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    The '10-newer Subaru Thread

    Well, I'm stuck on what 2012 model to get. I currently have an 08 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara with everything and 33 inch tires. I have the lifetime powertrain warranty and yes the crappy minivan engine which sucks a quart of oil every 1K miles.
    Anyways, I just can't justify paying $71 a week for gas on my Jeep. I know that Jeep will be coming out with the new Pentastar engine this fall but will only get 23mpg on the highway and 16 city. I'm getting 15/19 now. I looked into the newer Subarus' and they lifted them 2 inches (8.7 ground clearance)(same as stock Jeep Wrangler Sport). I can get up to 28mpg and 256 HP. I hate to leave Jeep but it just doesn't make sense anymore. Mostly beach driving for off road is what it will see.
    What do you think?

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    You should go with a Toyota Tacoma.

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    LOL. I used to have one but the mileage on the TRD just isn't there. 14/18. Best truck I ever owned.

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    Hate to geek out on the numbers but I can't resist...

    The 2010+ H6 Outback will get you at most mid 20s mpg, and probably an average in the low 20s (it's rated 18/25). Presuming the Subie H6 Outback will get an average of 23 mpg, that really means a savings of ~$25/week or ~$1,300/year in gas. You'll take ~10% depreciation (~$2,800) on that brand new Subie the second you sign on the dotted line, and will take at least ~30% total depreciation ($8,500) in the first 3 years. Upgrading to the new H6 Subie is a net finanical loss by a long shot.

    Such an upgrade only financially makes sense if the target is about the same cost (or less) and at the same point in the depreciation curve (i.e., if you were to opt for an '08 H6 Outback); and also don't forget the excise/sales tax that will have a payback period too if you state has such an evil (probably at least a year's worth of as savings).

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    lol, i love people that think like i do ^^^
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    Subarus hold their value very well...so well that it's hardly worth it to buy a newer used one. Also, the 09 H6 takes premium

    Nevertheless, if gas is the only reason you're doing this, it'll take you a long time to come out ahead. Maybe you should get a 5+ year old commuter car to save gas and keep the Jeep for fun.

    Also, they had a steering wheel vibration problem they were having a tough time fixing, and that may develop later in life. I'm not 100% convinced it's solved.

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    The 09 H6 is not worth the cost over the 4 cylinder. The 3.6 in the 10+ cars is way worth it tho. Beautiful motor for that car.

    And yeah, if you are looking, it's better to go new as opposed to a pre-owned 2010 or 2011. The resale value is so high, there is very little (sometimes none) price savings. The only benefit is if you want the Certified Pre-Owned Gold warranty from a dealership, in that case the warranty is much cheaper.

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    Just looked at the teaser shot of the 2012 Impreza. Talk about being bland. If you're going for MPG, I'd rather shoot for 30+ with something like a Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Audi A3 TDI, etc. or even go Hybrid.

    I'm driving a JKU too, atm gas isn't too bad. I'll start complaining about the price when it's cost over $100 bucks to fill up the tank. I'd probably driving something like a Impreza or Forester too if I didn't need the ground clearance.

    Jeep's also have a good resale value luckily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAUMAhead
    Just looked at the teaser shot of the 2012 Impreza. Talk about being bland. If you're going for MPG, I'd rather shoot for 30+ with something like a Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Audi A3 TDI, etc. or even go Hybrid.

    I'm driving a JKU too, atm gas isn't too bad. I'll start complaining about the price when it's cost over $100 bucks to fill up the tank. I'd probably driving something like a Impreza or Forester too if I didn't need the ground clearance.

    Jeep's also have a good resale value luckily.
    We have 2 11' Outbacks in the family. The 3.6R is averaging 26.3 MPG with a 90 mile commute twice a week and about 20 miles a week around town. The 2.5i is averaging 27.7 MPG with around time driving and weekend trip car. Both vehicles are just over 4K miles and when the 2.5i was taken out for a long road trip we averaged 33 MPG. The new 12' Impreza is modeling a smaller Legacy. It might grow on you...

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    Wow, I can't believe that the Outback has better ground clearance than the Toyota Tacoma.
    8.7 vs 8.1

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAUMAhead
    Just looked at the teaser shot of the 2012 Impreza. Talk about being bland. If you're going for MPG, I'd rather shoot for 30+ with something like a Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Audi A3 TDI, etc. or even go Hybrid.

    I'm driving a JKU too, atm gas isn't too bad. I'll start complaining about the price when it's cost over $100 bucks to fill up the tank. I'd probably driving something like a Impreza or Forester too if I didn't need the ground clearance.

    Jeep's also have a good resale value luckily.
    First, you are making a decision about the styling from only seeing the side profile. If you saw the side profile of a Civic, Elantra, 08-11 Impreza, they would look just as crappy.

    Secondly, the MPG for this car, with a gas engine, with continuous AWD, is excellent. Nobody else matches that. You are throwing diesel's in there and hybrids, and that's a whole 'nother story, and at much higher price points.

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    Beg to differ on the side profile shots. Here's an Elantra from the side vs Impreza.




    Forgot about AWD. Can't really think of a situation where FWD wouldn't be able to go where AWD would. Base Jetta TDI is 23 grand. 3.6 Legacy is 25k, 3.6 Outback is 28k.

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    The Jetta is in a smaller class than the Legacy/Outbacks...

    That Impreza you pictured will be getting 35 MPG on the highway... with AWD.

    And as far as AWD vs FWD, I'm not getting into that, but snow tires on a FWD are NOT the be-all-end-all.

    That aside, I am not sure how an Impreza worked it's way into this thread as the OP wasn't even considering a compact car from what I read

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumper780
    Wow, I can't believe that the Outback has better ground clearance than the Toyota Tacoma.
    8.7 vs 8.1
    Looks like they only measured one Tacoma. Tire size helps.

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    WTF happened to their concept car? Bad translation!



    All the details look very similar, but somehow the production car as a whole doesn't look nearly as good. It's like they melted the concept car a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX

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    Secondly, the MPG for this car, with a gas engine, with continuous AWD, is excellent. Nobody else matches that. You are throwing diesel's in there and hybrids, and that's a whole 'nother story, and at much higher price points.
    Audi.

    My A4 (1.8 liter, turbo gasoline) gets 29 mpg real world freeway (rated 29 EPA hwy). The new ones (2.0 turbo FSI) get 35... 33 mpg real world..... and still go 0-60 in around 6.5 seconds.

    Then again, there is no ground clearance. While the Quattro (full time, not Haldex) AWD system is really good even off road, you would not want to take it off road for other reasons. And the money you saved on gas would be eaten up in maintenance.

    As for AWD/FWD goes, I'm going to have a very hard time going back to FWD (one wheel drive, really) if I have to. Even on dry pave, AWD is the shiz, IMO. The car is just stuck to everything so much better. I have an on-ramp near my house that is slick as heck whenever it rains. It's so bad, I have a hard time getting the car over 50 mph by the end to merge onto the freeway, and I have to fight the FWD all the way up. With AWD, I hardly have to think about it. I'm not trying to drag race up the ramp, just normal driving.

    Yeah, I wouldn't 'upgrade' for just the gas savings (from a money alone standpoint), but if you're upgrading for a bunch of other reasons, may as well get something with better mileage.
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    What happened to the 2007 WRX/STI look. That thing looked MEAN.

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    I dunno... some think the new Subies are boring, but I think they look pretty elegant. Good clean lines.

    Subie style has always been a turn off for me, but I like the way they drive (apart from the older automatic 4 speed tranny). I always try to get an Impreza when I rent cars for work when traveling.

    The new crop.. I could actually like it for how it looks. The older ones with the hood scoops and odd two tone color choices... I always wondered who let that out of the barn dressed like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    Audi.

    My A4 (1.8 liter, turbo gasoline) gets 29 mpg real world freeway (rated 29 EPA hwy). The new ones (2.0 turbo FSI) get 35... 33 mpg real world..... and still go 0-60 in around 6.5 seconds.

    Then again, there is no ground clearance. While the Quattro (full time, not Haldex) AWD system is really good even off road, you would not want to take it off road for other reasons. And the money you saved on gas would be eaten up in maintenance.

    As for AWD/FWD goes, I'm going to have a very hard time going back to FWD (one wheel drive, really) if I have to. Even on dry pave, AWD is the shiz, IMO. The car is just stuck to everything so much better. I have an on-ramp near my house that is slick as heck whenever it rains. It's so bad, I have a hard time getting the car over 50 mph by the end to merge onto the freeway, and I have to fight the FWD all the way up. With AWD, I hardly have to think about it. I'm not trying to drag race up the ramp, just normal driving.

    Yeah, I wouldn't 'upgrade' for just the gas savings (from a money alone standpoint), but if you're upgrading for a bunch of other reasons, may as well get something with better mileage.
    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/

    A 2002 Audi A4 is rated at 18/26. The 2011 Audi 2.0 FSI is rated 22/30. Your a bit off my friend. I have owned a 2002 Audi A4 and can't remember ever getting 29mpg out of a tank. I drive very mellow in the "real world".

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    Well, they revised the EPA estimates downward

    Quote Originally Posted by PeakBagger
    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/

    A 2002 Audi A4 is rated at 18/26. The 2011 Audi 2.0 FSI is rated 22/30. Your a bit off my friend. I have owned a 2002 Audi A4 and can't remember ever getting 29mpg out of a tank. I drive very mellow in the "real world".
    Sorry for the threadjack....

    This is the old estimate.

    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calcu...umn=1&id=17494

    My engine is GIAC chipped to 205 hp and I still get 29 mpg average on my daily commute, including stop and go traffic through the tunnel over a 1000 foot grade. I might do better with the stock program. I typically get around 400 miles on a tank, and I don't run it down to the red, and I usually keep it above 70 on the freeway. I'm not doing any hypermile shenanigans (unsafe drafting, shutting the engine off downhill, etc), but I don't wind the engine out (often) and I try to keep the engine out of turbo boost as much as I can help.

    Manual transmission, sport package (lowered an extra inch) might have something to do with it. I also found I got 2 mpg better without the cruise control. The AC compressor runs all the time unless you run 'Econ' mode if the outside air temp is above like 60 degrees. The 2003 model they changed the button label to AC and reversed the LED light. Weird.

    Fast Eddy on these boards has a 2007 A4, IIRC. He claims he gets 35 mpg with the 6 speed manual.

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    Subaru has always had a funky style. I'm on my 3rd one in 10 years, couldn't resist the 2007 WRX Wagon. Now I'm thinking of two things: keep it and lift it by sticking Forester struts in her or sell it to build up a rally 2002 WRX sedan and buy a beater pickup for daily driving and mountain biking duties. It's a shame they won't give us the turbo-diesel outbacks that the rest of the world has. Imagine getting Prius mileage but with a car that is actually safe/functional/fun. If you do go with a Subaru and you're willing to turn your own wrenches they'll be the best cars you've owned. Even changing the spark plugs is more user friendly than my friends new 2011 F-150.

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    ... and if we just ...

    I own a 2011 OB with the 3.6 H6 motor Over the past 5785 miles, I have been averaging 24.9 MPG and that includes towing a flats skiff to and from work . It also runs on 87 Octane and the car drives like a dream. On the highway I get 28- 31 MPG depending on traffic and weather. In the city the MPG's are around 22 again depending on traffic(lights)..

    It's my first Subaru but it is the 2nd one in the family. My mom has a '07 OB with the 2.5 motor. So far so good on both cars. Subaru has the highest resale value of any brand as of right now and you'd be hard pressed to find a Soob with low miles in good condition, The cars seem to migrate through the families that own them seemingly for-ever...
    Current ride(s) 2011 Santa Cruz Blur LT and a Norco Threshold SL with Di2

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    I miss my GC8 Impreza with the 2.0T swap. Great styling with the umph of the WRX. I love Subaru's for the quality of the drivetrain, but it's hard to get into the new styling. The Forrester is starting to come around. It has an almost perfect 50/50 weight ratio with not so harsh/boxy lines. All in all, Subaru is one of the most dependable cars out there. The boxer engines are tops, and easy to maintain. After owning an Audi, Saturn Vue, Volvo, and now a Passat 4motion... my next buy will be back with Subaru. You just can't beat what you get for the pricepoint.

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