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    Who has a pick-up truck?

    i've never owned a pick-up truck, but like the idea of them. what do i need to know? i would like a 4-door extended cab 4x4. i'm open to any manufacturers and heard good things about the reliability of toyotas.

    i don't know a lot about trucks other than i've been very pleased with the amount of leg room in some of the 4-door extended cab ones- only car where i didn't have to have my seat all the way back for me being 6'4. also, i know their mpg rating isn't very good.

    i don't care as much about many options outside of power windows, locks, etc. don't know if i would need sportier suspension or anything like that.

    eventually i would pull a pop-up camper or something like that.

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    Trucks are cool

    Getting a truck is great if you need one. The big question is how much are you looking to spend. Allot of the newer trucks get better gas milage then the older models. I drive a 2010 4X4 Ford F150 STX model for work and its averaging 18 mpg. Mostly highway milage, but still not bad. My favorite truck I have owned was a 2005 Nissan Titan, allot of room, great power and drove like our car. My buddy has a smaller newer style frontier that is also very nice. The down side is the Titan and Frontier don't get the best milage. Good luck with your search.
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    thanks, bigtyme. i don't know my budget yet- i see they can get quite pricey. i guess i really don't need one but would be convenient hauling stuff and on camping trips to have more storage room and not worrying about muddy stuff in a trunk of a car.
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    Trucks are great for hauling bikes, and tend to stand up to a lot more abuse than cars. They certainly come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, and depending on what your needs are there are lots of great options. If you need additional people space maybe a used Toyota Tacoma quad cab, or maybe a Subaru Baja or Honda Element possibly if you like a little more fuel economy. I have a 1991 GMC Syclone that handles the bike hauling for me 95% of the time for me. Very convenient and if I keep my foot out of it and drive sensibly I get around 19-21 mpg even with the AWD drivetrain. My goals in life revolve around speed and not people carrying so it works out just fine for my needs.



    Bottom line is that trucks are a great bike hauling solution!! Another option would be to consider a Subaru Forester wagon. I have had one of those in the past and they are also great for hauling people, bikes, and camping gear.

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    Look at a lot of the smaller PU Trucks, including 2000 era used. The V6 engines can get 20+ mpg. I have an 86 Ford Bronco II that I am happy with. The rear seating is better in the SUV than an extended cab PU and I can lock stuff up inside . Open PU beds are not very secure. I can also tow a trailer when needed.
    Handling on any truck can change depending on tire sizes and tread type.
    If I had the $$ I would look seriously at a Toyota 4Runner.
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    I have been a pick-up man since 1985 I have owned 4 of them starting with a 1981 Datsun (not Nissan), 1985 GMC 1500 4X4, 2000 Toyota Tacoma 4X4 extended cab, & 2005 Chevy 2500 Duramax 4X4 crew cab. By far my favorite had been the Chevy Duramax. I got ask a lot how it compares to the Toyota--I loved my Toyota but there is no comparison. The Chevy is a better truck!! The bottom line for my is the Chevy gets the same gas mileage, but is a lot bigger, rides better and faster!!! As far as reliability the Chevy has beat the Toyota too, the Toyota when back 3 times in 100,000 miles for warranty issues, the Chevy has been back 2 time in 89,000 miles. Both Toyota and Chevy provided excellent customer service. But it is kinda an unfair comparison the Chevy was almost twice as expensive and is a diesel, but it is a damn good truck. I will be getting another Chevy when mine gets 175,000 or so miles on it.
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    Trucks are great. I just got an 09' Toyota Tundra. I do pull a travel trailer with it in the Summer time but it comes in handy for plenty of other uses, mountain biking being one of them. If you are going to pull a trailer I recomend getting a truck that can out pull your trailer. I started with a Chev 1500 which rated 7500 lbs towing. Well it pulled my 5500lb trailer but the hills worked the truck hard. Trailer camping is awesome if you have kids and the bikes can all go in the truck. Racks can be built out of scrap wood and tie downs so you dont need to spend big $$ on securring the bikes.

    Buying used can save you big cash. I bought a lease return from a dealershp and saved over $15,000 and still got a great truck.

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    I have a 2004 V8 Chevrolet Silverado Z71 Crew Cab. It's the only woman that let's me touch her knobs. Anyways, I buy nothing but American and suggest the same to everyone else looking for good quality vehicles. GMAC, Ford, and Dodge are your friends as well I get 18-22 mpg with my truck. You should check into used (new if you're a new person type of buyer) Chevy Colorado or GMC Canyon as they are pretty damn nice and not so bad on gas. You have a lot of room with them as well for work purposes or shopping purposes. I could go on about comparing specs with other trucks like Toyota, Nissan (They claim to be American but that's BS) and Honda Kidline or Ridgeline, w/e that name is but I won't as I don't want a Company war on the forum.

    Nothing can go wrong with a Chevy though.

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    I have an 08 Ford F150 Crew Cab Lariat 4x4. I went for all the frills (leather, upgraded radio, captains seats with heat, etc.) I love my truck. I haven't had a problem pulling anything yet. I pulled a 16' skidloader trailer with ramps that had my brother's '99 Explorer on it just fine. I have an 18' 5'' fiberglass boat that I can't even tell is behind me. When I pull the pop up camper my mileage doesn't even go down! Though I do have the 5.5' bed with a tonneau cover, I can still fit my bike underneath it laying down. I would suggest looking for something that has limited slip for sure though.
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    Gotta love hauling stuff that you hardly notice you're even hauling. 70 45 lbs bags of mulch on the bed and 340+ bags on a trailer ...wet mulch at that and you can't really tell the difference from hauling and not hauling!

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    check out the Honda Ridgeline. They won truck of the year the first year-model that it was released. It sure is a winner. You get the honda reliability + high resale value.

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    I'm a fan of the p/u myself. I'm driving my '99 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4X4, bought it new. I have the small V8 and I get about 16mpg combined hiway/city but I baby it to get that kinda mileage. Straight highway it can get 17-18. Never had a lick of trouble with my truck except that I just replaced the power brake vacuum booster. I use it for hauling dirt bikes, ski trips, hardware store runs as well as transporting the mountain bike. I just toss the bike in the bed of the truck and I have a folding bedcover that keeps it out of sight. the folding bedcover is sweet as you can just fold it back if you need to haul something big but it's a lockable hardshell so when covering the whole bed it's semi-secure. I've often thought about replacing it with a Subaru Forester or Outback but then I'd have to get a dirt bike trailer and I might have to take the front wheel off the MTB to get it in (20MM axle doesn't make that appealing).

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    go the mighty ute, australia lives on the back of the ute or what you call the pick up truck. I don't have one myself as I have no real need for one my bike fits in the back of my mazdaspeed minus front wheel quite well but in the future might look at getting the toyota hilux or something similar, crewcab so i can carry family and equipment.

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    this really helps. thanks! for sure it would have to be a quad cab (4-door)- i want it to have the room of a car (of course more is nice) inside and then the flexibility of 4x4 and storage in the bed. it would be me, my wife, and my son- and sometimes one or two others (hence the need to be a quad cab).

    i don't have anything to pull right now but i'm entertaining the idea of a pop-up camper. right now we tent camp and enjoy it but i'm sure one day will move toward camper camping. it's also nice to have bikes in the bed along with other camping supplies and not worrying about dirt, mud, etc.

    i'm fine with buying used but have heard people really beat the heck out of trucks with hauling and plowing and construction work and sometimes it's not the best to buy used. you find that true? i guess some of that can happen with any used vehicle- i'm all about spending less but have no issues throwing down $30K for a nice truck. not even sure what that would get me new anyway- haven't done that much research yet. ez
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    i'm fine with buying used but have heard people really beat the heck out of trucks with hauling and plowing and construction work and sometimes it's not the best to buy used. you find that true?
    My Silverado was used and the previous owner used it to haul large trailers. SOB turned it in for a Titan because he wanted more power which was stupid! He could have saved money buy getting a 2500 used off of the same lot and they were all in great condition and with less mileage. I have no issues hauling or pulling anything whatsoever since the guy turned it in. Only issue I had with it was the speedometer which was a recall but that was a free fix. Also you say you're 6'4? I'm 6'2 and I raised the seat all the way up and still have headroom and room on the sides for my long arms. I can also fit 2 bikes in the cab and 6 on the bed and probably 4 to 6 or more on the hitch.

    I would take used over new any day!

    Oh yea.. before I forget. You have auto 4WD for driving on snow/ice, 4H WD for off road purposes, 4L WD for pulling trailers, and your normal 2 WD for normal driving. Every time I go out after a snow storm I like to see if I can skid and catch traction but my truck just wont let me because of the Auto 4WD option. Never settle for a 2 WD truck.

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    Not always, many trucks are bought for "hey I got a truck" and never see hard duty. I pick up a used 2004 ram for under 7500 a couple of years ago and has been the best truck I ever owned. Like anything used get a history and get it checked out before you take ownership of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    check out the Honda Ridgeline. They won truck of the year the first year-model that it was released. It sure is a winner. You get the honda reliability + high resale value.
    Sorry not a truck. Truck by most is a framed with bolt on body to handle hauling and towing. A frame is the backbone which the truck is built on. Honda makes great cars, motorbikes, engines but is not a truck manufacter. Ridgeline is front drive mostly until wheel slips happens and then drives rears with a bias of 60/40. Front wheel drives is good again for cars but not trucks. Also Ridgeline is a unibody frame that is the same for minivan and pilot models, Again great for a car but most truck the body would not last a few years. Think a unibody is as good as body on frame try loading 1500 lbs to any car and see. Unibodies are stiffer and ride better but are not design for heavy light work as pickup are. I know Honda Ridgeline is rated for 1600lbs but do that day in and out and see how long that body remains tight. If unibodies design were the best, the heavier truck class 5-8 would use it. But all trucks use a body on frame design, a design for work and not for comfort. Toys are goods if American brands are not your cup of tea. Both models are framed vehicles (made to haul and tow) Rear drive or four drive. My favorite is Dodge or Ford. The two of the three Ford trucks I owned had over 250,000 miles and were fairly troublefree. The last Ford I sold due to a offer I could not say no to and got the Dodge sticker was a hair under 7500 and paid cash after talking the dealership down to around 7000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    i've never owned a pick-up truck, but like the idea of them. what do i need to know?
    A 4x4 extended cab truck will probably be fairly long. Measure your garage carefully and then measure candidate vehicles to determine which ones will fit. (My '97 F-150 w/ extended cab barely fits in my garage. I think newer ones would be too long.)

    You should also think carefully about how big of a (truck) bed you want / need. If you plan on hauling bikes in the bed, a standard size bed is the way to go. If you plan on using a hitch rack, you can get by with a short bed truck. Ultimately, your choice of bed size may be constrained by the size of your garage.

    I like the Thule Insta-Gator for carrying bikes in the pickup bed.

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    Like anything used get a history and get it checked out before you take ownership of it.
    +1, forgot about that detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinB
    You should also think carefully about how big of a (truck) bed you want / need. If you plan on hauling bikes in the bed, a standard size bed is the way to go. If you plan on using a hitch rack, you can get by with a short bed truck. Ultimately, your choice of bed size may be constrained by the size of your garage..
    I have a short bed (5.5') on my truck. I can fit my bike in it just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toxicity_27
    I have a short bed (5.5') on my truck. I can fit my bike in it just fine.
    I have a 6.5' bed w/ a roll-up tonneau cover box at the front of the bed. The tonneau cover box takes about a foot of space at the front of the bed. That means that we probably have about the same amount of usable front-to-back space in our trucks. When using a Thule Insta-Gator for hauling bikes, I find that I have to angle the bike a bit (or sometimes a lot, depending on the bike) in order to make it fit in the bed. There have been times when I've wished for a bit more length in the bed (or that I didn't have the tonneau cover box there).

    If, on the other hand, I were to lay the bike in the bed, or hang the fork over the tailgate, it'll fit just fine. For a time, I used a Yakima Beddy Joe, in which you have to remove the front wheel, and bikes fit just fine too, with no angling necessary.

    So, depending upon the size of your bike and your preferred method of transporting it, a short bed truck might be okay.

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    So once again it comes down to what are u gonna do with it. It sounds like u are just gonna have light use and just want the convience of being able to just throw junk in the back. If that's the case consider a full size v-6. I have a 08 gmc v6 and average 25mpg for every day commute with a mix of stop-and-go and highway. I also use to
    have a 02 gmc sinoma and would average 20-22. I love the fact that we can just throw our bikes in the back and clothes (muddy and all) and not worry bout Getting the smell out if your car. Also just being able to thow random stuff u need. The adv is they get great gas mileage for a truck and u have plenty of room cause it's full size. U just won't be able to tow a whole lot or have a lot of pick up, but If u won't be towing all the time(as in my case) it's great! sometimes I wish I had the power of a v8 cause I tend to have a heavy foot but I see how when I drive my sisters 09 tahoe I'm doin good if I can get 17 mpg! No matter what their is goin to be disadv and adv to both, u just have to really asses what u want and what u need. Hope it helps!

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    all this really helps. i definitely won't be pulling something full time. mostly it would be a 6-7 times a year deal where i would pull a smaller trailer or pop-up camper. i definitely don't want to get something i don't need but i also don't want the hindsight thinking i shoula woulda.

    good point about the garage- my current one would fit a huge truck for sure but we'll only be here for a couple years before we move out west. definitely something to keep in mind.

    we'll primarily have 3 bikes in the back- 2 adult ones and my little guy's one, but of course that will eventually mean 3 bigger bikes. i like the idea of a hitch rack too- especially since i already have one.
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    I bought a 2004 Chevy 1/2 ton used with 30,000 miles in 07. It now over 130,000 miles and runs fine. Besides tires and brakes it has only needed a blower switch, transfer case motor, one wheel bearing and a thermostat replaced. I was concerned about buying a used truck and if it had been beat on before I got it, I looked a long time at a bunch of trucks until I found one that was clean and didn't have any dents or scratches on it. I once bought a used truck where the previous owner and his wife had their names on the side. They loved that truck enough to put their name on it, I knew it was well taken care of. I saved at least $12,000 or more buying my latest used truck. Good Luck!

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    I hate to say it, but the Honda Ridgeline sounds like it'd be a good fit for you. I know a ton of people will jump on the "it's not a real truck" bandwagon and bad mouth it, but it really is a great vehicle. And it is rated to tow 5000 lbs, plenty for any pop up camper I've seen. It rides/handles more like a car, yet has a bed, which sounds like what you want. A lot of guys seem to think you need at least a fullsize to be a "real" truck, then others say to need a 1 ton dually diesel to be a "real" truck. Where does that stop? At this?


    Once you have a truck, you'll always want one. I'm on my 6th. Went for a spell with just a Jeep and a trailer, definitely less conveinent than a pickup!

    Oh yea.. before I forget. You have auto 4WD for driving on snow/ice, 4H WD for off road purposes, 4L WD for pulling trailers, and your normal 2 WD for normal driving. Every time I go out after a snow storm I like to see if I can skid and catch traction but my truck just wont let me because of the Auto 4WD option. Never settle for a 2 WD truck.
    Part time four wheel drive, or 4H, can be used on any slick surface, snow, ice, off road, etc. You need to make sure you shift out of it when getting to wet or dry pavement to prevent driveline bind.

    Full time 4WD or "Auto 4WD" is usually coupled with a center differential that has a viscous coupler or clutch pack of some sort. This allows the vehicle to be in 4WD all the time, as the system provides some give/slip when used on hard surfaces. Most newer vehicles are also torque-managed to death when in full auto mode, which keeps them from being able to spin tires. Like Blksocks said, he can't even slide his around in the snow. This is because of GM's traction control and torque management. Older AWD vechiles don't do this and will still spin/slide. I guarrentee the Syclone pictured above will do all sorts of crazy powerslides in snow, or even wet pavement for that matter.

    4L or 4 low is for off roading. It' a gear reduction to provide torque multiplication when needed, like when crawling through low speed terrian. Many will use it for pulling a boat up the launch ramp, which is fine, but you need to make sure to shift out of it right away. Again, driveline bind on hard surfaces.

    And 2 wheel drive isn't necessarily an evil. Last I lived in Michigan I had my 2wd S10 in a town that saw over 10 ft of snowfall, in just January. Did just fine, and drove it in favor of my 4x4 Toyota (Swamper's and welded differentials made it un-driveable in the snow).
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    adam, i see what you mean about the ridgeline. it seems like it can meet my current need. i just don't know what my future need is yet. the ridgeline starts at upper 20s which seems to be comparable to the comparable 4x4 extended cabs- lower 30s is what i was seeing. that's obviously if i buy new- which i'm not tied to. looks like the ridgeline gives you more options in the entry level model- that's nice but not required.

    i do like the idea of a truck that is like a car with a bed, but then would be kicking myself if i end up needing/wanting something more.

    i know i won't need it to pull a boat or a 5th wheel- a popup or a little bigger camper. i would like to take it to places where the average car can't go- not over some 5' diameter boulders though.
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    I’m really starting to like my truck a lot. I wasn’t really all that excited at first but the more I use it the more l like the versatility of it. It’s great for the family, and to haul a few people around for rides etc.. There were a lot of good deals around when I got this so it made my decision a lot easier but for me things always seem to work out better when I go with a Toyota.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    adam, i see what you mean about the ridgeline. it seems like it can meet my current need. i just don't know what my future need is yet. the ridgeline starts at upper 20s which seems to be comparable to the comparable 4x4 extended cabs- lower 30s is what i was seeing. that's obviously if i buy new- which i'm not tied to. looks like the ridgeline gives you more options in the entry level model- that's nice but not required.

    i do like the idea of a truck that is like a car with a bed, but then would be kicking myself if i end up needing/wanting something more.

    i know i won't need it to pull a boat or a 5th wheel- a popup or a little bigger camper. i would like to take it to places where the average car can't go- not over some 5' diameter boulders though.
    i also have first hand experience with a ridgeline and it'll handle 95% as much as what those other "diesel" trucks can do. Do you plan to carry a bed full of bricks? steel? sand? If not then the ridgeline will be capable enough for you. It will also hold 3 large bikes with ease. If you want theres always the smart trailer hitch + bike rack option to leave your bed covered for luggage/bags/gear/your kid/etc =]

    theres really no beating the ridgeline in reliability. The domestics just don't match up

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    theres really no beating the ridgeline in reliability. The domestics just don't match up
    Actually the F150 is one of the most reliable trucks ever built. There is a reason why it is the best selling full size truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    i also have first hand experience with a ridgeline and it'll handle 95% as much as what those other "diesel" trucks can do. Do you plan to carry a bed full of bricks? steel? sand? If not then the ridgeline will be capable enough for you. It will also hold 3 large bikes with ease. If you want theres always the smart trailer hitch + bike rack option to leave your bed covered for luggage/bags/gear/your kid/etc =]

    theres really no beating the ridgeline in reliability. The domestics just don't match up

    I love it when people have no idea what they are talking about!!! Let me clear up the error of your 95% of what a diesel will do.

    Towing: Ridgeline 5000lbs, Chevy 13000lbs, = 38%
    Payload; Ridgeline 1546lbs, Chevy 3228lbs = 47%

    Fuel economy is about a push, the Ridgline is 15city/20hwy. To get my Chevy to get 15 city I have to be up on the turbo alot, it gets 16.5 under normal driving. Fuel economy estimates are done at 55mph or so and I can't drive that slow I have driven at 60mph and gotten about 21mph but the faster you go it will drop off fast. 75mph it's good for 17mph. So I'll call it a push.

    Bike capacity I have carried 5 with ease and could have weggied one more in there. The Chevy seats 5 very comfortable.

    The RidgeLine is a fine SUV but it's not 95% of a Chevy Diesel. I am not saying everyone needs or should get a fullsized real truck. Hell I really don't need one my Toyota was fine. But for the same fuel economy you can't beat the room, power, & comfort of a fullsize truck.

    As far as the reliability--thats your opinion, but for the past 5 years domestics have been matching up fine, 10 years ago it was another story.
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    No sense getting into an argument over what's a "truck" and what isn't (with regards to the Ridgeline, specifically)-- focus more on what you want! Look at the weights for the popups and travel trailers you're considering and make sure you have the towing capacity in whatever you pick. As for reliability-- everybody will have anecdotes either way on it.

    I have a Nissan Frontier quad cab with the full size bed, picked it up probably for the same reasons you're looking (camping, occasional light hauling, passengers, bikes). My requirements were:

    1) Long enough bed to sleep in (*most* quad cabs have a short bed, 5'something-- not very sleep-in-able)
    2) Quad cab (my car doesn't have passenger room )
    3) Fits easily in my garage
    4) Manual transmission (I'm old school like that)

    So, consider what you want out of it-- make a list and see what fits. I got the Nissan because it was available with a 6' bed and was a bit cheaper than the Tacoma. I love it, but I noticed smaller doesn't mean easier to maneuver. In making the Frontier with the 6' bed, they didn't seem to change the steering at all. The long wheelbase makes it great to handle on the highway, but it unfortunately has a horrid turning radius. Parking takes more effort to do right-- and for the love of God, do it right-- nothing is more obnoxious than going into a crowded lot and seeing a truck parked across two lanes because the driver can't manage it! A few other nits are that a sheet of plywood doesn't lie flat in the bed of the truck and hauling is of large items is limited by my camper shell.

    Mileage is a bit shy of OK. I get 18 if I use it to commute to work or drive around town, 20-22 on an average road trip. I've seen 25 before, but that was being *very* careful about my momentum and going very light on the go-pedal (more of an experiment during an road trip than expected results).

    Anyhow, it doesn't sound like you need anybody talking you into buying a truck-- just some thoughts on what to get and do with it. Mine is set up a lot like klay's with a cab-high shell and roof racks. I use a trailer-hitch bike rack because loading and unloading bikes in the back with the camper shell is a pain, and it saves room for the dogs!

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    I enjoy my 2002 Toyota Tundra. Seems to do the job. To be fair though it isn't my primary bike hauler.
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    I have had 5 ford trucks over the years, from the fastest (12 sec SVT lightning) to the slowest ( 4cyl ranger). I loved them all, in my opinion you can't go wrong with a Ford pickup, the one thing they do best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yurtinus
    No sense getting into an argument over what's a "truck" and what isn't (with regards to the Ridgeline, specifically)-- focus more on what you want! Look at the weights for the popups and travel trailers you're considering and make sure you have the towing capacity in whatever you pick. As for reliability-- everybody will have anecdotes either way on it.

    I have a Nissan Frontier quad cab with the full size bed, picked it up probably for the same reasons you're looking (camping, occasional light hauling, passengers, bikes). My requirements were:

    1) Long enough bed to sleep in (*most* quad cabs have a short bed, 5'something-- not very sleep-in-able)
    2) Quad cab (my car doesn't have passenger room )
    3) Fits easily in my garage
    4) Manual transmission (I'm old school like that)

    So, consider what you want out of it-- make a list and see what fits. I got the Nissan because it was available with a 6' bed and was a bit cheaper than the Tacoma. I love it, but I noticed smaller doesn't mean easier to maneuver. In making the Frontier with the 6' bed, they didn't seem to change the steering at all. The long wheelbase makes it great to handle on the highway, but it unfortunately has a horrid turning radius. Parking takes more effort to do right-- and for the love of God, do it right-- nothing is more obnoxious than going into a crowded lot and seeing a truck parked across two lanes because the driver can't manage it! A few other nits are that a sheet of plywood doesn't lie flat in the bed of the truck and hauling is of large items is limited by my camper shell.

    Mileage is a bit shy of OK. I get 18 if I use it to commute to work or drive around town, 20-22 on an average road trip. I've seen 25 before, but that was being *very* careful about my momentum and going very light on the go-pedal (more of an experiment during an road trip than expected results).

    Anyhow, it doesn't sound like you need anybody talking you into buying a truck-- just some thoughts on what to get and do with it. Mine is set up a lot like klay's with a cab-high shell and roof racks. I use a trailer-hitch bike rack because loading and unloading bikes in the back with the camper shell is a pain, and it saves room for the dogs!
    i looked at some of the dimensions of the full size trucks and i do see some limited sizes of beds when going with the full extended cab/crew size/quad crew or whatever else they call it. for example, when looking at the crewmax tundra the only bed available is a 5.5 footer. never thought about sleeping in it, but at 6'4 that would be tough. i do like the idea of getting a smaller truck like a tacoma or frontier- especially since i wouldn't need the bigger full size trucks.

    are the tacoma, frontier, and ridgeline in the same class?
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    My crewmax tundra has a 74" ish bed. But it's not the newest model.

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    My crewmax tundra has a 74" ish bed. But it's not the newest model.
    maybe something changed or it's just not available now with the 4.6L.
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    i also have first hand experience with a ridgeline and it'll handle 95% as much as what those other "diesel" trucks can do
    LOL!!!

    They invited the Ridgeline to an American party on "Trucks!" TV show and compared it with our glorious American heavy weights. Honda said it can handle whatever was tossed at it. They sure did put it to the test by having it haul/pull what the other 4 hauled/pulled up a hill and on flat roads.

    Guess what?

    It's a baby weight because the damn frame snapped and it also had poor traction.

    Btw, supposedly in 2012 all American companies must make their truck line be able to get 30+ mpg. Good luck to any of your outside competitors.

    Plain and simple. You should look into a Colorado/Canyon as they are decent v6 trucks. If you need something with power but not so much power then get a Silverado z71, F150, or a Ram. Nothing wrong with going used and nothing wrong with going new.

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    The Tacoma and Frontier are in the same class with the Dakota as a big-ish small truck. Above them you have the full sizers (F150, CK1500s, Ram, etcetc). A bit smaller are the Colorado/Canyon (which have i4 and i5 engines, no v6 last I checked, but no big deal for a truck that small) and the Ranger.

    The Ridgeline is a different beast altogether-- significantly smaller bed and unibody chassis. It has more in common (structurally) with an SUV like the Honda Pilot than it does the trucks. That's not an intent to knock on it at all, if it does what you want it's worth looking at.

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    trucks kick a**

    I've been driving Toyota 4 x 4's since I've had my license and they have been responsible for hauling my motocross bikes and mountain bikes. Of course they are great at packing up all the bikes and gear you could imagine needing for a ride but they are universal past simply hauling gear. I use a truck cap when I know I will be camping and sleep more comfortably than any of my friends in tents. It keeps the mosquitos out and I can use my in cab AC power adapter to inflate an air mattressand run a small fan while I sleep.
    A truck can also offer the option of setting up camp in more remote locations. Where ever it is legal it is always fun to lock in the four wheel drive and find a place more off the beaten path. There are also places that you can go to combine a weekend of rock crawling and mountain biking. Toyota's trucks (doesn't matter what year or engine) are phenominal off road machines.
    Just something to consider (sorry about typos, I did this from a phone).

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    i also have first hand experience with a ridgeline and it'll handle 95% as much as what those other "diesel" trucks can do. Do you plan to carry a bed full of bricks? steel? sand? If not then the ridgeline will be capable enough for you. It will also hold 3 large bikes with ease. If you want theres always the smart trailer hitch + bike rack option to leave your bed covered for luggage/bags/gear/your kid/etc =]

    theres really no beating the ridgeline in reliability. The domestics just don't match up
    That last statement is totally false. Ford two of them had over 250,000 miles on them before I parted ways show me a Honda with that. Domestics do match. Ford for the fact is the best selling vehicle in the us since 1982. Only Toyota made more Corollas than the f series trucks ( 32 million units where built). If domestic don't match then why is brand loyality so strong with trucks? Hondas are great motors but lately civics are having major trans issue. I also agree the Ridgeline is fairly troublefree.

    Sorry for going off the path and ranting, in getting back on the subject of which pickup. Thought about a compact. The only one I ever owned was a 91 Ford Ranger I owned was able to keep up with traffic and the 2.3L was almost troublefree. Head gasket failed at 180,000 miles (my first hands on mechanic job) and the truck was t boned from a red light runner at 237,000 miles. Mileage was great she got 26MPG. Wish I had that truck still it was my first and most loved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 23mjm
    I love it when people have no idea what they are talking about!!! Let me clear up the error of your 95% of what a diesel will do.

    Towing: Ridgeline 5000lbs, Chevy 13000lbs, = 38%
    Payload; Ridgeline 1546lbs, Chevy 3228lbs = 47%

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    No idea what they're talking about? 95% of the time my diesel is not towing at max capacity so that is kind of irrelevant. For most people that don't tow houses or 40' fifth wheels a Honda Ridgeline would do fine. It would be easier to drive every day and generally be cheaper to operate, so if it fits the needs why hammer it? Most don't need the capacity of a 3/4 ton or larger diesel pickup, so a smaller pickup is a better overall fit.

    One thing I have been lusting over for decades is the Aussie diesel Hilux p/u's, those would be an ideal truck for daily driving and mileage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daveydoo17
    That last statement is totally false. Ford two of them had over 250,000 miles on them before I parted ways show me a Honda with that. Domestics do match. Ford for the fact is the best selling vehicle in the us since 1982. Only Toyota made more Corollas than the f series trucks ( 32 million units where built). If domestic don't match then why is brand loyality so strong with trucks? Hondas are great motors but lately civics are having major trans issue. I also agree the Ridgeline is fairly troublefree.

    Sorry for going off the path and ranting, in getting back on the subject of which pickup. Thought about a compact. The only one I ever owned was a 91 Ford Ranger I owned was able to keep up with traffic and the 2.3L was almost troublefree. Head gasket failed at 180,000 miles (my first hands on mechanic job) and the truck was t boned from a red light runner at 237,000 miles. Mileage was great she got 26MPG. Wish I had that truck still it was my first and most loved.
    Honda's are known to be pretty dang reliable.
    http://www.hondabeat.com/highmiles.php
    Some over 300K, some over 400K.

    Any vehicle should last if taken care of. Of course, there are always some with problems that you can't see coming too.
    My dad's 07 F150 ate a pinion bearing around 40K.
    My friend's brother's 05 F150 had the transmission go out, and the rear pinion twice (they replaced the whole axle after the 2nd time), all under warranty. That truck is his baby, it's probably never hauled more than a cardboard box, and probably never seen 1/2 throttle.
    My uncle has a Colorado that spent most of it's 1st year in the shop getting head gaskets, a new head, and eventually a new engine. They ended up buying it back as a lemon.

    Myself, and several other's I've known have had Toyota pickups with over 200K on em.
    I could go on about my buddy's Honda with 300K on it, a Dodge with nearly a half million miles, F150 with over 300K, etc etc.

    You mention brand loyalty with pickups. It wasn't long ago that there was no full size truck options outside US brands. Plus, many people are just closed minded. My parents live in a small town, she drives a Tacoma. She had a run in with a neighbor at the post office that gave her the 3rd degree for "supporting the Japs". Many people think GM is the best, or Ford, or Dodge, with no reasoning to back it up. It's the same as someone loving Treks and hating Specialized, with no real reasons to back it up. My wife is this way. In her family Ford was a horrible 4 letter word. She absolutely hates Fords, and even admitts she's not sure why. She was just always told growing up that they were crap vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adam728
    Honda's are known to be pretty dang reliable.
    http://www.hondabeat.com/highmiles.php
    Some over 300K, some over 400K.

    Any vehicle should last if taken care of. Of course, there are always some with problems that you can't see coming too.
    My dad's 07 F150 ate a pinion bearing around 40K.
    My friend's brother's 05 F150 had the transmission go out, and the rear pinion twice (they replaced the whole axle after the 2nd time), all under warranty. That truck is his baby, it's probably never hauled more than a cardboard box, and probably never seen 1/2 throttle.
    My uncle has a Colorado that spent most of it's 1st year in the shop getting head gaskets, a new head, and eventually a new engine. They ended up buying it back as a lemon.

    Myself, and several other's I've known have had Toyota pickups with over 200K on em.
    I could go on about my buddy's Honda with 300K on it, a Dodge with nearly a half million miles, F150 with over 300K, etc etc.

    You mention brand loyalty with pickups. It wasn't long ago that there was no full size truck options outside US brands. Plus, many people are just closed minded. My parents live in a small town, she drives a Tacoma. She had a run in with a neighbor at the post office that gave her the 3rd degree for "supporting the Japs". Many people think GM is the best, or Ford, or Dodge, with no reasoning to back it up. It's the same as someone loving Treks and hating Specialized, with no real reasons to back it up. My wife is this way. In her family Ford was a horrible 4 letter word. She absolutely hates Fords, and even admitts she's not sure why. She was just always told growing up that they were crap vehicles.


    I am not one of those close minded. I look at Toys but options are very limited. Today can not get a four banger in reg four wheel drive. With the big three options are wide, because of that and products that perform brings them coming back. The fact is all auto companies are global so picking the three big due good old usa is no longer true. But there is nothing like a v8 pickup it American as apple pie

    For me as a kid Chevy was the way. Until I owned a Ford Ranger was first, the second a f150 with a 300 cid six and manual tans. Nicknamed it Mule andmade a great work truck. but now it is in rust heaven. I also like Toyota as we had a couple in the family. Now I like rams due to the personal experience. Never been crazy over Hondas but they great products (cars, bikes, small engines) same with Kias and Hyundais. Drove them but did not warm up to me. I would recommend them. But if someone wants a truck the Ridgeline is not on my list, as it not a truck. If they want a utility vehicle then I say go for it. Most SUVs today are station wagons and not trucks.

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    I've got a "pick-up" truck. I like it. Hauls.





    Would highly recommend one for anyone here who spends a lot of time outdoors, needs to carry gear, and travels all year around no matter the conditions. Not a bad daily driver either unless your doing all city miles.


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    Quote Originally Posted by daveydoo17
    That last statement is totally false. Ford two of them had over 250,000 miles on them before I parted ways show me a Honda with that. Domestics do match. Ford for the fact is the best selling vehicle in the us since 1982. Only Toyota made more Corollas than the f series trucks ( 32 million units where built). If domestic don't match then why is brand loyality so strong with trucks? Hondas are great motors but lately civics are having major trans issue. I also agree the Ridgeline is fairly troublefree.

    Sorry for going off the path and ranting, in getting back on the subject of which pickup. Thought about a compact. The only one I ever owned was a 91 Ford Ranger I owned was able to keep up with traffic and the 2.3L was almost troublefree. Head gasket failed at 180,000 miles (my first hands on mechanic job) and the truck was t boned from a red light runner at 237,000 miles. Mileage was great she got 26MPG. Wish I had that truck still it was my first and most loved.
    maybe GM and fords resale values will tell us how reliable they are after some years of usage. oh yea, they're not looking so good right now, compared to a Honda that is.

    I've had 2 accords in my family over 200k miles. 200k miles is nothing. i'm still driving them, a 97 and a 2000. both on original engine and tranny with only scheduled maintenance. No, i dont baby them either, they get driven into the ground in NYC roads. the 3rd accord i have is a 2005 ex v6 and is a pure pleasure to drive on a daily basis.

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    I have a 95 Nissan it has a little over 180k on it. And it has been problem free, v6/5spd and air is all you need! Oh yeah a bike tight is nice too
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    LOL NYC roads. I live in the south, own a f150, drive the dog **** out of it and it has NO problems.

    I dont care to even read this post. But get a domestic truck. If not you have to get the toyota. Let me clarify. The only "trucks" on this entire planet are made by Ford, Chevy, Dodge and Toyota.

    I give a vote for Ford since mine has never wronged me. Chevy's will get the job done fine and are good trucks. Dodges are expensive and are not bang for the buck/ are no better of a truck than the other two. Toyotas are nice but pricy too.

    Honda's "truck" is a panzy wagon. Also yall made the towing capabilities a topic. Really.... these are bikes not large trailers or other things of that sort. Just buy the truck that has the features you like. Done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordzilla36832
    LOL NYC roads. I live in the south, own a f150, drive the dog **** out of it and it has NO problems.

    I dont care to even read this post. But get a domestic truck. If not you have to get the toyota. Let me clarify. The only "trucks" on this entire planet are made by Ford, Chevy, Dodge and Toyota.

    I give a vote for Ford since mine has never wronged me. Chevy's will get the job done fine and are good trucks. Dodges are expensive and are not bang for the buck/ are no better of a truck than the other two. Toyotas are nice but pricy too.
    Nissans and Isuzus aren't trucks? What about GMC? Could go on and on with medium duty stuff, and over the road trucks. Point is, the "big" 3 plus Toyota aren't the only things out there.

    I don't think Dodge is that expensive. A 1/2 ton base model starts at $130 more than a base F150. Either one can be optioned to the moon too. I just went on Ford and Dodge's sites to check pricing. A F150 Harley Davidson edition optioned too the gills came in at $50,105. A Ram 1500 Laramie also stacked with everything hit $51,300. Neither are probably anything the original poster cares about though!
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    i stand corrected. I forgot about Nissans. The titan is a pretty sweet, very large truck. I'm not trying to come off as a douche even though I'm good at doing so.

    I was reading some of the post above about the v6 options. Stay away from them. I own one now, and it gets terrible gas mileage. Big truck, little motor = bad gas mileage.

    The F150 in my avatar pic is the v6. Ive had it for a while. When it was all stock it got about 16 miles to the gallon. I have heavily modified the motor to gain alot of power. I have sunk nearly 6 grand in motor parts. Not nearly worth it when you can get a crate v8 for 3000-5500 new. I now get about 18 to 20 mpg normal granny driving. If i get into i get about 5 gallons per mile. YEAH!!?!??! lol but its fun owning a v6 truck that can whoop the panties of a corvette without even trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordzilla36832
    LOL NYC roads. I live in the south, own a f150, drive the dog **** out of it and it has NO problems.

    I dont care to even read this post. But get a domestic truck. If not you have to get the toyota. Let me clarify. The only "trucks" on this entire planet are made by Ford, Chevy, Dodge and Toyota.

    I give a vote for Ford since mine has never wronged me. Chevy's will get the job done fine and are good trucks. Dodges are expensive and are not bang for the buck/ are no better of a truck than the other two. Toyotas are nice but pricy too.

    Honda's "truck" is a panzy wagon. Also yall made the towing capabilities a topic. Really.... these are bikes not large trailers or other things of that sort. Just buy the truck that has the features you like. Done.
    lol if your're going to make generalizations like that, then all fords and GM vehicles are unreliable and break down. who wants to spend $20-30,000 then have it break down and have to spend another $8000 on repairs in a few years? thats probably why ford and gm's resale value suck, because people know they'll have to pay even more for repairs on them.

    the honda ridgeline is MORE THAN CAPABLE to tow bikes, as many as you can put on the bed and on hitches. Nobody is talking about throwing on 5000 of metal or sand on the bed, or towing trailers.

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    The resale value of ford and GM vehicles doesn't suck. What generalization did I make? Maybe you didn't read the sentence where I said my truck has never gave me any problems. Why $8000 in repairs. That seems a little large.

    While you are correct that the Honda Whimpline is quite capable of what the OP wants, you sir fall into your own "generalization" argument. Who wants to spend money on the crappy Whimpline when you can get a 'real' truck for around the same amount. Second of all your "who wants to spend $20-30,000 then have it break down" argument fails. Nobody would. What does that even mean. ANY vehicle is liable to breaking down. Who would spend $80,000 on a nice car to have it break down? Who would build a house for $500,000 to have a pipe freeze in year 2? Who would go get a job to perhaps get laid off or fired down the road? Your argument is stupid.

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    YEAH!!?!??! lol but its fun owning a v6 truck that can whoop the panties of a corvette without even trying.
    I should start a debate about that comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordzilla36832
    Big truck, little motor = bad gas mileage.
    Agreed!

    12 years ago I had a 92 Chevy 1500 4wd Work Truck. 4.3 liter V6 and an automatic pushing around a long bed 4x4 with 3.42 gears. Mileage wasn't too great. My dad then got a 98 K2500 with the Vortec 350. Physically the trucks were the same size (reg cab, long beds, 4wd, on ~32" tires). He had 90hp more than me, way more torque, and usually pulled 2-3 mpg better.

    I now have another 92 Chevy, a 2wd 3/4 ton with huge work boxes and a capper. Heavy duty everything (it's the heavier of the 3/4 tons offered that year, 8500 gvwr, 14 bolt rear end, 4L80E trans, etc). 350 and auto, I think it gets the same mpg my old truck got, yet has much more grunt to it (still dog slow by todays standards, but is rated to tow up to 10,000 lbs, just not quickly).
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    Quote Originally Posted by fordzilla36832
    The resale value of ford and GM vehicles doesn't suck. What generalization did I make? Maybe you didn't read the sentence where I said my truck has never gave me any problems. Why $8000 in repairs. That seems a little large.

    While you are correct that the Honda Whimpline is quite capable of what the OP wants, you sir fall into your own "generalization" argument. Who wants to spend money on the crappy Whimpline when you can get a 'real' truck for around the same amount. Second of all your "who wants to spend $20-30,000 then have it break down" argument fails. Nobody would. What does that even mean. ANY vehicle is liable to breaking down. Who would spend $80,000 on a nice car to have it break down? Who would build a house for $500,000 to have a pipe freeze in year 2? Who would go get a job to perhaps get laid off or fired down the road? Your argument is stupid.
    aw don't cry, seems like i hurt your feelings

    honda doesn't even make pickups, they've never made one in the past. they started to sell the ridgeline in 2005 (i think as a 2006 model?) and in 2006 the ridgeline won truck of the year. how the **** can ford and GM and chrysler (yea, w/e chrysler) let Honda do this? don't americans pwn in making trucks? What honda does know is how to make good reliable cars with engines that last forever. honda originated as an engine company.

    dont cry tho, thank god i'm not in the market for a pickup truck, i'd hate to get opinions like yours

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeSATORI
    I've got a "pick-up" truck. I like it. Hauls.
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    oh yeah, haha, just got me on the podium last week in Novice in an SCCA TSD Rally too! 3rd place in our first attempt! whoohoo, that was a blast!
    Man, you had me. I had to look up that rally. I was thinking something like the Atlanta Snow Drift or Lake Superior Pro Rally, and was trying to figure out how in the heck you raced that thing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    aw don't cry, seems like i hurt your feelings

    honda doesn't even make pickups, they've never made one in the past. they started to sell the ridgeline in 2005 (i think as a 2006 model?) and in 2006 the ridgeline won truck of the year. how the **** can ford and GM and chrysler (yea, w/e chrysler) let Honda do this? don't americans pwn in making trucks? What honda does know is how to make good reliable cars with engines that last forever. honda originated as an engine company.

    dont cry tho, thank god i'm not in the market for a pickup truck, i'd hate to get opinions like yours
    I'm not crying. Your the one that has your panties in a wad.
    I give you my opinion, since having owned/been around trucks my whole life I felt that I could weigh in on the situation.

    2 things i must say. My parents owned a 89 honda civic that was a pile of crap. Not generalizing that they all are, but theirs was.
    Other thing I must flame about is the tard statement that the Ridgeline won truck of the year. Who gives them the award? Probably a bunch of tards that don't know what the hell a pickup is/is supposed to do.We all know that means nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordzilla36832
    Other thing I must flame about is the tard statement that the Ridgeline won truck of the year.
    It was probably given the award because it was a new interesting design that offered a more car like feel than other trucks. It seems to be a common trend now that to be a "truck" you have to have the most car like ride and most luxury features rather building a truck for what it is a tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tussery
    It was probably given the award because it was a new interesting design that offered a more car like feel than other trucks. It seems to be a common trend now that to be a "truck" you have to have the most car like ride and most luxury features rather building a truck for what it is a tool.
    Agreed. If you notice most new trucks have more car like features, accessories, and other accommodations that aren't per say duty minded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelerfreak
    No idea what they're talking about? 95% of the time my diesel is not towing at max capacity so that is kind of irrelevant. For most people that don't tow houses or 40' fifth wheels a Honda Ridgeline would do fine. It would be easier to drive every day and generally be cheaper to operate, so if it fits the needs why hammer it? Most don't need the capacity of a 3/4 ton or larger diesel pickup, so a smaller pickup is a better overall fit.

    One thing I have been lusting over for decades is the Aussie diesel Hilux p/u's, those would be an ideal truck for daily driving and mileage.

    Then he should have said that a Ridgeline will do all that 95% people need. Not that a Ridgline will do 95% of what a diesel will do!!! Big difference and had you read and comprehended my whole post I even said the Ridgeline will work for most!!!!!
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    I've got 170,000 salty winter, rough miles (I live on a series of ~4 miles of private unmaintained gravel road which are travelled daily) on my GMC truck up there, and maybe you can get a taste of how I drive it just from that one of those photos I posted, haha! I can post more. Same 5.3l LS-base motor and 4L60e trans it came off the line with.
    Thing is my trusty side-kick.

    I've owned Honda's in the past as well, and find this truck nothing below par (and even more aftermarket support). I knew the Domestic vs. Import argument would flare up in this thread, and I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire as I'm pretty biased either way, but seriously, if the Big Three have done anything right at all in the recent past, it's their Trucks. It was their bread and butter that they have kept rolling along all the while with all their hopes riding on while most of their passenger cars have fallen off the scale.


    If you're looking at buying new, and worried about resale, I'd be looking at the Ford Raptor. Nothing but RAVE reviews on the thing, even from the most conservative reviewers out there! Even the US Border Patrol has a large number on order for work duty. Simply put, it is "The Baddest and Most Capable Truck ever produced", no doubt about it, whether you're a blue oval fan or not there's no denying.

    If you're considering going with a unibody type vehicle like the Ridgeline, instead of an actual body on frame "Pick-up Truck" like your title states, you may also want to take a glance at the Subaru Baja.
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    This thread has lost its way and turned into a holy war-- cut it out, guys. There's really no reason to argue over what's a "real truck" and what isn't. It is counter productive and nobody is going to change anybody's minds. We're just detracting from the advice we're trying to give. What matters is that the vehicle will do what the guy wants.

    Also-- while there is some truth to an underpowered engine hurting your gas mileage, it is only when the engine is *truly* underpowered for what you're trying to do. Hauling or towing large loads in a V6-- you'll likely see a spike in gas consumption that the larger engines won't have. For light (city/highway driving) use though, the EPA ratings are still an accurate baseline (which may still sometimes indicate the smaller engine is lower mileage).

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    Quote Originally Posted by yurtinus
    This thread has lost its way and turned into a holy war-- cut it out, guys. There's really no reason to argue over what's a "real truck" and what isn't. It is counter productive and nobody is going to change anybody's minds. We're just detracting from the advice we're trying to give. What matters is that the vehicle will do what the guy wants.
    so in the end, the ridgeline fits the bill
    -reliable honda heritage
    -high resale value
    -high quality interior
    -drives like a car, and doesn't roll like a fat truck
    -holds as many bikes and as much gear as you can throw on the bed or on the hitch
    -brand that doesn't ask the government for money from their citizens and forces them to pay more taxes for it.

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    ... You missed my point. The Ridgeline fits *your* bill and may meet all of your criteria, but you are not the original poster and these are not necessarily his requirements. I'm not going to get into a line by line counterpoint because that's just feeding the flames here-- but simply put, a *lot* of what you posted are opinions based on what you want. That's all fine and good, but there really is no wrong answer here.... Except maybe the Mitsubishi Raider...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yurtinus
    ... You missed my point. The Ridgeline fits *your* bill and may meet all of your criteria, but you are not the original poster and these are not necessarily his requirements. I'm not going to get into a line by line counterpoint because that's just feeding the flames here-- but simply put, a *lot* of what you posted are opinions based on what you want. That's all fine and good, but there really is no wrong answer here.... Except maybe the Mitsubishi Raider...
    Lol that's funny! Isint that a face only a mother could love(the raider) and why can everyone in the world get a turbo diesel Tacoma but us in the USA? I just want to know ?BTW I own a 05 Tacoma prerunner 2.7 L and I get about 25-27 mpg. And my next truck is defanatly gonna be a ridgeline!
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    Bought a 04 Tacoma in 04 and never looked back. I love it but then again here in Hawaii you kind of need a truck. I went from a 8mpg big block V8 1988 Bronco to my Tacoma and get about 17mpg. That switch to me made my gas mileage seem really good!

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    i enjoy the back and forth "arguments" if that's what you call them- a lot of good points come out of it.

    i wouldn't have known about the ridgeline not being a real truck- learning about the chasis and/or frame helps.

    Quote Originally Posted by yurtinus
    ... You missed my point. The Ridgeline fits *your* bill and may meet all of your criteria, but you are not the original poster and these are not necessarily his requirements. I'm not going to get into a line by line counterpoint because that's just feeding the flames here-- but simply put, a *lot* of what you posted are opinions based on what you want. That's all fine and good, but there really is no wrong answer here.... Except maybe the Mitsubishi Raider...
    the ridgeline does looks like it would fit my bill, but i don't know what the future holds for my needs. i like the idea of going the route of possibly a smaller truck like a tacoma or colorado but then it's not a ton more to go the route of a full size like a f150 or silverado and i'm getting a much bigger truck and i'm thinking much more capable, but am i over doing it? not sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    aw don't cry, seems like i hurt your feelings

    honda doesn't even make pickups, they've never made one in the past. they started to sell the ridgeline in 2005 (i think as a 2006 model?) and in 2006 the ridgeline won truck of the year. how the **** can ford and GM and chrysler (yea, w/e chrysler) let Honda do this? don't americans pwn in making trucks? What honda does know is how to make good reliable cars with engines that last forever. honda originated as an engine company.

    dont cry tho, thank god i'm not in the market for a pickup truck, i'd hate to get opinions like yours
    Honda engines will never last FOREVER. Honda reliable cars hmm check on line history of trans problems are common I did owned a Honda and replaced it after six months why more road noise than anything I owned. Handle like crap, but I like rear drive and never a fan of front drive. It was used and over 90,000 miles the chassis creeked and thumped over bumps. Trade it for wife Kia which was like the Honda, a good car that handle driving to work and back. Honda's engines like I said are great but not perfect. You are right about the history of Honda it did start as a engine company Car of the year and truck of the year can be crap title. Look at what Honda was running against to win the title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    i enjoy the back and forth "arguments" if that's what you call them- a lot of good points come out of it.

    i wouldn't have known about the ridgeline not being a real truck- learning about the chasis and/or frame helps.



    the ridgeline does looks like it would fit my bill, but i don't know what the future holds for my needs. i like the idea of going the route of possibly a smaller truck like a tacoma or colorado but then it's not a ton more to go the route of a full size like a f150 or silverado and i'm getting a much bigger truck and i'm thinking much more capable, but am i over doing it? not sure.
    don't over-do yourself. by going to a bigger truck than you need you will be killing gas mileage and carrying extra weight.

    stick with something reliable that will last you until you no longer need, then you can sell it and still get a lot of your money back

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    Hey Blksocks,

    You said you had "70 45 lbs bags of mulch on the bed and 340+ bags on a trailer " using a 1/2 ton.

    70 x 45 = 3150 lbs in the bed
    340 x 45 = 15300 lbs on a trailer

    umm...

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    Maybe he meant 34 in the trailer? And I don't think 70 bags would fit in the bed??

    Anyway I dont have a pickup, but close. I have a 2000 Chevy Blazer because I people haul more than I stuff haul. And with the rear seats folded down i have a 6'6'' bed that is nice and toasty to sleep in/put stuff in

    But I am kinda doubting my decision to get a Blazer over a 4 door S10, but its bought and paid for and im running it into the ground. Next time it will (hopefully) be a small pickup with a turbo diesel

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    In my opinion, if it ain't a diesel, it ain't a truck.




    there's a real truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikeeveryday
    In my opinion, if it ain't a diesel, it ain't a truck.




    there's a real truck.
    In my opinion you have a chrysler built around a good motor. Which in my opinion is unfortunate.

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    biggest thing with buying a truck is don't skimp. If you get the smaller cab/smaller engine you will regret it. Quad/crew cabs account for about 72% of all truck purchases in the last 5 years (excluding fleet/service purchases). My advise is get a v8 and get a quad or crew cab model. The choice there being what you'd use the bed for. the crew bed is about 6-8 inches shorter than a quad but gives you that back in interior room. While I wanted the interior room of a crew I NEEDED the extra length in the bed so I settled on a quad. I have a standard 2 car garage and mine is 1.5" too long to close the door. All in all I'll never go back to SUVs. I have the luxury of a suv/car and the capability of a work truck. Trucks have come a long way in creature comforts since the day of the bench seat.

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    yea....

    Quote Originally Posted by tussery
    In my opinion you have a chrysler built around a good motor. Which in my opinion is unfortunate.
    true, but no other company puts a cummins in a pick up though, unless you get a ford f650.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tussery
    In my opinion you have a chrysler built around a good motor. Which in my opinion is unfortunate.
    +1 LOL Much agreed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikeeveryday
    true, but no other company puts a cummins in a pick up though, unless you get a ford f650.....
    Chrysler may not be putting them in a pickup. They canceled their contract with Cummins. Cummins was supposedly still in talks trying to get a new one signed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 23mjm
    Then he should have said that a Ridgeline will do all that 95% people need. Not that a Ridgline will do 95% of what a diesel will do!!! Big difference and had you read and comprehended my whole post I even said the Ridgeline will work for most!!!!!
    How will a Ridgleline not do 95% of what a diesel will do? Seriously, answer it. How will a Honda Ridgeline not do 95% of what a diesel will do? A diesel is not by definition a 3/4 ton or larger full size American p/u, it is an engine. And even at that, 95% of the time those pickups are not hauling max payload or GCWR, just the weight of the driver and maybe one passenger.

    And this whole thread has become a huge hijack. Pickups are very useful and versatile, and a means for many to compare penis size.
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    haha

    Dude are you serious? First off, a cummins turbo diesel, (I6 turbocharged) engine, makes something called torque, (600 ft/lbs STOCK) you will not get very much of that in a ridgeline. It can pull. It can get 25mpg highway (manual, small tires) It can average 15/17 city. It is a DIESEL. The engines can run for 1 million miles, and then some. And it's better for the environment - urea injection in the future, the current 6.7 liters feature a dpf, diesel particulate filter. It can beat a ridgeline in a race. Overall, diesel is the way to go. I will never drive a gas vehicle. Oh, and when we run out of fossil fuels, (if that isn't a myth) we can make bio diesel. Try putting that in the little honda ricer. Honda ridgelines make 247 ft/lbs of torque, which is nothing.

    I'm just not a fan of little gas engines, they suck.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummins_B_Series_engine

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    I don't have a little bed, so I can actually fit things in the back of my truck.

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    Sounds like you have penis issues.

    The one thing you forget to mention is that the diesel option on a 2010 Dodge 2500 is $7600 USD....thats a lot of gasoline. And not many people are ever going to need 600 ft/lbs of torque, let alone 300.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikeeveryday
    Dude are you serious? First off, a cummins turbo diesel, (I6 turbocharged) engine, makes something called torque, (600 ft/lbs STOCK) you will not get very much of that in a ridgeline. It can pull. It can get 25mpg highway (manual, small tires) It can average 15/17 city. It is a DIESEL. The engines can run for 1 million miles, and then some. And it's better for the environment - urea injection in the future, the current 6.7 liters feature a dpf, diesel particulate filter. It can beat a ridgeline in a race. Overall, diesel is the way to go. I will never drive a gas vehicle. Oh, and when we run out of fossil fuels, (if that isn't a myth) we can make bio diesel. Try putting that in the little honda ricer. Honda ridgelines make 247 ft/lbs of torque, which is nothing.

    I'm just not a fan of little gas engines, they suck.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummins_B_Series_engine

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    I don't have a little bed, so I can actually fit things in the back of my truck.
    honestly, nobody cares about that. you're not going to be carrying weight at the vehicle's max capacity, nor towing capacity, nor anything. you have a small penis.

    if you cannot back up all your statements as facts, then your post must be discreditted as crap. find proof that every single cummings engine or w/e is guaranteed to last 1 million miles. and that they get 17/25 real world mpg, not under ideal circumstances, or under inflated EPA ratings which is "what the mfg says"

    the ridgeline will do 95% of what any other pickup truck can do

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    oh my god pull your heads out of your ....

    http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/0...500/index.html

    you know nothing about cummins engines.

    They are rated for a rebuild at 300k, then, it's up to you to see how much longer they will go.

    Some people do tow things like construction equipment, that you need a diesel for.

    Oh, and I can't back up the mileage statement 100% but cummins do get good mileage. It's all in the right foot, and the gearing/ tranny combination/ tire size. Believe me, 25mpg is completely possible.

    Personally, I don't even think ridgelines are a truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    honestly, nobody cares about that. you're not going to be carrying weight at the vehicle's max capacity, nor towing capacity, nor anything. you have a small penis.

    if you cannot back up all your statements as facts, then your post must be discreditted as crap. find proof that every single cummings engine or w/e is guaranteed to last 1 million miles. and that they get 17/25 real world mpg, not under ideal circumstances, or under inflated EPA ratings which is "what the mfg says"

    the ridgeline will do 95% of what any other pickup truck can do

    You don't even know how to spell the manufacture. It's CUMMINS there is no G on the end, just goes to show how much you know about VP44 injection pumps, holset turbo chargers, bosch piezoelectric injectors, grid heaters and anything cummins related. Face it, you're ignorant.

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    Wouldn't be worthless if people actually knew about diesel engines and weren't so close minded. Diesel>Gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikeeveryday
    Wouldn't be worthless if people actually knew about diesel engines and weren't so close minded. Diesel>Gas.
    I don't see anyone here being closed minded about diesel vs gas. I see you spouting off about how great it is to have a heavy duty pickup and all the power it has in a thread where the question was about a pickup for hauling BICYCLES, possibly towing a small camper. That doesn't take 600 ft-lbs.

    If your livelyhood depends on hauling heavy stuff, than yes, a big diesel truck is the way to go. But that doesn't mean everyone needs one.
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    entertaining the say the least. wow. to each their own. yeah, some guys know more about trucks than others- big deal.

    the great great majorty of the folks don't need the dodge 2500 $45K+ truck. yeah, looks like a nice truck, but a smaller/less powerful truck can definitely do what most need. same thing as needing the 540hp on the shelby gt. but if you like fast cars, you like fast cars. you don't need one, you just want one.

    crazy how the diesel is $7600 more- that's a nice 2700+ gallons of gas. i would never buy a dodge/chrysler anyway because of past horrible experiences with them.

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    I'll chime in my opinion on diesel vs gas...

    I think anybody that sits around to listen will realize that to power a vehicle, diesel is a better fuel. It has more energy per unit mass. However, at least in the US, diesel is not available in a smaller light-duty truck (think Colorado/Tacoma sized). As far as I know there is no small diesel powered truck on the market (though there is one coming pretty soon-- Mihandra I think?).

    There is definitely close mindedness in the States about diesel, but it's more damaging to our selection of cars than trucks at the moment. Tides are turning though, we're seeing some change and at last some options!

    Eric-- Good luck in your search, hopefully you got some useful information (y'know, gleaning between the holy war over big vs little, everybody vs Ridgeline, etc ). Best advice I have is to keep your mind open and focus on what you want-- it really doesn't matter what other people think you should get.

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    My 2007 F150 XLT 4X4 is great. Best truck I've ever owned! Pictured is my FSR on a home made rack for the F150.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yurtinus
    Eric-- Good luck in your search, hopefully you got some useful information (y'know, gleaning between the holy war over big vs little, everybody vs Ridgeline, etc ). Best advice I have is to keep your mind open and focus on what you want-- it really doesn't matter what other people think you should get.
    thanks, man! i did get some useful stuff between the bickering- actually a lot. i'll for sure keep my mind open- i'll just have to check out the legroom in the smaller trucks to see if i like the room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drag_slick
    Hey Blksocks,

    You said you had "70 45 lbs bags of mulch on the bed and 340+ bags on a trailer " using a 1/2 ton.

    70 x 45 = 3150 lbs in the bed
    340 x 45 = 15300 lbs on a trailer

    umm...
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    That's why I love my truck. I wont lie though... having to put 70 WET bags of 45lbs bags of mulch on the bed did scare me because the bed was inches from the rear tires and It bounced a whole lot at times while driving on the highway. As for the pulling of 340? I probably exaggerated a bit. I'm going to say close to 300 + ez - dump trailer weight. I know farmers here who have put their 1500HD, 2500HD, and 3500's through a lot more hell and here I am using a z71.

    That's why I'm hell bent on the OP buying American because I have stories of guys with Tundras or Titans and couldn't even do what GMC, Chevy, Ford, and Dodge can do. V6 or V8 you will just be buy quality!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blksocks
    Gotta love hauling stuff that you hardly notice you're even hauling. 70 45 lbs bags of mulch on the bed and 340+ bags on a trailer ...wet mulch at that and you can't really tell the difference from hauling and not hauling!..................................


    That's why I love my truck. I wont lie though... having to put 70 WET bags of 45lbs bags of mulch on the bed did scare me because the bed was inches from the rear tires and It bounced a whole lot at times while driving on the highway.
    So which is it, you couldn't tell a difference loaded vs empty, or it was freighting because you were dangerously overloaded?

    To me your advice becomes less credible when you boast about grossly overloading your vehicle while operating it on public roads. You can be ticketed for that, or worse, if you were to be involved in an accident you'd be SOL. Manufactures have payload and towing capacities for a reason, SAFETY. Right tool for the job, and a half ton pickup isn't the right tool for hauling a ton and a half of payload, or towing 7+ tons.

    And if you do those things, and then brag about it on a public forum, be prepared to be told what an idiot you are.


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    i've never owned a pick-up truck, but like the idea of them. what do i need to know? i would like a 4-door extended cab 4x4. i'm open to any manufacturers and heard good things about the reliability of toyotas.

    i don't know a lot about trucks other than i've been very pleased with the amount of leg room in some of the 4-door extended cab ones- only car where i didn't have to have my seat all the way back for me being 6'4. also, i know their mpg rating isn't very good.

    i don't care as much about many options outside of power windows, locks, etc. don't know if i would need sportier suspension or anything like that.

    eventually i would pull a pop-up camper or something like that.

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    I had a PU (1986 Toyota 4x4) for about 10 years. I lived somewhere that I needed a very tough vehicle with clearance just to get in and out of (1 mile up a dirt road that was at times more like a fire trail) and also needed it for hauling stuff like firewood, pulling out other cars that got stuck, and sometimes for the carpentry business if the van was out. I really loved it for those years. Also, when driving on road trips out west, it was interesting to be able to take some of the backroads that required a bit of clearance.

    That said, once I moved off of the mountain and was out of the building business, I did not really need it much, and in 2003 I got rid of it and have only missed the PU on a few rare occasions. If you need to haul big stuff on a somewhat regular basis, PU are very useful. I would still consider one as a 2nd vehicle in certain cases, but as an only vehicle I would need to live back on that fire road with a wood stove to own one as my only vehicle again.

    A 4x4 PU with a 4-door cab and full length bed certainly IS a very versatile vehicle, but for me, Something like an Outback or CR-V just makes more sense, overall.

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    So which is it, you couldn't tell a difference loaded vs empty, or it was freighting because you were dangerously overloaded?

    To me your advice becomes less credible when you boast about grossly overloading your vehicle while operating it on public roads. You can be ticketed for that, or worse, if you were to be involved in an accident you'd be SOL. Manufactures have payload and towing capacities for a reason, SAFETY. Right tool for the job, and a half ton pickup isn't the right tool for hauling a ton and a half of payload, or towing 7+ tons.

    And if you do those things, and then brag about it on a public forum, be prepared to be told what an idiot you are.


    Sorryt for taking this derailed post even further off track.
    Why did you write a whiner post to something I had to do ONCE in order to get a job done. Sorry if I didn't obey the estimated limit just to get a job done and got it done right. Ooooh, you think just because the bed bounced some that it was hazardous to others? Sorry but it was not hazardous to others and passing state troopers waiting to give tickets was a breeze.

    Since you are the hall monitor of towing capacities I will raise my right hand and say that I will not put my truck through abuse unless one of our WTs are busy. And why should I care about what little terds like yourself write about what I do? I'm just going to read it and laugh then go to bed and wake up to another day.

    Ty for your concern but the job got done and no accident happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blksocks
    Why did you write a whiner post to something I had to do ONCE in order to get a job done. Sorry if I didn't obey the estimated limit just to get a job done and got it done right. Ooooh, you think just because the bed bounced some that it was hazardous to others? Sorry but it was not hazardous to others and passing state troopers waiting to give tickets was a breeze.

    Since you are the hall monitor of towing capacities I will raise my right hand and say that I will not put my truck through abuse unless one of our WTs are busy. And why should I care about what little terds like yourself write about what I do? I'm just going to read it and laugh then go to bed and wake up to another day.

    Ty for your concern but the job got done and no accident happen.
    You are the one that said it scared you, was riding way low in the back, and bounced a lot driving down the freeway. From your claims you exceeded your payload by more than double, and towing capacity by easily the same. That IS an accident waiting to happen.
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    Eric, what did you decide?

    I've seen everyone talking about this or that truck but no one has asked you if it will be a daily driver or a second vehicle. This makes a huge difference. Big trucks make poor commuting vehicles (as do big SUVs). Poor city mileage and difficult to park in many places.

    For me, I own a 1997 Chevy Silverado Ext cab 4x4 with a Vortec 5700. It's now a second car that gets driven 3-5k miles per year and constantly delivers 20 MPG on the highway. You can pick up these trucks for $5-7k today and they will pull and tow anything with the rest of them. I did use it for daily commuting for a couple years and I wouldn't do that again. The truck will only fit in my garage if I store the bike in the bed .

    I wouldn't consider buying a new truck of any make, the resale of trucks is down a lot in the past few years and there are lots of good buys on used ones from 2002-2005.
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    i still have some time to decide so i'm in good shape, but i'm leaning toward a truck like tundra, f150, silverado, etc. my wife and i would have 2 cars and the truck would be one of them. my plan is to work from home (ideally when we move to co) so my car would be like the second/extra vehicle- regular commuting and city driving would be our hyundai elantra.

    i think the ridgeline and smaller trucks mostly fit the bill, but the beds are small. a 5.5' bed won't even fit my bike standing up in the bed. like i mentioned in previous posts, it's important to have comfortable seating for 4 or 5. i thought i would have to go the route of a crewmax or similar, but learned that the extended cab models have as much legroom in the back as the smaller trucks like the canyon/colorado. i like the tundra because the extended cab is still a traditional 4-door. additionally, in the extended cab models, i can still get the standard bed size.

    since it will still be a little while to buy, i can wait and look for some used deals out there- i have no issues buying a truck a few years old, or even older.

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    Eric - sounds like a good plan. If you plan to do any real towing, a BOF pickup is the way to go (avoid the Ridgeline). The Canyon/Colorado are almost the size of my truck. The extended cabs in the new FS trucks are very big and roomy, and as you noted, you still get a full bed in the back.

    FYI: I saw a 2005 Silvy crew cab 4wd 5.3 V8 w/80k miles for 15k a few months ago. That's a great deal and these deals are getting much more common than they used to be. Fords are even cheaper in the used market. Expect to pay the fake "Toyota" premium for those trucks, and if it's an older model, be sure to check for frame rust. It's a huge issue on the Tundra's.

    With Ford, if you plan to do any towing, get the 5.4L. The 4.6L is anemic if you fully load it down with a popup, kids, bikes, etc. Ford is the most common truck and has resale values generally below the GM products but above the Dodge.

    GM - the 5.3L is the best engine of the bunch, it gets the same MPG as the 4.8L but with more HP. That said, the 4.8L is miles ahead of the Ford 4.6L and I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a 4.8L powered truck for the right deal.

    Dodge: Hemi is strong in the upper end, Dodge trucks seem to have lower resale value due to the "Chrysler" name, but the trucks are solid and should perform well. If you could move to a 2WD you could get a mid-2000s model for pocket change.

    Toyota - I don't know much about them but beware of frame rust.

    Nissan - this truck will be discontinued in a few years but those who own them now swear by them, and the 5.4 is a powerful beast. Beware of gas mileage.

    As I stated earlier, there is now a truck glut and lots of good bargains to be had. Things to watch out for is towing abuse (including 5th wheel holes in the bed, body damage, lots of miles, etc.

    Just last week I stopped in a Chevy dealer to pick up something and they had a 2006 crew cab with "sport" wheels (i.e. modified by a city slicker), fully loaded, without a scratch in the bed or a scratch in the hitch. These are the kind of buy for the right deal.
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    ^ ^ thanks for the tips! i know what you mean about the 2wd and good deals, but i want 4x4 since it will be used in the winter months- especially when we're in co.

    i doubt i'm going to be pulling anything more than a popup- i don't even own one of those now. it may even take a while for me to convert over to anything but car camping, but like the benefits of a camper. i like the benefits of the extended cabs and standard beds- perfect for me. i of course still need to drive all of these. i want them to be comfy even though i won't always be taking long road trips with them- probably moving out to co we'll drive it but when coming back to chicago, we'll drive our smaller car (at least that's what i'm thinking now).

    i like your tips about seeing how "used" the truck actually is. i feel a little odd buying a truck with over 75k though.

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    yeah man I hear ya, I do a lot of camping myself but can't justify having a popup.

    One thing to consider is, if you're trying to save money, drop the mileage requirement. I see lots of nice trucks that are 7-10 years old with 100k miles that still have tons of life left in them. What I would be wary of is a 2-3 year old truck with 75-100k miles. They've been run hard. Two trucks ago I bought a Chevy with 146k miles and sold it at 166k. Current truck has 105k miles and runs great.

    A well cared for GM truck should easily go 200k miles. Easy signs of abuse are beds, tailgates, dents and dings, frame rust, 5th wheel goosenecks, and conditions of seats, especially the GM leather on the driver seat. The exhaust system on any recent truck should last the life of the vehicle, and a replacement should bring concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blksocks
    Never settle for a 2 WD truck.
    not everybody needs 4wd. if you get 4wd and never use it you still have to maintain it. so if you don't need 4wd then don't get 4wd.
    i used to sell cars and it would always piss me off when soccer moms wanted 4wd just cause they want 4wd.


    the only truck i've had was a 70 chevy c10. sold the truck right before our daughter was born. i really miss that truck.
    gonna be buying a 95-04 tacoma in february hopefully. we don't need a big truck or 4wd.
    however we will be looking for 4wd over 2wd just cause we would use it every now and then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    ^ ^ thanks for the tips! i know what you mean about the 2wd and good deals, but i want 4x4 since it will be used in the winter months- especially when we're in co.

    i doubt i'm going to be pulling anything more than a popup- i don't even own one of those now. it may even take a while for me to convert over to anything but car camping, but like the benefits of a camper. i like the benefits of the extended cabs and standard beds- perfect for me. i of course still need to drive all of these. i want them to be comfy even though i won't always be taking long road trips with them- probably moving out to co we'll drive it but when coming back to chicago, we'll drive our smaller car (at least that's what i'm thinking now).

    i like your tips about seeing how "used" the truck actually is. i feel a little odd buying a truck with over 75k though.

    thanks again.
    make sure you don't "overbuy" many people buy more car than they will EVER need. Such as those with SUV's that are only used to get around town that a station wagon/minivan can do. or those that buy large SUV's and carry nothing more than a bike or two that my CR-V can carry.

    I'm very sure a ridgeline can carry what you're demanding. In doing so, you're making a smarter purchase by getting more car than your money in the long run. Honda's have THE HIGHEST resale value of any car manf on the market. if/when you decide to sell it, you will get MUCH more than any domestic truck is worth, which is very little. Honda engines will also last much longer than those of GM/Fords. People telling you there personal stories here are nothing more than single instances out of millions. look on the larger picture; which cars are known for their reliability and fuel efficiency <~ do you care about that?) Honda's reputation doesn't just exist because 1 person had a good experience with it. i'm on my 5th Honda within my immediate family, guess why? each one has lasted 10+ years 200k+miles on barely any maintenance (such as those scheduled.)

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    ^^ sky, you bring up good points, but the price difference isn't that much different between the ridgeline and the extended cab tundra- ridgeline may have more options and even drive like a car- not sure if care about that. i also like the bigger bed so my bikes would actually fit in it. i guess i could get the tailgate extender. regardless, i'll take a look at all my options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by micycle mike
    if you get 4wd and never use it you still have to maintain it.
    how is maintaining a 4wd different than a 2wd? not being a smart azz; i really don't know. thanks. ez
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    how is maintaining a 4wd different than a 2wd? not being a smart azz; i really don't know. thanks. ez
    you need to do fluid changes on the front diff and the transfer case, there is also 2 drive shafts instead of one. depending on the shafts you need to lube them.

    even if you don't use the 4wd you still need to do the fluid changes with routine maintenance.
    last place i worked at charged $25 to drain and fill the transfer case and $25 to drain and fill the front diff. that's an extra $50 for something you never use. (if you never use it)
    i can tell by what you are saying that you need 4wd, but a lot of people just want 4wd cause it's cool, but they don't realize it's costing you mpg and maintenance costs
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    thanks, mike. good to know about the extra maintenance- didn't know that. i think i would use it- they key is when we move. i would even use it here in the chicago area but not nearly as much since i can get by with my regular cars. i do think it's funny about people who get 4wd and barely use or some i know don't even know how to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    thanks, mike. good to know about the extra maintenance- didn't know that.
    no problem man.
    good luck finding a truck, make sure you test drive all of the trucks you are thinking about buying.
    a lot of people buy the first car they test drive.
    it also helps to bring a friend (not wife) with you to help point out the things that suck about each one.
    the things you are gonna notice after 2 weeks of driving it.
    when i sold cars and i had someone looking at 2 or more different vehicles i always had them make a list of things they liked about each car and things they disliked about each car.
    you should also make a list of things you need to have and things you want to have.
    when you get caught up in the moment of buying a car, needs and wants blur together and cause problems. i recommend bringing your bike too and making sure it fits in the bed good. a few inches too short will suck if you didn't realize it before you bought it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    i'm leaning toward a truck like tundra, f150, silverado, etc.

    like i mentioned in previous posts, it's important to have comfortable seating for 4 or 5. i thought i would have to go the route of a crewmax or similar, but learned that the extended cab models have as much legroom in the back as the smaller trucks
    The Tundra extended cab back row isn't very comfortable for a full grown adult. The seating is too upright and very short on leg room.

    I've driven the newer f150 crew cab, it had more room in the back row than my mini van and both of the SUVs I've owned. Very nice truck.

    I've spent time in the Hemi powered Dodge 1500 quad cab and like that truck as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loudpawlz
    The Tundra extended cab back row isn't very comfortable for a full grown adult. The seating is too upright and very short on leg room.

    I've driven the newer f150 crew cab, it had more room in the back row than my mini van and both of the SUVs I've owned. Very nice truck.

    I've spent time in the Hemi powered Dodge 1500 quad cab and like that truck as well.
    well that blows, but good to know of course. i'm sure i would have found the same thing when checking all of these out. i have to make a decision of how i would like to use this truck. many cars i've sit in are horrible in the back seat for me- with the exception of my lesabre. the thing i don't like about the full 4 door crew cabs, etc is they usually only have the 5.5' bed and they are more expensive. i guess i could always get the bed extender and use that. we'll see.

    thanks for the info!
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    Quote Originally Posted by micycle mike
    no problem man.
    good luck finding a truck, make sure you test drive all of the trucks you are thinking about buying.
    a lot of people buy the first car they test drive.
    it also helps to bring a friend (not wife) with you to help point out the things that suck about each one.
    the things you are gonna notice after 2 weeks of driving it.
    when i sold cars and i had someone looking at 2 or more different vehicles i always had them make a list of things they liked about each car and things they disliked about each car.
    you should also make a list of things you need to have and things you want to have.
    when you get caught up in the moment of buying a car, needs and wants blur together and cause problems. i recommend bringing your bike too and making sure it fits in the bed good. a few inches too short will suck if you didn't realize it before you bought it.
    yeah, for sure i check into everything a lot. my wife makes fun of me because i comparison shop so much and take forever to make a decision. for sure i'm going to make that need/want list you mention. as i mentioned before, the shorter beds aren't going to be good for bikes unless i get the extender thing.
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    Maybe instead of a bed extender check out this for hauling your bike. Suction cups mount to the rear window of the cab, remove the front wheel and hook it up.

    http://www.seasucker.com/landing_sep...CatalogWEB.pdf

    Makes me wish for a pickup, that sure looks slick if you have a short bed

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    I use rocky mounts in my Tacoma they mount to the factory bed rail with the front wheel removed and my bike in the mount I still have 3-4" from the rear wheel to tailgate in the 60" bed. Not that I am pushing a Tacoma but you may want to check out the long bed 4 door with the 73" bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam728
    You are the one that said it scared you, was riding way low in the back, and bounced a lot driving down the freeway. From your claims you exceeded your payload by more than double, and towing capacity by easily the same. That IS an accident waiting to happen.

    That much weight with probably P rated tires and no trailer brakes as well?

    I just have a hard time believing it.

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    I've had a 96' Ranger for the past 10 years and its been a great truck. No major major issues, just usual maintenance. I've never taken it into the shop for a repair or maintenance work. I've don't everything myself, including replacing the timing belt at 100k as recommended. The Ranger obviously doesn't fit what you are looking for, but wanted to point out that a domestic can be reliable, easy to work on, and cheap to maintain. They are discontinuing the Ranger in 2011 and bring a new mid size truck in to replace it. It will come in a quad cab and have different engine choices (hopefully a turbo diesel!).

    My friend has a 09' Frontier and loves it. Its a quad cab 4x4 with the short bed. He uses it to pull a 18' Triton boat, haul firewood, deer hunting, and general offroad use. It is a very capable truck, lots of leg room (I'm 6'6" and fit in the front or back). The 260hp motor is powerful and runs smooth. He uses a DIY hitch mount to haul bikes and extra gear.

    You can always use the bed extender if you need to stand the bikes in the back, but he likes to use the hitch mount because its easier to load and unload rather than lift them into the back of the truck and secure the bike down (while trying not to scratch the paint)

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    I gotta whore mine out a little:

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    After lift and tires:








    I love my truck. The 3.0's in these are workhorses but not performance ready to say the least. Rangers are dependable trucks and will last a while if you take care of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenech627
    I gotta whore mine out a little:

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    I love my truck. The 3.0's in these are workhorses but not performance ready to say the least. Rangers are dependable trucks and will last a while if you take care of them.
    Nice truck, love the dune picture. As for performance, I'm getting parts together for a 2.3 turbo motor swap. Forged pistons into a stock 2.3 block, 42lb injectors, 90mm MAF, Holset HX35 turbo, SCT tuner, ect. Shooting for 300+ rwhp and 12 sec 1/4.

    https://www.turborangerforums.com/index.php


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    Driving a 2wd in sand is asking for trouble!!
    You lose your momentum and your looking at trouble if youre alone, or a beer stop and a laugh if you're not lol.

    Good looking truck nonetheless

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    I just unloaded my diesel F-250 for a new F-150. I had sold the race cars and trailers so I had no need for the big truck. This new truck rides like a car though. Not really a bad thing I guess. I couldn't live without a truck for all the chores and stuff I use it for.



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    Driving a 2wd in sand is asking for trouble!!
    You lose your momentum and your looking at trouble if youre alone, or a beer stop and a laugh if you're not lol.
    Ha ha ya took me a little to get used to it. Got stuck a few times but airing down to about 7psi and having a l/s 4.56 rear end helped. After learning the ropes I made it up the hills ok but that was in 2nd and totally flooring it. My trans did not like me.


    GearHead I see a drop in your future!!!!!!

    Check out www.ranger-forums.com- Great site with a lot of knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenech627
    Ha ha ya took me a little to get used to it. Got stuck a few times but airing down to about 7psi and having a l/s 4.56 rear end helped. After learning the ropes I made it up the hills ok but that was in 2nd and totally flooring it. My trans did not like me.


    GearHead I see a drop in your future!!!!!!

    Check out www.ranger-forums.com- Great site with a lot of knowledge.
    I've been on www.rangerpowersports.com since 2001 but they have been having server issues for a long time so I don't get on there much anymore. Thanks for the link, that will give me something new to look at. I have a 3/4 DJM drop right now, don't really want to go much lower since its my daily driver. I'm pretty happy with the handling and ride. My next upgrade is a 8.8, 3.73 LS (w/ disc) axle out of an explorer. Figured the turbo motor would destroy my 7.5 open differential.

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    fastzr1, is that a 5.5' bed? not sure if they have bigger beds with the full 4-door version. i would want a longer bed, but not sure how much of a hassle it would be to fit it anywhere.

    nice looking truck! if you don't mind me asking, what do they run? how much below msrp are you able to get these for nowadays?

    thanks. ez
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    I have had a pickup for most of the past 25 years (1982 Mazda, 1994 Fort F-150, 1992 Toyota), and have a hard time imagining not having one available for hauling or chores. That said, my current truck, the '92 Toyota, is not my only vehicle and spends much of its time sitting. I have been pleased with the reliability of it, and the 29 mpg in the city is hard to argue with (2wd, std trans).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    fastzr1, is that a 5.5' bed? not sure if they have bigger beds with the full 4-door version. i would want a longer bed, but not sure how much of a hassle it would be to fit it anywhere.

    nice looking truck! if you don't mind me asking, what do they run? how much below msrp are you able to get these for nowadays?

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    Yea 5.5' bed. I had to have another crewcab so the option was 5.5' bed. The extended cabs get the 6.5' bed. I hope I don't regret the decision with the smaller bed. Also had to have 4WD because I need it for getting my boat out of some ramps in the area. I didn't want 20" wheels, but once again, they all had 20" wheels. They look good, but I need to start saving for tires now.

    These F-150s are expensive. The dealer had about 20 on the lot and I only looked at the crewcab (ford calls it Supercrew) and none were under $42K MSRP. I picked this one and got it for $500 over invoice. I also got $4K in rebates and $500 more for military so I think I got a fair deal. The dealer here in town is selling these F-150s like hot cakes. In the 4 days I was negotiating the deal on mine, they sold five F-150s. That seems like a lot to me.

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    First I'll respond to the original question, which seems to have been lost in the truck vs. no-truck and the I know more about diesels than you do debates.

    The type of truck really depends on what you plan on doing with it. A single person with their only real intention of hauling is nothing more than a mtn bike a light pick-up will do just fine (Colorado/Ranger/Dakota). If you've got a family, you'll probably want a ext. cab fullsize truck. Much more room, and a lot of models are almost SUV-like in the amount of room in the back seat.

    The poster above pretty much nailed it on the engines.

    GM 5.3 is probably the best all around engine of the bunch in terms of a balance between fuel economy and power. The 4.8L isn't a bad engine either and can save you a bit of money. I'd recommend driving both of them.

    The 5.4 is the only way to go in the Ford. The other engine is a dog.

    The Hemi is a great engine. Great power and torque. Terrible fuel economy.

    Your needs probably don't require the need of a diesel pick-up truck. They're going to be more expensive than a comparable gas powered truck. However, the engine will last longer (250k-300k before overhaul and probably longer depending on how much it's been worked and maintained). They also hold their resale value much better than a gas truck. It's not uncommon to see a 200k mile diesel truck in descent shape selling for $10k or more.

    4x4 vs. 2x4 - If you're in a winter climate 4x4. I don't care if it costs a little more to maintain ($50 per year?) and costs you a couple of mpg. The one time you engage 4 wheel drive in the snow it's worth its weight in gold. And any extra expense makes up for not having the call a wrecker to pull your 2x4 out of the ditch. I drove 2wd trucks for a long time and getting stuck in only 6" of snow sucks.

    Personally, I drive a 1 ton Dodge pick-up w/ a Cummins. Do I need that much truck for what I do with it? No way, the most I tow with it is a motorcycle and trailer. However, I work for Cummins and want to support the product, it's a cool truck, and the main reason is.... BECAUSE I CAN.

    In the end, test drive them all and buy what you like. I say stick to the fullsize trucks, everyone I've ever known who's driven one of the small trucks either wish they had a fullsize, or went out and bought one after they drove one (myself included).

    Good luck with your search.
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    I've had a bunch of trucks, mostly Toyota Tacoma 4x4's, very dependable & eventually very rusty! I am sorry to see the "little" trucks getting bigger, the new Tacomas are like an old full-size now. I prefer the visibilty, gas mileage & ease of loading of something smaller. For any truck, so nice to just throw a bike in the bed & go!

    If you have one of those mini bed trucks & your bike doesn't fit in, consider the method where you carpet the tailgate (outside too) & just hook the whole front wheel & fork over the tailgate (with bike facing rear of truck).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4zilch
    First I'll respond to the original question, which seems to have been lost in the truck vs. no-truck and the I know more about diesels than you do debates.

    The type of truck really depends on what you plan on doing with it. A single person with their only real intention of hauling is nothing more than a mtn bike a light pick-up will do just fine (Colorado/Ranger/Dakota). If you've got a family, you'll probably want a ext. cab fullsize truck. Much more room, and a lot of models are almost SUV-like in the amount of room in the back seat.

    The poster above pretty much nailed it on the engines.

    GM 5.3 is probably the best all around engine of the bunch in terms of a balance between fuel economy and power. The 4.8L isn't a bad engine either and can save you a bit of money. I'd recommend driving both of them.

    The 5.4 is the only way to go in the Ford. The other engine is a dog.

    The Hemi is a great engine. Great power and torque. Terrible fuel economy.

    Your needs probably don't require the need of a diesel pick-up truck. They're going to be more expensive than a comparable gas powered truck. However, the engine will last longer (250k-300k before overhaul and probably longer depending on how much it's been worked and maintained). They also hold their resale value much better than a gas truck. It's not uncommon to see a 200k mile diesel truck in descent shape selling for $10k or more.

    4x4 vs. 2x4 - If you're in a winter climate 4x4. I don't care if it costs a little more to maintain ($50 per year?) and costs you a couple of mpg. The one time you engage 4 wheel drive in the snow it's worth its weight in gold. And any extra expense makes up for not having the call a wrecker to pull your 2x4 out of the ditch. I drove 2wd trucks for a long time and getting stuck in only 6" of snow sucks.

    Personally, I drive a 1 ton Dodge pick-up w/ a Cummins. Do I need that much truck for what I do with it? No way, the most I tow with it is a motorcycle and trailer. However, I work for Cummins and want to support the product, it's a cool truck, and the main reason is.... BECAUSE I CAN.

    In the end, test drive them all and buy what you like. I say stick to the fullsize trucks, everyone I've ever known who's driven one of the small trucks either wish they had a fullsize, or went out and bought one after they drove one (myself included).

    Good luck with your search.

    well said. thanks, man! i think i am going to focus on a full size with a crew cab or whatever others call it. i would just need to get creative to be able to fit my bikes in back of a 5.5' bed, or just take the front wheels off and hook it up that way. for whatever reason, i think about getting a truck and i'm getting it for the space so why would i have to take anything off to haul my bikes. i would like them to stand in some type of rack with wheels on- this way i can fit my other stuff in the bed as well (camping gear, supplies in totes, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by yurtinus
    I'll chime in my opinion on diesel vs gas...

    I think anybody that sits around to listen will realize that to power a vehicle, diesel is a better fuel. It has more energy per unit mass. However, at least in the US, diesel is not available in a smaller light-duty truck (think Colorado/Tacoma sized). As far as I know there is no small diesel powered truck on the market (though there is one coming pretty soon-- Mihandra I think?).

    There is definitely close mindedness in the States about diesel, but it's more damaging to our selection of cars than trucks at the moment. Tides are turning though, we're seeing some change and at last some options!

    Eric-- Good luck in your search, hopefully you got some useful information (y'know, gleaning between the holy war over big vs little, everybody vs Ridgeline, etc ). Best advice I have is to keep your mind open and focus on what you want-- it really doesn't matter what other people think you should get.
    can u show me how this is? i'd like to know why

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    can u show me how this is? i'd like to know why
    I just looked up the energy content of different fuels, and diesel/heating oil has about 11% more joules per unit volume than gasoline.

    However, I don't agree that this fact alone makes a better fuel.

    That said, I do wish there were more diesels out there to choose from for cars and smaller trucks. I owned a diesel VW pickup (`81), and I that tiny 1.5L diesel could pull a lot of weight (way more than the chassis was designed for), and got mileage in the low 40's. Slow as molasses, though. I think an old VW bus was the only vehicle I have driven that was slower. A friend of mine had one of those VW Golf Diesels that got 53mpg, and while I would not call it fast, it was not particularly slow either (manual).

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    ........I have a 1991 GMC Syclone that handles the bike hauling for me 95% of the time for me. Very convenient and if I keep my foot out of it and drive sensibly I get around 19-21 mpg even with the AWD drivetrain....


    Good lord!!!!

    I wonder if anyone on this thread even know what that thing really is.....\

    Trucks are better than cars and SUV for bike transport since it's easy to get the bike in and out while offering crash protection. Most people don't think about this, but from what I have heard, car insurance coverage don't cover bikes (i.e. - if your bike rack in the back gets rear ended with the bike).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BATMANs
    Good lord!!!!

    I wonder if anyone on this thread even know what that thing really is.....\

    Trucks are better than cars and SUV for bike transport since it's easy to get the bike in and out while offering crash protection. Most people don't think about this, but from what I have heard, car insurance coverage don't cover bikes (i.e. - if your bike rack in the back gets rear ended with the bike).

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    yes, but who is going to buy a vehicle ONLY for transporting bikes? If people are not going to be driving these vehicles at any other time, then fine they serve their purpose better than cars, but when u drive a truck without a loaded bed it is a waste of gas

    and not everyone has $1000+ bikes, i'd say more than 50% of this forum have bikes <$1000. Would you rather have your bike totaled by a rear end collision?? or your bumper/frame (of car) totaled by a rear end collision? i was quoted by a body shop to have a bumper replaced (oem bumper) for $700. so its kind of a wash.

    if you're going to be rear ended, prepare to either lose ur bike or ur bumper

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    yes, but who is going to buy a vehicle ONLY for transporting bikes? If people are not going to be driving these vehicles at any other time, then fine they serve their purpose better than cars, but when u drive a truck without a loaded bed it is a waste of gas

    and not everyone has $1000+ bikes, i'd say more than 50% of this forum have bikes <$1000. Would you rather have your bike totaled by a rear end collision?? or your bumper/frame (of car) totaled by a rear end collision? i was quoted by a body shop to have a bumper replaced (oem bumper) for $700. so its kind of a wash.

    if you're going to be rear ended, prepare to either lose ur bike or ur bumper
    a bike on the trunk of your car will damage the car if you are rear ended.
    don't think that just the bikes will be damaged and the car will look like new.

    i'd rather have my bumper damaged than my bike and bumper damaged.
    for a few reasons.
    car insurance will cover the bumper since you were rear ended then you most likely won't pay anything. infact if your car does not have a lien holder then the insurance company will cut you a check for $700 (your example)
    you run down to your local pick a part and pick up a bumper for $50.
    you just made $650.
    depending on the kind of car you have it might be a little more for a bumper, but that is how much i paid to replace my neighbors 08 honda accord bumper 3 months ago when she got rear ended. the check she got was for $1300, for the bumper, muffler and one tail light. i paid $100 for all 3 of those things at a junkyard in san diego. she gave me $200 to slap it all on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BATMANs
    Good lord!!!!

    I wonder if anyone on this thread even know what that thing really is.....\

    Trucks are better than cars and SUV for bike transport since it's easy to get the bike in and out while offering crash protection. Most people don't think about this, but from what I have heard, car insurance coverage don't cover bikes (i.e. - if your bike rack in the back gets rear ended with the bike).

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    My car with the rear rack is way easier to load/unload bikes than what you are showing there as I don't need to take the front wheel off.

    Whether your insurance covers the bikes on the rear is not very relevant since if you get rear ended it is the other guy's fault and financial responsibility. Besides, basing vehicle decisions on what happens to the bike when you get in a accident is a little silly, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micycle mike
    a bike on the trunk of your car will damage the car if you are rear ended.
    don't think that just the bikes will be damaged and the car will look like new.

    i'd rather have my bumper damaged than my bike and bumper damaged.
    for a few reasons.
    car insurance will cover the bumper since you were rear ended then you most likely won't pay anything. infact if your car does not have a lien holder then the insurance company will cut you a check for $700 (your example)
    you run down to your local pick a part and pick up a bumper for $50.
    you just made $650.
    depending on the kind of car you have it might be a little more for a bumper, but that is how much i paid to replace my neighbors 08 honda accord bumper 3 months ago when she got rear ended. the check she got was for $1300, for the bumper, muffler and one tail light. i paid $100 for all 3 of those things at a junkyard in san diego. she gave me $200 to slap it all on.
    If you get rear ended, the person hitting you will be responsible for the bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta
    If you get rear ended, the person hitting you will be responsible for the bikes.
    i didn't say they wouldn't be.
    i said they would be responsible for the car damage, the guy i quoted seemed concerned about spending money to fix his car after he got rear ended
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    Quote Originally Posted by micycle mike
    a bike on the trunk of your car will damage the car if you are rear ended.
    don't think that just the bikes will be damaged and the car will look like new.

    i'd rather have my bumper damaged than my bike and bumper damaged.
    for a few reasons.
    car insurance will cover the bumper since you were rear ended then you most likely won't pay anything. infact if your car does not have a lien holder then the insurance company will cut you a check for $700 (your example)
    you run down to your local pick a part and pick up a bumper for $50.
    you just made $650.
    depending on the kind of car you have it might be a little more for a bumper, but that is how much i paid to replace my neighbors 08 honda accord bumper 3 months ago when she got rear ended. the check she got was for $1300, for the bumper, muffler and one tail light. i paid $100 for all 3 of those things at a junkyard in san diego. she gave me $200 to slap it all on.
    after getting your bumper fixed on repairs, do you expect your insurance to stay the same? it may (or may not) but if it does stay the same, count that as 1 strike on your records. How many until you get a raise in insurance that will easily total the price of a bumper?

    your single example about finding a beautiful bumper that will match a car for $50 is not good, you can say you found one for $5 on the corner. Lets face reality and fix cars with new parts since used is too hard to control for.

    your example about fixing the bumper + tail light + muffler for $100 is also bad and not relavent since that is not the real price that anyone can get. You can also say you got all those things for free since someone had them around.

    in reality: a $800 bike in a rear end, or $600-700 in fixing a rear bumper. you do "save" an estimated $100, but you will have to take the time and gas and energy to go to the auto shop and get it fixed, which will be some hours without the car + a losing a free day in people's busy lifestyle. up to you dog

    lets also talk about your example of a rear collision of the car crashing not into the bikes about ~3 feet behind your car, but running into those and still hitting the bumper, hence you get bike + bumper damage, then you get $800 bike + $800 bumper repair. This says that the car behind you will go about 3-4 feet beyond the point of impact (bikes.) Now, lets say that same car in the same accident hits you and goes 3-4 feet beyond the point of impact (bumper), you think u only got $1600 of damage? gotta be an idiot to think that...

    okay if the person doing the colliding is at 100% fault and that there is no problem getting her to pay all the damages, then we have no argument here. She will pay for anything no matter the value.

    so in the end, while those with more expensive bikes may not be able to follow this (they are in the minority) Being rear ended with bikes is about the same as being rear ended without them.

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    you will not get msrp price on your bike if it is damaged, just like when they total out your car you will not get enough to buy a new one. you will get what your bike is worth.

    the bike will not slow down the momentum of the vehicle in the crash. so the car will not go 3-4 feet further if the bikes are not there. if you don't understand this then you are a moron.
    i've never seen some one's insurance rate go up after they were rear ended, i'm not saying it can't or doesn't happen, but in my life i've never seen or heard it.

    and yes you are correct. you can't get those 3 parts for that price. i spend a lot of money at that junkyard and i get treated as family there. you would pay more for the tail light then i did for all of that stuff.
    however you wil spend a lot less buying used than going to a bodyshop and having them put a used bumper on your car for you. the amount you save you can toss in your pocket

    so yes if you are rear ended then the other person is gonna pay for it, unless they are uninsured, but i don't want to go there.

    if you have a 1 year old $500 bike you are only gonna get $300 for it cause that is the actual market price on your bike. take a look at craigslist. they don't have to buy you a new bike, they can buy you a 1 year old bike.

    HOWEVER i agree with you that not putting your bikes on the trunk or on the roof cause you are afraid of car crash damage or even pulling into your garage with the bike on top is dumb.
    buying a truck solely cause you want to toss the bikes in the back is not dumb. unless the only time you will use the truck is to carry your bikes to the trail. (needing a truck to get to the trail is exempt from the last line)
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    Would you rather have your bike totaled by a rear end collision?? or your bumper/frame (of car) totaled by a rear end collision? i was quoted by a body shop to have a bumper replaced (oem bumper) for $700. so its kind of a wash.

    if you're going to be rear ended, prepare to either lose ur bike or ur bumper
    btw this is why i quoted you and replied to this thread.
    you made it sound like the bikes were going to protect your bumper and that is not true

    if your last line just said this "lose your bike or your bike and bumper" then i wouldn't even have quoted you
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    So far off topic now I almost forgot what this thread was about before it loaded.

    Man I've gotta ask, are you guys serious? Look at what you're writing here in this thread.... You're just nitpicking absolutely irrelevant and pointless arguments here, what is your problem? Give it a break, you win, you win it all.


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    Just curious, for those here who do use their Pick-up trucks for transporting bikes or shuttling, do any of you others use the Dakine pad for the tailgate? I've got one and gotta say, it works GREAT, I'd highly recommend one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by micycle mike
    you will not get msrp price on your bike if it is damaged, just like when they total out your car you will not get enough to buy a new one. you will get what your bike is worth.

    the bike will not slow down the momentum of the vehicle in the crash. so the car will not go 3-4 feet further if the bikes are not there. if you don't understand this then you are a moron.
    i've never seen some one's insurance rate go up after they were rear ended, i'm not saying it can't or doesn't happen, but in my life i've never seen or heard it.

    and yes you are correct. you can't get those 3 parts for that price. i spend a lot of money at that junkyard and i get treated as family there. you would pay more for the tail light then i did for all of that stuff.
    however you wil spend a lot less buying used than going to a bodyshop and having them put a used bumper on your car for you. the amount you save you can toss in your pocket

    so yes if you are rear ended then the other person is gonna pay for it, unless they are uninsured, but i don't want to go there.

    if you have a 1 year old $500 bike you are only gonna get $300 for it cause that is the actual market price on your bike. take a look at craigslist. they don't have to buy you a new bike, they can buy you a 1 year old bike.

    HOWEVER i agree with you that not putting your bikes on the trunk or on the roof cause you are afraid of car crash damage or even pulling into your garage with the bike on top is dumb.
    buying a truck solely cause you want to toss the bikes in the back is not dumb. unless the only time you will use the truck is to carry your bikes to the trail. (needing a truck to get to the trail is exempt from the last line)
    ok lets just drop the part about paying for the bike or the bumper. i'd equally not want either to get hit.

    buying a truck (lets say u buy a used, medium quality $15000 truck) that you can use for the life of the bike. this truck is used ONLY to carry the bike around. not for any other use. Thats an awful lot of money. i just wouldn't buy a truck for the sole use of carrying a bike. Think of it as, put a trailer hitch + rack on your car and put the bikes on it. if u get rear ended, so be it, you save $15000 and u can buy 15x $1000 bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micycle mike
    you will not get msrp price on your bike if it is damaged, just like when they total out your car you will not get enough to buy a new one. you will get what your bike is worth.
    I'm not so sure about that. When my car got broken into and my stereo stolen (several times, actually), I got a new stereo, not the value of the old one used. I know for a fact (I asked) that if my bikes are stolen off the car or damaged in an accident that my insurance company will reimburse based on what it costs to replace it, not the resale value of the bike.

    Anyway, this is way off topic, and is in no way going to effect whether or not I put my bike on the back of the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    u can buy 15x $1000 bikes.
    not me, my wife would kill me if i paid $1000 for a bike.
    my car cost that much and the 3 cars before that cost $1200 combined.

    but yeah i agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta
    If you get rear ended, the person hitting you will be responsible for the bikes.
    True, but most people don't have $$$$ (esp. in this economy) to pay for some expensive bikes outta their pocket if insurance is exceeded (alot of people get the bare minimum liability), or even worse, if they are not insured.

    For those of you that rent, I understand that a simple renter's insurance will cover bikes damaged or stolen in transport.

    Check with ur insurance provider for details and confirmation.....

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    Do you have the Hemi or the Smaller V8?

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    since we are on the subject of trucks. does anyone know when the tacoma switched to drive by wire?
    i'm gonna be buying one soon and want to make sure i don't get drive by wire.
    i'm looking at 95-04 so i think i'll be safe, but i can't find when they started drive by wire.

    toyota is doing another recall for the "gas pedals that are too long" (drive by wire issue)
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    Eric Z,
    If you only plan on towing a popup, and don't need a bed for hauling dirt, wood, ect., I would think you might be happy with an AWD car with the appropriate towing capacity. Something like a Subaru Outback, Honda Element, ect. I have had various cars, SUVs, and trucks as my primary vehicle, and I've always found that having the cargo area accessible from the front seats is more convenient than having to go around to the back. In general cars will be more comfortable and have a better ride, though from what I have heard a lot of new trucks have improved in that department in the last few years.
    Currently I have a '96 Subaru Outback that I drive daily, and a '96 Ford F250 4X4 diesel extended cab that I only drive when I need to haul something heavy. The Subaru rides way better than the Ford, is much more useful in the snow and other light off-road situations, and gets almost 30 mpg instead of almost 20. But, the Ford will "pull a house down" if I need it to.
    If you only occasionally actually NEED a truck (ie. for a heavy trailer or heavy hauling in the bed) I would go with some sort of more car-like vehicle, and borrow or rent a truck when you need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4zilch
    First I'll respond to the original question, which seems to have been lost in the truck vs. no-truck and the I know more about diesels than you do debates.

    The type of truck really depends on what you plan on doing with it. A single person with their only real intention of hauling is nothing more than a mtn bike a light pick-up will do just fine (Colorado/Ranger/Dakota). If you've got a family, you'll probably want a ext. cab fullsize truck. Much more room, and a lot of models are almost SUV-like in the amount of room in the back seat.

    The poster above pretty much nailed it on the engines.

    GM 5.3 is probably the best all around engine of the bunch in terms of a balance between fuel economy and power. The 4.8L isn't a bad engine either and can save you a bit of money. I'd recommend driving both of them.

    The 5.4 is the only way to go in the Ford. The other engine is a dog.

    The Hemi is a great engine. Great power and torque. Terrible fuel economy.

    Your needs probably don't require the need of a diesel pick-up truck. They're going to be more expensive than a comparable gas powered truck. However, the engine will last longer (250k-300k before overhaul and probably longer depending on how much it's been worked and maintained). They also hold their resale value much better than a gas truck. It's not uncommon to see a 200k mile diesel truck in descent shape selling for $10k or more.

    4x4 vs. 2x4 - If you're in a winter climate 4x4. I don't care if it costs a little more to maintain ($50 per year?) and costs you a couple of mpg. The one time you engage 4 wheel drive in the snow it's worth its weight in gold. And any extra expense makes up for not having the call a wrecker to pull your 2x4 out of the ditch. I drove 2wd trucks for a long time and getting stuck in only 6" of snow sucks.

    Personally, I drive a 1 ton Dodge pick-up w/ a Cummins. Do I need that much truck for what I do with it? No way, the most I tow with it is a motorcycle and trailer. However, I work for Cummins and want to support the product, it's a cool truck, and the main reason is.... BECAUSE I CAN.

    In the end, test drive them all and buy what you like. I say stick to the fullsize trucks, everyone I've ever known who's driven one of the small trucks either wish they had a fullsize, or went out and bought one after they drove one (myself included).

    Good luck with your search.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy FitzGibbon
    Eric Z,
    If you only plan on towing a popup, and don't need a bed for hauling dirt, wood, ect., I would think you might be happy with an AWD car with the appropriate towing capacity. Something like a Subaru Outback, Honda Element, ect. I have had various cars, SUVs, and trucks as my primary vehicle, and I've always found that having the cargo area accessible from the front seats is more convenient than having to go around to the back. In general cars will be more comfortable and have a better ride, though from what I have heard a lot of new trucks have improved in that department in the last few years.
    Currently I have a '96 Subaru Outback that I drive daily, and a '96 Ford F250 4X4 diesel extended cab that I only drive when I need to haul something heavy. The Subaru rides way better than the Ford, is much more useful in the snow and other light off-road situations, and gets almost 30 mpg instead of almost 20. But, the Ford will "pull a house down" if I need it to.
    If you only occasionally actually NEED a truck (ie. for a heavy trailer or heavy hauling in the bed) I would go with some sort of more car-like vehicle, and borrow or rent a truck when you need it.
    Andy
    thanks, andy- i've been thinking about going that route- not sure though. i wouldn't be hauling stuff frequently, but really like the flexibility of having the truck so i could do that. i also am not a big fan of the limited storage in a car- i really like the idea of throwing my bikes and camping gear (clean or dirty) in the bed of a truck. we'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    thanks, andy- i've been thinking about going that route- not sure though. i wouldn't be hauling stuff frequently, but really like the flexibility of having the truck so i could do that. i also am not a big fan of the limited storage in a car- i really like the idea of throwing my bikes and camping gear (clean or dirty) in the bed of a truck. we'll see.
    do you really want to spend $15000-30000 on a vehicle just so u can go camping and throw stuff in the back? what do u do thats so dirty?

    tents + gear go into bags and into my accord's trunk, bikes go on a bike rack and hang off the rear. i get better mileage and can carry enough for a small family + their gear. Anything more i need to carry will go into my MDX. (which i've NEVER filled up when going camping with a family of 5)

    the outback is great, very versatile and nimble. great for on/off road. Element is great also, probably better off road than the outback, and can hold more gear, but on roads, i'd rather drive an outback or a smaller vehicle.

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    problem with bikes on the back is...what if the guy that hits you is uninsured or driving an unregistered vehicle...
    say goodbye to your bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AusMTB Orienteer
    problem with bikes on the back is...what if the guy that hits you is uninsured or driving an unregistered vehicle...
    say goodbye to your bike...
    same thing can happen even if you're not hauling bikes and then your car is screwed. not sure if you were joking or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    do you really want to spend $15000-30000 on a vehicle just so u can go camping and throw stuff in the back? what do u do thats so dirty?

    tents + gear go into bags and into my accord's trunk, bikes go on a bike rack and hang off the rear. i get better mileage and can carry enough for a small family + their gear. Anything more i need to carry will go into my MDX. (which i've NEVER filled up when going camping with a family of 5)

    the outback is great, very versatile and nimble. great for on/off road. Element is great also, probably better off road than the outback, and can hold more gear, but on roads, i'd rather drive an outback or a smaller vehicle.
    good points! i'm sure i'll be pleased with an outback or similar car instead of a truck- i've actually thought about it a lot and it's not out of the question. i don't mind the hitch rack- use one now. when we camp now, my car (elantra) is jammed with gear and me, my wife, and 3 year old. maybe i have to become more of a minimalist. my wife even said why not just tow a camper with a car instead of a truck- yeah, i could do that, but if i'm going to get a car and drop $15-$25k anyway, why not get one that i think i'll get a lot of use out of. i get by now without having a truck, but why deal with getting by. yeah, gas mileage isn't the best and parking can be hard, but this isn't going to be my primary car. i do have to see how they drive for comfort though- i wouldn't want my body to be sore if i'm going to be in it for 3+ hours. if my memory serves me right, i was pretty pleased with the bigger trucks my friend brought home when he worked at enterprise. also, the leg room was so nice- being 6'4 it's hard finding a car where i'm 100% comfortable- that's something i've been dealing with for a while though.

    and you're right, it's not like everything is super filthy, but sometimes i am thinking about not getting the inside of my car dirty- that could be because we're stacking stuff in the back seat next to my son when the trunk is full.

    i have looked at some outbacks and foresters- i'll have to take another look at them to see if i'll be pleased with the room.

    of course i don't need a truck- i doubt many people on this board do- i just like the versatility of having one. thanks. ez
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    do you really want to spend $15000-30000 on a vehicle just so u can go camping and throw stuff in the back?
    What did your MDX cost? If EricZ is looking for a used car or truck prices can vary a great deal. After the high gas prices we had nice used trucks could be found VERY cheap. Prices are still down pretty low because of the economy, and probably a little fear of high gas prices returning.

    I will agree with you that a lot of people have trucks that don't "need" them, look at European countries where dang near no one has a pickup. A big part of owning a truck is convienence. Could my dad have gotten a Civic instead of a F150? Sure, but it's a whole lot easier to use the truck to haul off leaves, bring in firewood, plow the driveway and street, make runs to the dump, haul the quad, haul the snowmobile, haul lumber, hunting blinds, etc etc. If he had a car he'd also need a trailer and a tractor or snowblower. More stuff to own and maintain when one tool can do the job.

    Since people are posting truck pics, here's what I've had, in the order that's I've owned em.

    1992 K1500


    1985 Hilux


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    1989 Hilux (was a 2nd vehicle when I had the S10. Was used for off roading 95% of the time)


    And now, the ubber ugly 1992 C2500! Do I "need" it? No. But it sure works better than the Jeep + trailer for a whole lot of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    good points! i'm sure i'll be pleased with an outback or similar car instead of a truck- i've actually thought about it a lot and it's not out of the question. i don't mind the hitch rack- use one now. when we camp now, my car (elantra) is jammed with gear and me, my wife, and 3 year old. maybe i have to become more of a minimalist. my wife even said why not just tow a camper with a car instead of a truck- yeah, i could do that, but if i'm going to get a car and drop $15-$25k anyway, why not get one that i think i'll get a lot of use out of. i get by now without having a truck, but why deal with getting by. yeah, gas mileage isn't the best and parking can be hard, but this isn't going to be my primary car. i do have to see how they drive for comfort though- i wouldn't want my body to be sore if i'm going to be in it for 3+ hours. if my memory serves me right, i was pretty pleased with the bigger trucks my friend brought home when he worked at enterprise. also, the leg room was so nice- being 6'4 it's hard finding a car where i'm 100% comfortable- that's something i've been dealing with for a while though.

    and you're right, it's not like everything is super filthy, but sometimes i am thinking about not getting the inside of my car dirty- that could be because we're stacking stuff in the back seat next to my son when the trunk is full.

    i have looked at some outbacks and foresters- i'll have to take another look at them to see if i'll be pleased with the room.

    of course i don't need a truck- i doubt many people on this board do- i just like the versatility of having one. thanks. ez

    I am one that actually does *need* a truck (I haul car/equipment trailers, hay, firewood, heavy machinery, ect.). When I'm not hauling one of those things, I much prefer the Subaru, even for haling dirty stuff. Keep in mind, though, that my truck has 1 ton suspension in it and basically rides like a farm wagon when empty. I'd imagine that a lot of the newer, smaller trucks available have a much more car-like ride.
    There's definitely more than one way to look at it, and sounds like you are doing all the thinking you should be.
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    you said it yourself, you don't "need" a pick up truck. unless you dont have other priorities right now, paying $25000 for convenience is a lot!

    get a compact pickup and rent a truck for the next 10 years whenever you go camping. (just an idea)

    95% of this forum hauls bikes + outdoor gear in their family sedans or compact SUVs (or even mid sized) Trucks are a waste of gas, and most of the major players in the truck market are known for their low quality vehicles (hence, domestic's resale value are at the bottom of the list)

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    you said it yourself, you don't "need" a pick up truck. unless you dont have other priorities right now, paying $25000 for convenience is a lot!

    get a compact pickup and rent a truck for the next 10 years whenever you go camping. (just an idea)

    95% of this forum hauls bikes + outdoor gear in their family sedans or compact SUVs (or even mid sized) Trucks are a waste of gas, and most of the major players in the truck market are known for their low quality vehicles (hence, domestic's resale value are at the bottom of the list)
    a smaller pick-up may do the job for me, but then when i look at cost, it's not that much more for a larger truck (yeah, i know mpgs aren't as good on a bigger truck). i won't get a small truck if the legroom is going to be the same as my current car- not worth it.

    domestic resale value being low is good since i don't have an issue buying used. i don't know about major players in the truck market being known for low quality vehicles- i'm impressed with how long some of these trucks are lasting.

    i think i would like the subarus but those aren't cheap either- the outback with decent options start at $25k+. even though i may not be fully thinking through what 13-19 mpgs is, if that's the only issue, i think i can live with it; especially since this isn't the vehicle in which i would be driving across the country. i've actually kicked the idea around of getting a truck and then an outback type car when it's time for another car down the road.

    i'm not a fan of suvs- many i've seen are not too spacious and it's not like mpgs are that great. my neighbor has an envoy- if those are even considered a midsize suv, they're horrible- no room in front or back- my elantra is better. i sure hope suvs made now are better than those.

    i haven't checked out a lot of suvs or trucks so i know i still have a lot to figure out- it's nice to learn though. i also appreciate challenging me to really know what i actually need and want. as you see, i hate jumping into something and then having regrets later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    Trucks are a waste of gas, and most of the major players in the truck market are known for their low quality vehicles (hence, domestic's resale value are at the bottom of the list)
    Not my experience... my truck has 216k miles on it and it's still chuggin. I think current gas prices and economic issues have a lot to do with where resale values are not necessarily quality issues. Trucks may be a waste of gas. It really depends on how you look at it. If someone buys a Prius and drives it three times as much because it's better on gas and they don't really worry about planning errands together or conserving gas, are they really saving any gas? If a truck gets used on a regular basis and the person is willing to foot the bill for gas I don't really see the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7daysaweek
    Not my experience... my truck has 216k miles on it and it's still chuggin. I think current gas prices and economic issues have a lot to do with where resale values are not necessarily quality issues. Trucks may be a waste of gas. It really depends on how you look at it. If someone buys a Prius and drives it three times as much because it's better on gas and they don't really worry about planning errands together or conserving gas, are they really saving any gas? If a truck gets used on a regular basis and the person is willing to foot the bill for gas I don't really see the issue.
    u sure the resale value thats crap on domestic cars isn't related to the it being of lower quality?

    then why does the malibu have worse resale value than an accord or camry or altima?
    why does a cobalt or cavalier have worse resale than a civic or corolla?

    that tells you its NOT the economy or gas prices, as all those cars above fall under the same economic and gas price pressures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7daysaweek
    If someone buys a Prius and drives it three times as much because it's better on gas and they don't really worry about planning errands together or conserving gas, are they really saving any gas? .
    This is a very weak, almost absurd argument. To answer the question directly, no, if they drive three times as much they are not saving gas, but in fact I would be willing to bet the overwhelming majority drive the same amount either way.

    You are absolutely correct that if you actually USE the truck on a regular basis (in a way that a car could not be used), then of course it is worth the extra gas. The point being made was that in fact most people DON'T need a truck on a regular basis, even for some of the things being mentioned here as something you need a truck for, like camping. Personally, having owed a pickup for quite a few years, I find that a car like my wifes Outback or my CR-V makes a better roadtrip/camping/biking vehicles than my pickup did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta
    This is a very weak, almost absurd argument. To answer the question directly, no, if they drive three times as much they are not saving gas, but in fact I would be willing to bet the overwhelming majority drive the same amount either way.

    You are absolutely correct that if you actually USE the truck on a regular basis (in a way that a car could not be used), then of course it is worth the extra gas. The point being made was that in fact most people DON'T need a truck on a regular basis, even for some of the things being mentioned here as something you need a truck for, like camping. Personally, having owed a pickup for quite a few years, I find that a car like my wifes Outback or my CR-V makes a better roadtrip/camping/biking vehicles than my pickup did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    u sure the resale value thats crap on domestic cars isn't related to the it being of lower quality?

    then why does the malibu have worse resale value than an accord or camry or altima?
    why does a cobalt or cavalier have worse resale than a civic or corolla?

    that tells you its NOT the economy or gas prices, as all those cars above fall under the same economic and gas price pressures.
    I'm not an economist and don't really know what all goes into the retail value calculations for the various car manufacturers. I also don't know how the resale values of each of the cars you mentioned compares...

    BUT if american cars are crap then how come Chevrolet until just recently could sell a GMC Sierra pickup truck for around $45k while a Honda Civic cost around $20k? Is it because people enjoy driving crappy giant trucks with terrible gas mileage that continuously break down over the super-well-built, never letchadown reliability of a civic? I understand that people think americans just like their big trucks but i don't think to the average american it's worth $25k to look cool if the car is a piece of crap.

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    There was one occasion where I was caught out rear ending another car with no insurance (I thought I did by my ex hadn't renewed so I was screwed). luckily I could afford to pay for repairs to the other car. not sure if I could have afforded a bike on top of that though
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyliner1004
    95% of this forum hauls bikes + outdoor gear in their family sedans
    not a sedan, but this is my current bike hauler. it fits 2 bikes inside, just gotta remove the front wheels.
    since the bikes are laying down i can also fit a bunch of camping gear in there too.
    only thing i can't do is bring the bikes and our daughter at the same time, but i could if i had racks.


    soon i'll have either racks for this car or a tacoma.
    i'm starting to think the tacoma isn't worth the money. since i only need a truck a few times a month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7daysaweek
    You drastically misinterpret what that article implies.

    It hardly supports your argument. So people with hybrids drive more miles on average than people without hybrids? So what? People who drive more miles are more likely to buy a car with better gas mileage. That is ENTIRELY different than what you are saying. You are saying that buying the hybrid CAUSES them to drive more miles, but nothing in that article backs that up. In fact, I think it FAR more likely that this is the result of people who drive a lot of miles being more affected by gas costs, and are therefore more likely to by a hybrid.

    Using your logic, living in a cheap house will cause you to be poorer because, on average, people in cheaper houses make less money. Or that taking insulin causes diabetes because people taking insulin have a higher rate of diabetes than those they don't.

    This is just another example of how frustrating it is trying to get the general public to understand what studies do and do not tell us, and why we are such a bunch of scientific retards as a nation in general.

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    I'll never figure out this rumor and where it started. Cummins has never been owned by Ford.

    Ford had a small stake in the company 10+ years ago, and have since sold their share off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7daysaweek
    i always found it funny when someone would sell their gas car for let's say $10k and upgrade to a hybrid to save money on gas- what about the additional $10-15K you just spent for the upgrade? that's a lot of gas
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    Quote Originally Posted by micycle mike
    not a sedan, but this is my current bike hauler. it fits 2 bikes inside, just gotta remove the front wheels.
    since the bikes are laying down i can also fit a bunch of camping gear in there too.
    only thing i can't do is bring the bikes and our daughter at the same time, but i could if i had racks.

    soon i'll have either racks for this car or a tacoma.
    i'm starting to think the tacoma isn't worth the money. since i only need a truck a few times a month.
    i know what you mean. in my elantra, i can fit my camping gear, wife, son, and the bikes on my hitch rack- it's just a hassle. is it a hassle worth 15-25K? not sure yet, but if i'm in the market for a new car anyway, it's something i'm seriously considering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Z
    i always found it funny when someone would sell their gas car for let's say $10k and upgrade to a hybrid to save money on gas- what about the additional $10-15K you just spent for the upgrade? that's a lot of gas
    Yes, if you choose to leave out all the other relevant variables (like how old the "old" car was, how new the hybrid is, if mileage was the ONLY reason they got rid of the old car, and what the actual mpg of the old car was) it will always seem really silly.

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    This thread is ridiculous.

    Why does the price of trucks keep going up? You can buy a very decent used fullsize pick-up for under $15k all day long.

    If the guy wants a truck - let him buy a truck. It's his money. I'm sure he's well aware of the pros and cons of buying a truck vs. car. The thread was started so he could get idea of what to look for when BUYING A TRUCK.

    If you want to save fuel, buy a motorcycle, they're cheaper, have better fuel economy and are infinitely more fun than any fuel sipping car out there today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kapusta
    You drastically misinterpret what that article implies.

    It hardly supports your argument. So people with hybrids drive more miles on average than people without hybrids? So what? People who drive more miles are more likely to buy a car with better gas mileage. That is ENTIRELY different than what you are saying. You are saying that buying the hybrid CAUSES them to drive more miles, but nothing in that article backs that up. In fact, I think it FAR more likely that this is the result of people who drive a lot of miles being more affected by gas costs, and are therefore more likely to by a hybrid.

    Using your logic, living in a cheap house will cause you to be poorer because, on average, people in cheaper houses make less money. Or that taking insulin causes diabetes because people taking insulin have a higher rate of diabetes than those they don't.

    This is just another example of how frustrating it is trying to get the general public to understand what studies do and do not tell us, and why we are such a bunch of scientific retards as a nation in general.
    Yep you're right. I'm a scientific retard.

    That single article is not the only time any one has ever made the case for people driving more when they drive a hybrid. And I'm not looking at what the article implies or doesn't imply, just what it says... it was an example. I'm not going to put in the time and effort to provide you a research paper on the topic on a CYCLING forum.
    Although according to you these folks needed the hybrid because they drive so much to begin with would it not be easier to take less "pleasure trips" than to buy a brand spankin new car?

    If you disagree with what I'm saying that's fine. If you disagree with any evidence, however unreliable i give you, that's fine. But you don't make a strong argument yourself by providing me with what you "would be willing to bet" or what you "think" or capitalizing words strategically in your posts to add emphasis. I'm not fighting... just presenting something to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micycle mike
    only thing i can't do is bring the bikes and our daughter at the same time, but i could if i had racks.
    On what kind of rack will you put your daughter? or will you use a roof box?

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    probably just a roof box. seems safer. of course we will install some seat belts inside the box to keep her in place
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    Eric- I have to say I'm pretty impressed that you're able to navigate this minefield of a thread!

    An important consideration for you is that this will be a 2nd vehicle. That definitely gives you a lot of leeway in balancing your wants and needs-- particularly if you are able to work from home as you mentioned. If I had only one vehicle, it would likely be a Subaru wagon or a small SUV (xterra, 4runner) to try to strike that balance between utility when I need it, and practicality for a commuter. Since I have the luxury of owning an ancient Nissan coupe as my commuter, the truck is there for the utility when I need it pretty much exactly for what you do -- haul people and things on occasion.

    You were mentioning the legroom in the Tundra-- do you expect to take adults on longer trips often? I've done multi-day road trips for three adults before and the rear leg room isn't a huge issue (backseat person usually lays down for a nap :P ). For a short drive it's hardly noticeable. Just saying, if you're getting hung up on rear legroom, make sure it's for the right reason. Also-- keep in mind my reference here is the legroom on the crew-cab Frontier and I don't know how that compares to the extended cab Tundra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yurtinus
    Eric- I have to say I'm pretty impressed that you're able to navigate this minefield of a thread!

    An important consideration for you is that this will be a 2nd vehicle. That definitely gives you a lot of leeway in balancing your wants and needs-- particularly if you are able to work from home as you mentioned. If I had only one vehicle, it would likely be a Subaru wagon or a small SUV (xterra, 4runner) to try to strike that balance between utility when I need it, and practicality for a commuter. Since I have the luxury of owning an ancient Nissan coupe as my commuter, the truck is there for the utility when I need it pretty much exactly for what you do -- haul people and things on occasion.

    You were mentioning the legroom in the Tundra-- do you expect to take adults on longer trips often? I've done multi-day road trips for three adults before and the rear leg room isn't a huge issue (backseat person usually lays down for a nap :P ). For a short drive it's hardly noticeable. Just saying, if you're getting hung up on rear legroom, make sure it's for the right reason. Also-- keep in mind my reference here is the legroom on the crew-cab Frontier and I don't know how that compares to the extended cab Tundra.
    yeah, sorta hard to get what i wanted between all the dude attacks and pizzing contests. learned a lot though so that's good.

    i've actually been looking at the crew cab smaller trucks- tacoma, canyon, etc. so far so good. i don't like how the cab is shorter that would fit my bike, but may just need to get creative. i doubt i'll be adults in the back on long drives, but like the flexibility- hey, i'm not sitting back there so who cares, right? as my son gets older it may not be that big of an issue since he's from latin america and the height gene isn't too prevalent =)

    i'm still not totally sold on the truck and thought about getting an awd-type car/wagon to just use my hitch rack. i don't know. especially if i'm working from home, i sometimes wonder about just having one car and make it versatile enough. we'll see. a lot of info here helped a ton though. thanks. ez
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    Eric,

    Got one more thought for you. My father inlaw has a full sized Toyota truck with the jump seats behind the front seat. I've been in the back a couple times and it is claustrophobic.

    On the other hand, my brother has a crewcab Tacoma, and while the backseat isn't spacious, it is much more comfortable. The separate doors also make getting in and out much more convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micycle mike
    since we are on the subject of trucks. does anyone know when the tacoma switched to drive by wire?
    i'm gonna be buying one soon and want to make sure i don't get drive by wire.
    i'm looking at 95-04 so i think i'll be safe, but i can't find when they started drive by wire.

    toyota is doing another recall for the "gas pedals that are too long" (drive by wire issue)
    Mike, the 95-04 Tacomas are probably the best (for what you need) trucks ever made. You simply cannot kill them.

    The 2005+ Tacomas are arguable the crappiest trucks ever made. I had a 2006 Tacoma and it was BY FAR the crappiest, most cheaply made vehicle I have ever owned. Sold it with 12,000 miles on it as it was already having problems. Have two other friends (one with an 05 and the other with an 07) and theirs are falling apart too.

    We have a Nissan now and it's OK. Reliable but not as fun as the Tacomas and other options.

    IMHO the 2002-2004 Tacoma is an awesome choice though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pointerDixie214
    The 2005+ Tacomas are arguable the crappiest trucks ever made. I had a 2006 Tacoma and it was BY FAR the crappiest, most cheaply made vehicle I have ever owned. Sold it with 12,000 miles on it as it was already having problems. Have two other friends (one with an 05 and the other with an 07) and theirs are falling apart too.
    I'm surprised to hear this, knowing several people with these trucks and no issues. My mom bought a brand new 05 Tacoma, TRD, SR5. Only issue was that the rear bumper chrome was bad, there were rust spots within days of getting the truck (salty Michigan winter roads). That was replaced free, and never another issue. Heck, the truck just got it's first set of brakes at about 94,000 miles.
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    Man, I wish I had that luck with that truck, and I would still have it! HAHA

    Mine needed:

    New carrier bearing at 8,000 miles. (Not under warranty. Took this all the way to Toyota and they still denied the claim. Part of the reason I hate Toyota now)
    Front seal on transmission at 11,000 miles.
    Brakes were warped at 11,000 miles but I didn't fix them.

    My buddy with the 2005:
    Master cylinder in transmission- 30,000 miles
    Transmission: 45,000 miles
    Drive shaft: 45,000 miles
    Electrical gremlin: 50,000 miles (and this is the BASE model with minimal electrics).

    Buddy with 2007:
    Driveshaft at 27,000 miles.
    Accelerator problem (even though this truck isn't on the recall list)


    This is in addition to me getting my glove box scratched by my wife's KNEE WHEN SHE WAS WEARING JEANS!!!!!!!!!! She barely brushed it, and it was a 3 inch scratch. = Cheap interior.



    I am glad you are having better luck with yours. But my experiences, combined with my buddies and some others I know on a Toyota board are enough to make me never own another Toyota unless it's an earlier model Taco.

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    yeah i have to agree, a guy i used to work with is a tech at a toyota dealer and he told me not to buy a newer one. which is why i'm sticking to the 95-04. i know they have rust issues, but i live in socal so i'm sure i won't have problems with that.
    just one thing i gotta check out when test driving them.
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    My dad just sold his 2005 Tacoma with 80k miles on it and not a single problem. He beat the hell out of that truck. His driveway is 4 miles of bad dirt road. The interior was scratched to hell but not a single mechanical problem.

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    1989 Toyota SR5 ExtraCab V6 - 221,325 miles!

    My first pick-up truck too. I LOVE IT to death. Get the extended cab for hauling gear. I use a Thule 822 Bedrider bed rack and keep the front wheels inside the ExtraCab. Yeah, its a 21 year-old truck...but its super clean and gets the job done. Unlike the new, plasticky Tacomas - they simply don't make trucks like this anymore. The BEST part? Zero payments and she starts up the instant the key hits ON...and, it still gets 24mpg HWY!





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    Two thoughts: A truck without 4x4 is like a woman without t*ts. Don't bother.

    Diesel is great if you genuinely have a need. Otherwise it is a BIG cost, especially the new stuff. They make a lot of power, but the economy is gone. Longevity is a joke too, a modern gas truck (if taken care of) will last every bit as long as a diesel and be cheaper to maintain.

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    I've had all kinds of trucks - anything from a 69 Chevy Half Ton to my current 2009 Ford Ranger.

    I recently traded in my four door Ford F-250 Super Duty Diesel for a 2 Wheel Drive Ford Ranger.

    Here's the thing (speaking from experience). I used to own a boat - had a great time with the diesel and the boat. It halls balls from Denver up to the mountains and I could pass just about anything while towing a 19 foot boat.

    The problem (and I've owned two diesels) is that you have to choose a truck for what you're going to use it for and you can't listen to other folks for advice with such a general question.

    It used to be the price of diesel fuel was cheaper than gas - it's not anymore. Two years ago when fuel prices went up, diesel was almost $4 a gallon. It was about $150 - $175 to fill the diesel with fuel. Count on changing the fuel filter every other oil change. Your oil changes are going to run $80 minimum because you use about 12 quarts of oil as opposed to a regular car. At that time, it was about a $250 - $300 trip to take my boat to a lake between fuel for the boat and the truck. That's an expensive day trip!

    If you're doing short trips around town, the diesel sucks. First and foremost, your truck (with four doors) is going to be at least 22 feet long - try driving that around a parking lot....I've even gotten into an argument with a "ranger" at a local park because he wanted me to park in a spot I couldn't. This is a huge issue at ski resorts where they park folks when you drive up. If you're doing short trips, you will get about 13 mpg. In the winter, you'll need to plug it in the wall overnight to keep the engine warm or you will have no power until that truck warms up. It WILL effect your electric bill - after I sold my boat and truck, my electric for the winter went down by HALF. If you're going to do long, over the road trips, that truck will get 22 - 23 mpg which is incredible for such a big truck.

    Prior to that I had a Ford Ranger XLT 4x4 pickup. I beat the crap out of that little truck - when I sold it, I noticed a crack in the frame behind the rear axle on the passenger side. I towed the same boat AND had a pop-up camper on the truck at one time. If you are going to consider something for towing, make sure you check the tow rating on an automatic vs. a standard transmission. On that little truck, I had to replace brakes every 10,000 miles and I replaced the clutch at 18,000 miles.

    The truck before that was a Ford F250 4x4 with a standard 350 gas motor in it. It screamed up and down the hills and in the ice it was rock solid (I built a camping kit in the bed and the weight really helped in the ice).

    I went to a two wheeled drive truck (in Colorado) because in all honesty, I felt the trade off for four wheel drive wasn't worth it to me and I wanted the gas mileage. A four wheel drive ranger will get about 18 (I had one - trust me) and I've gotten up to 28 mpg in the new two wheel drive truck. I bought it last April and I have had NO issues driving in the snow here (and this has been a heavy snow year for Denver). The truck has a limited slip differential - much different than the two wheel drive trucks over 10 years ago. You just can't be as aggressive as if you had a four wheel drive. Then again, when I was 18, I had a game warden ask me how I got a Toyota Tercel to where I did while I was hunting....learn to drive the vehicle and its limitations.

    My neighbor has a 1993 Toyota two wheel drive pickup. He likes to put studded snow tires on the rear in the winter and a sack of sand. He's never had a problem without a four wheel drive either...and his previous truck was a half ton Ford 4x4.

    The neighbor across the street before he moved had a 2007 Dodge Ram 1/2 ton two wheel drive. He still takes his truck elk hunting every year without a problem.

    First, you have to figure out what you're going to use it for and where you're going to drive it and how. That will give you an idea of what you want. Just remember - it's not a short term commitment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsteve
    Two thoughts: A truck without 4x4 is like a woman without t*ts. Don't bother.

    Diesel is great if you genuinely have a need. Otherwise it is a BIG cost, especially the new stuff. They make a lot of power, but the economy is gone. Longevity is a joke too, a modern gas truck (if taken care of) will last every bit as long as a diesel and be cheaper to maintain.
    Cummins engines have been known to last past a million miles after their first rebuild. That is a lot of miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattsteve
    Two thoughts: A truck without 4x4 is like a woman without t*ts. Don't bother.

    Diesel is great if you genuinely have a need. Otherwise it is a BIG cost, especially the new stuff. They make a lot of power, but the economy is gone. Longevity is a joke too, a modern gas truck (if taken care of) will last every bit as long as a diesel and be cheaper to maintain.

    There is one partial-truth in this statement, can anybody guess where it is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikeeveryday
    Cummins engines have been known to last past a million miles after their first rebuild. That is a lot of miles.
    when is the first rebuild and how much is that gonna cost ya?
    my honda civic has 280k miles on it, no rebuilds. still runs strong and is showing no signs of needing a rebuild yet
    i bet i'll get a million miles out of it with one rebuild.
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    I have owned a couple of Dodge Dakota's and have enjoyed both of them. My newest one is an 2007 Dakota Quad Cab SLT and it has ample room inside - 2 car seats no problem. I have a tri fold cover on the bed to keep stuff in the bed dry/locked up etc. I use a hitch mount rack on the back to haul the bikes. I have also used the bed racks for the back of the truck as well with sucess. I would recommend one and anyone who knows more about this please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they will be discontinuing the Dakota and you may find some good prices as they roll out new models. I bought mine used in 2008 for $17,000. I also have used it to haul around campers with absolutely no problems at all.

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