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    Time for comments - South Rampart Travel Management Plan Draft

    Draft EA for the South Rampart Travel Management Plan


    File Code: 1950/7730/2350/2330

    Date: September 1, 2011



    Dear Interested Party:



    The Pikes Peak Ranger District is pleased to release the Draft Environmental Assessment (EA) for the South Rampart Travel Management Plan. We are now soliciting formal written comments on the three Draft Alternatives. This 30 day-comment period will end on Monday October 17, 2011.

    The Draft EA can be found on the internet at www.southrampart.net. Comments may be e-mailed to [email protected]. Written comments should be mailed to: AECOM, Attn: South Rampart Draft EA, 240 E. Mountain Ave., Fort Collins, CO 80524.



    Printed copies of the document and CD versions of the Draft EA are available at the Pikes Peak Ranger District located at 601 South Weber Street in Colorado Springs. If you would like a copy mailed to you please contact our office at 719-636-1602.



    This process began in early 2009 and included several public meetings. The Preferred Alternative B was defined and presented for comments in March of 2010. The Preferred Alternative B that is presented in the Draft EA has not changed substantially from what was originally scoped. Two changes include a longer seasonal opening for Forest Road 346, Hotel Gulch in the Manitou Experimental Forest and a new location for the proposed trailhead in the Rainbow Falls Area. The proposed Queens Canyon hiking trail was moved from Alternative B to Alternative C, due to potential impacts to wildlife. Alternative A remains as No Action and Alternative C has this one modification.



    We encourage everyone to go to our dedicated web page at South Rampart Travel Management Plan - Home. In addition to the Draft EA, this site details the history of the project and public process to date. Maps for each Draft Alternative are also represented. We have also included complete Specialistís Reports that were summarized in the Draft EA. If you do not have access to the internet and would like copies of this information mailed to you please contact our office.



    I would like to thank you for your time and involvement in this exciting project. The Draft EA is your final opportunity for comment. A Final Environmental Assessment and Decision is schedule to be completed by February 2012. The Final EA will include responses to the comments submitted during this formal 30-day comment period. Based on comments, the final decision(s) may vary from the Preferred Alternative B.



    For additional information, please contact Frank M. Landis, Supervisory Outdoor Recreation Planner, by E-Mail at [email protected] or by phone at 719-477-4203.



    Sincerely,



    /s/ Brent Botts

    BRENT BOTTS

    District Ranger

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    That's 232 pages of stuff to read Jim!

    Can you please provide a summary of what the recommendation is and any items we should be concerned with?

    Thx,
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    Yeah, I haven't had a chance to digest it yet - I'll post my take on it once I have. Just wanted to get it out there to give others a chance to look at it in case they are bored!

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    Quote Originally Posted by manitoumtbr View Post
    Yeah, I haven't had a chance to digest it yet - I'll post my take on it once I have. Just wanted to get it out there to give others a chance to look at it in case they are bored!
    Always great reading FS documents.

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    Late to reply to this - out of town a bit, and out of time to get my thoughts together. There is 1 trail in here the USFS closed about 10 years ago due to damage from motorized users. It is a SWEET, grassy singletrack called Deadmans on your Pikes Peak Atlas that flows through the aspen trees above the AFA - connecting to Stanley Canyon Trail (707), Stanley Rim trail, and Rampart Res trail systems. They are proposing to open it to OHV - so 4-wheelers and motorcycles.

    Absolute crime if they did. Major wildlife corridor where the come up out of the North AFA - and resident. We've seen bears, Elk, Deer, etc in here. Nothing against motorcycles - I ride a DRZ400 up there, as well as bikes, horses, and hiking. But I am against wrecking a pretty quiet, fragile, wetland, non-motorized corridor for no good reason. I am going to suggest they open up a connection from 311 to 307A, and probably should even suggest they open up trail 775 to connect 307a over to 319 - since the motorcycles are already in there pretty thick poaching that trail. I also think they should connect 311 to 318 (see the map - there was a road there 20 years ago, and shows up on the old Pikes Peak Atlas).

    Maps are here - scroll over to above the AFA. I'll guide people up there weekend mornings - takes about 4 hours of riding to leave Monument, go Up Mt herman, South on 318/319/Trail 775/to Shubarth, then down Stanley Rim, the below Stanley Res, then North on 707 and finally North on Deadmans. You drop down Hell Creek into the AfA. Nice ride!

    Here are the map links:

    To read about this, and to send your comments, go to the South Rampart Travel Management Plan website: South Rampart Travel Management Plan - Home. Consider printing out your comments and sending to the postal address as well.

    Alternatives - March 2010, and bring up the Alternative B - Preferred Alternative, Study Area Map:
    http://southrampart.net/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/100310_S_Rampart_Alt_B.67161727.pdf


    Thanks - post up if you can so we can count the comments going into the USFS.

    Thanks!

    Jon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnordby View Post
    It is a SWEET, grassy singletrack called Deadmans on your Pikes Peak Atlas that flows through the aspen trees above the AFA - connecting to Stanley Canyon Trail (707), Stanley Rim trail, and Rampart Res trail systems. They are proposing to open it to OHV - so 4-wheelers and motorcycles.

    Absolute crime if they did.
    Picture this exact trail, but all torn up.
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    Unfortunately we're too late to ask for it but I would like to see a cnxn from 715 down to 707 and then down to Blodgett. We(bikers/hikers/eq) really need a shorter loop to bypass the AFA.

    I don't support C.

    The B alternative doesn't really give MTB's enough IMHO, but I do like some of the OHV additions. Lots of roads opened up to licensed vehicles in B. Not too thrilled about that (more target shooting).

    The non-action A alternative would work for me also. I'm probably leaning that way.

    Take a look at this chart/map of comparisons.
    http://southrampart.net/yahoo_site_a...t.67162750.pdf

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    I do like the motorized additions that B has, with the Deadman's exception.

    As for the connection, we need to add comments in to get 311 to 318 connected again, like it used to be mapped on the older Pikes Peak Atlas maps. I don't care if it is motorized or not, just having the connection would be a perfect AFA bypass and connect 715 to 707. As it is, you have to head west a few miles to use 318 off Mt Herman, Trail 775, (say hi to the Log Skidder), Shubarth, and Stanley Rim to connect into Blodgett. Honest ride.

    Jon.

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    Nice photo Loudpawlz - that says it loud and clear.

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    Will be sad if this area is opened up. Can't believe they would open more when they can't even manage what is already opened. Just seems like there would be even more gun ranges that will make it more unsafe.

    If comments are made to [email protected], may be good to include the article from this forum posting:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/colorado-fron...nf-718144.html

    In here it states that USFS already doesn't have the resources, so opening more seems like a further stretch.

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    Bump

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    What happened last night at the red rocks gig??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waafoo View Post
    What happened last night at the red rocks gig??
    http://forums.mtbr.com/colorado-fron...ml#post8515721

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    One other trail change I noticed between B & C...

    I'll mention the stuff that you guys brought up.

    One other thing that I noticed is that the new non-motorized trail that the FS suggested that loops off of Rampart Road at the bottom of the area covered is in Alternative C, but not in B. I'd like to see that trail recognized regardless of what the final plan looks like. That provides a nice loop opportunity down there.
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    bump

    bump for a Monday deadline...

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    Done. Thanks for the reminder. And I reminded about 20 other folks. Please take a look at the preferred plan B, especially the proposed OHV1 trail off East Shubarth (above the AFA). I dirt bike over there as well as ride mtb's - some trails don't belong motorized, that one is one that should be left alone.

    Thanks Folks, easy to send comments, either email [email protected] or comment online here: South Rampart Travel Management Plan - Contact Us

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    Today is the deadline - if you haven't sent in comments and intend to, you have today to do it.

    A friend had a very good way of putting his comments into words on OHV1 (Deadman's). That trail is used by non-motorized traffic from the front range at West Monument Creek, Stanley Canyon, and Baptist Road. It is a non-moto connector from Stanley Rim and Rampart Res as well.

    Opening it up to motorized buys them nothing since they already have to ride up Rampart or Mt Herman Roads, or trailer anything unlicensed all the way up to Shubarth anyway - there is no motorized access on the front side to that area. Plenty of other options up there make way more sense - closer to Rampart, and closer to where they'd park the trailer.

    An aside, 4 motos on 775 North of Shubarth this weekend. My friend said they were cordial, respectful of the terrain, and were not roosting anything up. However, climbing up to 307a, they went straight up the hill for those that know the area - next to the 1' deep/300 yard ruts that are there from the previous users. In their current plan, that is supposed to be non-motorized, there are signs/barriers on both sides, but has been ignored and not enforced for years. USFS and all of us really needs to accommodate the moto's/atv's, but in a designed and somewhat enforceable fashion. I was up there last weekend on my DR400, and talked to some ATV folks about it. Families out enjoying the fall - and they just want longer, better loops up there - not specifically looking to open in specific areas.

    Thanks for all the input - even if we disagree - all sides need to be represented in this and need to attend the planning meetings.

    Jon.

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    I just sent mine in. I hit the points that you guys brought up, as well as including the Queen's Canyon Trail that is in C, but not B. That trail exists and is alot of fun - just needs some deadfall clearing. It's on the Pikes Peak Atlas as well.

    I haven't tried the Deadman's Creek Trail - I'll have to get up there and check it out. Definitely looks like one to protect from OHV use.

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