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    Head-to-head comparison of H2 and regular truck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Moody
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    no... it doesnt even look tough... just big. Kinda like the big fat kid in school no one was affraid of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zonk0u
    no... it doesnt even look tough... just big. Kinda like the big fat kid in school no one was affraid of.
    Have you seen the H3? Looks like a creepy jeep.
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    the Hummer (and every other SUV) DEFINITELY is that big fat kid that thought he intimidated everyone but actually was the butt of many jokes, Zonk.

    how true your statement is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee
    Have you seen the H3? Looks like a creepy jeep.
    I just googled up a Car and Driver article on it. Looks like Hummer (General Motors) has finally built a Jeep.
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    Well, the H2 is a truck. Is built on the same platform as GM trucks, basically a Suburban with another body.

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    Head-to-head comparison of H2 and regular truck
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    The H2, and now H3 are watered down versions of the real thing... Basically aimed at people who reeeeeeally want the baddest off road vehicle possible but just can't afford it, don't know how to use it, and just think the word "Hummer" is cool. Only they are NOTHING like real Humvees, even street legal ones... I cringe every time i see one of those lame contraptions.

    However, what a successful marketing scheme... Those things are EVERYWHERE...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtmartin46
    Basically aimed at people who reeeeeeally want the baddest off road vehicle possible but just can't afford it, don't know how to use it, and just think the word "Hummer" is cool.
    I thought they were aimed at people who had run out of ways to waste their money in really, really stupid ways. A "luxury" assault vehicle? And I have to ask, just how much money do we have to throw away as a society when $100 grand for this kind of joke makes sense to anybody?



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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee
    Have you seen the H3? Looks like a creepy jeep.
    no... but if the H2 is any indication, it'll be like a morbidly obese woman. Painful to the eyes, yet you cant help but look.
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    BARF

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtmartin46
    The H2, and now H3 are watered down versions of the real thing... Basically aimed at people who reeeeeeally want the baddest off road vehicle possible but just can't afford it, don't know how to use it, and just think the word "Hummer" is cool. Only they are NOTHING like real Humvees, even street legal ones... I cringe every time i see one of those lame contraptions.

    However, what a successful marketing scheme... Those things are EVERYWHERE...

    I was less than impressed with HMMWVs when I was in the Army...the little 1/4 tons (willy's) ate them for breakfast as far as off road capability.
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    Crumple Zones. All newer vehicles need to have them in order to meet crash safety standards. If your vehicle is built like a "tank", it will survive the crash, but the passengers won't. The results of the photo are not that surprising.

    Funny none the less.

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    That's really old news. And you can get 2 H2s for 100k. The only real Hummer is the HMMWV... when I really want offroad capability, I'll take a CJ, thank you very much.
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    SUVs are for women with no self-esteem, and men who have penile inadequacy concerns.

    go ahead, get one.

    you know now what you are telling the world when you get one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzostrike
    SUVs are for women with no self-esteem, and men who have penile inadequacy concerns.

    go ahead, get one.

    you know now what you are telling the world when you get one.
    Huh? I drive an SUV (Tahoe), have for years. It's the only way to get my driftboat onto the river in some spots/seasons. Never really thought about my penis when I bought it, was more concerned about being able to retrieve my boat after a drift, but I guess you've cleared all that up for me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzostrike
    SUVs are for women with no self-esteem, and men who have penile inadequacy concerns.

    go ahead, get one.

    you know now what you are telling the world when you get one.
    So this begs a question, is a 4Runner an SUV or not? Come on gonz' ... inquiring minds want to know ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobW
    Huh? I drive an SUV (Tahoe), have for years. It's the only way to get my driftboat onto the river in some spots/seasons. Never really thought about my penis when I bought it, was more concerned about being able to retrieve my boat after a drift, but I guess you've cleared all that up for me...
    I would modify Gonz's statement to say "The VAST MAJORITY of SUVs..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drewdane
    I would modify Gonz's statement to say "The VAST MAJORITY of SUVs..."
    Thanks, Drew. I was getting concerned about my lack of concern over my apparant penile inadequacy. Being happily married with (so my wife tells me) a healthy sex life and three kids (I know it works) it came as a shocker to hear that I have repressed these concerns to the point that I wasn't even aware of them. It comes as a great relief to find I haven't been living in denial lo these many years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzostrike
    SUVs are for women with no self-esteem, and men who have penile inadequacy concerns.

    go ahead, get one.

    you know now what you are telling the world when you get one.
    Sadly, we know what your telling the world about your self-esteem every time you post.

    My sympathy goes out to you. Hopefully god will bless you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlg
    Crumple Zones. All newer vehicles need to have them in order to meet crash safety standards...
    It doesn't look like the passenger compartment's integrity has been violated. All I see is a demolished front end. Looks like the people in both vehicles could have walked away from that one. Not bad in my book...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Kitty
    So this begs a question, is a 4Runner an SUV or not? Come on gonz' ... inquiring minds want to know ...
    4runner yeah, Xterra no!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzostrike
    SUVs are for women with no self-esteem, and men who have penile inadequacy concerns.

    go ahead, get one.

    you know now what you are telling the world when you get one.

    Thanks Gonz !!! I was wondering about the source of my burning desire to buy one of these !

    That "I needed something to haul my quiver of mountain bikes around in." rationalization wouldn't have fooled anyone apparently.
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    The best H2 related site out there is "F-you and your H2":
    https://www.fuh2.com/

    <img src="https://www.fuh2.com/images/polaroid.jpg">

    From the home page:
    The H2 is the ultimate poseur vehicle. It has the chassis of a Chevy Tahoe and a body that looks like the original Hummer; i.e. it's a Chevy Tahoe in disguise.

    The H2 is a gas guzzler. Because it has a gross vehicle weight rating over 8500 lbs, the US government does not require it to meet federal fuel efficiency regulations. Hummer isn't even required to publish its fuel economy (owners indicate that they get around 10 mpg for normal use). So while our brothers and sisters are off in the Middle East risking their lives to secure America's fossil fuel future, H2 drivers are pissing away our "spoils of victory" during each trip to the grocery store.

    The H2 is a polluter. Based on G.M.'s optimistic claim that it gets13 mpg, an H2 will produce 3.4 metric tons of carbon emissions in a typical year, nearly double that of G.M.'s Chevrolet Malibu sedan.

    The H2 is a death machine. You'd better hope that you don't collide with an H2 in your economy car. You can kiss your ass goodbye thanks to the H2's massive weight and raised bumpers. Too bad you couldn't afford an urban assault vehicle of your own. Or could you...?

    The H2 is a tax loophole. Under Bush's new tax plan, business owners can deduct the entire cost of their $55,000 H2. If you are in the highest tax bracket, that's a tax savings of nearly $20,000! The government rewards you more savings for buying an H2 than you'd get for buying an electric car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan on a stick
    4runner yeah, Xterra no!
    I'd say the 4Runner is not an SUV in the spirit of the H2. The 4Runner is reasonably fuel efficient, it does have a good off road capability, and they'll be running long after the last H2 goes to that junkyard in the sky...and probably running longer then Xterra's, too. Toyotas in general might not be the sportiest vehicles out there, but they LAST.

    I owned a 1985 Toyota LandCruiser FJ60 for a number of years. I used to call it a "UV" rather than an "SUV" because there certainly was nothing sporty about it. Toyota put stick shifts in these trucks because it gave the driver something to do while the truck got up to highway speed. 125hp on a 4300lb body just didn't quite work. My old Civic had the same amount of horsepower and 2000 pounds less weight. However, when the weather got bad, or when I took it off road, there was no surer-footed vehicle out there than the old LandCruiser.

    I ended up selling the '85 for a '99 4Runner that I bought used. The old LandCruiser was eating me out of house and home with it's appetite for premium gas at 11 mpg. It would now be costing me over $60 to fill it up if I still had it. The 4Runner was a better everyday vehicle, ran on regular gas at an average of 18 mpg, and the few times I took it off road, while it is not as sure-footed as the old LandCruiser, it handled reasonably well.

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    Heres an H2 doing the Rubicon Trail (not lifted)

    Heres a stock H3 and H2 (except tires) doing escalator? or hells gate? at moab




    Some more H3's at Moab

    Rubicon? Maybe
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    If that first one is not lifted, they sure have spent some money on bumpers that would require new suspension components to compensate for the 100s of pounds difference. Good to see some in action, though I am sure about 1% see action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan on a stick
    4runner yeah, Xterra no!
    Yeah right.

    That sure explains why they introduced something even more burly and gnar core to try and out the Xterra...the FJ (which still falls short IMO).
    but these guys disagree....
    Xterra vs. Hummer vs. FJ vs. Rubicon....

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...onclusion.html

    nevermind, that is the H2;
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobW
    It doesn't look like the passenger compartment's integrity has been violated. All I see is a demolished front end. Looks like the people in both vehicles could have walked away from that one. Not bad in my book...
    Well, that doesn't tell you anything, a vehicle with a high amount of mass will transfer a lot of force to the occupants due to inertia, so even though it "looks" ok, often times it's not, and there's a huge fallacy that a "bigger" vehicle is more crash worthy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CharacterZero
    If that first one is not lifted, they sure have spent some money on bumpers that would require new suspension components to compensate for the 100s of pounds difference. Good to see some in action, though I am sure about 1% see action.
    The stock stuff is so heavy to begin with the aftermarket stuff dosent add that much weight. You can fit 37x12.50's on a stock H2. Lifting them makes them less capable in most off road situations as they tilt easier and break easier. 1% of ANY suv's see off road action.
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    H2 and H3's are nothing but grocery getters.....LMAO I love to see dead hummer like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markie_Mark
    H2 and H3's are nothing but grocery getters.....LMAO I love to see dead hummer like this.
    There is a publix at the end of the rubicon trail in that first pic, and I think there is a Kroger at the top of escalator, and an Albertsons at the top of hells gate.
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    Yes they would've survived no doubt and it did its job, but guess what they were doing 25-35mph at the most. Imagine a head on like this doing 50mph....
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    Those first 2 pictures show how miserable the Hummer's 4 wheel independent suspension is for rock climbing. I'm stunned it even made it. (must have been the widest parts of the trail) A solid axle would have all 4 wheels making contact rather than 2 or 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee
    Have you seen the H3? Looks like a creepy jeep.

    In white the H3 reminds me of an ice-cream truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle63
    Those first 2 pictures show how miserable the Hummer's 4 wheel independent suspension is for rock climbing. I'm stunned it even made it. (must have been the widest parts of the trail) A solid axle would have all 4 wheels making contact rather than 2 or 3.
    H2's and H3's have IFS and a solid rear axle. Only an H1 has four wheel independent suspension. Take a better look at the pics and you can see the solid rear axle. Solid axles also don't automatically mean excelent wheel articulation. My 85 Toyota with solid axles front and rear had poor articulation with the factory suspension.
    I just don't get the hate for the H2 Don't like it, then don't buy one. I happen to hate the prius, but I'm not gonna go hunting for Prius owners to heckle. And just for clarification, I don't own a Hummer or a SUV of any kind, I just don't get the rabid hate for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelerfreak
    H2's and H3's have IFS and a solid rear axle. Only an H1 has four wheel independent suspension. Take a better look at the pics and you can see the solid rear axle. Solid axles also don't automatically mean excelent wheel articulation. My 85 Toyota with solid axles front and rear had poor articulation with the factory suspension.
    I just don't get the hate for the H2 Don't like it, then don't buy one. I happen to hate the prius, but I'm not gonna go hunting for Prius owners to heckle. And just for clarification, I don't own a Hummer or a SUV of any kind, I just don't get the rabid hate for them.
    Yep, my bad - I was thinking of the H1. I forgot that the newer Hummers all use a Tahoe chassis, etc. I'm sure there are exceptions, but generally speaking solid axles are the way to go for most off-roading - especially rock crawling. I've seen some lifted Cherokees that have unbelievable articulation - even with those rear leaf springs. (I've actually got a picture of one somewhere - I"ll post it if I find it - it will blow your mind)

    The reason for the backlash against the Hummer is the size and environmental impact. Of course all SUV's tend to be guilty of this (BTW, I drive a Tahoe) but with most other SUV's there is at least the possibility that the owner bought the vehicle for its utilitarian abilities rather than the "image" of driving a truck. But with the Hummer, all doubt is removed. There is no other reason you buy one other than you want to look tough. THAT is why people tend to hate them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle63
    The reason for the backlash against the Hummer is the size and environmental impact. Of course all SUV's tend to be guilty of this (BTW, I drive a Tahoe) but with most other SUV's there is at least the possibility that the owner bought the vehicle for its utilitarian abilities rather than the "image" of driving a truck. But with the Hummer, all doubt is removed. There is no other reason you buy one other than you want to look tough. THAT is why people tend to hate them.
    I would disagree that there is no other reason to buy one than to look tough. A previous poster showed pics of people who actually use their Hummers. The H3 doesn't get horrible mileage, it's average for it's class. The H2 is actually built on the 2500 Suburban chassis, unless they changed that with the new GMT 9000 platform (which I don't think the H2 is using yet).
    I do agree that for rock crawling solid axle rigs are preferred, the several crawlers I've built as well as the 2 I currently have, have all been solid axles. But, the vast majority of people don't buy their new SUV's to rock crawl. Heck studies have shown that over 90% of people who buy 4x4's only use them for inclement weather situations rather than off roading.
    Environmental damage, well that's a whole can of worms that is very devisive and controversial among the different camps.

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    I probably should clarify, when I say Hummer I guess I'm really referring to the H2.

    I'm not sure about you, but I've never seen a Hummer towing a boat. (or anything else for that matter) My impression is that if you need the utility of a Suburban, then you generally buy a Suburban.

    Right or wrong, I think a lot of people are willing to tolerate a gas-guzzling 3/4 ton Suburban when it's being used to tow a 4000lb fishing boat to the lake every weekend than they are a gas-guzzling Hummer that was bought for vanity.

    Now I suppose it's theoretically possible that there are people who bought an H2 purely for practical reasons, but then again I suppose it's theoretically possible that global warming is a hoax, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle63
    I probably should clarify, when I say Hummer I guess I'm really referring to the H2.

    I'm not sure about you, but I've never seen a Hummer towing a boat. (or anything else for that matter) My impression is that if you need the utility of a Suburban, then you generally buy a Suburban.

    Right or wrong, I think a lot of people are willing to tolerate a gas-guzzling 3/4 ton Suburban when it's being used to tow a 4000lb fishing boat to the lake every weekend than they are a gas-guzzling Hummer that was bought for vanity.

    Now I suppose it's theoretically possible that there are people who bought an H2 purely for practical reasons, but then again I suppose it's theoretically possible that global warming is a hoax, right?
    ... buy SUVs because they are cooler than station wagons, but they basically get used for the same thing. They think they are safer than regular cars, which the NTSB statistics do not back up at all. Quite the opposite. They also think it project an image of an active lifestyle. Boating, going to the mountains, ruggedness, that sort of thing. Personally, I think its a waste of cash and natural resouces unless you really use the thing at least every weekend in a way that a regular passenger car could not be used. But that's just me.

    I've said it before. I think I would rather see more modern SUVs that get 17 MPG on the road than a VW air cooled pollutionmobile Bus that gets 17 MPG.

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