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    Uber 9er, he he he.....

    So here it is. Not quite done, but so close I can smell it. Thanks goes to RW420, CannondaleTony, and Kona0197, for impetus, machining, and front end, in that order

    So it's a standard Uber-fication front end, with a Prophet rear end. Carbon 140 dropped to 125, with a customized TPC+ compression assembly, for positional, as well as speed sensitive compression damping. The issues surrounding it include the rear shock mount is offset to the non drive side, so I had it machined to be even, so the Prophet end would mate properly. Next issue was SV's have a larger pivot bolt than Prophets, and Prophets bearings are smaller OD. Turns out ABI makes a bearing with the OD, and ID required, so it's a seamless pairing I'm waiting on those, and I need to figure out shifting, it's gonna be a 1X9, as the FD can't fit anywhere.... ah well, can't get 'em all. I have to think this is about the sickest, fattest travel 29er out there, and it's been a fun project! Enjoy!
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    Impressive!!

    Look really nice!

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    If riding it is half as fun as building it, you'll have a blast!

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    Oh man, can't get that thing at Song Mart. Pretty wild. Have fun with it...

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    Coolness.....
    Shoulda got it back to you sooner!
    How bout a pic or two of the pivot with spacers?
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    hah, that looks crazy! Though it prob works like a charm. It looks really weird or unusual with the prophet swingarm without the seattube behind it. Besides, that must have been a blast building. I love building bikes, but i've yet to do anything custom like this.

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    nice job! that thing is sure to frighten some children.

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    Now that is a "frankenbike" Craig! I think you should have it connected to the lightning rod to make sure it comes back to life. The Brooks saddle is the perfect finishing touch.
    Great job, I love it!

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    Cool!

    Love those DIY projects ,
    but I don't see any Duct Tape or any tie rap , little disapointed...
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    wow... clunk (sound of jaw hitting floor)
    Just too cool!!! how's it ride? Or is it too early to hop and it and give it a spin?
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    I've never seen anything like this before!
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    Thanks guys

    It was fun to build, and I'm not done yet. I need a rear shifter, no front, ah well. Still awaiting bearings, it's just a mock up, the swing arm flops all over, totally un-rideable, much to my chagrin. The previous Uber I built was a fun bike, but it cam at a point in time when I'd found the bigger wheels, and it just lacked that certain, something. Tony, as soon as the bearings are in (still can't believe I found the right "conversion" bearing!) I'll shoot a few of the pivot, all spaced up. He did nice work BTW fellas, need stuff done? I'm sure his Union boss won't mind!
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    That thing looks sick! Awesome that you found the right bearings too...I'm still looking for a regular dropout Gemini swingarm in either white or black to try a similar project (not 29'er though) for my current Prophet...
    BTW Mendon thanks a lot for the quick shipping....air seal kits arrived here 2 days ago already
    Just need some more time to actually take everything apart... (has more seals than I thought )
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    Craig, will an e-type FD work? Or is there just not enough room with the swingarm? Seems like there should be some kind of interesting way to make it work.

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    You should post this bike in the 29'er forum too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac
    You should post this bike in the 29'er forum too.
    He did.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=396664
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    Nice one Craig

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    Cool build. Doesn't an E-type front derailleur work on it?

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    Yeah, E-Type was my initial thought, but they require a mount point to bolt the plate to, on a seat tube, which isn't there, bummer. Unless I get really creative (Spring is not the time for that...) It'll be 1X9 for the foreseeable future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Yeah, E-Type was my initial thought, but they require a mount point to bolt the plate to, on a seat tube, which isn't there, bummer. Unless I get really creative (Spring is not the time for that...) It'll be 1X9 for the foreseeable future.
    Im sure you could have something fancy machined up for the mounting an E type

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan1104
    Im sure you could have something fancy machined up for the mounting an E type

    Hmmm, dunno, look at the pics. There'd have to be a stub on the front triangle, as the swingarm moves (duh) and with nothing there to work with (not interested in welding something there) I'm thinking I'm just going to have to be manly about it, or, be old school, and move the chain by hand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    ...... I'm thinking I'm just going to have to be manly about it, or, be old school, and move the chain by hand!
    A Rohloff would be a solution.
    And it would add to the "unique-ness" factor.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by fokof
    A Rohloff would be a solution.
    And it would add to the "unique-ness" factor.....
    Best thing about this project, is how relatively cheap it was, and while cool, the Rohloff would kill that aspect, quite effectively
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Best thing about this project, is how relatively cheap it was, and while cool, the Rohloff would kill that aspect, quite effectively
    Unless you have one lying in the shop somewhere

    Yes , they are not cheap
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    I can't wait to take it for a spin. I'll be down for a visit soon.

    It looks long and tall. What's the wheelbase? BB height?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fokof
    Unless you have one lying in the shop somewhere
    Lot's of crap laying about, alas, that is not amongst it
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    Quote Originally Posted by rw420
    It looks long and tall. What's the wheelbase? BB height?
    Yep, she cuts quite a big profile wheelbase, 46" BB height 14.5 Of course, that's approximate, still waiting on bearings which will firm up it's position.
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    WOW Craig, very impressive buddy, looks really good. for the front can't you use a BB mounted derailleur like the XTR M960E? I guess you probably can't for some reason that I just don't know enough about bikes (yet) to be aware of. Can't wait to hear how it works!!!

    BTW, I sent you a PM last week, hoping to hear back from you. thanks!

    (edit) ok, did some reading and realized you need a braze on adapter on the frame to use the E-type BB... And I didn't know until doing that reading that the BB mounted derailleur was the e-type you guys were talking about... but still, theres gotta be probably 5 shops within 30 miles of you up there that could weld one onto your frame... right? If so that seems like the easiest way to go. and for a job that small, and if you do the surface prep, it shouldn't be that expensive.I know a guy here that would do it for me for a 12-pack!
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    Looks familiar.

    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    I've never seen anything like this before!
    I have. Looks familiar. . .



    I built a SuperV 4000 last year with a Rush/Prophet swingarm. Funny thing is, the Prophet swingarm at that time was criticized by a few here. Ah well.

    Nice job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stwilson74
    still, theres gotta be probably 5 shops within 30 miles of you up there that could weld one onto your frame... right? If so that seems like the easiest way to go. and for a job that small, and if you do the surface prep, it shouldn't be that expensive.I know a guy here that would do it for me for a 12-pack!
    Yeah, lot's of issues surrounding that, First off, fabbing something that's precise enough to be in the correct spot, then there's the whole issue of annealing after welding. It's right at the BB so the area takes a lot of stress, last thing I want is the frame cracking If I did all that, then I have to repaint, all adding cost to a low cost project. If it proves to be the sickest thing since sliced bread, I may pursue more options, but at this point, it works as it stands. Now can someone please tell my bearings to hurry up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by az1jeff
    the Prophet swingarm at that time was criticized by a few here.
    Can't recall what the issue was but I'm guessing it was flex? These are flexy, and with a 29 they'll just be more so, but I figured it was worth it just to say I did it. Glad you like it, wish my parts would show, so I could ride it now......
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    I recall. .

    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Can't recall what the issue was but I'm guessing it was flex? These are flexy, and with a 29 they'll just be more so, but I figured it was worth it just to say I did it. Glad you like it, wish my parts would show, so I could ride it now......

    Not long after I posted pictures and details last year (uber v thread p.10-11) when I first modified a super V 4000 with a Rush/Prophet swingarm, rw420 mocked it (noodle) and you questioned the Prophet’s swingarm and it’s “widely discussed” tendency to “wag.” Too cool of a mod to resist even with your Prophet swingarm complaint? It is a unique bike, that’s one of the reasons I built mine last year. But I did it mostly out of neccessity because my original was cracked and wanted to get it fixed up.

    Glad to see someone else building up a super V with a Rush/Prophet swingarm. Now I’m not the only one.

    Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by az1jeff
    Too cool of a mod to resist even with your Prophet swingarm complaint? Glad to see someone else building up a super V with a Rush/Prophet swingarm. Now Iím not the only one.
    I rode a Prophet for a while, but then abandoned the bike due to my love for big wheels. I'd built an uber about that time as well, and it saw little use, despite being a great ride. Yes, the Prophet SA does have a good deal more flex, but yeah, I'll live with it, since it creates a bit of a monster
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    You are an artist!

    Any relation with Da Vinci?

    Keep up that creative work

    Shall i organise an overseas test ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    since it creates a bit of a monster
    I think you'll like the ride. It's not the quickest steer, but it is stable and feels very plush. I still like mine.

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    Mendon's at it again!!!
    That thing is sweet. Makes my want to Leftify my old Delta V!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Best thing about this project, is how relatively cheap it was, and while cool, the Rohloff would kill that aspect, quite effectively
    Yea, your I9 wheels and Formula brakes are pretty cheap stuff Craig

    So, how does the rear end behave under hard cornering?
    I weigh 180lbs+ and have never thought the SA was flexy. Pretty sure it is the main frame that is flexing. I mean look at that thing compared to other XC swingarms. Most are made of noodles in comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yogiprophet
    Yea, your I9 wheels and Formula brakes are pretty cheap stuff Craig
    True, but I already owned them (crappy Hayes El Camino's not Formulas, btw), so their cost is not what I'm considering......

    Okay, got the bearings in yesterday, yipee! Rode it last night, holy @#$%! I've created a monster. Man, what a friggin ride. It's as nice a bike as one could want. The 1X9 works fine, as I expected, I really use the other gears so little, they really had no impact on my ride at all. 70 degree HTA is spot on, stable, confidence inspiring, not too much one way or the other. The travel is bottomless, and yes, I can feel some wag in the back, , but as with the Prophet, it's predictable, and I don't get my panties in a twist about it Weighing in at a respectable 28.36 fully battle ready, I can't think of any reason not to keep riding it. Someone needs to make these, or, it needs some friends out there. If you're willing to shave up a perfectly rideable Super V, it's well worth it. Anyone out in this neck of the woods should feel free to check it out, I'm floored.
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    Looks insane man, glad it turned out well for ya... I wouldn't mind giving it a try on the spare frame I have but... unless the fork fairy poops a lefty with a hub over my house theres no way I can pull it off... oh well, the Uber 26 works great for my area anywho. Enjoy the ride man!

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    How much rear travel are you getting now with this new swing arm? Still using the 7.5x2 air shock?

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    You know Mendon I didn't sell you the rig so you could make it into a 29er. I really don't like 29ers.

    By the way do you have these parts for the bike just lying around? If so kick me down a stem and some new grips. I'm a poor guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    You know Mendon I didn't sell you the rig so you could make it into a 29er. I really don't like 29ers.

    By the way do you have these parts for the bike just lying around? If so kick me down a stem and some new grips. I'm a poor guy.
    How can you not like a wheel size? It's like not liking a 40 pound bag of dog food, but thinking the 25lb one's okay.....

    My guess is you don't like the sanctimonious, zealous, self righteous, "if you're not riding a 29er, you're riding the wrong bike" thought process of some folks?

    29's are a blast, don't want one? Fine by me, we can still ride together

    As for parts, laying about, mmmm, not quite, I have a few bikes that are keepers, and a few more that are transient. I move parts kits from one to the next, so I can play around with different things. But I run a bike shop, so if I didn't have a bunch of bits floating about, what kind of shop would I be? Thanks for the bike though, regardless of what it became, I'd like to think it's happy getting used for something, no?
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    I'm glad you are happy with it.

    I don't like 29ers for a number of reasons but I'm still forming an opinion so those thoughts may change.

    Ride on brother!
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    Anymore riding impressions?

    And how much rear travel are you getting now with this new swing arm? Still using the 7.5x2 air shock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oister
    Anymore riding impressions?

    And how much rear travel are you getting now with this new swing arm? Still using the 7.5x2 air shock?
    Not really, it's a fun rig, and I'm really stoked on how well it runs. I do need to figure out a way to keep the chain in place, as it will drop into the small on more bumpy terrain. Still running the same shock. I haven't measured travel, but based on others, and what the numbers bear out, I'm solidly in the 6" range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Not really, it's a fun rig, and I'm really stoked on how well it runs. I do need to figure out a way to keep the chain in place, as it will drop into the small on more bumpy terrain. Still running the same shock. I haven't measured travel, but based on others, and what the numbers bear out, I'm solidly in the 6" range.
    I guess most BB mount chain guide would work if you are staying 1x9 right? And if you are brace a tab for e-type derailleur, I would highly recommend the Wicked Racin Dualrailleur. I haven't dropped a chain since I got that setup to run 2x9. They have top pull, bottom pull, and etype option. It also comes with a XT M770/771 derailleur.

    Since you already milled out the swing arm attachment point, may be you should go all out and brace on a right angle piece of metal for the etype to attached to. Or run a really long plate that allows you to clamp onto the skinny support beam on the front triangle. In fact...that reminds me of how the brake therapy floating brakes are mounted. You can use the same idea.

    I wonder a little bit what the leverage ratio is as the suspension moves, since the shock is at just an interesting angle. The arm is pushing slight above horizontal, while the shock has to redirect that force in a slightly downward angle. How does the bike feel at different point of the stroke?
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    oh yeah...what about the new NuVinci hub...I see that they are on the QRP catalog now. As a shop, I am sure you can get it cheaper than the MSRP.

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    Mendon - I know this is a old thread but have you thought about an e-type front derailliuer?
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    Yes he did.

    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Yeah, E-Type was my initial thought, but they require a mount point to bolt the plate to, on a seat tube, which isn't there, bummer. Unless I get really creative (Spring is not the time for that...) It'll be 1X9 for the foreseeable future.
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    OK I must have read over that. Tis a shame. I would much prefer a triple setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    Mendon - I know this is a old thread but have you thought about an e-type front derailliuer?
    Yeah, unfortunately it requires a mounting anchor above the BB shell, which I lack. I've shelved it till I can solve the problem, which I will, just not now, in the middle of summer.....

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    triple mount



    When I built my SV 4000 DH last year with a Rush swingarm, I drew this up and had it machined. It was machined from a solid piece of aluminum round bar and the existing chain tension mount which I modified. The rest is simple aluminum angle. It's also slotted for some additional adjustment. The 31.8mm diameter portion where the derailleur physically mounts to is hollow to keep it light most of the way from top down to the reduced diameter taper. There it is solid aluminum and threaded for rigid derailleur mounting and adjustment. All this bolts to the main frame just above the BB using the two existing 6mm threaded holes.

    Because this mount and the derailleur must mount as far forward as possible for swingarm travel clearance, it is necessary I believe, for the shifter cage to be split and a connecting arm fastened. That is what I’m still working on. An arm that is robust enough to move the chain while at the same time allowing enough clearance. The biggest hurdle in this modification is the lack of clearance of the small ring, cage, and the swingarm itself. I’m working on drawing up an I-beam type connecting arm.

    ~jeff
    Last edited by az1jeff; 07-01-2008 at 02:22 AM.

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    So Craig, if I send you my Super V1000 from '95, you can convert it, right?...
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