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    Moving to CO, need advice on good location

    I am looking into taking a job in Fort Collins, Boulder, or possibly Denver. I enjoy Freeride/North Shore type riding. Nothing crazy, skinnys, drops etc. I've been riding mostly Western WA and BC lately. I am hoping to be close enough to a decent bike park (anything close to Whistler in CO??) within an hour or 2 drive.

    Of those three cities, which would you chose to live in, considering all factors?

    Thanks for the advice!
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    For me, the short answer would be Fort Collins. Realize that housing prices are higher in Boulder than Fort Collins or most parts of Denver. As far as bike parks, Winter Park and Keystone are good, although nothing really compares top Whistler!

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    If you want the best riding out your door - Fort Collins would be my#1, Golden #1 in the Denver Metro. Fort Collins prices are almost 1/2 that of Golden I bet though right now.

    Denver/Boulder area is an hour closer to the Summit County trails if you'll be driving to the freeride park trails or if you like to ski a lot. Fort Collins really doesn't have any big hit type of stuff, but if you want to put less than 2,000 miles on a vehicle a year then Fort Collins is the place. Everything Denver has you might possibly need in town is less than a 3 mile drive (unless you like to shop at Nordstroms- the one shop my wife misses) unless you live outside of town.
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    Boulder = college kids
    Denver = big city
    Golden = small town next to big city-but doesn't feel like a suburb
    Fort Collins = not sure, my only friends up there are in college

    You really can't go wrong. Resorts...Keystone, Vail, Winter Park, Sol Vista. All less than 2 hours.

    And for everyone else, how many of these threads do you think we'll get this year? I believe its been 4 in two weeks already.
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    Maybe if people used the search function and people stopped answering the same questions in every thread there'd be less of them. Since there's really not a whole bunch of action it doesn't clutter the forum that bad and they're easy to ignore.

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    Brush has some KILLER freeride & Northshore type riding.

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    Why not move to Vancouver? Why come here?

    Fort collins doesn't offer the Freeride / DH scene as much as the I-70 corridor would.

    Please search through the forum and inquire about the same question... Its been asked a million times already.

    Golden is where I park, but it is pricey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by concretejungle
    Maybe if people used the search function and people stopped answering the same questions in every thread there'd be less of them.
    Yeah, but I respond out of boredom. And I hope it gets side tracked into an entertaining discussion. Lately we've been ripping on Texans, how about people from the East Coast?
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    Perhaps we should make a sticky: Moving to colorado, here's your answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    Perhaps we should make a sticky: Moving to colorado, here's your answer.
    How about "Don't move here, its full of Texans".

    This Texan at my work, who picked up snowboarding when she moved here last year, jumped into a conversation about a weekend trip to Jackson Hole, and she started telling us about how cold her forehead got the previous weekend. We both kinda laughed, she didn't get it. A Texan who butted her way into a conversation telling us about the gap in between her hat and goggles You can't make this sh!t up!

    Really though, the sticky is a great idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    Perhaps we should make a sticky: Moving to colorado, here's your answer.
    Only if it makes it clear that we're full and there is a strict one in one out policy. Two out one in for Texans and Californians.

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    What the @### is it with Front Range colorado? Jeezuz people, move somewhere the biking is better! I'd live in Grand Junction if I could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought
    I am looking into taking a job in Fort Collins, Boulder, or possibly Denver. I enjoy Freeride/North Shore type riding. Nothing crazy, skinnys, drops etc. I've been riding mostly Western WA and BC lately. I am hoping to be close enough to a decent bike park (anything close to Whistler in CO??) within an hour or 2 drive.

    Of those three cities, which would you chose to live in, considering all factors?

    Thanks for the advice!
    Seriously, stay where you're at. You'll be dissappointed at how the anal's of the biking world do magical work on 'anti DH / FR'. Its sad really, but the XCer's seem to rule the nest around here, along with government and landowners that fear lawsuits.

    We have a few bike parks, Keystone, Winter Park, Sol Vista that are fun.... but NOTHING like Wistler what so ever.

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    Hold on...IE is talking people out of moving here?


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    Golden sucks. Don't move here.

    I'm paving the way Athalliah, I think I owe you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    Golden sucks. Don't move here.

    I'm paving the way Athalliah, I think I owe you.
    Yeah, go to Phoenix.

    Fact of life folks. Everyone is going to have to get used to this state growing. I don't know if anyone caught the news last night, but Charles Schwab is adding 500 tech jobs to the Metro area with a $75,000 average salary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    75K buck chuck.

    not to be mstaken for chuck n' buck

    Yes, but that is the median. So there'e 248 positions that pay more, I guess. I was never that good in statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers
    I was never that good in statistics.
    Stats is easy. Pick the number you want to represent your findings and manipulate the data until reflects the desired result.

    ps...average is your mean, not the median.

    median= number in the middle, eg: 1,2,3,4,5; the number in the middle is 3.

    mean (or average) = 1+2+3+4+5=15/ total number of values (5) = 3

    Okay, bad example, as the median=mean

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    Yeah, I saw the other posts. Job openings are quite specific, hence why I listed the 3 places (rather Boulder than Denver). Hence, different and much more specific than the other posts.

    About the flames, it doesn't bother me.

    "Why not move to Van": I am thinking about Vancouver as well, but it would require me to change several things in my job, not the least of which is licensing in another country. Its so damn wet all the time here, moss grows like a carpet on the sidewalks and the sides of buildings. A friend said he counted 100 days straight without blue sky...Plus, I would have to start playing hockey, and likely lose a few teeth. Thats not so good for picking up chicks, though who knows maybe in Canada a toothless grin is sexy?

    Oh, and I agree F^%$ the Texans!
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    Quote Originally Posted by concretejungle
    Only if it makes it clear that we're full and there is a strict one in one out policy. Two out one in for Texans and Californians.

    Don't mind them they just don't understand Us TEXANS . I had someone come in to my store the other day from Palm Springs CA and man she was a joke and had no clue. They just moved here a week ago and they cant find alot of winter clothes in the mall.I was like DUH the stores are starting to get spring stuff. ( I was saying in my head your to dumb to understand and need to go the F back to CA. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by athalliah
    Stats is easy. Pick the number you want to represent your findings and manipulate the data until reflects the desired result.

    ps...average is your mean, not the median.

    median= number in the middle, eg: 1,2,3,4,5; the number in the middle is 3.

    mean (or average) = 1+2+3+4+5=15/ total number of values (5) = 3

    Okay, bad example, as the median=mean



    When I used to work for the NJ Dept of Ed, they would give us a list of numbers and tell us find the mean, median, max, etc. I would just write a SAS procedure and it would do it.

    .proc mean 12,34, 233, 23, 22, 233;

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    Quote Originally Posted by concretejungle
    Only if it makes it clear that we're full and there is a strict one in one out policy. Two out one in for Texans and Californians.

    DONE! OK, this is gonna live at the top for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow
    DONE! OK, this is gonna live at the top for a while.

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    FR is XC

    You've really got to go to the ski areas dude, and now its ski?board time, not FR/DH time. The front range is an XC type place. Its called the Front Range, not the North Shore.

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    Get over it.

    Quote Originally Posted by concretejungle
    Maybe if people used the search function and people stopped answering the same questions in every thread there'd be less of them. Since there's really not a whole bunch of action it doesn't clutter the forum that bad and they're easy to ignore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klein_Christopher
    Don't mind them they just don't understand Us TEXANS . I had someone come in to my store the other day from Palm Springs CA and man she was a joke and had no clue. They just moved here a week ago and they cant find alot of winter clothes in the mall.I was like DUH the stores are starting to get spring stuff. ( I was saying in my head your to dumb to understand and need to go the F back to CA. )

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    My wife works part time at REI and she gets people all the time who come here for vacation and try to buy what they need for a trip in the mountains right there.

    Going on a ski vacation in the Rockies and you're buying a coat, pants, hat, etc the day before?

    To keep this worthy of the sticky...if you're moving from the south make sure to buy winter clothes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    To keep this worthy of the sticky...if you're moving from the south make sure to buy winter clothes!
    I've lived in this general area of the country my whole life so I might be talking out my a$$ but to be fair, I'm assuming its hard to find places that sell ski gear in most warm places

    (Although it did blow my mind seeing a ski shop sign off the 101 just south of San Fran)

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    There's always a couple of shops in really big towns. I picked up a $600 board in Dallas in July for $225! A closeout from the year before. They sold all high end stuff. Most people don't want to fly or drive out and spend a day getting boots fitted and whatnot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitek79
    There's always a couple of shops in really big towns. I picked up a $600 board in Dallas in July for $225! A closeout from the year before. They sold all high end stuff. Most people don't want to fly or drive out and spend a day getting boots fitted and whatnot.
    Crazy, good to know.

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    1st choice, Golden (Denver). Fastest access to high country riding (nothing like Whistler). Best access to Front Range trails and all the amenities you might want in a metro area.

    2nd choice, Ft. Collins. College town, great beer, good bike scene. Kind of far away from the I-70 corridor.

    Dead last, Boulder. This is an attractive choice on the surface (new crop of college girls every fall), but if you look a little closer, it's a city full of d-bag's. Aging hippies, psudo eco freaks and socialist elites. They claim to be the "epicenter of biking in the US", but that only applies to roadies. There's no quality trails in Boulder. You have to drive to Lyons, Golden, Nederland or beyond to find a decent trail. On top of that, the Boulder valley is smoggier than both Denver and Ft. Collins. Stay away from this town!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    My wife works part time at REI and she gets people all the time who come here for vacation and try to buy what they need for a trip in the mountains right there.

    Going on a ski vacation in the Rockies and you're buying a coat, pants, hat, etc the day before?

    To keep this worthy of the sticky...if you're moving from the south make sure to buy winter clothes!
    What REI? I used to work at the one in Boulder.

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    Move to Moab Utah !?!

    I know it's a stretch but - since you are asking for advice on where to move & ride - and since advice comes from experience - I suggest you stuff your job ideas into the blender and consider a complete change .... for instance, I have a home in Moab - which has been a B & B for ten years - on some Oh-so-beautiful- property ... which is for sale ..... ! It is very special, with a rare, pure, artesian spring and giant shade trees (just to mention a giant house w/ swimming pool).

    I have been there twenty-five years so, .... I need a change ! Moab Is quiet, no traff*ck, low crime, pure air, and every opportunity for a creative thinker; how about a school of cycling!

    Check it out .... <www.pioneerspring.com/video.html>

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    aw hell, I KNOW I'm going to get shredded for posting my place as a suggestion for where to live ....

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    What's are some differences between Fort Collins and Loveland? I have business interests in western Nebraska that I may need to relocate to be closer to, but I don't want to live there.

    The northern end of the I25 corridor would work for me, and I've already seen the recommendations for Fort Collins, but is there anywhere else of note in the vicinity?

    It can be pretty rural, and I don't need any DH trails. Just easy access to dirt miles.

    BTW, I've already looked at the I80 corridor (Laramie, Cheyenne) driving back and forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itswitz
    aw hell, I KNOW I'm going to get shredded for posting my place as a suggestion for where to live ....
    Never! Not in this forum. They don't want any immigration to their precious state anyway, even if it means a doc to take care of their little kids, lol!

    I have thought about Moab. Funny you suggest that, since I will be there for the first time (on a bike) next week. Reasons not to move to Moab...higher education. I pretty much want to be near a major University, might get a second doctorate someday.

    And don't worry about the thread hijack, as the OP, I hereby grant you immunity from any and all flames
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    Oh hell, y'all be shocked if you see me (knowing what I am just about to say) but I spent many a college weekend in Oklahoma listening to A Thousand Miles from Nowhere, among others. Not sure what that has to do with this thread (maybe the Texas reference)but anyway, I think I'll be moving to the Ken Caryl Valley. That is another really nice area to live in.

    I have been looking for a while and I think if you want to be close to riding yet not too far out, Golden, Morrison, Ken Caryl, and Lakewood, are the only places to be. If all goes well, I'll be out of Highlands Ranch before long. Here's to a sweet 2009 riding season!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought
    a major University, might get a second doctorate someday.
    So that's the bait question, what would you're first doctorate be in? Me, I'm more of a physics guy, mechanical engineering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.welby
    What's are some differences between Fort Collins and Loveland? I have business interests in western Nebraska that I may need to relocate to be closer to, but I don't want to live there.

    The northern end of the I25 corridor would work for me, and I've already seen the recommendations for Fort Collins, but is there anywhere else of note in the vicinity?

    It can be pretty rural, and I don't need any DH trails. Just easy access to dirt miles.

    BTW, I've already looked at the I80 corridor (Laramie, Cheyenne) driving back and forth.

    Loveland:
    Smaller town, geographically and population wise. Real estate prices are a bit less. Big art community.

    Fort Collins: Bigger. College town. Hi tech employers. Higher housing costs.

    Riding is good from both, but riding from your door is easier when you live on the west side of either town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgltrak

    Loveland:
    Smaller town, geographically and population wise. Real estate prices are a bit less. Big art community.

    Fort Collins: Bigger. College town. Hi tech employers. Higher housing costs.

    Riding is good from both, but riding from your door is easier when you live on the west side of either town.
    I'd agree with Loveland and would add Bellvue or LaPorte. Both are on the north side of Fort Collins and have easy access to the great trails up the Poudre Canyon or Red Feather Lakes. They are also an hour's drive from Laramie, WY with Happy Jack, Vedauwoo, and that whole area. Winter Park is great for downhill but a drive is a drive is a drive.... It isn't Whistler.

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    what about aurora? i know it's on the "wrong" side of denver. nice area or is it like any other town that has it's nice parts and it's not so nice parts? seems to be more affordable, but not too much of a fan of it being 25+ miles away from the FR.
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    I like Arvada...64 miles from Winter Park I would say Golden, Arvada, and Western Lakewood. They all put you in good posistion for some good riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wankel7
    I like Arvada...64 miles from Winter Park I would say Golden, Arvada, and Western Lakewood. They all put you in good posistion for some good riding.
    Add SW Littleton and Roxborough to that mix. Great riding near.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    what about aurora? i know it's on the "wrong" side of denver. nice area or is it like any other town that has it's nice parts and it's not so nice parts? seems to be more affordable, but not too much of a fan of it being 25+ miles away from the FR.
    I wouldn't recommend it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    what about aurora? i know it's on the "wrong" side of denver. nice area or is it like any other town that has it's nice parts and it's not so nice parts? seems to be more affordable, but not too much of a fan of it being 25+ miles away from the FR.
    Besides 90% of all murders on the news happening in Aurora...

    You also have to drive through or around downtown to get to the foothills, which would be a major pain in the buttocks for after work rides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Add SW Littleton and Roxborough to that mix. Great riding near.
    Good point on those locations...

    And the SE corner of 470/285 is a good spot.

    Any of the areas we mentioned are great. As long as you are a mile or so within 70,76, or 6. You can get on the highway and be riding in no time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    Besides 90% of all murders on the news happening in Aurora...

    You also have to drive through or around downtown to get to the foothills, which would be a major pain in the buttocks for after work rides.
    enough said! thanks!
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    I live at the SE corner of 470/285 and love it. Very close to some good trails, and snowboarding is really close as well. Traffic is minimal compared to further east.

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    I almost ended up down there...some good values on homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitek79
    I live at the SE corner of 470/285 and love it. Very close to some good trails, and snowboarding is really close as well. Traffic is minimal compared to further east.
    I'm near 285 and Sheridan, still in the city of Denver. Its really easy to hop on 285 to 470 and get to the foothills. I can be at anything from Deer Creek to Evergreen to Apex in less than 30 minutes.
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    You are gonna give up something depending on where you live:

    For ability to straight up go for a ride whenever you want:
    1. Colorado Springs
    2. Golden
    3. Fort Collins
    4. Denver

    For finding a mate/stuff to do:
    1. Denver - People and variety of stuff to do. Trails are further away.
    2. Fort Collins - Seems to be a pretty good scene. (Music and otherwise)
    3. Boulder - Yes, hot people. A lack of anything else to do.
    4. Colorado Springs - A severe lack of babes.

    I live in Denver and therefore don't get to ride as much as my friends in Golden and Colorado Springs. But, I do get to do fun stuff that isn't MTN riding more often than they do. Let us know what you decide.
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    Dead last, Boulder. Stay away from this town!
    Yes, do not move to Boulder.

    Unless you're female, single, 30+, and hot.

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    So what about Grand Junction?

    I really enjoyed my time in Moab. Granted, I wasnt there when the average temp was crazy. I see the average temp in July for GJ is 96 degrees. That's pretty toasty. It's a bit of a small town (though its the largest on the West front), anything else to do besides Hike/bike/ski? Not that anyone needs more than that, hehe.
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    Serious answer re Boulder. It doesn't have much great riding from town, Golden or Ft. Collins are definitely better, but it has a lot of other stuff going for it. If you like to take the pooch for a hike, it blows doors off the other places. It is one of the most bike friendly towns around, with a huge network of bike paths and bike lanes; I can bike 3 miles to work on my cruiser with 95% of the ride on paths, and crossing 4 streets total (2 in the first quarter mile and 2 in the last quarter mile). Awesome road riding if you're into that kind of thing (I'm not). Some excellent restaurants.

    Definitely has a higher concentration of entitled yuppies, weird eco-new age freaks, and college students, but it's not that hard to ignore them.

    If having the best mt biking from your door is the single and only consideration, it is dead last of the choices given. But there's a reason property is more expensive here (ie there are very good reasons to live here).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandbagger
    <snip> But there's a reason property is more expensive here
    Yes - it's mainly due to growth restrictions implemented by the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Yes - it's mainly due to growth restrictions implemented by the city.
    Why am I not surprised that you would say this?

    But if you think that growth restrictions are the reason for high property values, you're really lacking some fundamental understanding of property values. I'm not saying growth restrictions haven't contributed to the high values, but they're hardly the primary reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandbagger
    Why am I not surprised that you would say this?

    But if you think that growth restrictions are the reason for high property values, you're really lacking some fundamental understanding of property values. I'm not saying growth restrictions haven't contributed to the high values, but they're hardly the primary reason.
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    Golden based on your criteria. Colorado is not BC but it does have a decent freeride/dirt jump community. To figure it out make friends with the guys at Mojo's, The Fix, and Green Mt. Sports. Lots of obvious, not so obvious, and double-top-secret freeride stuff in CO.

    From Golden you are 15 minutes from several trail heads and 1 -1.5 hours from Keystone, Winter Park, and Sol Vista for lift access. Grand Junction/Fruita is 4 hours away and has some great freeride action. 20 minutes to Devner, 30 minutes to Boulder, 1 hour to Colorado Springs, 1.5 hours to Pueblo, 1.5 hours to Fort Collins (x2 during rush hour), 5 hours to Angel Fire, 6 hours to Moab, 8 hours to SLC, 11 hours to Boulder City, NV, .....

    Lakewood, Arvada, or Littleton would be good compromise between Denver and Golden.

    Denver would only add another 20 minutes to your travel time heading west. Lots to do in Denver.

    Nothing against C. Springs and Ft. Collins but it does add 1.5-3 hours if you are traveling to the mountains or the western slope to get your freeride on.

    Boulder = 20 square miles surrounded by reality!

    Grand Junction is nice but small, blue collar, and pretty far from the big city - not much night life.

    Aurora is not the ghetto but it is to far from the action. If Aurora was in Chicago, Detroit, or Cleveland it would be called a suburb. The crack/meth neighborhoods North of Denver, 6th & Federal, and East Colfax are a different story.

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    Boulder = trust- a -farian's
    Denver= look to the right you're in Nebraska, look to the left and you can see colorado in the horizon

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    Why do they all keep telling us that Texas used to be it's own country???

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    Rockin1234 that was a pretty inane post, sounds like a self hating Texan wrote it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockin1234
    Why do they all keep telling us that Texas used to be it's own country???

    Not sure why. Not sure why they mention seceding from the union either.

    Especially since they get federal moneys for hurricanes and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    Not sure why. Not sure why they mention succeeding from the union either.


    Seceding from the union was unsuccessful.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rockin1234
    Boulder = trust- a -farian's
    Denver= look to the right you're in Nebraska, look to the left and you can see colorado in the horizon

    Texans
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    -You know why you can't get a good BJ in texas??? all the c*cksuckers are here(colorado)
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    Why do they all keep telling us that Texas used to be it's own country???

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    Dude, were you drunk when posted this?

    I enjoyed my time in Dallas. Really good mountain biking...well no mountains but fast, fun, single track in the trees.

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    background of the post is having to work the service industry in a mountain town where texans vacation, that's where the love comes from....

    and i apologize.....thanks to the people who sent me messages reminding me of my favorite:

    Jeans = Texas Gore-Tex



    In Breck, we even have texas appreciation day - we call it gaper day(youtube it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockin1234
    Jeans = Texas Gore-Tex
    That's a good one, haven't heard it before!

    I suppose if you live up there and work for a resort you could get jaded, that's what I meant by your post. I have 2 friends who have CDLs up there and they laugh at Texans but aren't that angry.

    I searched "Texas tuck skis" and found this...http://www.skinet.com/action/2009-04...deos-uniformed

    Its a whole page of this type of crap.
    You have just been mentally Rick Roll'd. Yup you're thinking about it right now aren't you? Don't fight it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    I searched "Texas tuck skis" and found this...http://www.skinet.com/action/2009-04...deos-uniformed

    Its a whole page of this type of crap.
    As someone who recently moved from the midwest I thank you for the link. Very funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockin1234
    background of the post is having to work the service industry in a mountain town where texans vacation, that's where the love comes from....

    and i apologize.....thanks to the people who sent me messages reminding me of my favorite:

    Jeans = Texas Gore-Tex



    In Breck, we even have texas appreciation day - we call it gaper day(youtube it)

    What's even funny is that he is not even a Colorado native What a Joke..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klein_Christopher
    What's even funny is that he is not even a Colorado native What a Joke..
    Say what?!?

    You have to be a native to make fun of Texans?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Say what?!?

    You have to be a native to make fun of Texans?

    Ummmmm YES , ALL i hear here is the natives talk crap about People from TX and CA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klein_Christopher
    Ummmmm YES , ALL i hear here is the natives talk crap about People from TX and CA.
    Ta hell with that! I'm not native and I shall CONTINUE to make fun of Texans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Ta hell with that! I'm not native and I shall CONTINUE to make fun of Texans.
    2nd that, like CO natives are the ONLY PEOPLE EVER to notice skiing in jeans with Starter jackets look lame.
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    hey, guys! how is westminster as a place to live? i know it's very close to denver- is it more of city living or suburban living? thanks!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    hey, guys! how is westminster as a place to live? i know it's very close to denver- is it more of city living or suburban living? thanks!!
    For the most part, Westminster is "older" suburbia. Not a terrible place, you'll get more house for the dollar, there are pockets of "questionable" neighborhoods, but just like any big suburban town, there's a big mix depending upon which side of the train tracks you settle on (literally).

    If you are looking to be close to the hills, it's not that close. Well, about as close as Denver since it lies slightly northeast of Denver central. I live in Golden and work in Westminster. It's a 20 minute (15 if I'm heavy on the gas) drive between the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    hey, guys! how is westminster as a place to live? i know it's very close to denver- is it more of city living or suburban living? thanks!!
    It's totally, absolutely, 100% suburban living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers
    For the most part, Westminster is "older" suburbia. Not a terrible place, you'll get more house for the dollar, there are pockets of "questionable" neighborhoods, but just like any big suburban town, there's a big mix depending upon which side of the train tracks you settle on (literally).

    If you are looking to be close to the hills, it's not that close. Well, about as close as Denver since it lies slightly northeast of Denver central. I live in Golden and work in Westminster. It's a 20 minute (15 if I'm heavy on the gas) drive between the two.
    i did notice my $ going a bit farther for a house in westminster. good to know it's not terribly far from golden. do you run into regular traffic? i'm heading to co on a trip in mid-may and part of it is looking through various cities, neighborhoods. thanks for your input!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    i did notice my $ going a bit farther for a house in westminster. good to know it's not terribly far from golden. do you run into regular traffic? i'm heading to co on a trip in mid-may and part of it is looking through various cities, neighborhoods. thanks for your input!
    If you're looking to stretch your $ AND be closer to the mountains check Lakewood (concentrate on the west side) and west/SW Littleton as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    If you're looking to stretch your $ AND be closer to the mountains check Lakewood (concentrate on the west side) and west/SW Littleton as well.
    very good to know. thanks, man! we're staying at a hampton inn in lakewood on our trip for a couple days so it will be nice to check that out.
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    You may want to check out Arvada. Westminster's sister. Closer to 70 and Golden than Westy. Plenty of options regarding price range of houses and locations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klein_Christopher
    Don't mind them they just don't understand Us TEXANS . I had someone come in to my store the other day from Palm Springs CA and man she was a joke and had no clue. They just moved here a week ago and they cant find alot of winter clothes in the mall.I was like DUH the stores are starting to get spring stuff. ( I was saying in my head your to dumb to understand and need to go the F back to CA. )
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    Ummmmm YES , ALL i hear here is the natives talk crap about People from TX and CA.

    you're well on your way to getting your native badge...
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    Definitely Check Lakewood, Golden, and West Littleton for riding and living. Lakewood probably has the best cost of living for the area, meaning it is less dicey than Arvada but costs less than West Littleton.

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    Golden Heights!!!

    Is the place to be for cheaper housing and sweet access. We are the southern edge of Golden city limits in more ways than one!!! I am on single track in about 3 minutes from my front door and can link up most of the eastern open space parks as well, with no driving. The houses are right around 200K and the views are sweet as well. Golden Heights, the place to be for cheap mountain/urban living!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Virgil
    Definitely Check Lakewood, Golden, and West Littleton for riding and living. Lakewood probably has the best cost of living for the area, meaning it is less dicey than Arvada but costs less than West Littleton.

    My .02
    How is Arvada dicey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klein_Christopher
    Ummmmm YES , ALL i hear here is the natives talk crap about People from TX and CA.


    And you probably talk crap the entire time your "native" self sits on I-70 waiting to actually get up the mountains.

    Denver vs Nebraska- not really sure what the difference is? Other than in Denver, if you look west, off in the distance you can see Colorado If you look east, it's the same view as in Nebraska

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    I wish I could muster 10% out of those bastards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mt.Biker E
    DOH! Didn't see the sticky.
    Been thinking Fort Colins/Loveland area.
    Good riding in that area? What type of riding?
    Or Golden area. Think i need to take a trip or 2.
    Ft Collins has plenty of XC as does Denver/Golden area. Golden is going to have much faster access to the mounts via I-70 though. So if you plan on camping/DH/summit county XC/ ski or boarding its going to save you an hour drive each way.
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    DOH! Didn't see the sticky.
    Been thinking Fort Colins/Loveland area.
    Good riding in that area? What type of riding?
    Or Golden area. Think i need to take a trip or 2.

    So the wifey wants a little bit warmer summers & winters compared. Any areas better than others.
    What are the temps like for the most part?
    Me i like colder rather than hotter but i'm irish & get sun sick easy, so thats why i like Loveland area.
    She likes the fricken dessert.
    Any places a compromise?
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    I'm in the same boat, moving from Idaho to Colorado. I've checked out Evergreen, looks insane with great trails and close enough to the city. Any opinions?

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    I love it here in Evergreen. Moved from Kansas City last year and the weather is definitely better. Winters are warmer, summers cooler.

    I moved from a subdivision to a mountain home, funny how I now live further away from people but get together with friends more often.

    Lots of trails close to the house. Also only 35 minutes from Buffalo Creek, 45 minutes from Kenosha Pass. Love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by rungmonkey
    I love it here in Evergreen. Moved from Kansas City last year and the weather is definitely better. Winters are warmer, summers cooler.

    I moved from a subdivision to a mountain home, funny how I now live further away from people but get together with friends more often.

    Lots of trails close to the house. Also only 35 minutes from Buffalo Creek, 45 minutes from Kenosha Pass. Love it
    Hey Joe!
    I was up in Evergreen yesterday for my son's baseball game, then took a family hike for Father's Day in your neck of the woods at Cub Creek. 1st time there, it was really nice.
    Driving back through some of the neighborhoods, it got me thinking - it is REALLY NICE up there!
    What's the commute time to downtown (I70 and Federal actually) from up around in there?
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    No idea. I work at home and travel to Alaska and the west coast.

    Are you going to make it to 3 Sisters on Thursday?

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    I am planning on being there.
    See you there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    I am planning on being there.
    See you there?
    I am planning on it.

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    Ex-Kansas City here as well. I really like Evergreen but the commute to DTC would be hellish. I have now been in the Ken Caryl valleyfor a few months and I could not have made a better decision. DTC is 30-40 mins away depending on traffic and of course, the riding from my front door never get old.

    There are no crowds, hills/mountains everywhere, and it is so peaceful here. Oh, and no trashy streets/neighborhoods in the area. If you have dogs and walk them every day, this place is great for that- miles of trails/paths and no traffic to dodge. I owe part of this to SkaredShtles- he once mentioned this area to me. I didn't think I could afford it but back in March/April, the fear factor was high and I scored a great deal. We would look everywhere, drive through here on the way home, and be hooked all over again.

    We primarily looked in Highlands Ranch, Centennial, Lakewood, west Littleton, and a bit of Golden. If I worked from home, I'd probably still live here...or in Evergreen. Evergreen is great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockin1234
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    Why do they all keep telling us that Texas used to be it's own country???

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    Sorry for jumping into this conversation late but this is something I've always been thinking about. So say I say "I don't care about my career anyway, F it." and move to Crested Butte or Steamboat Springs or something (note: I'm not from CA or TX), knowing that I'm going to be waiting tables or serving drinks or running lifts, how do you survive? With homes in resort areas costing millions of dollars, can you even live in a closet for less than $1000 per month? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorth2
    Sorry for jumping into this conversation late but this is something I've always been thinking about. So say I say "I don't care about my career anyway, F it." and move to Crested Butte or Steamboat Springs or something (note: I'm not from CA or TX), knowing that I'm going to be waiting tables or serving drinks or running lifts, how do you survive? With homes in resort areas costing millions of dollars, can you even live in a closet for less than $1000 per month? Thanks.
    Where there is a will, there is a way. My wife and I moved to Summit County the day after we were married and rented a 450sf studio over someone's garage for our first 2+ years of marriage. Moved there with no jobs and didn't know anyone. We found work pretty quickly and stuck to it. Stayed 7 years and by the time we left, we had a nearly new home on a mountainside with views (on which we doubled our money in the two years we owned it). A friend and his wife bought a small 1 bedroom condo with a loft, and rented out the loft to help pay the bills. They eventually built a home, lived in it a few years, and sold at a profit, too.

    I was looking last night at 1 bedroom condos (and a couple of really small 2 bedroom units) in Summit County for about $160k. By putting about 3.5% down at 6% interest on a 30 year note, your monthly outlay would be in the $1500 range for debt service, association dues, taxes, insurance and utilities. Get a roomate to pay half the bills, and $750/mo doesn't seem too bad for owning property in an appreciating area.

    A few tips:

    1. Live in nearby "bedroom communities" and commute. (Leadville, Kremmling, Georgetown for Keystone / Copper; Alma, Blue River for Breck; Gunnison for CB; Edwards for Vail; etc.)

    2. Get roomates

    3. Work multiple jobs (waiting tables, serving drinks and running lifts)

    4. Get used to smaller living spaces (a closet may be sufficient since you are not home much anyway, between playing outdoors and working a bunch)

    5. Don't buy new ski and bike equipment. Someone is always looking to sell their nearly new stuff cheap, for beer money or rent, because they would rather play than work.

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    Evergreen and Conifer are great places to live. If you work down in Denver, the commute really isn't bad...its worth it when you get home and there are 30 elk standing in your yard. Great access to incredible mountain biking and a lifetime of other outdoor rec opportunities. If Evergreen, hop on I 70 and your down to Denver in 20-30 mins (if traffic moves). If Conifer, take 285 straight down in the same time. These are the best options if your hitched...if single, stay down in town, find a girl, then move up to the foothills.

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    I'm starting to think that Clear Creek counties or Douglas County would be a FINE alternative to Jefferson County and their apparent lack of consideration for mountain biking.

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    hey, guys. hope all is well in co. what can you tell me about the littleton area? even though we aren't making the move for a couple years (as my wife finishes her masters and gets some teaching experience in IL), we're starting to look at various areas to at least get ideas.

    i see littleton is within 470 and then some neighborhoods south of 470- like south of chatfield state park. there seems to be newer houses down there and prices are more affordable compared to closer to denver- especially between denver and the FR. is that because its so far from the city? looks like it is still close to the FR, but not sure what's down in that area outdoors-wise. it seems a decent way from golden and that area, but not sure how important that is. i know it would be nice to get to 70 easily.

    i know a lot of this depends on where my wife gets a teaching gig- i'm hoping to trasfer out there and work virtually from home.

    we'll check it out more during our next trip out there, but just wanted to hear what you guys had to say.

    thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Littleton sucks.

    thanks, ss! does it suck a lot or a little?
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    West Littleton is great. I live near 470 and the Ken Caryl exit (so Ken Caryl Valley). The Chatfield area is decent as well but not as nice as far as trail access goes.

    The worst part about Littleton is that SkaredShtles lives here. We have been trying to spook him out of his house but he is as stubborn as a mule!

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    A pic of my area and the main street I live off. There are some pretty ghetto (mostly just run-down) areas situated near some really nice areas so do drive around before focusing on a house. Some well-located areas/streets were so run down that it was shocking, especially since the cost of housing was still high. Mostly, we ended up focusing on Lakewood, Littleton, and some Golden. I looked at the Roxborough area near Chatfield as well. That is nice but a bit too far in for me and I wanted to get further away from Highlands Ranch. Some streets in Lakewood were nice but too much was run-down looking. No covenants HOAs can sometimes do that to an affordable place in time.
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    thanks, ss! does it suck a lot or a little?
    It sucks more than a 40hp Hoover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    West Littleton is great. I live near 470 and the Ken Caryl exit (so Ken Caryl Valley). The Chatfield area is decent as well but not as nice as far as trail access goes.

    The worst part about Littleton is that SkaredShtles lives here. We have been trying to spook him out of his house but he is as stubborn as a mule!
    thanks, man! one more question. what are the demographics here (i.e. diversity, latin americans, asians, etc.)? my son is from guatemala and i don't want him to be the only minority in an area.

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    thanks, man! one more question. what are the demographics here (i.e. diversity, latin americans, asians, etc.)? my son is from guatemala and i don't want him to be the only minority in an area.

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    Check the schools. There is what I would consider a smattering of minorities in the elementary schools around here (Jefferson County).

    Data for the county as a whole:

    http://www.co.jefferson.co.us/jeffco..._ethnicity.pdf

    According to the data, our kids' school specifically is ~13% non-white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Check the schools. There is what I would consider a smattering of minorities in the elementary schools around here (Jefferson County).

    Data for the county as a whole:

    http://www.co.jefferson.co.us/jeffco..._ethnicity.pdf

    According to the data, our kids' school specifically is ~13% non-white.
    thanks for the link!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z

    i know a lot of this depends on where my wife gets a teaching gig- i'm hoping to trasfer out there and work virtually from home.


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    About that teaching gig...

    My wife is a teacher. You need to be willing to accept that teacher's salaries in CO are really low compared to most of the rest of the country, especially places like Illinois, New York, California, Minnesota. You know, places that pay TAXES, not just taxes. Starting salary for a teacher in Jeffco is about $33K. On the top end, there are a very few making $65K with a Master's plus 20+ years of experience..

    Also, CO districts don't accept experience and certification from many states. I know teachers who came here from elsewhere that had to get hired as "provisional", and all their previous experience was disregarded as far as salary, seniority, level, etc. You might want to check on this.

    Finally, there is a glut of teachers in CO for most categories. Districts are cutting right and left, while UNC and other schools are cranking out new teachers, all while there is a pretty strong influx from out of state. Competition is fierce. My wife was cut last spring from her full-time gig (she only had two years in), and ended up subbing this year, which only pays $94 a day, with no benefits. A friend's daughter graduated from UNC at the top of her class in elementary ed, and had stellar references from her student teaching, and ended up with nothing. She didn't even get selected to sub in Jeffco, because they had so many apps for subs!

    Don't move out here thinking a teaching gig is a slam dunk. Far from it.

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    About that teaching gig...

    My wife is a teacher. You need to be willing to accept that teacher's salaries in CO are really low compared to most of the rest of the country, especially places like Illinois, New York, California, Minnesota. You know, places that pay TAXES, not just taxes. Starting salary for a teacher in Jeffco is about $33K. On the top end, there are a very few making $65K with a Master's plus 20+ years of experience..

    Also, CO districts don't accept experience and certification from many states. I know teachers who came here from elsewhere that had to get hired as "provisional", and all their previous experience was disregarded as far as salary, seniority, level, etc. You might want to check on this.

    Finally, there is a glut of teachers in CO for most categories. Districts are cutting right and left, while UNC and other schools are cranking out new teachers, all while there is a pretty strong influx from out of state. Competition is fierce. My wife was cut last spring from her full-time gig (she only had two years in), and ended up subbing this year, which only pays $94 a day, with no benefits. A friend's daughter graduated from UNC at the top of her class in elementary ed, and had stellar references from her student teaching, and ended up with nothing. She didn't even get selected to sub in Jeffco, because they had so many apps for subs!

    Don't move out here thinking a teaching gig is a slam dunk. Far from it.
    i appreciate your insight- it's good to hear someone with personal experience. my wife isn't a teacher yet and is working on her special ed certification. she has looked into differences between IL and CO. we understand the salary difference- IL pays quite well. she's going to gain some experience here in IL before our move (this will help with her confidence level so she's not totally new going to a new place looking for work)- especially since IL is paying for her masters since there's such a big need for spec ed teachers here. so she has to teach here for two years or we have to pay the state back $25K+. additionally, we would make sure she has a job before our move- or at least i have one so we don't screw ourselves.

    just curious- do you (or your wife) know about the demand for special ed in co?

    thanks, man!
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    just curious- do you (or your wife) know about the demand for special ed in co?

    thanks, man!
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    Special ed is a little easier, just because there is so much turnover. There are teachers with special ed certs who were not teaching spec ed who are being bumped out of their current jobs and going back into spec ed. The whole market is tight as a drum right now.

    Colorado funds schools at a much lower level than midwest and east coast states. I know a middle school teacher in upstate NY with eight years experience that is making $80K. If there is a single public school teacher in CO making that, I have never heard of them. You probably know by now that there are very few private schools here, either.

    Education is not a priority here. You see it in everything from teacher's salaries to parent's and student's commitment, to test scores. Average SAT scores in Colorado are lower than Alabama and Arkansas! If you control for social and economic factors, Colorado is the Bart Simpson of states as far as education, underachievers and proud of it.

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    Its interesting to hear about the K-12 funding in CO. I grew up in WI and got my BS and MS at Wisconsin. My wife did her BS at Wisconsin and came to CU for her MS. She said she noticed a significant difference in student and teacher attitude. We looked up funding, Wisconsin spends nearly $8k per student on higher education and CO spends $3. I may be off a bit but I remember being shocked that it was nearly 3x in WI compared to CO.

    I'm not directly ripping on specific students from CU, one of the best engineers I work with has his BS and MS from CU. But it seems like you could slack your way to a degree a lot easier there than at WI.
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    this is interesting stuff! thanks for sharing, guys. it's good to know so we can plan appropriately for our move- even though it's still a few years out. i know a lot can happen in a few years- especially with my job, but it would be ideal if i can keep my current job and just work from home.

    it will be good that my wife can get teaching experience here in IL instead of going in blind to a new state; however, she will still have to do some good relationship building out there with some schools/administration to help increase her odds. we're even thinking about her going out there for a little while just before she's done teaching here to see if can get the ball rolling a little quicker.

    i'm not as concerned about her salary- obviously it would nice if she was compensated well, but the most important thing is a job and we live fairly close to where she works (especially if i'm working from home)- i know when she looked into schools in westminster, salaries were higher and wonder if that's because of some socio-economic reasons.

    i appreciate all the info!!
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    This is great information. My wife and I are coming out to Colorado in March to scope out some companies for me and places to live. I grew up in Englewood (Southeast Denver) but have been away for 21 years. I'm now in Minnesota in the medical device manufacturing industry - which also has a strong presence along the Front Range.

    My wife is a teacher with a masters degree. It's a little disheartening to hear that Colorado's education system is put at such a low priority. The district my wife works in is one of the best in the Country. Not just the State, but the whole USA as far as dollars spent per student, test scores and % continuing on to college, not to mention teacher salaries. We have 2 young pre-school age kids, so education is important. In general would you people with kids consider it a good place to raise kids?

    I'm tired of being away from mountains and the lower grade mountain and road biking they have here. Also not being able to do much of anything except for ice fishing and beer drinking for 5 months a year also gets old.

    Anyhow, I'm really taking in all of the info about nice places to live out there with access to trails. Real estate is cheap out there compared to Minneapolis, so it looks like a good value for the buck.

    Are there any resources to find companies in a sector (Medical device) listed by city? It's been hit or miss doing Google searches. I've only found about 15 companies this way, but the Denver Business Journal references the existance of just over 200 along the Front Range.

    Ultimately location of my job will determine where I live, but knowing where all of the companies in my industry are located will help me zone in on the ones that are close to areas where I'd rather live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isleblue65
    This is great information. My wife and I are coming out to Colorado in March to scope out some companies for me and places to live. I grew up in Englewood (Southeast Denver) but have been away for 21 years. I'm now in Minnesota in the medical device manufacturing industry - which also has a strong presence along the Front Range.

    My wife is a teacher with a masters degree. It's a little disheartening to hear that Colorado's education system is put at such a low priority. The district my wife works in is one of the best in the Country. Not just the State, but the whole USA as far as dollars spent per student, test scores and % continuing on to college, not to mention teacher salaries. We have 2 young pre-school age kids, so education is important. In general would you people with kids consider it a good place to raise kids?

    I'm tired of being away from mountains and the lower grade mountain and road biking they have here. Also not being able to do much of anything except for ice fishing and beer drinking for 5 months a year also gets old.

    Anyhow, I'm really taking in all of the info about nice places to live out there with access to trails. Real estate is cheap out there compared to Minneapolis, so it looks like a good value for the buck.

    Are there any resources to find companies in a sector (Medical device) listed by city? It's been hit or miss doing Google searches. I've only found about 15 companies this way, but the Denver Business Journal references the existance of just over 200 along the Front Range.

    Ultimately location of my job will determine where I live, but knowing where all of the companies in my industry are located will help me zone in on the ones that are close to areas where I'd rather live.

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    Well, for best access to MTB trails, you'll want to live somewhere on the west side. Golden, Lakewood, Littleton, Arvada. Wheat Ridge.

    " In general would you people with kids consider it a good place to raise kids?"
    No, I'd say it's a GREAT place to raise kids.
    There are very good schools here, it's just that they don't spend as much for some reason.
    Some excellent elementary schools in those areas are Kyffin (Golden), and Dennison (Lakewood). Not sure about Middle Schools as much, but High Schools are Lakewood High - they have the International Baccalaureate program, and D'Evelyn - I think they typically have the highest scores in the state, and I wouldn't want to live that far east, but Cherry Creek school district is outstanding, and well funded. IMHO, almost any suburban school will be good, it is more up to the child (and parents) to strive to be a great student. There are very few students that wouldn't be challenged if they take the best courses available at each school.

    "Real estate is cheap out there compared to Minneapolis, so it looks like a good value for the buck."
    This statement really has me surprised, but - - - OK, if you say so - I haven't seen Mpls real estate prices, so I'll take your word for it.
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    Thanks, good info. The West side is my goal, though where will depend on job.

    I went to Cherry Creek district and it was good back then, so not surprising it's still good. Median prices in that area are a bit higher. I agree that parents have the most to do with student success. My wife teaches some kids with behavior and academic problems, and for the most part the problems come back to uninvolved parents.

    Real Estate for what I've seen online is about 25% lower for an equivalent house than what my home here should sell for. Maybe 'Cheap' isn't the word, but I expected homes to cost more there because I'd consider it to be a more desireable place to live (Mountains and milder climate & jobs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by isleblue65
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    I went to Cherry Creek district and it was good back then, so not surprising it's still good. Median prices in that area are a bit higher. I agree that parents have the most to do with student success. My wife teaches some kids with behavior and academic problems, and for the most part the problems come back to uninvolved parents.
    Yup. And you can't spend your way out of that conundrum. Despite what some people would like to believe...

    Real Estate for what I've seen online is about 25% lower for an equivalent house than what my home here should sell for. Maybe 'Cheap' isn't the word, but I expected homes to cost more there because I'd consider it to be a more desireable place to live (Mountains and milder climate & jobs).
    Seriously? This is crazy. Are you looking at homes on the east side of town? Check Golden - I can almost guarantee prices will be more there.

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    Live at the base of the mountains along c470. Can't go wrong. Jefferson County

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    Yup. And you can't spend your way out of that conundrum. Despite what some people would like to believe...


    I agree that throwing unlimited amounts of money at the problem won't fix it, but I also believe that Colorado spends so little on schools that the return on investment of spending just a little more would be huge. It is like bicycles. The salient difference between a $2000 MTB and a $4000 MTB is not that great. But the difference between $500 MTB and a $1000 MTB is huge. Colorado spends at a $500 level, and gets what it pays for. Some states spend at the $1000 level, a few at the $4000 level. Maybe the $4000 bike doesn't make sense, but the $500 one doesn't either.

    The biggest change that could be made would be to actually have the kids in class for 180 days a year, like virtually every other state in the union. CO only mandates 172 days a year, which means after 12 years, kids have been in class a full half-year less than other states. Japanese and Korean students are in school 200 days a year. Do the math on that, and is it any wonder they out perform us academically?

    Forget about any other reform, that one item would make a huge difference. Of course, kids wouldn't get three and a half week long winter breaks and 12 day spring breaks. Too bad.

    It is all about the difference between "pretty good" and "excellent". It takes a lot of effort to get from the former to the latter in any endeavor, and Colorado has shown it doesn't want to make the effort.

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    I've mostly scoped out Boulder, Ft. Collins and Colorado Springs so far. Maybe those are lower than the prices around the metro.

    I also live in a very desireable neighborhood here in MN, and being in the best school district in the State, this drives prices higher. Because of these factors, home values haven't gone down in my neighborhood while they have declined 1/2 mile away.

    It looks like you can get a decent 2000 sq ft. house on a 1/4 to 1/2 acre lot for $300k - $350k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isleblue65
    I've mostly scoped out Boulder, Ft. Collins and Colorado Springs so far. Maybe those are lower than the prices around the metro.

    I also live in a very desireable neighborhood here in MN, and being in the best school district in the State, this drives prices higher. Because of these factors, home values haven't gone down in my neighborhood while they have declined 1/2 mile away.

    It looks like you can get a decent 2000 sq ft. house on a 1/4 to 1/2 acre lot for $300k - $350k.
    I can't speak to Ft. Fun or the Springs, but you won't be getting a decent 2000 sq ft. house on 1/4 to 1/2 acre in Boulder for anywhere near $350K. A 1000 sq ft. 50 year old rancher in the worst neighborhood in Boulder will run you about $350K. A house like you described in a good spot in Boulder proper will run you $800K and up. In Gunbarrel(inside Boulder city limits but 5 miles out of central Boulder) or Louisville, $500K. In Lafayette or Longmont, you might be able to get that. Lafayette and Longmont ain't Boulder, if you get my drift.

    A good house in Boulder runs about $500 sq ft. You will have to get used to much smaller lot sizes, and fewer municipal services, too. Taxes are almost certain to be lower though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit
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    The biggest change that could be made would be to actually have the kids in class for 180 days a year, like virtually every other state in the union. CO only mandates 172 days a year, which means after 12 years, kids have been in class a full half-year less than other states. Japanese and Korean students are in school 200 days a year. Do the math on that, and is it any wonder they out perform us academically?
    I'd bet dollars to donuts the teacher's union would VIGOROUSLY oppose that.

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    I'd bet dollars to donuts the teacher's union would VIGOROUSLY oppose that.
    I'm sure teachers would oppose it if they were not paid a proportionate amount more, just like I'm sure anyone would oppose being asked to work eight more days per year without a pay raise.

    However, if they were paid 5% more to cover the extra days, I'm willing to bet the majority of teachers would support such a move. The problem is that in addition to teacher salaries, there would be additional costs for janitorial, administrative, utilities, and all the other factors. The districts are already having to cut right and left, which means a tax increase would probably be necessary. Fat chance of that happening. This state has no will to improve education, and that starts with the anti-tax attitude and flows right down through the districts to the students and parents. Being middle of the road is A-OK here. When you consider the educational level of the population and the average income, it is downright embarrassing.

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    Need some Advice

    Ok guys, I am getting some orders to Buckley AFB. I am trying to find a place to live which is fairly decent pricing. I am from San Diego, so everything else is gonna be cheaper to me. I would like to live near work if possible but still live close enough to the trails to mountain bike. I pretty much do all type of riding. I also want to know about the traffic flow. If i was to move to littleton, would traffic be going the opposite way etc. I don't mind driving as long as traffic is going the opposite way. Any help would be appreciated.

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    If you lived in Littleton and commuted to Buckley your commute would be horrific. At least by my standards.

    If you lived by Buckley getting to the trails in/near the foothills for any sort of before/after work ride would be horrific. At least by my standards.

    Have you considered taking up road riding?

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    I actually do road ride. But I like mountain biking more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freerider619
    I actually do road ride. But I like mountain biking more.
    You'll probably just deal with the gnarly commute, then.

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    SS is right, there really is no fast way across Denver during rush hour unfortunately. Your only option might be to live near down town to reduce the distance in both directions but you're going to pay $400k+ for 1200 sq ft. On the plus side a lot of the down town neighborhoods are really cool; restaurants, shops, music venues, etc within walking distance.
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    Great info

    Thanks for the wealth of information on this thread. I just may have to make the move from Houston TEXAS. Or maybe I will move to Cali, then to Colorado so I will really be despised. What's the main reason behind the animosity? Is it because Texans are envious of the beautiful state that you call home and wish to compliment you by becoming your neighbor? Granted, they probably do some pretty stupid stuff upon arrival. The hatred seems to stem from something more infuriating than that. Do Texans own a lot of land there? I can't find any documents that support that notion. What's the main reason?

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    Typical response from the locals...probably the unfriendliest forum in general. However, the local riders can be quite friendly- most of them transplants though. Don't let the forum responses affect you. Most of the locals are pretty nice and I have run into some of the coolest riders here.

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    Why? Tradition, mostly. Stereo types do start for a reason. I know when I look like a fool on the slopes, I'll tell people I'm from Texas. Usually gets a laugh. Unless they're from Texas...

    Hatred is a strong word. Sarcasm, inside jokes, and "good rubbing" jokes just don't come across on teh intrawebs very well. CO peeps luv everyone. Just stay out of the left lane on I-70, no matter how fast you may think you're going, unless you want an angry audi up your @ss.
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    The Texan jokes and comments have been going on in Colorado since I was a kid growing up in Denver in the early 70s. I remember seeing in a bathroom stall at Copper Mountain when I was a kid: "Flush twice, it's a long way to Texas". The stereotypical Texan skier was a guy or gal wearing a mink coat, cowboy hat, fringed leather goose down gloves and top of the line equipment, crashing through the last 5 people in the lift line because they couldn't ski. I actually saw more than enough people who reinforced this stereotype skiing at Vail and Aspen in the '70s and '80s.

    I'm not sure where it came from either, but it has been kind of tradition in Colorado forever.

    Remember in the '80s when the Colorado license plate - looking "Native" bumper stickers came out? Then those spurred on all kinds of stickers that looked the same, but said things like "Who Cares", "Semi-Native", etc.

    I guess Coloradan's take pride in knowing they are not from somewhere else, and this might by why some of them are hard on people who are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freerider619
    Ok guys, I am getting some orders to Buckley AFB. I am trying to find a place to live which is fairly decent pricing. I am from San Diego, so everything else is gonna be cheaper to me. I would like to live near work if possible but still live close enough to the trails to mountain bike. I pretty much do all type of riding. I also want to know about the traffic flow. If i was to move to littleton, would traffic be going the opposite way etc. I don't mind driving as long as traffic is going the opposite way. Any help would be appreciated.
    My #1 rule is make your Play commute shorter than your Work Commute.

    That said, I live in Golden. If you are trying to make it Buckley, it'll take you about 30 minutes from Golden.

    apartments here are between 700 and 1200 bucks. Enjoy. See you soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudmunky
    Thanks for the wealth of information on this thread. I just may have to make the move from Houston TEXAS. Or maybe I will move to Cali, then to Colorado so I will really be despised. What's the main reason behind the animosity? Is it because Texans are envious of the beautiful state that you call home and wish to compliment you by becoming your neighbor? Granted, they probably do some pretty stupid stuff upon arrival. The hatred seems to stem from something more infuriating than that. Do Texans own a lot of land there? I can't find any documents that support that notion. What's the main reason?

    Oh, they closed Colorado to Texans 21 years ago. We still have an illegal immigrant problem, mostly from Texas

    There is no reason. People here (transplant or not) believe that the land should be for all, not privatized. There's a ton of land here that have been bought up by rich texans (and others) that fence the stuff off forever.

    I personally would rather see nothing up in the mountains, but you have these dumbsh!t skiers that buy condo's and waste up the land (I'm phucking with y'all).

    Get out here. I"d rather see a texan that enjoys where they live than have some fat phuk that doesn't. That's a waste of space in colorado, imho.

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    My #1 rule is make your Play commute shorter than your Work Commute.
    Fantastic advice.

    You will go to work, whether you feel like it or not. If the effort to go play is too much, you will not bother.

    I think I'll go play now.

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    I agree with this quote as well. Especially with kids. Its so much easier to get rides in when you can bike from home. If I had to drive 20-30 minutes to a trailhead, I'd get a lot less riding in.
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    I'm originally from WI and I've come to notice Texans here are like people from Chicago in Wisconsin. They're loud, rude, think they own the place and have no respect for preserving the environment that provides all this fun.

    If you grow up loving the outdoors its hard to watch some idiot in a huge SUV and too many kids be loud, rude and litter while you're trying to enjoy yourself. Being a yuppie and throwing money at a sport does not make you a participant in it.
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    Yes that is me in my avatar, yes that is a Texas A&M hat, and yes Colorado beat us this year. Props to CU. I need to put a picture of something mountain bike related instead. I can see how the "fat rich Texans" are a problem. That would make me mad as well. Buying up land and blocking it off as "yours" is criminal in my opinion. Don't worry about me if I ever decide to live there. I'm a middle class white guy that enjoys and respects the outdoors. I ski naked, so no worries about the frilly leather jacket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudmunky
    Yes that is me in my avatar, yes that is a Texas A&M hat, and yes Colorado beat us this year. Props to CU. I need to put a picture of something mountain bike related instead. I can see how the "fat rich Texans" are a problem. That would make me mad as well. Buying up land and blocking it off as "yours" is criminal in my opinion. Don't worry about me if I ever decide to live there. I'm a middle class white guy that enjoys and respects the outdoors. I ski naked, so no worries about the frilly leather jacket.
    Really, you think private property ownership is criminal?

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    Really, you think private property ownership is criminal?
    I think it should be okay to own an acre. I think it would be okay to own 100, but there should be a law against the 'no tresspassing' issues. Own more than an acre and anyone is free to roam on your property. The land was here before the owner, and will be here long after. This is why we have problems with Apex... too much private ownership leaves the people who want to play with limited options.

    I love BLM land, and I wish we had more of it.

    Seriously, it gets annoying when everyone has 'no tresspassing' signs everywhere... Go to Crested Butte (up the Taylor River) and its just plane gross (Yes, a texan owns it). Phuck him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    I think it should be okay to own an acre. I think it would be okay to own 100, but there should be a law against the 'no tresspassing' issues. Own more than an acre and anyone is free to roam on your property. The land was here before the owner, and will be here long after. This is why we have problems with Apex... too much private ownership leaves the people who want to play with limited options.

    I love BLM land, and I wish we had more of it.

    Seriously, it gets annoying when everyone has 'no tresspassing' signs everywhere... Go to Crested Butte (up the Taylor River) and its just plane gross (Yes, a texan owns it). Phuck him.
    I'd add that our retarded liability laws probably play in a factor of those no trespassing signs. If I owned a ton of land I'd place those signs everywhere too, I wouldn't enforce them but I would put them up to cover my butt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    I think it should be okay to own an acre. I think it would be okay to own 100, but there should be a law against the 'no tresspassing' issues. Own more than an acre and anyone is free to roam on your property. The land was here before the owner, and will be here long after. This is why we have problems with Apex... too much private ownership leaves the people who want to play with limited options.

    I love BLM land, and I wish we had more of it.

    Seriously, it gets annoying when everyone has 'no tresspassing' signs everywhere... Go to Crested Butte (up the Taylor River) and its just plane gross (Yes, a texan owns it). Phuck him.
    Why stop at an acre?

    Seriously, where do you get your ideas that people have a right to trespass on others' private property?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter2468
    Why stop at an acre?

    Seriously, where do you get your ideas that people have a right to trespass on others' private property?
    lurn yerself some history yo.

    Seriously, with that argument there would be no national parks, no uncut forests, no un-mined uranium deposits, no public beaches. By now someone would own Mt Rushmore (or maybe just a president or two) and Old Faithful would be pipelined to Beverly Hills (and Dallas)

    There is currently, and should be, a limit on private ownership of land. Fortunately, some very smart and considerate people foresaw the problem a century ago, and at least preserved a little bit. Some people, think they should have preserved a little more. Having ridden my bike cross country, I agree with those people. There is essential zero land that is not private or protected (NF, NP, BLM). The farther you get "out-of-bounds" the more you get into cattle country. (the even have to declare deserts -like Death Valley and Joshua Tree-to be national monuments, so that people won't screw them up)

    The point is: do you want to live on a planet where we all just barely scrape by, hand to mouth on meager rations. Or, would you like half the number of people to have twice as much. Those are the facts of a limited resource, like land and water and energy/waste disposal. Sucking up land and filling the world up with people makes the world a crowded place to live. No wonder there is such violence.

    And yes, it is all because those Texans 'took our land!' (vague South Park reference)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought
    And yes, it is all because those Texans 'took our land!'
    they took ur jerbs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought
    lurn yerself some history yo.

    Seriously, with that argument there would be no national parks, no uncut forests, no un-mined uranium deposits, no public beaches. By now someone would own Mt Rushmore (or maybe just a president or two) and Old Faithful would be pipelined to Beverly Hills (and Dallas)

    There is currently, and should be, a limit on private ownership of land. Fortunately, some very smart and considerate people foresaw the problem a century ago, and at least preserved a little bit. Some people, think they should have preserved a little more. Having ridden my bike cross country, I agree with those people. There is essential zero land that is not private or protected (NF, NP, BLM). The farther you get "out-of-bounds" the more you get into cattle country. (the even have to declare deserts -like Death Valley and Joshua Tree-to be national monuments, so that people won't screw them up)

    The point is: do you want to live on a planet where we all just barely scrape by, hand to mouth on meager rations. Or, would you like half the number of people to have twice as much. Those are the facts of a limited resource, like land and water and energy/waste disposal. Sucking up land and filling the world up with people makes the world a crowded place to live. No wonder there is such violence.

    And yes, it is all because those Texans 'took our land!' (vague South Park reference)
    First, I wasn't making an argument, I was asking a simple question re: whether anyone has the right to trespass on someone's property.

    That's quite a leap you're making there, that it's either a "no one gets to own hardly anything and all is right with the world" or "if anyone owns more than I (meaning "you") think they should, then life as we know it will likely end".

    You're confusing the issues of whether the parks should exist and whether its okay for someone to amass wealth. Where do you think that money comes from, btw? Also, where is this place where there's a limit on how much private land someone can own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter2468
    You're confusing the issues of whether the parks should exist and Where do you think that money comes from, btw?
    The lottery.
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    Own all the land in suburbia you want. It just revs me up to see beautiful land in the mountains or along the river posted with "no trespassing" signs. Golden looks great to me. I'll check back if I ever decide to head that way. Take care.

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    Im from TX, and found mostly all of this thread to be useful. HAHA, Especially the texas tuck, that's funny. Im looking to move to CO, but must keep saving first. I dont ski anyways, i would board, with "poser" style all decked out.

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    Why would someone live in Colorado Springs versus closer to Denver? Smaller town feel? Not as crowded? Away from the suburbs of Denver.

    I'm not saying one is better than the other but never considered Colorado Springs until recently and not sure why I didn't before. Just curious. Thanks.ez
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    Why would someone live in Colorado Springs versus closer to Denver? Smaller town feel? Not as crowded? Away from the suburbs of Denver.

    I'm not saying one is better than the other but never considered Colorado Springs until recently and not sure why I didn't before. Just curious. Thanks.ez
    It's a lot further from the ski resorts... that's one major reason.

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    Ok, I have read the entire post (ok I skimmed the entire post) but still have some questions.

    Background. I am from west Mi, am now 28, a supervisor for a shipping company and just moved to Az. Just before moving I had built a VERY nice, (ideal for me) house. We both agree we should have moved to CO. I love mountain biking hiking skiing and love the snow, and do not mind it being cold at all. I will never complain about it being to cold! My number one demand for a place to live is the type of house, and location and that kind of thing. I am looking for a rural area where I can have 1-10 acres, with trees and some grass, and PRIVACY. I don't mind driving, right now I drive 60 miles one way to work. I would like to cut that down some but for the right house location I wouldn't mind. The other large and hard to find requirement is living on a paved road, or a very short distance down a dirt road. Another high priority is housing costs, or property costs. I was a licensed builder so I will do most my own building, but can not afford more then $50,000 for land. I have not done much visiting to CO but plan to in the near future. I would really like crested butte from the pics I have seen, but don't think the area is large enough for a good career. As far as anything around Denver Fort collins or CO springs. They would all be fine if was at least 5 miles from any congestion and city ordinances. and all that BS

    If I am inappropriately hijacking this tread feel free to move or delete it, since it is a sticky I thought it was fair game,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    Why would someone live in Colorado Springs versus closer to Denver? Smaller town feel? Not as crowded? Away from the suburbs of Denver.

    I'm not saying one is better than the other but never considered Colorado Springs until recently and not sure why I didn't before. Just curious. Thanks.ez
    It is further from Denver and all ski areas. That usually means less job opps, and a longer ski commute. And has some weird cult-ish church-goers. Other than that it has a sh!t-ton of military peeps, trails and good views. Some say its a good place to raise a family.

    It is a smaller town feel and def not as crowded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyrunner99
    Ok, I have read the entire post (ok I skimmed the entire post) but still have some questions.

    Background. I am from west Mi, am now 28, a supervisor for a shipping company and just moved to Az. Just before moving I had built a VERY nice, (ideal for me) house. We both agree we should have moved to CO. I love mountain biking hiking skiing and love the snow, and do not mind it being cold at all. I will never complain about it being to cold! My number one demand for a place to live is the type of house, and location and that kind of thing. I am looking for a rural area where I can have 1-10 acres, with trees and some grass, and PRIVACY. I don't mind driving, right now I drive 60 miles one way to work. I would like to cut that down some but for the right house location I wouldn't mind. The other large and hard to find requirement is living on a paved road, or a very short distance down a dirt road. Another high priority is housing costs, or property costs. I was a licensed builder so I will do most my own building, but can not afford more then $50,000 for land. I have not done much visiting to CO but plan to in the near future. I would really like crested butte from the pics I have seen, but don't think the area is large enough for a good career. As far as anything around Denver Fort collins or CO springs. They would all be fine if was at least 5 miles from any congestion and city ordinances. and all that BS

    If I am inappropriately hijacking this tread feel free to move or delete it, since it is a sticky I thought it was fair game,
    Okay, well your plan sounds like fun. But I'm not sure your price range will get you what you are looking for. I know a guy who has around 5 acres in one of the poorest/cheapest areas in CO and just the land was around $75k, at least that's what's recorded by the county. Also, privacy and acreage aren't always related. You could have a house in Evergreen, where it is heavily wooded and have a house 10 feet next to you and you'd never know. On the flip side, you could have 20-100 acres out on the prairie and still know exactly when and what your neighbors cook dinner. And the costs of said land is priced accordingly to demand. You may already know this...We could tell you where to live for mtb. But that's where everyone (including the richie riches) want to live too Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyrunner99
    Ok, I have read the entire post (ok I skimmed the entire post) but still have some questions.

    Background. I am from west Mi, am now 28, a supervisor for a shipping company and just moved to Az. Just before moving I had built a VERY nice, (ideal for me) house. We both agree we should have moved to CO. I love mountain biking hiking skiing and love the snow, and do not mind it being cold at all. I will never complain about it being to cold! My number one demand for a place to live is the type of house, and location and that kind of thing. I am looking for a rural area where I can have 1-10 acres, with trees and some grass, and PRIVACY. I don't mind driving, right now I drive 60 miles one way to work. I would like to cut that down some but for the right house location I wouldn't mind. The other large and hard to find requirement is living on a paved road, or a very short distance down a dirt road. Another high priority is housing costs, or property costs. I was a licensed builder so I will do most my own building, but can not afford more then $50,000 for land. I have not done much visiting to CO but plan to in the near future. I would really like crested butte from the pics I have seen, but don't think the area is large enough for a good career. As far as anything around Denver Fort collins or CO springs. They would all be fine if was at least 5 miles from any congestion and city ordinances. and all that BS

    If I am inappropriately hijacking this tread feel free to move or delete it, since it is a sticky I thought it was fair game,
    Maybe look around Pine or Buffalo Creek. Land is a bit cheaper around there, but you might not get a full acre for that price. Also, some good riding there. It's about an hour to downtown Denver from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyrunner99
    Background. I am from west Mi, am now 28, a supervisor for a shipping company and just moved to Az. Just before moving I had built a VERY nice, (ideal for me) house. We both agree we should have moved to CO. I love mountain biking hiking skiing and love the snow, and do not mind it being cold at all. I will never complain about it being to cold! My number one demand for a place to live is the type of house, and location and that kind of thing. I am looking for a rural area where I can have 1-10 acres, with trees and some grass, and PRIVACY. I don't mind driving, right now I drive 60 miles one way to work. I would like to cut that down some but for the right house location I wouldn't mind. The other large and hard to find requirement is living on a paved road, or a very short distance down a dirt road. Another high priority is housing costs, or property costs. I was a licensed builder so I will do most my own building, but can not afford more then $50,000 for land. I have not done much visiting to CO but plan to in the near future. I would really like crested butte from the pics I have seen, but don't think the area is large enough for a good career. As far as anything around Denver Fort collins or CO springs. They would all be fine if was at least 5 miles from any congestion and city ordinances. and all that BS

    If I am inappropriately hijacking this tread feel free to move or delete it, since it is a sticky I thought it was fair game,
    You didn't hijack the thread... this is why its here.

    Lets look at the basics. You would like 1-10 acres, within 60 miles, for less than $50k. You also want something that so many people want as well, Colorado residents or not. Based on simple supply and demand, you'll find that the criteria you seek will be difficult to locate (as 50,000 people would be in line, willing to bid more).

    The unfortunate reality, is, your requirements are extremely hard to meet. You might find a diamond in the rough that does meet the requirements. Lets break down the front range:

    Denver metro area: This is a hot spot.
    -Skiing: within 1 hour of downtown, 40 minutes of the west side of Denver, you can be on a lift.
    -DH mtn biking: Same as above
    -Moderate temperatures: We're warmer on average than OKC.
    -access to trails: Jefferson County offers a lot of mtn biking access... as does boulder county to the north and some in Douglas to the south.
    -Denver is generally a liberal town surrounded by a mix of suburbs and towns that have lost their identity. This can be interpreted as: our clubs and night life downtown isn't just hick bars country music... relatively diverse and fun mix of Downtown venues make Denver a City.

    Colorado Springs: Fun place.
    -Skiing: Farther away from major resorts, you're looking at a 2 hour drive.
    -DH mtn biking: You will be 2 hours from the resorts (lift access), but there are a few trails the locals might let you shuttle them to.
    -Access to trails: Everything is up for interpretation, but COS has good local trails around the town. One of the highlights is a few parks within the city limits that offers fun technical riding that you can do almost all year around.
    -Co Springs doesn't have the Big City venues Denver does. The downtown reminds me of any other midwestern town... bland and boring with a few fun places to grab a beer. Remember, you're in evangelist country, so get used to christian rock.
    -Pikes peak is pretty to look at.

    Pueblo: They have a fun trail system west of town that we front rangers visit in winter. Its a lot more quiet than COS and a LOT cheaper.
    -skiing. 3+ hours away, same with DH mtn biking

    Fort Collins (AKA, Fort Fun).
    -Great town, good local trails, lake nearby. College town with lots of engineering companies... (they like their beer... lots of it).
    -Skiing: 2 hours away from the major ones, prolly 1 to 1.5 hours for Eldora
    -DH biking: Same as above. Limited to no DH shuttling there either. (taboo just to talk about it)
    -Local trails: Lots, and fun ones too.
    -downtown scene is better than COS or Pueble in my opinion. Good people with lots of watering holes for beer drinking. Want to dress up in your clubbing outfit??? This isn't your venue.

    Rule #1: The front range is expensive, until you go south of Colorado springs or north of Fort Collins. I-70 is the revenue highway... I-25 is the feeder for it
    Rule #2: Any place in the mountains now-a-days is getting expensive. Want to live in the mtns where you can commute to Denver? $$$$$ Remember, everyone would love to live in the mountains if they had to work in Denver... But there's this reality part.
    Rule#3: Do NOT ask for the equivalent house/land for the same price you own your current one from if you're coming from the midwest or less desirable place to live.

    For instance, Evergreen, also known as the mountain suburb of Denver, hosts almost 1 million people. I knew people that live all the way in Bailey that commute in to Denver. That's about a 1+ hour drive on a good day, and an older place with 1 acre, 2000sq ft will cost you 300k+. Want land? So does everyone else.

    Crested Butte: I hear you... that would be the dream; and 90% of Texans already beat you to it. Most houses there are 500k+ (and the 500k would be less than 900 sqft, no garage). Land? Think closer to $1M+ for anything within an arms reach of CB. Trust me, Colorado is a great product, and people know this.

    Here's what I recommend: Change your expectations of living here. If you can't do that, then move on to the western slope (Grand Junction) or other areas in the US. People here don't have their dream homes, we've compromised for location. My cracker shack is nothing more than a land scar and a joke of a build, but like many Front Rangers, I don't live IN my house, I live OUT of it. Its a place to work on bikes, watch TV and raise a family. We are living in our pop-up Spring, Summer and Fall, visiting Fruita, Moab, Crested Butte, Pueblo, Buffalo Creek and others. We find the land to play on, and the situate our front (camper) door to open in that general direction.

    Come out sometime. IF you're married, bring her with. Visit and understand the area first to see if you can compromise the Midwest Mansion for a fun-palace-bungalo.

    Ask yourself... Would I rather play or sit in my dream house?

    Of course, you can win the lottery and have both
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    no no no... you're thinking about the wrong type of grass...


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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    You didn't hijack the thread... this is why its here.

    Lets look at the basics. You would like 1-10 acres, within 60 miles, for less than $50k. You also want something that so many people want as well, Colorado residents or not. Based on simple supply and demand, you'll find that the criteria you seek will be difficult to locate (as 50,000 people would be in line, willing to bid more).

    The unfortunate reality, is, your requirements are extremely hard to meet. You might find a diamond in the rough that does meet the requirements. Lets break down the front range:

    Denver metro area: This is a hot spot.
    -Skiing: within 1 hour of downtown, 40 minutes of the west side of Denver, you can be on a lift.
    -DH mtn biking: Same as above
    -Moderate temperatures: We're warmer on average than OKC.
    -access to trails: Jefferson County offers a lot of mtn biking access... as does boulder county to the north and some in Douglas to the south.
    -Denver is generally a liberal town surrounded by a mix of suburbs and towns that have lost their identity. This can be interpreted as: our clubs and night life downtown isn't just hick bars country music... relatively diverse and fun mix of Downtown venues make Denver a City.

    Colorado Springs: Fun place.
    -Skiing: Farther away from major resorts, you're looking at a 2 hour drive.
    -DH mtn biking: You will be 2 hours from the resorts (lift access), but there are a few trails the locals might let you shuttle them to.
    -Access to trails: Everything is up for interpretation, but COS has good local trails around the town. One of the highlights is a few parks within the city limits that offers fun technical riding that you can do almost all year around.
    -Co Springs doesn't have the Big City venues Denver does. The downtown reminds me of any other midwestern town... bland and boring with a few fun places to grab a beer. Remember, you're in evangelist country, so get used to christian rock.
    -Pikes peak is pretty to look at.

    Pueblo: They have a fun trail system west of town that we front rangers visit in winter. Its a lot more quiet than COS and a LOT cheaper.
    -skiing. 3+ hours away, same with DH mtn biking

    Fort Collins (AKA, Fort Fun).
    -Great town, good local trails, lake nearby. College town with lots of engineering companies... (they like their beer... lots of it).
    -Skiing: 2 hours away from the major ones, prolly 1 to 1.5 hours for Eldora
    -DH biking: Same as above. Limited to no DH shuttling there either. (taboo just to talk about it)
    -Local trails: Lots, and fun ones too.
    -downtown scene is better than COS or Pueble in my opinion. Good people with lots of watering holes for beer drinking. Want to dress up in your clubbing outfit??? This isn't your venue.

    Rule #1: The front range is expensive, until you go south of Colorado springs or north of Fort Collins. I-70 is the revenue highway... I-25 is the feeder for it
    Rule #2: Any place in the mountains now-a-days is getting expensive. Want to live in the mtns where you can commute to Denver? $$$$$ Remember, everyone would love to live in the mountains if they had to work in Denver... But there's this reality part.
    Rule#3: Do NOT ask for the equivalent house/land for the same price you own your current one from if you're coming from the midwest or less desirable place to live.

    For instance, Evergreen, also known as the mountain suburb of Denver, hosts almost 1 million people. I knew people that live all the way in Bailey that commute in to Denver. That's about a 1+ hour drive on a good day, and an older place with 1 acre, 2000sq ft will cost you 300k+. Want land? So does everyone else.

    Crested Butte: I hear you... that would be the dream; and 90% of Texans already beat you to it. Most houses there are 500k+ (and the 500k would be less than 900 sqft, no garage). Land? Think closer to $1M+ for anything within an arms reach of CB. Trust me, Colorado is a great product, and people know this.

    Here's what I recommend: Change your expectations of living here. If you can't do that, then move on to the western slope (Grand Junction) or other areas in the US. People here don't have their dream homes, we've compromised for location. My cracker shack is nothing more than a land scar and a joke of a build, but like many Front Rangers, I don't live IN my house, I live OUT of it. Its a place to work on bikes, watch TV and raise a family. We are living in our pop-up Spring, Summer and Fall, visiting Fruita, Moab, Crested Butte, Pueblo, Buffalo Creek and others. We find the land to play on, and the situate our front (camper) door to open in that general direction.

    Come out sometime. IF you're married, bring her with. Visit and understand the area first to see if you can compromise the Midwest Mansion for a fun-palace-bungalo.

    Ask yourself... Would I rather play or sit in my dream house?

    Of course, you can win the lottery and have both
    You might be able to find that kind of land out in Park county. Not many trees out there though and it gets windy! You can be close enough to hoosiers pass to make it over to summit county reasonably too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    You didn't hijack the thread... this is why its here.

    Lets look at the basics. You would like 1-10 acres, within 60 miles, for less than $50k. You also want something that so many people want as well, Colorado residents or not. Based on simple supply and demand, you'll find that the criteria you seek will be difficult to locate (as 50,000 people would be in line, willing to bid more).
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    Ask yourself... Would I rather play or sit in my dream house?

    Of course, you can win the lottery and have both
    Great post IE, and good information!

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    I too am looking at moving to the Denver area in the next six months. Not so concerned about property ownership or locating close to ski resorts. What I am curious about however, is the current job market.

    I have 10 years experience in the IT field, and while I'd be happy working as a garbage man, it would be simpler to go with what i know. I'm living in Phoenix now, and the tech job market is pretty tight. Cursory glances on the internet don't really seem too promising, but I thought it might be better to ask the folks who already know.

    Is there somewhere in general I should be looking for job info?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyrunner99
    I am looking for a rural area where I can have 1-10 acres, with trees and some grass, and PRIVACY. I don't mind driving, right now I drive 60 miles one way to work. I would like to cut that down some but for the right house location I wouldn't mind. The other large and hard to find requirement is living on a paved road, or a very short distance down a dirt road. Another high priority is housing costs, or property costs. I was a licensed builder so I will do most my own building, but can not afford more then $50,000 for land.
    IndecentExposure covered the situation around here very well.
    I checked on properties in the areas just west of Fort Collins / Loveland this afternoon. The closer the parcel to pavement, the more money it will be. Here are a few examples of available properties:

    1-8 acre parcels between Loveland and Estes Park for under $50k -> couple of miles on dirt roads and about a 30 minute commute to Loveland.

    2 +- acre Lower Poudre Canyon lots (1 waterfront) within 1/4 miles of pavement $100k - 140k -> 20 minute commute to Fort Collins

    3 acre riverfront lot in Upper Poudre Canyon under $50k. Right on highway. 45-60 minute commute to Fort Collins

    6-8 acre lots .75 mile off pavement in Rist Canyon for $130k-150k -> 20 minute commute to Fort Collins

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    Quote Originally Posted by bioport
    I too am looking at moving to the Denver area in the next six months. Not so concerned about property ownership or locating close to ski resorts. What I am curious about however, is the current job market.

    I have 10 years experience in the IT field, and while I'd be happy working as a garbage man, it would be simpler to go with what i know. I'm living in Phoenix now, and the tech job market is pretty tight. Cursory glances on the internet don't really seem too promising, but I thought it might be better to ask the folks who already know.

    Is there somewhere in general I should be looking for job info?
    In Denver, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an unemployed IT expert w/ 10 years or more IT experience.

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    [QUOTE=IndecentExposure]You didn't hijack the thread... this is why its here.

    Lets look at the basics. You would like 1-10 acres, within 60 miles, for less than $50k. You also want something that so many people want as well, Colorado residents or not. Based on simple supply and demand, you'll find that the criteria you seek will be difficult to locate (as 50,000 people would be in line, willing to bid more).

    Yep, that about sums it up. You gotta pay to play...

    It's cheaper to just move to Detroit and join a gang...
    This won't hurt a bit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    no no no... you're thinking about the wrong type of grass...


    Denver is the weed Capitol now. More dispensaries than starbucks!
    I think the DEA is going to set up a permanent office in D-Town.

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    If you are considering a move to Denver you should find a job first. You don't want to end up working in an area that's on the opposite end of town to your house. Denver is a large city now (but still has a cow town feel) with large city traffic problems. It's lame to have to talk about traffic but that's one of the main things you have to consider when moving to Denver and wanting to mtn bike 7 days/wk.

    If you find a house off of I-25 in Denver county then you should be okay with pretty much any job from castle rock to Westminster, but you'll still be driving to hit your front range trails.

    FYI - if you choose Golden, you better not work in the DTC or you're going to have some hellish commutes every now and then. If you work in the south DTC it's hard to save time by taking C-470 these days. C-470 is starting to get very crowded and probably needs to be expanded to 3 lanes.....

    IMHO - if you JUST want to move to CO I would suggest the western slope/co plateau. Best trails - longer biking season - friendly ppl - no traffic....... in fact I need to move out there. For some reason I keep ending up in cites because of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cj.29er
    <snip> it's hard to save time by taking C-470 these days. C-470 is starting to get very crowded and probably needs to be expanded to 3 lanes......
    What do you mean "starting"? C-470 has been bad for more than a decade.

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    Obviously it's all relative. But it's worse now compared to 10 or 15 hrs ago. The drive on c470 from i25 to i70 is a fat [email protected]& between 4.30 and 5.30. It's comparable to norcal commutes

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    I'll never complain about denver traffic you spoiled yuppies. Crap... have you been on the 405 in LA at 2pm? Parking lot until 8pm. or how about the 101 between San Fran and Santa Clara? Crap. Have you been to Austin? Half the size of Denver but has the big texas traffic problem because all roads go north and south (why would anyone want to go east and west?).

    Then there's Boston... oh my. If you can get out of the Ted Williams tunnel, you're bound to be someone's b!tch on the 95... Then there's the 128 where you go from 115 mph to a stand still in .5 seconds. Got brakes?

    Oh, and lastly, there's atlanta. This big pile so flattened poo has 85 and 75 converging for a 20 lane highway! 20 lanes! Where in the [email protected] would you go? There's no where to go in Atlanta... NO WHERE! Other than people just driving because they have automobiles.

    And all of you drivers that whine and complain about someone pulling in front of your slow-a$$... Have you driven in India? Seriously? After that amusement of invisible lanes of cars, mopeds, rickshaws, bicycles and cattle, I would be happy to drive from Golden to the DTC ANY DAY. Bangalore alone has 10 million people stuffed in the same space as Denver and only 2 of the 8 stoplights work.... if you're lucky, someone may stop for one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y
    I think the DEA is going to set up a permanent office in D-Town.
    They need more agents for the legal dispensaries...
    or you could open a dispensary... or an indoor growing supply shop (hint: they just opened one in Golden )
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    I'll never complain about denver traffic you spoiled yuppies.
    Calm down buddy! I'm not complaining about my 3.5 mile 10 minute commute. Crap its only 20 minutes by bike

    Well there was one time when it snowed 2 feet and it took me 15 minutes to get home! This guy in a 2wd Tacoma was just ridiculous!
    You have just been mentally Rick Roll'd. Yup you're thinking about it right now aren't you? Don't fight it.

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    the traffic sucks in denver....don't give me this bangalore crap.....i don't live in India and niether does 99% of this forum..... the traffic is bad in denver..... don't try to make it seem like there is no traffic in denver by comparing it to LA and Atlanta. Those cities are $H!TH0L3$.... of course the traffic is atrocious there..... oh yeah and the traffic is bad in sao paulo too.

    BTW, you missed Chicago, Dallas, San Antonio, New York, Seattle, Orlando, Miami, DC, etc....

    Who gives a rat's A$$ about the traffic in Bangalore..... do they have sweet mtb or something?

    traffic on the 101 between san matty and SF is just as bad as c-470

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    the bay area does have some of the best mountain biking though.... so props to that portion of the post

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    For instance, Evergreen, also known as the mountain suburb of Denver, hosts almost 1 million people.
    Wut??!!

    I assume when you use the term "host" you mean visitors to the area because I'm pretty sure the 2009 census only just surpassed 30K.

    And traffic is all relative. I've had to live in both Chicago and Seattle and believe me, Denver doesn't even have "traffic" compared to those 2 cities. I can drive from one end of Denver to the other in 30 mins. There's hardly anybody on the roads here lol. I couldn't even make it out of my own sub-division in Chicago in that same time frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter2468
    In Denver, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an unemployed IT expert w/ 10 years or more IT experience.
    Eeee...

    Guess I, too, should take up taxidermy before moving to Colorado.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    Calm down buddy! I'm not complaining about my 3.5 mile 10 minute commute. Crap its only 20 minutes by bike

    Well there was one time when it snowed 2 feet and it took me 15 minutes to get home! This guy in a 2wd Tacoma was just ridiculous!

    LOL... I should've put "read with sarcasm"
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostmaniksoul
    Wut??!!

    I assume when you use the term "host" you mean visitors to the area because I'm pretty sure the 2009 census only just surpassed 30K.

    And traffic is all relative. I've had to live in both Chicago and Seattle and believe me, Denver doesn't even have "traffic" compared to those 2 cities. I can drive from one end of Denver to the other in 30 mins. There's hardly anybody on the roads here lol. I couldn't even make it out of my own sub-division in Chicago in that same time frame.
    LOL... the census. I'm putting down that I'm an Euro-African-Native-American.

    When I mean Host, I mean that the Mountain Suburbs include a lot of people. This includes Morrison, Golden, Ken-Caryl, Bailey, Evergreen, Idaho springs all up and down the front-range that feeds Denver. Just wait until 1 person creates an accident on the only highway that leads to your house... then its a fun 4 hour commute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    LOL... I should've put "read with sarcasm"
    Funny, I was gonna mention that you forgot how driving in traffic is on the moon...(sarcastic, of course!)

    Did you partake on that rum sale? Give me a ring, we'll pillage and plunder with our yuppie food stamps! They have a drive up window too...
    This won't hurt a bit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure

    When I mean Host, I mean that the Mountain Suburbs include a lot of people. This includes Morrison, Golden, Ken-Caryl, Bailey, Evergreen, Idaho springs all up and down the front-range that feeds Denver. Just wait until 1 person creates an accident on the only highway that leads to your house... then its a fun 4 hour commute.
    ...ah I'm with you now.

    The biggest issue with Evergreen is the increasing velociraptor problem. It was manageable a couple of years ago but now it just seems to be getting out of control. The SW/W suburbs are a much safer place to reside IMHO.
    And though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours...I simply am not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostmaniksoul
    ...ah I'm with you now.

    The biggest issue with Evergreen is the increasing velociraptor problem. It was manageable a couple of years ago but now it just seems to be getting out of control. The SW/W suburbs are a much safer place to reside IMHO.
    You are one FUNNY dude!

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    I always wondered what happened to that cat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter2468
    In Denver, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an unemployed IT expert w/ 10 years or more IT experience.
    When you say IT expert does this include software developers, please say no! We are putting the house on the market again and hoping for a reasonable offer, then we are off hopefully back west. My current employer does not mind my working from home but I think I need a backup plan. Cursory looks on dice yield decent prospects for C#/C++/java but it is hard to tell what the going rate is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by td_mn
    When you say IT expert does this include software developers, please say no! We are putting the house on the market again and hoping for a reasonable offer, then we are off hopefully back west. My current employer does not mind my working from home but I think I need a backup plan. Cursory looks on dice yield decent prospects for C#/C++/java but it is hard to tell what the going rate is.
    Back up plans are good and swinging cats are bad ...where are you moving from? And if you don't mind me asking, how much do you hope to sell your house for and spend on the new one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    Back up plans are good and swinging cats are bad ...where are you moving from? And if you don't mind me asking, how much do you hope to sell your house for and spend on the new one?
    We are moving from Minneapolis where it is just far too cold. We are looking to sell 500+ and plan to spend something similar, although I imagine we will be getting a smaller place. That should not be a problem having lived in Ca where the homes/lots are very small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by td_mn
    We are moving from Minneapolis where it is just far too cold. We are looking to sell 500+ and plan to spend something similar
    Damn. If I had that going I'd just retire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by td_mn
    We are moving from Minneapolis where it is just far too cold. We are looking to sell 500+ and plan to spend something similar, although I imagine we will be getting a smaller place. That should not be a problem having lived in Ca where the homes/lots are very small.
    You can do well in Denver for 500. I don't know about suburbs, but in my neighborhood, you could get a two-story classic Denver Square with updated kitchen/bath for that. I've got a restored bungalow with a finished basement and about 1800' of living space for a fair bit less than that. It depends on neighborhood though. My house would be over 500k in Wash Park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by td_mn
    We are moving from Minneapolis where it is just far too cold. We are looking to sell 500+ and plan to spend something similar, although I imagine we will be getting a smaller place. That should not be a problem having lived in Ca where the homes/lots are very small.
    You will absolutley have no problem in that price range. Do you know where you would prefer to live in Colorado, meaning downtown Denver or closer to trails/mountians etc.? I have a house I'm listing in Golden (Village at Mountain Ridge) at the beginning of April for $489,000 that is close to a bunch of trails/mountain views and plenty of riders to party with (like Indecent Exposure, Dabuser, me and several more)...there is another house coming up on the market in a couple weeks, same subdivision, that I know of as well that is in the mid to low $400's and approx. 2500 sq.ft with a finished basement. If you are interested, I'd be glad to email you those listings as soon as they hit the market or homes in any other areas that interest you. Feel free to give me a PM or email me at www.derekhallHMS.com ([email protected]) and I'll send you what you want.
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    So far the plan is to sell our house first and then we are thinking of renting for a few months till we get a better idea where we want to buy. We have 3 boys so schools need to be decent. I imagine being near the tech center would help but locations closer to the mountains would be very nice, Ken Caryl keeps popping up.

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    I moved to Ken Caryl a few months ago. West Littleton, Lakewood, and Golden were my top choices. Another fellow rider from mtbr recently moved to Ken Caryl. He may have used this tread to gather info as well. If you want, PM me. I can give you info/pics and maybe Mark can help you as well. He looked a lot too before choosing Ken Caryl.

    Quote Originally Posted by td_mn
    So far the plan is to sell our house first and then we are thinking of renting for a few months till we get a better idea where we want to buy. We have 3 boys so schools need to be decent. I imagine being near the tech center would help but locations closer to the mountains would be very nice, Ken Caryl keeps popping up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by td_mn
    So far the plan is to sell our house first and then we are thinking of renting for a few months till we get a better idea where we want to buy. We have 3 boys so schools need to be decent. I imagine being near the tech center would help but locations closer to the mountains would be very nice, Ken Caryl keeps popping up.
    Renting is a good idea and will allow you to explore a bit before settling on an area. KC is a good one though. Do you have a time frame for moving out of the ice box?
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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    Renting is a good idea and will allow you to explore a bit before settling on an area. KC is a good one though. Do you have a time frame for moving out of the ice box?
    Our time frame will depend upon selling our home. Having lived in one state while selling in another before, I do not want to repeat that hell. So ideally we will be out there by mid summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by td_mn
    Our time frame will depend upon selling our home. Having lived in one state while selling in another before, I do not want to repeat that hell. So ideally we will be out there by mid summer.
    I feel ya, we moved from the Chicago area and had that similar issue to face too. Having the house sold and being mobile due to renting may also put you in a great position when negotiating on your purchase. Closing times and possession dates can sometimes make ALL the difference! If you're not working with an agent and would like to meet up when the time is right, I'd be glad to help you find your next home here. Let's hook up for a ride and local brew sometime either way!
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    td: SW developer? I suppose it depends on what you're developing. Remember that when Oracle came through and chewed up everything (PeopleSoft, Sun/StorageTek), there were tons of people laid off. But that said, if you don't DO IT, it will never happen. Now is a good time to move, the market can only go up.
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    Td, I'm in the same boat. Living in Minneapolis, grew up in Englewood CO and lived for 15 years in Northern CA. We've been in MN less than 4 years, but we know this isn't the place. Not having mountains or hills is a much bigger deal for me than the cold, but the weather AND the riding (road and off-road) is a joke here compared to either CA or CO.

    I'm following up on some job leads back in CA, but my next step is Colorado. The medical device industry only has 4 or 5 strongholds in the country, with Colorado being one of them. Unfortunately the best market for it is here in Minneapolis. Opportunities aren't quite as abundant along the front range as they are in other less desireable places.

    Having 2 pre kindergarten age kids, schools are an important consideration. Schools are great here as you probably know, pretty bad in CA, and just OK in CO. My wife and I keep telling each other that we are not going to be happy, well adjusted parents if we can't stand where we live, so being in a mountain environment is going to win out over staying here for the schools.

    Anyway, it's good to hear about areas like Ken Caryl. I'm selling and buying in the mid $300 range and I see some nice places there, and in other areas along the front range around that price point.

    I'll definitely be checking back in on this thread. Great information!
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    Thanks for all the great replies. This really helps solidify our decision. It is a bit scary taking this plunge but if my employer sticks to their commitment and continues to let me work remotely this will be the best move we have ever had. Unfortunately I work on financial software so this is really moving away from my regular employer base. To some extent it would be a career change if I get a SW job out there.

    I really have to agree with you isleblue, MN is just not for us. We are going on 3 years here and of the three states we have lived in (IL, Ca, Mn) this feels the least like home. The winters are long and the summers offer far too little. Unless of-course you include going to the cabin, a religion I will never understand. I guess there goes my chances for the tourism board. Our kids are older and luckily are on board with the move. When we moved to Ca our two youngest where a similar ages to yours. We were hesitant at first but that was an adventure I would easily repeat. The kids loved all the day trips, there was always something new to do which did not include going to a mall.

    So now we just need to tidy up a few things on the house, get it on the market in 2 weeks then hope for a reasonable buyer.

    Then maybe I would be able see some of you on the trails and go have a beer or two. In any event we hope to be on our way soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by td_mn
    The winters are long and the summers offer far too little. Unless of-course you include going to the cabin, a religion I will never understand. I guess there goes my chances for the tourism board. When we moved to Ca our two youngest where a similar ages to yours. We were hesitant at first but that was an adventure I would easily repeat. The kids loved all the day trips, there was always something new to do which did not include going to a mall.
    I have to chuckle at the truth in your experiences here. The mall in the winter and cabin in the summer. I also don't get the allure of the cabin culture. At least most cabins in the woods of Colorado and California provide access to great hiking, biking, skiiing and scenery. In MN they provide access to... the lake. Hate to say it, but people born and raised here don't know any better.
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    You guys should move back to California.

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    TD, I hear you're coming out? Some local sources say you're gonna be drinking GCB Sunday afternoon (Do I have the right guy?). Anyhoo, we'll put you in touch with the right people. I know a few people that might get you in touch with the right people.

    I have a few opinions and facts about Ken Caryl, there are pro's and con's. You can evaluate the differences based on your lifestyle.

    Schools? Well, the schools our kids are going to are awesome. They are really intense and my 2 daughters learn very well and like where they go. I have a feeling your perspective may change once your kids are in school... I couldn't have an opinion without having experienced it first.
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