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    Good job! 2021 Meta TR

    All new frame just dropped, looking pretty fresh with some nice changes.

    https://www.commencalusa.com/PBCPPlayer.asp?ID=2145369




    Whats new:
    *The new META TR 29 is longer: 490mm reach (size large) vs 475mm on the old META TR 29.
    *The seat angle is more steep: 78.6° vs 76.5°
    *Head angle more slack: 64.5° vs 66.5°
    *Short 44mm fork offset
    *150mm or 160mm Fork travel
    *210x55 shock now default size?

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    What a sick looking bike!

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    Looks amazing, bet it's a brilliant bike. All the angles, reach and suspension make it an enduro bike tough not trail. Hopefully 2020's sx will come down in price more. That's a perfect trail bike.

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    man that looks awesome and i dig the new design, that downtube looks cool. the slightly angled rear shock, not being parallel with the top tube, looks weird to me. Agreed, 150/140mm plus the smash and grab attitude I bet it has, prettymuch puts it in all-mountain category imo. I wonder if the rear shock could be downsized to 130.

    steep seat tube angle is nice

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    New bikes look so sick. Although I'm wondering how it climbs...seems really close to the Meta AM but the new ones are scheduled to be on site June 22nd. Maybe the AM version is 180/170

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    Quote Originally Posted by meSSican View Post
    New bikes look so sick. Although I'm wondering how it climbs...seems really close to the Meta AM but the new ones are scheduled to be on site June 22nd. Maybe the AM version is 180/170
    Probably climbs like fine just like the last one? Hard to imagine that the extra seat angle could hurt anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    Probably climbs like fine just like the last one? Hard to imagine that the extra seat angle could hurt anything.
    Yeah, you're right. That is a very steep angle. Very interested in this new bike.

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    Looks very nice.
    Anyone know when they will be available?

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    First Ride on Pinkbike

    New design looks Awesome...just not sure about the longer WB for my local trails.
    Ride, Enjoy...Repeat.

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    Looks amazing, wish the did something to lower the weight a bit...but burley build means less broken frames

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    Quote Originally Posted by dp400 View Post
    Looks very nice.
    Anyone know when they will be available?
    Looks like the 2021 frames will be available in August.
    Ride, Enjoy...Repeat.

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    great bike, decent price. It's expensive, but not uber expensive like a santa cruz.

    That too steep seatube trend makes little sense. the slack head angle great, but that steep seat tube, you can't seat and pedal like that unless it's uphill...

    and about the sizing... before you could get the larger size if you were in between sizes, now you get a small bike if you go the small one, or a horse of a bike, when you are in between sizes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehfour View Post
    Looks amazing, wish the did something to lower the weight a bit...but burley build means less broken frames
    they want zero problems with warranties, one easy way of making bikes cheaper; over build them and forget about problems and warranty costs and time.

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    This ! I think they overdid it in the race for the steepest STA on earth!:-)

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    I haven't ridden a bike with a progressive STA.
    Looks like the that's what all the cool bike companies are doing now a days.

    Nathan from The Path Podcast owns both the Privateer and Madonna V2.

    Looking forward to the next podcast, when they discuss these new progressive bikes.
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    Anyone know what the high polished frame really looks like? On the Meta AM, it looks just like high polished AL, but the image for the Meta TR looks like a high metallic silver paint. Is the TR painted, or polished and cleared?

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    Quote Originally Posted by areeves08 View Post
    Anyone know what the high polished frame really looks like? On the Meta AM, it looks just like high polished AL, but the image for the Meta TR looks like a high metallic silver paint. Is the TR painted, or polished and cleared?
    Not sure, I suggest emailing Commencal and asking

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    Quote Originally Posted by robomatic View Post
    Not sure, I suggest emailing Commencal and asking

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    I asked the question of Commencal and they were very quick to respond.

    "Thank you for your email and interest in Commencal.
    I can confirm the TR polished will look the same as the AM, the final photoshoot on the TR has not happened yet. That frame color is gorgeous."

    I'm seriously considering a Preorder, but the specs don't quite match up with my preferences. I'm a solid SLX lover, but really want to try the Lyrik/Super Deluxe Ultra RCT combo. The Race spec is Sram GX, and if I step up to the Signature, I lose the suspension I want and get XT cost with odd two-piston brakes. The Essential is probably all I need spec-wise, and could swap out suspension. So many choices!

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    Quote Originally Posted by areeves08 View Post
    I asked the question of Commencal and they were very quick to respond.

    "Thank you for your email and interest in Commencal.
    I can confirm the TR polished will look the same as the AM, the final photoshoot on the TR has not happened yet. That frame color is gorgeous."

    I'm seriously considering a Preorder, but the specs don't quite match up with my preferences. I'm a solid SLX lover, but really want to try the Lyrik/Super Deluxe Ultra RCT combo. The Race spec is Sram GX, and if I step up to the Signature, I lose the suspension I want and get XT cost with odd two-piston brakes. The Essential is probably all I need spec-wise, and could swap out suspension. So many choices!
    I'm a bit disappointed in Commencal's builds across the range. 2-pot brakes on the top model, really? The Essential was so close to my ideal price/spec build - the only miss is the suspension. I don't think I could put up with a DPS Performance on a burly 140mm trail bike. A 36 Performance Elite/Performance Elite DPX2 would have been great, and the option to spend a bit more and upgrade to the Lyrick/SuperDelux would have been even nicer. I'm really disappointed by the value of the a la carte option - everything seems to be priced at just about retail.

    Right now I'm holding out for the Privateer 141 - if they offer a similar price and specs to the 161 it would be my ideal bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix864 View Post
    I'm a bit disappointed in Commencal's builds across the range. 2-pot brakes on the top model, really? The Essential was so close to my ideal price/spec build - the only miss is the suspension. I don't think I could put up with a DPS Performance on a burly 140mm trail bike. A 36 Performance Elite/Performance Elite DPX2 would have been great, and the option to spend a bit more and upgrade to the Lyrick/SuperDelux would have been even nicer. I'm really disappointed by the value of the a la carte option - everything seems to be priced at just about retail.

    Right now I'm holding out for the Privateer 141 - if they offer a similar price and specs to the 161 it would be my ideal bike.
    I messed with the A La Carte yesterday, building a Race with SLX/XT components that I think would mimic GX cost, and I hit $4K without a dropper or wheels and tires. They must have put a premium on the frame.

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    Yip. But also take a look at the chainstay lengths - The front center of the new Meta is way too long for the short chainstays in my opinion.

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    I pulled the trigger on pre-ordering the Meta TR Race today which is really the same spec as last year's SX model. Coming from an old Ellsworth Evolution with ancient geometry and suspension tech, I'm really looking forward to what this bike is capable of. Here is a first impression review from Pinkbike if you haven't seen it yet.
    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-...o-a-thing.html
    One issue I have found is bike inventory is non-existent right now, especially with the direct to consumer bike manufacturers. I first tried to order a Ripley AF SLX(Same price as the TR Race)and was excited that the dealer had 1 left in stock only to be told the next day their system was incorrect and they had to cancel my order. They can't even tell me when they would see anymore before the 2021 model comes out. The YT Jeffsy lead time is October, the Propain Hugene in the Launch build is August at a grand more with a lower spec. Guerilla Gravity Smash has a 5-7 week build time and again would run at least $1000 more for close to the same specs. I even tried to find a Aluminum Hightower S and nobody has them. When you look at the build kit this Commencal offers, and the fact it's a 2021 model at this price point, I'm pretty happy with my decision. Lead time on the Race is last two weeks of July so at least I will get several months of quality riding in before Winter hits while everyone else waits for their backordered 2020 models to show up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_manny View Post
    I haven't ridden a bike with a progressive STA.
    Looks like the that's what all the cool bike companies are doing now a days.

    Nathan from The Path Podcast owns both the Privateer and Madonna V2.

    Looking forward to the next podcast, when they discuss these new progressive bikes.
    I need to get a ride on a super progressive bike like this before i'd consider "upgrading" from my 19 TR. The long reach value makes sense to me with the steeper seat angle, i'm really not worried about fitment. I also wouldn't mind a the head angle, or 10mm extra fork travel. I just don't want to lose that playful trail bike feel the current TR has, these new ones look like they're made to plow. Even though they kept the same chainstay length you're going to be laying longer over the top of the bike due to the length which could make manuals and bunnyhopping more difficult?

    What # podcast do they talk about the new geo?

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    The link is in my post. The Path Podcast is part of the mountain bike radio network.

    The new TR is also much longer, which may compromise playfulness for stability.
    Ride, Enjoy...Repeat.

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    2020 AM Essential vs 2021 TR Essential. Could save some money on the AM for a similar ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    I need to get a ride on a super progressive bike like this before i'd consider "upgrading" from my 19 TR. The long reach value makes sense to me with the steeper seat angle, i'm really not worried about fitment. I also wouldn't mind a the head angle, or 10mm extra fork travel. I just don't want to lose that playful trail bike feel the current TR has, these new ones look like they're made to plow. Even though they kept the same chainstay length you're going to be laying longer over the top of the bike due to the length which could make manuals and bunnyhopping more difficult?

    What # podcast do they talk about the new geo?
    Yeah, and our bikes are already made to plow lol. I already thought ours sacrificed a little playfulness for more smash and grab, as far as trail bike go. The new Meta TR seems to take it another step in that direction as evidenced by the longer reach and extra 10mm front and rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBro View Post
    I pulled the trigger on pre-ordering the Meta TR Race today which is really the same spec as last year's SX model. Coming from an old Ellsworth Evolution with ancient geometry and suspension tech, I'm really looking forward to what this bike is capable of. Here is a first impression review from Pinkbike if you haven't seen it yet.
    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-...o-a-thing.html
    One issue I have found is bike inventory is non-existent right now, especially with the direct to consumer bike manufacturers. I first tried to order a Ripley AF SLX(Same price as the TR Race)and was excited that the dealer had 1 left in stock only to be told the next day their system was incorrect and they had to cancel my order. They can't even tell me when they would see anymore before the 2021 model comes out. The YT Jeffsy lead time is October, the Propain Hugene in the Launch build is August at a grand more with a lower spec. Guerilla Gravity Smash has a 5-7 week build time and again would run at least $1000 more for close to the same specs. I even tried to find a Aluminum Hightower S and nobody has them. When you look at the build kit this Commencal offers, and the fact it's a 2021 model at this price point, I'm pretty happy with my decision. Lead time on the Race is last two weeks of July so at least I will get several months of quality riding in before Winter hits while everyone else waits for their backordered 2020 models to show up.
    What did they require as far as payment for the Pre-Order? I'm hoping they'll just take a deposit with full payment prior to shipment versus paying in full up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_manny View Post
    The link is in my post. The Path Podcast is part of the mountain bike radio network.

    The new TR is also much longer, which may compromise playfulness for stability.
    Listened to the latest one, he pretty much just says that his bike feels stable on fast chunk. Honestly I would expect this from anything with these mega wheelbase numbers. He also said his build was like 37LBs which could be a contributing factor?

    Quote Originally Posted by robomatic View Post
    Yeah, and our bikes are already made to plow lol. I already thought ours sacrificed a little playfulness for more smash and grab, as far as trail bike go. The new Meta TR seems to take it another step in that direction as evidenced by the longer reach and extra 10mm front and rear.

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    I don't really agree with that, my AM was way more forgiving than the TR but the TR is way more snappy to hop and pop even with the 29s. I already have mine setup for 140mm rear, I don't think it's a deal breaker +/- 10mm. I did some shuttling yesterday on a rather big trail for a trail bike. The TR held it's own but I wanted more bike a few times in the super steep and fast stuff. I don't think the extra angles would have made much of a difference without more travel. (appropriate travel for the geo at least..)

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    Full amount was charged to my card. Some manufacturers like Guerilla Gravity offer 6 months interest free financing, but I think most manufacturers with consumer direct models will make you pay in full even with a pre-order. Demand is too high for bikes at the moment for them to make any concessions on payment options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBro View Post
    Full amount was charged to my card. Some manufacturers like Guerilla Gravity offer 6 months interest free financing, but I think most manufacturers with consumer direct models will make you pay in full even with a pre-order. Demand is too high for bikes at the moment for them to make any concessions on payment options.
    One other thing I forgot to mention on the Race model that you need to take note of before ordering. Make sure that the spring rating on the Ultimate Coil matches your weight and riding style. Commencal gets these from the Factory and does not carry spare Rockshox Springs. The Spring weight is listed in the specs for each frame size. The Medium I ordered is only rated at 400 lbs so use the calculator on Rockshox to determine your Spring weight. Just like bikes that are in high demand these days, so are parts. I had to spend a lot of time trying to find a company that carried the correct size spring in the weight(600 lb spring) I needed.

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    Well, it looks like I missed the boat for a July delivery on a Large frame Race. We'll see who else is announcing new bikes in July.

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    Anybody here bought the FRAME option? Purchased a 2021 - LARGE FRAME and will build it up with the new 12 speed DEORE M6100 parts.

    I called Commencal up and they stated the rear shock mounting hardware (upper) is 20mmx10mm but for some reason they said won't fit a FOX Float DPS performance properly (210x55) due to the stepped eyelet DU bushing lip? My guess is that it's because of the TAN colored DELRIN bushing that comes with the FOX rear shocks?

    Any of you guys tried this before? Maybe remove the tan colored delrin bushing and press in a new PU bushing in it instead?

    Was also looking at the 5 PIECE mounting kit from FOX #803-03-232 (20mmx10mm) but nobody seems to have the darned thing in stock anywhere.

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    The Meta TR will definitely fit a DPS - the Essential model comes speced with one: https://www.commencalusa.com/meta-tr...al-c2x30728105

    If you use IGUS (fox) bushings, get the fox mounting kit (or DVO - both kits work with IGUS bushings). If you want to use DU bushings, get RockShox hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix864 View Post
    If you use IGUS (fox) bushings, get the fox mounting kit (or DVO - both kits work with IGUS bushings). If you want to use DU bushings, get RockShox hardware.
    Much thanks for the reply, bad info from me. I believe they meant the Ride Alpha 20x10mm bushing kit they sell won't work with the IGUS bushings. Per your suggestion, I sourced a Fox Mounting Hardware #803-03-232 (20x10mm).

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    Hi! Anyone know the maximal dropper insertion on a large frame? My cousin is on the verge to order an origin build and will need a dropper. He's 6'2" but with a smaller inseam so I think the fit will be better on a large than on a x-large...
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    2021 Meta TR Race has arrived

    I just got my 2021 in last Friday and only had enough time to unbox and start getting things set-up. I replaced the 350 lb Spring for a 600 lb spring, and will work on suspension set-up when I get back in town.

    I cannot describe how impressed I am with the build quality of this beast. The pictures on the Commencal website don't do this bike justice.

    I have a couple of pics that I took as well. The thickness of the tubes on this bike and their unique shapes just exude a robust design.

    Can't wait to get back in town, dial in the suspension, and put this monster to the test.



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    Looking good! Hopefully the frames aren't delayed from shipping - doing a custom build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funks View Post
    Looking good! Hopefully the frames aren't delayed from shipping - doing a custom build.
    Good luck on your build. Please share pics when you are finished. I will try to do a quick review after I get a chance to ride this weekend.

    Which frame model and color did you pick?

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    The frame is a 2021 Meta TR - Large - Color is Heritage Green. Would have been cheaper if I just bought the META TR "ESSENTIAL" trim level though, but said trim level is not available till November (backordered?)

    Looks like you got the "RACE" Trim Level. Are they shipping them out even though their site says November for most of the trim levels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by funks View Post
    The frame is a 2021 Meta TR - Large - Color is Heritage Green. Would have been cheaper if I just bought the META TR "ESSENTIAL" trim level though, but said trim level is not available till November (backordered?)

    Looks like you got the "RACE" Trim Level. Are they shipping them out even though their site says November for most of the trim levels?
    Commencal keeps updating the lead time based on the orders already placed. I was fortunate to jump on the pre-order in June that had a July delivery time. I was going to get the 2020 SX model which is pretty much identical to the new Race, but I hemmed and hawed and ended up missing out. There is something about the old top tube design that I really liked but once you get your frame in person you won't regret the 2021. I also like the matte Graphite paint color of the 2021 over the Putty color of the 2020 SX. Looks awesome with the red Lyric Fork and red spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBro View Post
    I replaced the 350 lb Spring for a 600 lb spring
    Hey TBro - I'm in New Zealand and expecting my large Race TR around 31st July... man this month is going slow. Just wondering if you could answer the unaskable - how much do you weigh? I'm 180lbs - 81ish kg and the large comes with a 400lb spring. I've read up on the new MRP progressive springs - could be an option if the spring needs changing.

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    I've been considering this bike for the past 2 weeks but wasn't planning on ordering until a little bit later this year when I change jobs (more $$$)... Just recently noticed that the XL Meta TR Signature isn't an option any longer...

    Has anyone had experience ordering from Commencal? Hoping that the Signature will become available again some time this year and hoping this wasn't my only opportunity to snag one at this price...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumenous View Post
    Hey TBro - I'm in New Zealand and expecting my large Race TR around 31st July... man this month is going slow. Just wondering if you could answer the unaskable - how much do you weigh? I'm 180lbs - 81ish kg and the large comes with a 400lb spring. I've read up on the new MRP progressive springs - could be an option if the spring needs changing.
    I got my TR Race in on the 17th. It's a large with the 400lb spring and it feels perfect for me at 190lbs. I sit right at 30% sag.

    Here are a few photos I shot after my first ride on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tpettit View Post

    Here are a few photos I shot after my first ride on it.
    Absolutely stunning photos - pro! Thanks for the intel on the spring/weight.

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    Was wondering if anybody here purchased the META TR 2021 in "Essential" trim which comes with the Fox Float DPS performance shock - if so, what's the custom 4-DIGIT TUNE ID for the rear shock?

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