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    Who else here drives a Subaru?

    Ive been lurking these forums and ran into a couple people I recognize from some Subaru boards I frequent.

    I also always see bike racks on local Subarus, so I know its a popular vehicle for us. Just curious who else here drives their Subies to the trails... maybe even ON the trails

    Post em up! Here's my current ride:


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    Guilty! I dirve a subaru. 2001 Outback h6. I love it.
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    1992 Legacy wagon and it must be painted Dorian Grey because it doesn't seem to be aging badly at all. 229,000km and runs like a watch. Just stuck a set of Nokian WR tires on it so it matches at least one of my bikes for tire brands. Bikes fit inside the back.

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    Have a WRX....transport my bike in the trunk...and the rear seats do not fold down, it just fits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    1992 Legacy wagon and it must be painted Dorian Grey because it doesn't seem to be aging badly at all. 229,000km and runs like a watch. Just stuck a set of Nokian WR tires on it so it matches at least one of my bikes for tire brands. Bikes fit inside the back.

    Nice. Mine is a '93 but turbocharged. The bike fits nicely in the back however I will get a rack for it soon.

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    im pretty sure you 4 are the only ones.

    oh, and me and my 90 legacy. VRC subaru?
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    I also drive a Subaru. 2004 Impreza Outback Sport. Waiting for a rack ($). I love this car to death. It was my first new car and she aint winning any beauty contests. But show me another car for less then 20K that can summit big bear mountain in California at 3 oclock in the morning with 3 200lb+ guys in it!

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    2001 Forester. Yakima top mount is on the way.

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    2 Subarus in the family. I drive an 02 WRX sedan, while my wife's car is an 06 Legacy wagon. We carry bikes on top of her car, with a Thule rack.

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    I've got an '01 Outback with the 2.5 liter engine. In the last two weeks I've had a head gasket AND the catalytic converter replaced (thank God it was covered under warranty), and I don't yet have 65k miles on my car! I'm getting a little nervous at this point....
    I might start looking for a new place for my Yakimas

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    Sorry Go Pirates. Thats a well known problem with those 2.5's (head gaskets).

    The new 2.5's no longer have that problem. The dealership should have used the new gaskets when they did your repair so you shouldnt have anything to worry about for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSubaruJunkie
    Sorry Go Pirates. Thats a well known problem with those 2.5's (head gaskets).

    The new 2.5's no longer have that problem. The dealership should have used the new gaskets when they did your repair so you shouldnt have anything to worry about for a while.
    I hope I'm good to go for a while, but one thing bothered me; the dealership claimed that Subaru would not replace both gaskets, only the bad one. I was hoping to replace both since they had the engine torn apart. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed for now.

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    woah, thats just bad practice in general.

    I might want to contact Subaru directly. The fault is in the gasket design and replacing just one leaves the other prone to failure.

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    2002 WRX here, Yakima rack for the bikes and snowboards.

    And I can see them only doing 1 of the headgaskets, seeing as how the other one means almost twice the labor as just doing one, so the dealer doesn't do labor they don't have too when they aren't getting paid for the labor time on warranty issues from a customer.

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    used to... been through a few, parents still loving their 6cyl. Outback, but we were throwing too much money at our last Impreza. Sure was fun to drive, and kind of thrashing our present Matrix XRS driving it like the subie.

    Just saw a new WRX wagon and it looks cool, sort of want a baja too, actually what I really want is an old brat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSubaruJunkie
    woah, thats just bad practice in general.

    I might want to contact Subaru directly. The fault is in the gasket design and replacing just one leaves the other prone to failure.

    Thanks for the heads-up, SJ. I took your advice and emailed Subaru about the other gasket. I'm anxious to see their response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airwreck
    used to... been through a few, parents still loving their 6cyl. Outback, but we were throwing too much money at our last Impreza. Sure was fun to drive, and kind of thrashing our present Matrix XRS driving it like the subie.

    Just saw a new WRX wagon and it looks cool, sort of want a baja too, actually what I really want is an old brat.

    The Brat was cool!! Most states nowadays won't allow you to ride in the back of a truck (not kids anyways). Hell, the Brat had two bucket-seats back there.

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    I have a Toyota Tundra and a 1999 Subaru Forester. I love the Forester. Yakima racks on the roof. Plenty of room for my three dogs.

    Head gasket leak 5,000 miles OUT OF WARRANTY. Bob Baker Subaru repaired for free! One year later, head gasket leak! Bob Baker Subaru and Subaru USA repaired for FREE!!
    Excellent vehicle, excellent customer service. I'm buying a new Forester at the end of this year.
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    I have had good luck with Subaru service. You can find a dealer that will convince S.O.A. to do anything under warranty, even if it is expired. My mom got a Tribeca about a year ago. It is okay, but I prefer the outback. It does better in the snow and stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by go-pirates
    The Brat was cool!! Most states nowadays won't allow you to ride in the back of a truck (not kids anyways). Hell, the Brat had two bucket-seats back there.

    The Brat came equiped with those seats and they had seat belts as well. States should let you ride back there since the vehicle was sold with those seats. They were there so Subaru could import the Brat as a passenger vehicle and avoid paying extra fee's for importing a "truck".

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    2006 subie OBS. Yakima high rollers, mounted backward so I can open the hatch. Before I started riding 20mm axle forks, I had a set of rockymounts (on the factory cross bars) cut so I could open the hatch.

    Those factory cross bars made me nervous with $10k worth of bike up there.

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    2004 WRX wagon. Love it. Has an OEM towbar for a T2 rack that I use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snobordboi
    And I can see them only doing 1 of the headgaskets, seeing as how the other one means almost twice the labor as just doing one, so the dealer doesn't do labor they don't have too when they aren't getting paid for the labor time on warranty issues from a customer.
    twice the labor? once you have the acc belts, timing belt covers, timing belt, crank pulley, and that damn tensioner off, why not take the 15 minutes to pull the 3 bolts for the valve cover and 8 bolts for the head gasket? I sure would if i knew how to do any of that work.
    The revised head gaskets are supposed to be much more sturdy than the junk they were using in 2001. I wouldn't worry about it too much once they've been attended to. Was it the precat on the same side as the blown head gasket that failed?


    hah, i was wondering if you were a 1.8t or a wrx owner, jayem.
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    Yeah ive never heard of anybody or any shop replacing just one head gasket. As I said before thats just plain bad practice period. There is really no additional work involved. You probably save $35 for the cost of the gasket.

    Let us know if you get a reply from SOA.

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    Here is my 03 subaru baja. 54000 miles without any problem.
    Love my car but sad to see that baja was discontinued.
    I don't like 09 forester so I am looking at next redesign forester or hoping for new baja.

    believe or not motul engine oil might increase your MPG.
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    I liked my '97 gray Legacy wagon 5-speed w/ leather so much, I replaced
    it with a 2005 gray Legacy wagon 5-speed w/ leather!

    It's too bad Subaru of America discontinued the Legacy wagon, because I really like the low stance compared to the outback (not to mention it's easier to get my junk on and off the roof!). It was hard enough to get ahold of my '05 (5-speed + leather / normally aspirated is all I wanted) -- we had to pick it up in Salt Lake City. Meanwhile, Legacy wagons aplenty are being manufactured in Indiana, for Canada! Wahh!

    I'm itching for the diesel variant to hit the states. 50+ MPG? I'm in. But I'm afraid they're going to make it only as an Outback automatic (the European and Australian markets are getting Legacy wagon + 5-speed).

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    I bought an 07 Impreza 2.5i last November. I'm using a hitch mount rack, something Performance sold several years ago, that holds 2 bikes on fork mount trays. I really need to get some pictures of this car.
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    Legacy Outback here

    2006 LL Bean model here.

    First Subaru for me but my oldest son had an STi. He couldn't kill it (he really did race it on Sunday and drive it to work on Monday) so I figured it was time to dump the VW. Nice car but a pig with the six cylinder.

    I hope that Subaru can figure out a way to substantially increase mpg by the time I purchase another car. I see that they offer a diesel in Europe but with the price of diesel fuel being as high as it is, I don't see that as an answer. I'm lucky that I use mass transit everyday so that gas prices are not killing me and the Subi is convenient for biking and skiing.

    Nice to have when you need the room. Not nice when you pay for gas. I can't even imagine owning a large SUV but than I always thought they were rather stupid vehicles.

    My real driving passion is when I use my wife's Mini Cooper and get 42 mpg.

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    Is yours an auto? I am not a fan of the Subi autos (or autos in general). My outback sport is a 2.5 stick shift, plenty quick, solid as a rock, and great gas mileage. I get 300+ on a 12-14 gallon tank. I love it. I walk most of the time or ride my bike though as I live in the city. But it is nice hardly ever having to fill her up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba
    My real driving passion is when I use my wife's Mini Cooper and get 42 mpg.
    I also drive my wife's mini. I don't think we get 42mpg yet because it's still new. I think MINI and subaru is a perfect combination.
    I saved $1100 for subaru bucks and hopefully, I will save $2000 subaru bucks and pay for Next new car down payment.

    Subaru for life

    if you want to improve MPG on subaru, try motul engine oil. I used mobile synthetic oil for 3 years and about 6 months, I changed to motul.
    somewhat reason, I get a 20-40 mpg improvement per tank. one time, my baja went over 400 miles (highway: ave. 75mpg) a tank (14 gallon).

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    I get free oil changes for life

    The engine oil you mentioned may improve my mpg but I'd have to pay for it so that would negate the savings. My dealer gave me free oil and filter changes for as long as I own the car (every 3k miles) so I'll stay with that.

    The best I can average with the six cylinder is 26 mpg when the trip is almost all highway and I keep the speed under 60 mph. Fortunately, we have a trip like this to get to our shore place so its feasible. The same trip is where we average 42 mpg with the Mini. Mostly highway, maybe 10 % city. Our Mini usually averages 36.5 mpg when you combine city/highway, the Subaru more like 20 mpg for a combination city/highway.

    As I said, I take mass transit so my daily commute is only 11 miles round trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillygui
    Is yours an auto? I am not a fan of the Subi autos (or autos in general).
    Mine is an auto, but thats only cause they never made Turbo Wagons with 5spds Not in 92-94. Sooner or later I will get around to converting it to a 5spd. I may try that oil, my mileage right now is horrible. Just last week I put 13.3 gallons in the tank and only had driven 152 miles on it. You do the math I guess it doesnt help that my right foot weighs 30lbs more than my left.

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    I have a 1998 subaru OBS. I got a yakima raptor for my bighit as well.

    Subaru's are the best vehicles ever. You can't beat the awd feature for getting you and your bike out to the best riding places, I can get mine to places where some of my friends won;t even take their trucks.

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    2006 Imprezza OBS. Yakima Raptors in the summer, Yakima Skybox 12S in the winter. Haven't tried running the racks and the box at the same time, but I see no issues doing so when I move across the country this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rip420tide
    2006 Imprezza OBS. Yakima Raptors in the summer, Yakima Skybox 12S in the winter. Haven't tried running the racks and the box at the same time, but I see no issues doing so when I move across the country this summer.
    I drove my little four banger with a uhaul trailer twice as big as it, packed to the gills, including 2 very heavy old motorcycles from SLC to Philly. No problems at all (except new tires and brake pads!) I love these cars.

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    No good

    I just got a reply from SOA. They said it was standard procedure to replace ONLY the faulty gasket under warranty. Bummer.....

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    Wife has a new (to us) 04 Forester XT with a 5 speed. A real giant killer for the $, but If I lived somewhere closer to sea level and outside the snow belt, I'd rather have a RWD car.

    By far the fastest car we've ever owned, yet it looks like a little grocery getter. Second only to the STI in Subaru's line up for 0-60 & 1/4 mile times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kimguroo
    I don't like 09 forester
    +1

    The 06+ sure are nicer looking than the previous iterations so they were headed in the right direction but then
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    Yeah, but it's zero to 60 time is due to AWD and no wheel spin, at higher speeds a Z will smoke the forester, or from a rolling start the Z will smoke the forester. If you drive the forester so that it gets those kinds of numbers (it requires a 5000rpm clutch slip) one of two things happens, you go real fast because of the AWD or you kill the clutch or some other driveline part. The AWD makes the zero to 60 numbers seem rediculously small, but in reality it's not that the car is that fast, it's that it's reved up high and then the clutch is slipped and there's no wheelspin. These cars run out of breath fast when doing accelerations like this, and only bigger turbos (and required mods) really help to a high degree.

    The Z is going to smoke the forester doing anything other than a 5000rpm clutch drop.
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    I have questions to subaru owners:

    does the windows of subaru leak in air during hwy travel?

    how reliable is subaru engine over 5yr period?

    Is there major mechanical break down for subaru?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorMojo
    Have a WRX....transport my bike in the trunk...and the rear seats do not fold down, it just fits.
    how do you manage to squeeze the bike into the trunk? I am curious. I have an accord 4cyl 1993 model. I have to take out the front wheel and squeeze the bike all the way into the car with backseat fold down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Picard
    I have questions to subaru owners:

    does the windows of subaru leak in air during hwy travel?
    Ive owned 16 Subaru's. Only one has leaked at highway speeds but the window was messed up to begin with.

    how reliable is subaru engine over 5yr period?
    You can expect to see 250,000 miles on a Subaru Motor before its first major overhaul.

    Is there major mechanical break down for subaru?
    Like any other motor vehicle, that all depends on how well the engine was maintained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSubaruJunkie
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    thanks for the reply Brian.

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    I have questions to subaru owners:

    does the windows of subaru leak in air during hwy travel?
    Don't have any problem with it

    how reliable is subaru engine over 5yr period?
    my subaru baja is 4 years and 4 months so far.
    never had any problem.

    Is there major mechanical break down for subaru?
    only changed engine oil and free break pad replacement at 35000 miles (warranty).
    I changed an engine oil to motul and I felt my car goes stronger than ever (55000miles)

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    Subaru? Isn't that like some South American rodent?
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    Nope, its a cluster of stars

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    2005 Legacy 3.0R Spec B here (in the EU the Spec B comes with a 3 liter and a manual). Got this car about two months ago and so far I really like it. Stops at the petrol station are a bit more frequent though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Yeah, but it's zero to 60 time is due to AWD and no wheel spin, at higher speeds a Z will smoke the forester, or from a rolling start the Z will smoke the forester. If you drive the forester so that it gets those kinds of numbers (it requires a 5000rpm clutch slip) one of two things happens, you go real fast because of the AWD or you kill the clutch or some other driveline part. The AWD makes the zero to 60 numbers seem rediculously small, but in reality it's not that the car is that fast, it's that it's reved up high and then the clutch is slipped and there's no wheelspin. These cars run out of breath fast when doing accelerations like this, and only bigger turbos (and required mods) really help to a high degree.

    The Z is going to smoke the forester doing anything other than a 5000rpm clutch drop.
    The 04 & 05 forester had the 2.5 from the STI and makes peak Torque at 3500rpm. Of course just about any car will benefit from a hard launch, 350Z included, but a reasonably casual launch in the FXT (under 2,000 rpm) will have you pinned to your seat.

    I'm sure the 350Z will make good at higher speed, but the FXT is still quicker in the 1/4 mile (at over 90MPH). AWD or not I'd hardly call a high 13's car "not that fast".

    The 350z is a much nicer car in so many ways and if I lived back in Australia and didn't have a baby on the way, I wouldn't even give the FXT a second look. I prefer a naturally aspirated RWD car, but not when driving at 5,000-11,000 feet in all kinds of weather. Remember that a naturally aspirated car looses 3% of it HP for every 1,000ft of altitude. A turbo looses some power as well, but not as much.

    However there is no denying that while the FXT is no super car, it has incredible real world performance for a stock "SUV" and it's power is very accessible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    The 04 & 05 forester had the 2.5 from the STI and makes peak Torque at 3500rpm. Of course just about any car will benefit from a hard launch, 350Z included, but a reasonably casual launch in the FXT (under 2,000 rpm) will have you pinned to your seat.

    I'm sure the 350Z will make good at higher speed, but the FXT is still quicker in the 1/4 mile (at over 90MPH). AWD or not I'd hardly call a high 13's car "not that fast".

    The 350z is a much nicer car in so many ways and if I lived back in Australia and didn't have a baby on the way, I wouldn't even give the FXT a second look. I prefer a naturally aspirated RWD car, but not when driving at 5,000-11,000 feet in all kinds of weather. Remember that a naturally aspirated car looses 3% of it HP for every 1,000ft of altitude. A turbo looses some power as well, but not as much.

    The forester is a good car with some get up and go, but it's no Z and that commercial/advertisement was pretty misleading due to the 0-60 acceleration requiring a clutch slip, but that's a known thing with subarus. WRXs are easily beat as well with cars that have more power, but rarely "off the line".


    However there is no denying that while the FXT is no super car, it has incredible real world performance for a stock "SUV" and it's power is very accessible.
    ???
    Not according to all the information I can find, Zs can do 13.6 or so stock, foresters are 14 or above for the 1/4 mile. ???

    There's also the issue of the huge driveline losses you have with AWD, around 60hp for the stock vehicles, the nissan Z and other cars that aren't powering all wheels retain a lot more horsepower, in fact vehicles with less hp than the forester and wrx can give it a run for it's money in a straight line, and sometimes in turns as well due to the soft suspension on the newer subies, although it depends then on the surface and other factors where awd might be better. Check out a mazda MS3 if you want to see something that's quite a bit faster. No awd is a dissapointer, but the thing can easily dust any forester or wrx in stock trim, even give an sti a run for the money, but the sti is a better vehicle in many ways such as brakes and handling.

    The forester xt is a car that has some get up and go, but the adds are kind of misleading and a Z will smoke it in most situations.
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    Not according to all the information I can find, Zs can do 13.6 or so stock, foresters are 14 or above for the 1/4 mile. ???

    There's also the issue of the huge driveline losses you have with AWD, around 60hp for the stock vehicles, the nissan Z and other cars that aren't powering all wheels retain a lot more horsepower, in fact vehicles with less hp than the forester and wrx can give it a run for it's money in a straight line, and sometimes in turns as well due to the soft suspension on the newer subies, although it depends then on the surface and other factors where awd might be better. Check out a mazda MS3 if you want to see something that's quite a bit faster. No awd is a dissapointer, but the thing can easily dust any forester or wrx in stock trim, even give an sti a run for the money, but the sti is a better vehicle in many ways such as brakes and handling.

    The forester xt is a car that has some get up and go, but the adds are kind of misleading and a Z will smoke it in most situations.
    The 04' & 05' FXT's have very short gearing, which they changed in 06 onward to improve gas millage. The 04 FXT's were also underrated by about 30hp. Car and driver had it 13.8 in the 1/4, the 06+ XT's can't match that time though, so maybe that's what your thinking of.

    Anyway, here are the numbers recorded at http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html

    2004 Nissan 350z Roadster 5.7 14.3
    2004 Nissan 350Z 5.3 13.77 (M.T. Mar '04)
    2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 Speed 5.8 14.3 (C&D Apr '05)

    2004 Subaru Forester 2.5 XT, Turbo 5.3 13.8 (C&D Aug '03)
    2007 Subaru Forester 2.5XT 5.9 14.3 (C&D Online)

    At altitude, the FXT is going to do even better relative to the 350Z. Throw in some real world Colorado conditions like gravel, crappy Denver roads, rain/snow...

    Stock for stock I'm sure the 350Z will eat the FXT alive on a track or autocross. The 350Z will out brake, out turn and out handle the FXT. My wifes other car is 96 Mazda Miata with upgraded sway bars, brake pads and Falken Azenis tires (close to race rubber) so I know first hand what a nice light weight RWD car do at an autocross.

    However in the end the numbers mean nothing unless the car is fun to drive in your typical day to day conditions.

    {edit} sorry to the OP for the thread jack... at least we're still talking about Subarus, right!?
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    Lets just settle this right here and right now.

    Someone who owns a Z go throw 3 mountain bikes in the back of it.

    Now, someone here with a Forester do the same.

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    2004 Subaru Forester 2.5 XT, Turbo 5.3 13.8 (C&D Aug '03)
    2007 Subaru Forester 2.5XT 5.9 14.3 (C&D Online)

    At altitude, the FXT is going to do even better relative to the 350Z. Throw in some real world Colorado conditions like gravel, crappy Denver roads, rain/snow...
    The limited number of data points means that data is useless, sorry.

    At altitude, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but you drop a pretty good amount of power as you get higher, it's not like our turbocharged airplanes that maintain sea-level power untill a certain altitude, they drop off just like everything else, and with similer turbos and settings it's going to drop off an inch of so for every thousand feet. Otherwise, your turbo would be working "harder" up at altitude than it does at sea level. People don't really want that because if your turbo can then do "it" at altitude, then it can do "more" at a lower altitude. In the airplane-world, we use turbos to maintain sea-level power up to something called a "critical altitude", which could be up at 15,000' or something, allowing the aircraft to cruise up to 20,000 or more with a piston engine. In this case, we work the turbos "harder" at higher altitude, but the entire system isn't designed to deliver more than sea-level power.

    Again, an FXT is a nice vehicle with some get up and go, but it does so due to the AWD and being able to deliver that power with no spin. That "sti" engine doesn't mean that much as it's only .5l bigger than a 2.0 and it's the turbo that is really the heart of the car. Low boost=low hp, not that it's a good idea to always build huge boost. You can pump up an FXR or any other car to go "real fast", but again to equal a car with better brakes and handling and such then requires an almost endless amount of mods.
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    The limited number of data points means that data is useless, sorry.

    At altitude, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but you drop a pretty good amount of power as you get higher, it's not like our turbocharged airplanes that maintain sea-level power untill a certain altitude, they drop off just like everything else, and with similer turbos and settings it's going to drop off an inch of so for every thousand feet. Otherwise, your turbo would be working "harder" up at altitude than it does at sea level. People don't really want that because if your turbo can then do "it" at altitude, then it can do "more" at a lower altitude. In the airplane-world, we use turbos to maintain sea-level power up to something called a "critical altitude", which could be up at 15,000' or something, allowing the aircraft to cruise up to 20,000 or more with a piston engine. In this case, we work the turbos "harder" at higher altitude, but the entire system isn't designed to deliver more than sea-level power.

    Again, an FXT is a nice vehicle with some get up and go, but it does so due to the AWD and being able to deliver that power with no spin. That "sti" engine doesn't mean that much as it's only .5l bigger than a 2.0 and it's the turbo that is really the heart of the car. Low boost=low hp, not that it's a good idea to always build huge boost. You can pump up an FXR or any other car to go "real fast", but again to equal a car with better brakes and handling and such then requires an almost endless amount of mods.
    Useless? I think most people would agree that the one data point that counts is, who crossed the line first, and if 1/4 mile times from a reputable publication (Car and Driver) doesn't count, then I don't know what does. Sure it doesn't tell the whole story on a car, but the FACT is in 2004, the FXT out ran the 350z in the 1/4 mile (up to 97MPH). Of course we could modify the rules of the race to favor one car of the other (i.e. rolling start, rain/snow/dirt) it's an endless argument then. They are both fast cars designed for total different purposes.

    As far as the FXT being fast because it's AWD? Sorry, but that's just not the case. Sure the AWD helps it get off the mark, but if AWD is all it took, then all subaru's in this thread should be getting high 13's . If we were talking about the 2.0 WRX I'd agree. It's just doesn't feel fast but if you get the chance to drive a 04-05 FXT you'll see what I mean.

    The 2.5 from the sti isn't just and additional 0.5l of displacement over the 2.0. It has AVCS (and a bunch of other goodies) which helps with low end torque.

    Active Valve Control System
    The STi's dual over-head camshaft (DOHC) cylinder heads use hollow camshafts to reduce mass. Shimless cam followers reduce valvetrain mass to enhance response. The WRX STi powerplant incorporates Subaru's Active Valve Control System variable valve timing technology to optimize the engine's volumetric efficiency throughout the rev band.

    Active Valve Control adjusts intake camshaft timing to employ the ideal intake and exhaust valve overlap under all engine operating conditions. The system helps eliminate the traditional compromise between low-end torque and high-rpm horsepower and also helps to enhance fuel economy and reduce emissions.

    The Active Valve Control System can rotate the intake camshafts through a range of 35 degrees relative to the crankshaft. The Engine Control Module (ECM) regulates this movement, based on input from various sensors - airflow, engine coolant temperature, throttle position and camshaft position. The ECM generates an electrical output signal to an oil control valve positioned at each intake camshaft sprocket. Oil pressure is then varied within "advance" and "retard" chambers inside the Active Valve Control System actuator. The system calls upon computer maps to respond to various driving conditions, providing ideal valve timing for stable engine idling and optimum torque across the engine speed range.
    As far as altitude goes, yes all cars will lose power unless they have altitude correction (Audi does apparently). However a turbo will loose less power relative to a NA car (agree?) - at least from all the reading I've done on the subject. I should have saved the links since he worked out the math and it was a very interesting read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    Useless? I think most people would agree that the one data point that counts is, who crossed the line first, and if 1/4 mile times from a reputable publication (Car and Driver) doesn't count, then I don't know what does. Sure it doesn't tell the whole story on a car, but the FACT is in 2004, the FXT out ran the 350z in the 1/4 mile (up to 97MPH). Of course we could modify the rules of the race to favor one car of the other (i.e. rolling start, rain/snow/dirt) it's an endless argument then. They are both fast cars.

    As far as the FXT being fast because it's AWD? Sorry, but that's just not the case. Sure the AWD helps it get off the mark, but if AWD is all it took, then all subaru's in this thread should be getting high 13's . If we were talking about the 2.0 WRX I'd agree. It's just doesn't feel fast but if you get the chance to drive a 04-05 FXT you'll see what I mean.

    The 2.5 from the sti isn't just and additional 0.5l of displacement over the 2.0. It has AVCS (and a bunch of other goodies) which helps with low end torque.



    As far as altitude goes, yes all cars will lose power unless they have altitude correction (Audi does apparently). However a turbo will loose less power relative to a NA car (agree?) - at least from all the reading I've done on the subject. I should have saved the links since he worked out the math and it was a very interesting read.
    More info for you from nasioc;

    But Kevin, their have been plenty of tests of the 350Z that has gotten 0-60 times of 5.4-5.5 seconds and 1/4 mile times of 14.1 @ 100+ mph.
    These times are also duplicated by the owners at the tracks.

    On the other hand, the times that C & D got for the FXT are HIGHLY suspicious and questioned by MANY. That time has NEVER been duplicated by ANY OTHER testing magazine who tested the car, and search this and the Forester board...no owner has duplicated those times at the track either.
    They seem to be running a best time of 14.2 at 92-94 mph the track and averaging slower than that.


    In a full on race, the FXT would jump about a car length at the start and then the 350Z would begin reeling it in right away, and never look back shortly thereafter."
    I've also never understood the "oh, it's an underrated car" thing. What, does it dyno then 20hp higher or whatever? No? Then how the hell is it "underrated". I know they say the same thing about my car, but you put it on a dyno and see how much hp is at the wheels, then add the amount of known drivetrain loss= cars rated horsepower, so where does all this magical "underrated" power come from?

    In any case, just as the poster above said, no one is getting sub 14 second quater-miles with stock foresters, the C and D figures have not been duplicated by any other testers, and every post I've found on nasioc of someone running under 14 in a forester has something like an sti turbo, exhaust and EM at the least, so that number is just BS, again, usless. The forester is no supercar, and a Z will eat it for lunch in 95% of situations, but yes if you clutch drop from a standstill you'll get a car length for a little while (to 60mph). Perhaps a quicker 0-60 in that specific situation (not a rolling 5-60). The Z eats it on the quarter mile and everywhere else.
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    Yay... did you two finally figure it out?

    The 350Z is a sports car.

    The Forester is a SUV.


    Call a truce??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    More info for you from nasioc;

    "But Kevin, their have been plenty of tests of the 350Z that has gotten 0-60 times of 5.4-5.5 seconds and 1/4 mile times of 14.1 @ 100+ mph.
    These times are also duplicated by the owners at the tracks.

    On the other hand, the times that C & D got for the FXT are HIGHLY suspicious and questioned by MANY. That time has NEVER been duplicated by ANY OTHER testing magazine who tested the car, and search this and the Forester board...no owner has duplicated those times at the track either.
    They seem to be running a best time of 14.2 at 92-94 mph the track and averaging slower than that.


    In a full on race, the FXT would jump about a car length at the start and then the 350Z would begin reeling it in right away, and never look back shortly thereafter."

    I've also never understood the "oh, it's an underrated car" thing. What, does it dyno then 20hp higher or whatever? No? Then how the hell is it "underrated". I know they say the same thing about my car, but you put it on a dyno and see how much hp is at the wheels, then add the amount of known drivetrain loss= cars rated horsepower, so where does all this magical "underrated" power come from?

    A lot of people questioned the FXT times at first due the published 210hp rating from Subaru. As it turns out the FXT has about 240-250HP. Not to mention that most people forget to factor in the ultra low gearing on the FXT.

    If you know the % drive train loss, then you can calculate the crank HP from the wheel HP.

    Not a good idea to compare 1/4 mile times by different drivers at different tracks. What was the date of that post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    A lot of people questioned the FXT times at first due the published 210hp rating from Subaru. As it turns out the FXT has about 240-250HP. Not to mention that most people forget to factor in the ultra low gearing on the FXT.

    If you know the % drive train loss, then you can calculate the crank HP from the wheel HP.

    Not a good idea to compare 1/4 mile times by different drivers at different tracks. What was the date of that post?
    Uhh, no, these AWD cars loose about 25% of their power to the driveline, that means 60hp for a 230hp wrx and about 50hp for a 220hp forester, subtract the 50hp and you're left with 170 at the wheels, which is where most of the foresters that I've just looked up dyno at. Not severely "underrated" at all. Actually just about right where they're supposed to be. Even if they are "underrated" we're talking about 10hp or so, not 30-40hp...heh.. One of the problems here though is that people tend to apply that "60hp" for the wrx value to all the cars, and assume it's the same, well it's not because it's more like a percentage, so it's not 60hp for every car, but if you start doing that you think that your forester should dyno at 150hp or something, then it dynos at 170, wow! it must be severely underrated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picard
    I have questions to subaru owners:

    does the windows of subaru leak in air during hwy travel?

    how reliable is subaru engine over 5yr period?

    Is there major mechanical break down for subaru?
    i have a 2000 legacy wagon and problems just keep coming.
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    corrosion to chassis is unlike anything i've seen before. rust everywhere. you definately have to undercoat to protect.
    would i buy another?? i don't think so....if your looking for a 5yr commitment you'll probably be ok depending on mileage. I have heard that tranny problems for my model year were due to cooling issues which were remedied for 01 model year.

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    Don't know what else I can say, I conceded your point that the 350Z is faster in a number of situations, yet you fail to acknowledge that the FXT's faster or, at worst equal in 1/4 mile times. Apparently there's been a few documented high 13's with a stock 04/05 FXT's and I'd image that most FXT's never get taken to the Drag stip. Over and out.

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    My wife's got an 04 Impreza, we've also had a 97 Legacy sedan and a 1993 Impreza.
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    Hey can we stop the 350z v. Forrester argument. They are two different types of cars. Quit the bench racing. If you want to settle it meet somewhere (hopefully a track) and race. Maybe make it an all day event! (with a little rally action.)

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    forester is a bunch of power in a silly imitation suv body, and you have to pull the fender to change a 200$ light bulb in a 350z. Both are ridiculous.

    How often does a stock 350z roll up and drag race a stock forester? Since nobody knows, we have to assume it never happens, and so the results are pretty damn unimportant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picard
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    how reliable is subaru engine over 5yr period?

    Is there major mechanical break down for subaru?

    Subarus are great cars for sure, very dependable, excellent safety record, good mileage and such. But the window leaking air is something that's kept me from pulling the trigger on one. Well that and the fact I just can't get the seating position into a place that's comfortable for me. I know two people with Foresters and they both whistle on the highway. They also leak when they wash their cars. Not saying its something really common or anything like that, but its been a deal breaker for me. Maybe I'm paranoid. The new Forester has a frame around the window so it should seal better. I think it looks better too, but that's a personal thing. So does the Tribeca. Those two have been on my short list for a replacement for my Tundra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faustus
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    Well, does test drive count...?
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    I'll be using the '08 to shuttle my bike to the XC races this year, so I've gone with the factory roof bars with Thule Peleton's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK Chris
    I know two people with Foresters and they both whistle on the highway. They also leak when they wash their cars. Not saying its something really common or anything like that, but its been a deal breaker for me. Maybe I'm paranoid. The new Forester has a frame around the window so it should seal better.
    All the new Subies have framed windows now. Cannot comment on the Foresters, but my '02 WRX wagon has always been tight despite frameless windows. No noise or leaks and it's 6.5 yrs old now. We have harsh winters to deal with also...oh and did I say I love this car?

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    Another plus for the Impreza line is that it is still being built in Japan. The Legacy lineup for North America is built in the USA.

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    Have you all seen this Subaru commercial?

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    Had not seen that one Nat ( I don't watch much TV) but I do like to grab WRC torrents from here. Some amazing driving
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    You know I am SO F SHOCKED that wacked out subaru did not employ this design...OMG it is SO much fresher than the old staggered, square box shape of Subaru's past gone. This design REALLY would have gathered a whole new look for them while maintaining the integrity of the Subaru theme. What a bunch of nobs...One of the companies I work for also designs the clusters for them aswell...but we only get minimal discount though.



    This design is so hot...I love it. But the back is much to be desired in terms of the rear spoiler, rear exhausts - the rear...! The front and sides are great, but on the whole it would have only needed minimal refinement to make it a complete hit and a classic new shape for them. Too conservative in the area though.

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    Got my bike tray mounted to the wagon finally Here's a shot of the FSR up on top.


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    Subarus may be a little harder on gas than rwd/fwd only cars, but if you drive in snow its worth it. I am a bike, ski, paddlesports dealer and this car gets me to Vermont a couple of times every winter (1000km drive) in complete confidence.
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    Looks like I need to change my underpants again.

    Of course, that was all American rally footage. Whenever Pastrana and Block race outside of the US they seem to end up in a ditch. On the other hand the Euros haven't quite mastered the 170-foot gap jump!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSubaruJunkie
    Got my bike tray mounted to the wagon finally Here's a shot of the FSR up on top.
    Good lord man, is that a Toyota in your garage?

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    Yeah thats my truck in the garage... and in the garage it sits. Tired of wrenching on it, and with the mountain bike I plan on using that to get me into the woods this summer.

    Its a fun rig, but I'm fighting to get it passed the CA smog and make it legal again.

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    It gets me more places than my lifted Subaru ever got me... however for some reason it just isn't as much fun. Dont get me wrong, its fun... but just doesn't have that "im wheelin a subaru" feel to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK Chris
    Subarus are great cars for sure, very dependable, excellent safety record, good mileage and such. But the window leaking air is something that's kept me from pulling the trigger on one. Well that and the fact I just can't get the seating position into a place that's comfortable for me. I know two people with Foresters and they both whistle on the highway. They also leak when they wash their cars. Not saying its something really common or anything like that, but its been a deal breaker for me. Maybe I'm paranoid. The new Forester has a frame around the window so it should seal better. I think it looks better too, but that's a personal thing. So does the Tribeca. Those two have been on my short list for a replacement for my Tundra.
    I have a 2006 Forester and the windows dont leak but I can see how they might. They are basically sealed by a rubber trim strip and if its damaged then they might leak. My car is loud on the highway. Especially w 40+psi in the tires. But hey i'm getting 24mpg and I can sleep in the back of it with the seats folded down. Not too many cars out there that you can camp inside of them and i'm 6'3". Road noise can be fixed by pulling the carpet and putting in some dynamat. Ride comfort is better than my old Tacoma, the iron maiden of trucks.

    Bikewise, i've stacked 3 FS bikes in the back and hauled 3 riders.

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    I have a Subaru, a 2004 Forester XT in fact.
    I have 2 roof mounted Thule Big Mouths. I don't have any pictures with my Bike on top, I gotta take some pictures next time I through the Bikes on.
    The Forester XT is the perfect vehicle for me. Snowboarding, Biking, Family and Performance.
    I currently have 110k miles on it and it hasn't slowed down yet.

    I don't really want to get in the middle of that Forester XT vs 350z argument, but I will put in my two cents. No I haven't raced, one however my friend does have a 350z which I have driven. Honestly, for a sports car, it's not that quick. The forester feels quicker even from a roll.
    Yes, the AWD of the Subaru helps it Launch of the line, however a rolling start from 10mph will snap your head back just quick. The gearing is so short as mentioned earlier, and this helps it with those 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.
    Yes, The 350z Handles better, but that is what it's designed for. It's like arguing that the Forester can fit more people, well of course it can that is what it was designed for.

    One of the reason's I bought the Forester XT was because, I wanted a "sporty car" but needed more practicality. I don't know of one car that can do it, but the Forester XT is pretty good at alot of things.

    Anyway here is a picture of my '04 Forester XT, and yes Subarus and Bikes do go hand in hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RumRunnerXT
    I have a Subaru, a 2004 Forester XT in fact.
    I have 2 roof mounted Thule Big Mouths. I don't have any pictures with my Bike on top, I gotta take some pictures next time I through the Bikes on.
    The Forester XT is the perfect vehicle for me. Snowboarding, Biking, Family and Performance.
    I currently have 110k miles on it and it hasn't slowed down yet.

    I don't really want to get in the middle of that Forester XT vs 350z argument, but I will put in my two cents. No I haven't raced, one however my friend does have a 350z which I have driven. Honestly, for a sports car, it's not that quick. The forester feels quicker even from a roll.
    Yes, the AWD of the Subaru helps it Launch of the line, however a rolling start from 10mph will snap your head back just quick. The gearing is so short as mentioned earlier, and this helps it with those 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.
    Yes, The 350z Handles better, but that is what it's designed for. It's like arguing that the Forester can fit more people, well of course it can that is what it was designed for.

    One of the reason's I bought the Forester XT was because, I wanted a "sporty car" but needed more practicality. I don't know of one car that can do it, but the Forester XT is pretty good at alot of things.

    Anyway here is a picture of my '04 Forester XT, and yes Subarus and Bikes do go hand in hand.
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    I love the white FXT's . I have been really happy with mine so far. I have only owned it since the 1st of March. I have a bad habit of gong through cars like underware, and so far I have no desire to get rid of the scoobie THe turbo Foresters are not the ultimate sports cars, but they cover many different bases very well. Like hauling bikes, and still driving fast and sporty.

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    Alot of nice subarus here!
    9guy9 - your Forester is Nice, what suspension setup do you have? I see the larger scoop is there an STi intercooler under that?

    RyGuy - If your interested in better handling and keeping decent ground clearance on your Forester, you can always just switch the Rear Sway Bar to an STi one for cheap ($120), it will take alot of the body roll out, an additional option would be to get the forester STi springs which I have installed as well, which only lower it an inch but are slightly stiffer.

    Lets see more Subarus

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    Edmunds / Car & Driver has a piece on the 2010 wagon redesign, which is definitely going to solicit strong opinions pro and con.

    https://www.edmunds.com/insideline/d...cleId=126468#3

    Unfortunately, no commitment on the diesel boxer just yet, and still no word of the Legacy wagon re-entering the lineup.

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    I have to say so far the face is 100% better... The lights really set off the wheel arch lines and give the Fr facia a really nice aggressive yet more refined look. Taking away from the boring blase old style face. I still think the insignia and grill area are a little off in terms of the rest of the design idea and feel awkward in many ways.

    But all in all, its so much better...the light cluster is fantastic and picking more up from the above redesigned pic above in post 76. My company does some of the parts for this car and in Tokyo will get to have a better look VERY soon, as of yet I have only seen drawings and mocks as well as photo shoots. Still wish they would produce a variation on the better aspects of the Lars Martensson design from his own hatchback but suited up as the Impreza STI 2008 model...man I drool on many design aspects of that car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedub.Nate
    Edmunds / Car & Driver has a piece on the 2010 wagon redesign, which is definitely going to solicit strong opinions pro and con.

    https://www.edmunds.com/insideline/d...cleId=126468#3

    Unfortunately, no commitment on the diesel boxer just yet, and still no word of the Legacy wagon re-entering the lineup.

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    I like the part about the 430hp Legacy STI. Holy cow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sim2u
    I have to say so far the face is 100% better... The lights really set off the wheel arch lines and give the Fr facia a really nice aggressive yet more refined look. Taking away from the boring blase old style face. I still think the insignia and grill area are a little off in terms of the rest of the design idea and feel awkward in many ways.

    But all in all, its so much better...
    Sim-

    That is how my wife summed up the Outback vs Forester. Although the Forester does have some of the new corporate look, I felt inside it was not of as high a quality. Given the IMBA VIP and rebates they are about the same price.

    The '10 Outback hopefully will have a 5speed auto, and more ground clearance than the drawing. I also felt the rear seat was bigger on the Forester than Outback.

    Do I make her happy or get the wagon

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    Quote Originally Posted by RumRunnerXT
    Alot of nice subarus here!
    9guy9 - your Forester is Nice, what suspension setup do you have? I see the larger scoop is there an STi intercooler under that?

    RyGuy - If your interested in better handling and keeping decent ground clearance on your Forester, you can always just switch the Rear Sway Bar to an STi one for cheap ($120), it will take alot of the body roll out, an additional option would be to get the forester STi springs which I have installed as well, which only lower it an inch but are slightly stiffer.

    Lets see more Subarus

    I have a drummond coil over setup in my FXT, along with cobb swaybars. Now that the weather is nice and its warm out I love it. But during cold temps it is very stiff and harsh. I am looking for a good deal on a set of STi takeoff's to swap in. here is a ESX intercooler under the scoop, as well as a Cobb header and full exhaust. I bought the car with all the mods done which was nice as it saved me quite a chunk of change. I just need to find a bigger turbo.


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    Yes I have to say that I gave just a very brief visual opinion at best...when the talk starts getting techy, it just drools into pages, so best just to slam it down simple I guess.

    But as to your choice...man, that IS a hard one I hvae to say. I like both and I do aggree on the quality. I was deciding between the Alfa Romeo Brera 3.2V6 Q4 Skywindow top spec with an after market Autodelta J5 kit...OR the 2008 STI WRX Impreza. To compare the quality minus price, the STI left me feeling great in terms of its drivable aspects but the cabin build, choice of materials, feel and look...well, let me just say that I felt as if I had bought it for the price being sold for I would hahve felt ripped off. It just felt like for the price, its should of had a bit more...to it.

    I went for the Brera...next year we get the J5 kit done...which is bloody crazy expensive to have done here in Japan due to the fact that there are no Autodelta groups here and Jano himself has to fly up and slap all the pretty bits on, like the Supercharger, suspension kit, 19" rims+wheels, exhaust headers cats, ecu mod etc etc SOo far I have to say I love the brera, even if its a bit heavier but the STI felt more responsive and much more snappier.

    But...I would not want to have your choice mate...hard one indeedy. I have to say though I do prefere the forester, snap a Turbo on it and whah-lah...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack'sDad
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    That is how my wife summed up the Outback vs Forester. Although the Forester does have some of the new corporate look, I felt inside it was not of as high a quality. Given the IMBA VIP and rebates they are about the same price.

    The '10 Outback hopefully will have a 5speed auto, and more ground clearance than the drawing. I also felt the rear seat was bigger on the Forester than Outback.

    Do I make her happy or get the wagon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedub.Nate
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    Wow! That is HOT!

    I love my 2007 Legacy GT but I'm starting to regret not getting the wagon. If they bring back the wagon in 2010 with that look, I'll be trading it in for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbon Ken
    Wow! That is HOT!

    I love my 2007 Legacy GT but I'm starting to regret not getting the wagon. If they bring back the wagon in 2010 with that look, I'll be trading it in for sure!
    Well, what I am entirely unclear on is that the concept vehicle pictured has pretty low ground clearance in keeping with the Legacy, but seems entirely inappropriate for the Outback.

    My hope is this is an indication of thereturn of the Legacy wagon to the US market. They're still building them in the US assembly facility for sale in Canada, and the Legacy wagon remains popular in Europe.
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    I bought 1" foam rolls to use when I put the bikes in the back of the Brera along with a top plastic sheet which is 2m x 2m, when all is said and done...i just roll them all up and its takes minimal room in the back when not used. Just a cheap solution really but works great.

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    Wow thats cool...like a ride you pay to go on at the show, nice.

    Your neighbour must be a real patriot in the extreme though...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sim2u
    Wow thats cool...like a ride you pay to go on at the show, nice.

    Your neighbour must be a real patriot in the extreme though...?
    Assuming you mean me. Actually he seemed kind of hippie-like. He was always out playing his guitar on the sidewalk. We actually only lived in that house for a year (rental) & I never really talked to the neighbors much. The Jeep was mine (gone now, miss it but not the mpg) and the Sport Trac & Fiat were my roomates.

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    No pix, apologies OP, but I'm still rolling in a 2000 Subaru Impreza L (5d wagon, sans the Outback sportiness). Always been a bit disappointed in the gas mileage, even with the smaller 2.0L engine; I dropped it off at the dealership fa 90K-mile tuneup and saw the '08 Outback Sport has practically the same mileage, 8 years later.

    However, it's been so badly abused and comes back for more. I've had a few electronic switches replaced, and the rear bearings did need replacement this week, but no major problems. The driver's side window is getting noisy at speed as the rubber seals unseat, too. But all minor quibbles; the engine runs great and it's never left me stranded anywhere. Not the sexiest of wheels, but I love it.

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    Another Subaru owner here

    No pics yet, but I bought an 07' Impreza 2.5i wagon last March. Just passed 20K miles on it. I actually bought the factory bike rack (rebranded Yakima Raptor) for mine and the fiancee's bikes. I've actually been able to put both of them in the back of the car with the seats folded down on several occasions as well. I love my car - it gets decent gas mileage (27-28 mpg highway), is great during the winter, and can haul camping gear, bikes, and music equipment (amps/guitars) with ease.

    You can also find me on NASIOC.com.
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    Use to have an 04 wrx. Would like to pick up a forester xt in the future.

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    cool...yeah i was simply looking at the huge American flag dangling from the side of his house and just made an assumption really. I really am none too sure, but thesedays is the culture of hanging flags still predominant in the suburbs at all>>>? BTW, that jeep you used to have, man I love those cars...VERY tough, pity you sold it though.



    Quote Originally Posted by shortbus901
    Assuming you mean me. Actually he seemed kind of hippie-like. He was always out playing his guitar on the sidewalk. We actually only lived in that house for a year (rental) & I never really talked to the neighbors much. The Jeep was mine (gone now, miss it but not the mpg) and the Sport Trac & Fiat were my roomates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    2004 WRX wagon. Love it. Has an OEM towbar for a T2 rack that I use.

    Ive got an 04 WRX wagon in blue....love it.....well not now with gas being 2.15

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    I've got a 96 outback...was throwing the bikes in the back but got a rear rack. The top rack was too much on the MPG to make it worth it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortbus901
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    That's a nice Brat! So clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sim2u
    cool...yeah i was simply looking at the huge American flag dangling from the side of his house and just made an assumption really. I really am none too sure, but thesedays is the culture of hanging flags still predominant in the suburbs at all>>>? BTW, that jeep you used to have, man I love those cars...VERY tough, pity you sold it though.
    Not too predominant but I am in the South, if it's not the stars & stripes it's the stars & bars

    I do miss the Jeep but looking back I'm glad I got out of it while gas was still < $2 & it was still worth something.

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    Nice Ru! Is it a dual range with the center locker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrack
    Nice Ru! Is it a dual range with the center locker?
    Thanks! It is actually the 4EAT; I think it is the first year for it. It has an electronic locking center diff with a manual pushbutton override, and a LSD in the rear. One of my many pending projects is making a paddle shifter for it.

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    If you have a Subaru Outback wth a Uhaul trailer hitch, you may find that your bike rack doesnt allow you to open the hatch without touching your bikes. Go to E-trailer.com they have a 6 and 10 inch hitch extention that is inexpensive and looks OEM...it works like a champ...basically it extends the rack out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcupach
    If you have a Subaru Outback wth a Uhaul trailer hitch, you may find that your bike rack doesnt allow you to open the hatch without touching your bikes. Go to E-trailer.com they have a 6 and 10 inch hitch extention that is inexpensive and looks OEM...it works like a champ...basically it extends the rack out.
    If you have T2 you can tilt the entire rack down to get into the rear, without having to extend it (which is bad for the approach-angle clearance). Those extentions are increasing the leverage on the entire system as well, so my advice would be to avoid them if at all possible. I realize some people will need and use them, but with the right rack is not an issue and there are some negatives with the extention.
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    Here's my new bike hauler that I just got two weeks ago.

    The rear 3/4 pose.
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    The front 3/4 pose.
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    It's environmental.
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    That is the same car minus the PZE I just got last week. Just put the first tank of gas today. 310 miles with 15 gallons = 20.67mpg

    I wanted QSM, the wife wanted black, so I got the DGM, and went with the rear 5 windows tinted (20%) and sunroof to keep the sun off of my head.

    The roof rack scares me cause I know that I will forget. If I angle the front tire back I can slip the whole bike into the back. A hitch rack will be a $500 investment, maybe this winter when the bike is sloppy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celluloid hero
    Here's my new bike hauler that I just got two weeks ago.

    And, it's been Pushed.
    My Outback rear suspension is getting tired, now that I know Push can work on Subies...

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    I love Subarus. I hike, snowboard, and will hopefully be biking a lot soon (still looking for the right bike) so I'm driving a 96 Outback and I LOVE it. Probably going to swap the 2.5 engine for a 2.2 for better gas mileage and I found a place that sells rebuilt warrantied engines for about the same price it would cost me to rebuild mine. Could someone recommend a decent rack that will hold 2 bikes for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sno_rocker
    I love Subarus. I hike, snowboard, and will hopefully be biking a lot soon (still looking for the right bike) so I'm driving a 96 Outback and I LOVE it. Probably going to swap the 2.5 engine for a 2.2 for better gas mileage and I found a place that sells rebuilt warrantied engines for about the same price it would cost me to rebuild mine. Could someone recommend a decent rack that will hold 2 bikes for it?
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    Hey I'm a first time Subaru owner, previously my Husband was solely a Toyota Landcruiser Man, but we traded in our diesel 80 Series for something smaller & more economic considering petrol is now significantly cheaper than diesel here in Oz. He still has a Landcruiser Ute to keep him happy, and of course it's a good option for me to use for bike transport, hence I haven't brought a bike rack for the Subi already. I think it would be too high for my reach to use a roof type one, so I'm thinking something like the one that GripSport makes...
    Otherwise I suppose we'll look at getting a roo bar for the Subi (wouldn't want the kangaroos to smash it up) so hubby can drive it off to work at night (he has to drive 300k's to the airport & then fly out to his work site) and I'd keep the Ute at home . Only problem is the roo bars look real crap, like they don't belong on it, a nudge bar is probably the way to go, but really nothing more than a spotlight mount.

    Anyway our 2008 Subaru Forester XS (Aussie model).



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    And of course I had to try it out for fit, I'm no clean freak by any standard, but I don't like the fact that with this transport method it would get dirty pretty quick (yeah I hate cleaning cars). Anyway still good to know it fits, well without the kids anyway!



    It's our first brand new car. We did test drive the Impreza WRX which could be had for the same price. But my husband found it too cramped (steering wheel, and yes that was the limit of adjustment). Coming from a bit 4x4 wagon we figured the Forester was that bit more closer to what we're used to and more versatile, besides we'd never fit our dog in the back of the WRX comfortably once she's fully grown. Too me the WRX inside as a passenger felt like any other small car, the interior was nothing special and it just didn't have enough of the sporty car feel like it was meant to be, unlike the impressive outside, although the old models seemed more sporty.

    I can't help thinking how much of a pretend fourby the Subi is though, like a toy 4x4. I tried out the low range today (compacting our driveway where I fixed some ruts) and honestly it didn't feel much different to normal first gear. But for what it's meant for, driving on bitumen / gravel roads, it certainly is a much nicer drive than the 80, which we never really used to it's full extent in regards to real 4x4 driving anyway, just a lot of touring & long distance driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack'sDad
    That is the same car minus the PZE I just got last week. Just put the first tank of gas today. 310 miles with 15 gallons = 20.67mpg

    I wanted QSM, the wife wanted black, so I got the DGM, and went with the rear 5 windows tinted (20%) and sunroof to keep the sun off of my head.

    The roof rack scares me cause I know that I will forget. If I angle the front tire back I can slip the whole bike into the back. A hitch rack will be a $500 investment, maybe this winter when the bike is sloppy.

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    Funny, I considered a hitch rack but thought I would probably back into something with it. I was carrying my bike in the back of my SUV, and pretty much trashed the interior. I want to keep the new car's interior nice n' shiny. Plus, I have a child seat in back, so I can't really put down both seats to get my bike in there. The roof rack does make me a little more paranoid, but so far it's been easy and does a great job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Gerous
    My Outback rear suspension is getting tired, now that I know Push can work on Subies...

    Just imagine the shipping costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ducktape

    Anyway our 2008 Subaru Forester XS (Aussie model).

    Looks awesome, ducktape. I test drove a bunch of cars to replace my Saab 97x. The only car that I liked almost as equally as the Outback, was the new Forrester. Very comfortable, made well inside and out, and handled great, I thought.

    Enjoy your new ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducktape
    I tried out the low range today (compacting our driveway where I fixed some ruts) and honestly it didn't feel much different to normal first gear.
    Geez, the US car market sucks. Subie hasn't offered us a dual-range for twenty years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrack
    Geez, the US car market sucks. Subie hasn't offered us a dual-range for twenty years.
    The low & hi only comes on the manual models. But like I said didn't seem to be much difference. I guess the reduction gearing isn't really low enough, but it's a selling point I suppose as none of the competitors over here offer lo range (talking about Rav4, XTrail, CRV). Either way the car has awesome grip, it can certainly go around corners faster than our previous one! I'm too scared to even try & spin the wheels though because of all the tech gizmos it has working in the background (traction control etc).

    Ha ha, coming from driving a diesel for the past 7 or so years I had to get used to not stalling it first!

    I'll give bike racks a bit more thought. I suppose it will depend on weather we ultimately want a roof rack system anyway for traveling or weather we would travel with a trailer instead (like for the bigger camping trips). I guess with the right type of roof carrier it wouldn't be too hard to hold the bike up and secure it? We'd probably be looking at some sort of Rhino rack I suppose and they make a few bike carriers too.

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    Definitely NICE car Ducky, as well as your "as usuall" cool collection of bikes - in this case the STP. I know the rack you were thinking of and we had a past model similar thing mainly for the missus and she loved it rather then opening the passenger side door, stepping on the side rail and just trying to lean over the roof (good for me though in terms of visual presentation on her part, he he he) to get the bikes or something else off. Now this one just springs down giving very easy access.

    Your house/ areas looks great too...MAN I MISS Australia VERY much. J-Land does not offer the same CLEAN natural environment...here, our cement quota is triple that of America - if you can believe that, wow!

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    Actually after re-reading my post...it does come off very, erm...how to say...? um....

    Quote: Now this one just springs down giving very easy access. End Quote
    anyway.....Great car!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sim2u
    Definitely NICE car Ducky, as well as your "as usuall" cool collection of bikes - in this case the STP. I know the rack you were thinking of and we had a past model similar thing mainly for the missus and she loved it rather then opening the passenger side door, stepping on the side rail and just trying to lean over the roof (good for me though in terms of visual presentation on her part, he he he) to get the bikes or something else off. Now this one just springs down giving very easy access.

    Your house/ areas looks great too...MAN I MISS Australia VERY much. J-Land does not offer the same CLEAN natural environment...here, our cement quota is triple that of America - if you can believe that, wow!
    Yeah we have recently moved here to South West WA. And yes we're both extremely happy with the place we chose to "settle down". We're on 7ac about 15k's out of a small town but only 3hr drive to Perth (not that I have the desire to go there myself). It's so peaceful here, hence one reason we've downgraded (in size0 the 4x4 and selling our camper trailer. When you live in the bush you don't need to go camping to get away from anything. Only problem is that we don't have a house yet, well we're in a process of building but building is yet to start. So the shed you see is our humble (but very comfortable) abode for now. Lol I guess that means any trips we do go on we'll probably look forward to staying in a hotel with some creature comforts.

    Anyway semi back on topic, the comment about hitting stuff really got to me, I can see myself reversing into a tree or something with the bike on the back Also unless I got some sort with a quick removal system (grips quick hitch) I reckon it would be a pain taking it off and on all the time too. So at the moment I'm thinking of a roof mounted style, the STP is not that heavy as far as bikes go so should be fine, I checked it out today & it doesn't seem like it would be too hard, providing I'm not trying to shuttle or something!

    Probably go for Thule roof bars and one of their racks. Rhino don't seem to fit tires bigger than 5cm, I'm running 2.5's and I think they're around 6cm. I'll just have to convince Hubby to buy one of those roof luggage boxes if needed for travel instead of getting a trailer.
    Alternately if I change my mind and decide on the hitch mount, then I know Grip makes one very similar to the Thule T2 as well.

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    ha ha ha...yes, I like to watch her, he he he. But of course I help though..well...after the first 5 mins or so. J/K


    Ah my mistake...the version I was talking about was a roof mounted style that has the hanger/ hinged style that comes down. Im trying to find a link to it now, but Im also at work. He he he, sneaking a peak at MTBR in my provisional time frame inbetween screens here.

    When I find the link Ill post it up for you.

    Myself like you, I am none too keen on the rear mounting system regardless of design, Id much prefere a roof mounted system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducktape
    Yeah we have recently moved here to South West WA. And yes we're both extremely happy with the place we chose to "settle down". We're on 7ac about 15k's out of a small town but only 3hr drive to Perth
    Didn't think that looked like Townsville...

    You're lucky to be able to live so far from it all. The wife and I might return to Australia one day when the US dollar is doing well... Housing prices have gotten out of control in QLD.

    What are the trails like around your area?

    BTW Nice Forester!
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    Your right the T2 can be lowered to the down position and you can access the rear compartment...however if you have bikes loaded the access is blocked due to the bikes contacting the door as you open it...the approach angle issue is not an issue the hitch and subaru designed the system to handle more weight than a 29lb bike and a 75lb rack...

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    I've got a 2005 Legacy GT Wagon manual (5 sp). I can put 4 bikes on top (2 are smaller kids bikes) & camping gear for a weekend getaway. Though I too am feeling a need for a stiffer shocks/springs in the back. We have 60k miles and I typically don't drive it during the week. Lots of long weekend trips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    Didn't think that looked like Townsville...

    You're lucky to be able to live so far from it all. The wife and I might return to Australia one day when the US dollar is doing well... Housing prices have gotten out of control in QLD.

    What are the trails like around your area?

    BTW Nice Forester!
    Guess I haven't updated my profile

    Nannup is great, it's good to be somewhere with some real tracks! In Townsville we weren't there long enough really (just over a year) and the DH track was just about to be completed when we left. Here apparently it's one of Sam Hills most favorite places to ride, he built some of the tracks. So yeah there is an awesome DH trail (bit beyond my ability at the moment, so something to work on).
    This is not me in the photo below (they had the state round here a few months ago)

    And I haven't discovered many of the other tracks yet, I know there are some I just have to get out there and find them. There isn't a huge rider base so I guess they get overgrown, but the DH gets used most weekends, the guys from Margaret River tend to frequent it I think.

    Watching this made me get a full face!


    There is a long XC type one that goes to the local swimming spot and beyond, it's a good ride (Old Timberline Trail). The Munda Biddi seems pretty boring though, unless you're looking at the scenery.
    Further afield there would be some good ones around Margaret River, Dwellingup, Albany,even Perth I suppose all of which are no more than 3hrs drive. But for me I'll probably explore the local surrounds first.

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    It's been a great car, no problems. Upgraded the tires and +0, rear sway bar to 20mm. I have 80K miles. Hauls bikes or anything else I need to carry. It's a blast to drive. Fuel mileage is good enough, I didn't buy an economy car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducktape
    Guess I haven't updated my profile

    Nannup is great, it's good to be somewhere with some real tracks! In Townsville we weren't there long enough really (just over a year) and the DH track was just about to be completed when we left. Here apparently it's one of Sam Hills most favorite places to ride, he built some of the tracks. So yeah there is an awesome DH trail (bit beyond my ability at the moment, so something to work on).
    This is not me in the photo below (they had the state round here a few months ago)

    And I haven't discovered many of the other tracks yet, I know there are some I just have to get out there and find them. There isn't a huge rider base so I guess they get overgrown, but the DH gets used most weekends, the guys from Margaret River tend to frequent it I think.
    Thanks for the Photos DT, that sure does look like some awesome riding. Wish we had the overgrown trail problem here, but Denver has experienced a lot of growth in the last 7 years and the trails are getting a wee bit too popular and the traffic is getting silly.

    Back in the mid 90's when the wife and I would go riding back in Brisbane and Sydney, you would see maybe one or two other riders every few hours. Not to say one situation is better than, but seeing a bit of the Aussie bush has me missing the motherland

    With seven acres you could build some tailor made singletrack or at least some sweet jumps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aphleung
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    Dude, that's not a sleeper at all.

    In fact, the letters W, R, and X have a replusive effect on the letter S, L, E, R and P. Although the stock rims might fool some high-skool kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    Thanks for the Photos DT, that sure does look like some awesome riding. Wish we had the overgrown trail problem here, but Denver has experienced a lot of growth in the last 7 years and the trails are getting a wee bit too popular and the traffic is getting silly.

    Back in the mid 90's when the wife and I would go riding back in Brisbane and Sydney, you would see maybe one or two other riders every few hours. Not to say one situation is better than, but seeing a bit of the Aussie bush has me missing the motherland

    With seven acres you could build some tailor made singletrack or at least some sweet jumps.
    Hey I think you'll probably find that Brizzy has got a few more trails and people riding these days. Well it's the impression I got by hanging around the mtbdirt forum for a few years.

    I do plan to at least build some jumps. I'm still very gutless when it comes to jumping though so I'll have to start very small - at least now I can't use the bike as an excuse.
    There is a bit of bush behind us as well, so a long term goal is probably to build some tracks through there, and then hope it's not going to get logged or something.

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    plenty of room for the bikes and gear on trips, good on the gas, and drives very nicely in the snow (w/ snow-rated tires)
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    Oh yeah, and just got this a few months ago. 1999 Impreza RS 2.5 5 speed. Love this car!


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    dont have a subaru, but im on almost all of the subaru forums.....im a mitsubishi guy but love subarus as well..

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    thread hijack;

    Quote Originally Posted by 06OutlanderAWD
    dont have a subaru, but im on almost all of the subaru forums.....im a mitsubishi guy but love subarus as well..
    what kinda mitsu guy? I'm a gluton for punnishment so I have had 4 different turbo awd mitsu's. Including this one which has ruined my life by turning me into a "car guy" about 9 years ago. I still have it and probably always will.

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    my family has had 4 or more subs!! some outback and now a forestor. never an issue and gets great mpg

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    all mitsu guy, haha...

    i have had about 11 now, mostly DSM's but also a Endeavor and a few talons but currently a Evo 8, 08 Eclipse, and a 06 Outlander

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    known issue w/ silent warranty extension

    They recalled the cars to add a substance that was supposed to help, and increased the head gasket warranty out to 100000 miles without publicizing it. They fail anywhere between 50k and 150k, and its just about $2k to fix it well. Mine let go at 130k, and is currently sitting in my driveway.

    I'm pretty dissappointed, as I've had several other brands out to 200k without this issue. It's the primary reason I didn't buy another.



    Quote Originally Posted by go-pirates
    Thanks for the heads-up, SJ. I took your advice and emailed Subaru about the other gasket. I'm anxious to see their response.
    I'll be along... eventually.

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    I dont have any pics, later, but I have a 2003 Impreza Outback Sport. I love this car so much. Who doesn't love plowing through a foot of fresh snow watching it go over your windshield like a wave. Best thing ever.

    Friend has a 1992 Legacy Wagon and that thing is a tank. We have taken that car places no car should go. Nothing like following a jacked up Bronco up a jeep trail the whole way then seeing there faces when you pull up next to them. Oh and his car is stock.

    I love my car and will drive it into the ground, we'll see if it ever gets there though.

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    I have a 1999 Legacy Wagon 30th Anniversary L 2.2 with 136k miles. I have packed so much junk in this car, it is great for moving, etc. Seats fold flat, and I can sleep in the back. (I am not a big guy)

    Bike goes in the trunk for now, I am looking for cheap Subaru (Yakima) roof racks for bikes.

    I love this car because I can work on it. So dang easy to do everything except wheel bearings. Even though I have a 'low' Subaru, I can change my oil in a parking lot if I have to.

    Timing belt, water pump, starter, hoses, front wheel bearings, struts, and brakes I have done on my own.

    If you have a Legacy, check out sl-i.net if you are not feeling the love on NASIOC or scoobymods.......

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    Ooooops, sorry guys I'll have to abandon you. We had the Subi (Forester) for about 5 months but traded her in for a more bike friendly car......

    From this...



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    Just ran into this thread. Our 98 Outback is our preferred tandem transport. The Subaru used to have a 2.5 which blew up, so I had it replaced with a rebuilt 2.2.
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    I'll try again with a pic!

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    I'm going to have to bow out with ducktape. I just sold my 04 Forester XT

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    I listed it for sale and it was gone in less than a week. Fastest I have ever sold a car. I'm planning to stick with the wagons for the next car, but I think it will have a V8

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    Hi all,

    I've got a classic shape 4 door STI as my weekend car (man, I love weekends!) and what to use it as my bike transport (might as well enjoy the drive there and back aswell). Whilst I know you can get roof racks for the bike is there any boot mount, bearing in mind mine has the high spoiler or towing mounts also bearing in mind the factory body kit that I can use to put my DH rig on?
    I know I can use the roof system but would prefere to mount my bike to the rear.

    Any help, advice appreciated.

    Has anyone kept track of the type of bike to the type of cars on this, make intresting stats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil153
    Hi all,

    I've got a classic shape 4 door STI as my weekend car (man, I love weekends!) and what to use it as my bike transport (might as well enjoy the drive there and back aswell). Whilst I know you can get roof racks for the bike is there any boot mount, bearing in mind mine has the high spoiler or towing mounts also bearing in mind the factory body kit that I can use to put my DH rig on?
    I know I can use the roof system but would prefere to mount my bike to the rear.

    Any help, advice appreciated.

    Has anyone kept track of the type of bike to the type of cars on this, make intresting stats!

    Best Regards

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    Hi Neil,

    The problem with a trunk rack on the '04-'07 STI's is that the spoiler has the lower element on the trunk, so any straps would rub all over that. The Saris Bones RS would be great if the spoiler didn't have the bottom section.

    There are hitches that fit those STI's, so some guys go that route. There is also a method of modifying a set of Yakima clips to fit into the anchor points on the roof so that you don't have to use the clips over the roof rails. That's what I did and I thought that it worked well. The instructions for that option are here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=882744

    Have fun with the STI,

    --Josh

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    Thanks Josh

    Much appreciated, may be able to get it on the back end yet!

    Regards

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    I don't know how I missed this thread.

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    The original owner picked it up in summer 2001 and drove the hell out of it before giving it back to the dealer. I got it in fall 2003 and have similarly been driving the hell out of it.

    I have to say that the WRX is rough around the edges. It's not quiet, the ride is "firm", and the only luxury item is the heated front seats. That said, I am a huge fan. Two bikes get tossed in the back routinely. If we're going on a road trip and have too much gear, they'll go on the roof rack.

    [Of course I have some] Mods:
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    I'm ashamed/proud to say that none of the items I've put on the car were actually necessary because something wore out or broke. If I had made no changes whatsoever, I'm sure the car would be running fine. That said, it's waaaay more fun now.

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    I picked up a 2009 Legacy Sedan in September. Currently my Yakima rack has beaten me up and I still don't have it on the roof yet....one goal for this week!

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    My wife drives a 2008 Outback XT - fun car with decent power for the family hauler.

    I have a 2006 MINI S (full John Cooper Works) which I'll be snagging a single fork-mount for and using a hurricane 15mm fork-up adapter. Will get a 2-3 bike upright trailer hitch mount for the wife's car in the next few weeks.

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    just picked this up the other weekend,
    allread put on, catback, cobb ap, everything kartboy has

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    Drive a Subaru

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    pic and question

    here is the first pic I took of my 04 Outback Sport! I no longer have a roof rack-hitch rack saves me a considerable amount of gas when I'm traveling. Still going strong with 83k. The only issue so far is I need to get a new clutch-dang, they are expensive-$1150 or so! OUCH.

    My question is about the rear suspension. It feels really rough over small bumps, especially studder bumps. It doesn't seem so noticable when I have a packed car. Has anyone else had this issue? If I remember right, I had the same issue with my Legacy Outback prior to the Sport.

    Thanks and great to see all the Subies on here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by paranoid56
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    Nice!! I like the new Impreza but do miss the factory rails. Probably will not buy another for that reason when my '02 WRX wagon has to go, which I hope is not for a long long time. But maybe by then they will be back in style!

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    very badd aaazzzz

    Quote Originally Posted by paranoid56
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    more pics?

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    That is the WRX STI Imprezza, which for all intensive purposes is everything much and more than the standard imprezza, no comparisons other than chasis shape.

    Took one for a couple of test drives and I loved it, interior is SO much better than previous models and becoming better. But again, I wish they had stuck with the proto-model though because the front was SOOOOOooooo much more interesting.

    Currently, it looks too much like the Mazda Axela in both exterior and interior - named here in Japan; both front and rear are VERY similar to the Impreza, which relegates the STI as less individual although no less excellent.

    Concept - Excellent from the sides and front as well as the interior, although the rear is just not working:


    The current version:


    And the Mazda Axela:


    Even the Toyota Caldina looks similar to both. Wish the retentive Suby executives would get off their collective narrow minds and use a little foresight or they may end up as GM...building cars nobody wants (if I can say that in lamens terms).
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    Tribeca

    Our lease on the 2006 was up. There was a 2008 fully loaded and we snagged it. I put a hitch on it with a 4x bike, swingaway rack. I got the cross-bars for the top and put on a Space Cadet. We just drove 1000 miles from Berkeley through a blizzard in the Cascades and snow and ice all the way up to Victoria. What a great machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog
    Nice!! I like the new Impreza but do miss the factory rails. Probably will not buy another for that reason when my '02 WRX wagon has to go, which I hope is not for a long long time. But maybe by then they will be back in style!
    yea, i sort of miss them, but i have always liked the look ofthe wagon with no rails. the factory rails bolt in place in a few min and are super sturdy.

    will have more pics soon, putting on new rims tomorrow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sim2u
    That is the WRX STI Imprezza, which for all intensive purposes is everything much and more than the standard imprezza, no comparisons other than chasis shape.

    Took one for a couple of test drives and I loved it, interior is SO much better than previous models and becoming better. But again, I wish they had stuck with the proto-model though because the front was SOOOOOooooo much more interesting.
    Huh? That top thing was someone's concept, but not subarus. It's not real, just a computer image. Thank god, cause it's ugly as sin.

    Anyway, while the STI is still an STI, the 2009 WRX finally has some "teeth", and it will do 0-60 faster than the STI due to not having to shift. They quickened the steering, stiffened the suspension, and finally gave it some power. Since the car came out it has never seen a power increase, so it's finally nice to see them doing something to make it more competative with all the mazda speed 3s and other similer pocket-rockets. The 2009 WRX is putting down some fine dynos, and given the fact that its lighter than the STI, it's easy to see why the WRX is finally doing better. The STI will still own it at the upper speed ranges where it will simply "pull" for longer, but the 2009 WRX solves the issue of the 2008 WRX, which was a new chassi, but softer suspension and no increase in power.

    You can upgrade a WRX to outperform an STI (assuming the STI is stock or only slightly modified), while you say there are "no comparissions", the STI is basically just a bunch of bolt-on stuff, lots of differences, but in the big picture you can bolt on the brakes, wheels, swaybars, shocks, springs, etc. I don't want to get into engine mods, but the STI obviously has a more capable engine with the forged parts and the turbo that comes with it. You can still upgrade the WRX to outperform it though. (And yes, you can upgrade the STI to vastly outperform a stock STI).

    The negative of all this is the $$$ that it costs to upgrade an WRX, and the extra $$$ that it takes to do it properly so you don't blow out stuff. The positive is that a midly upgraded WRX retains pretty good milege (and it's lighter), while the STI is pretty poor in this regard.

    All that said, I have been considering the STI as my next car, and I'll probably continue to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffwlwhite
    Who here does'nt[sic} Drive a Subaru
    I don't. I've driven with plenty of them. They are fun cars, albeit a bit unreliable when heavily modded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paranoid56
    just picked this up the other weekend,
    allread put on, catback, cobb ap, everything kartboy has
    Get a downpipe on that baby! Huge difference. I did turbo-back in two parts, cat-back and the DP. The DP was a far greater improvement. It was a b*tch to install relative to the cat-back, but worth it. The cobb DPs are solid. Anyhow, looking nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Get a downpipe on that baby! Huge difference. I did turbo-back in two parts, cat-back and the DP. The DP was a far greater improvement. It was a b*tch to install relative to the cat-back, but worth it. The cobb DPs are solid. Anyhow, looking nice.
    its on the list, this is my third impreza so i know a bit about them. and since i picked this one up for 28 brand new befor taxes and 0% for 5 years i feel its a much better value then the 09 wrx. not to mention the biggest thing. huge fender flairs i can run a much wider tire then the wrx.

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    Sold my almost 500k mile outback to someone who is using it as their DD a few months ago and got a used 08 forester x with 24k on it, should last till 2018.

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    pic with the new wheel setup

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    Quote Originally Posted by paranoid56
    yea, i sort of miss them, but i have always liked the look ofthe wagon with no rails. the factory rails bolt in place in a few min and are super sturdy.

    will have more pics soon, putting on new rims tomorrow.
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    Haha. I thought you were going to change out those god awful wheels and you get another design in the same hideous color. Why?

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    I have a 2006 fozzie and the road noise in deafening. Maybe its the continental tires but the sound proofing in this car is a joke. I just put $200 worth of fat mat in the doors and it didnt help.
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    Here is my brother's Impreza RS. Looking to get a hitch and rack for it.
    Pretty good pep.

    Side note - Installing the cobb DP on my friends WRX wasnt too bad, although we did use a lift, having a nice 36 inch extension with a u-joint helps big time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thebronze
    I have a 2006 fozzie and the road noise in deafening.
    Usually it is resonance caused by the fact that it's a wagon, I'd suggest putting the sound-deadening material in the bottom of the cargo area, attached to the metal. Even though it may not seem logical (not the source of the sound), if you can kill the resonance you can kill a lot of noise. If you really like the car, you can take out the seats and interior, put that stuff in the bottom all over the place, then put everything back in. That stuff is expensive though and it would be a PITA to do the entire car. Maybe just take it out of the doors and try the cargo area?
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    2003 outback and a 2007 outback in the house here.

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    Happy with my 08' Tribeca

    Its proven to be as cycling worthy as the 4runner it replaced. Had it @ boggs and cool last year and it did well as a support-camper. Done some long trips and gotta say its been great. Recently plugged the resonator (vase shaped bulb under the airbox) and installed a kn filter. No real HP gain but noticeable improvement in throttle response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Usually it is resonance caused by the fact that it's a wagon, I'd suggest putting the sound-deadening material in the bottom of the cargo area, attached to the metal. Even though it may not seem logical (not the source of the sound), if you can kill the resonance you can kill a lot of noise. If you really like the car, you can take out the seats and interior, put that stuff in the bottom all over the place, then put everything back in. That stuff is expensive though and it would be a PITA to do the entire car. Maybe just take it out of the doors and try the cargo area?
    I started in the cargo area under the spare. It was bare metal!!! I put a bunch of mat there and then carpet padding. It might have helped some but its hard to tell. Right now i'm dealing with a door seal that is whistling on the freeway. Oh well, at least it runs great and is pretty comfy on road trips. I put premium in it yesterday and it seems to like that a lot better, mine is n/a.

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    I just picked up a 2008 Gary Fisher Piranha yesterday after being bike-less since last summer after leaving my old 2002 Trek 4500 back in Poland for good.

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    02 wrx wagon

    I love this car, even moreso in winter...

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    This thread is so cool!

    I have really enjoyed all of my Subies:

    91 Loyale > 2000 OBS > 2005 RS Wgn (Just Sold) > ??? Outback XT or Tribeca

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