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    I was at a nearby Ford dealership trying to order a car for the gf. I had to leave early because of another appointment. So I asked if the salesman could match my price quote i got from another dealership. He agreed and gave me a purchase agreement with the final price. I didn't have time took at it so I took it and headed out.

    The next day I looked over the purchase agreement. I noticed it wasn't the color the gf wanted. So I looked closer and it was even for the car I wanted to order. It was the not Limited version I asked for but the one in his lot. He even had his manager sign it. I emailed him back. He replied just sign it and so he can pump an order for the car I wanted to order. He added this is how our system operates. What a sleeze bag?

    The salesman must have been a mortgage broker before the crisis.

    This is the first time I have dealt with a Ford dealership. Is it usually this bad for at domestic dealerships?

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    My business partner and I both agreed to buy the same SUV (Volvo XC90) back in 2004. So we made a list of the options for the two vehicles and then sent it to every Volvo dealer within 500 miles with the conditions that we would buy two vehicles in an all or nothing deal by the end of the calendar year (it was early December) so we wanted a good deal. When all the responses came back in via fax, we took the top three and sent them back out again another RFQ with saying what the top offer was and the lowest offer and that we are looking for a best and final offer. Back they came even lower with all kinds of stuff thrown in. Then we went to the local guy with the quotes from the other dealers and gave them the last right of refusal. Got an even better deal. Worked great and never had to go into the dealership. Gets past the sleezy guys in a hurry.

    What that did was hit the opportunity to get their quotas up for the year, to do two at once and made them compete against their competition. Volvo keeps the number of dealers low so that they don't sell against each other, and this got around that too.

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    I was going to buy a new 2000 Jetta back in the day. I went to the deler, hammered it out for a while, came up with a price. "If I can do this price on this car, will you sign right now?" Uh, sure. Yeah, Good price, car and options I want.. or close enough....

    He comes back with the paperwork, and the price was jacked up another $300. What's this? 'Our advertisement fee'. Uh, that should be out of your end. Why should I pay for advertising when I walked in knowing what I wanted? Back and forth ensues... he won't take it off. 'Oh, and I don't have the car in stock. I'll have to order it'. Uh, what did I just look at? Oh, that is sold to another customer.

    Walk!!

    And then I thought about it, and buying a new car was actually kinda stupid. We actually figured out that we had enough for a DP on a house, so we bagged the new car idea and got a used car... and a House!

    Heh... my mom bought a Jetta Wagon from Prestige in Santa Rosa. It was a total lay down sale. I helped her out with it, we knew what we wanted and what price to pay. Sales girl tried to sell us a Passat saying it was a Jetta... she didn't know the difference.

    My mom brought it back in for a service at 18k miles or so, and they told her that her tires were almost worn out and she would need 'special for VW' tires that would run $750 for a set. My mom is actually pretty sharp about cars for a 70 year old lady. Smelling the BS a mile away, she said she was really disappointed in the quality of VW tires and was threatening to picket their dealership to complain about the quality of 'VW special' tires.

    Naturally, there was 70% of the tread left at the time. She actually got 40k miles out of the tires before replacing them at a Goodyear shop for $450 with medium grade tires. I mean, they were just 15" 195/65 regular all season tires, not like sporty Pirelli PZeros or anything, and she's not railing turns.

    That dealer was pretty slimy, but the car has been flawless. She's only fed it gas, oil changes and tires for the last 80k miles. I think its about due for a timing belt job, but she has had zero issues with it.

    I don't think your experience is isolated to any particular brand dealership. I think the whole car business is pretty corrupt. I mean, I've had some friends who worked at car dealers tell me some pretty crazy stories.

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    My favorite of all time - I bought a ford escort back in the day for a second car for commuting. I had shopped it around, knew the prices etc... I went into a ford dealership and the sales manager told me he wanted the best price I had and he would beat it. So, I gave it to him. He went 300 below it which would have been $200 below his cost. I ordered the car. When it arrived, it looked ok, but when I drove it off I saw that they had substituted options for cheaper ones. When you did the math, I saw that that brought them to break even.

    They were total butt heads and wouldnt come clean on it.

    I'd paid cash for the car with a check. So, I parked in my garage on private property locked away and stopped payment on the check. I figured I'd hear from them in short order since I now had the money, the car, and the title (in other words, all the chips). Got a call and we got it all worked out to my satisfaction.

    When I was driving the car off the lot after they had added some dealer options I negotiated out of them, I looked in the rear view mirror and saw this sales manager giving me the finger. I stopped the car, looked at him for a bit and then gave him the finger back and then called the CEO of the dealership on my cell phone while looking at him. This is the guy who I had negotiated with. He came flying out the door, pulled the guy inside all the while chewing him out. I think he was afraid I was going to stop payment again...

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    You can run into a sleezy salesman at any brand of vehicle. Sleezy people arn't specific to one brand.

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    This is better than Craigslist.

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    That's awesome you got him chewed out.

    Maybe I should be doing a check instead of a cash wire.

    If I can only collect enough dealership stories to publish a coffee table book.

    I was trying to say all Ford dealerships are sleezy just have not have the same experience

    with BMW, Mercedes Benz, & Toyota dealers-maybe I was just lucky enough not to have run into a switch & bait until now.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
    My favorite of all time - I bought a ford escort back in the day for a second car for commuting. I had shopped it around, knew the prices etc... I went into a ford dealership and the sales manager told me he wanted the best price I had and he would beat it. So, I gave it to him. He went 300 below it which would have been $200 below his cost. I ordered the car. When it arrived, it looked ok, but when I drove it off I saw that they had substituted options for cheaper ones. When you did the math, I saw that that brought them to break even.

    They were total butt heads and wouldnt come clean on it.

    I'd paid cash for the car with a check. So, I parked in my garage on private property locked away and stopped payment on the check. I figured I'd hear from them in short order since I now had the money, the car, and the title (in other words, all the chips). Got a call and we got it all worked out to my satisfaction.

    When I was driving the car off the lot after they had added some dealer options I negotiated out of them, I looked in the rear view mirror and saw this sales manager giving me the finger. I stopped the car, looked at him for a bit and then gave him the finger back and then called the CEO of the dealership on my cell phone while looking at him. This is the guy who I had negotiated with. He came flying out the door, pulled the guy inside all the while chewing him out. I think he was afraid I was going to stop payment again...

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    I've been buying cars a long time. Sleezy behavior knows no brand bounds. I have a BMW and there are two dealers locally. One is great, takes time with you, makes it right. The other is heavily sales quota driven and they are trying to close the sale after you've been talking to them for 5 minutes. They'd sell you any car you'd buy whether you needed it or not or whether it met your needs or not. I also have friends of the family that own a Ford dealership in a small town near a metro area. They are known for being fair and for being a contributing member of their community.

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    Coming from someone whos worked at nearly every posisition in a car dealership, and has worked in the automotive industry for the last 10 years or so. None of this suprises me. Im not going to stick up for a sleezeball salesperson because their are plenty of them out there. But sometimes its not the salespersons fault. I have sold plenty of cars to customers who would NEVER buy again from that dealership if they were being held at gunpoint, but have called me on my personal cell number and said if I went to another dealer to let them know and I would have their business. Plenty of times I have done my best to give the customer the best deal I can only to be derailed by the sales manager/finance department.

    Case in point:

    Working in new car sales for Chevrolet. My customer came in and said "id like to buy a truck." After we conversed and nailed it down to a 2010 Chevrolet Avalanche LTZ 4x4 in black we test drove it, he loved it. (He knew what he wanted when he walked in, he was obviously testing me to see if Id try to sell him what he wanted or what I wanted him to buy.) He told me his conditions, Trade in his tacoma for no less than $5500, pay no more than $550 a month, and 0% for 60 months. With 750+ credit score, this wasnt hard. I got him nailed out to $463 a month, $6000 trade in and his 0%. Happy as a clam, he went into finance..........an hour later he came out with a $5000 trade $549.50 a month, and 1.9%. Now while he could have walked at any time, I was upset because now my customer felt everything I told him was a lie. When in reality my finance department edited the deal to make them more money.....that they cut out of my commision.
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    Oh, I forgot....

    When I was shopping for that Jetta back then, I went to another dealership. This was after the other stealership said they didn't have the car. The made me make an app't with a sales person. The night before, I browsed around their lot and saw they didn't have the car. I called the sales person the next day to say I would not be able to make the appointment (for various reasons), and they did not have the car on the lot anyway. The sales person got really angry with me and started yelling at me over the phone. He said I was an ass, and breaking the appointment was a 'slap in the face' to him. I mean, he was super pissed at me for calling to break an appointment! He must have been coked or methed to the gills or something. His tone sounded like he was going to hunt me down and beat the shiz out of me. Either that, or it was one of those manipulative games high pressure sales people play. He was a German guy.

    I'll name names.... That was Broadway VW in Redwood City, CA.

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    Talk about aggressive negotiations.That's pretty smart that you checked their lot for the car. Hope you have your CCW.

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    Oh, I forgot....

    When I was shopping for that Jetta back then, I went to another dealership. This was after the other stealership said they didn't have the car. The made me make an app't with a sales person. The night before, I browsed around their lot and saw they didn't have the car. I called the sales person the next day to say I would not be able to make the appointment (for various reasons), and they did not have the car on the lot anyway. The sales person got really angry with me and started yelling at me over the phone. He said I was an ass, and breaking the appointment was a 'slap in the face' to him. I mean, he was super pissed at me for calling to break an appointment! He must have been coked or methed to the gills or something. His tone sounded like he was going to hunt me down and beat the shiz out of me. Either that, or it was one of those manipulative games high pressure sales people play. He was a German guy.

    I'll name names.... That was Broadway VW in Redwood City, CA.

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    My buddy took me car shopping for a 98 Maxima. He took the newspaper ad proclaiming a Sale with him and this is pretty much the conversation:

    Buddy: Do you have any sales going on right now?
    Salesguy: Nope. You just missed our last promotion.
    Buddy: But I have a newspaper here (whipping it out) stating you have a sale going on.
    Salesguy: That ad is for another dealership.
    Buddy: The ad says Wonderies Nissan in Alhambra, and that's you.
    Salesguy: That an old ad from our last sale.
    Buddy: But this is today's newspaper, and the ad states that the sale starts today. Here is the date.
    Salesguy: The sale doesn't include Maximas.
    Buddy: But the ad says the sale includes all models. It even has a pictures of several Maximas with VIN numbers on sale.

    Lying with a straight face until the bitter end. How do these people sleep at night?

    Anyone interested in an interesting movie about aggressive car salesman should check out the movie Suckers. I actually remember them doing the head nodding tactic on me. Funny.

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    Sigh. Nobody ever talks about the good dealerships. I am in car sales and I guess the place I work at is an anomaly, because they are awesome.

    I realize the reputation my career has is the result of decades of sleaze and greed, but the industry is rapidly changing, it's actually very hard to stay in business for a long time if you act the way people are describing in this thread.

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    All you Carsale guys are there any tips or hints to get better deals?? Just curious because i plan on trading in my 2004 Chevy Tahoe in for maybe a 2008 or 2007 Acura TL. I checked KBB and got an Trade in Value for my truck im just gonna hate having to wasting my time if i go get a quote for my Tahoe and they try to offer my thousands less than what its worth

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Sigh. Nobody ever talks about the good dealerships. I am in car sales and I guess the place I work at is an anomaly, because they are awesome.

    I realize the reputation my career has is the result of decades of sleaze and greed, but the industry is rapidly changing, it's actually very hard to stay in business for a long time if you act the way people are describing in this thread.
    Alright, since you brought it up. I emailed Irvine Subaru for the best price and they gave me the best price on my WRX. I emailed other dealerships who could just match that price "if I'd come in". Did the same with my Wife's Forester. Bought 2 cars from them. No hassles, no games. No lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cj923 View Post
    All you Carsale guys are there any tips or hints to get better deals?? Just curious because i plan on trading in my 2004 Chevy Tahoe in for maybe a 2008 or 2007 Acura TL. I checked KBB and got an Trade in Value for my truck im just gonna hate having to wasting my time if i go get a quote for my Tahoe and they try to offer my thousands less than what its worth
    KBB is absolutely useless btw. Dealerships have an entirely different book they go by when valueing vehicles. The best thing you can do is know exactly what you want, state what you want, and stick to your guns.

    "I have this 04 tahoe with X miles, I want to trade it for that 08 TL, I dont want to pay more than X for the TL or I dont want to pay more than X a month. " And hold that line. Dont let them talk you into anything you dont need (you may want to look at extended warranties if its in your budget) but id stay away from dent/ding policies and the like. Make sure you get gap insurance.
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    Ok say i found a 08 TL for 19k how much could i usually haggle off that price?? I know every situation is different but whats a reasonable estimate that can get knocked off

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    Theres not a usual amount, theres to many variables.
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    Suckers...

    Cool. Just saved that to my Netflix queue. It's not available yet, but I'll check it out when it comes out. Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by tk1971 View Post
    My buddy took me car shopping for a 98 Maxima. He took the newspaper ad proclaiming a Sale with him and this is pretty much the conversation:

    Buddy: Do you have any sales going on right now?
    Salesguy: Nope. You just missed our last promotion.
    Buddy: But I have a newspaper here (whipping it out) stating you have a sale going on.
    Salesguy: That ad is for another dealership.
    Buddy: The ad says Wonderies Nissan in Alhambra, and that's you.
    Salesguy: That an old ad from our last sale.
    Buddy: But this is today's newspaper, and the ad states that the sale starts today. Here is the date.
    Salesguy: The sale doesn't include Maximas.
    Buddy: But the ad says the sale includes all models. It even has a pictures of several Maximas with VIN numbers on sale.

    Lying with a straight face until the bitter end. How do these people sleep at night?

    Anyone interested in an interesting movie about aggressive car salesman should check out the movie Suckers. I actually remember them doing the head nodding tactic on me. Funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Sigh. Nobody ever talks about the good dealerships. I am in car sales and I guess the place I work at is an anomaly, because they are awesome.

    I realize the reputation my career has is the result of decades of sleaze and greed, but the industry is rapidly changing, it's actually very hard to stay in business for a long time if you act the way people are describing in this thread.
    .

    ... So I'll plug Audi in Concord CA... the new one that just opened up. I took my car in for a minor recall (that was actually repaired by the last owner, but they wanted to do it themselves anyway... hey, no charge to me!) and I got my oil changed while I was at it.

    They lent me a brand new Audi A6 demo with supercharged V6 for a day. Dang... this thing is worth almost as much as I make in a year, and they are trusting ME with it... Suckas!!! All because my 9 year old, 106k mile car needs a bit of work. Very nice of them. Service was top notch, too. I was actually stressing about getting the car back to them by the end of the day (after putting 120 miles on it for work), but they were like... nah... it's cool if you get it back to us tomorrow morning.

    That car was sick.... Oh man. It was a total blast to drive. for a 4400 pound car, it felt light, and got 25 mpg even with my sometimes heavy foot.

    VW/Audi puts out this email promo every now and again where they flush some parts out at like 95% off. My wife's Avant CD Changer died and it just so happened to be on sale in this flyer for $29. I printed it out, brought it in to them and they happened to have one on the shelf. The parts guy was as shocked as I was, and was totally cool about it. That same parts guy also was very helpful in tracking down these stupid little connectors on the stereo wiring harness. He was happy to put in a bunch of work for what amounted to a $8 sale.

    I am never going to have a cash for a new, or even slightly used Audi. If I did, I would go there for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSlow35th View Post
    Theres not a usual amount, theres to many variables.
    So any tips on negotiating on the sticker price on new or used cars?

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    Sure.

    Rule #1 of negotiating is that the first person to name a price loses 80% of the difference between the negotiators positions. So for example instead of asking what does the car cost - to which a trained negotiator would quote lost price or ask you what you would expect to pay for it - ask what could a person reasonably expect to drive this car off the lot for. That will pretty much set the upper negotiating limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cj923 View Post
    So any tips on negotiating on the sticker price on new or used cars?
    Theres a unspoken "rule" in the car sales industry. Nobody pays sticker. To the consumer this means youre getting a deal and paying under sticker normally. To the dealership this means they are going to try their hardest to sell it to you over sticker. Your first line of defense is like shopping for anything else, look around online at similar vehicles and see what they are selling for. Then go in and look for what you want, dont talk price at all until you either cant help it or you are moving to negotiations. then say "Well, X dealer has it for $X, but id sure like to give this dealership my business as its close to home and this will be where I plan on having it serviced." Any sales staff worth their salt will realize that the long time customer base is worth the intial investment of knocking a little bit off the front end of the deal. Besides that, if you buy that car from me at $X, I may all of the lower sum of money. If you buy it from down the street motors, I dont make any of the lower sum. 50% fo something is a whole lot better than 100% of nothing.
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    Is it easier to negotiate on a new or used car? I can't afford a 2012 Acura TL so i already know I'm gonna be buying used. Just trying to get tips on negotiating on a use car.

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    See if you can find a pre owned certified 2011 or 2010. Theres not really any tips besides the normal method of haggling, stay skeptic and unsure until you hear a number that sounds pleasing to you then stick to your guns. In the end a good deal is getting a car you love for a price you like. By the market standards, I overpayed by about $2000 for my SS, but I love the car and Im very happy with my payments, so I feel like I got a good deal.
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    are you still in the car sales business?

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    I bought a honda from Lake Honda in NJ and they wanted $1000 to just sign the papers to get finance loan from them. It was good that I read their sales agreement. I was preapproved from my credit union so went with them instead. I thought maybe I could get a lower rate right from the dealer.

    I tell people always read sales contract anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cj923 View Post
    are you still in the car sales business?
    I work in parts sales for a Ford/Lincoln/Mercury dealership until I finish college. I liked doing sales but couldnt do the hours and go to school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
    Sure.

    Rule #1 of negotiating is that the first person to name a price loses 80% of the difference between the negotiators positions. So for example instead of asking what does the car cost - to which a trained negotiator would quote lost price or ask you what you would expect to pay for it - ask what could a person reasonably expect to drive this car off the lot for. That will pretty much set the upper negotiating limit.

    J.
    Don't act desperate. You don't 'need' the car, so you have plenty of time to make a decision... either here and now, or you can shop around some more if you don't get everything you want.... right?

    Also, don't get emotional. People make rash decisions when emotional. I mean, no need to get emotional, because it's not like you 'need' the car now, right?

    Keep your eye on the prize... the bottom line. They will try and jack things up on you in some way. In my case (the one time I was seriously shopping for a new car) they tried to tack on 'advertising fees' and other BS fees I never heard of totaling another $300. Okay, fine... so the car isn't really $17,500, its $17,800. You can call it what you want, but at the end of the day it's still $17,800 at the bottom line... I wanna pay $17,500. Doesn't matter what they call it if you have to pay it, right?

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    my best stealership experiences have been going through the dealers fleet sales division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cj923 View Post
    All you Carsale guys are there any tips or hints to get better deals?? Just curious because i plan on trading in my 2004 Chevy Tahoe in for maybe a 2008 or 2007 Acura TL. I checked KBB and got an Trade in Value for my truck im just gonna hate having to wasting my time if i go get a quote for my Tahoe and they try to offer my thousands less than what its worth
    To get the best price on a car you are going to sell takes work.

    Clean it up. Inside and outside. Consider fixing anything small and ugly. Clear out change, or anything else that could rattle when driving it.

    Then take it to a couple of dealerships for them to look at. Ask what they will offer to buy it from you. Not to trade in.

    Then decide if you want to list it in the paper/craigslist.

    Traded in one car for $750, after arguing it up from $400, and saw it on the lot a few days later for $2500. Sold the next two cars myself. Got more than any dealership would offer on it. Normally took me about a week.

    If you go for a trade in. Take the title, and a spare set of keys. Walk if they don't give you what you want. That simple. That the is most powerful thing a customer can do - walk away.
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    buy USED buying a NEW car is for suckers.

    if you have the time and a little patience and do your research you can get exactly what you want at the price you want.

    remember YOU have the power/cash they have the car if the price is not reasonable for what YOU want to pay walk out there will always be another opportunity next week or month.

    do not get emotionally attached to a wish list automobile it might be the super perfect one you have looking eons for but if the price isn't there then keep looking trust me another "perfect" car will show up shortly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL 9000 View Post
    buy USED buying a NEW car is for suckers.

    if you have the time and a little patience and do your research you can get exactly what you want at the price you want.

    remember YOU have the power/cash they have the car if the price is not reasonable for what YOU want to pay walk out there will always be another opportunity next week or month.

    do not get emotionally attached to a wish list automobile it might be the super perfect one you have looking eons for but if the price isn't there then keep looking trust me another "perfect" car will show up shortly.
    Yea but when i go look for a car i already know what i want its just are u gonna give it to me for what im looking for. For instance when i bought my Chevy Tahoe i went in looking for a Chevy Tahoe, dont try to sell me a Chevy Trailblazer thats not what i want so theres no need to try to convince or sell it to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reice05 View Post
    Yea but when i go look for a car i already know what i want its just are u gonna give it to me for what im looking for. For instance when i bought my Chevy Tahoe i went in looking for a Chevy Tahoe, dont try to sell me a Chevy Trailblazer thats not what i want so theres no need to try to convince or sell it to me.
    exactly how would you get sold a trailblazer if you were looking to buy a tahoe?

    now if your budget is for a trailblazer and not a tahoe nobody can work miracles.

    i do believe that is the number one reason why folks get pissed at car dealerships is because they do not do their homework and find out exactly what kind of car they can afford.

    what you can "afford" and what you can "buy" are two different things. people do not like to hear no...

    a shrewd saleperson would of asked the proper questions before hand and been able to offer options rather than just trying to steer you into something that you didn't want.

    if you leave the dealership feeling like you got screwed then YOU have only yourself to blame

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    Dealer invoice is the same at all dealerships. Just ask to see it during negotiation, subtract advertising costs, holdback, and other "add-ons" and negotiate up from there. Ask if there are any factory to dealer incentives, because you should get those too. Never negotiate down from sticker price - that is what the dealer is doing.

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    Never deal with a salesman go fleet. Never sign final papers at dealer have them pre-write them up and sign at your place of business or home should take only 10 minutes. If you have a credit union go thru there car buying service they find the exact car you want for the price you want and all paper work gets sign at the credit union no high pressure sells.

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    I think u misread what u put. I BOUGHT a Tahoe, but I was saying since I was shopping at used car dealerships they didn't/wouldn't have multiple Tahoes etc. For instance I went in looking for a 04 Black Tahoe with leather, 3rd row seating, etc all the had on the lot was either no leather or no cloth. So this one car salesman I was talking to showed me the 3 Tahoes, I wasn't interested in any of them so instead of given me his card he started showing me a black Trailblazer I just started laughing and was like no need to waste hour time. I understand trying to make $$ but if I'm already pre-financed through my credit union and know exactly what I WANT there's no need to try to sell me something else.

    Quote Originally Posted by HAL 9000 View Post
    exactly how would you get sold a trailblazer if you were looking to buy a tahoe?

    now if your budget is for a trailblazer and not a tahoe nobody can work miracles.

    i do believe that is the number one reason why folks get pissed at car dealerships is because they do not do their homework and find out exactly what kind of car they can afford.

    what you can "afford" and what you can "buy" are two different things. people do not like to hear no...

    a shrewd saleperson would of asked the proper questions before hand and been able to offer options rather than just trying to steer you into something that you didn't want.

    if you leave the dealership feeling like you got screwed then YOU have only yourself to blame

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    I bought a 2007 volvo xc90 for 27k. The dealer showed me some papers that indicated that he was making like $300 from the sale. Not sure if he was lying or if I really got an amazing deal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike83 View Post
    Dealer invoice is the same at all dealerships. Just ask to see it during negotiation, subtract advertising costs, holdback, and other "add-ons" and negotiate up from there. Ask if there are any factory to dealer incentives, because you should get those too. Never negotiate down from sticker price - that is what the dealer is doing.
    Im in business to make money, why on earth would I negotiate on the price I have to pay for the vehicle?
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    Heh....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cj923 View Post
    I think u misread what u put. I BOUGHT a Tahoe, but I was saying since I was shopping at used car dealerships they didn't/wouldn't have multiple Tahoes etc. For instance I went in looking for a 04 Black Tahoe with leather, 3rd row seating, etc all the had on the lot was either no leather or no cloth. So this one car salesman I was talking to showed me the 3 Tahoes, I wasn't interested in any of them so instead of given me his card he started showing me a black Trailblazer I just started laughing and was like no need to waste hour time. I understand trying to make $$ but if I'm already pre-financed through my credit union and know exactly what I WANT there's no need to try to sell me something else.
    Back when I worked retail, we called that SWISS selling.

    Sell What's In Stock, Stupid!

    Obviously, they had it, wanted to move it, and were trying to cram it down on you, and salesbot wasn't listening to you... trying to Jedi Mind Trick you into something else. I mean, heck... he lost the sale already, right? That was a hail mary.

    .... especially since back then, GM dealers were a dime a dozen and probably flushed with inventory. The sales guy knew that there was a good chance you would find what you wanted at another nearby dealership.

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    Besides that you get plenty of OTHER customers that come in looking for tahoes because their aunt/mom/grandmother said "tahoes are nice" when they were talking about looking at SUV's. Meanwhile they may not know trailblazers exist and may actually be open to the idea. Ive sold plenty of cars that were similar to what the customer originally asked for because once we determined we didnt have what they wanted and I asked if theyd like to look at the similar product they ended up liking it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSlow35th View Post
    Im in business to make money, why on earth would I negotiate on the price I have to pay for the vehicle?
    Maybe you have a car that has been sitting on the lot too long or is otherwise not going to move any other way, and you're willing to take a loss on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
    Maybe you have a car that has been sitting on the lot too long or is otherwise not going to move any other way, and you're willing to take a loss on it.
    You would have to have that car sitting on the lot for AT LEAST 180 days, and they dont have to pay taxes on the car again until a year has passed. So saying to shop like this is kind of misleading, as most dealerships arent going to have old age units on a regular basis. And if its an old age unit, it probably isnt going to be exactly what you want. Thats why its still sitting, its undesirable.
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