I'm in the preliminary stages of ordering an Epic Mountaineer. I understand that patience is of the utmost importance when ordering a frame from Curtlo; might any of you Curtlo owners be so kind as to post a few pics on this thread?
I figure it might just make the lead-time seem a bit shorter.
Glad to see someone else is in the same boat as me. I just ordered an Advanced Mountaineer (about 3 weeks ago). When I was talking to Doug, he said time to completion is about 10 weeks.
Very nice ride. Fillet brazed frame. Curved seat stays. But I like my IF Deluxe a little better. The blue one is a 02 mountaineer Solo with track dropouts curved stays and v- mounts, and the third one is I think a 92 Aluminum Curtlo,It has canti stop
Very nice ride. Fillet brazed frame. Curved seat stays. But I like my IF Deluxe a little better. The blue one is a 02 mountaineer Solo with track dropouts curved stays and v- mounts, and the third one is I think a 92 Aluminum Curtlo,It has canti stop
Impressive line-up; I really appreciate you taking the time to forward the pics! My frame will have paragon adjustable dropouts, and will be prepped for (future) use as a geared hard tail; it'll be set up as a single speed for a while (maybe forever!)
Any words of wisdom you can offer for dealing with Curtlo? Anything I should be aware of or pay special attention to?
Also, how do you like your White Bros. sussy fork? I ride a Pace RC31 XC rigid carbon fork, but I've got a buddy who just ordered a White Bros. for his Ti Quireing frame.
I have never had any complaints about my frame. I love the curved stays and them brazed joints.
as for forks, I love White Brothers forks. They are really a set it and forget it fork. the one pictured is a 05 XC.8 so it has a manual lockout if you like rigid. I also have an 00 XC-4 air sprung and air dampened fork that is also awesome. Very rigid forks, very easy to service very light weight. bothe weight in between 3-3.5 Not bad for a fork that has 32mm stanction and @ 8 inches of steerer. My next fork and most likely the one after that will be a White Brothers.
I placed my order for mine at the beginning of February. On February 1, I heard from Doug in my initial "interview" about what I wanted, etc. He said he's sure he'd have more questions for me and that he'd follow up (which I assume means that at the time, we'll talk about how I want the cable stops put on, etc). He quoted me 10 weeks to complete the bike and I made my deposit. Now, 4 weeks later, I haven't heard anything from him in regards to the finer details or what color I'd like, etc.
My question is, is this common? Seems to me that letting 4 to 5 weeks go by without even letting me know where the project stands is absurd. I really don't want to bother him as I'm sure he's busy, but I'm beginning to wonder if he has forgotten. Any advice?
at the risk of sounding cliche, "patience is a virtue." Doug Curtiss has a stellar reputation as a custom frame builder, and you're right, he does stay very busy. Most Curtlo owners I've been in contact with all agree one two things;
1. Quality of the end-product is very good!
2. Well worth the wait, and you will wait!
I placed my order closer to the middle of February, at which time I submitted the required measurements, and also a few pics of me on my current bike. I have emailed Doug since then several times to "follow up" on the emails I've sent. Doug has always made the time to return my emails. I think that the "finer details" will be critical later on in the actual build stage, so I wouldn't worry much. Either send him an email or give him a call. Keep me posted on how things progress.
I placed my order for mine at the beginning of February. On February 1, I heard from Doug in my initial "interview" about what I wanted, etc. He said he's sure he'd have more questions for me and that he'd follow up (which I assume means that at the time, we'll talk about how I want the cable stops put on, etc). He quoted me 10 weeks to complete the bike and I made my deposit. Now, 4 weeks later, I haven't heard anything from him in regards to the finer details or what color I'd like, etc.
My question is, is this common? Seems to me that letting 4 to 5 weeks go by without even letting me know where the project stands is absurd. I really don't want to bother him as I'm sure he's busy, but I'm beginning to wonder if he has forgotten. Any advice?
Just as an FYI - I put my deposit down on Jan-18 and was quoted an 8 week lead time (fully expecting 10+ weeks). It has been almost 7 weeks since then and I'm still waiting to receive a drawing / draft of the frame geometry to approve.
Thanks to all that have posted their pichers - it helps show that good things come to those who wait.
In that case, it is 8 weeks down (total quoted delivery time) and 7 weeks to go?
I honestly don't mind waiting 15 weeks for a quality and value product, but I would just prefer that this was told to me upfront.
Hope you enjoy your new ride once it arrive to your doorstep.
Cheers - Suds
My wait time was significantly longer than quoted, but this was the bike I wanted,
so I tried to go in with the attitude of "I'll get it when I get it." I'm not really sure
why he doesn't just quote longer lead times from the outset, but that's his choice.
I don't think Doug puts a lot of emphasis on communication until it's your turn.
Once my number came up, we went through detail design and two drawing revisions
in about 36 hours. When it's your turn in the barrel, things will happen fast.
I choose to view it this way - The less time he spends talking and the more time
he spends building, the faster we all get our bikes.
My Advanced Mountaineer
I got it in '99. I've had a few shock setups on it and have now gone rigid. Kelly Disc. I LOVE this bike! Fast, Light and tracks like a Hound Dog!
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Any of you kids have updates on your build? I'm in week 8 now. Haven't heard a word.
I'm sitting approx 11 weeks out (quoted 8 weeks). I did get a chance to talk to Doug briefly on the phone at week 7 - at that time he estimated that I should see some progress, in 3 weeks - wait, that would have been last week. From all accounts, once your turn is up, thing happen fast, at least that's what I'm hoping for. I know the frame that Doug makes will be what I really want, so I'll do my best to chill and relax until then.
I'm sitting approx 11 weeks out (quoted 8 weeks). I did get a chance to talk to Doug briefly on the phone at week 7 - at that time he estimated that I should see some progress, in 3 weeks - wait, that would have been last week. From all accounts, once your turn is up, thing happen fast, at least that's what I'm hoping for. I know the frame that Doug makes will be what I really want, so I'll do my best to chill and relax until then.
Mine got here last Friday, for about a 16 week lead time. I've been too busy riding
it to take any pictures or post, but there's a couple shots below.
Epic Mountaineer
EBB SS 36:20
Reba Race
Thomson bar / stem
Race Face Square Taper cranks
King SS Disc hubs / CX-Ray spokes / 717 rims
Flite
Cane Creek S-8 headset, AD-5 shock
Kenda weenies
Yadda yadda
It would have been a bargain at double the price and four times the wait.
I absolutely couldn't be happier.
Fit is perfect, alignment is perfect, geometry and handling are superb.
Softail functions better than I dared hope. It doesn't feel like "suspension"
at all - Zero bobbing while out of the saddle, but knocks down all of the
trail buzz. Seven hours of Pisgah this weekend without the slightest bit
of back pain or stiffness. No issues with flex, at least not with my hulking
147 pounds.
I got mine back in 2004. Ordered in late Feb. and it arrived sometime in June. After riding it for close to 3 years now, I can say that it's one of the best bikes I've ever owned.
I'm in week 14 right now. Still haven't discussed anything outside of the original submittal and a couple of pics of me on my current ride. Still no drawing, still no paint details..nada. Nothing.
I'm in week 14 right now. Still haven't discussed anything outside of the original submittal and a couple of pics of me on my current ride. Still no drawing, still no paint details..nada. Nothing.
Patience is wearing extremely thin.
Honestly, I never got a drawing from Doug. Didn't matter in the long run as my bike turned out perfect.
I'm not on the waiting list, but you are in peak building season for Doug right now. Keep in mind it's one guy doing everything; that's what will make your new Curtlo so special. I totally understand your frustration, but patience and persistence will make the wait worth it. Don't be afraid to pick up the phone and give him a call if you haven't done so already.
edit: As I said in my previous post where I posted pictures, I ordered my frame around the same time you did a few years back. I didn't see it until June. Just an FYI. Welcome to the world of ordering custom from a one man operation. I honestly wouldn't do it any other way, though.
I'm in week 14 right now. Still haven't discussed anything outside of the original submittal and a couple of pics of me on my current ride. Still no drawing, still no paint details..nada. Nothing.
Patience is wearing extremely thin.
I'm at week 15 - so you have at least another week + to wait. Two weeks ago Doug said that I should have a drawing this week, so hopefully I'll see it soon (breath not held).
As the originator of this thread, I'd like to send out a big giant "gracias" to all contributors.
As for my frame... well, I'm in week 10 of the originally quoted 10-12 weeks. I have not heard from Doug since he confirmed the receipt of my deposit in very early March. I have tried to touch-base with him a few times since then (via email), but have yet to receive a response. Although I must admit that the lack of response on Doug's part is a bit frustrating , I can also say that I firmly believe the end result will be well worth the wait
Keep those pics coming, as they've really helped to confirm what I already know, "Good things come to those who wait!"
Honestly, I never got a drawing from Doug. Didn't matter in the long run as my bike turned out perfect.
I'm not on the waiting list, but you are in peak building season for Doug right now. Keep in mind it's one guy doing everything; that's what will make your new Curtlo so special. I totally understand your frustration, but patience and persistence will make the wait worth it. Don't be afraid to pick up the phone and give him a call if you haven't done so already.
edit: As I said in my previous post where I posted pictures, I ordered my frame around the same time you did a few years back. I didn't see it until June. Just an FYI. Welcome to the world of ordering custom from a one man operation. I honestly wouldn't do it any other way, though.
Thanks for the additional information.
I know patience is required....but it's kind of like being a kid getting close to Christmas. You know the gifts are coming and you can't wait to open them.
I had Wade at Vulture build up my SS a few years ago. It took him 8 weeks total....so I was sort of basing this purchase on that. Obviously, it's not the case.
Okay, I'm looking for anyone with experiences with either of these frames, preferably geared, preferably 29", and preferably a short person. I'm looking hard at these two for long haul racing. How do they compare in soaking up the trail? Anyone 5'6" or shorter had one built?
I'm in week 14 right now. Still haven't discussed anything outside of the original submittal and a couple of pics of me on my current ride. Still no drawing, still no paint details..nada. Nothing.
Patience is wearing extremely thin.
14 weeks? That ain't nothing. I waited almost 9 months for my last Curtlo frame.
14 weeks? That ain't nothing. I waited almost 9 months for my last Curtlo frame.
that's nothing... according to the Vanilla bikes site, wait time for a new Vanilla is 47 months!!!!! I guess you'd have to want one reeeeaaaaallly f'in bad.
that's nothing... according to the Vanilla bikes site, wait time for a new Vanilla is 47 months!!!!! I guess you'd have to want one reeeeaaaaallly f'in bad.
Yeah, but we're talking about Curtlo frames here. And actual wait times.
Yeah, but we're talking about Curtlo frames here. And actual wait times.
yes, I know as I've already posted a few times in regards to Curtlo wait times in this thread. I was simply saying that things could be worse... like a 4 year wait.
... at least there is one thing that we all seem to agree on; Doug Curtis builds a kick @#&* bike frame. I can't wait to get mine!
Ryancycle,
hows the riding up in INDI? I'm from Florida, but I have a little girl that lives in Lafayette. Needless to say, I'm in Indiana often.
Funny, but I'm also from the Indy area. The riding has greatly improved over the past 11 years that I've been here. If you haven't already, point your browser over to hmba.org and have a look see. Also, feel free to shoot me a PM with any q's or anytime you are coming to town looking for a ride recommendation or companion.
5 frames ordered, mostly road and cross. I have an S3 tubed road frame on order. I expect it early June. I was quoted Early April. My average wait time has probably been about 4 to 4.5 months or so for my prior Curtlos. Always quoted around 10 weeks or so.
Don't get frustrated, just relax and realize this your current frustrations will disappear once on the saddle.
When Doug is ready to build S3 tubed mtb's I will order another.
... at least there is one thing that we all seem to agree on; Doug Curtis builds a kick @#&* bike frame. I can't wait to get mine!
Ryancycle,
hows the riding up in INDI? I'm from Florida, but I have a little girl that lives in Lafayette. Needless to say, I'm in Indiana often.
There's some very nice trails in the state of Indiana, particularly down south in Brown County. If you can, I highly recommend checking out Brown County State Park.
How did you go about ordering a bike from Curtlo? I have been trying for weeks to get in touch to place an order. I emailed, and have called once or twice a day for weeks without any answer. Did you just mail in the order form and wait for him to get in touch, or is there some other secret?
I would suggest that you print the custom fit form provided on Doug's website, (look for the how to buy link) and then fax it off to him. Believe it or not, Doug was well aware of my order prior to my actual telephone conversation with him. It may sound risky, but go ahead and forward the 50% deposit as well; I'm pretty sure this gets your name officially added to the list.
Hey, any of you guys think I should email Doug a link to this thread?
I started everything off with Doug via email. He seemed to respond to emails later in the evening. I would say he answered the phone 30% of the time when I called as well. Not bad for a one man operation. As far as the long wait times, I think the squeky wheel gets the grease.
I tried to contact Doug via email last week. My message was both apologetic ("please pardon the interruption") and to the point. I implied absolutely no pressure, I simply wanted to know how things are progressing with my build. Unfortunately, I've received no response. According to my calculations I'm in week #15; hopefully I'll receive word soon. Until then, I'll just keep in mind that I'm sure to end up with a sweet frame, and continue to wait patiently.
I tried to contact Doug via email last week. My message was both apologetic ("please pardon the interruption") and to the point. I implied absolutely no pressure, I simply wanted to know how things are progressing with my build. Unfortunately, I've received no response. According to my calculations I'm in week #15; hopefully I'll receive word soon. Until then, I'll just keep in mind that I'm sure to end up with a sweet frame, and continue to wait patiently.
Anybody out there with updates on his/her order?
This Thursday will be 16 weeks for me.....and no update, unfortunately.
I haven't sent any e-mails because I don't really want to bug him. Sounds like he's very busy. I was hoping to have the bike before a vacation to Colorado in July...but I don't see it happening at the rate this build is going.
Folks weren't joking when they said to be patient.
This Thursday will be 16 weeks for me.....and no update, unfortunately.
I haven't sent any e-mails because I don't really want to bug him. Sounds like he's very busy. I was hoping to have the bike before a vacation to Colorado in July...but I don't see it happening at the rate this build is going.
Folks weren't joking when they said to be patient.
Last week was week 17 for me. My geometry drawing came from Doug via email. I asked for a couple of small changes, had a new drawing the next morning and sent him my approval. Doug was very attentive and great to work with during these changes. All I can say is - you will receive great care once you are in the queue - it just takes some patience to get there.
This is not my bike but my buddy and I built her up for him last week. He is too busy riding to make the post so I will do it for him. Early reports are in: He loves it and is on his 3rd ride in 3 days. A lot of components were new, few old. The frame is beautiful with great welds AND attention to detail. His first mountain bike (hardtail) lasted him 10 years and I suspect this one will last him into old age. Enough babble, here is the complete bike!
db
This one I built up had decals, already starting to come off..... It would be nice if it had a badge but one could always have one made. The website does state "badge" but should really say decal!
I tried to contact Doug via email last week. My message was both apologetic ("please pardon the interruption") and to the point. I implied absolutely no pressure, I simply wanted to know how things are progressing with my build. Unfortunately, I've received no response. According to my calculations I'm in week #15; hopefully I'll receive word soon. Until then, I'll just keep in mind that I'm sure to end up with a sweet frame, and continue to wait patiently.
Anybody out there with updates on his/her order?
I received my frame about a week ago (~ 7 month wait time, quoted 6-8 wks...). Sure the delay sucked, and I do wish I had gotten more frequent/regular updates (not so that I could hassle/hurry Doug, not my style, but rather just for peace of mind/curiosity), but it was worh it...the frame is awesome and I'm sure that the bike will ride beautifully.
I received my frame about a week ago (~ 7 month wait time, quoted 6-8 wks...). Sure the delay sucked, and I do wish I had gotten more frequent/regular updates (not so that I could hassle/hurry Doug, not my style, but rather just for peace of mind/curiosity), but it was worh it...the frame is awesome and I'm sure that the bike will ride beautifully.
Doug emailed to let me know that my build is coming up soon, and that he would be contacting me in the near future to hash out the finer details; it was nice to receive the update. It's been about 1 week since then; I figure I'm at least another 4 weeks out. Again, I'm not the least bit upset about the wait, and I'm confident that the frame will be awesome. Hopefully, I'll be able to get an actual head badge (rather than a decal) for my frame... me likey the Bling!
Still no word on mine. I'm guessing it will be up soon, seeing as those who ordered around the same time I did have heard from him.
This is definitely becoming an exercise in patience.
I can totally relate, but the more photos I see, and customer testemonials I read, the more I'm convinced that the wait is worth while. Fortunately, I'm still riding my Turner Flux, and my Surly SS while I wait. This may sound crazy, but if my frame turns out the way I expect it to, I'll likely be getting my name on the list for a soft tail right away. I'm pretty sure our frames are scheduled in the same batch, so let's keep each other posted.
Think of the long wait as a blessing in disguise. You guys could be hoarding blingy parts for your build while you wait. That's what I'll be doing when I order my SS cross bike from him.
I am in the same boat as most of you. I order my bike Jan. 13th and I am still waiting for the finished product. It is at the painters so I am hoping to see it in the next week or two. This does not seem to be a fast process, and only gets slower when you have most of the parts for the bike but no frame and fork. It does sound like it is worth the wait. I have found the best way to keep in touch with Doug is via email, although it may take him a couple of days to reply, it also seems if he has no updates he will not reply. I guess he is busy building bikes.
I am in the same boat as most of you. I order my bike Jan. 13th and I am still waiting for the finished product. It is at the painters so I am hoping to see it in the next week or two. This does not seem to be a fast process, and only gets slower when you have most of the parts for the bike but no frame and fork. It does sound like it is worth the wait. I have found the best way to keep in touch with Doug is via email, although it may take him a couple of days to reply, it also seems if he has no updates he will not reply. I guess he is busy building bikes.
Look on the bright side, at least you know your's is at paint on will be on it's way soon. I ordered mine a little over 2 weeks after you ordered your's and to date, I don't have jack sheot. No drawings. No communication back. No nothing. Nada. Zilch. I'm in week 19 and the last time I heard anything was on February 1 when I put in the order and my credit card was processed for the down payment.
The bikes may be stellar. The customer service is severly lacking. I'm sorry, but don't tell people you're on a 10 week schedule when it's really 2 to 3 times that. I can handle honesty up front.....
I wouldnt bother,the bikes look boring.Sorry......
You're absolutely right, Forget the reputation, forget the strong following, and forget the fact that Curtlo offers one of the best custom fit frames available. Do, however, remember to buy something because it looks... exciting!
I got an email from Doug, my bike is on its way. News2ss I hope this means you are close. I will post updated info when i actually have the frame and fork........
I got an email from Doug, my bike is on its way. News2ss I hope this means you are close. I will post updated info when i actually have the frame and fork........
Man I wish.
I'm in week 20 right now. Still no drawings. Still haven't discussed color, cable routing, etc. Still no response to my e-mail last week inquiring as to where I am in the cue.
Speaking of color...I wish the damn color samples on his website would show up. All I get are blank boxes with names of colors in them.
I received my bike Friday of last week. It was actually here on Wens the 20 but the post office would not deliver the package, which is fine since no one was here to take it. Any way I placed my order on Jan 13 and got the bike on June 20.
It looks sweet.....Good luck to all of you waiting.
I received my bike Friday of last week. It was actually here on Wens the 20 but the post office would not deliver the package, which is fine since no one was here to take it. Any way I placed my order on Jan 13 and got the bike on June 20.
It looks sweet.....Good luck to all of you waiting.
Congrats! Mine is currently being powder coated - I ordered on Jan 18.
[QUOTE=Suds]Congrats! Mine is currently being powder coated - I ordered on Jan 18.
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Alright, the frame showed up on Friday, June 29. Have I mentioned that it is one of Doug's S3 road frames? Anyway - here is a link to some photos, etc.
Congrats! Mine is currently being powder coated - I ordered on Jan 18.
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Alright, the frame showed up on Friday, June 29. Have I mentioned that it is one of Doug's S3 road frames? Anyway - here is a link to some photos, etc.
Got my drawings today via e-mail. Can't wait to finally throw a leg over her.
looks like it's gonna be a sweet 29ner! Unless I'm mistaken, my drawing should be coming along shortly too I'm pretty sure our orders were in within days of one another. I'll keep you all posted.
Love this bike, but it is not mine. I am considering having a Curtlo built with the Pro shock fork soon. Probably not the softtail or the couplers though. It would also have regular dropouts.
Doug just emailed my preliminary drawing this morning; SWEET
Funny story; I had originally intended to order a full rigid Advanced Mountaineer, but somewhere along the line I screwed up and ordered an Epic instead
Now I'm thinking I'll go ahead with the soft tail frame... just wondering how it will work out with a rigid fork as a single speed?
For the guys who have their frames, did the process start to move quicker once you received your drawings?
We discussed a few slight "tweaks" to my drawing; he was making the changes as we spoke. Doug explained that he would have the final revised drawing to me by Monday. When I told him that I figured on another 4 weeks of lead-time before receiving my frame, he assured me that it absolutely will NOT take that long. I'll keep everyone posted.
Not that it really matters much, since I have been looking at all options, and most more expensive, but his web pricing is about 1yr old. Has it changed much. I am definitely going with Doug at this point on a 29er 24hr. The nice thing is that he is only a couple of hours away, and we have work scheduled up there in a few months.
"Life is a [email protected]#^ing story problem, get used to it - my son.
I finally finished constructing my 24hr 29er and took it out this weekend. It is sweet. I just need to get use to the single speed aspect of it. The likes to go fast and has no problem climbing at all. Mine in fully rigid, but it rides really smooth. I am very impressed. My other bike is a carbon softtail (Trek STP 300) and I would say the steel hard tail rides just as smooth.
On Monday, I sent Doug my paint choice as well as details concerning the cable routing.
Today, I received an e-mail back saying thanks for the additional information and that it is now time to build the frame. I would expect probably another 4 to 6 weeks to receive it, considering build time plus paint, etc.
Got the official word from Doug via email yesterday. Best of all, at this very moment, my frame is at home waiting for me to throw a leg around her . Looks like I'll be busy building a new bike over the weekend. Having issues with attaching pics right now , but I'll get some on in the very near future.
To those of you still on the waiting list; hang in there, good things are on the horizon .
I placed my order in very early February, so... well over 20 weeks. Been too busy workin and ridin to finish putting her together, but I should be ready for the maiden ride by this coming Saturday. I'll make sure to post pics of the final build.
Got the official word from Doug via email yesterday. Best of all, at this very moment, my frame is at home waiting for me to throw a leg around her . Looks like I'll be busy building a new bike over the weekend. Having issues with attaching pics right now , but I'll get some on in the very near future.
To those of you still on the waiting list; hang in there, good things are on the horizon .
Adios
You beat me!!! I haven't heard back from Doug on mine yet. I figure since you and I ordered around the same time, mine should be almost on it's way.
Do you guys know if Doug takes kindly to in person visits? I read the custom fit PDF and... well, it seems like he bases a lot on the geometry of your current bike -- what if you don't like your current bike (thus the interest in getting a new one)? I'm on an old Trek, and dont' really like the way it handles, fits me and strips my confidence when riding because it just feels squirrely... Calling or actually visiting him would be, IMO, the best route... but what do you folks think who have dealt with him before? Thanks!
I read the custom fit PDF and... well, it seems like he bases a lot on the geometry of your current bike -- what if you don't like your current bike (thus the interest in getting a new one)?
Feel free to leave the info for the new bike blank, or mostly blank.... I did. The first time I talked with him He asked plenty of questions about what I liked and did not like about my current bike. I also attached some other info about what it was that I was looking for in a new bike.
"Life is a [email protected]#^ing story problem, get used to it - my son.
Do you guys know if Doug takes kindly to in person visits? I read the custom fit PDF and... well, it seems like he bases a lot on the geometry of your current bike -- what if you don't like your current bike (thus the interest in getting a new one)? I'm on an old Trek, and dont' really like the way it handles, fits me and strips my confidence when riding because it just feels squirrely... Calling or actually visiting him would be, IMO, the best route... but what do you folks think who have dealt with him before? Thanks!
Matt
Doug personally fit me for my Advanced Mountaineer back when he was building here in southern Calif. Contact him and see what he says.
Do you guys know if Doug takes kindly to in person visits? I read the custom fit PDF and... well, it seems like he bases a lot on the geometry of your current bike -- what if you don't like your current bike (thus the interest in getting a new one)? I'm on an old Trek, and dont' really like the way it handles, fits me and strips my confidence when riding because it just feels squirrely... Calling or actually visiting him would be, IMO, the best route... but what do you folks think who have dealt with him before? Thanks!
Matt
After sending him pictures and explaining the likes and dislikes of other bikes I've owned, Doug was able to make suggestions, and finally several tweaks to the final drawing. Long story short, he totally nailed it with my new frame. The first time I rode it, I was amazed at how my position on the bike seemed so familiar. The dislikes I had discussed with Doug are no longer, and I couldn't be happier with my new ride. I suggest you call Doug and speak with him personally; he's a really cool guy.
The frame Doug built for me was basically a copy of the geometry of a frame that I liked, but with nicer tubing and EBB for singlespeed.
I sent him the old frame's geometry chart, and then we chatted for about 20 minutes about a few changes. For example: he suggested that if I plan to continue using Thomson seatpost (I do), consider slackening the seat tube by 1/2 degree to make up for their lack of setback. That sort of thing.
Did the first official ride on my new Epic for the first time yesterday; I’m in love, and happy to report that you seem to have nailed the fit. The 1” of rear travel eliminates all small trail bumps and takes the edge off of the root-covered rocky areas; there is no suspension “bob”. I’m amazed at how well the bike hooks up on climbs. In fact, we’ve recently had heavy rains here (almost nightly for over a week now), and most of the local trails are washed out and extremely slick (lots of clay here), yet I was still able to scoot up the most difficult climbs with no slipping of the rear wheel, and with very little adjustment of my center of gravity in the cockpit; coming out of the saddle was not necessary. The bike handles extremely well, and, regardless of loose dirt, rocks, or roots, the rear wheel stays on the ground. All in all, the bike hooks up better than anything I’ve ever owned or ridden.
In short, you can add me to the long list of satisfied customers. I couldn’t be happier with the final result, and it was well worth the wait! I will definitely be in touch again in the near future to start working on details for a new single speed frame.
Thanks for the photos and comments. Glad to see that my ongoing wait isn't abnormal. After so many dates promised then missed I was starting to wonder if I'd been taken, so I searched the web for some dirt on Doug which is how I landed here. For what it's worth I found negative comments from only one unhappy customer and his complaint was pretty vague - thems good odds if you ask me.
Original delivery date was early October, now I'm hoping for the end of the year. But at least I now know that it's just bidniz as usual from Curlo.
So when did you put your order in? Just curious. I went into mine expecting the wait, and calculating by what others have seen for wait times I should see mine mid Feb.
"Life is a [email protected]#^ing story problem, get used to it - my son.
Last half of July. The originally estimated "8-10 weeks" had me planning to ride it in early October. I'm such a dreamer. The drawings arrived yesterday.
I'm enjoying the heck out of mine. I've pretty much gotten the air pressure on my Relish shock dialed-in now; same with my FOX F-80 fork. A word of advice; unless you're having the frame shipped from Doug's place to say a powder coater like Spectrum, don't be surprised if your color selection is a bit, shall we say, off! I ordered a really cool metallic silver; provided the Tiger Drylac code. I ended up with a battleship grey with a bit of metal in it. At first I was upset, but the color has grown on me. From what I hear, this isn't unique to Curtlo; my buddy recently had a Waltworks built, and his color was completely off too.
Last half of July. The originally estimated "8-10 weeks" had me planning to ride it in early October. I'm such a dreamer. The drawings arrived yesterday.
Good to know, thanks! I am about 1 month behind you in order time.
"Life is a [email protected]#^ing story problem, get used to it - my son.
It took just under 7 months to get my frame, ordered it in Jan of 07 received late june 07. The bike is sweet and well worth the wait, of course easy to say when I have the bike..... For what it is worth my paint color was dead on.
First post on these forums; making it in this thread seems like a natural way to start.
I had been riding a C'dale Raven when I decided to get back to my hardtail "roots", and talked with Doug and a couple of other builders. Enjoyed conversing with Doug the most so I put in the order and sent the deposit and a CAD drawing I had come up with. I was basing my ideas off 2 hardtails I had owned in the past; Mr. Curtiss had no objections and made a couple of suggestions on tube selection. The deal was made and I settled in for the 10 week ( ) wait.
Obviously it took longer than that. But that wasn't really unexpected at the time as I caught him in the middle of his move from California up to Winthrop, WA. Still, by month 4 I was, um, "anxious" to get my new frame. I happened to catch him at home on the phone one Friday morning in early December and he said it was ready to go I promptly called in sick to work, then made the drive from my home in Wenatchee to his place outside Winthrop in record time.
My first surprise was that the frame had been painted the wrong color, and didn't have the decals yet. Doug was instantly apologetic and offered to get it repainted. Magnanimously, I declared that British Racing Green was my new favorite frame color -- and it did grow on me really quickly. Doug applied the decals, and I had my frame !
Best part actually came after that, however. I hung out for the next couple of hours; meeting his wife and his adorable toddler daughter. I feel much older thinking about how that kid is maybe in junior high now and likely ripping around on some sweet ride built by her dad -- doesn't get a whole lot cooler than that. Anyway, after a bit it came out that he was in the process of getting his shop set up, and that he and his father-in-law should probably get back to it. Think I surprised him by offering to stay and help move all the heavy stuff. And some of his machinery was danged heavy. I'll never forget the odd feeling of, well, almost awe at having the opportunity to muscle around the equipment that was part of making my frame a reality ... and just helping out, even in the most simple way, the man who created a frame I still call my main ride to this day.
I may post a pic of the old girl ... I'm looking to give her a slight makeover after the new year parts-wise, and will definitely post one then. Now to convince the wife that I need a 'cross frame from Doug
so the front triangle is OX Platinum while the rear is on S3?
care to share the weight and the size?
I was also thinking of a similar setup for my lightweight body(140lbs kitted)
but read that S3 are road only, so put it up for a while..
time to email to doug for a new 24hr.
real sweet look bike!!
Thanks! Downtube is S3, with a OX Platinum that has the same profile as an S3 top tube. The Head tube also seems pretty thin, thinner than my old OX Platinum mtb head tube. The stays are not S3 because they are not up to the forces of a disc brake, nor do the Chainstays come with the clearance I wanted in the back.
It is a 29er, and I weigh 190-200 lbs. The frame has a 24.5" Effective Top tube, so it is fairly large.
I have been riding a fully tubed S3 cyclocross frame from Doug for 2 seasons and it has been beat pretty good, but has held up very nicely. Both ride like a dream. I just took the Solo 29er out a few hours ago, and it was perfect.
I ordered my Curtlo 29er in February and just got the frame this weekend. Don't have any decent pics yet (the ones below are from camera phone right after it arrived so the quality sucks), but will take some and post later this week. Doug's a really cool guy. The build process took a lot longer than I expected, but that's okay, it looks like it'll be worth the wait.
I ordered my Curtlo 29er in February and just got the frame this weekend. Don't have any decent pics yet (the ones below are from camera phone right after it arrived so the quality sucks), but will take some and post later this week. Doug's a really cool guy. The build process took a lot longer than I expected, but that's okay, it looks like it'll be worth the wait.
So, you finally got your new frame; nice! Is that a battleship gray color? Mine looks to be almost exactly the same.
So, you finally got your new frame; nice! Is that a battleship gray color? Mine looks to be almost exactly the same.
Thanks, yeah, it was a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooong wait, but I think it'll be worth it.
The color is actually greenish gray (from the Curtlo website), but for some reason, my camera phone makes it look much more gray than it actually is. The color is closer to the color in this pic:
Thanks, yeah, it was a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooong wait, but I think it'll be worth it.
The color is actually greenish gray (from the Curtlo website), but for some reason, my camera phone makes it look much more gray than it actually is. The color is closer to the color in this pic:
Mine is a battleship gray with a slight (I mean very slight) hint of metal flake. It's not what I ordered (exactly), but it's grown on me in a utilitarian way. I've had mine built up now for well over a month, but I've been too busy riding to get any good pictures I'll get some and then post them over the weekend.
Just got my drawings this morning. I am really pretty excited, Doug asked me what I thought of the bent top tube. I was not sure until I opened it to have a look. I mostly like classic lines but it is not a large bend, and I am digging the extra stand over.
"Life is a [email protected]#^ing story problem, get used to it - my son.
Just got my drawings this morning. I am really pretty excited, Doug asked me what I thought of the bent top tube. I was not sure until I opened it to have a look. I mostly like classic lines but it is not a large bend, and I am digging the extra stand over.
I'm happy to hear that my Curtlo brethren are starting to receive their finished frames. I'm still super pleased with mine; plan to do a 50 mile off road ride up in North Florida next month... on my new steel soft tail, and I'm looking forward to it.
About 5-1/2 months from deposit to frame. The 26" Epic w/Relish shock weights in at 4.96 lbs.
Final verdict:
When Doug talks to you about the bike, you feel like he's totally focused on you and that you're the only customer he has. His advice is gold and I have 100% confidence in his ability to build the best possible frame.
I wish he hadn't strung me along - I think that's an appropriate term - on the delivery date. I understand that the date is only an estimate, delays happen, and not everything is under his control (e.g. the painters), but it took over twice as long as his longest estimate, and he kept assuring me that it was nearly done even when that clearly wasn't the case. In my opinion that behavior adds an unnecessary negative element. I gather that I'm less forgiving about that than most of the other posters on this thread - are my expectations unrealistic?
There was also a snafu on the fork - I didn't get one. Doug said there was no fork on his order form. Give him benefit of the doubt because I don't remember, however I do have emails where we discussed which fork would be delivered with the bike.
My next frame may be another Curtlo, however we'll have to have a heart to heart over the real delivery date before I place my next order.
Not that I know of. I got into the queue last sept. After the few initial email exchanges, it was like communication blackout. There was no replies thereafter to emails.
Though no deposits was deducted either so besides several months of blind wait, I couldn't really complain of much else. Ended up getting an el-mariachi, but the day that doug finally replies and say that it's my turn, I'd still want to build that 24hr up.
i sent Doug money and a frame to have him retro-fit v-brake mounts and horizontal dropouts to. Total blackout on communication for the last 6-8 months. Very disappointed.
There are a zillion US-based custom frame builders and it seems that their basic MTB or even road frames start at $1,250 - $1,500 minimum w/out a fork. If you want a premium tube set add at least $150 but more like $250-$350. Then fillet or lugged-brazed keeps adding to the price maybe another $200-$300. Paint, custom add-ons, geez it never ends - big bucks.
Now Curtlo prices seem really good in comparison to many others. I've read that StrongFrames are really nicely welded but definitely more dollars then a Curtlo. Don't even think about a Steelman, IF etc.
Why the (perceived) more reasonable pricing on Curtlo's? Even a lot of really low-profile builders in different parts of the US charge more.
The only other builder that I found at this price point was Lyonsport - who does lugged and fillet brazing too.
Anyway is the good pricing why Curtlo has such long waits? Of course Vanilla on the other end of the pricing spectrum has long waits, too - must be alot of dot.com/stock options money out there.
Any other builders you can recommend that are less then the $2,000 frame only starting price
His low prices and the fact he is more or less a one man shop explains the long wait.
Don't let Dougs prices fool you. His frames are great. You can spend more for more elaborate paint jobs and headbadges, etc but I think the returns will be diminishing.
Plus, once you reach $2,000 for a steel frame, you should start thinking about titanium.
His low prices and the fact he is more or less a one man shop explains the long wait.
Don't let Dougs prices fool you. His frames are great. You can spend more for more elaborate paint jobs and headbadges, etc but I think the returns will be diminishing.
Plus, once you reach $2,000 for a steel frame, you should start thinking about titanium.
Thanks bigdrunk. Good point about the crossover to titanium from steel pricepoint. I suppose you would have to go to a production frame for titanium as custom titanium (from really any US/Euro builder is going to be insanely expensive. Geez what does a Serrotta or I.F. Ti. go for these days...
Any other builders you like in addition to Curtlo that offers a qualitysteel build at a pretty good pricepoint? Thanks again.
Dougs' frames look great, he's willing to build my dream bike and his prices are lower than a lot of made-overseas production steel frames. I guess the flipside is the wait, which is a non-issue for me since I'm laid up for the season with an injury. Let the stoke & waiting begin!
Got this one off ebay for $750 and it sold it a year later for $1000. The bike was great but just a hair big for me (the prior owner was way off on his measures). Doug was kind enough to pull the real specs for me from the serial number. You would be hard pressed to get a better bike for the price. If you spend more, it should be for looks because mine was in the class of my other "top" bikes (Keith built Bontrager Race Lite, Kona Hot built by TET Cycles, and Jericho Payback). Best steering of any of them. Bravo Doug!
Got this one off ebay for $750 and it sold it a year later for $1000. The bike was great but just a hair big for me (the prior owner was way off on his measures). Doug was kind enough to pull the real specs for me from the serial number. You would be hard pressed to get a better bike for the price. If you spend more, it should be for looks because mine was in the class of my other "top" bikes (Keith built Bontrager Race Lite, Kona Hot built by TET Cycles, and Jericho Payback). Best steering of any of them. Bravo Doug!
Serial number? Where is it located? Mine doesn't have one.
Interesting thread--I'm just about to put in an order for a Curtlo Softail (Epic Mountaineer?) spec'd to 650b wheels. I think it'll be a nice bike. I have never had a custom bike before, and Curtlo has a stock geometry--do most folks order the stock geometry, maybe a little tweaked, or are most getting full on custom fittings? Just makin' plans. B-)
Just make sure you are patient with Doug, I have been trying to order one for 2 weeks (It is the holidays) he usually responds pretty quick. They look like awsome bikes. I am going full custom, you might as well (doesnt cost extra). Im just getting the Advanced Mountaineer 29er. I am very excited, im 6'10" and have never had a bike that fits.
I have been trying to contact doug for over two weeks to order a frame. I am excited to put in the order I just cant get a hold of him? Has anyone had any luck? He might just be out for the holidays but I though I would see if anyone has contacted him.
Haven't spoken to him in a while, I told him I'd stay out of his hair until my turn in the queue came up.
I did supply him with all the pics & measurements he requested, plus a CAD file and some other stuff. (I went a bit OCD while I was recovering from an injury)
Just took my CAD file into photoshop elements. I'm hoping my all mountain Curtlo will look something like this:
I have been trying to contact doug for over two weeks to order a frame. I am excited to put in the order I just cant get a hold of him? Has anyone had any luck? He might just be out for the holidays but I though I would see if anyone has contacted him.
He and I have exchanged a couple of emails about my new order, so you might try that. He's answered me within a 4-5 days both times.
He said in one of his emails that he would call me to discuss details, that he can't usually hear the phone because of the noise in his shop so it's hard to get in touch with him by phone...
Sending in a deposit for one today. He is hard to get a hold of but I understand, costumers are the worst part of any job. And he seems worth the wait. I haven't read one complaint about his work. Even people who get the wrong color love there bike . I cant wait even though I know I will have to.
curtlo makes great bikes flat out, I placed an order a couple of years ago about this time. He told me then he usually starts to slow down at the beginning of the year. About stock bikes with Doug, don't even think about it. His system with the pictures of you on your current bike and likes and dislikes turns out spot on. My curtlo rides like a dream, he gave me tips on how to make my current bike treat be better also.
it did take 6 months so if you are planning to sell your current bike don't.
What kind of tubing is Curtlo building your frame out of? Ive been tossing the idea around of getting a NS Society or Chromag TRL but I just can't get myself to pull the trigger on a non U.S. made frame. Is there an upcharge on the spec you went with over his standard pricing?
I only ride bikes to fill the time when I'm not skiing.
Doug does make great bikes, and I learned a few cool things when I visited his shop last summer and got to talk with him for a while. He only builds about 100 or so frames a year. He tries to keep it at that to keep from getting overwhelmed and have it consume all of his time. 6 months is about right, mine took closer to 9 but there was an issue that got it delayed. Anyway, he told me he builds batches of 8-12 or so at a time, and then takes a little time off between batches doing things with his family (camping, xc skiing, biking, etc). His family is pretty important to him, and by setting things up the way he has, it keeps it more of a 9-5 40 hour a week job. It may make things a bit slower, but in my opinion a happy builder is going to make happy bikes.
"Life is a [email protected]#^ing story problem, get used to it - my son.
What kind of tubing is Curtlo building your frame out of? Is there an upcharge on the spec you went with over his standard pricing?
Well, it hasn't been built yet so I can't say!
Here's the deal though. I used to work for a small steel builder and so I had some very specific ideas about what I wanted... I emailed a few different builders to get bids.... Doug's reply was very enthusiastic, he seemed excited to build something burly and wasn't at all put off by my specific requests. He said his regular price of $825 would cover it, including oversize tubing and extra gussets. Done! I am opting to pay an extra $100 for the paragon slider drop-outs. These will give me adjustable chainstay length & tire clearance, replaceable der. hanger, and SS ability. I'm sure he will use high-quality tubing, beyond that I don't care if its reynolds, dedaci or true temper.
I don't mind the wait, I've got no reason to believe it won't be worth it. I'll have a nice box of parts ready by the time the frame is done.
Doug does make great bikes, and I learned a few cool things when I visited his shop last summer and got to talk with him for a while. He only builds about 100 or so frames a year. He tries to keep it at that to keep from getting overwhelmed and have it consume all of his time. 6 months is about right, mine took closer to 9 but there was an issue that got it delayed. Anyway, he told me he builds batches of 8-12 or so at a time, and then takes a little time off between batches doing things with his family (camping, xc skiing, biking, etc). His family is pretty important to him, and by setting things up the way he has, it keeps it more of a 9-5 40 hour a week job. It may make things a bit slower, but in my opinion a happy builder is going to make happy bikes.
Cool story--thanks for the great insight! I appreciate doing business with a fellow that has his priorities straight...
...I suppose the other way he could increase production would be to hire help, but I respect a guy that would rather be a craftsman than a boss.
I spent 10 hours getting fitted for a Curtlo and it was worth every minute. It took me 4 hours to get there from seattle and 4 back over the NW Cascade HWY. I spent 2 hours hanging with Doug. He wasn't building anything at the moment but he was getting his next batch ready. He is one of the nicest guys around. I will try to go back to pick up my bike if I can. It will be great to have a bike that actually fits for the first time since I was 12.
It was also nice to find a custom builder who's price includes custom geometry and anything needed to complete the custom bike. Allot of custom builders wanted to charge me extra for all customization I needed for my size.
Anyone know offhand what size BB shell Doug typically uses, 68 or 73mm? (this would be in an Epic Mountaineer Softtail) Just trying to get my parts lined up...
fully rigid single speed 29er. placed my order just after thanksgiving. doug is building the fork as well.
haven't decided on sliders or EBB. i have a Ti 26" with sliders that broke not longer after it was built. although it's been fine since they were fixed but that experience is always in the back of my head. if i do sliders i'm looking towards paragon's flanged version, although they're pricey.
i have a Ti 26" with sliders that broke not longer after it was built. although it's been fine since they were fixed but that experience is always in the back of my head. if i do sliders i'm looking towards paragon's flanged version, although they're pricey.
Not a Curtlo since it was Ti, I presume... but did it break at the sliders?
Not a Curtlo since it was Ti, I presume... but did it break at the sliders?
correct, doug doesn't do Ti, as far as i know.
the chainstay/slider weld cracked on the drive side. it looked to me like the slider was mitered, slid into the chainstay and then welded rather than what most people seem to do which is miter the chainstay. the fix was to cut the stays, weld on paragon bullet ends and then weld the back of the bullets to the front of the sliders. not the prettiest thing but good under the circumstances and have held up fine for 2 years now.
Just curious if any of you requested changes of revisions to the preliminary sketches Doug sent? And if so, how did that go and how long did it take to resolve?
Just curious if any of you requested changes of revisions to the preliminary sketches Doug sent? And if so, how did that go and how long did it take to resolve?
Thanks-
I did, and it took a couple of e-mail exchanges which were very promptly replied to.
It took less than 24 hours. It seems like once it's your turn, it's YOUR turn.
Good to hear.
I got a sketch from Doug last wednesday, haven't heard back since I replied asking for shorter top tube and head tube (like an inch shorter on both).
He probably does want your business but he is really slow at responding. I just picked up my bike from his shop in Winthrop this weekend and I will say the 10 month wait was worth it. Everyone that has seen the bike is blown away. Just realize going into it that you have to be really patient. It usually takes him a week or two for any kind of response. Good luck
I just ordered my third Curtlo, I have a 29er Advanced Mountaineer, an s3 Road and just ordered an Epic 29er. Doug takes awhile but absolutely delivers everything he says he will. It is well worth the wait every time!
Ryan mentioned you were building a Curtlo. Took a peek on your blog and all I can say is holy big bike! I'm 6-4 and my 29er still looks like a 29er, that almost looks like a 26" wheeled bike. It looks awesome and hope you enjoy it. Needless to say, not many off-the-shelf frames would even come close to working for you. Ryan should ditch the SuperFly and get something that fits him better as well, although, we don't see him on the trail much these days (marathon training and all).
Originally Posted by bigtymerider
He probably does want your business but he is really slow at responding. I just picked up my bike from his shop in Winthrop this weekend and I will say the 10 month wait was worth it. Everyone that has seen the bike is blown away. Just realize going into it that you have to be really patient. It usually takes him a week or two for any kind of response. Good luck
Yes, it is huge. I need to put it next to my wife's bike for a real perspective. I always get a kick out of looking at them on the yakima rack, my wife's looks like a kids bike. It is the first bike I have ever had to put a shorter stem on. Doug put a 130mm stem on it and the the top tube is already long. After riding the last few weeks I love the bike but it needs about a 100mm stem. I also have some creaks and tweaks to work out but in all its Awesome. He did a really good job since he had nothing to compare me on and it is diffenatly out of the norm for standard bike sizing. I am thinking about having him build me a road bike. If I order now I might have it by next summer.
I put in an order with Doug for an Epic Mountaineer 29er..took almost a full year beginning to end, despite a "month or two" when I asked over the phone......my experience was that he was unreachable until it's your turn and then he's all ears and will chat about anything.No biggie, I kinda assumed it going into it. He's a really nice guy and open to ideas, no doubt.Once received, I built mine and honestly found it very very very flexy to the point of disappointment.For what it's worth, I've never owned a bike that I couldn't adapt too.Also I should add that it is a beautiful bike to behold.But, I've scrutinized all components and swapped things out/pumped things up/locked things out and in the end, the frame is laterally a handful.....I can look down and see it twist like a dishrag while riding.A number of emails with lagging and limited response has shown me that what I commissioned was his decision making and there really is no recourse if I don't like the ride quality...thought I did a pretty thorough job of describing my needs/weight(160lbs)/riding style/intended use and choice of components....a tough pill to swallow given the length of wait time and bread/energy put out. Different strokes for different folks but I'll likely chalk this one up to catch and release and take a hit in the pocket book...my advice..try and ride one first.
I continued to ride my Curtlo softail rather than sell it and took it for a two week trans switzerland bikepacking tour. It cracked on the seatstay mid tour.....The great news is that Doug stands behind his work 100%. Once he had the frame back in his hands he decided to do a redesign for the rear triangle. Since I had been unhappy with the twisty front triangle he's offered to do a total do-over. I'm bailing on the softail design and he's come up with a laterally stiffer hardtail but vertically compliant design. Drawings are done and approved and I imagine maybe another month till delivery. Kudos to Doug for after the sale support. I'll post it ASAP.
After working some bugs out and spending some quality time with the new frame, I can go ahead and say I'm really really enjoying this one. I strongly recommend raising the diameter of the tubeset as I did. Having ridden both, the ride quality is still forgiving but way way stiffer laterally..... an ox plat geared 29er with paragon swinger dropouts. Doug stuck with it over the long haul and made sure I ended up with exactly the ride I originally commissioned.
After working some bugs out and spending some quality time with the new frame, I can go ahead and say I'm really really enjoying this one. I strongly recommend raising the diameter of the tubeset as I did. Having ridden both, the ride quality is still forgiving but way way stiffer laterally..... an ox plat geared 29er with paragon swinger dropouts. Doug stuck with it over the long haul and made sure I ended up with exactly the ride I originally commissioned.
Did you go with the Paragon Rocker dropouts? do you have any pics of the frame?
I am thinking about having him build me a 650b frame with the rocker dropouts so I can run SS or 1x9.
also what is the diameter of the tubeset you used? and were just the maintubes oversize, etc..
WAS enjoying it alot, cracked it after a dozen rides at the chainstay dropout welding, where the stay meets the Rockers. Sent back to Doug in December and got it back 2 weeks ago all fixed and completely repainted. I built up a Ritchey P29 in the interim with all the parts so not sure which way this one's going to go.
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Originally Posted by chruby99
. From all accounts, once your turn is up, thing happen fast, at least that's what I'm hoping for. I know the frame that Doug makes will be what I really want, so I'll do my best to chill and relax until then.
, I can also say that I firmly believe the end result will be well worth the wait
I guess you'd have to want one reeeeaaaaallly f'in bad.
Anyone out there know?
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I promptly called in sick to work, then made the drive from my home in Wenatchee to his place outside Winthrop in record time.
