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    Aussie Zion on the way

    Well the final pieces of my Zion puzzle arrived today
    Mine will be one of the few geared Zions that I have seen on the forum and I believe it is the ONLY geared Zion in Australia (correct me if I am wrong, I wont get upset).
    Pics soon but the buildkit is:

    * 20" Zion 737 frame
    * Thomson stem
    * Thomson seatpost
    * SLR Ti railed saddle
    * XT cranks (cheap but solid at $210)
    * SRAM PG990 cassette
    * Formula Oro K18 brakes
    * SRAM X9 shifters and rear derailleur
    * Shitmano XT front derailleur (SRAM dont make a front clamp size that works with the smaller tube diameter of steel frames
    * No name bolt on seatpost clamp (non QR)
    * Cane Creek S3 + 5 headset (has an extended lower crown to asist with downtube clearance)
    * Reba
    * Hope hubs laced to Sun DS2 rims with DT Competition spokes
    * Easton EC70 flat bar with foam grips

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    Well it is now 10.30pm over here and I have gotten this far.
    Too tired to be bothered trying to adjust gears and to cut hydro lines.
    That is a job for the morning.
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    I have no problem running my SRAM frt der on my Inbred which is small clamp size... they come with the adapters.
    That being said, keep the xt anyways , I think its a better der.
    That's going to be a nice build

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    First geared I've seen on the forums, Nice
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    Lookin good!

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    Looking sweet TR!

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    Looks nice, and a nice spec - I would be very intertested in the weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    I have no problem running my SRAM frt der on my Inbred which is small clamp size... they come with the adapters.
    That being said, keep the xt anyways , I think its a better der.
    That's going to be a nice build
    Did see that the adaptors were available but did not really want to use one (adaptor that is).
    Plus the XT was a VERY good price (free off a mate who had bought it and realised it was the wrong size)

    Thanks for the kind words on the build.

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    Thanks for the comments on the build.
    wilks, I will get back to you on the weight.
    Feels kind of heavy to me but I have an 8kg roadie and a 9.6kg SS 29er that I am comparing to.

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    I just bought a 35lb 6" dual suspension trail bike and am going to build a cheapish geared 29er (Zion probably although the fork clearance bugs me) for endurance races and as a contrast to the dual susser. Anyway, I suspect that a geared Zion with suspension fork will come in at around 26 or 27lbs with decent components. But that will seem plenty light enough for me! Please post a review once you get some good rides in too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks
    I just bought a 35lb 6" dual suspension trail bike and am going to build a cheapish geared 29er (Zion probably although the fork clearance bugs me) for endurance races and as a contrast to the dual susser.
    With the Cane Creek S3+5 headset the Pop Lock cap JUST touches the frame.
    With the Ventana 5mm race it will be perfect.

    Only bugs me as much as the fact that my Formula brakes come with about a foot too much hose.
    No biggee!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    With the Cane Creek S3+5 headset the Pop Lock cap JUST touches the frame.
    With the Ventana 5mm race it will be perfect.!!
    Can you use the Ventana King headset race with a Cane Creek headset? I thought races were brand specific?

    Look forward to your comparo to El Comandante. The final result for me is if you twisted my arm and made me choose one SS to have, it would be the Ventana, mainly due to handling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Can you use the Ventana King headset race with a Cane Creek headset? I thought races were brand specific?

    Look forward to your comparo to El Comandante. The final result for me is if you twisted my arm and made me choose one SS to have, it would be the Ventana, mainly due to handling.

    Keeping in mind my Zion is a geared bike.
    Looked at the 2 races and they look very similar.
    At worst I may need to bodge something up to sit under the Cane Creek race.I have a standard King race on it at the moment and it seem AOK.

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    Clearance issue

    TR, I had a similar problem with my Waltworks and Reba.

    I made a 2mm thick shim to go under the lower crown race and was no problem.

    The taper on the lower part of the steerer of a Reba is fairly long so you can do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cathyandrob
    TR, I had a similar problem with my Waltworks and Reba.

    I made a 2mm thick shim to go under the lower crown race and was no problem.
    Rob

    What did you make the shim out of??
    Did you machine it??
    I actually thought of using an alloy steerer spacer but it would not go down the steerer far enough.

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    Looks great! Like mine's well upgraded twin!
    I am CHEAP

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    TR,

    I made the shim out of aluminium, not the hardest stuff but easy to turn.
    Made it a loose press fit, not firm like the proper crown race.
    Turned it on my father-in-law's lathe.
    I'm no engineer but I dont think it has to be that hard.

    Here's a pic if it helps.

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    Still no firm weight but it is a good deal lighter than my Mate Derek's almost identically specced Sir 9.
    Helped him complete his build today and picked them up one after the other. he and I both agreed that his Sir 9 was heavier

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    Completed pics.
    Just got to sort out the disc hose length.

    Took her for a quick spin on the road in front of my house and nothing fell off, so that is a bonus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cathyandrob
    TR,

    I made the shim out of aluminium, not the hardest stuff but easy to turn.
    Made it a loose press fit, not firm like the proper crown race.
    Turned it on my father-in-law's lathe.
    I'm no engineer but I dont think it has to be that hard.

    Here's a pic if it helps.

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    Thanks Rob.
    I actually have some aluminium tubing lying around so will see if any will suit.

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    Nice to see a 20" finally. I'm looking to do a cheap geared bike for the season, and the Zion looks perfect for my taste. As a point of referance, how tall are you? Is your Reba set at 80mm or 100mm, and does yours have the adjustable Floodgate?
    Just a regular guy.

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    6'3" and would suggest that I am at the upper limit for who can ride this size comfortably.
    The TT is the same as my 22" Ventana El Comandante but the ST is shorter.
    My Reba is the Race and has external Floodgate and Compression dials. The floodgate will just hit the downtube and the Compression lever will also hit in certain positions.
    Reba is currently set at 100mm.

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    Got out for a 50km ride on her today.
    1st impressions are that she climbs and descends at least as well as my El Comandante but does not corner quite as well at speed.
    There was limited single track involved today but she seemed stable and well behaved when she was on it.

    Just need to learn to use gears better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    1st impressions are that she climbs and descends at least as well as my El Comandante but does not corner quite as well at speed.
    Sorta impressive given the price difference in the frames.

    How about ride comfort?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Sorta impressive given the price difference in the frames.

    How about ride comfort?
    At least as comfortable as the Ventana but I did not have saddle position dialled which was causing a little discomfort as I kept sliding off the back of the saddle.
    Should have grabbed a quick back to back comparo with my friend's Sir9 but basically forgot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks
    Anyway, I suspect that a geared Zion with suspension fork will come in at around 26 or 27lbs with decent components.
    Good guess wilks.
    26.6lb according to the bathroom scales.

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    Are you riding this bike on Saturday, debating whether to take the Niner and suffer, or wimp out and take out a little wheeled bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoWay Ray
    Are you riding this bike on Saturday, debating whether to take the Niner and suffer, or wimp out and take out a little wheeled bike...
    Put gears on the Niner Ray and have the best of both worlds.
    I have ridden the Saturday route on the rigid SS before.
    Not much fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Good guess wilks.
    26.6lb according to the bathroom scales.
    even a blind squirell finds an acorn occasionally !
    - reba clearance still bugs me and am undecided on buying the frame - i think it is lame and lazy by the designers not to manufacture a 29er frame that fits the most popular 29er fiork..., even more lame is a custom frame not fitting one - i may opt for something else.........all the parts are on hand or ordered aside from the frame and seatpost......we'll see what I decide.

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