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    B+ Canfield stoke !!

    I wanted to start this thread so there is a common place for info running 27.5 Plus on a Canfield Bros Riot.
    what tires and rims have worked. and what has not and why.
    with tires being released like the Schwalbe 2.8 Nobby Nic.. B+ is an option worth exploring
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    Paging Dusty!

    Great idea! I think we need a B+ Canfield thread in general since all the 29 inch frames are B+ compatible up to 2.8 it seems.

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    Does anyone need more than the 2.8?

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    Without a doubt, a 3" compatible N9/Yelli/Epo would be my next bike.

    Full squish? Probably not.

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    I can see some benefits to a 3.0 ..even full squish
    But, only for a clean sheet new bike design. Plus tires are not for everyone and, 3.0 B+ would probably narrow the available market significantly with the geometry and design compromises. It's much easier to get both a B+ 2.8 tire and a 29'er 2.5 tire to work in the same frame..


    I edited the thread title.. any suggestions for a better one?
    I'm looking to maybe add a Riot to the stable and need clearance info on the Riot a.s.a.p..
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    I ran 2.8 nobby nic 8 the rear with 30mm inner roval wheels off my enduro. It worked, however was super close on the drive side chain stay. So much that if I hit any mud it would cause issues. I DID very much like the feeling of that riot geo with plus size tires on it with the bottom bracket lower it felt better. So much so I am thibking about testing out a big volume 27.5 set up on the riot but not quite plus sized like a 2.5 minion wt or a set of wtb breakouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    I ran 2.8 nobby nic 8 the rear with 30mm inner roval wheels off my enduro. It worked, however was super close on the drive side chain stay. So much that if I hit any mud it would cause issues. I DID very much like the feeling of that riot geo with plus size tires on it with the bottom bracket lower it felt better. So much so I am thibking about testing out a big volume 27.5 set up on the riot but not quite plus sized like a 2.5 minion wt or a set of wtb breakouts.

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    I'm looking to add a Riot to the stable..
    I've had the DHF 2.5 WT mounted up on Derby rims which have a 35mm inside width.
    the profile of the tire is better then the 2.3 DHF on the same rim. I can tell there is more volume to the tire and can run it at a slightly lower pressure. There was more then adequate clearance on my 27.5 Endorphin. The Nobby Nic 2.8 is a whole different animal. much more volume. unfortunately it would lightly rub on the Knolly with a Derby rim. I just mounted up a B+ 2.8 Chupacabra to try. It might be the limit of tire size for that frame. I know it's not going to work everywhere. But, I'm hoping for the best on at least some of the stuff around Arizona

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    Just finished wheels for the N9 B+ project. Hope Pro 4 to Asym i35 (hat tip to EatsDirt for the help!) with 2.8 Nobby Nics. TrailStar front, PaceStar rear. First ride tomorrow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post


    Just finished wheels for the N9 B+ project. Hope Pro 4 to Asym i35 (hat tip to EatsDirt for the help!) with 2.8 Nobby Nics. TrailStar front, PaceStar rear. First ride tomorrow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinmike View Post
    Nice
    any issues with the build ?
    Spokes were a little long, and the included nipples from Dan's Comp were a little grabby, but it came together okay. The weld point on the i35s isn't the cleanest, either. I used clear Gorilla tape and seated bead with an air compressor (had to take the valve core out to get enough of a blast). Seems pretty good at the moment!

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    That nimble 9 looks good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Just finished wheels for the N9 B+ project.
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    Very nice, Kragu! That's pretty dang close to what I wanted to do, but I ended up buying a Yelli that popped up on craigslist. I'm still gonna build some Blunt/Hope wheels for it eventually.

    What's it weigh?
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    What length did you end up ordering and what ERD did you use for the i35s? Mine came together good using a 563 ERD and 272mm spokes with the older Pro2 EVO hubs.

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    Spokes were a little long, and the included nipples from Dan's Comp were a little grabby, but it came together okay. The weld point on the i35s isn't the cleanest, either. I used clear Gorilla tape and seated bead with an air compressor (had to take the valve core out to get enough of a blast). Seems pretty good at the moment!
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    B+ Canfield stoke !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Very nice, Kragu! That's pretty dang close to what I wanted to do, but I ended up buying a Yelli that popped up on craigslist. I'm still gonna build some Blunt/Hope wheels for it eventually.

    What's it weigh?
    Thanks! I haven't weighed it yet, but I'm guessing about 3/4 of a pound more than my 29er version which came in just above 27. That was with i9 Enduro wheels and a non-exo Ikon/Exo Ardent combo. These tires are surprisingly light- the PaceStar came in at 874g and TrailStar at 889g.

    I'd guess I'm still under 28, which isn't horrible with a dropper and a 2100g wheel set.

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    What length did you end up ordering and what ERD did you use for the i35s? Mine came together good using a 563 ERD and 272mm spokes with the older Pro2 EVO hubs.
    I used 563 and a 271/272 combo on each wheel. What's the flange diameter on the Pro2? 57mm on the Pro4.

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    Pro2 EVO is 54/56, Spoke calc spat out 272.0/272.1 for the front and 272.3/271.7 rear, so just ordered a box of 272mm and worked fine.

    Been riding and bashing these wheels now for over a month and they've held up great, no trouble what so ever, even when I lent my Paradox to a 220lb friend who then rode it with the fork in the Climb setting the whole ride including one of roughest and fastest trails. Just waiting to get the Maxxis Ikon/Rekon 2.8s for it and then I'll be all set.

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    I used 563 and a 271/272 combo on each wheel. What's the flange diameter on the Pro2? 57mm on the Pro4.
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    B+ Canfield stoke !!

    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Pro2 EVO is 54/56, Spoke calc spat out 272.0/272.1 for the front and 272.3/271.7 rear, so just ordered a box of 272mm and worked fine.

    Been riding and bashing these wheels now for over a month and they've held up great, no trouble what so ever, even when I lent my Paradox to a 220lb friend who then rode it with the fork in the Climb setting the whole ride including one of roughest and fastest trails. Just waiting to get the Maxxis Ikon/Rekon 2.8s for it and then I'll be all set.
    Awesome. I've always loved Schwalbe rubber in the first 300 miles or so. Probably take me 5 months or so to get to that on this set, since I'll be riding it 29 as well. My primary bike sees about a 4:1 use to this bike, so I'm not too worried about longevity with the Schwalbe rubber.

    What are you running on it right now?

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    I have the WTB Trailblazer 2.8" on the rear and Trailboss 3.0" on the front. as with most 29ers, not a whole lot of room for more than a true 2.8"in the back and honestly with a sus fork the 3.0" seems overkill to me on the front. This combo hasn't been bad for me, Trailblazer reminds me of the Nano I first started out on on 29ers, decent grip, have worked well in the dry we have now, but where they have let me down is in the wet, absolutely scared the crap out of me and had me walking trail I would normally ride on Maxxis rubber - trail is just plain steep, rocks and roots, covered in moss, had no sort of inkling of traction on the WTBs.

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    Awesome. I've always loved Schwalbe rubber in the first 300 miles or so. Probably take me 5 months or so to get to that on this set, since I'll be riding it 29 as well. My primary bike sees about a 4:1 use to this bike, so I'm not too worried about longevity with the Schwalbe rubber.

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    Got in a decent 18 mile, 3200 ft ride today, the first on the B+ wheels. A little bit of everything - a ~40 minute fire road climb I've done about 10x, another 30 minutes of exploring a mix of ST and FR, a fun flowy single track descent, and a short, steeper, mixed conditions tech descent.

    I crushed my PR on the long climb by almost 8 minutes. I'm fitter than I was and on a more suitable bike (a 6" rear 29er) than on my previous PR, but 8 minutes is a lot. Fire road was steep at points, loose, sometimes sandy and often rutted. I can think of a bunch of spots where both the float and grip of the plus setup was really nice. Would I have been faster overall on my Ardent/Ikon setup? Probably, but I'd guess not by much. That setup is about 400g lighter than this one, so despite some advantages the plus wheels give, I suspect over 38 minutes, lighter wheels might win out.

    The ST descent was really damn fun. Half shaded hardpack, half sunny and steeper loose over hard, grip was on another level. The extra squish in the rear was just the right amount, and that plus float feeling mixed with great grip was a really cool feeling. I tried to get the squirmy feel people talk about, but I was able to break the rear loose before I felt any squirm. I'd drop a few PSI, but probably just as an experiment - dare I say I found a really nice spot on my first ride out. I'd rather drift than deal with squirm.

    By the time I got to the tech descent, I had a pretty good feel for what the bike was going to do in the critical spots - mid speed run outs in silty, sandy, or marbly sections where braking and traction is a priority to get set up for the next section. Riding a HT in sections that might be better suited to a FS, you'd expect the front to kick and crab and the rear to buck, but the extra volume and (again) grip make for a much calmer experience. Obviously, this leads to more confidence, more speed. Not quite FS speed, but better than a normal 29" setup.

    I'm tempted to run the same ride tomorrow with my 29" wheels, but I'll probably take the B+ out to another familiar trail.

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    Right tool for the job, that's the key and a B+ HT on a smoooth fire/gravel road climb is going to be fast. Had the same experience on a climb I know well, when I was very fit back in '07 a 5 min 30 sec time was smoking on my 32lb FS, couple weeks back on the B+ Paradox decided to give a bit of a push to see what I could do, well 5 min 40 secs is what I did an no where near the fitness I had back then.

    Float and that extra little cush is what makes B+ so sweet, that and the fact that most, like us can most likely fit a 2.8" into the rear of our existing 29ers, giving us basically another version of that current bike, maybe even breathing new life into a bike we maybe thought needed upgrading.

    Not sure how low you went with pressures, but with my setup and weighing about 180lbs geared to ride, I've settled on 16 PSI rear and 13 PSI front and I'm very sensitive to squirm. Mine are the Light/Fast casing.
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    I was pretty high on the climbs... Probably 20f/22r. Let a bit out for the descents and when I checked it at home, it was 15f/17r. From what I understand, the NN sidewalls are pretty beefy compared to the WTB. Maybe I have room to move down, but it felt pretty damn good where it was. Any more grip and I'd have trouble breaking it loose (really just getting around to learning to ride that way).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
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    Nice report! I don't think I need to read any more about it, B+ for me!

    I think I'm gonna go with a Hope trials hub, I live in the flats so SS is where it's at (which is why I wanted a N9). I'll need to do some more i35 vs P-35 reading before I choose, then I'll need to pick tires. With the Al frame and SS I might end up in the 25-26lb range.
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    WTB Asym rims build an almost dishless wheel with normal 135/142 rear and 100 front hubs, so if you're using an SS/Short freehub hub, then the benefit might not be there for you since they already do that with a normal, straight drilled rim, but for sure for others running the normal full cassette hubs it makes for a stronger wheel.

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    Nice report! I don't think I need to read any more about it, B+ for me!

    I think I'm gonna go with a Hope trials hub, I live in the flats so SS is where it's at (which is why I wanted a N9). I'll need to do some more i35 vs P-35 reading before I choose, then I'll need to pick tires. With the Al frame and SS I might end up in the 25-26lb range.
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    What's the BB Height on some of these builds with the 2.8 inch NN? Getting any pedal strikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TX_CLG View Post
    What's the BB Height on some of these builds with the 2.8 inch NN? Getting any pedal strikes?
    Drops BB about 1/2". No pedal strikes for me (one ride), running 175mm cranks.

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    How did I miss this thread?

    Expect many sweet pics to follow

    I have been rocking the Nimble 9 B+, but am about to swipe the wheels and throw them on my Riot

    Here is how she is set up right now.

    Atomik Carbon i36 rims with Nobby Nic 2.8's. I seriously wouldn't want anything wider. Thats what my fatbike is for!!

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    B+ Canfield stoke !!-uploadfromtaptalk1459208432805.jpg

    Here is a pic of mine with nobby nics.
    BB height was a touch above 13.25 No issues with pedal strikes. But I did come off a 5" bike with a 13.0" bottom bracket so I might just be used to pedal timing and ratcheting.

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    My plus bikes, a Riot and a EPO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike View Post
    My plus bikes, a Riot and a EPO.
    Lance,

    Which has more clearance for +? Riot, EPO or N9?

    Thanks!

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    EPO Does, The Riot is 75, N9 is 73 and the EPO is 78.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike View Post
    My plus bikes, a Riot and a EPO.
    Get some real meat on those tires!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike View Post
    EPO Does, The Riot is 75, N9 is 73 and the EPO is 78.
    Uh oh Dusty! You know what that means

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Uh oh Dusty! You know what that means

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
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    Did I not tell you that your EPO needed the 650B+ treatment last week?
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    Haha. You did, you did. Dusty and I have been discussing a set for awhile now.

    How would you compare the plus Paradox to the Phantom in terms of smoothing out the roots and small stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    WTB Asym rims build an almost dishless wheel with normal 135/142 rear and 100 front hubs, so if you're using an SS/Short freehub hub, then the benefit might not be there for you since they already do that with a normal, straight drilled rim, but for sure for others running the normal full cassette hubs it makes for a stronger wheel.
    Yeah, that's kinda what I figured. I was hoping there would be more rim choices in the 35-40mm range by now. I've not been keeping up with new products very well, maybe there is? I haven't looked at carbon, and don't think I want to because of the added cost.

    I've got another bike (Bianchi SASS) that I'd like to try the wheels on. I don't think there's room for B+ tires, but I know it'll fit 'normal' 27.5" tires. I don't want to go too wide on the rims, I might decide to keep them on the Bianchi and build another wheelset for the Yelli.
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    Well, there are the new Easton ARC rims that have up to I think 50mm internal width and are drilled center, also Kore has some that look quite interesting, price definitely makes them worth a look. If you stick to an inner width of 35mm, you'll be fine with <3" B+ tyres and also more normal 2.4", but rim could be a tad bit exposed if you've got lots of rocks on the trails you regularly ride.

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    Yeah, that's kinda what I figured. I was hoping there would be more rim choices in the 35-40mm range by now. I've not been keeping up with new products very well, maybe there is? I haven't looked at carbon, and don't think I want to because of the added cost.

    I've got another bike (Bianchi SASS) that I'd like to try the wheels on. I don't think there's room for B+ tires, but I know it'll fit 'normal' 27.5" tires. I don't want to go too wide on the rims, I might decide to keep them on the Bianchi and build another wheelset for the Yelli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Well, there are the new Easton ARC rims that have up to I think 50mm internal width and are drilled center, also Kore has some that look quite interesting, price definitely makes them worth a look. If you stick to an inner width of 35mm, you'll be fine with <3" B+ tyres and also more normal 2.4", but rim could be a tad bit exposed if you've got lots of rocks on the trails you regularly ride.

    I think I found it: Realm P35 Rim - Kore Components


    Maybe WTB will eventually make a symmetrical i35.
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    Available at Universal Cycles, prices make them hard to resist, and going by other Kore products I've used, don't think there should be any problem with the quality.
    https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...?category=5987

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    I think I found it: Realm P35 Rim - Kore Components


    Maybe WTB will eventually make a symmetrical i35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Available at Universal Cycles, prices make them hard to resist, and going by other Kore products I've used, don't think there should be any problem with the quality.
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    Thanks, LyNx! I think I'm probably going to give those a try. My Yelli already has Hope hubs, so I'll just break the 29" wheels down and use them. Then I'll have the option of running a cassette or spacers for SS. I can even try the wheels on the Bianchi and see what tires I can fit on it.

    Not sure if my Reba will work, though. It's at 100mm and needs to be converted to 120mm. It also doesn't look like there'd be much clearance for a B+ tire. Maybe I'll just need to get a 140mm Pike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Available at Universal Cycles, prices make them hard to resist, and going by other Kore products I've used, don't think there should be any problem with the quality.
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    Thanks for the link! Just ordered from there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krigloch View Post
    What about the Yelli?
    How dare you forget about him!

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    Here are a few I have of my Riot with 3 different B+ setups.

    And not to forget about the Yelli, I attached some of him too

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    awesome!
    How's the Pike for those + sizes? More than enough room?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krigloch View Post
    awesome!
    How's the Pike for those + sizes? More than enough room?
    Ya, more than enough

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    Guys, did somebody have good/bad experience running WTB Scraper i45 on Riot?
    My order for Kore Realm P35 was cancelled by UC and WTB Asym 35 are out of stock everywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim0791 View Post
    Guys, did somebody have good/bad experience running WTB Scraper i45 on Riot?
    My order for Kore Realm P35 was cancelled by UC and WTB Asym 35 are out of stock everywhere
    I haven't done much searching, but it looks like these may be available:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    My supplier has them listed as showing up the end of April. These should be a solid rim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vadim0791 View Post
    Guys, did somebody have good/bad experience running WTB Scraper i45 on Riot?
    My order for Kore Realm P35 was cancelled by UC and WTB Asym 35 are out of stock everywhere
    I ran the Scrapers on the Riot with the TrailBlazer tires. On this go around, I will be using and i36 rim and the Nobby Nics. There is not a lot of room, but should be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike View Post
    EPO Does, The Riot is 75, N9 is 73 and the EPO is 78.
    To add the missing frame: 2015 Yelli measures 75mm at the narrowest point. (the welds) In this case the 2.8 NN on I35 rubbed. The owner shaved the side knobs on the NN for better clearance.
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    pity, there aren't much options for a 27.5+ non-china rims that are 36h. all i've seen are just 32h.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    To add the missing frame: 2015 Yelli measures 75mm at the narrowest point. (the welds) In this case the 2.8 NN on I35 rubbed. The owner shaved the side knobs on the NN for better clearance.
    I may have to shave mine on my 2014 Yelli with velocity blunt 35 rims with 2.8 nn it rubs right now when riding. Throwing a 10mm thru axel to see if it stiffens it up

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    Post up your Yelli Screamy that you converted to the B+. I got a little rub issue in the rear hoping the solid rear axel from Dustyduke22 helps with that or might have to cut some nobbies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    My supplier has them listed as showing up the end of April. These should be a solid rim.
    Thanks, Dusty. These may be a little better than the Realms. Now I'm thinking of possibly running a 29+ up front. Since I can convert my fork to 120mm, adding that little bit more tire will help get the BB up higher without having to buy a new fork. The only issue I can think of would be tire clearance on my Reba, I think it's a 2011.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Thanks, Dusty. These may be a little better than the Realms. Now I'm thinking of possibly running a 29+ up front. Since I can convert my fork to 120mm, adding that little bit more tire will help get the BB up higher without having to buy a new fork. The only issue I can think of would be tire clearance on my Reba, I think it's a 2011.
    Ya, that Reba will give you clearance issues. I don't think it will work from what I have seen

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttimpe View Post
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    Are those 2.8 NN's? How much room do you have between the tire and the seat and chain stays?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noosa2 View Post
    Are those 2.8 NN's? How much room do you have between the tire and the seat and chain stays?
    there is a mile of clearance on the seat stays but barley any on the chain stay. When it spins in the stand it doesn't rub but once I make a turn it rubs. 18psi in rear. Gonna try more pressure

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    Is there a good pressure gauge you all recommend for the plus tires? I was reading about gauge inconsistencies, and that some are better suited for low pressure over others. Any advice out there? I've got the NN 2.8's. Thanks!

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    I use a digital gauge I got from Auto Zone. Actually I have two and they are 1/2 psi off from each other. Not a big deal to me but nice to verify with. My pump also has a gauge and it seems really close to the digital readings. Digital is nice because it reads low pressure well. Nice for the dirt bike too, 13 psi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttimpe View Post
    but barley any on the chain stay. When it spins in the stand it doesn't rub but once I make a turn it rubs. 18psi in rear. Gonna try more pressure
    Don't increase the pressure to prevent rubbing. It's rubbing from the wheel deflecting, not from air pressure. You may end up increasing the size of the tire or even stretching the tire larger if you increase the pressure.

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    I use the Topeak one, but in only reads in 1 PSI increments, so you can be at the high or low side of a PSI, but it seems the most popular if you look around the WC Mechs stuff.
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    Three on my B Plus wheels tonight. It's a snug fit, but doable. Maybe 3 or 4mm clearance on both sides with i36 rims and 2.8 Nobby Nic tires.

    We'll see how much it rubs on the trail. Hopefully not. If it does, back to the Ole trusty Breakout 2.5s.

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    Would love to try some B+ tyres on the trails in riding at the moment. The only problem it's super rocky but they aren't sharp. Although I did have a scare with a big drop into a rock garden and manage to bottom my rear carbon rim, not a nice sound.

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    Ok, here are some pics. I hope you guys are not getting tired of these.

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    That's one sweet Riot!

    Is there a consensus on the max internal rim width to fit the various Canfield frames? I am looking at building a wheelset to run the Nobby Nics or Maxxis Rekon+ 2.8 tires with either the Easton ARC 30 or the Stan's Flows MK3's laced to I9 hubs on my 2016 Nimble 9. The ARCs are 30 Internal and 34 External while the Stan's Flow MK3's are 29 Internal and 32.6 External. The both weigh within 10 grams of each other. I would go wider but the clearances for the rims in the 35mm internal width look very tight on everyone's pics. I don't want to trim side knobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc927 View Post
    That's one sweet Riot!

    Is there a consensus on the max internal rim width to fit the various Canfield frames? I am looking at building a wheelset to run the Nobby Nics or Maxxis Rekon+ 2.8 tires with either the Easton ARC 30 or the Stan's Flows MK3's laced to I9 hubs on my 2016 Nimble 9. The ARCs are 30 Internal and 34 External while the Stan's Flow MK3's are 29 Internal and 32.6 External. The both weigh within 10 grams of each other. I would go wider but the clearances for the rims in the 35mm internal width look very tight on everyone's pics. I don't want to trim side knobs.
    I would say i29 or i30 would be safe.

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    I ran i30 on my riot with Nobby Nic 2.8 with no rubbing, sitting or out on the trail

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    So which has the most clearance for B+, 2016 Nimble 9 or 2016 Yelli?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    To add the missing frame: 2015 Yelli measures 75mm at the narrowest point. (the welds) In this case the 2.8 NN on I35 rubbed. The owner shaved the side knobs on the NN for better clearance.
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    EPO Does, The Riot is 75, N9 is 73 and the EPO is 78.
    Here you go

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    Who is running trailblazer tires on your Yelli 2014 model 35mm rim


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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike View Post
    My plus bikes, a Riot and a EPO.
    What size tires are you running on what looks like Scrapers to me? 2.8 trailblazers?
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    anyone ever attempted to go with an even wider rim such as stans hugo?

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    Nimble 9

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    This thing rips corners even better with the off size front and rear tires.

    I'm fired up to do the same thing to a Riot soon!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PattD View Post
    3.0 WTB Bridger front WTB Trail Boss 2.4 rear

    This thing rips corners even better with the off size front and rear tires.

    I'm fired up to do the same thing to a Riot soon!
    trail boss 27.5x2.4? how wide is the rim and how wide the tire?

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    38 external 31.6 internal x 2.4 but measures almost 2.6 width. Seems to work well for me. I ripped my rear tire so threw this one on to ride and ended up keeping it. Ill probably go back to 2.8 but for my size this may be a better option. I was struggling dialing in the psi in back with the 2.8. Either too hard or too wallowy. I'm 250 so it became a delicate balance with too much or too little air pressure. My assumption is that with a Riot I wouldn't have to be so precise on psi in the rear as a hardtail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PattD View Post
    38 external 31.6 internal x 2.4 but measures almost 2.6 width.
    nice width for the trail boss, I've got a 2.5 breakout on a 43mm internal rim and it measures a hair over 2"5/8 (67mm)... looks pretty close.

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    You just saved me some $! I was gonna order a breakout to sneak a little more outta the width but those measurements are close. I rode DH back in the day with a high volume front and narrower rear and loved it. Kinda the same feel here
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    I have the breakout 2.5 in the rear of my Yelli gonna try it out today


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    Breakout on the rear of my EPO. Rolls fast and slides around corners Nicely. It weighs 1100 grams verse the NN 2.8 weighing in at 900 grams. But I got tire rub with the NN out bike.


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    Canfield needs to add some tire clearance, at least make a 2.8 fit. I would totally buy a Riot, but it's not quite wide enough, still on the fence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Canfield needs to add some tire clearance, at least make a 2.8 fit. I would totally buy a Riot, but it's not quite wide enough, still on the fence...
    It's not a plus bike and wasn't designed as such.

    They already made a 29er with a 140mm of rear travel, room for 2.5 inch tires,414mm chainstays and all the while sticking with a 142 hub. Pretty impressive as is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Canfield needs to add some tire clearance, at least make a 2.8 fit. I would totally buy a Riot, but it's not quite wide enough, still on the fence...
    You could have your more tire clearance from Canfield but the bikes would have longer chainstays. Do you want that? The tire falls behind the chainring because of the shortest chain stays in the business so the chainstays have to taper back in to allow room for the crank and chainring. It's not a plus bike. It's not boost.

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    The 27.5 x 2.5 wtb breakout tires are the best on the Yelli


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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    You could have your more tire clearance from Canfield but the bikes would have longer chainstays. Do you want that? The tire falls behind the chainring because of the shortest chain stays in the business so the chainstays have to taper back in to allow room for the crank and chainring. It's not a plus bike. It's not boost.
    Adding 5mm more clearance in each direction, adding more versatility, yeah, I'd take that. An adjustable drop would make everyone happy except maybe the engineers and the weight weenies.

    All that aside, it's in my top five if I don't stick with Foes.

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    That 2.5 Breakout looks to be a solid answer. I'm really enjoying the feel of this bike with this setup. When the Trailboss wears out I'll grab the Breakout
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    I went with WTB Breakout 2.5's on 27.5 WTB Asym i29 rims on my 2012 Yelli frame. Fork is a 2013 RS Revelation, 20mm axle. Clearance is good all around. Roughly measured wheel diameter is a shade over 28". BB is around 12" Yet to hit dirt, but it feels like up and down the block. Not sure what pressure I'm going to land on.

    Edit: I know a 2.5" tire isn't quite B+, but it seems to be a viable option, so I added my setup to this thread. Tread width is right at 2.5, casing a little smaller. I can get more accurate numbers and at what pressures but I figure the setup fits the frame and that's all I need to know. Was tempted to go with the i35 rims, but if I ever want to try the 2.8 Nobby Nic's, I was concerned I could be getting too tight in the chain stays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwrusso View Post
    I went with WTB Breakout 2.5's on 27.5 WTB Asym i29 rims on my 2012 Yelli frame. Fork is a 2013 RS Revelation, 20mm axle. Clearance is good all around. Roughly measured wheel diameter is a shade over 28". BB is around 12" Yet to hit dirt, but it feels like up and down the block. Not sure what pressure I'm going to land on.

    Edit: I know a 2.5" tire isn't quite B+, but it seems to be a viable option, so I added my setup to this thread. Tread width is right at 2.5, casing a little smaller. I can get more accurate numbers and at what pressures but I figure the setup fits the frame and that's all I need to know. Was tempted to go with the i35 rims, but if I ever want to try the 2.8 Nobby Nic's, I was concerned I could be getting too tight in the chain stays.
    I have the breakout 2.5 on 35blunt rims best setup on my Yelli 2014 hooks up good

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    now that you're running and or have tried running your canfields in b+, would you consider going back to a 29er wheelset?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyghost View Post
    now that you're running and or have tried running your canfields in b+, would you consider going back to a 29er wheelset?
    I do, I'm trying the B+ thing but i'm not sold at all.

    I'm also trying a 29x3.0 dirt wizard as a front tire on the 29er wheelset, it's not bad.

    But now, if I had to choose one wheelset only I'm quite sure I'd keep the 29er one (2.4 to 2.5 front & rear)

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    I do, I'm trying the B+ thing but i'm not sold at all.

    I'm also trying a 29x3.0 dirt wizard as a front tire on the 29er wheelset, it's not bad.

    But now, if I had to choose one wheelset only I'm quite sure I'd keep the 29er one (2.4 to 2.5 front & rear)
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    I just ordered my frame, and the spank oozy 345s 27.5 and WTB ranger 2.8s are about to be ordered...

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    Think I found the perfect rear for my B+ Riot- Dual Compound Rekon 2.8. First I had the TB (absolutely zero traction), then the Rocket Ron Snakeskin 2.8 (super grippy but kinda slow and still 2.8"-only .1" clearance.) Moved the RR to the front and replaced the NN, to me the RR has WAY more grip on the side knobs. I wish it has a slightly thicker casing, but I like it a lot more than the NN as a front... nice and rounded still on a i40 rim and the front doesnt wash out anywhere as much as the NN did. As for the Rekon on the rear- the middle rolls fast and the side knobs bite great! And at 2.7" it has .15" chainstay clearance on either side! A lot heavier than the RR at about 840g I think (same as the NN) but the casing inspires more confidence too. Squared off more than the RR too on the i40s which I like on the rear. Might eventually try a 3C Rekon on the front but for now I like the Ron. Love this bike! Still want to try it as a 29er too but I'm having too much fun with the B+ tires for now!
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    Previous setup with the NN Front/RR rear...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyleberry View Post
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    Yeah I wish they made a 3.0 for the front... I might try a 3.0 RR up there instead. The 2.8s are great tires but I do still miss the larger diameter of the 29er tires up front... these are only around 28.25".

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    New question here.

    for a 2014 YS, i'm looking at either having a reckon+ or a nobby nic for my tires, both of which are 27.5x2.8. i do prefer these over trailblazer because of their side knobs.

    back at the LBS, the only rim options available are 35mm or 40mm internal widths - which will i get? any experiences running reckon+ or NN on a YS 2014?

    (the only predicament i wouldn't want to end up with is having only 1 tire or no tire option at all... - which i think everyone doesn't want to end up with)
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    The Rekon would be about 2.7" wide on an i40 rim... I'm liking it so far as a rear tire. I've got a 2.8 NN with about 6 rides I'd sell you if you want... also a brand new 2.8 Rocket Ron Snakeskin (bought from England). Its a nice tire too! 35 or 40mm rims- either would be fine... pm me if you're interested!

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    ... which leads me to think... if i extend the internal width to 45mm, what will my tire options be?

    gut feeling tells me that rekon or NN will scrape the chainstays and/or seatstays of a YS 2014

    (eyeing on https://sun-ringle.com/mtb/rims/mulefut-50sl/)
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    Id stick to a 35i rim, your going to have way better clearance and more tire options.
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    I did find one minor disadvantage when fitting a plus size to a 29er even though I haven't made it yet...

    I'm still using a Maxxis HRii 2.3 in my YS 2014 mounted in an i25 rim. At the night before I went out for a ride, tropical rain poured down and made the trail sticky wet, similar to below (not my pic, but you get the idea...).


    Even with the amount of clearance I have in the rear triangle and fork (pike), I reached a point wherein the rear won't turn anymore due to the amount of mud build up on the chainstays. (sorry no pic, I left my phone in the car, but then, i know you get the idea).

    Now, part of me is imagining that if it were a 2.8 tire, which has smaller clearance, then the build up could been quicker due to the tires being nearer the triangle.

    ... though part of me still want's to have a 27.5 plus for dry summer days and just for the heck of it

    * don't mean to crash, but looking at the spez fuze, the geo is 'near' the geo of a YS, which really encourages me even more to go for an additional wheelset
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    I have some brand new (less than 15 miles on them) 27.5+ wheels and tires I'd be willing to trade for 29er's if anyone is looking to give 27+ a try.

    WTB KOM i25 (15x100 / 9x135 qr)
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    Not sure this 27.5+ thing suits my local trails. No junk please. PM me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troycad View Post
    I have some brand new (less than 15 miles on them) 27.5+ wheels and tires I'd be willing to trade for 29er's if anyone is looking to give 27+ a try.

    WTB KOM i25 (15x100 / 9x135 qr)
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    Not sure this 27.5+ thing suits my local trails. No junk please. PM me.

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    In all.fairness to the plus.thing.....you're really only putting wide 27.5 tires on a 29er. The i25 width is too narrow to get any of the benefits of the plus size tires and I'm running 2.5 Breakouts on my 27.5 trailbike with rims that are 32 internal. There's a huge difference.with.2.8 tires on a minimum of 35 internal rim width. I'm not suggesting you go invest in another set but you're not getting the traction benefits with your set up. FWIA. Cheers!
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    Anyone using a maxxis rekon on i45 rim as a rear tire on either Epo or Riot? Is there clearance enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    Anyone using a maxxis rekon on i45 rim as a rear tire on either Epo or Riot? Is there clearance enough?
    Fwiw - I'm using Atomik Chubbie rims which are i36 with NN 2.8's on my EPO and there is about 3-4mm on each side at the nearest point of the chain stays. I wouldn't go any wider on the rims with these tires. I hear the rekons and ikon 2.8's are narrower than the NN's so there may be some hope to running that combo.

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    Before I pull the trigger on plus rim, has anybody used an i40 in a YS 2014? How was the clearance on a 2.8 tire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyghost View Post
    what made you choose to to back?
    The biggest reason I'm thinking of going back is just variety. I've got a Bronson that I'm running 27.5x2.4's on. Thought it would be cool to try 27.5 on Screamy, but think I like the variety of having a hardtail 29er for different trails better than having similar wheel sizes.

    I know the 2.5's are not necessarily considered + but the WTB Breakouts have such a high side profile I've had no problems with BB being too low and they do have mad traction when running lower PSI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    Here are a few I have of my Riot with 3 different B+ setups.

    And not to forget about the Yelli, I attached some of him too

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    Could you share tire sizes and a pic of the clearance on that Riot?

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    I've got a Riot set up as B+. I have the WTB i35's with 2.8 NN's. I'm now running into rear tire rub on the stays, especially when seated while mashing. I'm trying to find alternative solutions without going all the way back to 29er. Do the Maxxis tires that are 2.8's run narrower than the NN's? I've put maybe 60 - 80 miles on the NN's and they keep stretching out.

    The front isn't an issue as I have a boost fork. I might consider going with the NN 2.6's, but that's getting into a whole other area with dropping the BB. Has anyone had any success with lower volume 27.5 tires or perhaps even going with 2.8 Maxxis tires? Hoping the solution is as simple as just swapping the tires instead of going back to 29".

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpolism View Post
    I've got a Riot set up as B+. I have the WTB i35's with 2.8 NN's. I'm not running into rear tire rub on the stays, especially when seated while mashing. I'm trying to find alternative solutions without going all the way back to 29er. Do the Maxxis tires that are 2.8's run narrower than the NN's? I've put maybe 60 - 80 miles on the NN's and they keep stretching out.

    The front isn't an issue as I have a boost fork. I might consider going with the NN 2.6's, but that's getting into a whole nothing area with dropping the BB. Has anyone had any success with lower volume 27.5 tires or perhaps even going with 2.8 Maxxis tires? Hoping the solution is as simple as just swapping the tires instead of going back to 29".
    I was also getting occasional rubbing on my Riot with a 2.8 NN on a 30mm internal rim. I swapped in a WTB Breakout 2.5, which offers plenty of clearance (8mm narrower per my calipers) with no significant difference in diameter. I haven't tried the Maxxis tires, but most of what I've seen suggests they're 3-4 mm narrower than the Schwalbe's so my guess is they'd work.

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    Yelli Classic, WTB i35 rims, Trailblazer rear, 2.8 NN in Pikes at the front.

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    Holy eff Batman. Looks sick. How's the clearance with the Rekon on the back? I want the same setup for my EPO.


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    2016 Nimble 9

    New ss build. Should be a fun whip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkbrad View Post
    New ss build. Should be a fun whip.

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    Holy wow! Great looking build. Love it completely de-decal'd. Awesome!

    Side note, what size frame is that? It's the new boost frame, right?


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    Thanks. It is a medium, 2016, boost frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkbrad View Post
    Thanks. It is a medium, 2016, boost frame.
    That would be the 2017 Boost frame then. 2016 was still the standard 142x12 TA...
    Have the same color in the rack and was thinking doing Purple myself for accent color... wasn't sure how it would look till now.... looks awesome!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    Holy eff Batman. Looks sick. How's the clearance with the Rekon on the back? I want the same setup for my EPO.


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    I didn't realize that the boost frames were 2017s. Pretty stoked on the build. Rides like an overgrown bmx bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post


    It's a nice amount.

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    Perfect. Thanks for the pics. Tire choices are so rad these days.


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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    Perfect. Thanks for the pics. Tire choices are so rad these days.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mkbrad View Post
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    Looks sweet! What rim width and how is clearance on the rear with that Rekon?
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    Has anyone tried maxxis high roller 2.8s and gotten an accurate measurement of the width?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Looks sweet! What rim width and how is clearance on the rear with that Rekon?
    The (apparently) 2017 frames have boost spacing. Canfield recommends 2.8 tires on 35mm (inner) width rims. Sooooo....that's what I used. Plenty of clearance. The 2.8s ride a lot like 'normal' tires. I'm also using a fork with boost spacing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkbrad View Post
    The (apparently) 2017 frames have boost spacing. Canfield recommends 2.8 tires on 35mm (inner) width rims. Sooooo....that's what I used. Plenty of clearance. The 2.8s ride a lot like 'normal' tires. I'm also using a fork with boost spacing.
    Boost is a hub sizing standard with wider spoke flanges to correct spoke angle on bigger wheels for added strength. A bonus to this is the ability to run wider tires and rims without clearance issues all while allowing short chain stay lengths. Canfield says that their rear triangle has the ability to be able to accept a 2.8 tire fine but still uses standard 142 spacing. I equate this to the bros building bikes that can handle aggressive rubber with adequate spacing, not them going along with industry trends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_street View Post
    Boost is a hub sizing standard with wider spoke flanges to correct spoke angle on bigger wheels for added strength. A bonus to this is the ability to run wider tires and rims without clearance issues all while allowing short chain stay lengths. Canfield says that their rear triangle has the ability to be able to accept a 2.8 tire fine but still uses standard 142 spacing. I equate this to the bros building bikes that can handle aggressive rubber with adequate spacing, not them going along with industry trends.
    Actually, the new nimble 9 has been refreshed with boost spacing 148 rear and extended reach. You are correct for previous frames at 142 can handle 2.8, but there is a new generation of the N9.


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    Quote Originally Posted by A_street View Post
    Boost is a hub sizing standard with wider spoke flanges to correct spoke angle on bigger wheels for added strength. A bonus to this is the ability to run wider tires and rims without clearance issues all while allowing short chain stay lengths. Canfield says that their rear triangle has the ability to be able to accept a 2.8 tire fine but still uses standard 142 spacing. I equate this to the bros building bikes that can handle aggressive rubber with adequate spacing, not them going along with industry trends.

    I'm pretty sure that the new boost hubs (148mm) are roughly 6mm wider than the 142mm hubs, which provide for a wider spoke flange etc.....but who really cares? Bikes are fun.

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    Need help deciding between B+ and 29 wide on my 2015 Yelli.

    Currently running 29x2.4 On One Chunky Monkeys (measures as a true 2.4) on stans Arch rims (~21 mm internal).

    For tight/slow/soft technical trails I run ~15psi front and ~18-19psi rear and am fairly happy with the setup. Problem I have is I also ride some very fast flowy/jumpy trails with very grippy berms in the corners, and I have to air up to about 25 psi front/30+ psi rear just to keep the tires from squirming and completely folding over in the berms. That leaves the ride a bit harsh for the high speed roots and rock gardens.

    I am planning on upgrading to some ~35i rims, but not sure whether going with 35i and my current 29x2.4 tires is going to give me enough volume and sidewall support to lower the psi to smooth out the ride without folding the tires over.

    Am I better off going with 35i rims and a 27x2.8 tire?

    Seems like B+ tire choices are still fairly limited and very expensive for tires with reasonable weight and aggressive enough tread to an all-rounder.

    Also, this is my PNW winter bike so still need a reasonable amount of mud clearance since I won't be seeing any dry trails for 6 or 7 months of the year.

    Any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twd953 View Post
    Need help deciding between B+ and 29 wide on my 2015 Yelli.

    Currently running 29x2.4 On One Chunky Monkeys (measures as a true 2.4) on stans Arch rims (~21 mm internal).

    For tight/slow/soft technical trails I run ~15psi front and ~18-19psi rear and am fairly happy with the setup. Problem I have is I also ride some very fast flowy/jumpy trails with very grippy berms in the corners, and I have to air up to about 25 psi front/30+ psi rear just to keep the tires from squirming and completely folding over in the berms. That leaves the ride a bit harsh for the high speed roots and rock gardens.

    I am planning on upgrading to some ~35i rims, but not sure whether going with 35i and my current 29x2.4 tires is going to give me enough volume and sidewall support to lower the psi to smooth out the ride without folding the tires over.

    Am I better off going with 35i rims and a 27x2.8 tire?

    Seems like B+ tire choices are still fairly limited and very expensive for tires with reasonable weight and aggressive enough tread to an all-rounder.

    Also, this is my PNW winter bike so still need a reasonable amount of mud clearance since I won't be seeing any dry trails for 6 or 7 months of the year.

    Any suggestions?
    Well, you're in b+ thread, so you're going to get a lot of support for b+ conversion. As you mentioned, the issues are going to be mud clearance, psi and tire roll. At the end of the day, a 35mm 29 set with a beefy 2.4-2.5 sounds like the best of both worlds for you. I ride 2.4s on 29im set and it really helps you get the full benefit of the beefy tire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacobray View Post
    a 35mm 29 set with a beefy 2.4-2.5 sounds like the best of both worlds for you.
    ^This. I was very interested in going B+ on my Yelli, but decided I like how it rides with 29" wheels, plus I didn't want to drop the BB any lower.
    I've got a Chunky Monkey on front and a Geax Saguaro on back. I plan on eventually building some new wheels with ARC 30s or 35s, and hopefully finding some tires a bit bigger than 2.4, maybe as big as 2.6 if they'll fit.

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    Back to more stoke:

    I got my boost fork in yesterday and swapped them last night.

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    Haven't gotten to hit the trails yet, but I've been playing around the house on it. I think it's gonna be a blast!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacobray View Post
    Back to more stoke:

    I got my boost fork in yesterday and swapped them last night.

    2013 Nimble 9 142mm a stretched over 148 hubs
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    Haven't gotten to hit the trails yet, but I've been playing around the house on it. I think it's gonna be a blast!



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    Still using the 142. It threads in about 1/2" still, so I feel pretty comfortable with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacobray View Post
    Still using the 142. It threads in about 1/2" still, so I feel pretty comfortable with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacobray View Post
    Well, you're in b+ thread, so you're going to get a lot of support for b+ conversion. As you mentioned, the issues are going to be mud clearance, psi and tire roll. At the end of the day, a 35mm 29 set with a beefy 2.4-2.5 sounds like the best of both worlds for you. I ride 2.4s on 29im set and it really helps you get the full benefit of the beefy tire.

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    Yeah, you're probably right.

    Unfortunately I don't know anybody currently running a B+ setup to give it a try, and I'm not willing to drop $400 on new rims, tires and spokes just to find out whether I like it.

    I will probably buy a 35i 29er rim and re-lace my rear wheel to start. I can do that for about $100 to see if it makes enough of an improvement.

    Worst case, I end up with an improved 29er wheelset, which I would want to keep on hand even if I went B+ down the road.

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    What is your current inside width of your rim?

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    Need help deciding between B+ and 29 wide on my 2015 Yelli.

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    Finally posting pictures. Been setup this way for a while now. Cleaned her up to sell.

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    Just my opinion, i35 is too wide if you aren't going into plus size tires. The profile of the tire squares off and the tread is not used as intended by the manufacturer. Going from i21 to ~i30 will give you a noticeable advantage without being to extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_street View Post
    Just my opinion, i35 is too wide if you aren't going into plus size tires. The profile of the tire squares off and the tread is not used as intended by the manufacturer. Going from i21 to ~i30 will give you a noticeable advantage without being to extreme.
    What about running + tires on i30 rims? Is this the middle-ground rim size where one could run + size or just regular wide (e.g., 2.3-2.5) tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Oldschool View Post
    What about running + tires on i30 rims? Is this the middle-ground rim size where one could run + size or just regular wide (e.g., 2.3-2.5) tires?
    Ibis cycles runs i35 wheels on all their bikes. And they seem to know what they are doing. I feel i35 is Great for 2.3-2.8" tires


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    Quote Originally Posted by A_street View Post
    Just my opinion, i35 is too wide if you aren't going into plus size tires. The profile of the tire squares off and the tread is not used as intended by the manufacturer. Going from i21 to ~i30 will give you a noticeable advantage without being to extreme.
    Will keep that in mind. While the wider rim should square up the tire profile a bit, that isn't necessarily a bad thing on the rear depending on the tire you run. The tires I'm running have a pretty rounded profile, so I'm not too concerned going 35i in back.

    I don't like square-ish tires up front, so I will probably try the 35i in back and see how the tire profile looks before committing on the front, and go with 30i there if it looks too square.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyghost View Post
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    they are Funn Full On 750 wide with a 30mm rise. Very good bar and super cheap from CRC. The stem a Funn Funnduro from CRC also.

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    For my winter project I am building a B+ 2016 YS with a 140mm Pike (100x15) up front. Looking at going with Spank Oozy Trail 395+ (i35) rims and Rekon 2.8 tires. Anybody running a similar setup? Any clearance issues?

    Any input is appreciated.

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    My buddy has the same setup and has plenty of clearance on his N9. Those Rekons aren't a true 2.8 so you should be fine.
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    do you guys think the wtb asym i29 is a good option to put on a first generation yelli? I want to try B+ without breaking the bank and I have the chance to buy this rear wheel for $160. Ideally, I want to go with the i.35 but then I'd have to get something built and can't do it as cheap

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpfitness View Post
    do you guys think the wtb asym i29 is a good option to put on a first generation yelli? I want to try B+ without breaking the bank and I have the chance to buy this rear wheel for $160. Ideally, I want to go with the i.35 but then I'd have to get something built and can't do it as cheap
    I'm running 29im roval traverse fattie's with chupacabra 2.8s. They were take offs and a cheap way for me to get into it at $250 for the set. Are they perfect? Probably not. Do they work and am I having a blast on them? Absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacobray View Post
    I'm running 29im roval traverse fattie's with chupacabra 2.8s. They were take offs and a cheap way for me to get into it at $250 for the set. Are they perfect? Probably not. Do they work and am I having a blast on them? Absolutely.
    great info. Those would be an awesome option for me if only they had 32 spokes :-( Love that rovals have the DT internals

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpfitness View Post
    great info. Those would be an awesome option for me if only they had 32 spokes :-( Love that rovals have the DT internals
    Yeah 32 rears and 28 fronts. Surprising that they put these on stumpjumpers. But they've held up great for me so far.

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    I am running 2.3 minions (DHF/DHR) on 40 inside rim ("Smokin' gun" wheelset) and I never felt as good as with this combo ever
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    A quick pic of our last St George trip on the Riot. Set up B+ with Derby runs and Maxxis 2.8 rubber.

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    heres my 2017 Boosted N9.... running Atomik Carbon Chubbies with Maxxis rubber... super fun geo on the new version!!!





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    This thread has been pretty quiet lately, but I hope someone can give me some advice on my wheel situation.

    I have a 2016 EPO with MRP Stage 29er fork. Currently, I'm running 27.5 Spank Oozy 295 wheels (with i25mm) with WTB Ranger 2.8s front and rear.

    I needed new tires, so I bought 2.8 a Minion DHF and a 2.8 DHR II, but they shipped with a card that says they have to be mounted on a minimum i39mm rim. So...

    1. Will the new tires work on my current wheels, without rub and without unmanageable squirm?

    2. What is the widest rim that I can get away with on the EPO using my new tires without rub (The Bros recommended no wider than 35mm external)

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    I have ran the Ranger 2.8's as well as the DHF 2.8's, both on i30 rims. If you didn't have a problem with the Ranger then you should have no issue with the DHF as they aren't any larger or wider from what I experienced. In fact I think my measurements were with the Rangers being like 1mm wider if I remember correctly. The DHF's do have a whole heck of a lot more traction though! I had a lot of wash-out issues with the Ranger when I pushed it hard. To be fair, I feel as though the Ranger really needs to be on a wider rim to take full advantage of it. The Maxxis plus tires have been performing great for me on i30's. I cannot comment about how big is too big for your frame though as I'm running these on my Riot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpyandhisBike View Post
    I cannot comment about how big is too big for your frame though as I'm running these on my Riot.
    Thanks! I think the Riot has 75mm internal width at dropouts and EPO has 78mm.

    I'm planning to lace wider hoops when I have a little extra $$$, but will run the Minions as-is for now. I lived in Pennsylvania until January and then moved to Duvall, WA. My Rangers were great at around 20psi back East, but once I moved West, I found they squirmed a lot on corners at lower pressures. I'm hoping wider rims will correct that.

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    If you were happy with the Rangers, chances are you'll be happy with the Minions, that being said, for me I like anything PLUS on i35> or wider or you have to run pressures way too high or get tyre squirm/roll. My current B+ rim of choice for 2.8" is the WTB Asym i35, if I was running 3.0">, I'd bump up to an i40 to i45. Just got a SHF 29x3.0" and I have it on a Dually45 (39mmm internal) and I honestly wouldn't want it on anything wider as right now the casing it just a smidge narrower the the knobs.


    Quote Originally Posted by callmesb View Post
    This thread has been pretty quiet lately, but I hope someone can give me some advice on my wheel situation.
    I have a 2016 EPO with MRP Stage 29er fork. Currently, I'm running 27.5 Spank Oozy 295 wheels (with i25mm) with WTB Ranger 2.8s front and rear. I needed new tires, so I bought 2.8 a Minion DHF and a 2.8 DHR II, but they shipped with a card that says they have to be mounted on a minimum i39mm rim. So...

    1. Will the new tires work on my current wheels,
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    Put this up in the plus forum but figured I'd toss it around here two.

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    Anyone have any experience running a 27.5 setup on a riot with a DVO diamond non boost 29 fork? Currently on a 29x2.5 maxxis minon dhf and its very tight. Just trying to figure out a 27.5 semi + setup.

    TIA!

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    I will be running Syntace W35 rims (35 wide) on my 2017 Balance with CaneCreek Helm (110x15 spacing in front). Any advice on the rubber? I was thinking 2.5 WTB Convict OR Maxxis DHF 2.5 in front and Maxxis DHR 2.4 in the rear.

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    Dusty Duke's I got a 2017 Riot and I'm looking to buy a set of WTB i35 29er rims an match them up with some DHF 2.5 wt. Do you think that all be OK with this set up with NO rubs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboWolf 29er View Post
    Dusty Duke's I got a 2017 Riot and I'm looking to buy a set of WTB i35 29er rims an match them up with some DHF 2.5 wt. Do you think that all be OK with this set up with NO rubs?
    I'd try the 2.5" WTs on your existing i29 Flows to see if they'll fit. I don't think 6mm extra inner width will make much difference. I could be wrong, tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    I'd try the 2.5" WTs on your existing i29 Flows to see if they'll fit. I don't think 6mm extra inner width will make much difference. I could be wrong, tho.
    Yeah but those are the old flow ex's w/i25 inners. With an updated sticker Lol...So i'll be going up 10mm extra an i really what to Go all in if I'm going to get all new wheelset! I've Used the dhf WT on the flow ex and they are my favorite and Maxxis is coming out with a bunch of WT tires soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboWolf 29er View Post
    Yeah but those are the old flow ex's w/i25 inners. With an updated sticker Lol...So i'll be going up 10mm extra an i really what to Go all in if I'm going to get all new wheelset! I've Used the dhf WT on the flow ex and they are my favorite and Maxxis is coming out with a bunch of WT tires soon.
    Ah, I see now, thought those rims looked a bit different than the MK3. Looks like you got the clearance in the fork at least.

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    This is a good article that shows the affects of a few internal mm in a rim and how it affects the profile. It is kinda marketing bs, but it shows how the wt tread is designed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_street View Post
    This is a good article that shows the affects of a few internal mm in a rim and how it affects the profile. It is kinda marketing bs, but it shows how the wt tread is designed.

    Wide Trail (WT) Design | Maxxis Tires USA
    Yeah the 35mm rim and the WT tires definitely look wider then the rest but it doesn't look like that much. My plan is to run wtb i35 29er rims WT Minion up front and WT aggressor out back.
    Nice visual though! Stans website has some kind of visual tire diagram they call it wideright Lol. To sell their new line of wider rims.
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    I'm running a 26x2.8" DHF on a i29 Flow MK3 and I like it so far, seems to be a great combo even tho Maxxis says i39 minimum for their 2.8s, lol. Sometimes you gotta jump in and try things out for yourself. Lotsa good info around here if you do some digging.

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    I'm getting the itch again to try B+ on my Yelli. I really do like it with 29s tho, might try a similar inner width rim (i29) to replace my Arch Exs and pair with some Maxxis WTs.
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    I recently purchased and recieved a Canfield Nimble 9 frame.

    Initially, I was planning on building it up as a 29er, but after a recent ride on my Karate Monkey 29er, I'm thinking a 27.5+ setup might be a little more forgiving.

    Does anybody have any comments on a Nimble 9 setup as a 27.5+ vs a 29er? Which do you prefer?

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    What about runnning a 2.6" tire back and a 2.8" tire front, maybe extending fork to raise bb? Make the Riot into a 27.5 bike without the plus? Maybe even 2.6 front, don't know what the resulting BB height would be compared to the 2.8 combos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sriracha View Post
    I recently purchased and recieved a Canfield Nimble 9 frame.

    Initially, I was planning on building it up as a 29er, but after a recent ride on my Karate Monkey 29er, I'm thinking a 27.5+ setup might be a little more forgiving.

    Does anybody have any comments on a Nimble 9 setup as a 27.5+ vs a 29er? Which do you prefer?
    . I just built one recently myself. I did it with 2.8 reckons. I haven’t ridden it with 29er but I’ve ridden my buddy’s 29 nimble and I like min better. I also have a 29 epo and I find myself liking the nimble better every ride I have on it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Raleighguy29 View Post
    . I just built one recently myself. I did it with 2.8 reckons. I haven’t ridden it with 29er but I’ve ridden my buddy’s 29 nimble and I like min better. I also have a 29 epo and I find myself liking the nimble better every ride I have on it.



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    Just bought some Spank 395s for 50% off on chainreaction to see what the B+ is all about. Is the 2.8 Rekon still the preferred tire?

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    How does it ride set up that way? Plenty of clearance? Been considering this.

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    Hi sorry for any multiple questions. Where you ultimately happy with this build? Would you change anything? And what type/size is your fork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by evan9r View Post
    Just bought some Spank 395s for 50% off on chainreaction to see what the B+ is all about. Is the 2.8 Rekon still the preferred tire?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky697 View Post
    How does it ride set up that way? Plenty of clearance? Been considering this.

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    Hi sorry for any multiple questions. Where you ultimately happy with this build? Would you change anything? And what type/size is your fork?
    Thanks Mike in Ohio
    I have a 2016 n9, i believe this was the first year the nimble was officially b+ compatible. I originally built it up with race face arc 35’s with shwalbe rocket rons 2.8 and found the clearance too tight with occasional tire rub. I since switched to a maxxis rekon and it fits perfect with good clearance. I have my rear wheel back slightly about 1/4” from slammed. The little bit keeps it lively without to much twitch and some added stability going down. Up front i went with a boost pike so no issues. Overall i like this bike as a b+ rig for the quicker handling and playfulness. The bigger tires add some additional compliance taking some more sting out of the trail. Only negative i can think of is the slight bb drop with occasional pedal strikes. As a 29er i never had issue with strikes. Great bike!
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    Agreed. The Yelli is now my secondary bike so the little that I have rode it, it feels great. I am not sure why it took me so long to try B+. Much softer ride overall and more playfulness.

    I went with the 2.8 Rekon in the rear and it has just enough clearance. It has slightly less clearance on the drive side for some reason but I have not felt it rub yet. The front is a 2.8 DHF inside a MRP Ribbon Coil with plenty of room to spare.

    The Spank rims are nice for the price but I wish they had a slightly higher POE.

    Total was around $530 for rims, tires, and sealant. $15 for a boost adapter kit.

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