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    Dean Colonel - What fork length ?

    Hi, have a DEAN Colonel x-lite. I have been running rigid, pace rc 31 forks with a length of 419mm. I however realize that I need a suspension fork and am about to buy a 2004 Marzocchi marathon SL. I however dont know what length to go for, 105 mm or 85 mm. What are the pros and cons, i know that the 85mm will fit but what about the 105 mm. I would like the extra travel but will it [email protected] up the geometry ? I dont race, just like hacking about and doing long tours. Cheers, Dave

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    a quick question...did you have dean build youre frame around the 420mm pace rc31??? if so, then i'd go 80mm max, because your bike will chopper with the higher crown to axle. put 100mm on their, and your bike will look like it came from monster's garage.

    now, if you didn't have your frame spec'd around the rc31 fork, then dean built you colonel around a 80mm fork. 100mm would be OK handling wise. marzocchi forks usually have a higher crown to axle than most other fork makers. have you thought about a fox fork??? i don't have any measurements, but a float 100rlc, for example, would be close in length to a marz 80mm forkalso, the 80 or 100mm fox forks are the plushest things out there.

    for what it's worth, i had a dean duke. geometry is very similar to the colonel. i ran a 100mm marathon for awhile. it handled well, but just plowed abit on turns. my frame was built around a 80mm fork.

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    I told DEAN before they built my frame that i´d be using 80-100mm forks. I like the handling of the 419mm PACE forks just that sometimes my wrists take a battering which is why I want to revert to sus forks. Is it not possible to compress the Marathons and reduce their travel ? Isnt that what the ECC is all about ?

    If I had the cash I would go for FOX forks, but the Marathons are a worthy compromise.

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    QUOTE=Kam]a quick question...did you have dean build youre frame around the 420mm pace rc31??? if so, then i'd go 80mm max, because your bike will chopper with the higher crown to axle. put 100mm on their, and your bike will look like it came from monster's garage.

    now, if you didn't have your frame spec'd around the rc31 fork, then dean built you colonel around a 80mm fork. 100mm would be OK handling wise. marzocchi forks usually have a higher crown to axle than most other fork makers. have you thought about a fox fork??? i don't have any measurements, but a float 100rlc, for example, would be close in length to a marz 80mm forkalso, the 80 or 100mm fox forks are the plushest things out there.

    for what it's worth, i had a dean duke. geometry is very similar to the colonel. i ran a 100mm marathon for awhile. it handled well, but just plowed abit on turns. my frame was built around a 80mm fork.

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    I recently purchased a HT and was seriously looking at the Dean. I love the look of the Dean and when I go Ti, it will either be a Dean or an Airborne. (I just purchased the aluminum Airborne to test it.) That being said, I contacted Dean and told them I would be running a Marathon 105mm fork and asked if that would be ok. John told me that they build the frames for 80-100mm travel. I actually have the 100/120mm Marathon now and I pumped up the negative air to reduce the travel to about 110. I think I'll reduce it a little more but I really enjoy the 100mm. I could never go back to an 80mm for my riding style.

    Anyway, e-mail John at Dean and I'm sure he'll tell you what he told me. You should be fine with a 100mm fork.
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    Ill give drop John a line and find out what he thinks. I want the 105mm to fit because the thought of extra travel does something for me but ill go with whatever he says. Ill post his reply when I get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash_FLMB
    I recently purchased a HT and was seriously looking at the Dean. I love the look of the Dean and when I go Ti, it will either be a Dean or an Airborne. (I just purchased the aluminum Airborne to test it.) That being said, I contacted Dean and told them I would be running a Marathon 105mm fork and asked if that would be ok. John told me that they build the frames for 80-100mm travel. I actually have the 100/120mm Marathon now and I pumped up the negative air to reduce the travel to about 110. I think I'll reduce it a little more but I really enjoy the 100mm. I could never go back to an 80mm for my riding style.

    Anyway, e-mail John at Dean and I'm sure he'll tell you what he told me. You should be fine with a 100mm fork.

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    the ecc is a lock out with abit of travel (like 10-20mm or so), it isn't meant for people to ride on to reduce travel (it's better than standard lockout on climbs since it drops the front end, it won;t wander as much). are you going to ride twisty singletrack with the ecc on??? i don't think so....kinda defeats the purpose of having a sussy fork in the first place.

    if you spec'd it for 80-100 you should be fine, you angles might be based on a fork somewhere in between them.

    as for cost, i have seen a few marathons in the $300-350 range in think...which sounds great! i think I paid about $400 for a new '04 float 100rlc. cool thing with the float is that you can get the 100rlc. if you don't like the way your bike handles, you can drop it to 80mm. and if you want abit more travel than 80mm, you can make a custom spacer and run the float at 90mm.


    as for dean...they make great stuff. but, there are plenty of customer service stories. i tried working with john at dean for a 29er ss colonel project. even talked to him with a few specs and a quote. i emailed him twice and never heard back (keep in mind, this would have been my third dean). figures...

    i sent my money to mike desalvo...great guy and an excellent builder.

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    Hi Kam

    If the Fox Float was just $400 then id take it straight away ! Im on a budget though and judging by the reviews I dont think that the fox is so much a better unit to warrant the extra money. Im going to opt for the 85mm marz. Just got to shop around and try and locate a cheap one. The best offer ive found is $375, ive seen them cheaper on ebay but im somehow apprehensive of going via them in case I get any come backs ! Id be very happy if I could get one for around $330.

    Apart from the delivery time issue I am very satisfied with my colonel, the finish of the frame was absolutely second to none, I just wish that I was able to get out on it more than I do.




    Quote Originally Posted by Kam
    the ecc is a lock out with abit of travel (like 10-20mm or so), it isn't meant for people to ride on to reduce travel (it's better than standard lockout on climbs since it drops the front end, it won;t wander as much). are you going to ride twisty singletrack with the ecc on??? i don't think so....kinda defeats the purpose of having a sussy fork in the first place.

    if you spec'd it for 80-100 you should be fine, you angles might be based on a fork somewhere in between them.

    as for cost, i have seen a few marathons in the $300-350 range in think...which sounds great! i think I paid about $400 for a new '04 float 100rlc. cool thing with the float is that you can get the 100rlc. if you don't like the way your bike handles, you can drop it to 80mm. and if you want abit more travel than 80mm, you can make a custom spacer and run the float at 90mm.


    as for dean...they make great stuff. but, there are plenty of customer service stories. i tried working with john at dean for a 29er ss colonel project. even talked to him with a few specs and a quote. i emailed him twice and never heard back (keep in mind, this would have been my third dean). figures...

    i sent my money to mike desalvo...great guy and an excellent builder.

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    85mm marz marathon sounds good. the marathons are pretty plush. if you don't get full travel out of it, you might have to adjust oil levels (marzocchi is terrible in this). the '04 units are pretty sweet.

    as for dean, yes...they do some great work...really...the weld on their frames are right up there with seven. as for not getting to riding it enough...we all have that feeling

    cheers!

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    Hi Kam, tracked down an 85mm 2004 Marathon SL for $300. I should have it next week so ill let you know what I think. I was REALLY tempted to go for the 100RLT/C but couldnt justify the extra 100 or so dollars . Also here in Europe FOX parts are proper rich so im sure Ive made the right decision. I just hope that I get the full travel out of them. What are you riding at the moment ?? Regards, Dave

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    dave,

    sounds good. that's a great price. i wish marz made a nicer 29er fork than what they offer. i got a 29er reba race with poploc for my ride, but haven't ridin it yet, i like my walt works rigid fork. i bought the sussy fork so i could just switch out instead of buying/riding another bike.

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    Hi Kam, my Marz Marathons arrived and im well happy that I opted for the 85mm version instead of the 105mm. The bikes sits a tad higher than the Pace RC31s and has retained its handling. Im in the process of tryng to adjust the air chambers at the moment which is tedious work. The Marzocchi manual is very vague when it comes to pressure settings so it is a matter of trial and error. Also its minus 8 here at the moment and we are under 2 feet of snow so a proper test ride isnt possible at the moment. I like the look of your DaSalvo. I have however never heard of them before. Are they a new builder ? I notice that you have opted for tubes of varying gauge / thickness. What is the reason for this ? Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20_bandh
    Hi, have a DEAN Colonel x-lite. I have been running rigid, pace rc 31 forks with a length of 419mm. I however realize that I need a suspension fork and am about to buy a 2004 Marzocchi marathon SL. I however dont know what length to go for, 105 mm or 85 mm. What are the pros and cons, i know that the 85mm will fit but what about the 105 mm. I would like the extra travel but will it [email protected] up the geometry ? I dont race, just like hacking about and doing long tours. Cheers, Dave
    The Pace RC 31 that is 419mm is the mk 1 version that should be used to replace a 63 mm travel suspension fork. dont think they make the mk 1 anymore, its been replaced by the mk 2 that is a longer fork to be used when replacing it from an 80mm travel suspension fork. i think the mk 2 may be about 434 long but not 100% on that

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