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    smart fortwo

    I'm going to purchase one, but a friend of mine asked me how I'm going to transport the bike with it. I hadn't given much thought to that.

    Think it's even possible?

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    a trunk rack is the only way I can see, no way in hell a bike is fitting inside and the roofline probably isn't long enough for a rack. The back of those things - you couldn't even fit a largish suitcase in there. They are really meant for transporting 1 person and a briefcase and not much else. I know there is a passenger seat but riding with 2 adults in the car is uncomfortable.. the passenger seat is set back to make sure there is enough shoulder room, by ensuring that you aren't sitting side by side!

    My company converted a few of the euro models to electric power a few years ago, interesting machines. I'd consider it if I where getting a strictly commuter car, but I can't see it being your only car.

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    ummmm...starts @ $13,590? couple more thou and you can get a rabbit or jetta - both w/ great mpg #s.


    someone has to be making load bars for that thing, no? roof rack possibly, or trunk rack as aforementioned.
    ride fast...take chances...

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    Roof racks do exist for them

    I saw a Smart Car at Shawnee Mountain, PA on Saturday and it had a roof mounted ski rack with what looked like standard mounting bars and feet. I can't tell you the brand of rack but there certainly did not look like anything odd in the setup.

    Good luck if you buy one. I saw lots in Europe this summer and they are not that uncommon in Montreal. We went for the much larger Mini Cooper with 42 mpg (for us at least) highway. No trouble putting a Thule rack on the roof of that.

    Wow, I never thought I would refer to our Mini as "much larger." Damn, maybe the world is getting smarter.
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    https://www.smartcarofamerica.com/fo...hread.php?t=18

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    I when for a job (Industrial design) interview with them a few years back and I can tell you that I know for a fact is a whole line of accessories for the Smart cars available (At least in Europe)

    Let me write to some friends I have that work for Smart and see if they can send me links, or even possible reviews of the best options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules
    a trunk rack is the only way I can see, no way in hell a bike is fitting inside and the roofline probably isn't long enough for a rack. The back of those things - you couldn't even fit a largish suitcase in there. They are really meant for transporting 1 person and a briefcase and not much else. I know there is a passenger seat but riding with 2 adults in the car is uncomfortable.. the passenger seat is set back to make sure there is enough shoulder room, by ensuring that you aren't sitting side by side!
    Have you ever being Inside one of them...!?!?

    I'm 6'2 220 pounds with pretty wide shoulders and I travel a few miles on them, Ones from Paris to Munich none stop as a passenger (I don't drive cars) my friend Mike the driver is about 6'4" and a old irish rugby player and I was more comfortable in terms of space that I have being in many other cars.




    yes I was scare Sh#tless of being in such a small little vehicle in the german autobans, but maybe is do to my "Bigger is better" infuse ideas after living in the USA for a few years



    For sure we did not pass any M5 doing 300 kilo per hour but the power plant is a wonder of engeniering and power delivery (Base on motorcycle engine technology with really short stroke high RPM platform)




    My company converted a few of the euro models to electric power a few years ago, interesting machines. I'd consider it if I where getting a strictly commuter car, but I can't see it being your only car.
    Remender the old swatch watches...!?!?!

    Well Smart was a effort in between Swatch and Mercedes Benz to provide that same "funk" the Swatch deliver into the world of automotive design.


    in short is a million companies making all kind of things for them, including high performance engine, also electric power plants and even silly body panels.

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    damn double post

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    Have you ever being Inside one of them...!?!?

    guess you either didn't read my post of reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I've spent several hundred hours driving/testing them. I could not sit in one with the seat back at a comfortable angle without my head touching the ceiling. The passenger seat is rear of the driver seat to make shoulder room. 2 6' tall people can not sit in one without shoulders touching. I call that uncomfortable.

    we did the first sled-tests for the US market - US safety regs are much stricter than anywhere in the EU. They held together surprisingly well, but the fact is in a collision mass is your friend. That's pretty much where "bigger is better" comes from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules
    guess you either didn't read my post of reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
    well that is for sure, I suck with Words but i'm pretty good with drawings, ideas and keeping a open mind

    Then again I also build Airplanes that i never got to fly, same can be your case if you are some kind of accountant/paper pusher.

    "My company converted a few of the euro models to electric power a few years ago"

    In your first comments I did not see anything about driving the vehicle at all.

    I've spent several hundred hours driving/testing them. I could not sit in one with the seat back at a comfortable angle without my head touching the ceiling. The passenger seat is rear of the driver seat to make shoulder room. 2 6' tall people can not sit in one without shoulders touching. I call that uncomfortable.
    Maybe your car was different that the one Pete give us.


    this is the best pictures I have from Mike (he does not like to have pictures taking of him)

    Mike is on the black jacket, as you can see he is far from little.


    we did the first sled-tests for the US market - US safety regs are much stricter than anywhere in the EU.
    Oh Really..............

    They held together surprisingly well, but the fact is in a collision mass is your friend. That's pretty much where "bigger is better" comes from.
    Well that is why they want me to work with them (did not work out at the end do to Chrysler B.S.) because I understand the "Stupid size syndrome" of the American cars, but also manage to understand the advantage of "Micro transportation pods"

    We agree (the people at smart, me and many other contractors that did market, socialogical/antropological studies) that this country is not ready for such a vehicle (reason why you can buy them in mejico since a few years ago but not in the US) (maybe now you can, I'm off the loop) do to sociological patterns and just the fact that most 150pound persons are driving cars that can carry ten times their body mass.

    In fact I live in san Francisco were is a huge presence of Smart cars (the most amount percapita in the US) and I'm scare sh^tless every time I see one on the bay bridge riding next to a Ford Exploters or some stupid big truck like that..

    Is a question of "Human scale" and for sure this country of SUV's is not ready for them in terms of safety or even more important the perception of safety.


    a trunk rack is the only way I can see, no way in hell a bike is fitting inside and the roofline probably isn't long enough for a rack.
    Okay is confirm you most be working with papers..

    If I can do this with my Motorcycle.


    I can not imagine how much stuff I can carry in one of those little tiny cars. (that still five times bigger and wider than my motorbike

    Remenber, "Just because you can not see it, does not warranty the solution is not there"


    The back of those things - you couldn't even fit a largish suitcase in there.
    Yeap, Small they are, so you just carry less crap and Presto..

    They are design as City vehicles "Laptop, gym bag, croseries" but they can be implemented to carry a few more things if necessary and for sure cover farder distances if require.

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    Since this thread is going slightly astray already... I liked those cars up until I read how much they cost 13-15k That seems steep to me. I would get a Yaris or a Fit instead. Or of course just keep the TDI we already have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelerfreak
    Since this thread is going slightly astray already... I liked those cars up until I read how much they cost 13-15k That seems steep to me. I would get a Yaris or a Fit instead. Or of course just keep the TDI we already have.
    Most of the ones sold around san francisco when for about $25000 with much dealer support

    Here value = size ===> ergo a Little car will have a small perception of Value added features, making it even more difficult to sell..

    You need to think of them as "Smaller is better" in the same sense people view cell phones, camaras, laptops, etc. since they manage to acomplish the same task with a minimal amount of space and resources wasted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    Most of the ones sold around san francisco when for about $25000 with much dealer support

    Here value = size ===> ergo a Little car will have a small perception of Value added features, making it even more difficult to sell..

    You need to think of them as "Smaller is better" in the same sense people view cell phones, camaras, laptops, etc. since they manage to acomplish the same task with a minimal amount of space and resources wasted.
    I look at the value of a vehicle in more terms than just the size. A Fit is around 12-15k, gets good mileage, and can seat 4 people for short hauls, plus a little gear. The Smarts are 2 passenger vehicles that get good mileage, but at the cost of being of limited use. My wife and I can ride in one and maybe a few bags of groceries, and that's it. And if they indeed go for 25k, that is way more than I would ever pay for a limited use commuter vehicle. The commuter aspect of the car is not as important to me anyway since I ride my bike to work, it's the ability to use the car on the weekends to do errands, go mtn biking, etc. Smart makes some other cars that would IMHO be more attractive. I like/need the ability to carry more than 2 people, and from what I've seen smart has 4 seater cars. Why not sell them here. I guess I'm somewhat spoiled by having a car that can carry 4 or 5 in a pinch, has good truck space, can carry 4 bikes on the rack, has great torque, and gets 50mpg on the hwy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto


    this is the best pictures I have from Mike (he does not like to have pictures taking of him)
    ok, serious question: do you honestly think you can tell anything about that guy's size from that picture? if so.. that's oddly interesting.
    I'm having trouble understanding how you think a 150cm wide car has more than 150cm of shoulder room, but then again you claim to have ridden in one going 300km/hr when according to the manufacturer it's only capable of going 153kph.




    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    Okay is confirm you most be working with papers..

    If I can do this with my Motorcycle.


    I can not imagine how much stuff I can carry in one of those little tiny cars. (that still five times bigger and wider than my motorbike
    No, I'm an engineer. For a roof rack for the smart, I can't imagine an easily removable, safe and legal way to carry bicycles on there. From the looks of it, your motorcycle rack meets none of those requirements.



    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    They are design as City vehicles "Laptop, gym bag, croseries" but they can be implemented to carry a few more things if necessary and for sure cover farder distances if require.
    and as someone else pointed out, for the same money you can get a fit which gets about the same mileage, is safer, can carry 4 people in a pinch and is MUCH more reliable.

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    I have to agree with the posters that say the car simply isn't worth the asking price when better alternatives are available for just a tiny bit more. I drive a small car but the Smart is just tiny!! No utility at all.

    Now if it had performance was like a bat out of hell ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toff
    ...the Smart is just tiny!! No utility at all.
    Utility is in the eye of the owner.

    My wife would find utility in the ability to park it in any of the dozen spots she has to pass up before finding one her car fits into.

    For somebody living in any of SF's crowded neighborhoods, where garage parking is non-existant and on-street parking is always at a premium, that utility would be greatly multiplied.
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    There' s a factory rack for the Smart which attaches directly to the rear above the bumper. You can carry up to two bikes on it and there's additional adaptors for skiis.

    The Smart's been available up here in Canada for a couple of years now. I had the chance to take one (a cabrio) on a 4 day test drive last summer and had a blast with it. For something with only 39 hp ( we only got the TDI versions here) it was an ideal city car and held more than I expected. It easily kept up in city traffic and held its own with the highway traffic in and around Toronto which is routinely faster than the posted speed limits. Got it maxed out at 135 km/h and it felt very stable and planted.

    The biggest issue I have with the Smart is the price. The one I drove was close to $27K out the door. On top of that, MB Canada was quoting a residual of 50% on a 2 year lease! That pretty much killed the deal for me.

    I ended up getting a Honda Beat for my small car thrills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules
    a trunk rack is the only way I can see, no way in hell a bike is fitting inside and the roofline probably isn't long enough for a rack. The back of those things - you couldn't even fit a largish suitcase in there. They are really meant for transporting 1 person and a briefcase and not much else. I know there is a passenger seat but riding with 2 adults in the car is uncomfortable.. the passenger seat is set back to make sure there is enough shoulder room, by ensuring that you aren't sitting side by side!

    My company converted a few of the euro models to electric power a few years ago, interesting machines. I'd consider it if I where getting a strictly commuter car, but I can't see it being your only car.
    It seems you're familiar with the Euro version - but the new US version, which I have driven has an enormous amount of room in it for two people.

    I'm 6'5", 280lbs, 36" inseam, and had to move the seat forward an inch. I rode with another large person and it was completely fine.

    People seem to confuse the length and height of cars. Length doesn't equal headroom, height does. The cars are very tall, much taller than MINIs, which I also fit in.

    I have a deposit on the smart as well, but am cancelling it due to the sluggish transmission from when I drove it, and the difficulty of transporting bikes. To my knowledge, the new smart will not accept a roof rack, and I don't like the rear-mounted racks.

    If they fix those two things, I'll buy one.

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    My mechanic carries tuning boxes for the diesel smarts......they haul some real ass with the box turned up. I also believe that with the box on full, they still get better mileage than a diesel golf/jetta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetta_mike
    My mechanic carries tuning boxes for the diesel smarts......they haul some real ass with the box turned up. I also believe that with the box on full, they still get better mileage than a diesel golf/jetta.
    Is that really a fair comparison?? Either of the VW's will haul 4 people plus a regular roof rack for the bikes, plus a hatch or trunk. A better comparison would be the Polo, and then the mileage is nearly equal. That's like saying a Mini gets better mileage than a Camry, and thinking its a fair comparison. Besides the diesel Smart is not available in the US.

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    Let me know when you buy that Polo here in NA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetta_mike
    Let me know when you buy that Polo here in NA.
    About the same time you can buy a CDI fortwo in the US. And I have seen Polo's in Mexico, last I checked that is NA. It's a pointless comparison between a TDI VW Golf/Jetta and a CDI Fortwo. They'e different classes of vehicles.
    I just gotta drop out of this thread, it's just a pissing match at this point and way off topic. Those that like the For two will buy it and those that don't won't.

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    I would consider one...

    Quote Originally Posted by wheelerfreak
    About the same time you can buy a CDI fortwo in the US. And I have seen Polo's in Mexico, last I checked that is NA. It's a pointless comparison between a TDI VW Golf/Jetta and a CDI Fortwo. They'e different classes of vehicles.
    I just gotta drop out of this thread, it's just a pissing match at this point and way off topic. Those that like the For two will buy it and those that don't won't.
    .... if the price were in the $13k range and it got 60 MPG. For that price, my bike could probably fit in the passenger seat with both wheels off.

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