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    07 XCL Ride Report (and Motolite comparison)

    I had the chance to meet up with the Chumba Racing boys when they came through town. We went on a nice little ride and took out an 07 Medium XCL and a new AM Evo.

    My buddy has a Medium Motolite so we took it along on our ride to compare it with the new 5 inch travel XCL..

    He and I were literally jumping back and forth from XCL to Motolite throughout the ride as we are the same size and have the same pedals. It was really fun to be able to compare as we rode.

    The ride was a narrow rock and root infested singletrack. It is a fun section with tight turns and a couple steeper spots. Let me preface the whole thing by saying that I really like the Motolite and have considered owning one for quite a while.

    So to the report...

    The first thing that was noticable was that the XCL was more slack feeling in the geometry. It had a little longer fork, so that certainly had something to do with it.

    The Motolite felt much more XC while the XCL had a flavor of downhill inspiration. Along with the Geometry, the XCL was siginificantly more plush feeling.

    Going uphill it tended to roll easily over small rocks. The Motolite was harsher and you tended to feel rocks and roots buck the bike around more. So this made (in my opinion) the heavier XCL climb with less effort (over uneven terrain) than the lighter Motolite. Some of this was probably the way the suspension was set up, but it was pretty dramatic.

    Coming from an Evo, I was surprised by how plush the XCL felt. In thinking about getting a more all mountain frame than the Evo, I was concerned that the XCL wouldn't feel plush enough. I can say that it feels like more than 5 inches of travel to me.

    The most important thing I noticed about the XCL presented itself as we started going downhill. It seemed to really shine going into corners. At first I ended up slowing down too much expecting the bike to get loose if I had been going faster. I quickly noticed that I could pretty much throw the thing into corners almost out of control and be able to stick it out and accelerate out of the turn.

    This was very different than the Motolite where the rear end tended to get light and not hold its line as well.

    Wow. This made the riding just that much more fun and provided us to be able to go faster. My friend that owns the Motolite and rides it all the time noticed the XCL able to take corners much faster right away as well. I attribute the way the XCL rode partially to geometry, but mostly to having more lateral stiffness than the Motolite.

    It is obvious how much beefier the XCL is than the Motolite. Everything is bigger and wider, likely lending to the increased stiffness. It also feels more huckable and more flickable.

    Many thanks to Walter and Jason of Chumba for the ride and for their time! Couldn't be nicer guys.

    Bottom line is that I like it so much that I think I am going to swap the Evo that I have for an XCL. I love my Evo, but tend to climb a lot and could use something with a more all mountain style.

    Also, I have an 07 Large XCL built up (non butted), but I think I fit better on the Medium. I am 5'11 175lbs.

    So if anybody wants to buy a slightly used 07 XCL Large frame so I can get a Medium please let me know! I would sell it at a used price of course (even though it has never been off road, only parking lot tested).

    Bottom Photo: Orange Evo is 2007 with AM Geometry. Black Evo is a 2006 with more slack seatpost.
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    Nice EVO comparo, too

    Nice side by side shot of the Evos for seatpost angle comparison, too. Which drop post is that on the Evo?
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    maverick.

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    Sold (on the idea of getting a XCL)!

    Guess I wouldn't mind adding an XCL to the collection either for those days when the EVO might be a little too much.

    Edit: Didn't want to sound like I wanted to buy your large frame. I fit into a medium as well.
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    Unita, did you notice any major riding differences between the '06 Evo and the new AM version?

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    I stopped reading when you said the ML's rear end tended to slide out in corners, "but yet" the EXCL hung in there great or some such nonsense. I sorta tune out when I hear a load of crap I know to be unfounded.

    The rest sounds pretty much like an atempt to compare a ML with an Rp23 with a ML with a DHX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    I stopped reading when you said the ML's rear end tended to slide out in corners, "but yet" the EXCL hung in there great or some such nonsense. I sorta tune out when I hear a load of crap I know to be unfounded.

    The rest sounds pretty much like an atempt to compare a ML with an Rp23 with a ML with a DHX.
    Seriously! So much of your comparison could be attributed to:

    1. Different shock (DHX-Air vs. Float)
    2. Bigger fork (about 1lbs heavier with a thru axle)
    3. Significantly stiffer/wider rims
    4. Significantly higher volume tires
    5. Much better brakes

    You're basically comparing XC to All Mountain and telling everyone that you prefer All Mountain -- not the XCT over the MotoLite.

    Use the same parts on those two frames, try your comparison again and then get back to us... Not to say the XPL isn't a bomber bike, but you're making it sound like your test is a level playing field.

    By the way, the Motolite uses the same moto-cross inspired, box-style clevis swingarm that is used on the Super-Moto - Titus's black diamond bike. It doesn't get much stiffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    ... Super-Moto - Titus's black diamond bike. ....
    You've read far too many MBA issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Mountain
    You've read far too many MBA issues
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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    I stopped reading when you said the ML's rear end tended to slide out in corners, "but yet" the EXCL hung in there great or some such nonsense. I sorta tune out when I hear a load of crap I know to be unfounded.

    The rest sounds pretty much like an atempt to compare a ML with an Rp23 with a ML with a DHX.
    I don't want to comment on another manufacturer's bike, but I thought Uinta's review in most respects corroborates other reviews the XCL has been receiving. You can check out our review in this month's MBA on our site: http://www.chumbaracing.com/xcl.shtml
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    And from the Titus crowd...



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    good times...

    Sorry, I dont feel like I had enough time on the AM Evo to make a quality comparison vs the 06 Evo. I wish I could have had more time on it, but I really wanted to ride the XCL.

    Well thanks for reading my comparison. It was really fun to get a chance to ride these bikes head to head. It looks like it would have helped if I had done a better job of prefacing the differences between the build of the bikes.

    I did mention the difference in Fork and the difference in suspension setup. Wheels and tires were different as well. We were all very aware of this as we rode and compared the bikes.

    As I made the comparison, the difference in build concepts was at the forefront of my mind. Yes, it would have been ideal to have the exact same setup, but we could only use what we had at the time.

    Keep in mind that this was all in good fun and I really like the Motolite and have ridden them quite a bit with several different builds. Also, I enjoy AM and XC riding equally.

    To reiterate my personal findings, two things seemed very obvious. The XCL felt much more plush. To me this was more than just the difference between DHX and RP3 (and the fork), but those factors certainly had much to do with it.

    The XCL also tended to rail corners with more authority. Obviously, whether this is due to stiffness or geometry or suspension setup or build in general is impossible for me to say with absolute certainty, but it was a clear difference.

    Just to continue a fun debate, I would be curious to hear how Blackagness "knows" that this is "unfounded". I don't believe that I ever said that the cornering ability of the XCL vs Motolite was "founded" principle, rather just my opinion. Have you ridden both? Ever seen how wide and beefy an XCL is? There is around one pound of extra material on the XCL.

    Also, it is an XCL not a "EXCL" or a "XCT" or a "XPL". I hope we are all talking about the same bike here.

    Thanks!

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    Titus Moto vs Chumba XCL

    There is another, older thread, on the Titus forum, which also compares these 2 bikes, albeit the older 4.5" travel XCL.

    Similar results, similar discussions, nice pics.

    All is well.....


    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ite+chumba+xcl

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    Wow, thanks for that link jsatch.

    I think that makes me feel a little bit better about what I experienced while riding these bikes. I certainly suggest anyone interested in the XCL or the Motolite get a chance to ride them both. I like the comment about the companies history and how the bikes reflect their background. Also, I like how this smiley looks like the Chumba badge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uinta
    Wow, thanks for that link jsatch.
    My pleasure.

    Thanks for the write up uinta.

    Some sweet rides.

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    Oh Pleaze!!!

    Your running a ML with an older FOX "130mm" QR fork and Rp3/23 against an XYZ with DHX, and 20mm TA fork! Runn the XPQ against "MY" ML with a DHX coil, and AM SL1 20mm TA fork with 120-160mm travel, and I have a sneaking suspicion the results might be a little diffrent. It doesn't take Einstin to fugure it out, nor is the "company man" gonna persuade me by steering me to a "glowing" XFU MBA review. I'd be happy to point anyone twords the ML's own "GLOWING" MBA review if you feel it necassary?

    But just to keep it real "which is all I'm doing", the XCL is one of my favorite bikes right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Your running a ML with an older FOX "130mm" QR fork and Rp3/23 against an XYZ with DHX, and 20mm TA fork! Runn the XPQ against "MY" ML with a DHX coil, and AM SL1 20mm TA fork with 120-160mm travel, and I have a sneaking suspicion the results might be a little diffrent. It doesn't take Einstin to fugure it out, nor is the "company man" gonna persuade me by steering me to a "glowing" XFU MBA review. I'd be happy to point anyone twords the ML's own "GLOWING" MBA review if you feel it necassary?

    But just to keep it real "which is all I'm doing", the XCL is one of my favorite bikes right now.
    Chill man, the only thing Uinta did was give his PERSONAL review. He didn't hold himself out as a "professional" reviewer. His review was well written and expressed what he felt and percieved. I can't personally comment on either bike since I have not ridden either, though I did strongly consider an ML. I ended up with a Ventana X-5, which is another great bike. No matter what bike you ride, enjoy the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Your running a ML with an older FOX "130mm" QR fork and Rp3/23 against an XYZ with DHX, and 20mm TA fork! Runn the XPQ against "MY" ML with a DHX coil, and AM SL1 20mm TA fork with 120-160mm travel, and I have a sneaking suspicion the results might be a little diffrent. It doesn't take Einstin to fugure it out, nor is the "company man" gonna persuade me by steering me to a "glowing" XFU MBA review. I'd be happy to point anyone twords the ML's own "GLOWING" MBA review if you feel it necassary?

    But just to keep it real "which is all I'm doing", the XCL is one of my favorite bikes right now.

    nice! I was actually laughing out loud. I actually think both bikes suck. There simply isn't enough of a ratio to rationalize the rotational effect and it doesn't seem like anyone can actually prove a damn thing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Your running a ML with an older FOX "130mm" QR fork and Rp3/23 against an XYZ with DHX, and 20mm TA fork! Runn the XPQ against "MY" ML with a DHX coil, and AM SL1 20mm TA fork with 120-160mm travel, and I have a sneaking suspicion the results might be a little diffrent. It doesn't take Einstin to fugure it out, nor is the "company man" gonna persuade me by steering me to a "glowing" XFU MBA review. I'd be happy to point anyone twords the ML's own "GLOWING" MBA review if you feel it necassary?

    But just to keep it real "which is all I'm doing", the XCL is one of my favorite bikes right now.
    BA

    That was really funny...XFU...brilliant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Your running a ML with an older FOX "130mm" QR fork and Rp3/23 against an XYZ with DHX, and 20mm TA fork! Runn the XPQ against "MY" ML with a DHX coil, and AM SL1 20mm TA fork with 120-160mm travel, and I have a sneaking suspicion the results might be a little diffrent. It doesn't take Einstin to fugure it out, nor is the "company man" gonna persuade me by steering me to a "glowing" XFU MBA review. I'd be happy to point anyone twords the ML's own "GLOWING" MBA review if you feel it necassary?

    But just to keep it real "which is all I'm doing", the XCL is one of my favorite bikes right now.
    Cool. Putting all the debate aside, I just want everyone to try a XCL out. I have no doubt in my mind that it will perform equally as well, if not better, than any other trail bike out there. One thing I can say, very few bikes in this price range can touch the XCL. What we've done is offer a $1,850 (original price of XCL) racing chassis, improve it, and offer it for $1,400.

    And I say this based on the hundreds of demos I've done, and years I've logged on this bike. I take it your in the Nor Cal area? It may be our next stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUMBAevo
    What we've done is offer a $1,850 (original price of XCL) racing chassis, improve it, and offer it for $1,400.

    And I say this based on the hundreds of demos I've done, and years I've logged on this bike. I take it your in the Nor Cal area? It may be our next stop.
    Exact opposite of what Titus did with the motolite...as far as pricing goes. Both are great bikes.

    And Blacky is in Alabama...any chance ChumbaJason is gonna risk his hide drivin' out there on this trip? If he does, whatch out for Blackagness...he shoots first and asks questions later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    Exact opposite of what Titus did with the motolite...as far as pricing goes. Both are great bikes.

    And Blacky is in Alabama...any chance ChumbaJason is gonna risk his hide drivin' out there on this trip? If he does, whatch out for Blackagness...he shoots first and asks questions later.
    Thanks, we realized price is important, and trying to do everything we can to help riders out while getting them on race worthy rigs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUMBAevo
    I take it your in the Nor Cal area? It may be our next stop.
    Do tell... I wanna ride one of these bad boys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chucko58
    Do tell... I wanna ride one of these bad boys!
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    Not A Prob Man...

    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    whatch out for Blackagness...he shoots first and asks questions later.

    For you, I'd shoot first..... no qestions asked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chambao

    And I say this based on the hundreds of demos I've done, and years I've logged on this bike. I take it your in the Nor Cal area? It may be our next stop.

    If you sale as many of these bikes, as I have a feeling your gonna, ya'll might be forced to "even" visit AL, one day.

    Which "for the record" is the most hospitable state, in the most hospitable region of the country.... almost to a fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    If you sale as many of these bikes, as I have a feeling your gonna, ya'll might be forced to "even" visit AL, one day.

    Which "for the record" is the most hospitable state, in the most hospitable region of the country.... almost to a fault.
    AL is a very friendly state, indeed. I have family there and a great story from my wife's drive across the state (a long story, take my word for it).

    I take it that is where you are from, then? Where? How is the riding? Got any pics? Maybe this needs to be a new thread. Maybe an action pic of a Chumba in AL just to see how the riding is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtDad
    Maybe an action pic of a Chumba in AL just to see how the riding is?
    Blacky rides a Titus Motolite. Maybe he could post a picture of that?...although, his camera takes the fuzziest looking pictures I've ever seen.
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    Yeah!

    Quote Originally Posted by geolover
    Blacky rides a Titus Motolite. Maybe he could post a picture of that?...although, his camera takes the fuzziest looking pictures I've ever seen.
    Be thankful I don't yet own an XCL.

    Though the thought has past through my mind severl times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackagness
    Be thankful I don't yet own an XCL.

    Though the thought has past through my mind severl times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uinta
    I had the chance to meet up with the Chumba Racing boys when they came through town. We went on a nice little ride and took out an 07 Medium XCL and a new AM Evo.

    My buddy has a Medium Motolite so we took it along on our ride to compare it with the new 5 inch travel XCL..

    He and I were literally jumping back and forth from XCL to Motolite throughout the ride as we are the same size and have the same pedals. It was really fun to be able to compare as we rode.

    The ride was a narrow rock and root infested singletrack. It is a fun section with tight turns and a couple steeper spots. Let me preface the whole thing by saying that I really like the Motolite and have considered owning one for quite a while.

    So to the report...

    The first thing that was noticable was that the XCL was more slack feeling in the geometry. It had a little longer fork, so that certainly had something to do with it.

    The Motolite felt much more XC while the XCL had a flavor of downhill inspiration. Along with the Geometry, the XCL was siginificantly more plush feeling.

    Going uphill it tended to roll easily over small rocks. The Motolite was harsher and you tended to feel rocks and roots buck the bike around more. So this made (in my opinion) the heavier XCL climb with less effort (over uneven terrain) than the lighter Motolite. Some of this was probably the way the suspension was set up, but it was pretty dramatic.

    Coming from an Evo, I was surprised by how plush the XCL felt. In thinking about getting a more all mountain frame than the Evo, I was concerned that the XCL wouldn't feel plush enough. I can say that it feels like more than 5 inches of travel to me.

    The most important thing I noticed about the XCL presented itself as we started going downhill. It seemed to really shine going into corners. At first I ended up slowing down too much expecting the bike to get loose if I had been going faster. I quickly noticed that I could pretty much throw the thing into corners almost out of control and be able to stick it out and accelerate out of the turn.

    This was very different than the Motolite where the rear end tended to get light and not hold its line as well.

    Wow. This made the riding just that much more fun and provided us to be able to go faster. My friend that owns the Motolite and rides it all the time noticed the XCL able to take corners much faster right away as well. I attribute the way the XCL rode partially to geometry, but mostly to having more lateral stiffness than the Motolite.

    It is obvious how much beefier the XCL is than the Motolite. Everything is bigger and wider, likely lending to the increased stiffness. It also feels more huckable and more flickable.

    Many thanks to Walter and Jason of Chumba for the ride and for their time! Couldn't be nicer guys.

    Bottom line is that I like it so much that I think I am going to swap the Evo that I have for an XCL. I love my Evo, but tend to climb a lot and could use something with a more all mountain style.

    Also, I have an 07 Large XCL built up (non butted), but I think I fit better on the Medium. I am 5'11 175lbs.

    So if anybody wants to buy a slightly used 07 XCL Large frame so I can get a Medium please let me know! I would sell it at a used price of course (even though it has never been off road, only parking lot tested).

    Bottom Photo: Orange Evo is 2007 with AM Geometry. Black Evo is a 2006 with more slack seatpost.
    Just caught up with this thread. I've ridden my Titus ML for about two years and bought an XCL about 3 months ago. Both are med size frames. Really like both bikes. My comparison is pretty much identical to the post above. Maybe this just reflects the different components and setup of each bike. Not sure and don't really care cause I'm not a techie MTB rider. I only care about the riding experience and on that front I enjoy riding the XCL more. By far the biggest difference is suspension. I feel most everything thru the bars on the ML and the XCL just floats over trail slop. I've tried adjusting the Talas forks, but can't get anywhere near the plushness I get with the Pike. I can also adjust the forks/shock more precisely on the XCL. With forks lowered and locked out, and rear stock at max propedal stiffness, it feels darn near like a hardtail. No question the XCL is a bit heavier than the ML and in a race that would matter. But I don't race. And for epic rides where you're not sure what you'll encounter on the trail and comfort matters, I'll go with the XCL.

    And my recently purchased and similarily equipped XCL was about $1k less expensive than my ML.

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