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    2019 Meta TR British Edition 29

    Looking to pull the trigger on a new bike, and fell in love with this bike. What are your thoughts? Havenít really seen any discussions on it.

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    I think it'll be a ripper. I'm also strongly considering the TR 29er as my next bike, just waiting on 1. launch 2. some press reviews. I just wish a full build came in that sick brushed aluminum color!!

    For me it's this, or Transition. Both appear to have the qualities I'm looking for which is agile, fun, and responsive.

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    I'm pretty interested in a TR2 29 too. Seems like it ticks all the boxes for me. I'm considering a frame up or the Race build. I'm curious if the parts spec is accurate as the Trail build and Race build both have NX drivetrain, hoping it's a misprint and it has GX.

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    The TR 29 is a bike I'm considering along with the Jeffsy and Whyte S-150.
    I really dig the Ride build color scheme, but the build is kind of weak. I'd emailed Commencal USA asking if the TR 29 would be part of the "A La Carte" program, and they said yes. They'll get frames in October for custom builds, they weren't clear on which color ways or more details.
    One the fence with building and buying built, could move 25% my stuff off my current 29er, but also would be nice to have something new and shiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureUnknown View Post
    The TR 29 is a bike I'm considering along with the Jeffsy and Whyte S-150.
    I really dig the Ride build color scheme, but the build is kind of weak. I'd emailed Commencal USA asking if the TR 29 would be part of the "A La Carte" program, and they said yes. They'll get frames in October for custom builds, they weren't clear on which color ways or more details.
    One the fence with building and buying built, could move 25% my stuff off my current 29er, but also would be nice to have something new and shiny.
    Man, on the contrary I feel like for the price youíre getting a really good build. What about it do you think is weak? I canít seem to find another bike at this level/price point with awesome components. Excuse my ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBDiaz View Post
    Man, on the contrary I feel like for the price youíre getting a really good build. What about it do you think is weak? I canít seem to find another bike at this level/price point with awesome components. Excuse my ignorance.
    I think the build is decent on the Ride, but what I'm looking for is a solid fork/shock at this price point, the Jeffsy AL Comp is the same $ and has a Pike/Monarch. The S-150 S is also the same $ and comes with full GX build but lower quality suspension.
    IMO drivetrain wears and breaks which are replaceable, but the suspension tends to last longer.
    My $0.02 is you get a little more from YT and Whyte currently for roughly the same price.

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    Iím looking at the British Edition, though. At the same price as the 2018 Whyte S-150 RS. Only benefit in my eyes to the Whyte is the carbon frame and being able to run both 29 and 27.5+. Other than that, the Meta BE comes with Fox factory suspension, Eagle GX drivetrain, renthal cockpit, E13 TRS Wheelset, etc. Whyte is using a lot of in house parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureUnknown View Post
    I think the build is decent on the Ride, but what I'm looking for is a solid fork/shock at this price point, the Jeffsy AL Comp is the same $ and has a Pike/Monarch. The S-150 S is also the same $ and comes with full GX build but lower quality suspension.
    IMO drivetrain wears and breaks which are replaceable, but the suspension tends to last longer.
    My $0.02 is you get a little more from YT and Whyte currently for roughly the same price.
    Iím looking at the British Edition, though. At the same price as the 2018 Whyte S-150 RS. Only benefit in my eyes to the Whyte is the carbon frame and being able to run both 29 and 27.5+. Other than that, the Meta BE comes with Fox factory suspension, Eagle GX drivetrain, renthal cockpit, E13 TRS Wheelset, etc. Whyte is using a lot of in house parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBDiaz View Post
    Iím looking at the British Edition, though. At the same price as the 2018 Whyte S-150 RS. Only benefit in my eyes to the Whyte is the carbon frame and being able to run both 29 and 27.5+. Other than that, the Meta BE comes with Fox factory suspension, Eagle GX drivetrain, renthal cockpit, E13 TRS Wheelset, etc. Whyte is using a lot of in house parts.
    Between the BE and RS, the BE is a better build... IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureUnknown View Post
    Between the BE and RS, the BE is a better build... IMO
    Right on. I think Iím gonna end up with the BE. Iím psyched about that bike. Good luck on your choice, let me know what you end up with!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBDiaz View Post
    Right on. I think Iím gonna end up with the BE. Iím psyched about that bike. Good luck on your choice, let me know what you end up with!!
    Leaning more towards building; aluminum raw frame with Pike/Monarch & E13 wheels, take my M8000 drivetrain and brakes off my current bike, and finish it with Raceface cockpit/dropper

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureUnknown View Post
    The TR 29 is a bike I'm considering along with the Jeffsy and Whyte S-150.
    I really dig the Ride build color scheme, but the build is kind of weak. I'd emailed Commencal USA asking if the TR 29 would be part of the "A La Carte" program, and they said yes. They'll get frames in October for custom builds, they weren't clear on which color ways or more details.
    One the fence with building and buying built, could move 25% my stuff off my current 29er, but also would be nice to have something new and shiny.
    Nice! A La Carte looks like it ends up being pretty $$$ to build, judging by the A La Carte options for the other frames. I'd love a brushed aluminum color but my budget maxes out at ~$3k.

    Do you think the A La Carte TR 29er will exceed my budget?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robomatic View Post
    Nice! A La Carte looks like it ends up being pretty $$$ to build, judging by the A La Carte options for the other frames. I'd love a brushed aluminum color but my budget maxes out at ~$3k.

    Do you think the A La Carte TR 29er will exceed my budget?
    Just depends on what Commencal is looking to offer within the A La Carte program, you could call/email and ask them if they could do a "Ride Build" just with a Raw Aluminum frame rather than the Grey/Gold and see what they say.

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    I have the Whyte S-150 RS and love it. Really well made bike. I too am looking at the British edition. It has a killer suspension set up and looks amazing.

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    I'm interested in this bike as well. The geometry is kind of funky though on the website. The geo chart lists the fork length (A-C) as that of a 130mm Pike. None of the bikes come with a 130mm fork. No frame weight is listed either. I talked to someone at Commencal on the phone about this, as I'd like to do a frame up build, and he said the bike takes a 130-150mm fork but he wasn't sure what measurements the geo was done on. They didn't know what the frame weight is.

    I'm for sure interested in the bike, just would like to know more info before I put money into a frame. Especially since its a consumer direct brand that I won't be able to demo.
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    Want some reviews of the bike also, know the TR27 was a success, but making everything a littler larger to accommodate 29er wheels doesn't always make everything apples to apples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureUnknown View Post
    Want some reviews of the bike also, know the TR27 was a success, but making everything a littler larger to accommodate 29er wheels doesn't always make everything apples to apples.
    Any chance that some of these sites will get the bike before itís released to test/review? How do you think itíll perform? Iím super psyched about this thing. The kit looks phenomenal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GBDiaz View Post
    Any chance that some of these sites will get the bike before itís released to test/review? How do you think itíll perform? Iím super psyched about this thing. The kit looks phenomenal.
    Sure hope we get some reviews before the bike drops in October. People have been testing the Meta AM 29 already its also won a bunch of races already too. Seems odd they wouldn't offer the TR with the AM to testers seeing how aggressive all these manufactures have been in the "Trail" market.
    My 2 cents, if its as good as the current TR 27 and just a shorter travel version of the AM it should be excellent.

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    Anyone seen on the Commencal site, the "Availability" has now been pushed to December.

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    I noticed it's changed a few times recently, always farther out.

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    I was also pretty interested to buy this bike but the availability is too long. I think that I will (saddly) wait January for the new Jeffsy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fobi View Post
    I was also pretty interested to buy this bike but the availability is too long. I think that I will (saddly) wait January for the new Jeffsy.
    Current Jeffsey has a pretty hefty sale as of today. I donít mind waiting till Dec for the Commencal. Itís got what I want.

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    The weight information has been released by Commencal : 14,8 kg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fobi View Post
    The weight information has been released by Commencal : 14,8 kg
    Glad I decided to go in a different direction (didn't want to wait until December for a new bike). That's over 32lbs, my alloy Fuel EX build that I didn't really try to make light 30.1lbs. I think the Commencal would've been just a bit too long in the wheelbase for my liking anyways. Does look like I sweet bike though.
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    They doing a revamp of the Jeffsy? Haven't read or seen much about that...
    They're blowing out the 2018's, $2500 is a killer price for the AL Comp Jeffsy!
    I can wait for a Commencal, and I think I can get closer to 30lbs doing a custom build.

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    It's possible to gain some weight I think:
    • Cassette : XG-1275 : -200g or XG-1295 : -300g
    • Crankset : X01 or XX1 : - 100 g
    • Go tubeless : - 300 g ?
    • Go carbon for the stem : - 100 g


    I just tested the Spe Stumpjumper ST Expert 29 and the Trek Fuel EX 9.8 2019 but it's not the same price...

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    I didn't think the weight was too high considering the parts spec'd. There isn't anything fancy on it, all middle of the road or budget. I have a Chromag Surface that weighs about 31 pounds as a single speed, so 32 for full suspension and gears wouldn't bother me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fobi View Post
    It's possible to gain some weight I think:
    • Cassette : XG-1275 : -200g or XG-1295 : -300g
    • Crankset : X01 or XX1 : - 100 g
    • Go tubeless : - 300 g ?
    • Go carbon for the stem : - 100 g


    I just tested the Spe Stumpjumper ST Expert 29 and the Trek Fuel EX 9.8 2019 but it's not the same price...
    That's a start... IMO the 36 is a bit excessive, close to a pound can be saved going with a 34 also. And I like the Elite Performance over the Factory, also can save additional $$$. Wheels will also be a factor. So much to consider, but also so much more fun building than buying off the shelf/web.

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    Emailed them twice asking for some info about the frame and haven't gotten a reply in over a week. For direct sales that very disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cazman72 View Post
    Emailed them twice asking for some info about the frame and haven't gotten a reply in over a week. For direct sales that very disappointing.
    Thatís odd! I always receive very quick replies. Are you in the US?

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    Yeah, I'm in the US. I used the Need Help form from the frame page so I'll try emailing them directly.

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    When are we going to actually going to get some reviews of this bike... If it's still going to release in December shouldn't testers have already ridden it? They announced the bike close to 6 months ago.
    The way Evil dropped the Offering is an example of how competitive this trail segment is. Everyone has a 130-140 travel bike now, so selling units comes down to marketing if you don't have repeat customers only interested in your brand. What better way to get free marketing than by having tester test the bikes.

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    2 weeks and finally got a response.
    Frame weight - Unknown until they receive the frames
    Tires - Will fit a 2.6

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    Quote Originally Posted by cazman72 View Post
    2 weeks and finally got a response.
    Frame weight - Unknown until they receive the frames
    Did they give you any hints when bikes are going to show up in US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noblige View Post
    Did they give you any hints when bikes are going to show up in US?
    Nope, what I wrote is all they said in the reply I received.

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    I've been eyeing this to replace my '18 Fuel EX. I noticed that they offer the frame with both 210x50mm and 210x55mm shocks. I shot them an email asking whether the frame actually is compatible with a 55mm stroke, or if that listing was a mistake:

    "The frame has been developed around a 210 x 50 mm shock, but the 210 x 55 is compatible as well."

    So, one could use a 55mm stroke shock and achieve ~140mm of travel.

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    I noticed that too when on the Euro site but I'm not seeing a shock selection on the US site

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni L View Post
    I've been eyeing this to replace my '18 Fuel EX. I noticed that they offer the frame with both 210x50mm and 210x55mm shocks. I shot them an email asking whether the frame actually is compatible with a 55mm stroke, or if that listing was a mistake:

    "The frame has been developed around a 210 x 50 mm shock, but the 210 x 55 is compatible as well."

    So, one could use a 55mm stroke shock and achieve ~140mm of travel.
    That's kind of cool... Wonder if anyone would run a coil shock... Would give it a more aggressive look and completely different feel.

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    Ended up going with the Commencal Meta Trail V4.2 Race. A couple reviews came out in the last 2 months that rave about this bike. Suits my local terrain more, quite a bit cheaper (including my military discount), and Iíll be getting the bike way sooner. Iíll keep you guys posted! Thanks to everyone for your contribution and info!

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    I'm in the Air Force. How would I get a military discount?

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    It only applies to some of the bikes. Call with the bike youíre interested in and ask if they can apply the military discount to it! They will tell you how to go about the process! Good luck.

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    Spoke with them this morning about shipping timeframes for 2019 bikes - they have no idea. Apparently bikes haven't even left the port, so late December is probably earliest they will show up in US

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    I just preordered the frameset (XL, brushed). Building it with DVO Topaz
    @ 55mm stroke & Diamond @ 150mm. Gonna be sweet!

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    Anyone else think the reach numbers they posted are way off?

    Answered my own question. Seem pretty inline with modern aggressive 29ers like the Sentinel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni L View Post
    I just preordered the frameset (XL, brushed). Building it with DVO Topaz
    @ 55mm stroke & Diamond @ 150mm. Gonna be sweet!
    Sounds like a pretty sweet setup!
    I'll need an XL also, and the Brushed is the best looking with the Grey/Gold in close 2nd. So annoying that they don't have an ETA on anything from the mothership.

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    I'm checking them out on a la carte, and it looks like they're not charging for Fox forks and shocks? Surely this is a mistake on their site. If I put in the order, do you think they would honor it?

    2019 Meta TR British Edition 29-capture.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni L View Post
    I just preordered the frameset (XL, brushed). Building it with DVO Topaz
    @ 55mm stroke & Diamond @ 150mm. Gonna be sweet!
    I picked up a Topaz for my build as well.
    What mounting hardware are you going to use?
    I couldn't find the size listed in the specs on the DVO site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cazman72 View Post
    I picked up a Topaz for my build as well.
    What mounting hardware are you going to use?
    I couldn't find the size listed in the specs on the DVO site.
    Their euro site says:

    SHOCK BUSHINGS 20x10 mm

    Sooo, I went with that. I ordered the hardware together with the frame through Commencal's webstore. If you mean the eyelet diameter, that's 12.7mm so the same as Fox, RS etc.

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    Was talking about the bushings. I'll order them from the Commercial store also.
    Just a bit concerned since this size isn't one I found when looking for it among all the other sizes DVO offers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cazman72 View Post
    Anyone else think the reach numbers they posted are way off?

    Answered my own question. Seem pretty inline with modern aggressive 29ers like the Sentinel.
    Also my thoughts, Commencal geometryís seems quite conservative (480cm reach =meta 29 XL). I ordered an XL frame while Iím 1m79, regarding the sizetabel I should ride a M/L frame.

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    Just preordered a large BE. Feels a bit strange buying a bike with no reviews or demo ride, but the spec/value is absolutely spot on. Figure if everyone loves the 650b, the 29 won't be far off. Stoked!

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    Waiting on Large BE as well. Currently have 2015 Meta TR 650b, hoping it will be a worthy upgrade. Seeing that Meta AM 29 just hit the store in Andorra, I hope December date won't slip again. It's been too long of a wait!

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    Sweet. According to the guys in Golden, CO, the December arrival is still on track, though I doubt they really know for sure. Just under half of the Large BE preorder bikes are spoken for so I'm glad I got my order in before the holidays.

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    Noticed they added the frame weight 3.6kg/7.94lbs. A bit heavier than i was expecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cazman72 View Post
    Noticed they added the frame weight 3.6kg/7.94lbs. A bit heavier than i was expecting.
    Ouch... I might have to reassess my decision... Back to the basement with my foil hat.

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    33 lbs. seems a bit heavy but I'm not racing so I don't think that is a concern. Heck of a kit for 4k$. I haven't found any reviews yet.

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    This came up in an email conversation between me and Commencal:

    "The tubing / construction is exactly the same as the Meta AM"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureUnknown View Post
    Ouch... I might have to reassess my decision... Back to the basement with my foil hat.
    Yeah, I'm assuming they weighed it w/o the shock. That puts it really close to alloy Transition Sentinel (9.61 lbs. w/ shock) , which was the main rival to the Meta BE for me. I'm assuming most other alloy 29ers that are meant to take a beating will be in that range.

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    Checked on the Knolly Fugitive and Fanatik has it listed at 8 lbs w/o shock. Couldn't find the Stumpy Evo weight which are the other bikes I'm interested in. Sentinel is out due to poor rear tire clearance.

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    Think I might have been over reacting... Most other AL bike are around this same weight. The Smuggler is just over 8lbs w/o a shock also. Can't find a SC Tallboy AL frame only weight, but presumably its in this range also.

    The TR29 is still on my list, just still looking at other options for a frame up build still.

    The Fezzari is very tempting also, especially at the BF discount. Seriously considering especially with the PE fork and GX drive train. BUT Commencal has the street cred over Fezzari.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead!

    Update on the site:
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    4 DECEMBER 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by noblige View Post
    Update on the site:
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    Yew! Good eye. I'd been preparing myself for it to be delayed into January or something stupid like that, so this is great to see.

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    EU site shows Disponibilitť : 30 NOVEMBRE 2018 - so I think it's happening

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    I order a brushed aluminum frame this weekend... the 10% kicked in. Just couldn't help myself. Now I'm gathering parts. So stoked!

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    Just got off the phone with Commencal US rep - bikes indeed are coming in on 4th, and will be shipped out within 48 hours. Just two more weeks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noblige View Post
    Just got off the phone with Commencal US rep - bikes indeed are coming in on 4th, and will be shipped out within 48 hours. Just two more weeks!
    Sick! Thanks for the update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureUnknown View Post
    I order a brushed aluminum frame this weekend... the 10% kicked in. Just couldn't help myself. Now I'm gathering parts. So stoked!
    Let us know how you build it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toni L View Post
    This came up in an email conversation between me and Commencal:

    "The tubing / construction is exactly the same as the Meta AM"
    This and the similarities in geometry listed on the site make this pinkbike review pretty relevant to this thread. Still would be nice to have a proper review of the TR, though.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review...m-29-team.html
    Commencal Meta TR 29 British Ed. // Commencal Absolut

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureUnknown View Post
    I order a brushed aluminum frame this weekend... the 10% kicked in. Just couldn't help myself. Now I'm gathering parts. So stoked!
    Whatís the 10% that you speak of? Weíre the frames discounted?


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    Whatís the 10% that you speak of? Weíre the frames discounted?


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    With the Black Friday sale, the frames were available A La Carte and you could get 10% off. 10% covered the headset, shock bushings and shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureUnknown View Post
    With the Black Friday sale, the frames were available A La Carte and you could get 10% off. 10% covered the headset, shock bushings and shipping.
    Bummer for me... Iím in the market for the same frame. I checked out the Commencal site on BF and probably didnít click through far enough. I thought that the only discounted stuff was what was in the BF section of the website. Which seemed to be 2018 and earlier frames.


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    With the bike being "Available" tomorrow we're probably only going to get a YouTube video like they did for the Meta HT. Seems like they drop most their videos on a Tuesday.

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    Anybody receive theirs yet? Got pics and ride report?

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    Anybody receive theirs yet? Got pics and ride report?

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    US bikes are being shipped out this week. There might be some reports in Europe as they got theirs last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robomatic View Post
    Anybody receive theirs yet? Got pics and ride report?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noblige View Post
    US bikes are being shipped out this week. There might be some reports in Europe as they got theirs last week.
    Mine arrives on Monday! Our trails are good and frozen right now in Wisconsin, so I might even get a ride in. I'll report back if I do.
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    Mine is arriving on Monday as well.

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    Easier for you orders than mine probably, I went a la Carte and added a headset and shock bushing. Hopefully it ships today... But I'm still waiting on some parts to show up for the build.

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    Would love to know the actual frame weight once someone receives their frame. I'm still on the fence about ordering a frame due to the posted weight.

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    Euro webstore shows january for the frame sets now. Hope that's for another batch of frames rather than the first batch being pushed back...

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    Shakedown ride report

    So, I took delivery of the Meta late Saturday and got a chance to ride our very cold, very frozen trails to get a feel for this bike. My first impressions are as follows:

    Unboxing/Building
    Everything went pretty smoothly out of the box, though there were a few issues. One thing I was a little disappointed about was the lack of tubeless valves; I'd expect a bike like this to come with a set in the box. That, and I would have liked to see some volume spacers included as well. These are relatively minor things though, and after a trip to the bike shop, I got to work seating the tires.

    Everything seemed to go well, but I promptly flatted while bedding in my brakes. I discovered the valve hole on the rear rim is a little too large, and that pressing the valve from side to side caused air to leak. After trying a couple different approaches (including adding another layer of tape), I finally decided to add an o ring on the inside of the rim, between the valve stem (stans) and rim bed. This solved the issue in case anyone else runs into this. The only other issues I discovered was low pressure in the KS lev, which was easily remedied with a shock pump, and the b adjustment on the eagle derailleur being slightly off (I recommend getting the eagle b gap adjustment tool if you don't have one).

    As far as adding/swapping parts goes, I changed the grips for DMR deathgrips, put a Victoria Airliner insert in the rear tire, popped a specialized zee cage and Oneup EDC pump on, and threaded in some Kona Wah Wah II alloys pedals. After torquing everything to spec and chopping the bars down to 780, I was ready to ride.

    First Ride Impressions
    Lifting the bike on and off of my roof rack, I was reminded that this is not a light bike. I'm not too worried about the weight though--as the cliche goes, it rides light. The other thing I noticed in the parking lot was that the long reach and slack head angle makes it a little difficult to manual, which is something I usually have no problem with. I expect I'll find the new balance point in no time, though.

    Once on the trail, the first thing I noticed is just how great this fork feels. I'm coming from a RS Pike, and the difference in stiffness, plushness, and improvement in tracking around rough corners is extremely noticeable. It's going to take a while to set up, given the wide array of adjustments, but first impressions are super positive.

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    The only negative I've noticed is the relatively tall seat tube. With the saddle dropped, I was constantly aware of how high my saddle still felt. As someone who does a fair amount of jumping, this a little worrisome, but not a deal breaker by any means.

    Climbing performance feels really good. I was getting quite a bit of bob from the fork when climbing out of the saddle, but I attribute that to poor setup. Again, it's going to take a few rides to get the adjustments sorted out on the 36. I did all of my climbing in the open mode and did not detect much movement in the rear (One strange thing, given the crazy width of the top tube, you can't see the shock at all to check for movement while pedaling).

    As far as descending goes, I don't really have a good sense of that yet, as the trails I was riding are relatively mellow. I did encounter some decent rock gardens however, and Commencal felt really plush going over the rocks. Can't wait to point it down a real grade.

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    Rode mine today for the first time - comparing to my 2015 Commencal Meta TR - this is definitely more aggressive and burlier bike, especially in BE build - which is exactly what I was looking for, as I'm starting to outgrow of my previous bike.
    I can second everything @jabber127 wrote - this bike wants to go downhill fast Don't expect to set any records climbing or on flats, not at 33lbs and these tires )
    But downhill it's awesome.
    Need to figure front / rear suspension - shock comes with 0.6" token installed, but still bottoms out easily at 25% sag. GRIP2 fork has too many knobs will take a while get it dialed.
    Much shorter seat tube than 27.5 Meta, should be able to put 200mm dropper no problem (stock 150mm for Large frame is no good).

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    Quote Originally Posted by noblige View Post
    Rode mine today for the first time - comparing to my 2015 Commencal Meta TR - this is definitely more aggressive and burlier bike, especially in BE build - which is exactly what I was looking for, as I'm starting to outgrow of my previous bike.
    I can second everything @jabber127 wrote - this bike wants to go downhill fast Don't expect to set any records climbing or on flats, not at 33lbs and these tires )
    But downhill it's awesome.
    Need to figure front / rear suspension - shock comes with 0.6" token installed, but still bottoms out easily at 25% sag. GRIP2 fork has too many knobs will take a while get it dialed.
    Much shorter seat tube than 27.5 Meta, should be able to put 200mm dropper no problem (stock 150mm for Large frame is no good).

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    Besides being a bit heavy, how is the steep seat angle feeling? Can you tell itís helping out on the climbs? Is it at least an efficient climber? My brother had a 2016 Meta AM and it sucked climbing. Felt like it was wallowing in the travel and like my weight was way back over the rear tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noblige View Post
    Much shorter seat tube than 27.5 Meta, should be able to put 200mm dropper no problem (stock 150mm for Large frame is no good).

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    Man you must have sized down; my 150 post is almost slammed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabber127 View Post
    Man you must have sized down; my 150 post is almost slammed.
    Did you feel like the seat angle helped your positioning on climbs? Pretty efficient despite the weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by subyguy View Post
    Did you feel like the seat angle helped your positioning on climbs? Pretty efficient despite the weight?
    Yeah the bike climbs well. It has a steeper STA than my previous bike, but also has a 15mm longer reach, so I didn't really notice the steeper STA that much; the combination results in a natural feeling climbing position imo.
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    Nice. What were you riding before this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by subyguy View Post
    Nice. What were you riding before this?
    '16 Kona Process 111
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    Quote Originally Posted by subyguy View Post
    Besides being a bit heavy, how is the steep seat angle feeling? Can you tell itís helping out on the climbs? Is it at least an efficient climber? My brother had a 2016 Meta AM and it sucked climbing. Felt like it was wallowing in the travel and like my weight was way back over the rear tire.
    STA is about the same as my 2015 Meta TR (degree steeper I think), climbs alright, I keep shock open even on fire roads.
    Meta AM is much bigger bike - no way you are climbing 160mm bike without shock locked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabber127 View Post
    Man you must have sized down; my 150 post is almost slammed.
    Don't know I'm 6'00" with 34" inseam, got it in Large - it's 175mm KS Lev in the picture, stock 150mm would probably be above minimum insertion

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    Commencal updated the site again with new availability...

    Ride and Race will be "Available December 28th"
    Grey & Brushed frames will be "January 8th"

    I emailed them asking for a status of my order... Hope to eventually get my frame, all my parts are getting lonely.

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    Keep posting early ride reports and impressions! I've ordered an XL BE back in September and just got a call saying it won't show up till February! I'm in Canada, not sure why we're getting screwed when everyone else is getting their bikes. I do have the option to cancel my order anytime before it ships so these early ride reviews are helpful

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    Jabber, what size are you riding and how tall are you?

    I'm wondering if a size Medium would be too small for a rider that is 5'10" (179cm) tall. That reach of 475 for the size Large seems awful long though.



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    One thing I always try to remember when looking at reach; this bike has 76.5 degree seat tube angle (74 degree on current ride) and shorter stem 50mm (vs. my bike has 60mm). Thought I heard somewhere that every 1 degree in STA equates to 10mm of reach adjustment (more for taller riders, less for shorter riders)

    Quote Originally Posted by rondre3000 View Post
    Jabber, what size are you riding and how tall are you?

    I'm wondering if a size Medium would be too small for a rider that is 5'10" (179cm) tall. That reach of 475 for the size Large seems awful long though.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dhengen View Post
    One thing I always try to remember when looking at reach; this bike has 76.5 degree seat tube angle (74 degree on current ride) and shorter stem 50mm (vs. my bike has 60mm). Thought I heard somewhere that every 1 degree in STA equates to 10mm of reach adjustment (more for taller riders, less for shorter riders)
    I think you may have your geometry measurements mixed?

    Reach is a measurement from bottom bracket to head tube which you will feel while standing on your pedals (not seated). In this case, steep seat tube shouldn't have any impact on a static measurement like reach.

    Maybe you mean "top tube measurement"? All else equal, top tube length should get shorter as seat tube gets steeper.

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    True. I was thinking of how the extra reach would feel while seated and not considering how it would impact while standing. Stem length affects both, but STA only affects the feeling while seated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rondre3000 View Post
    Jabber, what size are you riding and how tall are you?

    I'm wondering if a size Medium would be too small for a rider that is 5'10" (179cm) tall. That reach of 475 for the size Large seems awful long though.



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    I'm on a size large and coming from a bike with a shorter wheelbase, reach, and slightly slacker STA, the seated pedaling position on the meta feels totally natural--whatever the relative geo numbers are that contribute to that feeling, commencal got them right with this bike.

    As far as standing goes, I'm really enjoying the extra length in the attack position and haven't had any issues keeping the front wheel weighted while cornering.

    Not sure what your inseam is, but the 150 seatpost is just about slammed to the collar for me. I'm 5'11" with a ~31" inseam, so that's worth considering. Otherwise, I don't feel this bike is too big for me at all and I wouldn't want to size down to a medium.
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    Thanks so much for the feedback Jabber127!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhengen View Post
    One thing I always try to remember when looking at reach; this bike has 76.5 degree seat tube angle (74 degree on current ride) and shorter stem 50mm (vs. my bike has 60mm). Thought I heard somewhere that every 1 degree in STA equates to 10mm of reach adjustment (more for taller riders, less for shorter riders)
    Related to this- I'm curious if the published seat tube angle seems near accurate? This number is sometimes fictitious it seems.

    (For example my current Reign had a published "slack" seat angle number, and my buddy's YT had a "steep" seat angle. When I took a plumb line off the nose of the saddles at the same height both bikes were identical at 5cm setback from bottom bracket).

    It's tricky to figure out your seated reach numbers accurately without knowing where that saddle will end up.

    I'm also 5'10", 31" inseam and waffling between M & L...

    I demo'd a large Hightower LT with 443mm reach which seemed comfortably long over 3'000 of climbing in B.C., but the seat angle seemed pretty slack. I'm normally on a Reign with 458mm reach with a fairly neutral seat angle. Hmm, based on this a medium Commencal at 455mm reach seems like it might be the ticket.

    Then again if you're building from frame up could go a size larger and run a super short stem (32mm Turbine 35) and get a new school low (44mm) offset fork, vs a standard (51mm) offset...
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    Full builds in polished and sand colored frames up on site now.

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    Those look so good! I'm digging that tan colorway! The raw is cool too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by subyguy View Post
    I'm digging that tan colorway!
    Honestly, almost as good as the B.E. The 36 decals look so good.
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    Thabks for those ride reports! For those of you who've received your bikes, do you have any more feedback? How playful and poppy is this bike? Would you say it's about having fun or being a hard charger?

    I'd like to have a fun bike and maybe this would be the ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robomatic View Post
    Thabks for those ride reports! For those of you who've received your bikes, do you have any more feedback? How playful and poppy is this bike? Would you say it's about having fun or being a hard charger?

    I'd like to have a fun bike and maybe this would be the ticket.

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    My guess is that you can achieve either of those characteristics through the suspension tune and how you ride the bike. I haven't had much more of an opportunity to ride the meta after my initial shakedown, but after putting a larger volume spacer in the dpx2 and tooling around the neighborhood, I definitely feel more of the pop that you're referring to. Your riding style comes into play when you consider the weight of the bike. It rides relatively light, but it takes a good amount of input if you really want to throw this bike around, at least more so than my last bike, which was more trail oriented (Kona Process 111).

    Basically, I think if you find the right rebound and volume in both ends of the suspension, this bike will be as lively as others in the category. That just takes a fair amount of rider input and experimentation, given the range of adjustments on offer.

    Again, take this with a grain of salt, as most of these observations have been made off the trail. But the style of riding you describe is very close to my own, and I don't worry about achieving that on this bike.
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    Good to know, thanks!

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    Dig the Sand colorway, but still think the Brushed is the best!
    Also, it appears the two Essential builds are the same, why the $100 difference...

    I spoke to Clay earlier this week, hopefully I'll have my frame the 1st week of January.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureUnknown View Post
    Dig the Sand colorway, but still think the Brushed is the best!
    Also, it appears the two Essential builds are the same, why the $100 difference...

    I spoke to Clay earlier this week, hopefully I'll have my frame the 1st week of January.
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    The Meta TR has really caught my eye as I'm in the market to replace my 17 Trek Fuel EX 8.

    Does anyone have experience with this and the new 19 Trek Remedy 8? That's the other bike i'm considering. Both are approximately $4k however the Meta TR has a better spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noblige View Post
    Rode mine today for the first time - comparing to my 2015 Commencal Meta TR - this is definitely more aggressive and burlier bike, especially in BE build - which is exactly what I was looking for, as I'm starting to outgrow of my previous bike.
    I can second everything @jabber127 wrote - this bike wants to go downhill fast Don't expect to set any records climbing or on flats, not at 33lbs and these tires )
    But downhill it's awesome.
    Need to figure front / rear suspension - shock comes with 0.6" token installed, but still bottoms out easily at 25% sag. GRIP2 fork has too many knobs will take a while get it dialed.
    Much shorter seat tube than 27.5 Meta, should be able to put 200mm dropper no problem (stock 150mm for Large frame is no good).

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    Hey how does your dpx2 feel? Mine feels rough and it's a bit noisy. Had a good amount of float fluid on the stanchion after my ride today, I'd say more than what I usually see after a shock rebuild. The shock is behaving normally, but I'm wondering if I have an issue.
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    I'm wondering about that draggy -38mm bottom bracket height.

    Anyone running into too-low bottom bracket problems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooMuchCoffeeMan View Post
    I'm wondering about that draggy -38mm bottom bracket height.

    Anyone running into too-low bottom bracket problems?
    Funny you bring this up, I was just looking at 170 carbon cranks for this reason and the fact that the stock 175mm 7k descendants weigh a ton. The bb is definitely really low, which is great for cornering, but I've definitely had more pedal/toe contact than I'd like. That said, I am still experimenting with different sag numbers. Also, the way this bike corners, it's probably worth putting up with some pedal strikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabber127 View Post
    Also, the way this bike corners, it's probably worth putting up with some pedal strikes.
    Sounds awesome - please expand on this. I've been searching the interwebs high and low for initial ride impressions and this forum is all I can find. Does anyone know of anywhere else that in depth reviews have been done so far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhengen View Post
    Sounds awesome - please expand on this. I've been searching the interwebs high and low for initial ride impressions and this forum is all I can find. Does anyone know of anywhere else that in depth reviews have been done so far?
    Yeah I'm really surprised not to see this bike included in any of the year-end reviews--was hoping bike mag or pinkbike would cover it.

    Low bottom brackets help with cornering and stability by lowering your center of gravity. The trade-off is pedal strikes. Really though, this bike corners like a boss. I think half of it is the fork; the thing tracks so well.
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    One last question I had was about the chainstay width. It looks like they've stuck the brake caliper on the inside again resulting in a wide chainstay as they did with the TR 27.5.

    Any issue with heel rub from any of the owners? I tend to ride quite duck footed so a bit concerned about this.

    Low bottom bracket is more of a non-issue as it can be gotten used to pretty easily, and results in better handling besides.


    Btw, cheers for the help from those who've taken early delivery, as has been said you're really the only source of information available. 🍻

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooMuchCoffeeMan View Post
    One last question I had was about the chainstay width. It looks like they've stuck the brake caliper on the inside again resulting in a wide chainstay as they did with the TR 27.5.

    Any issue with heel rub from any of the owners? I tend to ride quite duck footed so a bit concerned about this.
    Noticed my heel hit the chain stay once in 5 rides so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by TooMuchCoffeeMan View Post
    Btw, cheers for the help from those who've taken early delivery, as has been said you're really the only source of information available. 
    Happy to answer any more questions. Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by TooMuchCoffeeMan View Post
    One last question I had was about the chainstay width. It looks like they've stuck the brake caliper on the inside again resulting in a wide chainstay as they did with the TR 27.5.

    Any issue with heel rub from any of the owners? I tend to ride quite duck footed so a bit concerned about this.
    I think this whole chainstay issue is exaggerated - I have both TR27.5 and TR29. In shoes size 11 and with pedals that sit really close to cranks (Stamp 7) I have no issues.

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    Code BOXINGDAY gets you 10% off ala carte and sale items! Good until Sunday @ midnight.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rondre3000 View Post
    Code BOXINGDAY gets you 10% off ala carte and sale items! Good until Sunday @ midnight.



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    Doesn't work for me, just like BLACKFRIDAY. I give up.

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    How strange! I'm able to add items and see the discount applied at check out.

    For clarity, you are only adding items to your cart from the Boxing Day or A La Carte menus, correct?

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    Added the frame from the A La Carte menu just as I did for blackfriday2019 Meta TR British Edition 29-screenshot_20181225-215213.jpg

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    *deleting previous advice. Issue seems to be item specific*

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    One thing I just noticed is you have to be able to be able to get to the "Finalise My Build" button. Frames like the SRAM Edition Meta AM don't have this option yet so you can't apply the discount to that order.

    But you can see that the code does work so maybe this will help?

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    How durable are Commencal meta am 29er frames?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rave81 View Post
    How durable are Commencal meta am 29er frames?
    At least as durable as previous Commencal frames, I would think. They've only been available to the public for a few weeks so you won't find many reviews...only bike publication reviews from around September when the model was announced.

    What makes you ask about that frame in particular?

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    Hopefully Bike Radar will have a review of the bike in the coming weeks...

    https://www.bikeradar.com/us/gear/ar...in-2018-53265/

    And I got my A La Carte to work with the discounts code on Black Friday by choosing "Finalize My Build" I added a Headset other than just ordering the frame only. And I just tried doing the same thing again, picked the Grey/Gold TR added a Headset and Seatpost Clamp, did "Finalize My Build", yes the Pre-Order and then once on the page with the items in my cart I put in the Boxingday promo code and knocked off 10%.

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    Any comments on the rear hub? Quiet? Loud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhengen View Post
    Any comments on the rear hub? Quiet? Loud?
    Yeah, loud. Sounds awesome.
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    Anyone know what the fork offset is by chance?

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    Normal 51mm.
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    Anyone know what the fork offset is by chance?
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    Geo on this thing looks really close to the Yeti SB130. Wonder if it rides similarly to it? Any of you that bought this happen to demo an SB130 by chance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by subyguy View Post
    Geo on this thing looks really close to the Yeti SB130. Wonder if it rides similarly to it? Any of you that bought this happen to demo an SB130 by chance?
    I just picked up an SB130 because I couldn't wait any longer for a TR frame. While fit will be similar, I'm sure that suspension feel will be different and subject to personal preference.

    A lot of what makes a Yeti feel like a Yeti has to do with that Switch Infinity pivot. Not saying it is better or worse, just different and it really does feel like it had more travel than it does while pedaling very efficiently.

    I'd still be interested to hear how the TR 29 owners get on as more bikes and frames become available!

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    I was about 95% sure that a Transition Sentinel (alloy gx build) would be my next bike. Now I'm rethinking that...

    Is anyone else thinking that the BE w/ 55mm stroke shock and maybe an air shaft kit to get the fork to 160mm would be the perfect bike? I like the AM 29, but a 160/170 bike is just a little more than I'm looking for. I have a hard tail that I ride locally and I'm looking for a bike that can handle the local tough trails (Pisgah) and occasionally some park duty.

    Thoughts?

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    I've got a 51mm offset fork for a build and with terrible tire clearance I crossed the Sentinel off my list.
    I can't decide between the TR or the new Sensor.
    I did pick up a DVO Topaz 210x55 and plan to run the fork at 150 if I do end up pulling the trigger on the TR frame. Can't make up my mind and am holding out until a couple more reviews come out.

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    I'd really like to ride one, but I'm in NC so I doubt I'll be able to. I'm not terribly excited about buying a new bike without riding it first.

    Looks like the "a la carte" option for the Meta doesn't have an option for a dpx2 at 210x55, just a super deluxe. I wonder if the folks in Colorado would be able to swap out the 210x50 for a 210x55 dpx2? I can always increase the fork travel by myself if I decide to down the road.

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    Was anybody able to check the weight of the frame? on www.mtb-news.de the first measurement is quite disappointing. 3850g for a size M frame without shock. It is a Meta AM 29 frame and not a TR though. But i read that the AM and TR share the same hardware and tubing so i dont expect the TR to be lighter than the AM.

    I was riding a Nicolai so far and do not care a lot about frame wieght but 3.85 kg!?

    What do you think?

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    Whats are people doing for frame protection? Helicopter tape? 3M? Gorilla tape? I used Gorilla tape on my Bronson but it wasn't the best. Looking for options once my bike finally shows up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhengen View Post
    Whats are people doing for frame protection? Helicopter tape? 3M? Gorilla tape? I used Gorilla tape on my Bronson but it wasn't the best. Looking for options once my bike finally shows up.
    RideWrap makes a kit for the Meta 29, since the TR frame is almost identical should work pretty well. Might be worth contacting them.

    On other news, got am email from Clay yesterday, frame's are on a train from Seattle to Golden. They expect them sometime at the end of next week.

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    Thanks for the tip. I contacted them after doing more research. Kits look expensive, but worth it in the end. They are seeing if the Meta AM one will work, if not are looking into a TR specific one. It's cool because they have a direct relationship with Commencal.

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    I was doing a little research today for anyone that is interested.

    I spoke with Clay as well. Asked him about the different shock options and he said that the Super Deluxe is the only shock available in a 55mm stroke. All of their DPX2's are 50mm. I called the East Coast Fox service dept. and found out that they can increase the stroke on a DPX2 for about $50 (plus freight). If you're like me and want to bump the fork to 160mm, the air shaft and oil are another $60 if you can do the work yourself. So for about $150 in total you can take the bike from 130/150 to 140/160. Head angle will change about 0.5 degrees making the new angle about 66. Will raise the BB about 5mm as well if I'm not mistaken (should help with pedal strikes).

    He said that they're expecting to have all frame sizes in stock by early February.

    I definitely think this is going to be my next bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by msedly View Post
    I was doing a little research today for anyone that is interested.

    I spoke with Clay as well. Asked him about the different shock options and he said that the Super Deluxe is the only shock available in a 55mm stroke. All of their DPX2's are 50mm. I called the East Coast Fox service dept. and found out that they can increase the stroke on a DPX2 for about $50 (plus freight).
    I also asked these questions and got the same what I would call a "non-response" from him. I'm not convinced he knows any more than we do regarding fitment of the alternative sizes, but the fact that they have it listed on the site with a 55mm gives me enough confidence that it's ok. I went ahead and ordered the 210x55 dpx2.. We'll find out of the back tire is gonna eat the seat tube really fast I guess, but i'd like the extra travel if it's doable.

    If you're like me and want to bump the fork to 160mm, the air shaft and oil are another $60 if you can do the work yourself. So for about $150 in total you can take the bike from 130/150 to 140/160. Head angle will change about 0.5 degrees making the new angle about 66. Will raise the BB about 5mm as well if I'm not mistaken (should help with pedal strikes).
    Also not sold on these numbers, a 160mm Fox36 is 567.1mm axle to crown.(571 for 160mm pike) That's 6.1mm more than than what they list as the max fork length(561mm). Note the geometry numbers on the Commencal site are quoted with a 541mm fork.(130mm travel Pike) 160mm Fox probably isn't a problem with sag, but if you wanted those numbers why not just get the AM to begin with?

    I'm coming off a 15 Meta AM, pretty excited for this one. I been aching for longer reach/steeper seat angle for a while now.

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    Also not sold on these numbers, a 160mm Fox36 is 567.1mm axle to crown.(571 for 160mm pike) That's 6.1mm more than than what they list as the max fork length(561mm). Note the geometry numbers on the Commencal site are quoted with a 541mm fork.(130mm travel Pike) 160mm Fox probably isn't a problem with sag, but if you wanted those numbers why not just get the AM to begin with?

    I'm coming off a 15 Meta AM, pretty excited for this one. I been aching for longer reach/steeper seat angle for a while now.
    You're 100% right... I didn't see that their measurements were with a 130mm fork. I still think that for every 10mm of fork travel is increased, it reduces the head tube angle by 0.5 degrees, right? If that's the case, then a 150mm fork is going to make for a 65.5 degree head angle. I managed to miss the max axle-to-crown measurement as well.

    That being said, I was planning on riding the bike in stock form to see how it feels exactly and modify if necessary. I'm still with you on the rear shock. I think that if a 55mm can be used it would be a no-brainer to get the extra cushion. No telling if you're just going to be removing paint from the seat tube.

    Either way, I think this is going to be one sweet bike!

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    Ok guys. I am getting real close to pulling the trigger on this bike! To those that have purchased and ridden their bikes a bit, do you have any regrets at all? Or should I go for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by subyguy View Post
    Ok guys. I am getting real close to pulling the trigger on this bike! To those that have purchased and ridden their bikes a bit, do you have any regrets at all? Or should I go for it?
    If I try really hard to come up with negative about this bike, I can say it's a pound or two heavier than I'd like it to be. But I'm a heavy rider with a somewhat aggressive riding style and I'm betting this added weight will add up to increased durability; there's no free lunch. Really though this thing rips, mobs, shreds, etc. The only other route I'd consider is saving a bit more and getting a Ripmo but I've got no regrets.
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    Nice! Iím not worried too much about weight. I could drop 40 lbs off myself and start flying uphills. Iíll take a bit of durability for sure. Iím like 6í4Ē and 250 lbs and pretty aggressive as well. Sounds like it will suit me perfectly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by subyguy View Post
    Nice! Iím not worried too much about weight. I could drop 40 lbs off myself and start flying uphills. Iíll take a bit of durability for sure. Iím like 6í4Ē and 250 lbs and pretty aggressive as well. Sounds like it will suit me perfectly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    Note the geometry numbers on the Commencal site are quoted with a 541mm fork.(130mm travel Pike)
    I never noticed that. Does anyone know why they quote the geo like that when they only sell them with 140mm or 150mm travel forks?

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    When I spoke with Commencal CS in november they said that the geo on the TR29 evolved with time but Commencal didn't update the website. Now there's something that'll make you scratch your head...

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    There are some screwy numbers on there. If you go to the main description for the bike (not for any specific model), it lists the seat tube angle as 66 degrees. BB height is listed as 38mm in one place and -38mm in another. They must be talking about BB drop?

    Hopefully the numbers will all be fixed within the next month as these things start showing up in bigger numbers. I'm trying to hold out for a review or two as well although I don't think I can go wrong buying without any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabber127 View Post
    If I try really hard to come up with negative about this bike, I can say it's a pound or two heavier than I'd like it to be. But I'm a heavy rider with a somewhat aggressive riding style and I'm betting this added weight will add up to increased durability; there's no free lunch. Really though this thing rips, mobs, shreds, etc. The only other route I'd consider is saving a bit more and getting a Ripmo but I've got no regrets.

    DO you or anyone else have thoughts about how well the bike climbs? I was heavily considering the Sentinel until I realized that it climbs a bit like a hog. I'm looking for something that's a bit more spunky and easy to spend a day in the saddle in and wondering if the Meta TR 29 fits the bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kudikidd29 View Post
    DO you or anyone else have thoughts about how well the bike climbs? I was heavily considering the Sentinel until I realized that it climbs a bit like a hog. I'm looking for something that's a bit more spunky and easy to spend a day in the saddle in and wondering if the Meta TR 29 fits the bill.
    I wouldn't say climbing on this bike is a standout feature, but I also wouldn't say it's at all a bad climber. Pretty neutral. I don't notice any bob in the suspension and I haven't really needed to use the climb switch, but it's not a light bike and you can feel that a bit.

    That said, it's winter here and my fitness is garbage; I might feel differently in the spring once I'm back up to speed.
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    You're feeling those heavy wheels, and soft meaty tires more than a few oz on the frame. On paper this should be a decent climber, I always thought my Meta AM got along pretty well for being such an aggressive bike. This certainly has to pedal better than that variety. But there's a lot personal factors involved too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    You're feeling those heavy wheels, and soft meaty tires more than a few oz on the frame. On paper this should be a decent climber, I always thought my Meta AM got along pretty well for being such an aggressive bike. This certainly has to pedal better than that variety. But there's a lot personal factors involved too.
    No doubt. Running a vittoria airliner in the back as well, which doesn't help. I did swap the rear tire out for a rock razor and that definitely sped things up.
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    check out the La Sal Peak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabber127 View Post
    No doubt. Running a vittoria airliner in the back as well, which doesn't help. I did swap the rear tire out for a rock razor and that definitely sped things up.
    Snakeskin I assume with the insert? I ran the super gravity for years which proved to be unflappable.

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    Fezzari is about 10 minutes from my house. I demoed the La Sal for about a week. Absolutely love that bike! So good.

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    I would prefer to support someone in the states but I really don't want a carbon bike. Call me old school, but I'd rather have the same build for $1k less. Weight isn't super important to me either. I just want a bomb-proof bike that is fun to ride.

    The Meta Trail BE and Sentinel tick all the boxes. I prefer Shimano brakes and I'm not a fan of the reverb dropper so I was making some concessions with the Sentinel. The Meta is basically the exact way I'd build a bike (and it's $400 less than the Sentinel). For me, it just makes perfect sense.

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    Same here. Loved the way the La Sal rode and loved the bike, but I don't care if I save a couple lbs with carbon either. The BE Meta is pretty much how I would build my bike as well. I didn't like the reverb because I ride occasionally when it's cold and my friends that have the reverb always have trouble with their posts working when its below like 45 degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    Snakeskin I assume with the insert? I ran the super gravity for years which proved to be unflappable.
    Snakeskin, yeah. I really like the damped feel of the insert, but I'm sure it's similar to how a downhill casing feels.
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    For those of you who have built your bikes, how was the internal cable routing to deal with?Is it loose inside the frame or is there some sort of guides?

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    Longer Stroke

    [QUOTE=PhoS;13945249]I also asked these questions and got the same what I would call a "non-response" from him. I'm not convinced he knows any more than we do regarding fitment of the alternative sizes, but the fact that they have it listed on the site with a 55mm gives me enough confidence that it's ok. I went ahead and ordered the 210x55 dpx2.. We'll find out of the back tire is gonna eat the seat tube really fast I guess, but i'd like the extra travel if it's doable.



    Have you or has anyone else been able to talk to Commencal a bit more about it or take the bike out and see how it goes with the longer stroke length?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    I also asked these questions and got the same what I would call a "non-response" from him. I'm not convinced he knows any more than we do regarding fitment of the alternative sizes, but the fact that they have it listed on the site with a 55mm gives me enough confidence that it's ok. I went ahead and ordered the 210x55 dpx2.. We'll find out of the back tire is gonna eat the seat tube really fast I guess, but i'd like the extra travel if it's doable.



    Have you or has anyone else been able to talk to Commencal a bit more about it or take the bike out and see how it goes with the longer stroke length?
    This is what they said when I asked about it some time ago:

    "The frame has been developed around a 210 x 50 mm shock, but the 210 x 55 is compatible as well."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kudikidd29 View Post

    This is what they said when I asked about it some time ago:

    "The frame has been developed around a 210 x 50 mm shock, but the 210 x 55 is compatible as well."

    Rad! Thanks for the response! Excited to hear some of yours and Phos thoughts after trying it. I would assume that the geo would be very in line with the intention of the 130/140 setup but just moving it to a 140/150 instead. As of right now, I'm leaning towards going that route and then adding a 1 degree angleset to slack it out to 65.5 closer to the BE edition HTA of 66.

    Secondary, has anyone decided to build the bike up with a 44 fork offset instead of the 51 that it's specd with? Seems like a pretty easy candidate for it, being so similar to the geo of other bikes that have been coming out and including the shorter offset.

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    Yeah well it'll be a while, my brushed XL frameset was delayed until feb 22nd

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    Don't hold on me, i'm taking my sweet time on this build. The 55mm shock is backordered from Fox until late FEB, and i'm also planning on waiting for the 1x12 XTR. A 150mm fork will slack the bike out beyond the stated 66.5 in the geo chart. I already got a grip2 160mm 36 that I plan to lower to 150, but it's tempting to just try it at 160.. I don't really have any comment on the fork offset, I trust Commencal's decision to stick with the 51mm.

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    Well, had hopes of building the bike on MLK day (wife's working and kids are at daycare), but since it hasn't shipped yet, doubt it'll happen.

    I'm building from frame up, spec will be almost identical to the BE just XT drivetrain with an e*13 cassette, I'm also a bigger ride so going with a XT 8020 on the front for additional stopping power. Also going with a '18 Fox 36 Factory so its Fit4 and not Grip2 (I personally don't need as much tuneability) but still 150 travel. Fork I went with was 51, most articles/videos I have seen say to stick with the offset the manufacturer "recommends", 44 should work also. I'm curious if anyone is going 44 over 51.

    *Just got the email from Clay, delivery delayed again

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    @PhoS right but bumping up the shock to 140 along with a 150 fork will then steepen it out again to the original geo of 66.5 right? The 130/150 BE will be at 66 deg whereas the normal version of 130/140 would be at 66.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kudikidd29 View Post
    @PhoS right but bumping up the shock to 140 along with a 150 fork will then steepen it out again to the original geo of 66.5 right? The 130/150 BE will be at 66 deg whereas the normal version of 130/140 would be at 66.5.
    No the shock is still the same overall length, just with a longer stroke. It won't change anything except how far the wheel compresses. As mentioned before the 66.5deg number in the chart is based on a 130mm fork. The BE edition is likely already around 65.5 out of the box.

    Quote Originally Posted by FutureUnknown View Post

    *Just got the email from Clay, delivery delayed again
    Just saw that new delay email, this is clearly Trump's fault. I ordered on dec 6th

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    No the shock is still the same overall length, just with a longer stroke. It won't change anything except how far the wheel compresses. As mentioned before the 66.5deg number in the chart is based on a 130mm fork. The BE edition is likely already around 65.5 out of the box.

    Thanks for that dropping of knowledge and saving me from some headache

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    As mentioned before the 66.5deg number in the chart is based on a 130mm fork. The BE edition is likely already around 65.5 out of the box.
    Commencal need to hire a technical writer or two. The spec sheets and geo charts are a mess. I ordered the wrong size when upgrading to a carbon bar based on their spec sheet for the B.E. They did correct it pretty quickly after I let them know though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    Just saw that new delay email, this is clearly Trump's fault. I ordered on dec 6th
    what country are you in? I'm in Canada and delivery was delayed till end of Feb some time ago. Worried it'll get pushed again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhengen View Post
    what country are you in? I'm in Canada and delivery was delayed till end of Feb some time ago. Worried it'll get pushed again.
    Washington, I would imagine your frame would be coming from the Squamish Commencal facility. USA seems to be shipping from Denver now. When I bought my 15 AM it was picked up in Los Angeles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    Washington, I would imagine your frame would be coming from the Squamish Commencal facility. USA seems to be shipping from Denver now. When I bought my 15 AM it was picked up in Los Angeles.
    Anyone know why they moved from SoCal to Colorado? They not want the walk-in traffic because of YT and Canyon being neighbors? Sure they wouldn't have this "rail issue" if they were still in SoCal... I could have done "pick-up".
    RANT OVER

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    Anyone know why they moved from SoCal to Colorado? They not want the walk-in traffic because of YT and Canyon being neighbors? Sure they wouldn't have this "rail issue" if they were still in SoCal... I could have done "pick-up".
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    Smile Final B.E. Build

    Alright, so for those inclined to geek over bike builds, here's where I landed with my Meta:

    First, I swapped out the stock crankset for a set of 170mm descendant carbon cranks, as I was getting some pedal strikes with the 175mm cranks. I may have been running too much sag (or not compensating for the cold air temp), but my ground clearance has definitely improved and I saved a few grams in the end, which always helps.

    2019 Meta TR British Edition 29-img-1204.jpg
    Also pictured: Kona Wah Wah II Alloy pedals, Specialized zee cage, Oneup EDC pump, Syncros fender.


    I've ridden Renthal Fat Bars before and have always found them to be a bit harsh. Of course, the color of those bars is a big part of the aesthetics of this bike, so I stayed with Renthal and grabbed some carbon Fat Bars to dampen and lighten things up. I do think I lost some of the look of this bike with this swap, but the carbon Fat Bars really do feel great.

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    Cleaned up the cables with some heat shrink wrap because it's winter and I'm bored to death. Fancy Fox top cap, also due to extreme boredom.


    I learned long ago that it pays to have a backup dropper post, so I benched the KS lev for a 170mm Oneup dropper.
    2019 Meta TR British Edition 29-img-1206.jpg


    This post is really pretty amazing. It took a bit of work to find maximum insertion without putting too much pressure on the cable. In the end I had to shim it down to ~167mm of travel (my mind is still blown that you can do this). It's got a way lower stack height than the Lev and it's really noticeable on the trail. The return is a nice speed and the whole thing just feels super solid--I can't really say enough good things about it. Decided to pair it with the PNW loam lever because orange.

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    This lever really is incredibly machined. Really nice action too.


    Some more minor details: DMR Deathgrips, because I come from BMX and a flanged grip just feels right, and a Wolf Tooth sram/shimano adapter thing cleans up the bars a little more.

    2019 Meta TR British Edition 29-img-1211.jpg


    Now for the big one: I wanted to find something lighter than the 2090g E Thirteen TRS wheels that come on the Meta and keep those as a backup set.

    I started by looking at dt swiss aluminum options, but I eventually realized that carbon makes a ton of sense now that so many manufacturers are offering lifetime warranties. I almost went with We Are One Agent wheels, but the configuration I chose just ended up being outside my budget. Ultimately, I circled back to E Thirteen with the TRSr SL wheels. These hit the right price point and the new warranty program is just killer. They feel super light and snappy, and paired with a rock razor in the rear, they should spin up super quick. Too bad we just got 6" of fresh snow .

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    Not pictured (bc it's inside the tire): Huck Norris insert. Note the Vittoria Airliner in the background. I'm not sure which I'll end up running, as I don't want to spoil the weight savings that come with these wheels. Going to try the Huck Norris for now.


    I think that's everything. I'm not going to weigh it but it feels noticeably lighter than when I started. Honestly, I never expected to have a bike with this level spec on it. I did sell three bikes to get to this final build, but cheers to Commencal for providing such killer value.

    I've only managed about a dozen cold, shakedown, suspension-fiddling rides so far (the 36 basically requires a PhD to get right), but I've already had some laughing-out-of-a-corner moments and I can tell it's going to be a total ripper.
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    Sweet! You added some nice touches there. Those e13s look like one of the best bangs for the buck, and that PNW lever is sick. Surprised you weren't able to slam the 170mm post? How tall are you? Not going to weigh it? I'll gladly take a couple extra ounces for added durability. My AM survived 4 hard seasons so far without a hiccup, I expect the same of this one. Building a new bike every season is flat out wasteful. Download an angle finder app and let us know what the head angle is with the 150mm?

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    Looks killer! Hopefully I'll be pulling the trigger on mine within the next few weeks (assuming deliveries don't keep getting pushed out).

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    Wow @jabber127 !! Looks so good!! I ended up not having enough funds yet to get the Meta TR BE but I did pull the trigger and hit the new Meta AM HT Race! Stoked to get the new hardtail with 29 x 2.5 tires! I rode the older 2015 Meta AM HT for a few years and loved it. Hoping to build a TR later this year though! My bike should be here Monday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    Surprised you weren't able to slam the 170mm post? How tall are you?
    The Oneup post is actually a good amount longer than the KS lev, mostly due to the length of the actuator. The photo in my post shows the absolute lowest i could go without putting too much pressure on the cable routing. I'm 5'11" with a 31" inseam.
    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    Building a new bike every season is flat out wasteful.
    This is an accurate statement and an underrated issue in this industry. We need to support companies who make products that last.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subyguy View Post
    Wow @jabber127 !! Looks so good!! I ended up not having enough funds yet to get the Meta TR BE but I did pull the trigger and hit the new Meta AM HT Race! Stoked to get the new hardtail with 29 x 2.5 tires!
    Nothing like a hardtail with some burly tires. That should be a great bike.
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    Sick build! You're keeping the stoke alive! Canadian website updated to show February 12 for delivery date, so that's exciting.

    Still lots of snow on the ground and skiing to keep me busy for now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhengen View Post
    Sick build! You're keeping the stoke alive!
    +1! Thanks for the write-up and great photos.

    I'm 5'10, would it be wise to size up to Large seeing as I'm bang on between sizes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bataleon View Post
    +1! Thanks for the write-up and great photos.

    I'm 5'10, would it be wise to size up to Large seeing as I'm bang on between sizes?
    Thanks! I'm 5'11" and feel super comfortable on the large. Depends on your preference I guess. Going with a medium would give you a more traditional reach, but this is my first bike over 460mm of reach and I'm really stoked on how roomy it feels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    Not going to weigh it? I'll gladly take a couple extra ounces for added durability.
    Alright alright. Here's without the Oneup pump/tool and water bottle:
    2019 Meta TR British Edition 29-meta-wieght-2.jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by PhoS View Post
    Download an angle finder app and let us know what the head angle is with the 150mm?
    I'd say it's somewhere between 65.5 and 66. I got a bunch of different readings from the app I used, but nothing steeper than 66 and nothing slacker than 65.4.
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    Have you let all the air out of the rear shock and cycled the suspension? I'm curious as to how much clearance there is with the 50mm stroke shock. With some uncertainty about the specs I'm hoping that there won't be any issues with a 55mm stroke shock. I'd really like to have the additional travel for some added plushness (is that a word...?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by msedly View Post
    Have you let all the air out of the rear shock and cycled the suspension? I'm curious as to how much clearance there is with the 50mm stroke shock. With some uncertainty about the specs I'm hoping that there won't be any issues with a 55mm stroke shock. I'd really like to have the additional travel for some added plushness (is that a word...?).
    I'd say you're fine. The only place you might run into trouble is the mudflap, but I'm sure than can be trimmed. Here's what it looks like with the shock fully compressed:

    2019 Meta TR British Edition 29-img-1216.jpg

    There's plenty of room everywhere else:

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabber127 View Post
    Alright alright. Here's without the Oneup pump/tool and water bottle:


    I'd say it's somewhere between 65.5 and 66. I got a bunch of different readings from the app I used, but nothing steeper than 66 and nothing slacker than 65.4.
    Nice, thanks for those. Looking to be pretty much what I expected.

    edit: Clearance looks to be a non-issue too!

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    Awesome. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabber127 View Post
    Thanks! I'm 5'11" and feel super comfortable on the large. Depends on your preference I guess. Going with a medium would give you a more traditional reach, but this is my first bike over 460mm of reach and I'm really stoked on how roomy it feels.
    Thanks. I've only got my hardtail reach numbers to go off. I'd imagine that the actual reach numbers on a FS bike are smaller than quoted, as quoted reach is measured static but when the suspension is sagged - ie when a person is sitting on the bike, the reach would get a bit smaller?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bataleon View Post
    Thanks. I've only got my hardtail reach numbers to go off. I'd imagine that the actual reach numbers on a FS bike are smaller than quoted, as quoted reach is measured unsagged, but when the suspension is sagged - ie when a person is sitting on the bike, the reach would get a bit smaller? I wonder roughly how many mm less the numbers get...
    Incorrect. You're thinking too hard.

    Reach is a static measurement of the distance between the bb and headtube. Has absolutely nothing to do with sagged vs unsagged measurements. In fact, I can't think of any geo measurements besides bb height that change appreciably with sag. Top tube, wheelbase, head angle, chainstay length...all the same regardless of whether it's sitting on your garage or railing down a trail with you on it.



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    Yeah, I need to cool off. I always thought that reach was the horizontal measurement from the headtube to where it intersects the vertical measurement coming up from the BB.

    Being between sizes I should probably get a size large and run a shorter stem if needed. Done and dusted.
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    I ended up canceling my order. Sent Commencal CS (euro) email and pretty quickly received a phone call from them sincerely apologizing for the delay and confirming they'll return my money ASAP. That was a nice touch and while they didn't get my business this time, they sure would at a later time if my needs and their supply match. Little things like that set the good guys apart.

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    I have the medium, I'm 5 10 and a half with 31 inseam. I probably gone with the large but happy with medium, better for feathering weight above the front wheel on descents and when climbing over rock.

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    well shit, i didn't even know any were out in the wild yet. such a cool looking bike. this model has really grabbed my attention with it's looks and it's geometry. i've got an original Smuggler with a 150 Lyrik and it's awesome. this new Com is a bit bigger with a tad more travel and steeper STA.
    i look forward to them arriving in Squish so i can go over and check them out in person and hopefully demo. it will have to be even more comfortable and climb even better than the Smug to convince me to sell that bike, and it just might.

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    and the frame only option with a high end shock option, this is exactly what i'm looking for. nevermind the carbon bollocks for some stupid price and a half assed shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinnley View Post
    I have the medium, I'm 5 10 and a half with 31 inseam. I probably gone with the large but happy with medium, better for feathering weight above the front wheel on descents and when climbing over rock.
    Thanks mate. The medium frame would be lighter which is nice, and the reach is fine too. Hell, my large Stache only has a reach of 436mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bataleon View Post
    Thanks mate. The medium frame would be lighter which is nice, and the reach is fine too. Hell, my large Stache only has a reach of 436mm.
    Yep, I think you mentioned about the large with a shorter stem as a possibility, the stem it comes with is already damn short.

    I ordered in October and took delivery early January, the rear wheel was loose and turned out the rear axle thread was stripped. They sent me a new hanger (which incorporates the axle bolt) and had me order a replacement axle from elsewhere and refunded me for the cost of the axle. It is good they sent the hanger/bolt as it was cross threaded, possibly what caused the stripped axle, unless an air tool took both out at once during assembly.

    Oddly the only other person I know with a Commencal, a work colleague, had his show up with a damaged thread on the bottom bracket, but that was a model from a couple of years back. It was his recommendation that directed me to Commencal in the first place. He was shocked that I had also received a bike with an issue.

    Bike rides great though, obviously its not a light bike, but hopefully it will stand up to what I plan to put it through. My previous ride, a Specialized Camber, was shaking to bits after 3 seasons, I blew the fork seals from my shenanigans, the rear bushings were dying and I was eating chains. Hopefully this ride can handle the rough stuff. The rear end and forks certainly have some beef to them.

    As others have said, it wants to go fast downhill (maybe the weight helps). Hard to judge on climbing yet, I'm still getting used to the one-by gearing. There's nothing I hate about it, no plans to change any components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabber127 View Post
    The Oneup post is actually a good amount longer than the KS lev, mostly due to the length of the actuator. The photo in my post shows the absolute lowest i could go without putting too much pressure on the cable routing. I'm 5'11" with a 31" inseam.
    I've been eyeing the OneUp dropper with my frame order too. I probably have a fractionally longer inseam than you do. If you don't mind, what's your center of BB spindle to top of saddle measurement? Trying to see if I can get away with not shimming it.

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    Hi new to the site and thought I'd post a review I found on the Commencal Meta TR 29 2019 from Outdoor Gear.

    https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/revie...eta-tr-29-2019

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJClarke View Post
    Hi new to the site and thought I'd post a review I found on the Commencal Meta TR 29 2019 from Outdoor Gear.
    Thanks for that. I've been watching for reviews. I like the Outdoor Gearlab ones as they seem not to hold back in critiquing a bikes weaknesses. Seems to me the biggest thing they keep bringing up is the weight.

    Curious to know how others rationalize the weight of this bike. For me, being a tall guy (6'3") and weighing around 200lbs, I've never felt like an extra 5lbs on the frame was a big deal to me as I always have the opportunity to shed weight from myself to make it up. I get it if you're 150lbs, then the extra weight makes a bigger difference. To me, it's just not that important. I guess I should be glad that there are bikes available to me with these tradeoffs.

    The Canyon bikes are definitely interesting but not available in Canada yet, otherwise I might be on one of those.

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