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    Canfield Brothers Lucky's are in!

    Here is the first Canfield Brothers Lucky frame. Just built it up and spent the weekend in Moab.

    Geometry

    Adjustable Travel 7.09 (180mm) to 8.15 (207mm)
    Bottom Bracket Height 14
    Chain Stay Length 17.0
    Head Angle with a 570mm A to C Fork (8) = 66 deg. (7) = 67 deg.

    Small:
    Actual Seat tube 15
    Effective Top tube 22
    Medium:
    Actual Seat tube 17
    Effective Top tube 23
    Large:
    Actual Seat tube 19
    Effective Top tube 24

    Frame Weight 11.25lbs (medium with Fox DHX 5.0)
    Rear Hub size 150 x 12 thru axle
    Head tube Length 125mm
    Head Set Size 1.5
    Seat Post Diameter 27.2mm
    Seat Collar Diameter 31.8mm / 1
    BB Shell 83mm w/ ISCG Tabs
    BB Size 83 shell x 128 spindle (fits all types)
    Max Tire Size 2.7
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    Looks really nice, is that 1.5" headtube?

    regards

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    Nice looking frame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvflyer
    Looks really nice, is that 1.5" headtube?

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    Never mind,,,,,,

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    Awww man!
    That looks soooo much better than the last proto I saw!
    I knew that was gonna be a killer bike

    Very nice.

    Now how about some ride reports?
    What does that WB come out to?
    Is the frame aluminum?
    Any idea of the seat tube angle?

    Could you take a pic of the bike directly from the side for me?

    That bike looks really nice my friend

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    Dope show....nice work!

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    Looks great! Nice to see the dw-Link in another flavor.

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    Looks great! Nice to see the dw-Link in another flavor.


    DW did NOT invent the parallel link.
    what would rainbow unicorn do?

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    Boootiful

    What a beautiful bike. Looking forward to hearing more about it.
    Were looking at balz

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    Adjustable Travel

    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    Here is the first Canfield Brothers Lucky frame. Just built it up and spent the weekend in Moab.

    Adjustable Travel 7.09 (180mm) to 8.15 (207mm)
    How is the adjustable travel accomplished?
    Were looking at balz

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    Adjustable Travel

    The Lucky adjusts from 7" to 8" with two mounting holes for the shock on the upper link.
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    More Pictures

    Had a request for more pics so here you go!
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    a few more pics.
    The rear triangle uses a internally ribbed tubing, as does the support tube for the upper forward pivot, for increased lateral stiffness and durability. The bearing in the upper link are 20 x 32 x 7mm bearings and the lower link runs a custom double row 20mm bearing with extended inner race to eliminate the need for washers. The rear end runs a 150x12 hub and the frame comes with the axle, a standard Canfield replacable hanger and a Saint compatable hanger also. The finish is XTR Grey hard anodized and has graphics polished into the aluminum before anodizing. The logos are laser etched into the anodizing, giving you a durable finish with no need for stickers.
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    Thanks for posting those up, looks great, am loving the details. Can wait to get my hands on one.

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    Damn that sh*t is hot to death. I love the mint bars!

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    That is one beautiful bike. It just all flows together to create a masterpiece.
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    I was really confused as to what was going on in this pic till I saw the file name. Anywho...
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    Tech question alert!!!!!

    Okay, the arrival of my frame in iminent (maybe next week? Any updates on that?) and I'm looking at spring rates and trying to get an idea of shock set up...

    I'm going to run the bike in 7" mode predominantly. I'm ~205-210lbs so I'm guessing the leverage ratio in that mode is better suited to my weight. However, how does the leverage ratio vary through the stroke in 7" mode? Is the linkage designed to have a progressive rate and ramp up at end of stroke or is it linear and you use the adjustments on the DHX to make it as progressive as you like?

    Canfield Bro's, what did you end up with for settings after your first ride? Did you spend a lot of time adjusting the shock? It looks like I'll need a 450 spring, or maybe a 400 with pre-load if I want a bit more sag.

    Finally, does the difference in shock mounting for the 7" travel affect BB height and HA? I've got 170mm cranks to run but could change them for 165mm if the BB is too low.

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_boy
    Tech question alert!!!!!

    Okay, the arrival of my frame in iminent (maybe next week? Any updates on that?) and I'm looking at spring rates and trying to get an idea of shock set up...

    I'm going to run the bike in 7" mode predominantly. I'm ~205-210lbs so I'm guessing the leverage ratio in that mode is better suited to my weight. However, how does the leverage ratio vary through the stroke in 7" mode? Is the linkage designed to have a progressive rate and ramp up at end of stroke or is it linear and you use the adjustments on the DHX to make it as progressive as you like?

    Canfield Bro's, what did you end up with for settings after your first ride? Did you spend a lot of time adjusting the shock? It looks like I'll need a 450 spring, or maybe a 400 with pre-load if I want a bit more sag.

    Finally, does the difference in shock mounting for the 7" travel affect BB height and HA? I've got 170mm cranks to run but could change them for 165mm if the BB is too low.

    Thanks.
    Jon.
    Hey Jon

    I tested the Roco on the Lucky for about 3 months last season and it's a really good match for the bike. Alot smoother than a Fox but I like the Fox for more AM type riding.

    The Luckys are (edit) in and then we need to inspect and inventory everything. I'm guessing mid Febuary for delivery.

    I run a 450# spring for 8" mode and weigh 150 lbs. In 7" a 450 works for Chris weighing in at 180-185. I think you should start with a 500 and go from there. The Lucky is VERY progressive so we turned the propedal off, backed the compression damping all the way off and slowed the rebound to my liking. Chris likes it with a little less rebound than I do, being more of a racer than a hucker.

    The BB is 14" in 8" mode and drops to 13.7" in 7" mode.
    The head angle is 66 degrees in 8" mode and is 65.5 degrees in 7" mode with a 570mm tall fork. If you can, run 165 cranks.
    Hope I answered everything for you. Let me know if you've got more questions or give Chris a call. 801-548-2556
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    Thanks for the information. Just trying to get all the parts for the build together.

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    does anyone knows why the left and the right support on the rear swingarm is different? one is a tube(left) and the other is just a slab of metal strip?

    cheers

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    That's to clear the chain.

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    The finish looks top quality, i'm diggin' the lazzer etching.

    two quick questions,

    what's the price?
    Is chain growth an issue?

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    Price is $2349 frame and Fox DHX 5.0.
    Chain growth isn't an issue, it has about the same about as a M-3.

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    I posted this in another canfield thread too but what is the appropriate use of the Lucky? FR, AM or mini-DH?

    What is the weight of a built one and desired fork travel?

    I ride a bullit now as a do everything, AM/FR bike and was looking for a similar thing. Would the balance be a better idea? I have no idea what that bikes niche is either.

    thanks for the knowlege
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    I think I saw it written somewhere that the Lucky is DH/FR and the Balance is DJ/AM/FR. The Balance is built to be strong and will take the abuse that DJ/FR dishes out but can be built to be an aggressive AM rig.

    I think Lance said that Chris is going to race the lucky this year.

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    Thanks Jon_boy. What he said.

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    What's the latest thoughts on when these frames might land at DropNZone? There's a pile of parts waiting to go on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_boy
    What's the latest thoughts on when these frames might land at DropNZone? There's a pile of parts waiting to go on it.
    ha ha! your everywhere


    hey chris, any idea if my frame was shipped yet?

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    A bunch of Luckys are going in the mail today. DropNZone should see them wedsday.

    We just updated www.canfieldbrothers.com too.

    CHEERS!

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    I got the call from Allen earlier. STOKED!!!!

    I will hopefully get down there before next weekend to pick it up. I'll post up pics once it's home.

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    Here's my bike, I picked it up today;








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    Here's some more....








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    Damn

    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    Here is the first Canfield Brothers Lucky frame. Just built it up and spent the weekend in Moab.
    ...That rig is PURE BURL. Nice.

    And thx for the ride pics. Both looked sketchy as hell!

    Post more if you got 'em!
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    Here's a few more pics from Moab. Was great to get out of Jackson's cold hell for a bit. Chris will be riding in Bountiful this weekend, hopfully getting a few more pics. It's looking pretty dry.
    He just got his Lucky built up, 40lbs and could shave a couple more easily. He'll get some bike shots this week too.
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    Good job! Holy NUTsax!

    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    Here's a few more pics from Moab.
    1000x thx for posting some more. Those are ill. Something about those angles and the fact that I'm still a pretty toy rider when it comes to big hucks and big air... Yeah, when I look at those I'm not totally sure how I'd land them.

    Damn. Nice shots, nice riding, nice bike.
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    My bike ended up being around 42lbs. My wheels are not the lightest and a lb could be easily lost there and I could go to an E13 LG1 guide to loose some more. The Ti spring is on, so it does make 40lbs realistic.

    I really like the fact that this frame has a nice easy light rear thru-axle set up. That shaves a lot of weight right there. No stupid steel axles for this frame.

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    ANy pics of the red links?

    Lucky owners..How are you liking you bikes?

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    Stole it from somewhere......
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    Guys, awesome bike...congrats!

    Quick question: Where is the best place to get one? Should I just call up Canfield directly? Will they just ship to my home?

    I want a XTR Grey with red links if possible.

    TIA.

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    yeah, call them directly

    I think that is how most people get their frames. The number is of course on their web site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowpug
    Guys, awesome bike...congrats!

    Quick question: Where is the best place to get one? Should I just call up Canfield directly? Will they just ship to my home?

    I want a XTR Grey with red links if possible.

    TIA.

    Yes they will. Chris is awesome to deal with! Super helpful.Just call, pay and you don't wait very long. I'm chomping at the bit to get mine together.

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    Thx guys.

    My lbs just left a message with them yesterday so we are awaiting a call back. I want a grey with white links now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    Stole it from somewhere......
    thief! you stole my pic

    btw, great bike

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    hey chris, do you have any of the original proto looking lucky's. the steel ones with the round tubes. like the blue one you introduced last year on the forums? i think it was in the writeup where you were dropping off of a loading dock,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by motherfudpucker
    hey chris, do you have any of the original proto looking lucky's. the steel ones with the round tubes. like the blue one you introduced last year on the forums? i think it was in the writeup where you were dropping off of a loading dock,,
    This is Lance. I have the one and only. It's in our Canfield history collection. It's been a great bike. I need to repaint it, it's had a hard life but will never die!
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    Hey Lance, did you say something about a history collection??? I would love to see some pictures of historic Canfield creations? Come to think of it, I'm sure alot of other people would too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOFFMAN223
    Hey Lance, did you say something about a history collection??? I would love to see some pictures of historic Canfield creations? Come to think of it, I'm sure alot of other people would too!
    DITTO!!!

    BTW can we see The ONE?

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    Heres just a few from the collection, not all ours, but shows the progression of our frames.

    First bike we built wes the "Big Fat Fatty Fat". 12" front and rear, 17" chainstays, 26 -24 wheel combo decked out in retro gear. I still have it just as the picture shows.

    The next bike was the Fatty Fat, 10" travel with a progression link.

    The next was the first in the Signature Series bikes. Chris built this one for me to ride in the Red Bull Rampage. My first ride on it was the first day of practice with way too many cameras but it was golden. One of the finest bikes I've had and the first steel front we made. The last shot, hip sequence, is the third day on that bike.

    One of the last Signature frames was Josh Benders. It has a custom head angle for a Super Monster, steel front and double thick rear. It was 18 lbs, frame only, but perfect for Bender. He still has it.

    Then came the Formula 1 in 04-05. Refined in alot of ways, lighter, lower and slack and made the move to production with Pacific Cycles. We would have had to closed our doors because it wasn't reasonable to keep doing business that way we had been. Now we are able to refine the bikes to a level we would have never had the time to if we where doing all the building ourselves.

    I'll post more on this later. I hope you enjoy it. Cheers
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    good stuff

    Thanks for the history pics, always neat to see the evolution of a product. Do you remember who took that last sequence shot? They did a fantastic job and I am curious how they accomplished it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    Heres just a few from the collection, not all ours, but shows the progression of our frames.

    First bike we built wes the "Big Fat Fatty Fat". 12" front and rear, 17" chainstays, 26 -24 wheel combo decked out in retro gear. I still have it just as the picture shows.

    The next bike was the Fatty Fat, 10" travel with a progression link.

    The next was the first in the Signature Series bikes. Chris built this one for me to ride in the Red Bull Rampage. My first ride on it was the first day of practice with way too many cameras but it was golden. One of the finest bikes I've had and the first steel front we made. The last shot, hip sequence, is the third day on that bike.

    One of the last Signature frames was Josh Benders. It has a custom head angle for a Super Monster, steel front and double thick rear. It was 18 lbs, frame only, but perfect for Bender. He still has it.

    Then came the Formula 1 in 04-05. Refined in alot of ways, lighter, lower and slack and made the move to production with Pacific Cycles. We would have had to closed our doors because it wasn't reasonable to keep doing business that way we had been. Now we are able to refine the bikes to a level we would have never had the time to if we where doing all the building ourselves.

    I'll post more on this later. I hope you enjoy it. Cheers
    Facken Righteous

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    Not sure who shot that picture but it's one of my favorites. The "Billy Goat Line" in Virgin, had to chop out a part of the cliff to get my bars to clear to even get to the hip. Techy line for sure and the runout has a fluffy burm and if you blow it theres a cliff right below.

    Heres another fovorite from the Test Of Metal in Moab. Jumpsing over the rock in the left corner. Don't want to case that one.

    https://gallery.mtbr.com/data/mtbr/5...r_Rock_low.JPG

    I mentioned Bender but missed the pic. Here it is.

    And one of me and my bro, Chris at Mushroomdrop.
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    WOW! Amazing stuff Lance, thanks so much for sharing the wealth! I am always excited to see prototypes and the evolution of designs. Many times the early incarnations of certain bikes are more interesting than the final production runs, fortunately for you guys that isn't the case. Your bikes just seem to get better and better!

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    ya two of my buddys have diffrent canfields and i must say i am down with canfield thats for sure

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    Minor spam, but I'm looking to sell my Canfield Lucky frame. I need to liberate some $'s for some home projects that I'm in the process of doing.

    http://classifieds.mtbr.com/showprod...=17131&cat=500

    Let me know if anyone is interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_boy
    Minor spam, but I'm looking to sell my Canfield Lucky frame. I need to liberate some $'s for some home projects that I'm in the process of doing.

    http://classifieds.mtbr.com/showprod...=17131&cat=500

    Let me know if anyone is interested.
    Bump for this... now $1300 and keen to sell... make me an offer, I need the $'s.

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    Looking to replace my 2005 66r on lmy lucky w a new fork. Any opinions on the Travis 18o, Totem and Fox 36 would be welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike
    And one of me and my bro, Chris at Mushroomdrop.


    Freaking SICK! Awesome pic Thanks

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    I am saving up my pennies for this one so hopefully it will be my new ride before next season. That is still one of the sexiest bikes I have ever seen.
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    Sorry for dragging this old thread out of the doldrums...

    Its looking like I'll be picking up a lucky frame in the next few weeks

    So I have some questions!

    Geometry

    Adjustable Travel 7.09 (180mm) to 8.15 (207mm)
    Bottom Bracket Height 14
    Chain Stay Length 17.0
    Head Angle with a 570mm A to C Fork (8) = 66 deg. (7) = 67 deg.

    Small:
    Actual Seat tube 15
    Effective Top tube 22
    Medium:
    Actual Seat tube 17
    Effective Top tube 23
    Large:
    Actual Seat tube 19
    Effective Top tube 24

    Frame Weight 11.25lbs (medium with Fox DHX 5.0)
    Rear Hub size 150 x 12 thru axle
    Head tube Length 125mm
    Head Set Size 1.5
    Seat Post Diameter 27.2mm
    Seat Collar Diameter 31.8mm / 1
    BB Shell 83mm w/ ISCG Tabs
    BB Size 83 shell x 128 spindle (fits all types)
    Max Tire Size 2.7
    Here it says 7" mode steepens the HA, yet further down this is contradicted, so, ummm which is it?

    Given a rider weight of 180-190ish lbs, what shock spring rates would work in 7" and 8" mode? All round use, aggressive trail, rocky rooty east coast DH, and freeride...

    Does the frame play nice with air shocks like roco WC etc?

    Thanks and hopefully a canfield owner soon

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    I was running my with a evolver for a bit, and I wouldn't recommend. Its really much better suited for a coil.

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