Fenders?

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  • 03-08-2010
    dsimp1712
    Fenders?
    Posted this in begginer's corner but was told I might get some good answers here :thumbsup:

    I'm looking into getting fenders for my bike. 90s rigid frame Rockhopper. I want them because this bike will be used a lot for a commuter and as an intro to trails for me. i'm just looking for enough fender to keep me clean when I commute, they don't have to block everything on the trail.

    So my question is for just keeping road moisture away is it necessary to have a front fender too? I mostly just end up with a back stripe of mud.

    Also, metal or plastic fenders? Why do people choose one over the other? plastic for trails, metal for road?

    Finally, recommendations on which fender to buy, any you've had good luck with and look good?

    Thanks,
    Dave
  • 03-08-2010
    Normbilt
    Do you have a Suspension fork on the RH?
    I've use Plastic Clip ons for awhile and they work pretty well.
    Full fenders are better but might not give you enough mud clearance for trail riding.
    Plastic work might be best for you use. Metal fenders might not work also for your use.

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  • 03-08-2010
    dsimp1712
    No suspension, old rigid fork.

    I kind of like the idea of clip on fenders, and the way those look on your frame, not too bulky. Are they stable though? Ever popped off?

    Where exactly are they attached? Looks like under the saddle frame piece for the rear, but I can't make out where the front is connected...also what brand so I can look them up?

    Thanks for responding!
  • 03-08-2010
    jrabikerepair
    Fenders? Absolutely. No commuter bike is complete without them. The front is especially important, because it keeps the water and mud from getting into your eyes.
    I ride a rigid bike with planet bike fenders, simply because they look great (not bulky) and have a mudflap that reduces splash from large puddles.
  • 03-09-2010
    dsimp1712
    That's the second planet bike suggestion I've gotten, and they look like they're pretty nice.

    I'm leaning to the plastic, seems that'd be the right way to go.

    Which do you use? I see they have a clip ons and a few other styles.
  • 03-09-2010
    ranier
    Nuther PB recommendation from me. I use the SpeedEZ ATB version on my commuter and it keeps the road spray virtually non-existant on wet days. I don't shy away from puddles of water and the mud flaps on the front fender keeps my feet dry. Full coverage fenders with mudflaps rule! Rain from above is another matter...

    They should bolt on no problem onto the front fork and frame of your Rockhopper.
  • 03-09-2010
    CommuterBoy
    I have the planet bike 'freddy fenders' on my cyclocross... they are a "full coverage" fender also, which means they extend down in front of the rear tire (between the tire and the seat tube) and way down behind the front tire also. For commuting, full fenders are really nice to have. MIne would never survive on the trails though, so you have to find a compromise that gets you as much coverage as you like to have on the commute, but won't self-destruct on the trails. I have had the SKS Beaver Tails (got them at REI) on a mountain bike before, and they worked really well on the trail.

    As far as the front fender is concerned, If I had to pick just one fender, I'd keep the front and get rid of the rear. Yes, the rear is critical, and you get a skunk stripe and a wet backpack if you don't have it, but the front becomes critical at faster speeds on the road...without it your front tire throws up a fan of road grime that hangs in the air just long enough for you to ride through it at any decent commuting pace. To avoid it, you have to slow down to rediculously low speeds. You absolutely want/need a front fender.
  • 03-09-2010
    jeffscott
    I rode for 2 years with fenders then took them of waste of time if you change at work.
  • 03-09-2010
    CommuterBoy
    ^^ jeffscott, you've already established the fact that I'm a retarded pansy boy, but I'm still sure I could install a set of fenders way faster than I could clean 6 miles of road grime out of my face, hair, clothes, etc. I do change at work, but I have this thing about muddy gutter-specks in my mouth when I'm enjoying my coffee at my desk after the ride...it's just not my scene.

    They're not stylish, but my fenders go on the commuter in about October and don't come off until at least late April.
  • 03-09-2010
    jeffscott
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CommuterBoy
    ^^ jeffscott, you've already established the fact that I'm a retarded pansy boy, but I'm still sure I could install a set of fenders way faster than I could clean 6 miles of road grime out of my face, hair, clothes, etc. I do change at work, but I have this thing about muddy gutter-specks in my mouth when I'm enjoying my coffee at my desk after the ride...it's just not my scene. Just need to go faster oh and you don't blow your nose and wipe your face when you get there ewwww

    They're not stylish, but my fenders go on the commuter in about October and don't come off until at least late April.


    Who cares about style, like I said just ride faster, works for me...I tried the fenders didn't really change things much...

    You need to open your mind...

    Lets see need to keep things simple, so they don't break must go 1 x 8, but oh geez need fenders....

    So I ride 3 x 9 without maintance problems and no fenders....so open up...try something that doesn't fit with your overly ridgid ethos.
  • 03-09-2010
    CommuterBoy
    (Just so you know dsimp, we're not all like this. I just engage jeffscott for entertainment purposes)


    Jeffscott, let me explain 'simple' to you... You stand there and let me throw mud at your face for a while. Then when I hand you a plastic shield, hold it in front of your face and see if the experience changes. Not holding the shield in front of your face isn't "open minded." I think there's another word for it...

    I rode my full suspension 3x9 mountain bike (with no fenders) to work today by the way. It was a clear day. Tomorrow if it's sloppy, maybe I'll try opening my mind and riding without fenders, swerving into traffic to be seen :lol:

    overly rigid ethos :lol: That's beautiful man. Thanks. I'm overly rigid in my spelling also, apparently. I'll try to open up.
  • 03-09-2010
    88 rex
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffscott
    Who cares about style, like I said just ride faster, works for me...I tried the fenders didn't really change things much...

    You need to open your mind...

    Lets see need to keep things simple, so they don't break must go 1 x 8, but oh geez need fenders....

    So I ride 3 x 9 without maintance problems and no fenders....so open up...try something that doesn't fit with your overly ridgid ethos.



    Ummm......Fenders are essential to a commuter. Anyone who regularly commutes knows this, unless you live in a desert.......or don't commute year round. I keep fenders on my CX bike all year EXCEPT to race CX. Other than that, there is never a time when my CX bike doesn't have fenders on. I do group rides with fenders, snow rides with fenders, rainy rides.......with fenders. When in a paceline, the person behind me has the best seat in the house while I'm stuck catching the rooster tail off the guy i front of me.

    I also change at work, but I prefer not walking into work ( a hospital) looking sloppy. I also like to go to the store, and again, I don't want to look all sloppy or be stuck walking around with a skunk stripe down my back. Also, post rainstorm rides in the summer are HOT and HUMID and if you want to casually ride somewhere without being sweaty and stay dry, you can thank your fenders.

    Any responsible commuter has fenders. If you don't have fenders..........well you'll eventually see the light and get fenders.

    And to the OP I use Planet Bike hardcore fenders.:thumbsup:
  • 03-09-2010
    jeffscott
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CommuterBoy
    (Just so you know dsimp, we're not all like this. I just engage jeffscott for entertainment purposes)


    Jeffscott, let me explain 'simple' to you... You stand there and let me throw mud at your face for a while. Then when I hand you a plastic shield, hold it in front of your face and see if the experience changes. Not holding the shield in front of your face isn't "open minded." I think there's another word for it...

    I rode my full suspension 3x9 mountain bike (with no fenders) to work today by the way. It was a clear day. Tomorrow if it's sloppy, maybe I'll try opening my mind and riding without fenders, swerving into traffic to be seen :lol:

    overly rigid ethos :lol: That's beautiful man. Thanks. I'm overly rigid in my spelling also, apparently. I'll try to open up.

    As long as you eventually open your mind you will begin to learn...
  • 03-09-2010
    jeffscott
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 88 rex
    Ummm......Fenders are essential to a commuter. Anyone who regularly commutes knows this, unless you live in a desert.......or don't commute year round. I keep fenders on my CX bike all year EXCEPT to race CX. Other than that, there is never a time when my CX bike doesn't have fenders on. I do group rides with fenders, snow rides with fenders, rainy rides.......with fenders. When in a paceline, the person behind me has the best seat in the house while I'm stuck catching the rooster tail off the guy i front of me.

    I also change at work, but I prefer not walking into work ( a hospital) looking sloppy. I also like to go to the store, and again, I don't want to look all sloppy or be stuck walking around with a skunk stripe down my back. Also, post rainstorm rides in the summer are HOT and HUMID and if you want to casually ride somewhere without being sweaty and stay dry, you can thank your fenders.

    Any responsible commuter has fenders. If you don't have fenders..........well you'll eventually see the light and get fenders.

    And to the OP I use Planet Bike hardcore fenders.:thumbsup:


    Hey I rode with fenders they were a pain for me so I dropped them Iride all year road every year and damn near every day...

    Since you can't understand you must have different conditions or havn't really riden all that much...

    Around here maybe half the commuters run fenders....

    So I guess that makes it a must have...
  • 03-09-2010
    88 rex
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffscott
    Hey I rode with fenders they were a pain for me so I dropped them Iride all year road every year and damn near every day...

    Since you can't understand you must have different conditions or havn't really riden all that much...

    Around here maybe half the commuters run fenders....

    So I guess that makes it a must have...

    Pain? They're fenders, not some finicky derailleur. You put them on and ride. They don't move. There's nothing to be a pain.

    Does it rain where you are? Snow? How about some nice salty/slushy roads? When it's nice out, I see more commuters. When it's not so nice out.........that's when you see COMMUTERS. They have fenders, or will eventually.

    I don't know why how much I've ridden has anything to do with this, but I've apparently ridden enough crappy miles to know that resistance to a good set of fenders is futile.
  • 03-09-2010
    jeffscott
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 88 rex
    Pain? They're fenders, not some finicky derailleur. You put them on and ride. They don't move. There's nothing to be a pain.

    Does it rain where you are? Snow? How about some nice salty/slushy roads? When it's nice out, I see more commuters. When it's not so nice out.........that's when you see COMMUTERS. They have fenders, or will eventually.

    I don't know why how much I've ridden has anything to do with this, but I've apparently ridden enough crappy miles to know that resistance to a good set of fenders is futile.



    Yes pain....Buddies had he took em off, cause he had a noise in his frame took a couple of hours but it was the fender....

    Rain...Lots of snow and salt, yup snow snot till I can;t stand it, 6 inches of ice on the roads is still melting...no I am a commuter and took mine off...

    Again about only half of the commuter bikes have fenders...

    Yeah I am resisting, yeah go with that that works for you....

    Fenders keep busting of in the cold, maked up the paint, got in the way, didn't protect much for me....

    If it works for you fine, but they sure don't work for everyone...
  • 03-09-2010
    CommuterBoy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffscott
    You need to open your mind...
    ....so open up...try something that doesn't fit with your overly ridgid ethos.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffscott
    Yeah I am resisting


    :lol:
  • 03-09-2010
    dsimp1712
    Well I don't want to get into this battle...but I do know I need fenders because it rains and snows a lot and I can't change before class. (not saying your wrong jeffscott I just know I want them as riding without them doesn't work for me at this time)

    Anyway I think Im going to go with planet bike fenders but now I'm getting suggestions for plastic and metal full fenders. So now I'm wondering what will be best for my commute. It sounds like metal fenders will stop more but aren't trail worthy? Is that right? So if I do go with plastic will I be covered or does a decent amount of moisture and mud get through?

    My hope is to find a set of fenders that will keep my dry commuting, but allow me to do a little trail riding with the same bike.
  • 03-09-2010
    CommuterBoy
    Definitely go with plastic. I can't think of an advantage that metal has over plastic, especially if you're going to be hitting any trails. Same amount of coverage, plastic is lighter, more durable, won't dent/ding, won't wear a tire as bad if you get a little rub here and there, etc, etc...plastic is where it's at.

    and it's OK to call jeffscott wrong. It's more fun when he's a little bit right, because he totally freaks out...but in this case he's just completely wrong. Still entertaining, but more than OK to point out. :lol:
  • 03-09-2010
    dsimp1712
    Sweet, well thanks for the input guys. I think I'll order me a set of the plastic clip ons from planet bike. Gotta talk to the father about ordering though, kind of picking out my birthday present haha. So there is te left and if you have any reason I should stay away from those fenders let me know, otherwise it looks like I will be getting those.

    I do appreciate that you all are ready to give such quick input, this forum is already more help than I thought I'd be able to get with setting up my first real mountain bike.
  • 03-09-2010
    BrianMc
    I once resisted fenders. But I opened my mind to the possibilities! They drive livestock trailers on these roads and streets and there are horse rides in the summer, so it isn't just the grit in the teeth! :eek:

    Motorists may wish I'd eat S**T and DIE!, but I am not going to oblige. :nono:

    Just when you thought it was safe to take them off....:bluefrown:

    SKS's for my classic road bike because that's what my mail order source had that fit and were plastic over aluminum. Apparently the PB's are VERY similar. The only pain with fenders is if I transport the bike lying down in the car or truck bed a readjustment is needed after. They are 700C (622 mm) on a 27" (630 mm) so they are close to the tire. No trail for me on that bike.
  • 03-09-2010
    hydrogeek
    I wish the guy on the 29er in front of me had full fenders this morning. I hate the taste of road grime so I had to pass him and get a little extra cardio in this morning. Full fenders are the only way to go on a commuter bike. If you want something trail worthy though look at the plastic SKS line of fenders. I have been using mine on my FS and SS for a couple of years with little issue.
  • 03-09-2010
    mtbxplorer
    I rode for years with round wheels waste of time a pain then took them off put on some square ones. Since you can't understand you must have different conditions or havn't really riden all that much...
    :D .
  • 03-09-2010
    88 rex
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtbxplorer
    I rode for years with round wheels waste of time a pain then took them off put on some square ones. Since you can't understand you must have different conditions or havn't really riden all that much...
    :D .



    ....you weren't riding fast enough.....:p