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    2019 Scalpel-SI with Lefty Ocho

    Hello there,

    I'm on a move from Epic to Scalpel-SI 2019.
    And can't wait....

    Any info regarding the launch date?

    and...

    Do you guys think the rear shock will be Fox Float Performance with 3 positions (manual) or 2 positions (lockout) for high end models? How does it compare with RockShox Monarch XX?

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    I bought my 2018 in September...so I would expect late August.

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    I was able to test ride one of the Cannondale rep's personal Scalpel Si with a Lefty Ocho. His bike was set up with a three position Monarch shock without xloc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnlh View Post
    I was able to test ride one of the Cannondale rep's personal Scalpel Si with a Lefty Ocho. His bike was set up with a three position Monarch shock without xloc.
    and???

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    Team riders are using the Fox shock with remote lockout.

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    Yeah. I just spotted that setup. I rode a 2018 Carbon 4 model with Rockshox Monarch RL with manual lockout (Open/Lock). Needless to say open is really nice. But I found particularly insteresting in the Lock position. The shock blow out when needed. It had almost no diference to a specialized Epic with brain. I was stunned. Really. That's why I'm so curious. I know Fox in lock position, specially the DPS version, is really locked out. I seems that it requerias significantly higher impact to blow out.

    Can't wait the ride it...

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    Xloc with 3 positions looks very interesting. For XCM, I would like a Open/Pedal/Lock choice to ride mostly in Pedal positions.

    How do you guys ride the Scalpel in XCM courses? mostly in the open mode?

    I'm sorry for my curiosity. I came form 5 years on the Epic with brain. I rode Scalpel I found it much more equilibrated. In the Open mode, it had practically no bob, what let me very impressed.

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    2019 Scalpel-SI with Lefty Ocho

    I got a Spark 2018 and I must say the tree position remote lock is awesome. So if you can get one on your Scalpel I would definitely do that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cris_gcmlli View Post

    How do you guys ride the Scalpel in XCM courses? mostly in the open mode?
    I have '17 Scalpel Carbon 2 and mainly ride XCM courses. Suspension is open for the most part, unless I want to sprint or climb. Otherwise it's perfect just the way it is. Why would anyone want a 3 position lockout?



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    Because in locked position on a Technical climb is not possible to climb and if the open setting is like on the spark you bob too much. The middle setting is perfect for this. But it depends really on your ride style and terrain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperGr View Post
    Because in locked position on a Technical climb is not possible to climb and if the open setting is like on the spark you bob too much. The middle setting is perfect for this. But it depends really on your ride style and terrain.


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    It really depends on the course and style, but in my experience if you climb, you want it locked all the way and there is no middle ground

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    Nice to hear that you ride in open position most of the time.

    Indeed, some bikes just bob a lot. Really a lot. Take the Spz Epic and leave the brain fade in open position...not possible. But then, suspension design can minimize that. I'm was so impressed when I first ride the Scalpel. I didn't understand why it didn't bob. At first, I thought shock pressure was too high.. but no!!! As there is almost no Scalpel bikes around me, this place is where I can discuss the point.

    The lefty fork in lock mode will always be free to work within the sag. Right?

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    no...locked is locked..

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    2019 Scalpel-SI with Lefty Ocho

    From my understanding, lefty hybrid had full lockout, lefty 2.0 had firm for the locked position. I have a feeling it would also be firm instead of fully locked for the lefty ocho
    But I've only used the alloy lefty so far, not too sure about the xlr/carbon ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by guidodg View Post
    and???
    Sorry, this was intended as a direct response to the part of the original post asking about possible build specs for the 2019 Scalpel Si. I'm not a tech geek or gear reviewing blogger, but the Lefty Ocho seemed to me to be a sharp looking, smooth functioning front suspension system. It did everything that I would expect a quality fork to do. My issue with Lefty suspension is the lack of reliability and hassle of servicing everything that I owned after my 2012 booted Lefty. For this reason I an not on the market for one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnlh View Post
    My issue with Lefty suspension is the lack of reliability and hassle of servicing everything that I owned after my 2012 booted Lefty. For this reason I an not on the market for one.
    This is why I bought my '18 Scalpel Si Carbon 2 with the Sid. I considered the Carbon 1, but have heard the same as you about reliability. I have a 12' Flash Carbon with '12 XLR Carbon and it works well. Never had an issue with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnlh View Post
    Sorry, this was intended as a direct response to the part of the original post asking about possible build specs for the 2019 Scalpel Si. I'm not a tech geek or gear reviewing blogger, but the Lefty Ocho seemed to me to be a sharp looking, smooth functioning front suspension system. It did everything that I would expect a quality fork to do. My issue with Lefty suspension is the lack of reliability and hassle of servicing everything that I owned after my 2012 booted Lefty. For this reason I an not on the market for one.
    thanks John

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash29r View Post
    This is why I bought my '18 Scalpel Si Carbon 2 with the Sid. I considered the Carbon 1, but have heard the same as you about reliability. I have a 12' Flash Carbon with '12 XLR Carbon and it works well. Never had an issue with it.
    I bought the same bike a few weeks ago. Aside from having to re-bleed the sprint lock after a few rides, I have been very happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnlh View Post
    I was able to test ride one of the Cannondale rep's personal Scalpel Si with a Lefty Ocho. His bike was set up with a three position Monarch shock without xloc.
    sure it wasn't the new rockshox deluxe rl? that has wire and not xx. i can atleast not find monarch without xloc for remote lock

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    I heard the 2019 models are showing up on the dealer site today. Anyone have specs or pictures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by norty_mtb View Post
    I heard the 2019 models are showing up on the dealer site today. Anyone have specs or pictures?
    They are on dealer site. X01 model appears to be shipping next week. Team replica says October

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    Quote Originally Posted by trauma-md View Post
    They are on dealer site. X01 model appears to be shipping next week. Team replica says October
    WC model comes with Fox rear shock that is mechanically activated. No need for bleeding the hydraulics any more. Standard tapered steerer - can use standard stems. New 525 Enve wheels.

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    Shame it didnít get a new slacker frame like the New Fsi

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    http://www.bikecafe.org/prodotto/cannondale-scalpel-si-carbon-4-2019/

    www.bikecafe.org has the 2019 scalpels
    The 2 looks mint
    4 looks affordable 😉
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    https://www.cannondale.com/en/Europe/Products/ProductCategory.aspx?nid=3ff3dce5-257c-


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    Reckon they'll kill of the Scalpel SE for 2019?

    That was the most versatile bike in their lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howards View Post
    Reckon they'll kill of the Scalpel SE for 2019?

    That was the most versatile bike in their lineup.
    Not killed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by trauma-md View Post
    Not killed.


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    Took my Scalpel Ocho on a 50k trail ride today. This may be the best bike I have ever ridden. Cannondale improved it exactly as they should and the result is extremely fun bike to ride that is stiff, stable and controllable. Climbs like a boss especially technical climbs. Eats small to medium bumps with authority. This bike is everything itís hyped to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Took my Scalpel Ocho on a 50k trail ride today. This may be the best bike I have ever ridden. Cannondale improved it exactly as they should and the result is extremely fun bike to ride that is stiff, stable and controllable. Climbs like a boss especially technical climbs. Eats small to medium bumps with authority. This bike is everything itís hyped to be.
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    Is that black and neon yellow? With the lighting in that pic it looks like dark green which would be kinda cool if it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash29r View Post
    Is that black and neon yellow? With the lighting in that pic it looks like dark green which would be kinda cool if it was.

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    Its not black. Itís dark green/gray. Much better looking in person than in pics
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Its not black. Itís dark green/gray. Much better looking in person than in pics
    Iím assuming thatís the Carbon 4 in the acid green colour considering that the rear shock is wihout a remote?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow4eva View Post
    Iím assuming thatís the Carbon 4 in the acid green colour considering that the rear shock is wihout a remote?


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    This is the Team version. Rear shock is Fox with remote lockout
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    This is the Team version. Rear shock is Fox with remote lockout
    Oh, my bad, couldnít see the cable housing. That is one sleek looking bike btw!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash29r View Post
    This is why I bought my '18 Scalpel Si Carbon 2 with the Sid. I considered the Carbon 1, but have heard the same as you about reliability. I have a 12' Flash Carbon with '12 XLR Carbon and it works well. Never had an issue with it.
    Version 2.0 of the lefty fork is as reliable as any fork. As a matter of fact - on my 2018 Scalpel Si - it felt better than Sid XX on my Epic S-Works. I raced it full season without a single hitch. New Ocho is even better. It is negligibly heavier than the Fox SC but stiffer and smoother. I think itís one of the best forks on the market right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow4eva View Post
    Oh, my bad, couldnít see the cable housing. That is one sleek looking bike btw!


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    Yes it is. I still have the 2018 S-Works Epic and can compare them side by side. New Scalpel just might be the best bike I have ever ridden
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    Really nice bike thanks for all that info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Yes it is. I still have the 2018 S-Works Epic and can compare them side by side. New Scalpel just might be the best bike I have ever ridden
    Ah, the hose was routed in a more stealthy manner, no wonder I did not notice it. The pictures from cannondale europe show the hose being more exposed, hence my mistaken assumption.
    I feel like selling my Habit now to make way for a scalpel!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    Really nice bike thanks for all that info!
    First ride quick report:

    Just finished a 50k ride. Oh my Ocho. The weight of this bike is in the ball park with (in my opinion) one of the best ever - the Epic. Iíve had an opportunity to ride both. For extended period of time. With all the improvements that Cannondale made to this bike, it might be the best bike I have ever ridden. Active suspension allows bike to roll forward, eliminating that bouncy feel that stiffer FS bikes bring with them. Spesh Brain needs a hit before it releases. Small bump sensitivity is not there. With new Scalpel the bike rolls forward eating all these small and medium bumps like they are not there, while Ocho fork keeps the front wheel firmly on the ground and in control. This is particularly obvious going up the technical hills. Allows me to stay in the saddle and hammer. Exactly what I need. The ride started with a very rocky and very tight section. I was tentative for 20 seconds and then I just let it go. It was awesome. The control, the stiffness, the traction. Bike was as responsive as anything Iíve ridden in the past but I could hit roots and rocks at higher speed and with more control. I will have the full review soon - but let me say it one more time: OH MY OCHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow4eva View Post
    Ah, the hose was routed in a more stealthy manner, no wonder I did not notice it. The pictures from cannondale europe show the hose being more exposed, hence my mistaken assumption.
    I feel like selling my Habit now to make way for a scalpel!!


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    Two different bikes... both excellent for intended purpose... but the Scalpel is something else for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Two different bikes... both excellent for intended purpose... but the Scalpel is something else for sure

    Yeah, but with the inherent design problems of the habit (barely covered bearings, etc), I am thinking of going enduro and getting the scalpel as a 2nd bike.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow4eva View Post
    Yeah, but with the inherent design problems of the habit (barely covered bearings, etc), I am thinking of going enduro and getting the scalpel as a 2nd bike.


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    Thatíd be a killer combo for sure.

    I have these two now though my S-Works is 2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    First ride quick report:

    Just finished a 50k ride. Oh my Ocho. The weight of this bike is in the ball park with (in my opinion) one of the best ever - the Epic. Iíve had an opportunity to ride both. For extended period of time. With all the improvements that Cannondale made to this bike, it might be the best bike I have ever ridden. Active suspension allows bike to roll forward, eliminating that bouncy feel that stiffer FS bikes bring with them. Spesh Brain needs a hit before it releases. Small bump sensitivity is not there. With new Scalpel the bike rolls forward eating all these small and medium bumps like they are not there, while Ocho fork keeps the front wheel firmly on the ground and in control. This is particularly obvious going up the technical hills. Allows me to stay in the saddle and hammer. Exactly what I need. The ride started with a very rocky and very tight section. I was tentative for 20 seconds and then I just let it go. It was awesome. The control, the stiffness, the traction. Bike was as responsive as anything Iíve ridden in the past but I could hit roots and rocks at higher speed and with more control. I will have the full review soon - but let me say it one more time: OH MY OCHO

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    Good information. Thanks. I have a brand new 2018 Scalpel Si 4 and LOVE it. Its my first Cannondale and my first Lefty and after 21 years of riding its by far the smoothest riding bike and fork I've ever ridden.

    Am I upset I didn't get the Ocho? Yes, a little. But the 2.0 is still a great fork. I plan to ride this bike for a LONG time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AGrant View Post
    Good information. Thanks. I have a brand new 2018 Scalpel Si 4 and LOVE it. Its my first Cannondale and my first Lefty and after 21 years of riding its by far the smoothest riding bike and fork I've ever ridden.

    Am I upset I didn't get the Ocho? Yes, a little. But the 2.0 is still a great fork. I plan to ride this bike for a LONG time!
    I agree 2.0 is a great fork. Nothing on the market is smoother and stiffer than the Lefty right now
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    The NEW 2019 Scalpel SE is on the cannondale USA website, itís in with the other Scalpels.
    Shame the geometry didnít get a redesign to match bikes like the SB100 or ORBEA Ozi ó- longer reach and a steeper seat tube is all it needed for me to buy one instead of the SB100, as Iím sure it would out climb the SB100. But Iím concerned with the 72 degree seat tube
    Anyone got one?

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    I hate to ask the bike sizing question but looking to go with a new Cannondale Scalpel SI and it's very hard for me to tell whether to go Large or XL. I would love to find a local dealer but the old model is sold out and obviously the new one is not in stock yet. I'm 6'1" with a 35" inseam which jacks the seatpost way up... Anyone out there in a similar situation that can provide some guidance??? thank you in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpastore22 View Post
    I hate to ask the bike sizing question but looking to go with a new Cannondale Scalpel SI and it's very hard for me to tell whether to go Large or XL. I would love to find a local dealer but the old model is sold out and obviously the new one is not in stock yet. I'm 6'1" with a 35" inseam which jacks the seatpost way up... Anyone out there in a similar situation that can provide some guidance??? thank you in advance!
    I am 6í with 32Ē inseam. Large is perfect for me. Comes with 90mm stem and 0 setback seatpost. Iíll ping my contact for advice on your inquiry
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpastore22 View Post
    I hate to ask the bike sizing question but looking to go with a new Cannondale Scalpel SI and it's very hard for me to tell whether to go Large or XL. I would love to find a local dealer but the old model is sold out and obviously the new one is not in stock yet. I'm 6'1" with a 35" inseam which jacks the seatpost way up... Anyone out there in a similar situation that can provide some guidance??? thank you in advance!
    Based on his educated guess - you are probably just in between, but suggestion is still Large. I tend do agree. With 110mm stem, 760mm wide bar and enough seatpost - L would give you killer nimble handling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    I am 6í with 32Ē inseam. Large is perfect for me. Comes with 90mm stem and 0 setback seatpost. Iíll ping my contact for advice on your inquiry
    I appreciate the quick feedback. Unfortunately, the different between 32" and 35" inseam is substantially different... Please let me know what advice your contact has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Based on his educated guess - you are probably just in between, but suggestion is still Large. I tend do agree. With 110mm stem, 760mm wide bar and enough seatpost - L would give you killer nimble handling.
    Thank your for the quick turnaround! I am leaning towards Large but hope to hear from anyone else that has has a similar dilemma.

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    I would go XL with such a long inseam...and I would never put a 110mm stem on the Scalpel in size L since it will make handling quite nervous..

    Stick with an XL and standard stem

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    Quote Originally Posted by guidodg View Post
    I would go XL with such a long inseam...and I would never put a 110mm stem on the Scalpel in size L since it will make handling quite nervous..

    Stick with an XL and standard stem
    I agree. Go XL. I have a friend who is 6'1" on an xl.

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    Any actual weights on the World Cup?

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    I'm 191cm and bought L. After a few rides I decided that XL would be better for me. L is bearable with 100mm 20 * stem and almost fully extracted seatpost. But it's scary to ride downhill, I have a feeling bike wants to throw me over the handlebars ...

    Sold it to my friend, he is 182cm.

    And I'm not quite happy with Lefty 2.0 performance. Had to fine tune telescope / bushing / damper ... Excessive friction + fork packs down after rebound when it's in 'locked' mode. Took me MONTHS to wait untill work done. Had to pay for this from my own pocket.

    Cannondale support in Russia is almost non existent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    First ride quick report:

    Just finished a 50k ride. Oh my Ocho. The weight of this bike is in the ball park with (in my opinion) one of the best ever - the Epic. Iíve had an opportunity to ride both. For extended period of time. With all the improvements that Cannondale made to this bike, it might be the best bike I have ever ridden. Active suspension allows bike to roll forward, eliminating that bouncy feel that stiffer FS bikes bring with them. Spesh Brain needs a hit before it releases. Small bump sensitivity is not there. With new Scalpel the bike rolls forward eating all these small and medium bumps like they are not there, while Ocho fork keeps the front wheel firmly on the ground and in control. This is particularly obvious going up the technical hills. Allows me to stay in the saddle and hammer. Exactly what I need. The ride started with a very rocky and very tight section. I was tentative for 20 seconds and then I just let it go. It was awesome. The control, the stiffness, the traction. Bike was as responsive as anything Iíve ridden in the past but I could hit roots and rocks at higher speed and with more control. I will have the full review soon - but let me say it one more time: OH MY OCHO

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    Does fox shock performs better than the rockshox in the 2017-2018 models?

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Thatíd be a killer combo for sure.

    I have these two now though my S-Works is 2018

    Any info on the weight of that setup you tested??
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    Quote Originally Posted by portobear14 View Post
    Any info on the weight of that setup you tested??
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Yes it is. I still have the 2018 S-Works Epic and can compare them side by side. New Scalpel just might be the best bike I have ever ridden
    Does the shock cable housing hit/rub the frame when the shock is compressed? Looks like the housing would rub where it enters the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norty_mtb View Post
    Does the shock cable housing hit/rub the frame when the shock is compressed? Looks like the housing would rub where it enters the frame.
    I was thinking about it as well, and put some 3M film on the shock bit it is not rubbing nor making any rattling sound
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    Any updates on delivery dates for the WC?

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    WC should be available the end of October. I took delivery on my HM 1 Friday. Headed out now to test it.
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    All finished. Gotta say the Ocho is most definitely more light rider friendly. Was always difficult to get Lefty set up just right for me (135lbs). Took out volume spacers, lighter oil. Just couldnít get the right mix of small and large bump performance. Ocho is much easier to dial for both now. Just incredible upgrade in performance over the <8 leftys.




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    Quote Originally Posted by trauma-md View Post
    All finished. Gotta say the Ocho is most definitely more light rider friendly. Was always difficult to get Lefty set up just right for me (135lbs). Took out volume spacers, lighter oil. Just couldnít get the right mix of small and large bump performance. Ocho is much easier to dial for both now. Just incredible upgrade in performance over the <8 leftys.




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    Great looking bike you have there! The black with silver decals is one of my favorite colour schemes.

    Do you have a weight of the complete build including pedals? Im on an FSi at the moment and considering the 2019 Scalpel for next year (waiting for XTR builds though). Hoping the weight penalty isn't too great.

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    I've just ordered a HM1, love the black/chrome. Would be great to know the weight (stock trauma-md) and upgraded with hollowgram/enve (daveinaus).

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie_yeti View Post
    I've just ordered a HM1, love the black/chrome. Would be great to know the weight (stock trauma-md) and upgraded with hollowgram/enve (daveinaus).
    Hollowgram/Enve XX1 build: 22.06lbs

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    Soon to be Cannondale owner

    Hi Folks,
    Iím new to this forum. Hello!!!! I usually ride on the roads with a carbon recumbent....
    Due to the extreme heat this summer I have started mountain biking with my ?1995 Schwinn Moab hardtail. Due to my advanced age, 57, I decided to get a more comfortable performance XC bike. I chose the Scalpel carbon 4. It is on order and I should get delivery later this week. I am really enjoying the mountain biking and looking forward to a smoother bike that still climbs. Thank you for all the information on these forums.

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    I'm having a difficult time finding US pricing online for the 2019 Scalpels. Any suggestion?

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    Great choice! Such a great bike.

    @ToastR. The US website is the only Cannondale website that does list price.
    https://www.cannondale.com/en/USA/Pr...4-3e92b71c19d0

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    Thank you Aussie_yeti.
    Hopefully years of enjoyable riding with no mechanical issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie_yeti View Post

    @ToastR. The US website is the only Cannondale website that does list price.
    https://www.cannondale.com/en/USA/Pr...4-3e92b71c19d0
    Thanks!
    For some reason - on my phone - the US site wasn't showing pricing. Weird. Thanks for the link!

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    Has anyone had Q-factor issues when using the custom ai sram / truvativ cranks on their scalpel? One reviewer elsewhere found it a big issue.

    I've ordered an 2019 carbon 4 that is due within ten(ish) days as far as we know and i was just wondering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJSnow View Post
    Hi Folks,
    Iím new to this forum. Hello!!!! I usually ride on the roads with a carbon recumbent....
    Due to the extreme heat this summer I have started mountain biking with my ?1995 Schwinn Moab hardtail. Due to my advanced age, 57, I decided to get a more comfortable performance XC bike. I chose the Scalpel carbon 4. It is on order and I should get delivery later this week. I am really enjoying the mountain biking and looking forward to a smoother bike that still climbs. Thank you for all the information on these forums.
    Nice choice!!! Enjoy the new ride!

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    Thank you Tgoods!
    Picking her up today!
    Very Excited.
    Iím looking forward to hearing your thoughts Adelaide on your new Carbon 4.
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    After spending some time with my new Cannondale Scalpel WC Hi-Mod I can now articulate a few observations for those who are wondering what all the buzz is about.

    It is different. The first reaction after seeing Ocho lefty fork was: Whaaa? Then the mandatory visual check of the fork and the rest of the bike started, followed by the weight check by lifting it off the ground. Wow, the first feeling was Ė this is light. It indeed is light, but more importantly, it is now well balanced. In my previous lives I was privileged to own many high end bikes, including few manufacturing years of Specialized Epic S-Works, which I considered one of the best XC racing bikes ever, as well as 2018 Scalpel Si Team Ė the predecessor to this new Scalpel with Ocho fork. I had a few items on the wish list for the 2018 Scalpel to improve on. And then came the Ocho. And that was just the beginning. It was uncanny to see all the good changes that Cannondale executed on this bike. Every wish I had for this bike, was granted Ė and then some.

    Ocho fork shaved some 250g off the weight of the Lefty 2.0, losing none of itís stiffness and smoothness. This is exactly what the doctor prescribed. On the trails bike now feels more balanced, surefooted and stable. It tracks corners with more authority and eats up small bumps like no other bike. Handlebar is positioned low enough, right out of the box and makes climbing and cornering more natural, even without stem replacement. Speaking of stem Ė it is a standard stem now. One can use any standard stem available on the market. Thatís awesome Ė as customizing the bike to oneís liking is now easier than ever. But really, there is no need to replace the stem. Cannondale stem is light Ė 110g for 90mm. Lighter than, say, Enve at 100mm (120g). Yes Ė I tried Enve 100mm to extend the cockpit, as I thought that it was a bit too short out of the box (cockpit is about 7cm shorter than my ďstandardĒ setup). I lowered the bar by about 2cm and extended the stem by 1cm to 100mm. On the following ride I felt that bike lost a bit of itís smoothness and become just a bit jerky in corners. 90mm stem went back on and handlebar went up by 5mm (one spacer was moved back on the steerer). Being just slightly more upright with body position Ė yields better control, smoother cornering and more stability going down the hill. Hint Ė I would be very cautious to extend the stem again Ė it will change the steering Ė in my opinion for the worse.

    Rear shock, thank you Sant:
    Fox Float Factory DPS with Kashima coating. Mechanical lockout, together with the fork. When it suspension is locked, it feels definite and exact. Way better feeling and effectiveness compared to hydraulic lockout. The shock works well, with signature Fox characteristics Ė smooth and easily adjustable. It is easy to fine tune front and rear end to work in sync and feel balanced. Pedaling up the hill did not feel mushy and suspension remained active on technical rooty or rocky ascents, as well as smooth and in control on any descent. Both front and rear end ate small bumps with ease. I am yet to ride a fork that is better at small bump compliance. Ocho is the buzz of the crowd.

    Some MTB riders still have impression that Lefty forks are unreliable and require a lot of maintenance. I can not speak of versions prior to Lefty 2.0, but Lefty 2.0 gave me reliable performance during the full season, without a single glitch. With needle bearings handling the movement Ė this fork is silky smooth and very adjustable. Ocho felt the same and better Ė due to less weight. Another great change for the better is Schrader valve that has been angled to the side Ė so that it is much easier to use shock pump to adjust the pressure in the fork, compared to the previous design where it was facing the ground and it was not that easy to thread the pump to it.

    One of the issues in the past was the front wheel removal Ė where it was required to remove brake caliper in order to release the brake disc before the wheel could be removed. This process required removal of 2 bolts. No more. New ďStop-LockĒ quick release requires only press of the button and 180 degrees turn with the alan key Ė and caliper is off in a heartbeat, as well as the wheel. Excellent upgrade.

    New Enve 525 wheels are a bit lighter than their predecessor M50, but feel quite livelier accelerating out of the corner. They are dressed up in new Schwalbe Racing Ray Ė front specific tire and new Racing Ralph in the back. Schwalbe also addressed big issues with their side knob flexibility and cracking, making side knobs laterally longer and less tall. First impression of this tire combo is excellent and kudos to Cannondale for implementing this combo on their top of the line bike.

    Cannondale 760mm wide bar is impressive and this time I am not shortening it. Love the feeling of the wide bar and it really feels like it needs to be that wide in order to shred the course on this bike at maximum speed. Except at Hardwood. Yes, THOSE two trees.

    The sum of all these small and big improvements, and previously proven technology yielded the bike that may very well be the best bike I have ever ridden. It is truly #builtforxxc. Extreme Cross Country. Quite capable in the most technical sections of the trail but equally as fun going down the buffed singletrack or climbing gnarly climbs. It is very nimble and handles tight singletrack with great maneuverability. Going down fast was inducing stupid grin on my face. While on vacation without it Ė I couldnít wait to ride it again.

    In size Large, and with light pedals Ė this bike tilts the scale at 22.5 pounds, stock. This is on par with my previous favourite Ė Specialized Epic S-Works. Scalpel can do everything that Epic can do, but it feels like it is more fun. While Epic is fast, it is also on the harsh side. Nothing is harsh about Scalpel demeanor. Instead of requiring a good hit to release the shock (Epic), Scalpel just eats them without a sweat and keeps going forward, without that speed reducing harshness and vertical movement.

    With the green/dark gray colour scheme Ė Scalpel WC looks gorgeous and is a definite attention grabber. Taking everything into account, it is my current favourite and well deserving of all the buzz out there. Scalpel WC Hi-Mod is a game changer. But donít believe me. Go and demo one ASAP. If you are lucky enough to find one.
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    Great review! Curious about your time on the 2.0. Did you ever try to fine tune it by taking out a volume reducer for better small bump sensitivity? How often did you do bearing resets? Have you had to do resets on the Ocho? Can you compare the rear Fox shock with the Monarch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jschoef View Post
    Great review! Curious about your time on the 2.0. Did you ever try to fine tune it by taking out a volume reducer for better small bump sensitivity? How often did you do bearing resets? Have you had to do resets on the Ocho? Can you compare the rear Fox shock with the Monarch?
    for better small bump sensitivity you need to add a volume reducer, not take one out....this will allow you to use a lower pressure and make the spring rate more progressive and less linear

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    Quote Originally Posted by GJSnow View Post
    Thank you Tgoods!
    Picking her up today!
    Very Excited.
    Iím looking forward to hearing your thoughts Adelaide on your new Carbon 4.
    GJSnow
    I'm looking forward to mine too - they are supposed to arrive late in Australia even though the new Jekyls ect... have arrived. Apparently the scalpels (or mine at least) and i guess the FSIs arrive on the 26th

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    Carbon 4

    anyone had much time on a carbon 4? any thoughts / impressions?

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    Hi Adelaide and all,
    I received my Carbon 4 about two weeks or so. Remember, Iím coming out of a 20 year old HT Schwinn Moab with 26 tires. Iím not an experienced mountain rider. Iíve switched this year due to the heat during the summer making the roads intolerable..
    The new bike feels bigger but still inspires confidence. It is as smooth as silk and most notably, seems to climb better. I am able to spend more time in the seat compared to the HT due to the rear suspension. Almost never use or need the front lockout. On my maiden voyage, on an easy single track with virtually no obstacles and relatively flat, I flew over the handlebars! Just minor wrist soreness thankfully. I looked at the ground after landing and there was nothing! I was moving along at a good pace. Could I have locked the front brake? A hidden stump?? Donít know. Iím much more aware now and I really try to balance myself better. Iím 57, but thatís no excuse. (LOL).
    The fit and finish on the bike is excellent. The only issue other than the novice rider, is a squeak coming from the front hub which I will bring back to the local bike shop this week.
    Iím enjoying the ride greatly. The type of exercise is much different than rode biking. More short bursts of intense exercise on the climbs. It is a thrill!!
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    Pardon my spelling!!!!!! Rode??? Road!!!
    Sorry
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    The squeak is usually just a plastic washer which is a seal rubbing the bearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jschoef View Post
    The squeak is usually just a plastic washer which is a seal rubbing the bearing.
    And it went away on mine
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    has anyone tried externally routing a dropper to a scalpel and if so - how

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    Quote Originally Posted by (R)AdelaideXC View Post
    has anyone tried externally routing a dropper to a scalpel and if so - how
    Why would you? Not hard to do internal at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash29r View Post
    Why would you? Not hard to do internal at all.
    i like switching between dropper and static quickly as some of Adelaide's race courses do not need droppers (they can even get in the way)

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    Quote Originally Posted by (R)AdelaideXC View Post
    has anyone tried externally routing a dropper to a scalpel and if so - how
    I suppose this might work?
    https://www.jensonusa.com/Problem-So...n-Cable-Guides


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    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/rocksh...st-reverb.html

    Surely this will be out around Sea Otter next year. Maybe just live without for half a year then buy this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie_yeti View Post
    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/rocksh...st-reverb.html

    Surely this will be out around Sea Otter next year. Maybe just live without for half a year then buy this?
    that is a good thought but i already have a reverb. i'm just not sure whether to rout via the tt or the dt and up the st.

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    Wondering if C'Dale are going to release any XTR 1x12 builds for 2019? Otherwise I might just wait until next year for the 2020 models and a (potentially) updated frame geo.

    Happy with the FSi for the time being but wanting to go full squish in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveinaus View Post
    Wondering if C'Dale are going to release any XTR 1x12 builds for 2019? Otherwise I might just wait until next year for the 2020 models and a (potentially) updated frame geo.

    Happy with the FSi for the time being but wanting to go full squish in the future.

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    From what I know, all Scalpel-Si this year come with SRAM eagle groupsets, the lower end models are getting the NX if Iím not mistaken.


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    Quote Originally Posted by daveinaus View Post
    Wondering if C'Dale are going to release any XTR 1x12 builds for 2019? Otherwise I might just wait until next year for the 2020 models and a (potentially) updated frame geo.

    Happy with the FSi for the time being but wanting to go full squish in the future.

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    You are not giving up anything with the SRAM Eagle groups. My '18 Carbon 2 has Eagle XO1 and it works awesome. I wouldn't look at it as a down grade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash29r View Post
    You are not giving up anything with the SRAM Eagle groups. My '18 Carbon 2 has Eagle XO1 and it works awesome. I wouldn't look at it as a down grade.
    It absolutely is not a downgrade. Itís better than the fishing equipment manufacturer product
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    It absolutely is not a downgrade. Itís better than the fishing equipment manufacturer product
    That is my feeling as well! Only thing I don't like about my Carbon 2 is the SID fork. I think my '12 XLR Carbon Lefty is more plush than the SID.
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    Ok, doesn't really answer my question though. Not sure how you can judge a groupset you haven't ridden either. It appears to be good enough for C'Dales world cup riders. Pretty sure Avancini just won the XCM World Champs on an XTR 1x12 equipped Scalpel Si.

    Anyway, wasn't supposed to be a Sram vs Shimano debate. It seems Avancini, Marotte and Fumic are all riding the XTR 1x12 groupset but it's not actually offered on any of their 2019 builds. Makes me think that it might be offered as a "mid season " update to the range at some point once availability from Shimano has been sorted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveinaus View Post

    Anyway, wasn't supposed to be a Sram vs Shimano debate. It seems Avancini, Marotte and Fumic are all riding the XTR 1x12 groupset but it's not actually offered on any of their 2019 builds. Makes me think that it might be offered as a "mid season " update to the range at some point once availability from Shimano has been sorted out.

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    They are using it more than likely because Shimano is just this seasons sponsor. They were using Eagle stuff last season. Hopefully they will come out with a model that suits your needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daveinaus View Post
    Ok, doesn't really answer my question though. Not sure how you can judge a groupset you haven't ridden either. It appears to be good enough for C'Dales world cup riders. Pretty sure Avancini just won the XCM World Champs on an XTR 1x12 equipped Scalpel Si.
    There will be a limited edition XTR 1x12 Scalpel released this fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash29r View Post
    That is my feeling as well! Only thing I don't like about my Carbon 2 is the SID fork. I think my '12 XLR Carbon Lefty is more plush than the SID.
    Anything is more plush than the SID
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash29r View Post
    They are using it more than likely because Shimano is just this seasons sponsor. They were using Eagle stuff last season. Hopefully they will come out with a model that suits your needs.
    Exactly. Both are totally fine but I prefer SRAM any day or night. Never let me down. And eTap is awesome. But that is another boardís topic

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    Awesome! Thanks for the reply, now I just need to pray the importer bothers to bring them Australia I spy a 12spd compatible spidering on that build as well...

    Where'd that screen grab come from though? Can't see it on the C'Dale website.

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    There will be a limited edition XTR 1x12 Scalpel released this fall.


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    Haha, alright alright I get it you love SRAM. Ill tell you what, if you pitch in say 50% of the asking price for the World Cup spec. build then I'll relent and go with the Eagle group set instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveinaus View Post
    Haha, alright alright I get it you love SRAM. Ill tell you what, if you pitch in say 50% of the asking price for the World Cup spec. build then I'll relent and go with the Eagle group set instead.


    Just like mine?
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    Sure! Ill take it of your hands for USD5000 tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveinaus View Post
    Sure! Ill take it of your hands for USD5000 tomorrow
    Maybe when I get my FSi WC in December. Actually no. Iíll keep both...
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    Good answer! I doubt I would sell my FSi either. It's just too good to part ways with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveinaus View Post
    Awesome! Thanks for the reply, now I just need to pray the importer bothers to bring them Australia I spy a 12spd compatible spidering on that build as well...

    Where'd that screen grab come from though? Can't see it on the C'Dale website.





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    Scalpels have landed in Australia - mine arrives in Adelaide from the distributor on Thursday but i don't know about the new xtr build.

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    I would like to know when the scalpel is going boost? Then the wheels would be swappable between the fsi and scalpel

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupps5 View Post
    I would like to know when the scalpel is going boost? Then the wheels would be swappable between the fsi and scalpel

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    Yeah I was wondering the same... shame that I can not do it now
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    Quote Originally Posted by (R)AdelaideXC View Post
    Scalpels have landed in Australia - mine arrives in Adelaide from the distributor on Thursday but i don't know about the new xtr build.
    Do you know that they have Scalpel Si carbon 1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scalpel226 View Post
    Do you know that they have Scalpel Si carbon 1?
    Sorry i don't - i do know that the only xl carbon 4 has arrived and i guess all the others should have
    your local c'dale dealer should know

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    Quote Originally Posted by (R)AdelaideXC View Post
    Sorry i don't - i do know that the only xl carbon 4 has arrived and i guess all the others should have
    your local c'dale dealer should know
    Thanks mate! Post some pics of your new bike later on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post


    Just like mine?
    How come I'm seeing some of the new Scalpel's with the rear shock mounted backwards? Can it be mounted in either direction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post
    How come I'm seeing some of the new Scalpel's with the rear shock mounted backwards? Can it be mounted in either direction?
    Yes it can. This direction makes more sense. Look at WC scalpels. Same as this.
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    Maybe has to do with whether remote lockout is in use. More exposed cable if body end attached to ST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToastR View Post
    Maybe has to do with whether remote lockout is in use. More exposed cable if body end attached to ST.
    I like it this way better. Much easier to access the rebound dial
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    I like it this way better. Much easier to access the rebound dial
    Your approach (the way yours is in the pic) def looks cleaner/sleeker

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    Cool....thx

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    Hey guys, qq from a newbie...thinking of investing in the fall xtr edition but got two concerns...1. The hollowgram wheel set seems too light/ narrow and flex for my 84kgs of love muscle, had been hooking for the Enve's (but they're only on the wc edition). This would be my one bike, so needs to be able to cope with a bit of trail and some rougher stuff vs pure xc.Thoughts or experiences with the wheel set, weight, longevity, issues...? 2. Any strong views on the cannondale hollowgram crank/ chain ring combo with rest of XTR? Would have expected full xtr drivetrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamullerman View Post
    Hey guys, qq from a newbie...thinking of investing in the fall xtr edition but got two concerns...1. The hollowgram wheel set seems too light/ narrow and flex for my 84kgs of love muscle, had been hooking for the Enve's (but they're only on the wc edition). This would be my one bike, so needs to be able to cope with a bit of trail and some rougher stuff vs pure xc.Thoughts or experiences with the wheel set, weight, longevity, issues...? 2. Any strong views on the cannondale hollowgram crank/ chain ring combo with rest of XTR? Would have expected full xtr drivetrain.
    I do not have any experience with the wheels but the cranks are the same as i have on my road bike and they are super stiff and really light. In effect they are equal to or better than the xtr cranks. It probably hasn't been stocked with the xtr cranks because they have not been made to fit the AI chainstays.

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    I weigh 175 at my heaviest and ride Crest MK3 with 23 Internal Width and I dont have a problem. I would think the Hollowgram are stiffer being carbon.

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    cheers (R), think the crank "non-issue" is resolved. undecided about the wheelset- had some feedback that they're quite a lot more flexible than the enve'sÖÖ.Anyway, 1st world problems

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    cheers, good input

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    Just finished building my scalpel 4
    Very happy.
    Looks black in the pics but is actually a grey/ black gloss finish.
    Very nice.
    Yes itís not standard,just took the groupset and wheels across from my previous scalpel.
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    I just came off a 2018 with M50 Enves to a 2019 Carbon 1 with Hollowgrams. I'm 73kg and do not notice a difference with the Hollowgrams on some pretty rough terrain(just finished Marji Gesick). That being said the 2018 has narrower rims than the new WC has, which I have not ridden. I just couldn't justify the added expense for the WC. I did put the 54t star ratchet upgrade into the Hollowgram set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scalpel226 View Post
    Damn! That is hot. Lefty Ocho doesnt seem to be available for purchase yet though. Would be a shame to build it up with a conventional fork

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveinaus View Post
    Damn! That is hot. Lefty Ocho doesnt seem to be available for purchase yet though. Would be a shame to build it up with a conventional fork
    Yes it would
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    Carbon 4 First (and second) ride review

    Hi all,

    I received my carbon 4 on Friday last week after a bit of a bungle by Monza Imports and I love it. The guys in the bike store were just about foaming at the mouth looking at it.
    On the first ride of mainly XC and flow single track with some bitumen and a teeny bit of gravel i realized just how good this thing pedals, i only found myself reaching for the rear lockout when things got sloggy. I found the recommended shock settings just about right for the rear shock although i prefer it a little harder. I also really like the lefty - it is a great improvement to what was on my previous bike, silky smooth and i found it tracked really well. I did find the recommended pressure setting to be about 40psi too soft giving me about 45% sag and making me bottom out on a smallish 1m high - high speed drop - i soon pumped it up to 150psi (25% sag) and have had no problems. I find having only front lockout great as it allows for grip at the rear but keeps the front end stable when standing climbing. I also did not notice the missing stanchion.
    This bike really shreds, I was getting strava PRs galore whilst not pushing it that hard. I rarely wanted to put a dropper post in as compared with my previous Spark as it never seemed to want to buck me off like I was used to. And, to top it all off it this bike is really agile.
    The second ride I did today - a mix of fire tracks and yellow roads as well as some single track totaling nearly 40km with 730mrs elevation. I really appreciated the ability to carry two bottles as it is starting to warm up here in South Australia slightly (around 26-28 degrees - not hot at all as we get up to 45degrees in full summer - we are only in spring) but it was very sunny (the sun is strong here) so it made for a bit of a slog. I do find it a bit of a tight fit with a 550ml bottle on the seat tube mount with the bottle just fitting under the linkage/shock. I was not able to push the bike much because i was nearly hunger flatting and nursing a sprained (maybe slightly fractured) wrist but was able to appreciate this bike's climbing ability amidst all my suffering.
    Now onto the drivetrain. This is the first bike i have ridden with sram and also with 1x. I did find the shifting of the NX pod to GX mech to NX cassette to be quite crisp but there were some small issues with accuracy. I didn't expect 1x to be quite so indiferent from 2x. I did not find myself searching for gears like i had feared or running out of range. the key benefit to 1x i felt was purely the better chain security, especially with the MRP guide that is fitted to just about any 1x bike that gets itself shipped to Australia due to an ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Comission) ruling that all bikes imported must have a front derailleur or some sort of chain guide.
    I really love this bike and will post an update when i try fitting my dropper. Also i did experience a hub noise like others have mentioned but it seems to be going away.
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    Glad you are enjoying your new wheels, Adelaide!!
    I got a carbon 4 and love it! I certainly donít ride like you guys but I hope to be able to increase my ability and stamina over time.
    I struggle with the second water bottle and have decided to go the camelback route.
    Itís different but water is on hand so easily. Also, my bike shop was able to lube away the noise from the front hub.... No worries if it doesnít disappear.
    Enjoy and ride safely!
    GJSnow.

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    Could someone verify if I am understanding this correctly? It looks to me that only the HM WC and HM 1 specify the Ocho Carbon. (US website).
    Is it true, then, that the Carbon 2 and down do not have the Carbon Ocho since it doesn't say Ocho "Carbon"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by (R)AdelaideXC View Post
    ...I really love this bike and will post an update when i try fitting my dropper...
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    Thanks for posting your ride and thoughts. It sounds awesome!

    What dropper are you thinking of using?

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    I have an external 125mm reverb that i can change to quicly and remove quickly

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    ocho weight

    Had the Ocho off my scalpel yesterday so I threw it on the scale. 1400g
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    Quote Originally Posted by norty_mtb View Post
    Had the Ocho off my scalpel yesterday so I threw it on the scale. 1400g
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    Is that a carbon or alloy ocho? I can't tell it looks like it is of a HM 1 or Carbon 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by (R)AdelaideXC View Post
    Is that a carbon or alloy ocho? I can't tell it looks like it is of a HM 1 or Carbon 4
    You're right, Carbon off of HM1

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    When the Ocho becomes available a la carte, will it be pretty straightforward to fit it to a 2018 Scalpel? It looks like at least a headset cup spacer on the 2019 would need to come off, anything else?

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    If you have a Xloc Full Sprint lockout, you will need to either modify the remote or replace the remote for the rear shock. If you want a 1 button lockout, you will have to replace the rear shock with the fox version.

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    thanks jschoef - good to know - hadn't considered that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToastR View Post
    When the Ocho becomes available a la carte, will it be pretty straightforward to fit it to a 2018 Scalpel? It looks like at least a headset cup spacer on the 2019 would need to come off, anything else?
    You would need new spacers, stem and top cap as well as a new headset to accommodate the standard 1'1/2 - 1'1/8 inch tapered steerer in the lefty Ocho as compared to the original 1'1/2 inch non tapered steerer on the Lefty 2.0

    Also lockout is an issue, if you have a carbon 4 from 2018 you can fit an ocho straightaway (in terms of lockout), otherwise in higher models you would need two separate levers to control front and rear lockout or, as pointed out by jchoef you can get a 2 position Push to Unlock (PTU) fox shock - only available aftermarket i believe in kashima coat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToastR View Post
    Could someone verify if I am understanding this correctly? It looks to me that only the HM WC and HM 1 specify the Ocho Carbon. (US website).
    Is it true, then, that the Carbon 2 and down do not have the Carbon Ocho since it doesn't say Ocho "Carbon"?
    Hey ToastR - I donít think anyone replied to your question.. and as you am a tad disappointed as well, the Carbon Ocho is only on the High Mod Frames which will now include the Shimano Limited Edition coming out soon.

    Can you believe, here in Canada the Carbon 1ís are all sold out already?! I went to place to check on availability at my LBS (have a contact there) so we called it up online to check and sold out - so he sent a message to the rep and yup, done for the year

    Considering I just managed to get the wife to agree to the price of the Carbon 1, she pretty much tuned me out when I mentioned the Limited Ed Shimano... Looks like Iím getting a Carbon 2.
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    2019 Scalpel-SI with Lefty Ocho

    I feel for you. Here is a pic of the WC to at least enjoy someone elseís bike

    If I can only figure out how to post a pic on my mobile phone
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    I feel for you. Here is a pic of the WC to at least enjoy someone elseís bike
    Ahhhh... thanks! But even your pic didnít come through!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    I feel for you. Here is a pic of the WC to at least enjoy someone elseís bike

    If I can only figure out how to post a pic on my mobile phone
    Use Tapatalk?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow4eva View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow4eva View Post
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    Thanks~

    Quote Originally Posted by osteo View Post
    Hey ToastR - I donít think anyone replied to your question.. and as you am a tad disappointed as well, the Carbon Ocho is only on the High Mod Frames which will now include the Shimano Limited Edition coming out soon.

    Can you believe, here in Canada the Carbon 1ís are all sold out already?! I went to place to check on availability at my LBS (have a contact there) so we called it up online to check and sold out - so he sent a message to the rep and yup, done for the year

    Considering I just managed to get the wife to agree to the price of the Carbon 1, she pretty much tuned me out when I mentioned the Limited Ed Shimano... Looks like Iím getting a Carbon 2.
    Hey Osteo - thanks for noticing! Although not finding an easy answer here led me to do more research - which isn't all bad I guess But I was disappointed to find precisely what you mention above - its only on the Hi-Mods.
    Sorry to hear about the high demand for Carbon 1's up North!
    I think I'm gonna wait til they make the Ocho available and make a decision then.
    Well, at least since the wife committed to a Carbon 1 you should get plenty of points for getting the less expensive option Be sure to share the pics - the WC and C2 are my favorite colourways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by (R)AdelaideXC View Post
    You would need new spacers, stem and top cap as well as a new headset to accommodate the standard 1'1/2 - 1'1/8 inch tapered steerer in the lefty Ocho as compared to the original 1'1/2 inch non tapered steerer on the Lefty 2.0

    Also lockout is an issue, if you have a carbon 4 from 2018 you can fit an ocho straightaway (in terms of lockout), otherwise in higher models you would need two separate levers to control front and rear lockout or, as pointed out by jchoef you can get a 2 position Push to Unlock (PTU) fox shock - only available aftermarket i believe in kashima coat.
    Thanks (R) for this in-depth response - its super helpful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trauma-md View Post
    All finished. Gotta say the Ocho is most definitely more light rider friendly. Was always difficult to get Lefty set up just right for me (135lbs). Took out volume spacers, lighter oil. Just couldnít get the right mix of small and large bump performance. Ocho is much easier to dial for both now. Just incredible upgrade in performance over the <8 leftys.




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    Have you changed the rear shock with nomral lockout? what's the size of the Fox Shock? Manual showed that it was 190mm x 45mm, but I measured the stroke, it's about 51mm, if I want to get a new Fox Shock, what size I should get? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by scalpel226 View Post
    Have you changed the rear shock with nomral lockout? what's the size of the Fox Shock? Manual showed that it was 190mm x 45mm, but I measured the stroke, it's about 51mm, if I want to get a new Fox Shock, what size I should get? Thanks
    Yes I did swap for the manual lockout Fox, it is 190x51mm and fits absolutely fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trauma-md View Post
    Yes I did swap for the manual lockout Fox, it is 190x51mm and fits absolutely fine.
    So it means different shock manufacturers have different shock measurement nowadays? FOX 190 x 51mm is same as RS Monarch XX 190 x 45mm in reality? I am a bit confused. Thanks

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    So, my Carbon 2 is on order and should be arriving soon!!! Woohoo!! Thanks osokolo for the teasing picís (I went back to Pg 1 and saw yours!).

    Curious to the weight difference between the Hi-Mod/Carbon Ocho bikes (WC or Carbon 1) and the Carbon 2.

    Osokolo posted his WC weighed 22.5lbs with pedals, anyone have a Large Carbon 2 they can weigh?

    Thanks
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    If I want to upgrade the 2017 Scalpel Si frame with Ocho, then I need to get a cable-lock rear FOX shock, however, I find that the lockout cable routing on the shock is reserve, facing another side. Doesn't like the one in the picture shown. Anyone knows that the routing part can be turned to another side? Or does FOX make one like this? thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by osteo View Post
    So, my Carbon 2 is on order and should be arriving soon!!! Woohoo!! Thanks osokolo for the teasing picís (I went back to Pg 1 and saw yours!).

    Curious to the weight difference between the Hi-Mod/Carbon Ocho bikes (WC or Carbon 1) and the Carbon 2.

    Osokolo posted his WC weighed 22.5lbs with pedals, anyone have a Large Carbon 2 they can weigh?

    Thanks
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    I've weighed a 2019 Scalpel-Si Carbon 2 in medium and that was 24.1lbs without pedals and cages. Pretty good weight for that build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copenhagen View Post
    I've weighed a 2019 Scalpel-Si Carbon 2 in medium and that was 24.1lbs without pedals and cages. Pretty good weight for that build.
    Perfect, thanks Copenhagen!
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    Can you explain about the lefty setup? have an 2018 lefty. 69kg, 100 PSI .

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    1lb less then what Cannondale states on their site. I wonder if they made a mistake on the weight of the 2 and 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jschoef View Post
    1lb less then what Cannondale states on their site. I wonder if they made a mistake on the weight of the 2 and 3.
    Which Cannondale website states weights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan Stamler View Post
    Can you explain about the lefty setup? have an 2018 lefty. 69kg, 100 PSI .
    yeah, the recommended settings are way too low - i'm 65kg and am at around 150psi for 25% sag - the knob on top help to make it harder for really rough trails but the recommended rebound settings are good

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    All the M size World Cup and Hi-Mod 1 builds are sold out so Im test riding a Scalpel in size L next week. I'm 6.0' with fairly long legs so not really concerned about the stack height, its almost exactly the same as my M F-Si but I am a bit worried that the reach is going to be just that little bit too long.

    Anyone else on a L frame and if so whats your height and inseam?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveinaus View Post
    All the M size World Cup and Hi-Mod 1 builds are sold out so Im test riding a Scalpel in size L next week. I'm 6.0' with fairly long legs so not really concerned about the stack height, its almost exactly the same as my M F-Si but I am a bit worried that the reach is going to be just that little bit too long.

    Anyone else on a L frame and if so whats your height and inseam?

    Thanks in advance!
    My previous ride was a Lg F-29 and I bought a Lg carbon 2. I am 5' 11.5" w/ a 32" inseam. Both bikes feel very comfortable to me and I don't feel stretched on either of them. I think you will be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daveinaus View Post
    All the M size World Cup and Hi-Mod 1 builds are sold out so Im test riding a Scalpel in size L next week. I'm 6.0' with fairly long legs so not really concerned about the stack height, its almost exactly the same as my M F-Si but I am a bit worried that the reach is going to be just that little bit too long.

    Anyone else on a L frame and if so whats your height and inseam?

    Thanks in advance!
    6'0"
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    The $1k price difference between the Scalpel 1 and Scalpel 2 makes the Scalpel 1 well worth the extra (at least it is 1k here in Canada), which I would imagine is why they all sold out so fast. Daveinaus - Iím guessing you are in Australia? Guess it is not only Canada they are sold out.
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    Thanks guys, makes a bit more confident about "sizing up". Yep I'm in Australia and they obviously under estimated the demand, thankfully there are large frames still in stock. The price diff between the WC and the Hi-Mod 1 is pretty tough to justify so I'm probably leaning towards the Hi-Mod 1 at this stage but if I can get a really good deal on the WC I might just drop the extra $$$ and be done with it.

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    1,78cm with 87cm inseam and I ride an L [i put an 80mm stem on]

    the M Scalpel just felt too small and the seatpost was extended too far out on the frame for my inseam

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    so the Ocho touches underneath the frame...scary in a fall

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    Quick question for you guys... the rear assymetrical wheel, is it the rim or the hub (+ lacing) that makes it assymetrical?

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    Quote Originally Posted by osteo View Post
    Quick question for you guys... the rear assymetrical wheel, is it the rim or the hub (+ lacing) that makes it assymetrical?
    None of the above, it's just the dishing. Pretty much any non AI wheel can be made AI by dishing the rim over to NDS by adjusting then evening the spoke tension.

    https://cannondale.zendesk.com/hc/en...c-Integration-

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    Quote Originally Posted by guidodg View Post
    so the Ocho touches underneath the frame...scary in a fall

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    Dang, I just checked my large and sure enough it just barely hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howards View Post
    None of the above, it's just the dishing. Pretty much any non AI wheel can be made AI by dishing the rim over to NDS by adjusting then evening the spoke tension.

    https://cannondale.zendesk.com/hc/en...c-Integration-
    Thanks Howards and for the link! Knew I would get a faster and more informed answer here!
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    I think the new FS-i designed in conjunction with the Ocho has a stop in the headset to prevent the fork from hitting the frame in case of a fall

    The Scalpel-Si does not have this...probably the 2020 model will....but it seems a serious oversight on Cannondales part

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    Quote Originally Posted by guidodg View Post
    I think the new FS-i designed in conjunction with the Ocho has a stop in the headset to prevent the fork from hitting the frame in case of a fall

    The Scalpel-Si does not have this...probably the 2020 model will....but it seems a serious oversight on Cannondales part
    I wonder if that is a part we can order? A buddy of mine rides the Hi-Mod 1, and works at the LBS and is buddysí with the Rep, will see if I can find some info...
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    Quote Originally Posted by guidodg View Post
    I think the new FS-i designed in conjunction with the Ocho has a stop in the headset to prevent the fork from hitting the frame in case of a fall

    The Scalpel-Si does not have this...probably the 2020 model will....but it seems a serious oversight on Cannondales part
    According to my buddy, all the bikes with the Ochoís should have that stop in the headset, maybe it needs to be set or adjusted?

    Alas, I donít have my bike in my grubby hands yet to check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guidodg View Post
    I think the new FS-i designed in conjunction with the Ocho has a stop in the headset to prevent the fork from hitting the frame in case of a fall

    The Scalpel-Si does not have this...probably the 2020 model will....but it seems a serious oversight on Cannondales part
    my Lefty clears the frame on a med wc fsi and has no headset stop. My girlfriend has the xsmall carbon 2 and she has a stop in the headset

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    Just finished watching a video by Mike Levy over on PinkBike that he did on the Ocho at Cannondale, if you havenít seen it, pretty neat and the last couple minutes with them discussing the aluminum Ocho I found very cool and surprising.

    http://https://youtu.be/o5iWN1460So

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    Um, the triple crown lefties used to hit the frame too. Hence they had a big rubber stop on the fork. What's the issue? Rubber stop is on frame now not fork.

    Yes, it'll be better when next generation Scalpel arrives with the stop in the headset ala F-Si, but for now...meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie_yeti View Post
    Um, the triple crown lefties used to hit the frame too. Hence they had a big rubber stop on the fork. What's the issue? Rubber stop is on frame now not fork.

    Yes, it'll be better when next generation Scalpel arrives with the stop in the headset ala F-Si, but for now...meh.
    Same as brakes master cylinder hitting the top tube. Put few hundred KMs on my Scalpel and yet to have this happen. This is nothing burger
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    On my xl both the fork and the brakes clear the frame quite neatly i gues by coincidence based on what others are saying.

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    Today I sold my -17 Scalpel Si and now I need to decide the new bike. Iím leaning towards Scalpel with Ocho and new XTR but do I have any other choices? Scott Spark, BMC fourstroke? Any others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboKoo View Post
    Today I sold my -17 Scalpel Si and now I need to decide the new bike. Iím leaning towards Scalpel with Ocho and new XTR but do I have any other choices? Scott Spark, BMC fourstroke? Any others?
    The 2019 Orbea Oiz should be pretty sweet when it eventually comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboKoo View Post
    Today I sold my -17 Scalpel Si and now I need to decide the new bike. Iím leaning towards Scalpel with Ocho and new XTR but do I have any other choices? Scott Spark, BMC fourstroke? Any others?
    I'm in the same boat. I have a 2015 carbon scalpel that I love...but I'm sick of doing fork resets. I'm looking seriously at a Santa Cruz Blur with the carbon wheels

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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post
    I'm in the same boat. I have a 2015 carbon scalpel that I love...but I'm sick of doing fork resets. I'm looking seriously at a Santa Cruz Blur with the carbon wheels
    Itís interesting peoples likes and dislikes. I got to ride the Blur ($12000cdn version) and 2018 Scalpel Carbon 3 ($6000cdn) last year - not sure specifically which models they were at the time (not about to go figure it out either!) both bikes back to back and on the same test loop that was all single track.

    The Blur they set the suspension up for my weight, but the handlebars and controls were not to set to my liking. The Scalpel I just hopped on it and left.

    I found the Scalpel blew the Blur out of the water! I was so impressed and when I found out what the Scalpel retailed for I was even more amazed!

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    LBS organised a demo day for staff and a few customers so got the chance to test ride the new 2019 Scalpel Carbon 3. Was about 25mm longer reach than the FS-i I have now which was nice on the downhill sections. I've been meaning to get a longer stem for the hard tail anyway so I think the larger frame will actually be welcome. I definitely noticed the longer front centre though, which i guess is a trade off between stability and agility on tight twisty single track. The front tyre didn't help though, Racing Ray's on loose over hard. They might as well have been slicks compared to the Ardent race I'm used to!

    The new Lefty is pretty amaze. Its going to be hard not to drop big $$$ on a World Cup build even if it does come with SRAM brakes . Haven't ridden Eagle before either and I was pretty impressed with the smoothness of the shifting. I'm thinking new bike day isn't far around the corner

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboKoo View Post
    Today I sold my -17 Scalpel Si and now I need to decide the new bike. Iím leaning towards Scalpel with Ocho and new XTR but do I have any other choices? Scott Spark, BMC fourstroke? Any others?
    Yup. You have a few options

    Scalpel WC
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    Good to know....I haven't even ridden the Blur yet. My local bike shop owner is a really good friend and he recently dropped Cannon-dale. He says the support he gets from Santa-Cruz is super strong.

    I'm looking at the CC Frame X01TR with the Fox 34 110mm and carbon wheels. I won't be pulling the trigger until the spring so I have time to figure things out.

    Yea...cockpit layout is super important. I've been on bikes that I didn't get along with at all and then changed bars/stem/grips and everything felt much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post

    Yea...cockpit layout is super important. I've been on bikes that I didn't get along with at all and then changed bars/stem/grips and everything felt much better.

    That was the thing when I rode the Blur, after the first 10min (it was a 20min loop that I created for our local Demo Festival) I stopped trying to focus on how crappy the bar/controls position were and focus on the rest of the bike. I did both loops with a buddy of mine that followed me and he commented on how his perception of me handling the 2 different bikes as well, he said night and day. It does make me wonder if I was to change the controls if it would have been better... but now I will never know as my Carbon 2 is in the box at the shop waiting for me to finish paying for it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by osteo View Post
    That was the thing when I rode the Blur, after the first 10min (it was a 20min loop that I created for our local Demo Festival) I stopped trying to focus on how crappy the bar/controls position were and focus on the rest of the bike. I did both loops with a buddy of mine that followed me and he commented on how his perception of me handling the 2 different bikes as well, he said night and day. It does make me wonder if I was to change the controls if it would have been better... but now I will never know as my Carbon 2 is in the box at the shop waiting for me to finish paying for it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    I canít believe you are still thinking about your Blur...
    Haha! Nope, pure Cannondale for me now, Iím a proud convert! Slate and Scalpel for me! Covers all my bike needs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboKoo View Post
    Today I sold my -17 Scalpel Si and now I need to decide the new bike. Iím leaning towards Scalpel with Ocho and new XTR but do I have any other choices? Scott Spark, BMC fourstroke? Any others?
    Every year since the scalpel 29'er came out I sell my current one and get the latest model year. The 2019 is by far the best performing scalpel yet. My hope is the ocho is less maintenance and more reliable than previous versions. I've had to fix and warranty more lefties than I care to admit over the last 7 years. Hoping the Ocho takes me out of this Lefty love/hate relationship.

    To your question, the new fourstroke looks pretty amazing. I rode a 2017 fourstroke 01 di2 for a couple events and it was a pretty incredible bike. I am very interested in test riding the redesign to see how it compares to the 2017 BMC and the scalpel.

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    2019 Scalpel-SI with Lefty Ocho-cannondale-2019-scalpel-si-limited-edition-8338-l-1.jpgI have orderd this one in Sweden cant see you have it in usa ?
    Highmode limeted edition. full XTR

    Tryed the new Bmc Fourstroke the uther day and it is nice but it vill take time to get use to 67.5 headangel.
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    Iím also located in Sweden and have my eyes on the very same model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboKoo View Post
    Iím also located in Sweden and have my eyes on the very same model.
    Where in Sweded do you live ?

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    Uppsala.

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    I've also ordered the Limited edition XTR model from The Netherlands. Mine is expected to arrive December 18th... still a month waiting. I've ordered it via my local Cannondale dealer and bought it without the wheelset, I've got a set of DT240 rear and Extralite front hubs laced to Duke lucky jack rims on order. Weight for the wheelset is 1285grams, much better than the Hollowgram originals. Going to be a nice ride!

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    Decided to pull the trigger and order the WC Hi-Mod. No word on the XTR model being available in Australia and the LBS can do me an excellent deal on the WC variant. Going to put down a deposit today so should have it within the next couple of weeks hopefully.

    Quick question RE: Q-Factor. I have read that due to the Ai offset, the q-factor for the Eagle crankset has been increased by 16mm which may be a problem as I am used to the narrow q-factor of the Si-Cranks on both my MTB and my Supersix.

    I have a spare set of Si Cranks i can run, any issues purchasing a Garbaruk 12speed Direct mount chain ring and running the C-Dale Si Crankset? Would this throw the chainline out too much? I can live with the wider q-factor but would rather stick with what I know and am used to.

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    I have the world cup and run the si cranks. They fit fine with a stages. I use the ai offset sram spider so chainrings are easily changed without removing the crank

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    Thanks, I think I might have the spider lyign around somewhere but was keen on sticking with the DM chainring.

    I already have a 34t Hollowgram Spidering and Im wondering if it would be compatible with the 12spd SRAM chain? Looks like the 12spd XTR model comes with a Spidering so perhaps it would work with Eagle as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveinaus View Post
    Thanks, I think I might have the spider lyign around somewhere but was keen on sticking with the DM chainring.

    I already have a 34t Hollowgram Spidering and Im wondering if it would be compatible with the 12spd SRAM chain? Looks like the 12spd XTR model comes with a Spidering so perhaps it would work with Eagle as well?
    I believe the old spidering is too thick for a 12sp chain. Just enough grab to wrap the chain too much. I just swapped out my Stylo carbon crank on a Scalpel 1 to a Hollowgram with a Wolftooth Camo ring and a 34t ring. I lost 50gr and about 8 millimeters in Q factor. I didn't take a picture of the Hollowgram but did weigh it with the spacers, spider, and ring, same as the stylo picture
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    Cheers @norty_mtb. I'm thinking I might order a Garburak DM chainring from R2 bike and if it doesn't get here in time just run the Eagle crankset in the short term.

    It honestly shouldn't be too much of an issue for XCO racing so I'm probably over thinking it but I do like to do the occasional Marathon or Stage race. Longer training rides could be a potential problem too and I just really like the feel of the narrow q-factor. Plus is it really a C'Dale if you don't run a set of hollograms?

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    And here it is on it's maiden voyage.



    Still need to trim the steerer and will probably swap the crankset over once my Garabruk chain ring arrives. Might have to put a weight weenie seatpost on at some point as well.

    As for initial thoughts, it is much faster in the rough stuff than the FSi. Maybe a tad sluggish in smooth uphills but honestly I don't think it's giving up much at all. The new Lefty is amazing! So smooth and a much better pedalling platform than the 2.0 which I thought was still pretty good.

    Comes in at 10.4kg for a Large frame so I'm giving up about 1kg compared to the FSi which about what I expected. Should be able to knock it down under 10kg with a few simple changes though which I'll be happy with. Anyway very happy with my purchase.

    NSW State XCO champs are next week so will get it's first race day very soon!

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