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    The R32, the GTI and the Accord

    Ok, not so much bike related but we played with the VW R32 and not once did I turn on the high zoot satellite radio. I just listened to the exhuast.

    https://reviews.carreview.com/blog/v...-video-review/
    Go to 3:33 minutes on the video. It's like Pavarotti on wheels.

    Hatchbacks make good bike cars too.

    Also, the new Accord is not the greatest bike car but man, what a car. We had the sedan and the coupe. Holy Audi. The sedan is absolutely stunning. It's as big as a 5 series BMW and as nice as any Lexus.
    https://reviews.carreview.com/blog/2...sedan-preview/
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    The Accord coupe is like an Infiniti G35 now. It's so fast with the 6-speed manual. Only problem is it's called an Accord still.


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    I have a 1.8T GTI right now and love it. Small, nimble, decent mpg, decent inside bike hauler.

    I'd love an R32 but I'm just to cheap to pay for one.

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    I had a Mini Cooper S, but sold it and got an 08 GTI. The GTI has much more room and is just as fast as the MCS. The handling is not quite as good, but on the street, you really don't miss anything. 30+ MPG, fast, and the bike fits in the back!

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    I have owned a number of GTi's/Golf's over the years. Here are pics of my 337 and my R32.
    The 337 was running a full Milltek turbo-back exhaust, Oberscheider ECU tune, and Forge diverter valve, and was probably a bit faster than the R32 which was stock save for the HPA short shifter. The R32 was by far the better car in my opinion though, and the sound of the 3.2l VR6 was a thing of beauty.



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    How well do bikes fit in those (ie, do you have to remove all the wheels and lower the seat)?

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    R32's are sweet. I got to drive one, came away extremely impressed. The owner autocross races it and had things pretty dialed. She convinced me to do some stupid stuff, and that car's abilities far surpase mine.

    5K in 1st, drop the clutch, then start hitting pedals/shifter until things get blurry. I know it's not a really fast car in a straight line, but dang, 100 mph came before I started breathing again. I could definitely rock one of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raja
    I had a Mini Cooper S, but sold it and got an 08 GTI. The GTI has much more room and is just as fast as the MCS. The handling is not quite as good, but on the street, you really don't miss anything. 30+ MPG, fast, and the bike fits in the back!
    Mini Cooper. Now that's my car. Fully Dinan'd, two bikes on the roof and I only get 22 mpg . 91 octane only too. It's relegated to weekend duty now.

    My son calls it 'sonic'. And we hoot n holler on the way to the trailhead. That's some quality bonding time right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam728
    R32's are sweet. I got to drive one, came away extremely impressed. The owner autocross races it and had things pretty dialed. She convinced me to do some stupid stuff, and that car's abilities far surpase mine.

    5K in 1st, drop the clutch, then start hitting pedals/shifter until things get blurry. I know it's not a really fast car in a straight line, but dang, 100 mph came before I started breathing again. I could definitely rock one of those.
    Having owned a lot of modified cars (Evos', WRX's, S4's, MCars) that were really fast, I can say that some of the most fun cars to drive that I have owned were certainly not the fastest. The R32 and 337 were great examples of that. I am driving an RX8 today, and although its not "fast" in comparison to an Evo, it has quickly become one of my all-time favorites as a "drivers" car. I gauge how much I like a car, by how often I want to drive it.

    One thing I miss with the RX8 is the utility of a hatchback though. At the very least the GTI and R32 make decent bike haulers using a roof rack. The RX8 will never see a bike inside or on top of it. I have been thinking about the new gen R32 as of late...

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    Quote Originally Posted by N10S
    Having owned a lot of modified cars (Evos', WRX's, S4's, MCars) that were really fast, I can say that some of the most fun cars to drive that I have owned were certainly not the fastest. The R32 and 337 were great examples of that. I am driving an RX8 today, and although its not "fast" in comparison to an Evo, it has quickly become one of my all-time favorites as a "drivers" car. I gauge how much I like a car, by how often I want to drive it.

    One thing I miss with the RX8 is the utility of a hatchback though. At the very least the GTI and R32 make decent bike haulers using a roof rack. The RX8 will never see a bike inside or on top of it. I have been thinking about the new gen R32 as of late...
    Nice to meetcha.

    Our car tester (kurt on the r32 video) owns an RX8. He loves it.

    Also, reminds me of the Mazdaspeed 3 that we had a couple months ago. Amazing space and unbelievable power. (280 lbs of torque)
    http://reviews.carreview.com/blog/ma...-video-review/

    http://reviews.carreview.com/blog/20...peed3-preview/

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Also, reminds me of the Mazdaspeed 3 that we had a couple months ago. Amazing space and unbelievable power. (280 lbs of torque
    Wait..Import Asian and the word torque used in the same sentence with "stock"? i dont think thats grammatically correct

    I like hondas direction with the accord...you cater to the family with the luxury edition, and then you take the same frame, put a couple tweaks to the look, and you have a "performance" crowd oriented car
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cata1yst
    Wait..Import Asian and the word torque used in the same sentence with "stock"? i dont think thats grammatically correct

    I like hondas direction with the accord...you cater to the family with the luxury edition, and then you take the same frame, put a couple tweaks to the look, and you have a "performance" crowd oriented car
    Time and time again, coupe versions of a four-door sedan turn up to be wannabe two door sports cars.

    But this one is different. It looks totally different and it drives different. It is firm and agile and feels much smaller. The engine comes to life with that 6-speed. Only thing holding it back from becoming a legit sports car is the 'accord' badge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Nice to meetcha.

    Our car tester (kurt on the r32 video) owns an RX8. He loves it.

    Also, reminds me of the Mazdaspeed 3 that we had a couple months ago. Amazing space and unbelievable power. (280 lbs of torque)
    http://reviews.carreview.com/blog/ma...-video-review/

    http://reviews.carreview.com/blog/20...peed3-preview/

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    Let's see....

    If we take the color and tint from N10S's R32, add the wheels and rack from Kurt's RX8 and apply them to the MS3 + bike that FC mentions above, what do we have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cata1yst
    Wait..Import Asian and the word torque used in the same sentence with "stock"? i dont think thats grammatically correct
    Torque...it's because it's turbo, there's a lot of accelerating force with these cars when you spin up that turbo, and it's not uncommon to see the torque numbers quite a bit higher than the horsepower.
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    2007 Gti

    Here's my 2007 GTI. I can fit the bike inside without any problems, but it looks much better on the roof.
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    My 06 GTI. Factory rack, with a McGuyvered Thule on top. Best of both worlds.

    Hidden Hitch makes a receiver hitch for the GTI, I may end up with one instead of the roof rack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    Nice to meetcha.

    Our car tester (kurt on the r32 video) owns an RX8. He loves it.

    Also, reminds me of the Mazdaspeed 3 that we had a couple months ago. Amazing space and unbelievable power. (280 lbs of torque)
    http://reviews.carreview.com/blog/ma...-video-review/

    http://reviews.carreview.com/blog/20...peed3-preview/

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    Nice to meet you too Francois! Thanks for those links and the pics of the MS3 and 8 as well! I haven't seen too many pictures of the 8 with roof rack installed so thats appreciated. I would really like to know how that has worked out for him and if its caused any trouble for him (door-seal/wind noise/finish). I had considered popping for a roof rack, but so far I have managed to drive into my garage with my bike on top a total of four times over the years three times in Mk III GTI's, and once in my Subaru Forester XT.

    You would think I would learn. That has to be one of the worst sounds/feelings when you crunch into your garage like that!!

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    My favorite car for bike carrying utility without sacrificing performance was my Forester XT. The ultimate "hatch". Modified with full Sti suspension, wheels/tires, and turbo/TMIC/catless UP and DP, pro-drive exhaust, and Cobb AP engine management. Here is a pic without the roof racks installed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel~
    Let's see....

    If we take the color and tint from N10S's R32, add the wheels and rack from Kurt's RX8 and apply them to the MS3 + bike that FC mentions above, what do we have?
    I love the Mazda 3's. If I could swing myself out of my RX8 and into an MS3 right now I would love it. Much easier to mod for big power, and although I am sure its not great on fuel mileage, the 14-18 mpg I get with the RX8 is killing my pocket book with the ongoing and exscalating price of premium fuel. The 3 simply provides a better solution for utility use while still looking pretty cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N10S
    I love the Mazda 3's. If I could swing myself out of my RX8 and into an MS3 right now I would love it. Much easier to mod for big power, and although I am sure its not great on fuel mileage, the 14-18 mpg I get with the RX8 is killing my pocket book with the ongoing and exscalating price of premium fuel. The 3 simply provides a better solution for utility use while still looking pretty cool.
    I've heard that the MPG for the RX8 can be pretty brutal. Having said that, the MS3 does not exactly get excellent mileage, either. I get a consistent 22mpg on premium, for mixed driving. Definitely not as good as the regular 3 or the Protege 5 that my wife drives, but of course, it's MUCH faster.

    If you have a propensity for driving your bikes into the roof of your garage, why not get a hitch rack?:

    http://www.etrailer.com/hitch-2006_Mazda_RX8.htm

    My curt hitch is very hard to see when the black rubber plug is installed.

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    Had an R32 back in 2004 and had a lot of great times in that car..



    ..now I've got a MKV GTI, love the gas mileage, love the interior, love the engine.... and I can haul my bike around in the back WITH my PA for gigs if needed... but this weekend I'm picking up a Thule for on top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel~
    I've heard that the MPG for the RX8 can be pretty brutal. Having said that, the MS3 does not exactly get excellent mileage, either. I get a consistent 22mpg on premium, for mixed driving. Definitely not as good as the regular 3 or the Protege 5 that my wife drives, but of course, it's MUCH faster.

    If you have a propensity for driving your bikes into the roof of your garage, why not get a hitch rack?:

    https://www.etrailer.com/hitch-2006_Mazda_RX8.htm

    My curt hitch is very hard to see when the black rubber plug is installed.
    Diesel,

    I do have a draftmaster 3-bike hitch rack that we use to haul the tandem and other bikes on the back of our sequoia. It is really a heavy hitch rack though, and not a good solution for using with passenger cars. I use my truck to haul my bike now-days.



    I have an old cannondale bed rack that has seen lots of use, and the best part is that I can actually drive into my garage without damaging the truck, bikes or garage!

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    I really like the GTI, (especially the dsg) but before I'd pulled the trigger on one a year ago I found out about the vw diesel sportwagen that was coming out and held off...so now I'll wait for a test drive on that one.

    Supposed to be getting up to 50's mpg (hwy) and super clean emissions (for a diesel I guess). All that extra cargo space and I'm digging the "panoramic" sunroof.

    I imagine it'd be a great car to take some trips in.

    http://www.vw.com/jettasportwagen/gallery/en/us/#/all/8 (not much diesel info here, just on the regular 2.5l)

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    Having gone from a modified TDI ('98 Jetta TDI with larger injectors, chip, and a few other tuning mods - wrecked it in the rain) I can say that it's not for everyone. It has gobs of torque which is nice for around-town driving but then the power drops off and you are left shifting gears in the same RPM range that a gasoline engine would come into its horsepower. The torque also results in wheelspin much more easily which is wasting fuel economy as well as wearing out your tires prematurely. Since I was replacing my tires every 10,000 miles with that car I should know. Yes, I got 10K miles regardless if I had performance tires on it or high-treadwear economy tires on it. It was a fun car to drive, though, and it was almost as quick as a lighter weight GTI VR6 of the same era with the mods I had on it but it returned more than twice the mileage doing so (about 40MPG per tank). With my '06 GLI I have almost the same amount of torque (albeit with almost 50% more weight) but the power builds all the way to redline and it is a much quicker car, stock. I still manage to average in the high 20's for a full tank and I've seen mileage in the 30's on long road trips with that car.

    The Mk V series of VWs are very well built cars. I'm very happy with mine. Had the TDI been available when I bought my car I would have bought another one but they were not available in California and I did not want to go through the trouble of trying to get one into this state so it didn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    The Accord coupe is like an Infiniti G35 now. It's so fast with the 6-speed manual. Only problem is it's called an Accord still.fc
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    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    But this one is different. It looks totally different and it drives different. It is firm and agile and feels much smaller. The engine comes to life with that 6-speed. Only thing holding it back from becoming a legit sports car is the 'accord' badge.
    And somewhere you missed the big "H" and failed to recognize the association of Honda and racing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaster1200
    And somewhere you missed the big "H" and failed to recognize the association of Honda and racing?

    Whuuuut? My family has owned the last 4 generations of Accords. They're very good cars. Very sedate cars.

    I'm just making a point that this Accord is very different.

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