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    What handlebar width are you using?

    Ordered a new Raceface Sixc to replace the 760mm alum bar that came on my Hightower. The Sixc is 800mm! Gonna try it out but will probably end up chopping it to 780. Just curious what everyone else is running.
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    On my hardtail/beater bike running a 640mm, my XC bike a 680mm and my enduro a 740mm. I still mostly prefer a narrower bar with lots of the trails I ride sometimes a wide bar means busted knuckles.

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    762mm flat bar on my hardtail 29er and 720mm on my Magna singlespeed commuter.

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    5'8" tall running a medium SC Nomad, 50mm stem and 780mm bars. My last bike had 710 bar, but after going wide, I'll never go back.

    I ride plenty of tight trails and do not find myself clipping tree trunks.

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    5'4. using 780 bars with a 55mm stem on a Pivot 429trail. Perfect setup for me. Same bars that you are buying. I liked them so much I bought 2 other pairs for my other bikes.

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    750, because anything wider hits the trees. Already hitting some at 750, but I don't want to make it any worse.
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    6'3 running xl frame with 787 bars and 35mm stem, the bike came with 760mm and definitely prefer a slightly wider bar, been toying with the idea of 800mm

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    Im running 800 on Medium Nomad 3cc

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    Love this subject. The other piece of context is 'what did you use to ride?'

    When I started riding in 1996, I had a 150mm stem with 530cm bars. Every few years, stem has gotten shorter and bars wider.

    Today, I'm at 40mm stem and 780 bars, ideally on a 140mm travel bike. The interesting thing is I don't like to change this anymore whether it's a hardtail or a 170mm travel bike. I like to keep it in that neighborhood and not have to change my stance.
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    Spank 777mm in 50mm rise. I've only wrecked twice because of the width
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    800mm on my trail bike and my single speed.

    I have pretty wide shoulders, so maybe it is just me, but I love it. So much more control.

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    730mm bars with a 50mm stem on a Ripley. 5'9" and all torso.

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    I've got the same bars - they're sweet. What rise did you choose?

    Personally, I try to match proper "bench press" form&feel to determine bar width - so your elbows aren't too far outside your power zone when taking on impacts. My shoulders are wide, so 780mm worked okay, but feels massively different from 800mm. The 760mm bars on factory bikes feel silly. It's all about your shoulder width.

    There is a balance between bar width, stem length...and steerer length. Adding rise into the bars retains the reach while adding stack height. Adding steerer length reduces reach while adding stack height. Reducing stem length slightly decreases stack height while reducing reach.

    My recent shift from 20mm rise 780mm width to 800mm with 35mm rise was a massive improvement in riding position on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtJunky View Post
    I've got the same bars - they're sweet. What rise did you choose?
    20mm rise. I like the height of the front end as it currently is. Pairing them to 50mm RF Turbine stem.

    Coming off of a 75mm stem and 720mm bars on my old setup, it's pretty awesome.
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    RaceFace Sixc DH 785mm barzzz with Spank Spike 35mm stem.

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    740mm Ibis riser bars with 50mm stem. I feel like somewhere around 760-780 would be better, as my natural position puts my hands right at the ends of my bars. I'm 5'-10", with disproportionately long arms/torso. My bike came with a 70mm stem, just put on the 50 recently. Given my ape-like proportions, I think the 70 was a bit more comfortable, but I feel like the 50 handles better. Ugg. Next bike I'll make sure to have plenty of reach and low seat tube height for my ape body, with wider bars and a stubby stem.

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    785 on the full squish

    740 on the hardtail / rigid, 680 when I race CX on it.

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    I had 740mm bars and 70mm stem that came spec on my bike but swapped them out for 800mm bars and 45mm stem with the expectation that I'd cut them down a little. 6mo later I'm still riding them at 800 and loving it. Truth is these bars are a bit wide, and trees are a problem in some places but generally not.

    If I did cut them down to 780 or so I'm likely to be satisfied just the same, but I don't find that I'm generally holding the bars too far inboard, so better to leave it, imho.

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    780mm sixc 20mm rise bars with 50mm stem on the nomad

    760mm azonic cfks 20mm rise bars with 35mm stem on the trance

    720mm spank tweet tweet bars 50mm rise with 50mm stem on my dj

    I'm 6'0 tall with somewhat short arms. With every set of bars I rode them and slowly cut them down to where they are now, satisfied with each of them.

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    800mm Santa Cruz bars with 50mm stem on my XL Nomad. I'm 6'3.5" tall. My previous bike had 780mm Chromag OSX bars.

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    6'3'', recently went from 720 to 800 and shortened stem by 10mm. Better, yes, but not like night and day. Still getting used to less clearance. Clipped a boulder in Tahoe and tree in Granite Bay, the boulder just a scrape, the tree pretty hard, yanked the bars good but I managed to stay upright.

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    800mm on the trail bike and 780 with bar-ends (!) on the XC bike. Last time I traveled I took my bars and stem with me so I wouldn't have to go back to 680's!

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    Current bike 130mm travel running an 800mm but probably go back to 780.

    2009 - 2015 : 120mm travel I ran 760, then 780.

    Pre 2009 a 160mm travel ran ~700mm

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    181cm's w/ 191cm wingspan (Simian build), my first MTB (ht-29") bars were 720-ish (sit up and beg bike).

    Next bike AM 650b had 740mm bars. Bought a Funn bar @ 785mm - shortened to 780mm.

    My FS Trail 29er has 775mm bars.

    780mm is the jam ^^
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    800mm here and couldn't be happier. No chopping needed

    Actually, never thought about shortening them. Previously I had 740 and these wider are better.
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    Using a 530 mm width bar....which also has 135 mm reach and 80 mm drop...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokchoicowboy View Post
    Using a 530 mm width bar....which also has 135 mm reach and 80 mm drop...
    What kind if bike? What were you riding 10 years ago? Just curious.
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    Hey quick question for all you bike ergo geeks...is handlebar rise related to tight lower back on extended climbs? I'm thinking of going to a 40mm rise bar

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    6'3" on full squish bikes. I prefer 760mm carbon bars. I tried 780mm for a couple of weeks but it felt a little awkward. I cut my new Renthal Fatbar Carbon bars down to 760mm. I find it easier to maneuver and avoid tree strikes.

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    787m 25mm rise. I'm thinking about going 800

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    Just dropped one of these on last night - https://www.coloradocyclist.com/east...riser-bar-40mm

    Test run this morning reveals it does everything required. I like the width better then the 800 it replaced, and the 40mm rise is perfect for keeping my monkey-build at all the right angles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssalinas View Post
    Hey quick question for all you bike ergo geeks...is handlebar rise related to tight lower back on extended climbs? I'm thinking of going to a 40mm rise bar
    I've found that lower back pain/tightness is more often related to tight hamstrings or lack of core strength.
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    One of the bummer stories I hear is my friends buying new bikes and cutting the bars immediately to match their old bike. A friend recently brought a Bronson with 780mm bars and immediately cut it to 680mm before the first ride.

    He said, "It IS personal preference."

    I said, "Not always. Sometimes, it's familiarization with bad fit and geometry, pioneering days or unwillingness to consider anything different no matter how good."

    I always tell them, "Do not cut!!! Ride it at least 5 times, then cut." Usually folks will not cut. And when they do, the cut is not as drastic.

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    Rocking 800mm Race Face SixC 35 bars with a 35mm stem on my Mojo HD3. At first I thought they were too wide, but now I love the setup.

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    Stock 16 Stumpy Expert came with 750s and currently went with Renthal 780 carbons. So far so good. They are about the same width as my dirt bike bars. They do feel a little tight in some sections.
    Have a 50mm stem - may try 35 or 40 now?
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    I'm rolling with 800mm Chromag BZA bars with 35mm length stem. I may cut them down to 780mm but so far the feel great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_510 View Post
    I've found that lower back pain/tightness is more often related to tight hamstrings or lack of core strength.
    I agree. It's generally related to limited range of motion unless your cockpit is way out of whack. See some of Abbie's videos on pinkbike.

    Oh, and my bars are 720mm but (at 5'8" tall) I wouldn't mind slightly wider

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    710's. But after reading this thread, maybe I shouldn't like them so much??? Steel HT 29r, 5'11".

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    6'-1.5" long arms and legs, short torso. 50mm stem 740mmx20mm riser bars on the trail bike. 80mm stem (going to get a shorter one) 720mmx20mm rise on the XC. There are plenty of trails where this feels about max (china camp).

    I might could go longer, but everytime I try and ride with my hands at the edges of the grips it feels excessive so I'll probably leave it alone until the next bar purchase becomes necessary. My guess is that you won't be able to buy bars shorter than 800mm+ in the not too distant future (if not already?), with the assumption the end user will cut if necessary. So that would give me the chance to check it out, see if I am missing something.

    I can tell you that when switching back to 440mm wide c-c road bars on my cross/road bike that sh!t is wack and definitely takes some getting used to.

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    740mm Enve RSR, 50mm stem.
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    740mm Enve SWP with Syntace Flatforce 90mm stem on a 2013 Tallboy. I'm a short legged long torso 5'7" and needed the stretch and low front end. Works pretty sweet although it tends to nose down in the air.

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    740, too wide in some places. 760 probably would be a better fit.
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    I have the SixC carbon bars @ 35mm, uncut at 800mm with a 40mm stem. It felt wide for a few rides, but now I absolutely love it and now when I sit on my old bike, it just feels wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    What kind if bike? What were you riding 10 years ago? Just curious.
    Ten years ago the bike was a 10 year old GT LTS-1 with a flat-bar with about a 560 mm width with a 100 mm stem. As far as the bar and the bike I quoted before...I guess you must not have seen that the bar has a drop and reach value that puts it into a different geometric shape than the usual flat or riser mountain bike bar...that thing is mounted on this bike that I ride just to be different...or weird...depending on how you look at it:

    What handlebar width are you using?-analog.jpg

    What handlebar width are you using?-img_1444780061972.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzedf View Post
    740, too wide in some places. 760 probably would be a better fit.
    Duh fuq?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inter71 View Post
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    40mm stem with a 785mm bar. Only punched a few trees around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
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    I assumed they meant that for where they ride the 740 is still too wide, however a 760 would fit their body better..? \_(ツ)_/
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    In NorCal, wide bars is not a huge issue since we don't have many trees 30 inches apart.

    Also we gain more control with these bars.

    East Coast is another issue.

    Getting through doorways is another problem though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Getting through doorways is another problem though.
    Or the damn gate at the main Skeggs parking lot.

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    What handlebar width are you using?

    Bontrager has a new a new bar called the Dropline and it's usually on bikes as 750mm. I asked why not wider and they said it also comes in 820 as well. I asked why so wide and they said so everyone will STFU.
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    760mm on my nomad. Ran 780 for a while, then 770. I like the narrower feel. If you dont have the broad shoulders or not doing DH only, theres no reason to go wide. Go look at the bar width of pros and most will probably running wider bars than 75% of them.
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    800mm ENVE bars on XL HD3 perfect for me

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    800 mm ENVE bars, 55 mm 6 stem, XL Mojo HD. Some minor tree issues every now and then but the ergonomics work for me.

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    Check out the bar widths in this video.

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    Race Face Atlas 760mm / 20 rise (31.8 clamp) - shortened - on my niner RIP9

    Race Face Atlas 780mm / 35 rise (35 clamp) - shortened - on my Scott Big Ed Fatty


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    My old bike was 560mm with bar ends and a 115mm stem. When it became my commuter I took the bar ends off and cut it down to 540 to leave everything in the same place on the bars. Helps me cut through the wind!

    New bike I built with 740mm bars and a 40mm stem. Then I decided to buy some carbon bars, ordered the '15 Chromag cutlass since they were on sale and were 750mm. But Jenson decided I needed longer cuz they sent me the '16 bars which are 780mm. Actually rode them and didn't notice until one day when I happened to read the print on the bars. I might cut them down but then I might not. They don't feel too wide or anything (I'm 6'). I do notice a bit more flex though. I can see how someone running 800+ might choose to go with 35mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiphopopotamus View Post
    I can see how someone running 800+ might choose to go with 35mm.
    ...or just buy a proper 31.8 bar that is well-engineered and not flexy.

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    Or a bmx bar. 22.2mm and zero flex!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Bontrager has a new a new bar called the Dropline and it's usually on bikes as 750mm. I asked why not wider and they said it also comes in 820 as well. I asked why so wide and they said so everyone will STFU.
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    I switched from 740s to 800s and like them a lot. Feel like I have more control, and so far have not clipped too many trees.

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    40mm stem and 780mm bar.


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    Had stock 740 bars no complaints...bought SiXc 760 bars which were nicer....Got Answer SL Carbon 780 bars and they are amazing on my Spider 275. The Answer SLs came in at 188 grams which was 22g lighter than the SiXc bars. At 220lbs not had any issues.

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    Well I guess the Sixc bars that I wanted were discontinued (orange graphics). I went with the narrower Next 760mm bars. Apparently the Santa cruz Palmdale grips add 10mm to each each side of the bar.


    Really wanted orange details to match my Orange/Mint green Hightower. Fashion over function?...perhaps.
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    I switched from a 730bar/80stem to a 800bar/40stem. Different bikes though. So far when going downhill, I love the extra width. When pedaling around I feel like a narrower bar would be comfortable. I'm considering trimming to 760mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikeventures View Post
    I switched from a 730bar/80stem to a 800bar/40stem. Different bikes though. So far when going downhill, I love the extra width. When pedaling around I feel like a narrower bar would be comfortable. I'm considering trimming to 760mm.
    if you have lock-on grips it would be pretty easy to try out dif widths by just popping the end caps off and moving the grips inward with the controls and going for a few small rides to see how you like it before you cut.

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    ^^ Great idea thanks!

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    800mm bars

    800mm Nukeproof Warhead bars with a 40mm Raceface Atlas stem.

    I'm 5'10" 225 lbs.with wide shoulders. Feels perfect. This is my hand width when doing push-ups. Not too many trees here in So. Cal. I ride fast & tech. trails.
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    I'd like narrower but have been to lazy to cut mine down from stock...by at least 4 cm. I don't think 2cm would be significant or perceptible.

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    Old b52 azonic 710mm


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    Current - ODI Flight Control II 788mm x 25 with a 60mm Aka stem.

    Soon - Spank Spike 800mm (cut to 785mm) x 50mm with Spank Spike 50mm stem.

    I've tried bars ranging from 800mm to 710, settled on @785 being my sweet spot.
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    What handlebar width are you using?

    Just put on a RaceFace 785 mm 19mm rise SixC bar and ODI Vans grips. Both in red to coordinate with my Sriracha red Hightower. 50 mm black RaceFace stem
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    On my 29r HT, I use a Enve Sweep @ 720mm with a Syntace Flatforce stem @ 66mm. On my 27.5 FS, I use a Azonic Flow @ 750mm/25mm rise with a Raceface Atlas stem @ 50mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtJunky View Post
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    Personally, I try to match proper "bench press" form&feel to determine bar width - so your elbows aren't too far outside your power zone when taking on impacts.
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    I totally agree.

    I found my bar width (to be) doing regular push-ups though and found the sweetspot where I felt the strongest, and then meashured the length between outside of both hands. The number that came up was exactly 760mm.

    So I bought a Spank Spike 800 Vibrocore Team Edition (with a 50mm rise due to other reasons: more comfort in the cocpit going from a 680mm with a 38mm rise).

    Haven't cut it yet but I have a pair of lock on grips installed to simulate a 760mm bar width and it feels very natural.

    I will experiment further with the width before I cut, but I suspect that I will end up cutting the bar at exactly 760mm. Afterall.. I am as strong as I can be at that width, and to repeat myself.. it feels very natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_510 View Post
    Ordered a new Raceface Sixc to replace the 760mm alum bar that came on my Hightower. The Sixc is 800mm! Gonna try it out but will probably end up chopping it to 780. Just curious what everyone else is running.
    Iirc, 660mm on both my bikes. I'm 170cm. Partner is at 620mm, and she's about 154cm

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    I'm at 660mm currently on the 26er HT. I want new bars as the current ones are kinda heavy, so I'm thinking I'll try out the Raceface Next carbon bars. They're 725mm, so we'll see how I like them. I wouldn't be surprised if I cut them down to 700 (mostly to keep it a little easier to aim between the trees in the narrow spots).

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    After giving the longer bars a shot riding them for ~ 10 months, I cut mine down 2cm each end. Big improvement. The ends of the bars touched a few trees that otherwise would have crashed me, and the steering was easier and more nimble in tight stuff. At no point did my hands work their way to the ends of the bars or did I feel I'd benefit from "more leverage ". I'm eyeing cutting off another cm or two.
    Do the math.

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    760s with a 50mm stem on my FS bike before I sold it.

    720's with an 80mm stem on my SS. I started wider, but couldn't "mash" as well because I ran out of arms when really rocking the bike back and forth.

    I miss the extra leverage when it's really chunky, but 720/80 is a good 'all-around' set up.

    I might go a bit wider and shorter if I put a full geared drivetrain on it and didn't "mash"

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    740's with Ergon GA2 grips, had them on some 780 bars but it was too wide since they place your hand all the way out and then some since there are no lock on rings at the ends. I was surprised that when I held my 740 bars with the ergon's up to my 780's with ODI grips that had lock rings on the outside that my hand position was withing a few mm's between the two.

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    I'm trying out 720mm (28.3 inch) after riding for a few years with 620mm (24.4 inch) on a 29er XC hardtail.


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    780mm AM 650b, 775mm Trail 29er... I notice the 5mm diff. i.e. think I'll get another 780mm bar sometime in the future o_0

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    All you guys with 800 bars are living in the past. Rocking 520 bars 140mm stem.

    Or is the future 880 bars with a 10mm stem?

    In all honesty, still on a 720 bar and 80mm stem and I don't understand why people keep going shorter and wider. I have ridden many bikes with 800+ and 40mm stems and find I don't need or want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    All you guys with 800 bars are living in the past. Rocking 520 bars 140mm stem.

    Or is the future 880 bars with a 10mm stem?

    In all honesty, still on a 720 bar and 80mm stem and I don't understand why people keep going shorter and wider. I have ridden many bikes with 800+ and 40mm stems and find I don't need or want it.
    I would guess that if you where to do some push-up's in a comfortable position (where you feel the strongest) you would end up measuring from the outside of your hands a length pretty close to 720mm. If not you should try the width you measure as it is the width where you are the strongest.

    A comfortable bar width is related to your shoulder width and 800mm is definetly not for everyone. I'm using a 760mm bar and it works for me. 800mm was not comfortable for me at all.

    Frame size, seat position, stem length, stem rise, bar width, bar rise and bar sweep.. they all play a role creating your cockpit. And a stem can be too short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by targnik View Post
    780mm AM 650b, 775mm Trail 29er... I notice the 5mm diff. i.e. think I'll get another 780mm bar sometime in the future o_0

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    Can you really notice 2.5mm under your hand especially when actually riding?

    I'm intrigued by this thread and wonder if you would really notice anything under 20mm difference on each side if you didn't know the bars had changed?

    I find I move my hands around on the grips during a ride and don't keep them at the outer edges all the time.

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    My fatbar came at 780mm and it feels right so I feel no need to change it. I am not a big guy but have quite wide shoulders.
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    Shoulder width @ 28". Just ride what is comfortable for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n0tEcH View Post
    I would guess that if you where to do some push-up's in a comfortable position
    What kind of pseudoscience is this? I'm 6'4" with long limbs, 215lbs and I like bikes with a 25-25.5in top tube and still prefer a longer than 60mm stem. I have tried it all and and while I do like bars in a variety of widths, the 800 bar with a 40mm stems are internet hyped fads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    What kind of pseudoscience is this? I'm 6'4" with long limbs, 215lbs and I like bikes with a 25-25.5in top tube and still prefer a longer than 60mm stem. I have tried it all and and while I do like bars in a variety of widths, the 800 bar with a 40mm stems are internet hyped fads.
    It's actually an example of empirical science. Not a fad according to those that prefer wider bars and several experts that review bikes.

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    I traded for an old Kona Blast, (circa 2000). The stock setup on it is a 125mm stem and a 660mm bar. I ordered a 40mm Hussefelt stem and Race Face Ride Riser 710mm bar. I'll be swapping them out as soon as the bar comes in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    What kind of pseudoscience is this? I'm 6'4" with long limbs, 215lbs and I like bikes with a 25-25.5in top tube and still prefer a longer than 60mm stem. I have tried it all and and while I do like bars in a variety of widths, the 800 bar with a 40mm stems are internet hyped fads.
    As noose is pointing out.. it is actually an example of empirical science.
    But the picture is a bit bigger and a bit more complex..

    I can also feel comfortable in a variety of bar widths, but I can also feel what is too wide or too narrow for me in any given setup, and the comfortable width might differ from setup to setup.

    Reach as you mention is also a very important aspect, and bar width will influence reach. A new wider bar in a "allready perfect reach setup" will shorten your reach, so bar width and stem length should be considered together (as well as rise and sweep) to get you dialed in "perfectly" with the wider bar.


    It is all about the riders preferences, and I guess everybody tries to optimize their cockpit to find the sweetspot that suits the riders needs, for both comfort and riding style.


    I need more of an upright sitting position to be comfortable on a bike because of my back and neck, and I prefer quick steering, leverage to "counter attack" a slipping front wheel, and the ability to do wheelies and manuals without sacrificing too much of climbing abilities. And all this while my arms are sligthly bent, to be able to manouver the bike to the best of my abilities.

    I'm 6' even and I would guess that a lot more is different between the two of us as well.


    I would guess that those guys going for 800mm bars and 40mm stems are guys with broader shoulders than us. I would also guess that some where also coming from a more aggressive sitting position than they where comfortable with? In both cases a shorter (and even shorter if you want to be more upright too) stem will dial them in to a better position.

    And by doing so they experienced the benefits of better comfort, control, and quicker steering? And maybe some of them found out that a even shorter stem also made it easier on the back and neck with the more upright sitting position and also easier to do wheelies and manuals but a also bit harder to climb too?

    I don't believe it is more complicated than that.

    I would also guess that some riders have wider bars and shorter stems than they should because they have heard that it is better to go wider and shorter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n0tEcH View Post
    I would guess that those guys going for 800mm bars and 40mm stems are guys with broader shoulders than us. I would also guess that some where also coming from a more aggressive sitting position than they where comfortable with? In both cases a shorter (and even shorter if you want to be more upright too) stem will dial them in to a better position.

    And by doing so they experienced the benefits of better comfort, control, and quicker steering? And maybe some of them found out that a even shorter stem also made it easier on the back and neck with the more upright sitting position and also easier to do wheelies and manuals but a also bit harder to climb too?
    Shorter stems reduce the lever arm that rotates the bike forward. It moves placement of rider force back a bit versus the front wheel axis, especially helping those with more upper body mass. On steeps it's very noticeable, particularly when going slow. When the brakes are open, their benefit is less dramatic. You're correct about the bike getting more nose-happy during climbing too - everything is a compromise.

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    got to look at the whole picture. Can't just throw a short stem on a bike (with same bars) that has the correct reach for you. The bars should stay in about the same place wrt the BB but the front wheel should move forwards, the effect is a short stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtJunky View Post
    Shorter stems reduce the lever arm that rotates the bike forward. It moves placement of rider force back a bit versus the front wheel axis, especially helping those with more upper body mass. On steeps it's very noticeable, particularly when going slow. When the brakes are open, their benefit is less dramatic. You're correct about the bike getting more nose-happy during climbing too - everything is a compromise.
    Thanks for the complimentary information.
    I have also experienced that (after much trial and error).. everything is a compromise, you just need to find what works best for you. That special sweetspot.


    Quote Originally Posted by Spindelatron View Post
    got to look at the whole picture. Can't just throw a short stem on a bike (with same bars) that has the correct reach for you. The bars should stay in about the same place wrt the BB but the front wheel should move forwards, the effect is a short stem.
    Agree! You definetly need to look at the whole picture.
    As a part of my trial and error approach I've tried to just put on a shorter stem (too short) only to end up with my seat too much backwards to compensate, and that lead to problems with my hamstrings. I wouldn't reccommend anyone doing that.

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    I use the 800mm 35 rise sixc bars with a 35mm stem on my yeti 5.5c and love the combo.

    I am 6ft tall 32 inseam and ride a Large Yeti 5.5c.

    I stepped up from a 787 20mm rise bar and love the new combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n0tEcH View Post
    As noose is pointing out.. it is actually an example of empirical science.
    Not really... What empirical evidence have you offered to prove your claims? I have very wide shoulders and a bunch of "pro reviewers" are just dudes riding free bikes. Those guys saying "game changer!" is not really empirical evidence. Those same dudes said that 720 bars were too wide and heavy and told people to get into carbon 580 bars and 110 stems... These guys also say you need tapered steer tubes, 30mm spindles, thru axles etc.

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