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    OT: Reloing to CO - Need to select a new car

    Hello all,

    I've been in Colorado for over a year for work, but I'm now pulling the trigger and moving to CO.

    I've decided my 1994 Toyota 4x4 would likely not do very well going through inspection here in CO so I need a replacement. While I'm narrowing down to a 4Runner, I'm finding all these Subaru's around pretty interesting.

    I need something I can throw a bike on, throw skis on and have room inside to keep all my stuff dry and warm.

    What say you?

    Thx

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    What's the problem with the Toyota?

    The right answer is almost ALWAYS keep the car you have.

    Other than that, the Subaru Outback is a good choice.

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    my awd audi a4 fits the bill for everything you mentioned, plus it's comfortable at cruising speeds for longer distances and handles the weather great.

    mine is getting old now but i'm likely going to replace it with a new a3 next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 187
    Hello all,

    I've been in Colorado for over a year for work, but I'm now pulling the trigger and moving to CO.

    I've decided my 1994 Toyota 4x4 would likely not do very well going through inspection here in CO so I need a replacement. While I'm narrowing down to a 4Runner, I'm finding all these Subaru's around pretty interesting.

    I need something I can throw a bike on, throw skis on and have room inside to keep all my stuff dry and warm.

    What say you?

    Thx
    You can get an exception if the inspection problem cannot be fixed. I'm assuming you think it will not pass emissions.

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    Gas prices are so cheap. Get a friggen gas guzzler. Get a huge loan too. The economy needs it.

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    Thx for the responses. The truck just passed MD emissions and was nowhere near the limits. It has been sitting for nearly two years and is pretty rough (came from ohio and then subjected to east coast humidity since 2000). It will need new tires, parking brake doesn't work (quoted at $1200 by Toyota dealer to replace), new brakes, etc. I'm guessing it needs $2500 to get it back in shape. The wife has a camry but were worried about traveling to the mountains. The truck doesn't do well in 2WD in the rain or snow.

    lidarman - i just got a huge loan to buy a townhouse in Boulder. I've helped about as much as I can, at least until I can sell my house back east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 187
    Thx for the responses. The truck just passed MD emissions and was nowhere near the limits. It has been sitting for nearly two years and is pretty rough (came from ohio and then subjected to east coast humidity since 2000). It will need new tires, parking brake doesn't work (quoted at $1200 by Toyota dealer to replace), new brakes, etc. I'm guessing it needs $2500 to get it back in shape. The wife has a camry but were worried about traveling to the mountains. The truck doesn't do well in 2WD in the rain or snow.
    Welcome fellow Leastcoaster!

    When I brought by 2001 Bravada here, the only thing they checked was emissions. My tires were bald. In fact, they still are (wires sticking out). I don't drive it anymore though. It's in the garage until I finish saving up to refurb it. It's not like east coast inspections. In NJ they would get you for a paint chip. You'll be fine with your truck, but do get new tires.

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    We don't have full inspections here- they only test emissions. If you can pass emissions, you're golden. You've probably seen all of the Subarus and Toyotas here- it really depends on if you need to haul or tow stuff (well, a Subaru can tow stuff, but not very well...).

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    Cheaper to get a set of GOOD snow tires for the Camry.
    Never had any problems going to the ski hills with Blizzaks on my front wheel driver.

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    Thanks for the help. I'm just going to ship it and see what happens. If I could get another year out if it that would be great.

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    Subaru is the adoptive state bird for non natives...You should get one....Canada Goose is called a Colorado Pigeon. Don't forget a I ski loveland bumper sticker as well.The worst part about moving here though is that you have to pick a side....To shuttle apex or not. 6th generation native out........

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    I'm going to shuttle Apex just for giggles.

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    If you drive the Subaru then the sticker should say I TELE Loveland!

    1 vote for keeping the truck- 98' two wheel drive tacoma
    1 vote 4runner -97' 4runner

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    Great local Auto Shops

    Keep your truck - there are great local shops here that can get it up to snuff for a reasonable price. (We use Pellman's.) Besides, when it's too tired, just put on the exo-skeleton and turn it into a rock crawler.

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    Go Subie.
    Look around. They're everywhere. A nice, solid AWD wagon with a decent set of tires will get you everywhere you need to go.
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    I'll trade you my car for your truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    What's the problem with the Toyota?
    Maybe upgrade to a newer Toyota? I hear those new 200 series Landcruisers are sweet...

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    I have a 1989 Cherokee with nearly 260,000 miles and it passes emissions inspection just fine every year. Unless there is something wrong with the engine your Toyota should be fine.
    The stealership wants $1200 dollars to fix the parking brake? Bwaaahaaahaaa, it sounds like you are being volunteered to make up for slow car sales. Parking brakes are very simple, take it to an independent shop and get it fixed for a fraction of that amount.

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    Hitch is the way to go. 2in receiver is tits. You can have 4 bikes back there. Cars suck in that department. 4x4 Toyota is a great vehicle for this area, especially if you like to go into the back country. Fixing a car you have is typically much cheaper than paying the difference for a new one. And you shouldn't fix anything at the dealership, unless it is a warranty item.

    Front wheel drive with snow tires is all you need, when you stay on the roads.

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    Wouldn't it cost a grand to have it shipped out here? Probably not worth it.

    Get something newer and safer. If it has a 22R 4 cyl. motor, they get over worked trying to push trucks up the hills at high altitude, and don't last long or get good gas mileage doing so.

    Subarus are good (I have a '06 Impreza), but they come with terrible tires that should be thrown away immediately, check tire rack for ratings. Also, the paint is fairly low quality and the body is very easy to dent. AWD and good handling is the upside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_
    Front wheel drive with snow tires is all you need, when you stay on the roads.
    If anyone is looking for a decent set of winter tires; I just bought four studded Hankook Ipikes and they are not the suck. They're pretty cheap at Peerless Tyre.

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    187 - With regards to winter driving, dedicated snow tires on a rwd or fwd will get you safely to and from the mountains and around town in the winter. You might not need the enhanced traction day in and day out, but when the roads are crap you'll be happy to have them.

    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    If it has a 22R 4 cyl. motor, they get over worked trying to push trucks up the hills at high altitude, and don't last long or get good gas mileage doing so.
    The 210,000 miles on mine with irregular oil changes and a couple of alternators says you are talking out your butt

    I've tried killing it by ignoring it so I would be forced to by a newer vehicle, but it just won't die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loudpawlz

    The 210,000 miles on mine with irregular oil changes and a couple of alternators says you are talking out your butt

    I've tried killing it by ignoring it so I would be forced to by a newer vehicle, but it just won't die.
    Yeah, I guess owning a welding and auto shop in the mountains for 4 years has given me no perspective on the issue.

    Isn't the internet funny, you never know who you're talking to. Maybe you should keep that in mind in the future.

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    Well, the camry will do just fine. We've been running my wife's honda accord up and down the mountains for 3 years with no problems. Anything over 10 inches and I take my truck, but it's usually not needed.

    That all being said, we're about to buy a Ford Fusion AWD. It gets amazing reviews, and used, they're dirt cheap. Like crazy cheap. It'll help America too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    Yeah, I guess owning a welding and auto shop in the mountains for 4 years has given me no perspective on the issue.

    Isn't the internet funny, you never know who you're talking to. Maybe you should keep that in mind in the future.
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    I'm running my 2wd XTerra into the ground if possible. 171k miles, new tires and it's doing fine. Gas mileage sucks though.

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    I sold my 2002 Pathfinder to get a Subaru. The Pathy had better clearance but mileage sucked and the Subaru does well enough in the snow/ice. I'd vote for a Subaru unless you like Volvos. Then I'd vote for the Cross Country- that is one roomy wagon. If you don't mind dipping below 20 mpg, the 4Runner or FJ Cruiser would be a great choices and better offroad than the Subaru where proper clearance is needed. Plus you can put real AT tires on them.

    The nice thing is that you can get a brand new Subaru for around $20K. The FJ is close but the others are around $30K new. All hold resale quite well.

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    Thanks for all of the great responses. I don't have to pay to ship it (part of the relocation package) so after learning there is only an emissions inspection I'm just going to bring it out and see what happens. I don't see the engine dying anytime soon its just ugly. And it makes a good shuttle truck; no need to worry about scratches from knee pads and armor.

    Thx again!

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    I have a friend who drives regularly from Co Springs to Summit County during ski season in a Camry with >200K miles on it. He's never been stuck, even during the year of epic snow we got last year.
    Put snow tires on the Camry and you're good, just drive smart. You don't NEED AWD or 4WD to get around Colorado.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 187
    And it makes a good shuttle truck; no need to worry about scratches from knee pads and armor.

    Thx again!
    Sounds like a worthy reason to keep it around

    I'd throw some chains into the Camry's trunk, especially if it doesn't have traction control or a limited slip. There's a BIG difference between 1wd and 2wd on fwd cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loudpawlz
    Ooops, Sorry. Didn't mean come in here and knock the mop out of your hand. I'll keep your resume in mind next time.
    Yeah, it did suck to make $50k a year working 20 hours a week with almost no overhead.

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    I say keep it, the insurance and minor upkeep on it is probably worth having it around even if you get another ride. I regret getting rid of my old Cherokee when we got our wagon a couple of years ago. AWD wagon is where it's at if you can do it, stereotypes be damned

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    Good choice on keeping it. I brought my rust bucket cherokee out in 06 and it just stopped detereorating after that. Still have a small hole in my wheel well but it hasn't gotten any bigger. Paint went south on it though after so many sunny days out here though. The green turned into a brazed purple look. Still planning to keep it though for two more years. Nothing like not having a car payment. It's a shame the east coast is so hard on vehicles though.

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    Yeah FWD is adequate with snow tires for driving in the snow but it is no where near the same traction as having AWD or 4WD. If fact, it doesn't even come close. I drive all types regularly. I have a 4wd Toyota truck, a AWD CR-V, drive a Ford FWD minivan with snow tires for work and a 4WD Suburban and a Chevy 2500 4wd for work. I live in the mountains. Driving on I-70 sure FWD works. But try climbing short steep little hills into traffic or actually have to push through snow banks and other more challenging roads. The FWD is sketchy.
    Based on my experience, I would never purposely buy a FWD car for winter mountain travel.

    My 92' Toyota 4x4 pickup is a beast in the snow. Bar none!

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    I have a 2004 2wd Tacoma PreRunner. It works fine in Denver area and I regularlly drive 93 from Golden to Boulder when it's icey. Just go easy on the gas and you'll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtbRN
    You don't NEED AWD or 4WD to get around Colorado.
    But you will need chains for some mountain passes if you don't have 4WD.

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    I live in the mountains and own a Subaru with snow tires. If I lived on the Front Range I'd own a Mazda 3 hatchback with snow tires. FWD saves fuel and weight and does well enough with good tires.

    P.S. For long highway trips (you'll do a lot of them to go biking and skiing all over the Rockies) I've always wanted a used Corvette. They get great fuel economy at 80+ mph and are a hatchback so skis or a bike with the wheels off fit in there. With our 75mph zones you really don't want a roof rack. MPG takes a nose dive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    But you will need chains for some mountain passes if you don't have 4WD.
    Unlikely in Colorado. They'll close the pass before they REQUIRE chains on private vehicles (cars, pickups, SUVs). I've heard rumors of it happening once or twice, but it's so rare that IMO can be ignored... at least from a "what car to buy" standpoint.

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    I was considering some snow tires on my Subaru but they wear out so quickly on dry pavement that I'm not sure if it is worth the expense....unless I kept them mounted on wheels and used the air compressor and gun to switch out a few times. Hmm....am I that motivated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    I was considering some snow tires on my Subaru but they wear out so quickly on dry pavement that I'm not sure if it is worth the expense....unless I kept them mounted on wheels and used the air compressor and gun to switch out a few times. Hmm....am I that motivated...
    I do that with my minivan.

    To be honest it has always seemed to be overkill on our Subaru.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    Yeah, I guess owning a welding and auto shop in the mountains for 4 years has given me no perspective on the issue.

    Isn't the internet funny, you never know who you're talking to. Maybe you should keep that in mind in the future.
    Oh yeah, you hiring, I am sick or working for front range shops, and would love to gtfo of Boulder...

    That aside, OP, if you would like help getting your truck up to snuff.. pm me, no way in hell would it cost your orig. estimate for me to do it in my garage at home... Hell I even have a commercial account at checker's for any parts you may need..

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    I will go to my grave with my Subaru. I know they are state issued but there is a good reason why you see thousands of them every ten miles. Which also means there is a huge selection of used cars. You could probably get an ealry 2000 with less than 100,000 miles for around $10k. And they come standard with heated seats, heat mirrors, power driver seat, power windows blah blah blah. Hands down the best car for the money.
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    For snow and ice a lower center of gravity is always nice. audi A4 avant or subaru would be my choice.

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    I heart my A4 quattro sedan 1.8t, I just need to get the ecu reflashed now that I am pushing 10 pounds of boost... (excessive boost charge code FTL)

    (I kind of wish I had gotten the avant, but oh well)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    For snow and ice a lower center of gravity is always nice. audi A4 avant or subaru would be my choice.
    As much as I liked my Audi, I wouldn't recommend an Audi/VW vehicle unless you've got an iron will when it comes to either fixing $hit yourself or paying obscene amounts of money to get annoying $hit fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    As much as I liked my Audi, I wouldn't recommend an Audi/VW vehicle unless you've got an iron will when it comes to either fixing $hit yourself or paying obscene amounts of money to get annoying $hit fixed.
    Yeah I do all of my own work and have proper scan tools to do the job (the lovely VAG), so no worries here...

    They tend to hose Audi owners where I work, actually they tend to hose anyone they can get in the door... (But it's Boulder so I guess they can afford it?)

    Which is why I tend to put ads on craigslist to help people out, but most would rather "trust" the places they get hosed at frequently, than trust a private mechanic with 10 years in the biz...

    Meh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by meat-market
    Yeah I do all of my own work and have proper scan tools to do the job (the lovely VAG), so no worries here...
    Yeah... being a professional mechanic might make an Audi/VW vehicle a decent choice.

    For the rest of the world I'd strongly urge them to consider the Subaru.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Yeah... being a professional mechanic might make an Audi/VW vehicle a decent choice.

    For the rest of the world I'd strongly urge them to consider the Subaru.
    Yeah I love working on Subaru's, they are easy as pie to work on!!!!

    Your avg. person with half a brain and even less mechanical skill could work on a Subaru..
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    I have an Accord w/ really good snows and it kicks ass in the snow-- I carry a shovel and should have chains in the car just in case but. . . I think it does 10 x better then my 4-runner until it gets deep-- I haven't been stuck yet skiing the past 2 years. Unless your going up some really steep stuff or very rural or dirt roads, I think FWD works fine. I lived in summit for 7 years and had friends who's wives had fwd cars for daily drivers and were fine-- I think were a bunch of sissys now w/ awd and suv's -- I mean its nice but really it isn't needed except for 1% of the time-- the 99% of the time you could be getting sweet gas mileage

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    that said I have a FWD VW golf with snow tires and a 4WD tacoma. The golf works fine most of the time and the tacoma comes out on the worst days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meat-market
    Yeah I love working on Subaru's, they are easy as pie to work on!!!!

    Your avg. person with half a brain and even less mechanical skill could work on a Subaru..
    And, unlike the Audi, it would be only an occasional thing.

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    There's good reason you see so many Subaru's in the mountains. They're relatively inexpensive to buy and operate. They're reliable, they have great traction and handle well in snow, they get half way decent gas mileage, and there is an extensive service network in CO.

    Not that there aren't other great snow cars out there, or that you can't survive without AWD or 4WD, but the Subi combination is pretty hard to beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    I was considering some snow tires on my Subaru but they wear out so quickly on dry pavement that I'm not sure if it is worth the expense....unless I kept them mounted on wheels and used the air compressor and gun to switch out a few times. Hmm....am I that motivated...
    Yes, they are worth it.

    They wear out fast if you drive on them in the summer, as they are made from a softer rubber compound designed to grip in cold winter temps. Switch back to summer or all season tires in the spring and the snow tires last for quite awhile. We're only talking about swapping wheels or tires twice a year, it's no big deal.

    I drive a Subaru and have two sets of wheels, one with all-season tires and one set with snow tires. I'm on pace for getting at least two seasons of hard driving over quite a few miles with my snow tires. And, I do a lot of sliding around on purpose

    I've owned a FWD car w/ and w/o snow tires and a Subaru w/ and w/o snow tires, doing a lot of winter driving on all four set ups. My thoughts are this: AWD/4WD doesn't help you stop or turn, but snow tires sure do. Overall, I'd rather have snow tires than AWD/4WD for winter, but having both is nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa
    <snip> My thoughts are this: AWD/4WD doesn't help you stop or turn,
    AWD absolutely helps you turn. At least when compared to FWD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmrider
    I have an Accord w/ really good snows and it kicks ass in the snow-- I carry a shovel and should have chains in the car just in case but. . . I think it does 10 x better then my 4-runner until it gets deep-- I haven't been stuck yet skiing the past 2 years. Unless your going up some really steep stuff or very rural or dirt roads, I think FWD works fine. I lived in summit for 7 years and had friends who's wives had fwd cars for daily drivers and were fine-- I think were a bunch of sissys now w/ awd and suv's -- I mean its nice but really it isn't needed except for 1% of the time-- the 99% of the time you could be getting sweet gas mileage
    Good thing there is no rural roads or steep roads here in CO!
    Try getting out of my driveway with FWD on a snowy day. As far as an Accord being 10x better in the snow than a 4WD 4-Runner well that's a load of crap. Unless you are driving with bald tires, Toyota 4WD trucks are snow driving beasts.
    I don't think anyone here who actually has driven an 4WD or AWD vehicle with good tires would ever go back to a FWD vehicle if they had the choice. AWD doesn't hurt gas mileage much. The difference on a 09' CRV is 1 mpg.

    It boils down to this. Sure you can go downhilling on a XC/AM bike. And you probably will survive the day if you are a good rider. But anyone in their right mind would be much safer and happier on a full blown DH rig. Most people I know that have FWD vehicles have them because they had them when they moved out here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    AWD absolutely helps you turn. At least when compared to FWD.
    Read some papers by Maurice Olley, he is considered the father of vehicle dynamics.

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    Have you looked at the Honda Elements? They are a little quirky looking, but they rock. Easy to keep clean, huge interior space (I put a washer and dryer in mine with the seats all the way back), AWD (so far unstoppable in snow with snow tires), cheap to buy, ok gas mileage, and the motor is one of the best honda has ever made (K24 block). So far consumer reports is rating it very high for reliability. You can get it in manual. I view it as one of the best utilitarian vehicles out there. Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa
    Read some papers by Maurice Olley, he is considered the father of vehicle dynamics.
    I don't need to read someone's paper cause I know for a fact that when my front end starts pushing (think conservation of angular momentum) in a tight turn on my 4WD truck that a little gas will keep the front end turning because the front wheels are pulling the front end around. It won't happen if you are not on the gas though. This is really most noticeable with a RWD 4WD vehicle though cause the majority of force is coming from the back axle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa
    Read some papers by Maurice Olley, he is considered the father of vehicle dynamics.
    I don't really care to. AWD absolutely helps you turn...

    If your Olley character disputes this then he's never driven up Berthoud Pass when it's slippery as $hit.

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    I've had many Subaru's. The latest was a 2004 Outback. I've also had a 95 4runner and
    now have a Tacoma. A Subaru is not nearly the car a Toyota is. I put over 200k on my 4runner and never needed to do anything to it. My Outback started to be problematic after 80k. Colorado is hard driving lots of elevation change. The newer Outback are more powerful. They need a turbo on that 4 cylinder They're heavy cars. They do handle marginally better in the snow the my 4runner and obviously better then a pickup. But who really needs to drive like a dick on I70 in the snow One thing that always bothered me about Subaru is that their doors are not full framed. There is a lot of glass and combined that with two sunroofs it's no wonder mine sounds like a pop-o-matic every time I hit a bump. Plus the windows whistle like crazy without the framing. After going back to a Tacoma, I am a Toyota fan for life. Their
    initial valve and ability to hold it is untouchable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdh
    I've had many Subaru's. That latest was a 2004 Outback. I've also had a 95 4runner and
    now have a Tacoma. A Subaru is not nearly the car a Toyota is. I put over 200k on my 4runner and never needed to do anything to it. My Outback started to be problematic after 80k. Colorado is hard driving lots of elevation change. The newer Outback are more powerful. They need a turbo on that 4 cylinder
    I disagree - the 2.5 is PLENTY of motor for a Subaru. At least for my older one it is ('97). And ours had a few issues in the first 50K miles and has been basically trouble-free since then. That said, I *would* expect a Toyota to provide more trouble-free miles than a Urabus.

    One thing that always bothered me about Subaru is that their doors are not full framed.
    Yeah - that one is REALLY annoying. The other thing is 1st gear is geared WAY too high. They should still offer a xfer case in manual trans Subarus.

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    Really? I feel that first gear is too low (all the gears are too low) in my 2004 STi. It's good for creaping over rocks but winds out too quickly and forces you to change to 2nd a momont after you let the clutch out in 1st. Maybe this is less pronounced on a sub 380hp Suby I'm looking into swapping the final drive gearing for mellower high speed cruising.

    As for the frameless doors, I love those! When the window is down you can step in and out around the door without dodging the window frame with your head. The design also makes the doors very light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt
    Really? I feel that first gear is too low (all the gears are too low) in my 2004 STi. It's good for creaping over rocks but winds out too quickly and forces you to change to 2nd a momont after you let the clutch out in 1st. Maybe this is less pronounced on a sub 380hp Suby
    Maybe they fixed it. On my '97 I had to keep the revs up to get up the approach road on Mt Sherman... which meant I was going way too fast to properly "crawl" over the rocks that I would have like to crawl over. I haven't driven any Subaru newer, so who knows...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt
    Really? I feel that first gear is too low (all the gears are too low) in my 2004 STi. It's good for creaping over rocks but winds out too quickly and forces you to change to 2nd a momont after you let the clutch out in 1st. Maybe this is less pronounced on a sub 380hp Suby I'm looking into swapping the final drive gearing for mellower high speed cruising.

    As for the frameless doors, I love those! When the window is down you can step in and out around the door without dodging the window frame with your head. The design also makes the doors very light.
    Fun car, a friend has one (and has actually let me drive it a few times)... wish I could afford one myself.

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    The new ones are soooo pricey, $35,000+. I paid $28,300 after tax in 2004! It'll be paid off in 3 months!
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    honda element, tons of room, rack options, hitch options, seats fold up or come out, good gas and priced well. Got mine a bit over a year ago, havent looked back since and unless the wife gives the go ahead for a Sprinter, then I'll keep this one till the wheels fall off.

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    I'll 2nd the outrageous upkeep on Audi's. Pricing starts at $200 to get anything fixed. Meat - do you do private work near Boulder? I'm going on 2 years with the check engine light on in my 2000 A4 1.8T since I got sick of Spending $250 a pop to replace some hose or valve on the turbo every 2 months.

    Quote Originally Posted by meat-market
    Yeah I do all of my own work and have proper scan tools to do the job (the lovely VAG), so no worries here...

    They tend to hose Audi owners where I work, actually they tend to hose anyone they can get in the door... (But it's Boulder so I guess they can afford it?)

    Which is why I tend to put ads on craigslist to help people out, but most would rather "trust" the places they get hosed at frequently, than trust a private mechanic with 10 years in the biz...

    Meh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt
    Really? I feel that first gear is too low (all the gears are too low) in my 2004 STi. It's good for creaping over rocks but winds out too quickly and forces you to change to 2nd a momont after you let the clutch out in 1st. Maybe this is less pronounced on a sub 380hp Suby I'm looking into swapping the final drive gearing for mellower high speed cruising.

    As for the frameless doors, I love those! When the window is down you can step in and out around the door without dodging the window frame with your head. The design also makes the doors very light.
    380hp? What mods? You got a dyno sheet?

    I'm with you on the short gearing, that's why I run taller winter tires on my wrx wagon.

    On tires: if your car is worth anything at all, there is no good reason not to run snow tires. Good ones should last 3-4 years, easily, and they probably cost less than your insurance deductible...

    Newer Outbacks (90-94's) got heavier, so I think the 2.5 is a little underpowered in my wife's '01, especially with it loaded down. But then I'm also used to my car, which weighs 400lb less and makes 180 more horses...
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    Mods? Too many to list. Tuned and Dynoed at Superupair. Stock: 300 engine hp, 254 wheel hp. After with 18.5psi, 326 wheel hp, so engine is about 380. I run taller than stock tires but I'm at the limit of what the wheel wells can fit. Before summer I'm gonna try to get Superupair to install taller front and rear diff gearsets.

    Oh, it's an '04 STi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser
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    On tires: if your car is worth anything at all, there is no good reason not to run snow tires. Good ones should last 3-4 years, easily, and they probably cost less than your insurance deductible...
    Don't be overly-dramatic.

    There are plenty of legitimate reasons not to run snow tires...

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    To you Audi owners who say your cars are expensive, have you guys never heard of a VAG-COM and manual labor? I had a 2000 A4 1.8T, a VAG-COM, and a good selection of metric tools and my ownership was a very positive experience. It probably wouldn't have been without the VAG-COM though. Forget the silly OBD-II code readers, a VAG-COM gives you precise codes that actually point to the sensor that is reading a failure, not a generic system failure code. Plus, the fan base for VAGs is huge. Just do a search for your code at AudiWorld.com, then go pick up your parts.

    So when you guys say that you're tired of paying $250 for a hose, it's because you're paying $15 for a hose and $235 for someone to plug a computer into your car (with $250 worth of VAG-COM software) and then spend 30 minutes replacing a hose; the same thing you could have done at home in your boxers.

    Of all the cars I've owned, I'd much rather do diagnostics on an Audi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    Plus, the fan base for VAGs is huge.
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