and collected. Both love to go fast, and will leave you feeling fresh and ready for more!

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    This post on the Jones blog also talks about the difference in riding feel between the Plus and standard bike (a ti spaceframe): Jones Bikes ? A ride in the woods

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    As I get ever closer to dropping--what would be for me--an obscene pile of cash on a steel Jones Plus, I keep getting more and more nervous about size. At 5'8" a comfortable standover height for me is about 28 or 29". The standover on the 24" Plus is 31-1/2"; the 23" is 26-1/2". I'm tempted to give up the huge framebag of the 24" for the more comfortable standover, but then the reach on the 23" Spaceframe version seems like it would be too short. So I guess my dilemna is: 24" Diamond frame with uncomfortable standover or 23" Spaceframe with overly generous standover and short reach (maybe a setback seat post would fix the reach issue)?

    Unfortunately, there aren't any Jones dealers near me. I'll be "buying blind" based on a lot of guesswork. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrkT View Post
    As I get ever closer to dropping--what would be for me--an obscene pile of cash on a steel Jones Plus, I keep getting more and more nervous about size. At 5'8" a comfortable standover height for me is about 28 or 29". The standover on the 24" Plus is 31-1/2"; the 23" is 26-1/2". I'm tempted to give up the huge framebag of the 24" for the more comfortable standover, but then the reach on the 23" Spaceframe version seems like it would be too short. So I guess my dilemna is: 24" Diamond frame with uncomfortable standover or 23" Spaceframe with overly generous standover and short reach (maybe a setback seat post would fix the reach issue)?

    Unfortunately, there aren't any Jones dealers near me. I'll be "buying blind" based on a lot of guesswork. :/
    Without having ridden the plus, I can only assume that the experience/fit will be similar to that of the 29 and, if so, I'd say don't worry about reach at all. You simply can't try to rely on your experiences and biases from typical bikes, and expect them to inform how the Jones will fit. There are tons of stories in the main Jones threads, from tall guys like me who hemmed and hawed over the same reach/length worry for years on the 23" 29 bike, before finally jumping in, and for whom it works beautifully.

    You will end up with MUCH more saddle setback than you're used to. Push it beyond what you think reasonable and, once you get used to it, anything else will feel wrong. You will have to stand to shift your weight forward, in order to climb. The bars will be closer and higher than you're used to (though less so for you than for an even taller person). But remember that this also brings your torso into a more upright position, which makes your shoulders retreat further to the rear of the bike, which increases the distance from the bars.

    Jeff's videos and website do a much better job of explaining why the bike is designed to work this way than I ever could, though. I know that there are those who resist it and try to mimic the old xc/norba position they're used to, with low bars and steep effective seat tube angles, and yet still like the bike anyway - but I think they're missing the best part of the experience.
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    I run a 23 spaceframe with a set back Thomson 410 and a 70mm stem with a wide bar and not much sweep. Im 5'11" with long arms. I don't notice the seat being to far back and with you being 5'8" don't thing you need a set back post at all. I know of a lot of guys well over 6' on 23" Jones. Honestly I don't get the plus frame geo at all. Touring bike paking maybe that's it.

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    I think I'm just going to make the three-hour trek to the nearest dealer for the best fit. I'll be mostly commuting and doing weekly overnights on it for the next two years, but the real purpose for the bike will be a three-year tour beginning in May of 2018. I'm hoping the test rides will be next-level in terms of comfort.

    Thanks for the suggestions.

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    Well my second Jones is stick waiting for a Son 28 dynamo hub



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    I just gonna say this a walk away, but if Jeff would make a Space frame I could use a suspension fork on (preferably 120mm) I would very likely buy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_papa_nuts View Post
    I just gonna say this a walk away, but if Jeff would make a Space frame I could use a suspension fork on (preferably 120mm) I would very likely buy one.
    Hi so why would you look at a Jones Spaceframe if your looking to use a Suspension fork?

    Jeff Jones bikes are so good because he makes his bikes ride the best it can with out.

    Almost all bikes are make to run a Spring fork and Jeff is not into springs.

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    Anyone interested in selling a Diamond frame and fork?

    I've posted in the Classifieds, but figured I'd try here too. Can also trade a 29+ for a Jones.

    Thanks.
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    Those with a Plus: can you measure the wheelbase? Interested in the 24" but measurements for 25" would do as well. Can't seem to find it anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollingout View Post
    Those with a Plus: can you measure the wheelbase? Interested in the 24" but measurements for 25" would do as well. Can't seem to find it anywhere.
    I think it is 47" on my 24" Plus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    I think it is 47" on my 24" Plus.

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    Thanks. Actually found it buried in the blog.

    Jones Bikes ? Jones Plus ? This is it.

    "24″ wheel base is 1175mm / 46.26″ and 25″ wheel base is 1205mm /47.44″

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    Your Jones Plus

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    Hi Kiwi Pete,
    I hear you might be selling your Jones Plus? Is there a way I can get in contact with you? I have a friend who might be interested. I'm in the South Island and on a Jones Plus 25" and my friends have taken note of how much I rave about "The Jones" and my previous 29 steel SpaceFrame! I'm also very interested to know if your new red Jones 29 is/was intended to complement your Plus or replace it. I chose to replace my SpaceFrame with the Plus,and so far (after only two rides mind you) I am confident I made the right decision (for me).
    Thanks, Martin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbudd View Post
    Hi Kiwi Pete,
    I hear you might be selling your Jones Plus? Is there a way I can get in contact with you? I have a friend who might be interested. I'm in the South Island and on a Jones Plus 25" and my friends have taken note of how much I rave about "The Jones" and my previous 29 steel SpaceFrame! I'm also very interested to know if your new red Jones 29 is/was intended to complement your Plus or replace it. I chose to replace my SpaceFrame with the Plus,and so far (after only two rides mind you) I am confident I made the right decision (for me).
    Thanks, Martin.
    Hi Martin
    I PM you with my details
    1st ride this afternoon on my new Jones

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    A great review of a Jones Plus ☺

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    My new Jones Diamond set up with a new Shimano XT FD-M8000-H side swing front derailleur worked out great with a few single cable mounts thanks to Jeff Jones for having the two upper bolt mounts ☺
    The Side Swing front derailleur shifts so much better than an old model front derailleur.


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    NZPeterG - Why the switch to a regular Jones from the Plus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollingout View Post
    NZPeterG - Why the switch to a regular Jones from the Plus?
    Hi Because it's faster

    Still have my Plus too

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    Hi Because it's faster

    Still have my Plus too

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    What front wheel & tire do you run on your regular Jones? Tires/rims on plus?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    Hi Because it's faster

    Still have my Plus too

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    How does the unicrown feel after riding the truss fork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TooSteep View Post
    What front wheel & tire do you run on your regular Jones? Tires/rims on plus?

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    Hi
    My front wheel on my Jones 29er is
    WTB KOM 23i rim laced to a Son28 Dynamo hub with DT Swiss spokes

    My Jones Plus is
    WTB SCRAPER rim laced to a Jones 142x15 hub with DT Swiss spokes

    Tyres 29er is Vintage WTB 2.55LT x 29" to be replaced with a Maxxis Ikon 2.35 x 29" EXO TR.

    Plus tyre are going to be a pair of Maxxis 3.00 x 29"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gulljammer View Post
    How does the unicrown feel after riding the truss fork?
    Hi
    My Jones 29er and my Jones Plus are not the same to start with!
    With the Truss fork it's stuff and great under very hard braking, great riding and the bike as a whole is the best 29+ made at this time!

    With a Unicrown forked Jones I can run my Revelate Design SWEETROLL much closer to the front of the frame for better handling when Bikepacking

    I also like the old standard of QR better..

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    Hoping for some first hand knowledge from the folks that own a steel spaceframe... Have a rear wheel with a rabbit hole rim and had trouble with a 2.4 tire rubbing the frame badly.

    What are some of the set ups you all have? I'd like to run a 2.4. Thoughts about it fitting with a blunt 35 rim?

    Thank you for the help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kansasbike View Post
    Hoping for some first hand knowledge from the folks that own a steel spaceframe... Have a rear wheel with a rabbit hole rim and had trouble with a 2.4 tire rubbing the frame badly.

    What are some of the set ups you all have? I'd like to run a 2.4. Thoughts about it fitting with a blunt 35 rim?

    Thank you for the help!
    Hi kansasbike,

    I bought a Steel SpaceFrame in 2011 and I rode it for 5 years. I used 35mm P35/Blunts for 4 years then 50mm Rabbit Holes. The fattest tyre I got to fit comfortably into the rear stays on both rims was the Specialized Purgatory Control 29x2.4 and it was/is excellent. It had about 5mm clearance either side between the tyre and the stays.

    To take the "fattest rear tyre" concept further, I have just replaced the SpaceFrame with a 25" Jones Plus. Both awesome bikes, but the Plus fits me better. At 191cm/6'3" I was always a little cramped on the SpaceFrame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kansasbike View Post
    Hoping for some first hand knowledge from the folks that own a steel spaceframe... Have a rear wheel with a rabbit hole rim and had trouble with a 2.4 tire rubbing the frame badly.

    What are some of the set ups you all have? I'd like to run a 2.4. Thoughts about it fitting with a blunt 35 rim?

    Thank you for the help!
    Might be good to know what year your frame is. I'm pretty sure Jeff talked about the rear clearance increasing somewhere around 2014, so the feedback you get here may or may not be valid based on that. On the other hand, it was primarily the seatstays that changed (got thinner) so, unless the chainstays were re-worked too, it might not matter, since those are probably the critical clearance point, even on the older ones (definitely the case on the newer steel frames and probably the case on all Ti frames) Maybe someone here knows.

    On my later steel frame, I used the 49mm Velocity Dually rim (wider than the P35/blunt, but same design) with 2.4 ardents, and really liked the profile and lack of squirmyness at low pressure. This is/was the combination Jeff uses himself most often on full builds, and there are lots of pictures of it on his website or facebook page. However, I was getting rim strikes too often, so I switched to a 29x3 Panaracer Fat B Nimble, on the same rim. Being undersized (really about a 2.8) it fits fine and was a huge improvement. But it is about as big as you could go. There's no way the tire would fit on a Rabbit Hole. I don't think it would even work on Jeff's new rim, which seems to fall somewhere between the Dually and Rabbit Hole.

    As for tires, it seems like some other 29+ tires are coming out too, that might be in this same "tweener" size range - bigger than traditional 2.4s, but not as maxed-out as the really big plus sizes, and that's a great thing for MANY "non-plus" bikes - not just the Spaceframe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    Hi
    My Jones 29er and my Jones Plus are not the same to start with!
    With the Truss fork it's stuff and great under very hard braking, great riding and the bike as a whole is the best 29+ made at this time!

    With a Unicrown forked Jones I can run my Revelate Design SWEETROLL much closer to the front of the frame for better handling when Bikepacking

    I also like the old standard of QR better..

    Kiwi Pete
    Any specific reason you went with a derailleur on this bike vs. the Rohloff on your Plus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fyrmd View Post
    Any specific reason you went with a derailleur on this bike vs. the Rohloff on your Plus?
    Hi
    Yes more gear range! Always found the a Rohloff gearhub gear ratio range was to little for me with only 520%.
    I like the Shimano XT 3×11

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    I've got a demo/loaner diamond/truss 29er coming and I'm really looking forward to seeing how it handles mixed-terrain rides. Photos to follow (when it arrives).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAVELBIKE View Post
    I've got a demo/loaner diamond/truss 29er coming and I'm really looking forward to seeing how it handles mixed-terrain rides. Photos to follow (when it arrives).
    I just put a pair of 700x40c's on my Spaceframe for similar rides. Really suprised how smooth it still is offroad and so much quicker on. I wont be heading for the rooty singletrack any time soon though, its not THAT smooth

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin_uk View Post
    I just put a pair of 700x40c's on my Spaceframe for similar rides. Really suprised how smooth it still is offroad and so much quicker on. I wont be heading for the rooty singletrack any time soon though, its not THAT smooth
    Jeff spec'd Schwalbe Super Moto 2.35" tires for this bike, so it should be pretty capable on the trails that aren't too rocky.
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    How wide are the rims on there? I tried riding with a 2.3" Schwalbe Big One on my WTB Scraper, and really didn't like the way it handled--I think the tire was too squared off. I'm wondering what rim Jeff spec'd for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    How wide are the rims on there? I tried riding with a 2.3" Schwalbe Big One on my WTB Scraper, and really didn't like the way it handled--I think the tire was too squared off. I'm wondering what rim Jeff spec'd for you.
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    How do people find the sizing on the space frame. Looking at a potential steel space frame build but at 6ft i'm slightly worried about sizing. Any other 6 footers out there that can tell me what stem / seatpost they are riding

    Also can you get over the back. I'm so used to running a dropper now but think i will need to run a layback

    Also how does the Jones ride in steep technical / rocky terrain?

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    search is your friend, all your queries have been discussed in this and other threads.

    FWIW I am 6'2" and I am fine with a layback post, 90mm stem and a Jones H-bar. Imho the Jones bar is an integral part of the concept. The bike was made for technical riding, read up on the Jones website, but being from Holland others here are more qualified to comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenz43 View Post
    search is your friend, all your queries have been discussed in this and other threads.
    ^^ Yes, this. Anyone with such questions should take time to read through these two, at least, even though they're older now:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/jo...me-701897.html

    http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/tai-jones-685557.html


    For what it's worth, one of the things you'll learn from these discussions is the fact that the 29 spaceframe was originally designed to fit Jeff himself, who happens to be 6' tall. The design works really well for anyone a couple of inches shorter or taller than that, while everybody else has to make minor compromises.

    (For instance, a taller person may need a longer stem than ideal, which would make the steering feel a tiny bit slower. A shorter person will end up with a steeper effective seat tube angle, which will affect weight distribution relative to the rear wheel, perhaps making the front end feel heavier.)

    Compared to a bike designed for a traditional, stretched-out XC type fit though, those compromises are much smaller. The more upright riding position, which is arguably more correct anyway and definitely the way this bike is intended to be used, means that the relationship between a rider's height and the top tube length is not nearly as critical.
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    Can someone with a diamond frame measure the straight-line distance from the center of the bottom bracket to the very top of the seat tube? I'm doing a BikeCad rendering to get an idea on how a Jones Diamond frame would fit me.

    Thanks!

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    Hi
    Phone Jeff and he'll set one up to your sizing and sent you photo's of it set up for you.
    Jeff is so helpful to talk too.

    I'm 1.72 metres tall and love my Jones Diamond

    I just sold my Jones Plus as for me it was just too big (handlebars too high) plus the Plus tyres are great on the dirt but for me too slow on the tarseal.

    Phone Jeff Jones

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    Does anyone know where to get a geometry chart for a Jones? In particular the 23" spaceframe?

    What I really need are seat- tube height and stack due to my personal fit issues. If I get a Jones frameset, it won't be for a couple of years. I need to plan how much to spend.
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    This image from the old jonesbikes.com website (not sure if it is somewhere on the current one) is the closest I've seen to a geo chart for the standard Jones:

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    Quote Originally Posted by david.p View Post
    This image from the old jonesbikes.com website (not sure if it is somewhere on the current one) is the closest I've seen to a geo chart for the standard Jones:

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    I've been looking for a solution to carry more water/stuff on the truss fork. Looks like I'll be problem-free soon!

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    Hi guys, thinking of getting a Spaceframe 29 frameset, was wondering if I could just use my current rear wheel from my El Mariachi. I have a Hope 2 Pro Evo on the rear 135 QR. Will this work? Thanks!

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    Hmm - i just posted question about fit on the Jones Plus. I have a jones Plus 148TA 24 on the way as we speak and am now stressing a bit about fit. My road bike only has a ETT length of 22-23". I'm about 5'-9"- 5'-10"

    How is the reach for you. Stem length? My stand over on my road bike is about 32" so not as concerned with that. Maybe a little more would be good but sounds Ok. Mostly thinking about reach.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stremf View Post
    I've been looking for a solution to carry more water/stuff on the truss fork. Looks like I'll be problem-free soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoLB View Post
    Hi guys, thinking of getting a Spaceframe 29 frameset, was wondering if I could just use my current rear wheel from my El Mariachi. I have a Hope 2 Pro Evo on the rear 135 QR. Will this work? Thanks!
    If you're talking about the regular Spaceframe (non-Plus), then it will work. It's just a regular 29er 135mm QR.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Bromley View Post
    Hmm - i just posted question about fit on the Jones Plus. I have a jones Plus 148TA 24 on the way as we speak and am now stressing a bit about fit. My road bike only has a ETT length of 22-23". I'm about 5'-9"- 5'-10"

    How is the reach for you. Stem length? My stand over on my road bike is about 32" so not as concerned with that. Maybe a little more would be good but sounds Ok. Mostly thinking about reach.

    Thanks!
    Don't worry about it. Jones frames have a pretty high stack height, and plus if you use a Loop bar, reach won't be a problem. You'll be just fine on the 24.

    Yeah, I've seen those already. Problem with those type of bags is, they eliminate the middle hand positions. You could probably loosen the straps enough to make it work, though. It would be a nice supplement to the truss bags.

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    thanks a bunch!

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    Thanks for your encouragement! I'm a worrier by habit so nice to hear!

    It's shipping this week - last minute jitters I guess.

    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stremf View Post
    If you're talking about the regular Spaceframe (non-Plus), then it will work. It's just a regular 29er 135mm QR.



    Don't worry about it. Jones frames have a pretty high stack height, and plus if you use a Loop bar, reach won't be a problem. You'll be just fine on the 24.



    Yeah, I've seen those already. Problem with those type of bags is, they eliminate the middle hand positions. You could probably loosen the straps enough to make it work, though. It would be a nice supplement to the truss bags.
    Hi this is miss leading!

    The none Plus Spaceframe are:
    Steel 135mm QR
    Ti 142mm TA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Bromley View Post
    Hmm - i just posted question about fit on the Jones Plus. I have a jones Plus 148TA 24 on the way as we speak and am now stressing a bit about fit. My road bike only has a ETT length of 22-23". I'm about 5'-9"- 5'-10"

    How is the reach for you. Stem length? My stand over on my road bike is about 32" so not as concerned with that. Maybe a little more would be good but sounds Ok. Mostly thinking about reach.

    Thanks!
    Hi it's going to be a great fit.
    I'm 1.71m tall and the 24" Jones Plus was just to big for me.
    I had one for a year and now sold it.
    If I was to buy a new Jones Plus it would be ordering a 23" Plus Spaceframe.
    But the riding I do a standard 29er is better because on my rides I have 80kms of Singletracks then 50km (+) of tarseal before 60kms of Singletracks again.
    I found out that the 29+ is to slow for me on the tarseal.
    My next planned Jones is a Spaceframe Ti 29er to go with my Jones Diamond Bikepacking adventure bike

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    Thanks very much!

    I'm excited to get it.

    I'll check in after I get a chance to ride it!

    Best,

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    Hi this is miss leading!

    The none Plus Spaceframe are:
    Steel 135mm QR
    Ti 142mm TA

    Spaceframe Plus
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    All the best



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    Thanks for clearing that up. Didn't know Ti SF went to 142mm. But since the guy's using Hope hubs, conversion caps are available, if he's planning on going Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stremf View Post
    Thanks for clearing that up. Didn't know Ti SF went to 142mm. But since the guy's using Hope hubs, conversion caps are available, if he's planning on going Ti.
    Yes
    with a Hope hub 135mm QR and 142mm TA are straight forward.

    148mm TA is a new hub to take the advance of a stronger wheel.

    Have a good day
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    Hi guys, just got my spaceframe and started the build, was wondering about the headset spacers. I have the truss fork and the jones headset for it, just that there's a bit of a gap between the cone and the cup with a 5mm spacer below and a 5mm spacer up top. Is this due to a lack of spacers?

    I had to pull up the top part of the fork to squeeze that spacer in, and the spacer sits snugly. But there is a bit of a gap between the cone and cup on both top and bottom.

    Is this normal? I haven't installed the starnut yet though, still need to check where I want my stem once my front wheel is done. Will the top bolt compress that gap? Or is the star nut even necessary given we already have a top truss clamp?

    Thanks guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoLB View Post
    Hi guys, just got my spaceframe and started the build, was wondering about the headset spacers. I have the truss fork and the jones headset for it, just that there's a bit of a gap between the cone and the cup with a 5mm spacer below and a 5mm spacer up top. Is this due to a lack of spacers?

    I had to pull up the top part of the fork to squeeze that spacer in, and the spacer sits snugly. But there is a bit of a gap between the cone and cup on both top and bottom.

    Is this normal? I haven't installed the starnut yet though, still need to check where I want my stem once my front wheel is done. Will the top bolt compress that gap? Or is the star nut even necessary given we already have a top truss clamp?

    Thanks guys!
    You'll need these micro-shims:

    https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...s.php?id=21855

    Dont use it the way you forced the larger spacer in, because the faces won't be parallel. (Your "gap" is wedge shaped)

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamkeith View Post
    You'll need these micro-shims:

    https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...s.php?id=21855

    Dont use it the way you forced the larger spacer in, because the faces won't be parallel. (Your "gap" is wedge shaped)

    Congrats on the new bike.
    Cool, thank you very much!

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    The headset was fine, just needed to put in a bigger spacer in between clamps. Thanks guys.

    Currently running a Chronicle up front and an Ikon+ in the rear.

    The geo is amazing, I haven't been riding for around 3 weeks before I got the bike and I was able to easily clear climbs that I plain just couldn't before. It's like it's less tiring, and the sort.

    Don't mind the non drive side, the pic was for showing the bell lol.

    I kinda wish I got the diamond and the unicrown fork just so it would be super stealthy.

    Currently running a ton of spacers above the top clamp to keep the handlebars above saddle level. I'm in between 5'6 and 5'7 but I like this position because of my back.

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    Nah, you did right - the unicrown is the boring fork

    Seriously, the truss fork and its integration and synergy with the rest of the bike is a standout feature of the Jones experience

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    Thanks, will probably be the one bike for me.

    My brother is interested in getting a Jones as well after he took my bike out. But now he's torn between a Jones or a Stooge (he was gonna get one but ran out of units, so he's waiting for the MK3).

    I kinda want him to get a Stooge though so I can try how it feels, though might be hard getting it shipped to Asia.

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    The Stooge is great bike, especially considering the price - I owned one for 18 months, but was too small for me

    I bought a 25" Jones Plus to give perspective and it's probably one of the first bikes of many I've owned over the years that fits

    I'm considering buying a Mk3 Stooge to run 27.5+ as I wouldn't like to run that size on the Jones

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    Good to hear, I'll let my brother know.

    But yeah, loving this bike.

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    What wheel size are you running? 29 or 27.5 front ?

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    29x3 up front, 27.5x2.8 rear

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    Ive been thinking about that. Right now Im running a dirt wizard 27.5 x3.0 rear and a 26x4.0 nate in front . I did trim the rear side knobs just a bit. Im kinda worried about toe overlap on the front wheel. I have the same frame but with a unicrown fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoLB View Post
    29x3 up front, 27.5x2.8 rear
    Inreasing the rolling diameter of the front wheel whilst reducing it in the rear.
    Doesn't that upset the carefully crafted characteristics of the Spaceframe?

    I have a 29x2.4 in the back and a 26x4 fat front in my steel Spaceframe. My wheelman is buiding me a 29" front wheel. I want to try it with a matched front wheels and feel what it does to the ride and handling.

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    Well possibly; the higher front end means I have to lean forward more when standing on climbs for really steep climbs, but not really a problem.

    I ran 650b+ 2.8 ikons. I love the ikons but it lowered the bb a bit much, there's a ton of rocky sections here.

    I then ran my old 2.25 ardent up front and crossmark rear (will probably try 2.35 ikons one of these days) and it was zippy but I liked the traction of the b+ rear. Though these were on 28mm rims, not the rabbit hole I have now.

    So went 29+ up front, and it's been great so far. Higher front also makes it easier for me to pop the front up when needed, but as mentioned, just need to lean a bit more forward on climbs than when I did on the other two pairs of wheels.

    But basically this will most likely be my one bike for a number of years. I've started selling off old bikes, and will just stock wheelsets now for what I plan to ride.

    Oh and will this work as a front hub?

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    I know the hope 4 fat front hub works as I've seen a pic of that, but which novatech one would I need? Thanks.

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    Well I had a blue Jones Plus 24" which I liked a lot but sold it because it was just to big for me.
    So then I build up a Jones Diamond 23" and this is almost my size ( it's working for me)

    But with the all new Jones 23" Spaceframe Plus at last Jeff has made a smaller Jones (that's Jones sizing) if you look up about rider sizing it's all me at 1.71m tall. So I have started planning.

    My Jones Diamond is all setup for a upcoming Bikepacking adventure/event next month.
    Kiwi Brevet 2017.

    Planning to post a few photos from the road/tracks

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    I just picked up a Jones Plus yesterday. It seems like it's going to be a perfect bike for my upcoming Great Divide ride.

    Will someone please post close up pictures of their handlebar bag setup. I have only messed with the bag for a minute but it doesn't seem like there will be very much room for the roll bag between the fork and bars. Any tips or suggestions on best way to mount would be great.

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    What crankset you running on the 148 plus? Well what is the build up? Rotors etc? 180 or up the ante to 203?
    99% certain I'm going this route and may as well start collecting parts.....
    Look forward to any input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcksqrl View Post
    What crankset you running on the 148 plus? Well what is the build up? Rotors etc? 180 or up the ante to 203?
    99% certain I'm going this route and may as well start collecting parts.....
    Look forward to any input.

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    Hi
    With the Jones 148 Plus you need to run a B Specified crank.
    148mm = Boost Spec
    With Plus tyres I run 203mm front and 180mm rear.


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    I'm curious about the Diamond frame with a truss fork. There is a lot of general info on his web site but I can't seem to find anything referencing geometry. It appears there is only one size diamond frame? I'm 5'9", thoughts?

    It looks like most people us his H-Bars or some variety of alt bars. I have very little interest in using any type of alt bar and would prefer to us a standard flat bar. Am I missing something here?

    Steel vs Ti truss fork?

    Possible dumb question. When running a truss fork, can the head angle be altered by swapping spacers from above and below the headtube?

    Also, will there be a 29" diamond frame and fork with thru axles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    Hi
    With the Jones 148 Plus you need to run a B Specified crank.
    148mm = Boost Spec
    With Plus tyres I run 203mm front and 180mm rear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    - It appears there is only one size diamond frame? I'm 5'9", thoughts?

    - Am I missing something here?
    - Steel vs Ti truss fork?
    - can the head angle be altered?
    I'll have a stab in order of the questions

    Jones design fits range of sizes, I'm 6'2" and my spaceframe works for me, though it is shorter than any other bike I ride. The Spaceframe has excellent standover clearance, but cannot comment on the diamond frame.

    Frankly, maybe you do miss "the point". Jeff's designs centre on a very different concept of posture on the bike and the Jones bar is integral to that concept. There's good Youtube video material on this. FWIW I use various alt bars and used a Jones bar on a standard geometry frame. And there it was just another alt bar. Then I used the same bar on the Jones Spaceframe and it all came together. I now "get it".

    Steel vs Ti truss is a matter of budget to me. Toy budget that is, so no rational arguments needed (nor applicable).

    Why would you want to change the head angle? Did you ride it? I used an a-typical lower bar position for quite a while on the Spaceframe. It took time and a decent Jones vieo explaining the concept to realise that maybe I was not getting all the benefits that way. YMMV but have a go first.

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    The Loop bars (only alt bars I've tried on my Jones Plus) do certainly 'work' on the Jones bike

    I tried a flat bar to begin with but the Loop gets you where the bike works better for you

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    For me, the Jones bar is great when I have it set up geared. For Singlespeed, standing and mashing puts the hands at a weird angle/position. I like flat(ter) bars for SS.

    Steel vs Ti forks--As said above, if money's not an issue, go Ti. Otherwise, steel rides fantastic.

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    My 3rd Jones!

    Well I had a Jones Plus 24" (Blue) which I liked but was just too big for me! So I sold it and replaced it with a Jones Diamond 29"er with Unicrown fork which I like a lot but it's also a little too big so I have just ordered my 3rd Jones (I'll have 2 now on).
    So which one have I ordered this time?
    A Jones 23" Spaceframe Plus 148 TA in black this time around (my 1st Black Jones) my build details to come with build photo's along the way.
    I'm going to build it up for next years Tour Aotearoa 3000km's from top to bottom of New Zealand Tour Aotearoa 2018

    Adventures await we my Jones

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    After 2 years riding the fat front I have commissioned my wheelman Zoran to build me a matching 29er front wheel for the Jones. Stan's FLow EX on Hope Fatsno with an old model Racing Ralph 2.4 at 1.2 bar.

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    And I did a classic Jones 6 speed conversion on the rear Hope Singlespeed hub. FItted the carrier with 6 largest cogs of an 9speed XTR 950 cassette, 17t to 34t and a clean fit no spacers needed. An XTR970 derailleur fitted with an extra long B-screw hooks up to a 9-speed Dura Ace downtube commander mounted on a Paul's Thumbie. Plan is to make it a 7-speed by machining the backside of the carrier to create room for a 15t on the other end.

    The older Ralph 2.4 is my favourite tyre for rigid 29er duties, I have a stash of them. It is on a tube waiting to go tubeless,, and I think I can drop it another 2 psi or a tenth of a bar. As it is, the bike already feels lighter and more nimble, the front end is a little higher as well. I only tested it for an hour or so, but I already prefer it to the Fat front. For flat XC riding in Holland I could never shake the feeling that the fat front was a bit of an anchor. I do need to get used to a different feel when committng to a turn, but give it time.

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    Lenz43 - That looks nice! Since you're on a Flow EX rim (same as what I've got), I would encourage you to try out a 29+ tire. I'm running a Chupacabra. I really like it up front.

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    That is one sweet looking bike.
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    My new Jones 23 Plus Spaceframe build


    Front hub for 2nd set of wheels



    Upclose of my frameset



    Sun is out so oiled frameset with frame save.

    More too come



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    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    My new Jones 23 Plus Spaceframe build


    Front hub for 2nd set of wheels



    Upclose of my frameset



    Sun is out so oiled frameset with frame save.

    More too come



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    Kiwi Pete- have you had good experience with the DT Swiss hubs? That's what I'm looking at for price point...
    Btw, spoke to Lbs, they are placing order on plus for me Monday.... Already accumulating parts. Will be building as budget minded as possible. Appreciate your input into this thread


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcksqrl View Post
    Kiwi Pete- have you had good experience with the DT Swiss hubs? That's what I'm looking at for price point...
    Btw, spoke to Lbs, they are placing order on plus for me Monday.... Already accumulating parts. Will be building as budget minded as possible. Appreciate your input into this thread


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    Yes I have had a good run with DT Swiss. I have only used rear 350 hubs to date. This is to be my spare (second wheelset) for my Jones.

    NOTE: Like most new hub's there are no seals to stop water etc into the bearings, there are only dust seals on the bearings!

    I'll be running a Son 28 150 dynamo front hub on my main wheelset.
    Front DT Swiss wheel is now finished.



    Building for the upcoming Tour Aotearoa next year.


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    I posted the first installment of my Jeff Jones diamond frame/truss fork review here. It's an introduction on how/why I ended up with the Jones. More technical updates are in the works.
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    Has anyone found a tangle-style bag that fits the JJ diamond frame? I know about the Porcelain Rocket bag on the Jones site, but was looking for something smaller and less costly.
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    Just ordered a 29er Spaceframe. I was wondering if anyone has an updated list of hubs that will fit the 135 Truss? Paul is discontinued, but I found "front" spaced offerings from Fatback, Hope Fatsno 2 or 4, old White Industries, I9, and of course, Jeff's hub. Can anyone confirm these and if there are any other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeter37 View Post
    Just ordered a 29er Spaceframe. I was wondering if anyone has an updated list of hubs that will fit the 135 Truss? Paul is discontinued, but I found "front" spaced offerings from Fatback, Hope Fatsno 2 or 4, old White Industries, I9, and of course, Jeff's hub. Can anyone confirm these and if there are any other?
    Hi Yes
    I know about Hope and Jones front hubs plus Salsa.

    I ran a Son 28 135mm (I think it's the VR model front disc species) dyno hub.





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    Good to know the Hope works. I figured the Son 28 135 also would work. Any other makers I missed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeter37 View Post
    Good to know the Hope works. I figured the Son 28 135 also would work. Any other makers I missed?
    Hi
    Like I said Salsa 135mm
    Jones 135mm is a great hub too.
    And any old stock (front disc brake with 9mm axle) hubs.
    It's a standard that was around for only a few years.
    NOTE: There is two 135mm standard's!
    One is 9mm axle with front disc brake offset. (The one for a Jones)
    And
    One is 10mm axle with rear disc brake offset.
    The second one is wrong and will not work on a Jones!

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    Yep. Ordered a Hope Fatsno front disc spaced. They are available cheap and come in some awesome colors.

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    Got the rest of my kit ordered. Going full Xt 1x11. Xt hydros, still need Thomson setback. I'll play around with stem lengths to begin. Have loop bars from another rig. Going to run Duallys with an Xt rear. Big ones to start for rubber. Got plenty of knobbiest to throw on later.

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    Any Jones owners in Virginia, USA, willing to invite a would-be Jones owner into the club by providing a test ride? I'm 6'2 and deciding between the Diamond/Truss 29er and the Plus. Should I choose Plus, I'll also need to decide between the 24" and 25" models.

    I'm looking for singlespeed singletrack performance for several hour rides on typical East coast terrain -- rocky, rooty, punchy climbs and descents. I am not particularly interested in touring or bike-packing at the moment. Looking to replace my singlespeed Mukluk with something more lively. I enjoy my Mukluk a lot, for reference, but I want the Jones experience. 29+, fat-front, straight-up 29er, it's all on the table.

    DM me if you would be willing to let me take a look at / ride on your bike in person. Also, feel free to provide any insights for my intended use. And thank you all for the informative Jones thread here and elsewhere on the forum.

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    If it helps any, I'm 6'3" and on a 25 Plus and think the fit ideal

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    First post, I found MTBR as I was researching Jones bikes over the past year or so. A little over a month ago a used 24" Plus, very nicely equipped came up for sale locally and I jumped on it. Couldn't be happier over the initial weeks of riding. Most of my mileage has been commuting but I've managed singletrack once and a fire road/off trail bushwack ride as well. It has excelled at everything. I was gushing about the bike to a friend of mine who reminded me that "all new bikes feel fast"... maybe so, but the pavement performance of the bike has really been an eye opener. Currently geared 1x11 23T Front, 11-40 Rear and I'm spinning pretty regularly in the 23x11 gear on pavement and feeling like I could give more (especially on my afternoon ride home).

    Anyway I wanted to share a couple pictures

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    First(and only so far) trail ride at Wakefield Park in Annandale, VA alongside my wife's Rivendell Clementine 'mountain mixte'. Nice thing about this pair of bikes that her at 5'5" and I at 6' were able to swap back and forth between the bikes.

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    This was taken at least a half mile up a ridge that had no connecting trail, it was mostly hike-a-bike up, where I found an ATV trail coming up from the opposite side of the ridge (approach from other side almost vertical). Anyway, the Jones for bushwacking around the forest, at least in winter, is amazing. I roll over anything and stay nice and stable even when I'm pooped out and going slow.

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    23x40 was used a TON that bushwacking day. The Paul chain retention thingie didn't help me much as I managed to somehow jam the chain off the ring and I had to loosen the Paul to get the chain back on. So far I've just left the Paul retainer high and disengaged since and haven't noticed chain drop issues. I'll probably just remove it.

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    YES, I put a basket on my Jones... heck yeah I did. Commuting is 95% of my mileage, ~7.5 miles each way from Alexandria into DC and Wald 137 + Riv Shopsack is my luggage of choice. I prefer up front mounting but haven't figured out a way to do that with the truss fork. Still the Jones looks sweet amongst the just off-peak Cherry Blossoms at the tidal basin.

    That's it for now, right now I'm contemplating trying a set of Schwalbe Big Ones 29x2.35" slick tires and adding a Surly MWOD double chainring to get a bit higher of a gearing for the pavement usage. Anyone used Big Ones on WTB Scraper i45 rims? I'll report back either way, if it's really great I'll probably be looking to build up a second wheelset. Thanks for all the great information and inspiration shared in this and other threads here on MTBR!

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    Nice build Tony. I'm doing a similar wheel build on my Spacefrane. I got a great deal on some Duallys so those are being laced to a Hope Fatsno FDS and an M8000 rear. Jenson has big ones for 20 bucks on clearance so I bought some. I'm going to run tubes so I can swap to knobbiest when I need to.

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    I saw the deal on Jenson, gotta put my order in today!

    I think Duallys are probably ideal for the Big Ones size though when I called Jones (didn't get Jeff) they told me the Scrapers actually do a nice job with the Big Ones/SuperMoto style tires and give them a very nice profile almost like a car tire. We'll see. Why the Fatsno FDS over one of the Jones hubs on clearance? Not that the $30 isn't enough, just curious if there is a performance difference you're looking at. I wish there was an easy dyno solution for the 135mm front hubs.

    This is my first bike w/ disc brakes and indexed 11 speed (coming from friction 8 spd) so I'm getting the hang of the new components. My current shiting setup is a SRAM Gx 11speed trigger pod attached to the same ring as my SRAM DB5 hydro disc brake lever. If I go with a SRAM X5 or X7 to shift a MWOD double chainring can they be attached to the same common clamp ring?


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    Picture of the Riv Bombadil that got me interested in MTB and was sold to fund the Jones - just for context on where I'm coming from!

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    Glad you grabbed those. Thats an amazing deal.

    I know Hope makes some really nice hubs and for the money they were hard to pass up.

    As for the dynamo, I know SON makes a 135, not sure about SP.

    The Bombadil is awesome! I have a diagatube Hunq!

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    I really, really didn't like the way Big Ones handled on my Scraper front rim on my Jones. I think that rim is too wide for that tire--it squared off the tire and made the handling very "digital" as opposed to smoothly analog. I put the 3" knobby back on, and the handling was fine again.



    This whole episode made me appreciate my Blunt 35 rims. I can't see any reason to go wider, unless it's a fat bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    I really, really didn't like the way Big Ones handled on my Scraper front rim on my Jones. I think that rim is too wide for that tire--it squared off the tire and made the handling very "digital" as opposed to smoothly analog. I put the 3" knobby back on, and the handling was fine again.



    This whole episode made me appreciate my Blunt 35 rims. I can't see any reason to go wider, unless it's a fat bike.
    +1. I can't understand why anyone would want to square off their tire profile to be like a car tire??? It makes the steering/handling feel arbitrary. I have Chupacabra's on both Blunt 35 and DT XM481 rims (same 30mm inner diameter as Blunt 35's). No issue with squirm on either rim, and setup tubless makes for a relatively light wheel.

    If I were going to swap in 2.35" tires, the 30mm id rim would be as wide as I'd want to go.

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    Well I was in your camp on the width as well. I called Jeff and had a long discussion with him and he was pretty set on his idea of running the widest rim possible for best footprint and handling.

    The Dually I am going to use is a 39 internally and the Scraper is a 45 I believe. Jeff said he used to build exclusively with the Blunt predecessor, the P35. I asked him about using the Blunt 35 and he said to go wider and he has been building with the Easton/Race Face Arc 45 and it has been solid.

    I figure if the guy who designed this very unique bike recommends a correct application for it, I should do as he prescribes. I mean, on paper the Plus looks insane when you look at the wheelbase and chain stay length. But most everyone who rides it absolutely loves it.

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    I appreciate the data point seat_boy and TooSteep, I had the same discussion with one of the guys on Jone's staff that it sounds like geeter had. Since I already have the scraper wheels which are awesome with chronicle tires I figure I'll give the big one's a try and see how I feel. If it seems like they have potential for regular use (I'm pretty sure they will) then I'll look at a second wheelset and probably go Dually's or Blunts or whatever I find similar on sale.

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    Hi All
    I'm just building up my 3rd Jones with Easton ARC 40 rim's.
    My 1st Jones Plus I used WTB Scraper 45mm rim's.
    But this time around the WTB wholesaler is not selling any 29er plus rim's anymore!
    It's the same wholesaler is also Raceface! and they're not got any 29er rim's!
    But lucky the old Easton wholesaler had a few Easton ARC 40 left and at a good price.

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    So just got my plus from LBS and took it out for the first ride. 24", loop bars, SS. Question for you all, when climbing out of the saddle I'm not finding it to be very comfortable. Not as much torque as I had with standard bike. I found that I am needing to lean WAY back with arms almost locked to get power down. Standard mtb SS I used to lean forward to apply power. What are you all finding you are doing or how are you modifying your riding style? Or is it just me?

    Thanks for reading my long winded post...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rcksqrl View Post
    So just got my plus from LBS and took it out for the first ride. 24", loop bars, SS. Question for you all, when climbing out of the saddle I'm not finding it to be very comfortable. Not as much torque as I had with standard bike. I found that I am needing to lean WAY back with arms almost locked to get power down. Standard mtb SS I used to lean forward to apply power. What are you all finding you are doing or how are you modifying your riding style? Or is it just me?

    Thanks for reading my long winded post...


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    How tall are you and what stem are you running? At a guess, it sounds like you might need to try a longer stem and/or adjust the angle of the bars.

    I don't ride SS, but find these bikes (standard or plus) can be set up so you have a very powerful riding position. The Plus in particular seems to work best if you stay fairly central in the bike. But that said I didn't find that I had to change too much with my riding style to get the bike to work.

    Also I would recommend calling Jeff, he has always been very happy to help when I have had questions about the bikes.

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    80mm stem. I'll call Jeff. Sitting comforts is awesome. Just standing. 5'10"


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    So after waiting for a few parts today I got to go ride my new Jones named Orangina.


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    JoneSS out on the trail. Got some advice from Me. Jones on setup and changes I needed to make. More mindset than anything else. Only been on 3 rides but enjoying it greatly.


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    Out on the trails
    First long short ride yesterday

    Having fun in the dirt

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    Good listen -

    https://fat-bike.com/2017/04/fat-cam...nes-interview/

    Anyone want to trade their Jones for a nice Bluto'd Beargrease?! haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatchanceti View Post
    Good listen -

    https://fat-bike.com/2017/04/fat-cam...nes-interview/

    Anyone want to trade their Jones for a nice Bluto'd Beargrease?! haha
    Someone explain in the comments section that the truss pretty much gets rid of that shudder when hard braking that was rather noticeable on my cromoto grande

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoLB View Post
    Someone explain in the comments section that the truss pretty much gets rid of that shudder when hard braking that was rather noticeable on my cromoto grande
    Hi Yes
    That was me!
    1st thanks for the Podcast link.
    2nd
    So I was using a long 90mm stem and ended up after months with a 40mm stem which helped.
    My 1st Jones Plus was a 24"
    How I have a Jones 23"Plus Spaceframe and started with a 60mm stem.
    Today I have a 50mm stem!
    So I have phoned Jeff a number of times about fit and now it's working for me.


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    Just curious as to what length stem so of you are riding? NZPeterG just gave me the idea to ask!

    I am building the 29er Spaceframe with a Thomson setback. I'm about 6'1" with a surgically repaired lumbar spine. So not into super aero anymore. I am going to start with a 70mm and planning on possibly trying a 90mm. I know Thomson also makes an 80mm.

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    I've gone from 50 to 40 to a 70 now on my spaceframe. I'm 5'7 with a couple of spacers below the handlebar on a truss so it's still a bit closer to me.

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    What made you make such a huge jump?

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    Me: 5'10"
    Bike: 23" JJ diamond frame/710 loop bars/70mm Thomson stem

    I like my bars higher-than-average, and the 70mm stem with 10mm of spacers (above the top of the fork's clamp) works really well for me. May lower the stem another 5mm or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geeter37 View Post
    Just curious as to what length stem so of you are riding? NZPeterG just gave me the idea to ask!

    I am building the 29er Spaceframe with a Thomson setback. I'm about 6'1" with a surgically repaired lumbar spine. So not into super aero anymore. I am going to start with a 70mm and planning on possibly trying a 90mm. I know Thomson also makes an 80mm.
    I'm 182 cm tall and mostly used a 70mm stem on my 29er Spaceframe and 24" Plus.

    How are you going to set up the Spaceframe? (in terms of wheels etc)

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    Full XT 1x11
    165mm cranks
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    Duallys laced to Hope Fatsno front and Xt m8000 rear

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeter37 View Post
    Full XT 1x11
    165mm cranks
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    Duallys laced to Hope Fatsno front and Xt m8000 rear

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    That sounds like a nice build!

    While I mostly used a fat front on my 29 Spaceframe I think a good high volume 29+ front wheel would be a really nice setup-I liked the precision of the 29" wheel (with normal tyre) but it was obviously much harsher than the fat wheel. I tried a Dirt Wizard front and that was good, but I think a slightly higher volume tyre would still be better-maybe the Duro Crux 3.25 or a Minion. (Terrain dependent of course!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeter37 View Post
    Just curious as to what length stem so of you are riding? NZPeterG just gave me the idea to ask!

    I am building the 29er Spaceframe with a Thomson setback. I'm about 6'1" with a surgically repaired lumbar spine. So not into super aero anymore. I am going to start with a 70mm and planning on possibly trying a 90mm. I know Thomson also makes an 80mm.
    I ride a ti spaceframe with a setback Thomson post and a 100mm stem at 5 degrees up. My saddle is level with my Jones bars. I am 6.2''
    I love it.
    Hope this helps
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    Here she is.... Starting with a 70mm stem and planning to experiment. I didn't get grips yet as I want to try my old Ergons. Otherwise I'm getting ESI XXLs.

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    Thanks! It's actually a really light orange! Great color for sure

    Recommendations for grips are welcome. Anyone try the new Jones branded h bar grips instead of ESI?

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    At long last my new Revelate Nano Panniers are here.
    I don't like the new rack so have to find a better carrier.
    Now to use the frame bag or water bottles?
    I'll work it out before next year's TA.


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    I love the velcro and cam buckle attachment system, but feel like they could be a bit larger without losing any of the low-profile advantages. I use the Arkel Dolphin 32s right now and they've proved to be quite stable, but seeing these makes me think it might be time to try a diy solution.
    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    At long last my new Revelate Nano Panniers are here.
    I don't like the new rack so have to find a better carrier.
    Now to use the frame bag or water bottles?
    I'll work it out before next year's TA.


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    How do you like the truss packs? They are pricey. I was debating grabbing the revelate loop bar bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrkT View Post
    I love the velcro and cam buckle attachment system, but feel like they could be a bit larger without losing any of the low-profile advantages. I use the Arkel Dolphin 32s right now and they've proved to be quite stable, but seeing these makes me think it might be time to try a diy solution.
    Hi I build up my Jones for a upcoming Bikepacking event.
    I do not need anything bigger! The idea is small and light.


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    I need a bit more than 14L for what I'm planning but 32L is too much room... and if it's there, I'm sure it'll get filled up with unnecessary stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrkT View Post
    I need a bit more than 14L for what I'm planning but 32L is too much room... and if it's there, I'm sure it'll get filled up with unnecessary stuff.
    Haha
    The Fork bags are big and I'll only have some food and wet weather gear in the Nano.
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    I'm going to be staying out for a couple years, not weeks. Whole different kind of packing.
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    Haha
    The Fork bags are big and I'll only have some food and wet weather gear in the Nano.
    Bikepacking is about light, simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrkT View Post
    I'm going to be staying out for a couple years, not weeks. Whole different kind of packing.
    I have cycle toured light like this for for months.
    And traveled the world light for over 5 years.


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    Anyone running 27.5+ up front? I've ridden a couple of 29 x 3.00 tires and I like the extra volume, but I'm wondering if a 27.5 x 3.00 would have less of an effect on the bike's handling (standard 23" diamond frame with steel truss fork).
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    I'm interested in hearing about this as well. I was debating lacing up some 650B wheels to run with knobbies and then use my Big Ones for everything else.

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    It's all I've ever run so far



    Chronicle on Mulefut doesnt fit out back, but the 2.8 Rekon does just fine

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    I think Jeff mentions on his blog that a 2.8 rear is about max (rim width dependent I suppose). Would you agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeter37 View Post
    I think Jeff mentions on his blog that a 2.8 rear is about max (rim width dependent I suppose). Would you agree?
    Correct. 27.5x3" Chronicle on a Mulefut 50 DOES NOT fit. I certainly tried

    The B+ tires are just a little "short" for where the chainstay crimps are.

    That being said, I'm really happy with the 2.8/3.0 setup.

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    Awesome. Thanks for the feedback!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatchanceti View Post
    It's all I've ever run so far



    Chronicle on Mulefut doesnt fit out back, but the 2.8 Rekon does just fine

    What position do you have the EBB in? I used to run an ikon+ in the rear, and with a chronicle 29 up front so it was bplus rear, 29+ front, but I found the bb a bit low so I went to 29.

    I might build up an extra wheelset once I get another front hub, and will go bplus again. Do you mind sharing a long term review of the bplus setup?

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    Hi - I've only had the bike for about a month, so it's not super long term. I think right now the BB is set at about the 2:00 position, mostly because I didn't readjust it after I converted from SS.

    I generally like a lower bottom bracket though, and at least where I am in SE Michigan, pedal strikes aren't a common occurrence.

    For me at 5'9" the B+ setup is just right. I found 29+ to be a bit much for me to handle. The combination of ride quality, grip and speed from B+ really works for me. My previous bike was a Beargrease and after I rode it with the B+ spare wheelset I never put the 26x4 setup back on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoLB View Post
    What position do you have the EBB in? I used to run an ikon+ in the rear, and with a chronicle 29 up front so it was bplus rear, 29+ front, but I found the bb a bit low so I went to 29.

    I might build up an extra wheelset once I get another front hub, and will go bplus again. Do you mind sharing a long term review of the bplus setup?
    Oh yeah, somewhere along the line I ended up with a 27.5x3.25" Veetrax Fatty in my stash. I may have to try that out up front at some point. It might be interesting with a 29x2.5 out back.

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    Cool let me know how the 3.25 works out. I've been riding some gravity tracks because that's what friends ride and I'm thinking I need a bit more cushion and traction in the rear so I might move back to b plus. Thanks man!

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    Ok, so as I wrap up a stint of way too much business travel, the next order of business is getting my 29er wheelset finished. This will be my around town, sometime commuting, light trail, "go less slow" wheelset.

    Rims are Easton Arc 45s. Right now I'm vacillating between a super light/fast tire like the Schwalbe Big One, or something slighty "more" -along the lines of the Specialized Renegade 29x2.3. Anybody else here have a similar wheel setup and if so any input or a tire that I should consider?

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    I would go with a 35mm rim. No need for anything wider running that style tire. In fact it may be a disadvantage

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    Huh. I thought I recalled that Jeff said on the podcast a few months ago that the Schwalbes on his new wide carbon 29er rims was his "touring" setup.

    But on the other hand I remember reading someone's review here that the big slicks were a little weird on 45s too.

    I already have the wheels, so would like to at least try a setup with them before changing course.

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    I remember reading that as well. So I have 45mm rims. I may go to a 2.6 tire. But will be curious as to what you think

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    I have Duallys on big ones. Jeff recommended not going smaller than 45mm so I did.

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    Here's the Big One on 45s? Review I was recollecting:

    https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/20...Q6Fj5fQfQ2&m=1

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    Not sure I feel the same way about the steering feel with my setup. I think that with a bike as unique as the Jones that you should try for the designers build specs. He has put years into a iconoclastic design for a reason.

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    Time to send the Jones back to the mothership. Anyone need a 28H Paul 135mm front hub (black finish)? Brand-new, never laced up.
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    Well at last my new H-Bars are here
    Time to go riding

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    Those titanium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geeter37 View Post
    Those titanium?

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    Excellent! Please report!

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    This just happened, pretty cool!

    Jones Bikes – The Jones Plus SWB is Coming!

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    I eneded up getting a set of Specialized Renegade 29x2.3s to run on my 29er wheelset (Easton Arc 45s). The profile is a little squarish, but I think they will be ideal - fast rolling, but enough meat to hit the trails if I really want to. Certainly a lot less "cush" than the 27.5x3/27.5x2.8 setup that I usually use though.






    Saw that new SWB link yesterday. Thought for moment about "upgrading", but I'm already two wheelsets in, and not sure it's worth it for me to be able to run 0.2" more tire out back.

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    The Plus SWB announcement is pretty sweet. I think I'll stick w/ my regular Plus - the Plus LWB though for my riding.

    fatchanceti mentioned the Schwable Big One's reported squirlly handling on 45mm rims. I had noticed the same thing and mentioned it earlier but recently 'fixed' it with more tire pressure. I'm running Big One's on Scraper i45's tubed right now, and at 28-30psi I no longer have the squirlly handling which for me was especially noticeable while cornering (at any speed) on pavement.

    This fix does result in a more 'taught' ride, I'm bounced around more as the tire isn't absorbing all the road imperfections. I'll probably try to tweak it some more and I'm sure the right pressure will change if I ever go to a tubeless set up. I'm fairly certain that tubeless would allow a good compromise between handling and shock absorption at least for my riding.

    In other news I finally swapped out my single ring 26T chain ring for a Surly MWOD 36x22 double... I think it's a great addition for my paved commuting. I was flying for the first half of my ride this morning till I picked up some new squeaks and creaks... all that speed must have shaken something loose so I'll get back in the stand tonight.

    For me though the 2.35 slicks on i45 rims mystery is solved. That said if I do build up a 2.35 slick specific wheelset I think I'll target a narrower rim.

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    What's the difference between the Plus short & LWB except for the CS length?

    Has the rest of the geo been tweaked?

    The whole Jones bike choice has become even more complicated

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    Complicated indeed! When the Plus first came out I wondered about it but ended up going with the Krampus, which I loved. Threw a Rohloff in the back and thrashed it for years. Now I'm thinking of SSing the Krampus and getting a Jones, the geo of which makes the most sense.

    Now I'm torn between getting the steel Plus with 135 spacing and throwing the Rohloff in there or getting the Ti 142 and throwing SRAM Eagle in there. I'm not that price sensitive so would go for it if it's worth it, but not if it's just a vanity purchase. I like the idea of a light, fast, comfortable long distance race machine and would gladly part with the cash if it's worth it.

    However if the steel versions on sale get me the same result then I'll just keep the difference and buy more whiskey...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ondamat View Post
    Complicated indeed! When the Plus first came out I wondered about it but ended up going with the Krampus, which I loved. Threw a Rohloff in the back and thrashed it for years. Now I'm thinking of SSing the Krampus and getting a Jones, the geo of which makes the most sense.

    Now I'm torn between getting the steel Plus with 135 spacing and throwing the Rohloff in there or getting the Ti 142 and throwing SRAM Eagle in there. I'm not that price sensitive so would go for it if it's worth it, but not if it's just a vanity purchase. I like the idea of a light, fast, comfortable long distance race machine and would gladly part with the cash if it's worth it.

    However if the steel versions on sale get me the same result then I'll just keep the difference and buy more whiskey...
    I'd say more whiskey and go for the steel

    My Plus (25ETT) does everything just fine - trail mostly, but XC and some road. It rolls so well I overtake roadies on the hills going down

    Do we know how short the Plus SWB is yet?

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    Yeah, you're right. And it seems the difference, at least weight wise, between the Ti Plus and the Steel is about 500grams and many thousands of dollars! Weight is better saved on the hoops IMO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004 View Post

    The whole Jones bike choice has become even more complicated
    Unless this was meant as a tongue-in-cheek comment about having to decide how much money you'd want to part with, I don't see how the choice could be considered complicated at all.

    For 2017, Kona has at least twenty two different adult-sized mountain bike models, plus additional touring and allroad/cyclocross models - most of which come in several different suspension travel configurations before you even get to the multitude of build level options. Giant has fifteen mountain bike models. GT, Jeff's old company, has seven. Etc., etc...

    Jones still has exactly two!

    All the new announcement seemed to do was promise a rounding-out of those offerings to accommodate more riders and budgets. Similar to the way it's been to date, a buyer can soon choose, for each of those two models, between: 1) the original, high-dollar, blingy frame construction (Ti spaceframe); 2) a mid-range frame construction (steel spaceframe); 3) a budget frame construction (steel diamond); or a weight weenie frame construction (Ti diamond).

    [Similar are his handlebars: there are at least 6 different current options available for different budgets and aesthetics (Blingy Ti, weight weeny carbon, mid range alloy, budget straight-gauge alloy, "normal" looking non-loop)... but they're all functionally identical.]

    But goinn forward, a buyer will also be able to choose between one of three frame sizes, in BOTH of those designs, so that they don't have to compromise on fit!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ondamat View Post

    Complicated indeed! ... Now I'm torn between getting the steel Plus with 135 spacing and throwing the Rohloff in there or getting the Ti 142 and throwing SRAM Eagle in there.
    ...
    You probably know this, but just in case: I'm quite sure the 135 QR rear end Plus frames only exist as left-over, discontinued stock. Unlike most other manufacturers or even bike shops, there's no reason for Jones to simply discard all old, unsold frames from a given model year, simply for fashion or marketing purposes, every time he refines a detail. If you think you want one to use with a rohloff, I'd talk to Jeff and consider getting it sooner than later.

    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004 View Post

    Do we know how short the Plus SWB is yet?
    Again, you guys probably know this, but just in case and for those who haven't read the announcement: The "SWB PLUS" is simply the new name for the original Jones design, which later became known as the "29" when the second model, the "PLUS" was created (which itself had a working name of the "Long Ranger"). But it did get a few tweaks at the same time.

    According to the announcement:

    "The only changes to the geometry from the original Jones 29 to the new Jones Plus SWB, are that the front and rear centers both gained 11mm in length, and the headtube angle is 1 degree slacker at 69°. This 22mm total difference in wheelbase has the effect making the bike just a little bit smoother and more stable at high speeds without compromising the nimble handling that is one of the hallmarks of the Jones 29."


    The current version (23" TT/medium) is approximately 42 5/8" (1082 mm), so that means the new version will be approximately 43 1/2" (1104 mm).

    I'm assuming that the change to a slacker headtube also required a bit more fork offset to maintain the trail figure, but that's just a guess. Both of those would contribute to the 11mm gain at the front.

    I suspect that the 11mm gain at the rear had more to do with adding clearance for wider tires, but could be wrong. He's proven that a rear end doesn't need to be as short as possible to work well, but I do think that the ultra-short rear end is a large part of what made the original geometry what it was. It's hard to remember how ground-breaking it was at the time he first came up with the design and everyone else was still struggling to make a 29er useful for anything other than XC.

    Lengthening it DOES seem to create more overlap between the models - at least on paper - so I'll give you that in terms of the "complicated decision" thing. It's not even an inch overall, though.

    It's also worth mentioning that even the current 29 (SWB) model can already fit the plus size tires that are ostensibly serving as the reason for the design update. So I think the other tweaks are mostly just another refinement, reflecting Jeff's ongoing thoughts about geometry.
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    I like that the newest SWB moves the rear brake caliper to the chainstay, no longer on the seat stay.

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    Going to pull the trigger on a brown 24" plus frameset. Kitting it out with SRAM 1x11, loop bars, and possibly a dropper post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAVELBIKE View Post
    Going to pull the trigger on a brown 24" plus frameset. Kitting it out with SRAM 1x11, loop bars, and possibly a dropper post.
    I'm having similar thoughts, please report back! I have a new in the box 135mm Chris King rear hub that needs a project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllRounder View Post
    I'm having similar thoughts, please report back! I have a new in the box 135mm Chris King rear hub that needs a project.
    Hi I had a 24" Plus in Blue had to sale it because it was to big for me.
    Bought a 23" Spaceframe Plus love it but for my upcoming Tour Aotearoa Bikepacking adventure (3000km's) next year, have it up for sale in New Zealand.
    Building a non Jones Bikepacking bike for this event.
    But still keep my Jones 23" diamond Bikepacking bike (I have had 3 Jones bike so far).
    The differences from the 1st Jones to the new model are front hub is more standard modern axle spacing.
    I loved the cool Brown colour Jones Plus frameset and would love to have the money to buy one and hang it on my wall.
    If you're after a Jones Plus (long) go for it.
    Jones bike's ride so well, I only wish there was a second opinion on the Jones Loop H-bar's in 35 degrees! for me the 45 degree handlebars is just too much.
    Now go ride 🤠


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    Quote Originally Posted by AllRounder View Post
    I'm having similar thoughts, please report back! I have a new in the box 135mm Chris King rear hub that needs a project.
    Frameset will be here Wednesday. Also ordered a headset, front hub, SG loop bars, and some of the new Kraton grips.
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    Not been on here for years but just found this thread while looking for something so here's mine

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    I get by with a little help from my friend.

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    My 3rd Jones Plus 23" Spaceframe is up for sale in New Zealand
    If you're interested and live in NZ look it up on Trade Me.

    I'll be keeping my 2rd Jones Diamond Bikepacking adventure bike.

    Sad but life goes on



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