Had a good press release on a few sites, but crickets since. This thing looks like a big mountain bruiser! Can't wait till some reviews and ride reports start dropping. Loving Commencal's direct to consumer value!
I'm pumped! I was trying to figure out how to make a DH 4.2 work for trail use and then this popped up. Now we just need some good metric shock options. Not much to fit the frame at this point.
Pricewise it's banging at $3700 for a complete bike. Nice spec too. Most bikes are pushing carbon and double the price. Nothing wrong with a well built alloy frame.
I'm pumped! I was trying to figure out how to make a DH 4.2 work for trail use and then this popped up. Now we just need some good metric shock options. Not much to fit the frame at this point.
Pricewise it's banging at $3700 for a complete bike. Nice spec too. Most bikes are pushing carbon and double the price. Nothing wrong with a well built alloy frame.
Yep, agreed on all counts. Cane Creek metrics are due in a few months, Fox can't be too far behind. And the 34lb built weight doesn't seem too off the mark for a stock bike like this.
Commencal are under a lot of people's radar, which is a shame as they build good bikes.
They used to sell in shops but weren't happy with the way that worked out. The big brands got the best representation on the shop floor and Commencal typically found themselves in smaller, backwater shops. It kinda gave the impression that Commencal bikes were not as good as the big brands.
So they switched to selling direct, passing the saving onto the customer. The down-side is that now they have no presence in the shops at all. A lot of people find it hard to buy a bike they haven't seen in the flesh although I think that's changing.
Basically, I think the brands who sell bikes conventionally and play the established game get the best publicity. Commencal feel like outsiders in some ways but to be honest I quite like that. I like not having a Giant, or a Specialized or a Trek. Going to a trail centre and having the only bike like mine in the car park. Who wants to be a sheep?
I am riding the new Supreme DH V4.2 and I love the high pivot design, best chain growth eliminator and braking force eraser I've ever used. I'm glad to see this trickle down to the enduro/ free ride/ am world. The SX is a great idea, love to get one.
If I were going to buy a new bike tomorrow, this would be it. I was stoked about the new Nomad too, but not so much on the price. Being able to hit a DH park and trails on a trip without bringing 2 bikes would be so nice.
The complete bike is solid; the spec is great -they actually have mtb priorities straight (suspension and brakes are 1000x more important than drivetrain or... a fancy handlebar or whatever).
Brands like Giant are notorious for getting this so wrong their complete bikes end up being a waste of money because you either have to get the most expensive model or replace half the parts.
The complete bike is solid; the spec is great -they actually have mtb priorities straight (suspension and brakes are 1000x more important than drivetrain or... a fancy handlebar or whatever).
Brands like Giant are notorious for getting this so wrong their complete bikes end up being a waste of money because you either have to get the most expensive model or replace half the parts.
Completely agreed. I'm guessing it's because the drivetrain names are easy to spot or something and that's always been such a focus for consumers. Drivetrain is a maintenance item anyways, will be replaced within the year or two on most bikes.
I am considering this bike for next year. Will be this or a full DH bike. The 65 HTA has me a bit concerned for bike park use, but otherwise I love it.
Completely agreed. I'm guessing it's because the drivetrain names are easy to spot or something and that's always been such a focus for consumers. Drivetrain is a maintenance item anyways, will be replaced within the year or two on most bikes.
I am considering this bike for next year. Will be this or a full DH bike. The 65 HTA has me a bit concerned for bike park use, but otherwise I love it.
My theory is, with companies like Giant or Trek, it's coming from a road bike mindset, where no one component is much more important than the next, so you want everything more or less at the same level.
On a mtb, a top of the line fork with a deore or whatever low-end drivetrain makes a lot more sense than having both middle of the road. I suspect there's some push-back from Sram on specing bikes this way.
I wonder if there's enough room on the shock to run offset bushings.
I agree about the head angle. On my 'nice to have' list is some sort of geometry adjustment; 65 would be great for trail riding, but a little steep for parks. I'm also not thrilled about the headset; I didn't even realize anyone was still doing IS41 headsets anymore and I can't think of anything positive about that standard compared to others. It does completely rule out anglesets, (I think) which isn't great.
I asked Commencal about using an "Angleset" as well as Fox fittement. This is what I heard back...
"Hello Jay,
Thank you for reaching out to us and sorry for the delayed reply.
Your e-mail slipped through. I apologize for this.
Yes the Supreme SX can accept an angleset however we don’t have those available here.
The Fox shocks are not available in this stroke, but they should be in a couple of months.
The metric shocks are however a great improvement over last year’s models.
Rock shocks really stepped up their game with this new shock.
I remain at your disposal for any other questions you might have.
I read team Commencal comments on the supreme setup for Val Do Sole and they said they increased the idler pulley size by one tooth to reduce pedal kickback. This tuneability is just one more thing increasing my interest in this bike. Also just watched Amaury Pierron take the hot seat with 3 seconds to spare...
..just have to figure out how to mount a bottle to it.
Not going to happen. I had to switch to a hydrapack after getting my V3, no place to put a bottle on those either. To be fair, if you're riding that bike like it deserves to be ridden the bottle would fall out anyway ;0)
Would love to see more ride reports/reviews. I'm trying to decide between a Nomad V4 and one of these, which is certainly way more in my budget range.
I don't plan on keeping a DH rig, so I'm leaning towards the Commencal Supreme SX. I have a Hightower for my trail bike, so I think between those two rigs I should be more than covered! Just wondering if the Comemncal would be too horrible to pedal on roadtrips where I only want to bring 1 bike...
Super stoked on it. Pedals way better than I expected, descends amazingly. Did the first shuttle ride on it last night in some suuuuper steep terrain. I feel like the shock/rear end outperforms the Lyrik right now, still trying to dial in the feel with volume spacers and the right air pressure!
I understand this could be a dumb question but why remove the dropper when at the park?
Two reasons:
1) Fewer parts to break if /when I crash, or miss the pedals on a landing!
2) I can slam the seat a bit lower without a dropper post, which feels nicer in bike park situations.
Two reasons:
1) Fewer parts to break if /when I crash, or miss the pedals on a landing!
2) I can slam the seat a bit lower without a dropper post, which feels nicer in bike park situations.
I am pretty sure I can get one in the bottom/lower side of the shock, but potentially not one up top due to the design of the metric shock. Check the photo below:
@daway, did you manage to put an angleset?
I am on the fence of buying an SX, but the description on the website and the press releases are quite confusing. The head tube should have enough room to accommodate almost everything (https://www.pinkbike.com/news/commen...sx-review.html).
At the same time, the info on their page says that the frame comes with an upper cup, and it is not mentioned if it's permanently integrated (part of the headtube) or it is there just for convenience (https://tech.commencal.com/bike/SUPR...-2018/287.html). There is another page which suggests that it is semi-integrated but again then says that it has an IS headset in it.
So, is this the first and only frame from Commencal series which comes with an integrated headset, or both cups can be removed and replaced with angle/stretch cups? I wrote to Commencal but decided to ask you guys, as you basically shred with this beast every day and should know for sure. Cheers!
I've been trying to figure out from Commencal but I can't seem to get a response either, haha. I gave up on it since it feels pretty good at 65, already have 6 days at Whistler Bike Park and a bunch of shuttle days.
I'm also not an expert on headsets/headtubes...but it's definitely a full 1.5" headtube with a removable upper cup (hence the IS41 under the "tech" section). I haven't actually tried to remove it yet, but I believe the fact that it is a full 1.5" head tube but they list the top cop as IS41 is what is confusing folks. To me, it looks just like a regular headset cup up top that can be removed though.
The head tube of the Supreme SX is indeed straight, and it’s 56mm. The frame comes with two cups, and if you put a tapered steerer fork, you only need a ZS 56 cup at the bottom:
- https://www.commencal-store.com/jeu-...56-c2x19925565
Haha nice! That's a lot better than I got. Here's the response I got from Works Components (workscomponents.co.uk), which seems to align with what you heard from Commencal:
"If the headtube is the same as shown in the attached image then it would be a 56/56 size and something we can provide a headset to fit - I think there has been some mis-labelling of the type of headset used online which is causing confusion. It is possible that they use an IS headset within the headset cups and therefore call it an IS headset.
Using a tapered fork we would need to produce an upper headcup to suit (not a full custom item, just the correct offset to be used with a tapered lower) but that would be no problem and we will add it to our stock size as there are a number of manufacturers beginning to use this size now."
They can do 1 degree, can also likely do more. I'm going to ride it a bit more at the stock 65 degree angle for a bit before I decide, as it feels pretty good!
Also...I recently had Craig from Avalanche do the Super Deluxe shock and an open bath damper for the Lyrik up front. Made an awesome bike absolutely unbelievable.
That may contribute to why I don't feel like I need it to be slacker than 65 degrees, since the fork now stays much higher in the travel (while somehow feeling more plush).
The shock is also unbelievable. Feel softer in the parking lot test, but stays much higher in the travel and is much more composed coming off of jumps. Before, it felt like I either had to run the shock super soft to feel good in the rough, but it wouldn't feel composed coming off lips. Felt like I was blowing through travel off of the lip of jumps. And the stock "trail" mode felt like garbage, so I would just tweak air pressure depending on what I was mostly riding.
Craig tunes the Super Delux so you keep the switch, but actually have 3 ride-able modes. I ride the bike in the "trail" middle mode most of the time now for high speed jump trails. I run it wide open for steep gnar (e.g. doubleblack tech at Whistler), and really only use the "climb" mode for fireroads. The bike rides great in all three modes as the compression will still blow off if I take a big enough hit.
The shock mod is a bargain at around $250, I'd highly recommend it over getting a new shock! Just slightly more expensive than a service.
Cheers man! The guys at Works Components are always super helpful. I'm a big open bath fan, so I'm for sure gonna follow your path. Also, is the HA indeed a 65, as if you look at the geometry charts, it should be 65 with 562mm a2c fork, and all 180mm 27,5 forks are with 570-580mm of a2c, so it should be in the 64 degrees figures. On this note, I am not entirely sure how accurate their charts are - I asked them about that too I am looking at the L frame, and my geeky nature did a quick calculation on the reach number, and they can't be right, or their top tube is not measured correctly, or the seat tube angle is not right
So the reach for the L with a 170mm fork is only 456mm (while stated as 467), and with a 180mm fork and an offset headset, it will go to 446mm (which is basically size M). Is your frame indeed with 596mm of effective top tube?
Btw, Commencal announced their 2019 range and it seems like they discontinued the Supreme SX range - I guess I'd be one of the last who joins this vanishing species
Oh man, yeah that's complex! I haven't gone that far into analysis, haha. I will say...I would wager the reach measurement is accurate. My medium feels just right around the stated 442mm. I also have a large Hightower, which has a reach measurement right around 450mm. Both bikes have a 50mm stem, and they feel very close in terms of reach.
Also, the climbing position on the Supreme SX is WAY more comfortable than my Hightower, which is supposed to have ~74 degree seat angle. I run both bikes with the seat slammed forward in the rails, but again...Supreme feels more comfortable than the Hightower, I feel like I am way less over the back wheel and am sitting much more upright. Super comfortable to sit and spin, despite how heavy of a rig it is with the build I have (doubledown tires, etc.). Perhaps the effective top tube measurement is incorrect then?
Too bad about them discontinuing these bikes in 2019! Grab one before they are gone. Although...those new Clash bikes (mini furious) also look pretty sweet.
Here are a few more pics of mine for some more stoke:
One of the best darn comments I've heard in a while!
I'm looking to get myself an enduro. I've got myself a trek HT for my XC rides, Moto Hal5 for Trails. And came across this brand and love their Meta AM rigs.
Originally Posted by Mr Pig
Commencal are under a lot of people's radar, which is a shame as they build good bikes.
They used to sell in shops but weren't happy with the way that worked out. The big brands got the best representation on the shop floor and Commencal typically found themselves in smaller, backwater shops. It kinda gave the impression that Commencal bikes were not as good as the big brands.
So they switched to selling direct, passing the saving onto the customer. The down-side is that now they have no presence in the shops at all. A lot of people find it hard to buy a bike they haven't seen in the flesh although I think that's changing.
Basically, I think the brands who sell bikes conventionally and play the established game get the best publicity. Commencal feel like outsiders in some ways but to be honest I quite like that. I like not having a Giant, or a Specialized or a Trek. Going to a trail centre and having the only bike like mine in the car park. Who wants to be a sheep?
Oh man, yeah that's complex! I haven't gone that far into analysis, haha. I will say...I would wager the reach measurement is accurate. My medium feels just right around the stated 442mm. I also have a large Hightower, which has a reach measurement right around 450mm. Both bikes have a 50mm stem, and they feel very close in terms of reach.
Also, the climbing position on the Supreme SX is WAY more comfortable than my Hightower, which is supposed to have ~74 degree seat angle. I run both bikes with the seat slammed forward in the rails, but again...Supreme feels more comfortable than the Hightower, I feel like I am way less over the back wheel and am sitting much more upright. Super comfortable to sit and spin, despite how heavy of a rig it is with the build I have (doubledown tires, etc.). Perhaps the effective top tube measurement is incorrect then?
Too bad about them discontinuing these bikes in 2019! Grab one before they are gone. Although...those new Clash bikes (mini furious) also look pretty sweet.
Here are a few more pics of mine for some more stoke:
Long time no see - I went on vacation without a laptop and I couldn't enter the forum on my phone as it was detected as a bot
I'm more than stoked, and your build is fabulous. Commencal did check the reach for me, and reassured me that it was correct (which is enough for me) - they mentioned that they have some offsets here and there, which are not specified hence the impossible calculations.
I can't wait for the bike, and I'm still wondering if the L frame (50mm longer seat tube than the M) is going to accommodate the 170mm OneUp Dropper completely flushed to the seat tube, but I guess I'll see
Has anyone used the SX for enduro racing? I have the supreme DH 29 and love it, so I was about to order the SX but was dissuaded by the commencal store guys, who said it doesn't pedal well enough. If anyone has real world experiences on the SX in enduro, would appreciate hearing them. Thanks.
Has anyone used the SX for enduro racing? I have the supreme DH 29 and love it, so I was about to order the SX but was dissuaded by the commencal store guys, who said it doesn't pedal well enough. If anyone has real world experiences on the SX in enduro, would appreciate hearing them. Thanks.
I have one, and like it quite a bit.
For something like an enduro type, race, I'd most def go for something more similar to the Meta AM. The SX is a monster downhill, but you will not be happy on your up/transition/climb bits. It'll get it done, but not great.
I've a 2016 Meta AM as well, and would totally opt for it over the SX for any kind of race other than a pure DH kind of thing. The AM doesn't lose out too terribly (depending on setup) on the downs compared to the SX, but on anything flat or uphill, it just kills it.
Built up my SX to get rid of my full DH rig that was just too big/cumbersome/more than I want/need at the lift spots I frequent. Wanted something that even if it isn't great for doing so, at least I *could* pedal it on my local trails, unlike the DH bike.
For something like an enduro type, race, I'd most def go for something more similar to the Meta AM. The SX is a monster downhill, but you will not be happy on your up/transition/climb bits. It'll get it done, but not great.
I've a 2016 Meta AM as well, and would totally opt for it over the SX for any kind of race other than a pure DH kind of thing. The AM doesn't lose out too terribly (depending on setup) on the downs compared to the SX, but on anything flat or uphill, it just kills it.
Built up my SX to get rid of my full DH rig that was just too big/cumbersome/more than I want/need at the lift spots I frequent. Wanted something that even if it isn't great for doing so, at least I *could* pedal it on my local trails, unlike the DH bike.
The SX is on a short list of bikes that i'd jump ship for. The larges are few and far between but used prices are pretty good when you find them. (hopefully) Commencal will see an increased interest in high pivot bikes after dominating WCDH on one and try building an enduro model again.
Definitely looking to get pointed downward on a high pivot bike
(hopefully) Commencal will see an increased interest in high pivot bikes after dominating WCDH on one...
How is a bike defined as 'high-pivot'? Does it just mean te pivot being above the bottom-bracket or does it have to be a good way up the seat-tube? Are the V3 and V4 high-pivot?
How is a bike defined as 'high-pivot'? Does it just mean te pivot being above the bottom-bracket or does it have to be a good way up the seat-tube? Are the V3 and V4 high-pivot?
Only the V4 is high pivot and yes the rear pivot is located significantly higher up the seat tube than conventional bikes. The high pivot design gives a rearward axle path and gets the suspension up and moving when it hits a bump. The downside is lack of antisquat and some braking issues.
The high pivot design gives a rearward axle path and gets the suspension up and moving when it hits a bump. The downside is lack of antisquat and some braking issues.
Thank you. So great for down-hill, not as good for cross-country as it doesn't pedal as well?
I am seriously considering getting a used Supreme SX and swapping out the fork for a 170mm 29" front with a short offset (44mm). The front will rise by about 11mm but I will offset this with a -1 deg angleset.
I am seriously considering getting a used Supreme SX and swapping out the fork for a 170mm 29" front with a short offset (44mm). The front will rise by about 11mm but I will offset this with a -1 deg angleset.
Is this a bad idea or is it worth testing out?
Trying to wrap my head around this. What is your objective?
Thank you. So great for down-hill, not as good for cross-country as it doesn't pedal as well?
Very good for DH but has its challenges when it comes to pedalling efficiency. Most bikes in that range of travel aren't gonna set any KOMs when it comes to climbs anyway. Keep an eye on this HP 29er trailbike coming soon from forbidden.
Thank you. So great for down-hill, not as good for cross-country as it doesn't pedal as well?
Actually it pedals surprisingly well... it is quite a heavy beast tho... but doing an all mountain ride with your buddies is definitely no issue, or even enjoyable.
I have a Starling Swoop with 29" front as my trailbike, and I built the Commencal Supreme SX this winter and love it so much that the amazing Starling is not even out of hibernation yet
CR Conception Fore inverted fork (from Richard Cross, a french suspension´s wizard), Cane Creek DB air shock, One up dropper post with hose inside seat and diagonal tube, 11-42 ti cassette and 30 t chainring...
V4.2 is better geometry for pedaling that supreme sx, frame wheight is similary.
OMG that's a sexy frame.... It think I soiled my pants
Post some money shots after she's done
Thanks! From what i understand it was the last size L frame with shock in all commencal inventory. Been eyeing a used complete, but they are super rare in large so i just bought a new frame instead.
I was >< that close to doing a 975 build with it but sticking with 27.5 F&R. Cool parts on the way and ill post pics once they start coming together.
Thanks! From what i understand it was the last size L frame with shock in all commencal inventory. Been eyeing a used complete, but they are super rare in large so i just bought a new frame instead.
I was >< that close to doing a 975 build with it but sticking with 27.5 F&R. Cool parts on the way and ill post pics once they start coming together.
Any update?
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collecting parts at the moment. Finding a 37mm steerer was a total PITA and i ended up buying a complete fork just for that. Have some sexy DT swiss hoops/hope pro 4 hubs and , other goodness on the way.
Once i get the fork built, I can mock up a headset and order a works for it. Shooting for 63.5-63* HTA
collecting parts at the moment. Finding a 37mm steerer was a total PITA and i ended up buying a complete fork just for that. Have some sexy DT swiss hoops/hope pro 4 hubs and , other goodness on the way.
Once i get the fork built, I can mock up a headset and order a works for it. Shooting for 63.5-63* HTA
Nice. Good luck and have fun.
Keep us posted.
2020 Kona Unit (in progress...)
2019 Forbidden Druid
2018 Kona Honzo ST 30th BDay SE
2015 Kona Paddy Wagon Fixed Gear
CR Conception Fore inverted fork (from Richard Cross, a french suspension´s wizard), Cane Creek DB air shock, One up dropper post with hose inside seat and diagonal tube, 11-42 ti cassette and 30 t chainring...
V4.2 is better geometry for pedaling that supreme sx, frame wheight is similary.
Thank you very much, very interesting project. So basically you have 29 in front to preserve original geometry with respect to 27.5 double crown fork.
What size it is the bike? And how it feels pedalling a 200+ travel bike?
Last question I promise, for the dropper you manage to use some already existing hole right? You succed in respct the minimum insertion of the dropper.
Thanks again one of the sickest bike ever seen really
Oh man, yeah that's complex! I haven't gone that far into analysis, haha. I will say...I would wager the reach measurement is accurate. My medium feels just right around the stated 442mm. I also have a large Hightower, which has a reach measurement right around 450mm. Both bikes have a 50mm stem, and they feel very close in terms of reach.
Also, the climbing position on the Supreme SX is WAY more comfortable than my Hightower, which is supposed to have ~74 degree seat angle. I run both bikes with the seat slammed forward in the rails, but again...Supreme feels more comfortable than the Hightower, I feel like I am way less over the back wheel and am sitting much more upright. Super comfortable to sit and spin, despite how heavy of a rig it is with the build I have (doubledown tires, etc.). Perhaps the effective top tube measurement is incorrect then?
Too bad about them discontinuing these bikes in 2019! Grab one before they are gone. Although...those new Clash bikes (mini furious) also look pretty sweet.
Here are a few more pics of mine for some more stoke:
Originally Posted by ATXZJ
2019 and the stoke is strong. Looking forward to putting this together
Originally Posted by ATXZJ
collecting parts at the moment. Finding a 37mm steerer was a total PITA and i ended up buying a complete fork just for that. Have some sexy DT swiss hoops/hope pro 4 hubs and , other goodness on the way.
Once i get the fork built, I can mock up a headset and order a works for it. Shooting for 63.5-63* HTA
So I had a closer look at this thread.
Holy shit. daway's SX is one of the sickest bikes I have seen. Ever. Period.
Sick AF.
ATXZJ - I can't wait now to see how yours turns out. That frame is pure sex.
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Oh man, yeah that's complex! I haven't gone that far into analysis, haha. I will say...I would wager the reach measurement is accurate. My medium feels just right around the stated 442mm. I also have a large Hightower, which has a reach measurement right around 450mm. Both bikes have a 50mm stem, and they feel very close in terms of reach.
Also, the climbing position on the Supreme SX is WAY more comfortable than my Hightower, which is supposed to have ~74 degree seat angle. I run both bikes with the seat slammed forward in the rails, but again...Supreme feels more comfortable than the Hightower, I feel like I am way less over the back wheel and am sitting much more upright. Super comfortable to sit and spin, despite how heavy of a rig it is with the build I have (doubledown tires, etc.). Perhaps the effective top tube measurement is incorrect then?
Too bad about them discontinuing these bikes in 2019! Grab one before they are gone. Although...those new Clash bikes (mini furious) also look pretty sweet.
Here are a few more pics of mine for some more stoke:
Originally Posted by ATXZJ
2019 and the stoke is strong. Looking forward to putting this together
Originally Posted by ATXZJ
Thanks man!
ill try not to disappoint on the build
I was >< that f*ckin close to doing a 975 with it. I still might someday
PB is all over that shit. Martin Maes and pretty much everyone else is rocking it hard, with obvious success.
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PB is all over that shit. Martin Maes and pretty much everyone else is rocking it hard, with obvious success.
Id like to try it with a 160mm travel 29 in the front to keep the stack close the the 180mm / 27.5. Gonna try a minion DHF 27.5 x 2.6 on the front with a 35mm internal hoop for a bit.
* Edit: Just weighed the frame and it comes in at 10.5lbs without maxle. Gonna be a wee bit portly when done.
Holy shit. daway's SX is one of the sickest bikes I have seen. Ever. Period.
Sick AF.
ATXZJ - I can't wait now to see how yours turns out. That frame is pure sex.
Thanks @mtnbkrmike. I love it.
Question for everyone. What's the largest rear cassette you are all running? I was trying to run a oneup 47t cassette, but the b tension you have to run means in the higher gear (smaller cogs) there is very little chainwrap which has been eating my cassettes.
May just end up going back to 11-42 or 11-46 stock shimano cassette and suffer through the climbs, but curious what other folks have found success with!
Id like to try it with a 160mm travel 29 in the front to keep the stack close the the 180mm / 27.5. Gonna try a minion DHF 27.5 x 2.6 on the front with a 35mm internal hoop for a bit.
* Edit: Just weighed the frame and it comes in at 10.5lbs without maxle. Gonna be a wee bit portly when done.
Let me know how this rides! I have a transition sentinel as my trail bike with a 160mm lyrik. Am VERY TEMPTED to steal the fork/wheel to run it on my SX for a day. Would be very interested to try on the Supreme with the reduced offset lyrik.
Question for everyone. What's the largest rear cassette you are all running? I was trying to run a oneup 47t cassette, but the b tension you have to run means in the higher gear (smaller cogs) there is very little chainwrap which has been eating my cassettes.
May just end up going back to 11-42 or 11-46 stock shimano cassette and suffer through the climbs, but curious what other folks have found success with!
I have an 11-46 sunrace and will use a 32t oval up front and a MED cage M8000 derailleur. I recommend the sunrace over the shimano cassette as there is less of a jump to the 46t. Failing that, sunrace makes a 11-50 now, and if you're running sram, you can use a longer cage derailleur without jacking with the b screw much.
((EDIT))
Missed your pics somehow. Looks like you have sram GX on yours. You can run a X01 12spd derailleur with an 11spd cassette and shifter to solve your b screw issue. Dont get the GX eagle derailleur as the cage bends when you look at it wrong.
Originally Posted by daway
Let me know how this rides! I have a transition sentinel as my trail bike with a 160mm lyrik. Am VERY TEMPTED to steal the fork/wheel to run it on my SX for a day. Would be very interested to try on the Supreme with the reduced offset lyrik.
I'd try it. My trailbike has a pike 29 with a 40mm CSU that i can extend to 160 and give it a try sometime. I really, really like the concept.
Thank you very much, very interesting project. So basically you have 29 in front to preserve original geometry with respect to 27.5 double crown fork.
What size it is the bike? And how it feels pedalling a 200+ travel bike?
Last question I promise, for the dropper you manage to use some already existing hole right? You succed in respct the minimum insertion of the dropper.
Thanks again one of the sickest bike ever seen really
Right, 29er fork is for geometry reason's. I've got a 29er Pike too but was very poor vs the rear suspension.
Not my best pedal friendly bike but is ok to go uphill by forest tracks and downhill by singletracks.
The internal dropper hose goes through the union of the seat tube and diagonal tube and leaves through the diagonal tube next to the hose of the rear brake, I like moto style for brakes.
Right, 29er fork is for geometry reason's. I've got a 29er Pike too but was very poor vs the rear suspension.
Not my best pedal friendly bike but is ok to go uphill by forest tracks and downhill by singletracks.
The internal dropper hose goes through the union of the seat tube and diagonal tube and leaves through the diagonal tube next to the hose of the rear brake, I like moto style for brakes.
so was this a DH frame originally? What wheelsize was/is it currently?
Question for everyone. What's the largest rear cassette you are all running? I was trying to run a oneup 47t cassette, but the b tension you have to run means in the higher gear (smaller cogs) there is very little chainwrap which has been eating my cassettes.
May just end up going back to 11-42 or 11-46 stock shimano cassette and suffer through the climbs, but curious what other folks have found success with!
Originally Posted by ATXZJ
I have an 11-46 sunrace and will use a 32t oval up front and a MED cage M8000 derailleur. I recommend the sunrace over the shimano cassette as there is less of a jump to the 46t. Failing that, sunrace makes a 11-50 now, and if you're running sram, you can use a longer cage derailleur without jacking with the b screw much.
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Missed your pics somehow. Looks like you have sram GX on yours. You can run a X01 12spd derailleur with an 11spd cassette and shifter to solve your b screw issue. Dont get the GX eagle derailleur as the cage bends when you look at it wrong.
I'd try it. My trailbike has a pike 29 with a 40mm CSU that i can extend to 160 and give it a try sometime. I really, really like the concept.
I actually switched the bike to Shimano M8000 med cage derailleur and XTR shifter. How long of a chain are you running? I have a medium frame. Got a new cassette and I STILL am getting skipping under load if I have the b-tension adjusted enough to get into my OneUp 47t chainring (w/ 11-42 Shimano cassette).
Maybe my chain is the issue...it's not stretched out, but I think it could have gotten messed up from having to ride the bent derailleur cage on the original stock GX derailleur for a bit.
I actually switched the bike to Shimano M8000 med cage derailleur and XTR shifter. How long of a chain are you running? I have a medium frame. Got a new cassette and I STILL am getting skipping under load if I have the b-tension adjusted enough to get into my OneUp 47t chainring (w/ 11-42 Shimano cassette).
Maybe my chain is the issue...it's not stretched out, but I think it could have gotten messed up from having to ride the bent derailleur cage on the original stock GX derailleur for a bit.
Havent built it yet, still collecting parts. Built a sentinel with sunrace 11-46 M9000 XTR shifter and derailleur and didnt have any issues. From what I understand a 46t is the max for shimano 11spd. I emailed commencal and they said they're running 112 links on the SX, although ive seen 124+ with eagle and chainguide.
Fort William. Amaury Pierron. High pivot witchcraft...
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So much of this! Wife and I have never been that hyped for a race. Holy sh#t, this is gonna be a great season!
Also digging the fact that commencal is playing around with the rear triangle and idler location for tracks that require more pedaling. Leads me to think we might see more HP bikes become viable options in the future.
So much of this! Wife and I have never been that hyped for a race. Holy sh#t, this is gonna be a great season!
Also digging the fact that commencal is playing around with the rear triangle and idler location for tracks that require more pedaling. Leads me to think we might see more HP bikes become viable options in the future.
LOL, it's amazing how bike snobs use to frown upon HP bikes. Now, more and more modern bikes are coming out re-introducing high pivots and those same snobs all of a sudden aren't saying a word. I find that a lot of folks simply regurgitate things they hear from the bike industry without any real knowledge or experience.
Commencal doesn't seem to care. They've always built hp bikes and still winning races lol
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Finally got my parts order and was able to mock up the bike to get an accurate HTA measurement. 62.7* with 2.5 SS and 2.6 DHF on 35mm wheels. No need for an angleset on this one
Finally got my parts order and was able to mock up the bike to get an accurate HTA measurement. 62.7* with 2.5 SS and 2.6 DHF on 35mm wheels. No need for an angleset on this one
Looks sick. Where you at on the build?
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Finally got my parts order and was able to mock up the bike to get an accurate HTA measurement. 62.7* with 2.5 SS and 2.6 DHF on 35mm wheels. No need for an angleset on this one
Sweet conversion to 279 and gorgeous looking bike! 62.7 HTA is sick. What is BB height? Looks quite high.
Sweet conversion to 279 and gorgeous looking bike! 62.7 HTA is sick. What is BB height? Looks quite high.
Thanks! Its actually not a mullet as both wheels are 27.5.
HTA was just under 63.5* with no tires on it and slacked to 62.7 with the tires. Bike has Lyrik 180mm 27.5 fork. Frame is rated at 65* from commencal but that seems to vary quite a bit and this one looks more like the supreme DH frame although it is an SX.
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Originally Posted by BMJ
You can put the Supreme DH V4’s ones if you want to put a straight steerer fork:
