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    Why friction is still Boss!!!






    This is one week ago just as I got home. Snow packed my fenders and the tires slowly carved them out. I could barely see. This is my drivetrain, 1x7, still shifting smooth in Colorado winter.

    Friction is Boss! why would you commute with any other shifter??
    no chain no gain.

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    Agree. I'm running a friction shifter on my Trek Y3 1x7 with the same Deore derailleur as you have in your photos. I couldn't ask for a more trouble free and smooth shifting set up
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    Glad your friction shifting is working for you.

    My X.9 is working for me, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpedaler
    Glad your friction shifting is working for you.

    My X.9 is working for me, too.
    Mine too..........on my trail bike........

    Anyway! Back to the TOPIC@ hand...... I want/need a friction shifter for my commuter (for my front) 2x1 set up. Anyone have an extra?
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    From the pics i thought this was gonna be about rohloff or alfine.A while back I was scrounging through my shelves of old parts and i found my old suntour friction shifters that i even took the clicking mode out of and gram weenied them with an alloy spindle, i stuck with them all the way into 9 speed shimano days, they just barely pull out enough cable,but not for sram 1:1. Hey! i could go back now that i'm liking the rock clearence of shimano shadow.

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    fo sho....

    i've got that same derailleur too, hardly used, waiting for a project. all my bikes are running friction, 2 road w/downtube shifters, 1 29er w/barcons. i probably have a few hundred dollars of sram junk laying around, oh well live and learn. i harvested some old suntour thumbshifters off an old 80's raleigh......guess what, they can even shift shimano 9 speed, definitely future project material. never trying to win a race, just like to ride, cheers.

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    Smile you are my friend.

    Quote Originally Posted by nativeson
    i've got that same derailleur too, hardly used, waiting for a project. all my bikes are running friction, 2 road w/downtube shifters, 1 29er w/barcons. i probably have a few hundred dollars of sram junk laying around, oh well live and learn. i harvested some old suntour thumbshifters off an old 80's raleigh......guess what, they can even shift shimano 9 speed, definitely future project material. never trying to win a race, just like to ride, cheers.
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    no chain no gain.

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    Cant go wrong with the Sun Race

    Quote Originally Posted by ae111black
    Mine too..........on my trail bike........

    Anyway! Back to the TOPIC@ hand...... I want/need a friction shifter for my commuter (for my front) 2x1 set up. Anyone have an extra?
    <img src=https://theeverydaycyclist.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/21ewma8m60l-_sl500_aa280_.jpg>

    friction shifters. $13 bucks Here;
    https://www.rivbike.com/products/sho...hifters/17-097

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    Or any LBS parts bin.
    no chain no gain.

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    my xtr's shifted fine through the mud n snow.
    chain looks like it's been given an acid bath but the SHIFTERS work fine!
    If steel is real then aluminium is supercallafragiliniun!

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    my old huret down tube friction shifters have been frozen up most the winter. glad yours are still working, this iowa winter has been too long and snowy for my taste. anyone in colorado/oregon/norcal need an experienced bike shop guy? i can do it all.
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    you get what you pay for w/the sun race

    Quote Originally Posted by jrm
    <img src=https://theeverydaycyclist.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/21ewma8m60l-_sl500_aa280_.jpg>

    friction shifters. $13 bucks Here;
    https://www.rivbike.com/products/sho...hifters/17-097
    i bought a set cause of the price. they shift flawlessly but are made of cheap plastic so you can't be real rough w/'em. right now theyr'e on my circa 1993 rock lobster mtb (forgot to add that to my list of friction shifting bikes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10speedbiopacefreewheel
    Or any LBS parts bin.
    LOL Gone down that road no one in my town has any kicking around........ those sun race units look pretty.......ok!
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    Ive read about people braking um

    Quote Originally Posted by nativeson
    i bought a set cause of the price. they shift flawlessly but are made of cheap plastic so you can't be real rough w/'em. right now theyr'e on my circa 1993 rock lobster mtb (forgot to add that to my list of friction shifting bikes).
    in crashes. I have mine set up where theyre somewhat protected. They shift 8 spd stuff well. I have some 8 spd ultegra bar end shifters i picked up that id like to set up for 9 spd. The guys @ the LBS always give me **** for running um cuz theyre so cheap and FUGLY as all heck.

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    I think I'd be more inclined to be running an SS set-up in those conditions, but maybe you have a lot of hills to climb?
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    When my setup gets snowy/iced up I tend to leave it in the middle of the cassette and just shift the front if i need to gear down...

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    Friction might be Boss but....
    Singlespeed is King

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    I`m kind of ashamed that I have no friction only rear shifters and the multi mode ones I have are all set to index. Maybe I need to get another bike just so I can set it up with friction only Suntour Cyclone (the prettiest components I know of) DTs

    Bar end shifters are fugly? Not IMO, unless they`re impersonating thumb shifters on those Pauls thingies. Of course, friction DTs or real thumbies are still prettier than barcons mounted where they`re supposed to be.
    Recalculating....

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    Here I thought I was a reactionary or counter-bike-culturist to still have DT friction shifters. Drivers don't know what I am doing when I shift. Technically they are illegal in Indiana which permits removal of hands from the bars only to signal intent to turn or stop. The local group riders look at me like a complete nutcase (but I'm only a partial one, according to my wife). No 9 or 10 speed cluster, no indexing, no brifters. Cables out the tops of my levers. Upgraded to seven speed freewheel in back and a triple in front with 10 speed triple derailers controlled by the Suntour Cyclone DT levers of old. Looks like the Cane Creek gum hood brake levers (non shifting) for me when I replace this bar. Brifters? I don't got no brifters! I don't need no stinkin' brifters! (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Normbilt
    Friction might be Boss but....
    Singlespeed is King

    On the trail I agree 100% but on the boring road, I like some gears. I dare you to commute with me on your SS(unless it fixed). In stop-n-go traffic, gears are key. I have considered fixed-gear commuting but don't want the stigma of it (I live in a college town). That is the only SS that is ok off the line, and still has top end speed.

    just my 2 cents
    no chain no gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianMc
    Here I thought I was a reactionary or counter-bike-culturist to still have DT friction shifters. Drivers don't know what I am doing when I shift. Technically they are illegal in Indiana which permits removal of hands from the bars only to signal intent to turn or stop. The local group riders look at me like a complete nutcase (but I'm only a partial one, according to my wife). No 9 or 10 speed cluster, no indexing, no brifters. Cables out the tops of my levers. Upgraded to seven speed freewheel in back and a triple in front with 10 speed triple derailers controlled by the Suntour Cyclone DT levers of old. Looks like the Cane Creek gum hood brake levers (non shifting) for me when I replace this bar. Brifters? I don't got no brifters! I don't need no stinkin' brifters! (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

    Also much respect to this guy. I bet he's twice my age though
    Wait til my touring bike is done DT Friction/Friction, everyone hate's it, but no one breaks it.
    no chain no gain.

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    you do realize

    that a fixed 39/17 and a freewheeling 39/17 have exactly the same topend and accelleration,same goes for any gearing.One gear,and it's almost always the wrong gear,but that is part of the fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10speedbiopacefreewheel
    Also much respect to this guy. I bet he's twice my age though
    Wait til my touring bike is done DT Friction/Friction, everyone hate's it, but no one breaks it.
    Watch it whippersnapper! This old geezer's not ready to hang his bike on the wall just yet.

    And yes, I did buy the Suntour Cyclone deraileurs and shifter when they were the hot thing because they worked better than Campy at the time, were a lot less expensive, and their black anodized finish matched the 144 BCD drilled Black anodized Sugino crankset's very nicely. 1981, I think. Before you were born? Still have the front deraileur but the rear succumbed to a irreparable spring failure. I would have gone through 5-6 of the cheap old Simplexes in that time so, I was happy. Keep the levers oiled, and they work great.

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    FWIW I was born in 1984. Your shifters predate me.

    Quote Originally Posted by herbn
    that a fixed 39/17 and a freewheeling 39/17 have exactly the same topend and accelleration,same goes for any gearing.One gear,and it's almost always the wrong gear,but that is part of the fun.

    Maybe on paper, but a fixed-gear bike allows the momentum of the already moving wheel to push your cranks through dead spots. The bike pedals you! Any force you apply to the cranks accelerates the cadence and therefore speed. If you do nothing, the weight of your legs slows the cadence/speed. This is the motivation to keep pedaling and applying force.

    Down a hill, fixed loses, but on flat ground, or near flat ground, fixed-gear has higher top acceleration levels. Not top speed, because that is limited by rider cadence.

    But, In the end, I think real world testing will show that two runs on the same bike, one with freewheel and with with fixed cog, will always result in the fixed bike feeling faster and actually being faster. Put your gear calculator away for now (nerd!).
    no chain no gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10speedbiopacefreewheel
    Maybe on paper, but a fixed-gear bike allows the momentum of the already moving wheel to push your cranks through dead spots. The bike pedals you! Any force you apply to the cranks accelerates the cadence and therefore speed. If you do nothing, the weight of your legs slows the cadence/speed. This is the motivation to keep pedaling and applying force.

    Down a hill, fixed loses, but on flat ground, or near flat ground, fixed-gear has higher top acceleration levels. Not top speed, because that is limited by rider cadence.

    But, In the end, I think real world testing will show that two runs on the same bike, one with freewheel and with with fixed cog, will always result in the fixed bike feeling faster and actually being faster. Put your gear calculator away for now (nerd!).
    this is only true until you take into account the wind resistance generated by the messenger bag and novelty facial hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg
    this is only true until you take into account the wind resistance generated by the messenger bag and novelty facial hair.

    WIN

    my point exactly. I can't be seen on one.
    no chain no gain.

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    Can`t be seen on one? I can understand your not wanting to be lumped in with the almost bearded wannabe messenger crowd, but you`re already riding around on a SS. A casual observer isn`t going to notice the difference 90+% of the time, and if he did notice, he should also be observant enough to notice that you aren`t "one of those".

    So it seems to me, anyway. But I`m not even considering giving up my derailler, let alone my pawls.
    Recalculating....

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    10speedbiopacefreewheel can correct me, but I didn't get the impression there was any crowing about friction being the best solution for everyone. Just that rumours of its death at the hands of index shifting and the need to go single speed for winter have been exaggerated. It can take some rough winter weather in stride.

    Although I am not giving up gears for regular use. I have seen the advantages in SS or fixie. Eventually my current 1 x 9 errand/commute bike will end up a SS or fixie for short, fun fast (well fast for me) rides in great weather with skinny tires. Couldn't take the hammering long, but it'll be a blast until I'm too sore!

    Whatever tears you ticket, and I'd guess most of you'd agree that most bikes make us want to ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottzg
    this is only true until you take into account the wind resistance generated by the messenger bag and novelty facial hair.
    You jest but all hipster doofus jokes aside, a fixed with the same gear ratio as a freewheel will be faster, and one only need try to see that power is applied 100% of the time with a fixed gear drivetrain. By the way, the XT friction thumby is shifter dictator for life.

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    On the road I preference gears. Although fixed is intriguing, it is way to stigmatized.

    Off road, I only ride fixed, or SS freewheel, no shifting on the trail for me.

    What else can I say? That is me. You can ride whatever.
    no chain no gain.

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    how do you figure that ?

    you can pull up on the pedals of a freewheeling bike. If you can spin a certain gear up to 100rpm you will go the same speed whether the drivetrain is fixed or freewheeling. A fixed gear will sometimes make you spin faster than you thought you could,so it just makes you realize your potential, it doesn'rt add anything though. Powercranks(independantly freewheeling cranks) on the other hand develope you potential for 360 degree power output by forcing you to pull up on each pedal stroke ,fixed gear pushes your foot up for you.

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