27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!- Mtbr.com
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 200 of 279
  1. #1
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849

    27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!..Updated with final pics

    With the new tires sizes coming out for the new year, I decided to play around with my N9 build. Picked up a set of WTB Trail Blazer 2.8" tires and put them on my Blunt SL rims. Not the ideal set up but gave me a good idea where this would take the bike with the proper 50/51mm rim. It has really changed how the bike flows and reduces the rear end bounce when hitting the ruff sections. I will definitely be getting the wider rim as soon as possible. There is about .25" tire clearance on the driveside chainstay. (the tightest area) This has taken a fun bike already and elevated it to a unreal ride! As built below using a 150mm 27.5 Fox Talas the BB height is 12.25" running 170mm crank arms. Plans are to put a 3.1" tire on front and leave the 2.8" tire on the rear..

    Last edited by rsullivan; 11-11-2014 at 05:09 PM.

  2. #2
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Fix the Spade's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    2,749
    That looks great, the bb is higher than I would have thought even with the bigger than normal tyres.

    Fat tyres look like the future!

  3. #3
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    539
    Nice!I wonder if the N9 or YS has more clearance?Would run that tire on my yelli if it fit!

  4. #4
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    tell you what. .. I can try it out in my Yelli tonight. ...well as soon as my buddy brings the N9 back from a demo ride. ..lol will post up as soon as possible

  5. #5
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    539
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    tell you what. .. I can try it out in my Yelli tonight. ...well as soon as my buddy brings the N9 back from a demo ride. ..lol will post up as soon as possible
    Awesome!Thank you!

  6. #6
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    539
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    tell you what. .. I can try it out in my Yelli tonight. ...well as soon as my buddy brings the N9 back from a demo ride. ..lol will post up as soon as possible
    I guess your buddy doesn't want to give the N9 back after the demo ride.LOL Can't blame him!

  7. #7
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Yea... he brought it back after a extended night ride!!! Will throw it in today when home from work. His comments on the ride was "it was smooth and fast in the corners...almost too fast!" The larger tires really helped dampen the chatter in the rear which plague most hard tail bikes!!! Looking forward to the 50+mm rims

  8. #8
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    Yelli update!!!???

    This is what I'm excited about too!!!

  9. #9
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Got a chance to put the 2.8 650b+ wheel in the Yelli... It appears the rear end is the same as the Nimble 9. The seat stays have about 1/2" clearance on both sides and the Chainstays are a little tighter with 3/8" on non drive and 1/4" on drive side. So the plans will be 2.8" in rear and 3.0" in front. Still going to be a fun build to ride!!!!

  10. #10
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    539
    Thank you!That is awesome!Did you get some pics?My yelli is a 2014 so i imagine they are all the same?Time to order some rims!I want a vee 3.2 in the front.I have high hopes that when the fs yelli is available it will have clearance for the 3.2.Thanks again Ryan!

  11. #11
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    No sorry no pics.... the fit was almost identical to the N9. My Yelli is also the 2014/15 Transparent Blue... Have fun with your conversion!!!

  12. #12
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    539
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    No sorry no pics.... the fit was almost identical to the N9. My Yelli is also the 2014/15 Transparent Blue... Have fun with your conversion!!!
    Thanks, it will be a blast for sure!Gonna go with some Derby carbons I think.I hope the vee tire is available soon also.You were definitely the leader on the Canfield conversions.Much appreciated and enjoy!

  13. #13
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    No sorry no pics.... the fit was almost identical to the N9. My Yelli is also the 2014/15 Transparent Blue... Have fun with your conversion!!!
    So just to confirm - the fit of the B+ wheel/tire combo was good to go with ample room on the Yelli - yes?

    Even if you went to rims like Duallys or Derby Carbons? Or Hugos? Or not so much with those wider rims?

  14. #14
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
    So just to confirm - the fit of the B+ wheel/tire combo was good to go with ample room on the Yelli - yes?

    Even if you went to rims like Duallys or Derby Carbons? Or Hugos? Or not so much with those wider rims?
    I am positive with the 40mm rim it would be fine .... The 50mm rim "might" be a little tigh on the drive side chainstay,

  15. #15
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    327
    I've been thinking about doing 27+ or 29+ on my N9 (SS) or YS (1x10) for winter, so this is great news. Has anybody tried a 29+ Knard with sliders on an N9 all the way back for clearance?
    "You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning." ShakyPuddin

  16. #16
    mtbr member
    Reputation: savo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    790
    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
    So just to confirm - the fit of the B+ wheel/tire combo was good to go with ample room on the Yelli - yes?

    Even if you went to rims like Duallys or Derby Carbons? Or Hugos? Or not so much with those wider rims?
    I took some measurement on my 2011 Yelli and it looks like the WTB 2.8 would only fit with room if paired with a narrow rim, it would have a poor clearance on 35mm rims and it would not fit at all mounted on 45/50mm rims.

    I do not have the tire, i'm basing on what i read on twentynineinches.com reviews and on the measurement I took on my frame.

  17. #17
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    539

    Wink

    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
    So just to confirm - the fit of the B+ wheel/tire combo was good to go with ample room on the Yelli - yes?

    Even if you went to rims like Duallys or Derby Carbons? Or Hugos? Or not so much with those wider rims?

    I was thinking it would work with the derby or even the nextie.rsullivan seems to confirm this.I wonder if I could clearance the drive side stay just a tad?

  18. #18
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    That looks great, the bb is higher than I would have thought even with the bigger than normal tyres.

    Fat tyres look like the future!
    He also has a 150mm fork on there...
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  19. #19
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    I have a pair of the new WTB 650b+ rims with my name on them as soon as they are available. I am on a new Yelli, so as soon as I have a set built for my bike, I will report back.
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  20. #20
    mtbr member
    Reputation: OldHouseMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    4,428
    Looks good! I've been thinking about doing this to my gen1 N9, but I'm having a tough time finding a 27.5 suspension with a 1 1/8 steerer. Any ideas?

  21. #21
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Looks good! I've been thinking about doing this to my gen1 N9, but I'm having a tough time finding a 27.5 suspension with a 1 1/8 steerer. Any ideas?
    I think it may be best to focus on using a 29er fork with a wide rim and B+ tire anyway - Just sayin.........not sure B+ will clear all 27.5 forks with much mud/gunk clearance - although I see the original poster is using a 27.5 specific fox (wonder how much room he has in the arch?).

  22. #22
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    currently there is a lot of room in the arch but not sure how much when I put the new velocity Dually rims on it... I think they are 49mm wide so should be ok. as far as the travel on the fork.. have ran it in 130mm and 150... prefer 150

  23. #23
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    358
    So radical Ryan!!! We have been talking about this for a while, but you inspired us, we have tires on order and will post up pics of some various set-ups when we get them in stock!

  24. #24
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Quote Originally Posted by gollub01 View Post
    So radical Ryan!!! We have been talking about this for a while, but you inspired us, we have tires on order and will post up pics of some various set-ups when we get them in stock!
    Thanks Sean!!! Still waiting to hear from Velocity on the Dually rim being available... As you already I am stoked on running Canfield products and always enjoy finding new ways to ride them...

  25. #25
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    539
    Quote Originally Posted by gollub01 View Post
    So radical Ryan!!! We have been talking about this for a while, but you inspired us, we have tires on order and will post up pics of some various set-ups when we get them in stock!
    Sean, looking forward to this!I hope you grab the new vee 3.25 so you can see how much clearance will be needed for the new yelli squishy!LOL And thanks again Ryan for leading the way on this!

  26. #26
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    Thanks Sean!!! Still waiting to hear from Velocity on the Dually rim being available... As you already I am stoked on running Canfield products and always enjoy finding new ways to ride them...
    Pretty sure the Dually rims are available in 650b now - based on an entry in the 27.5 forum by seely

  27. #27
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Yea, saw that after I posted...just too lazy to correct..lol

  28. #28
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MikenIke's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    143
    When you get them mounted it would be great if you could post dimensions of carcass width and overall height. I'm working on a similar build. TIA

  29. #29
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Quote Originally Posted by MikenIke View Post
    When you get them mounted it would be great if you could post dimensions of carcass width and overall height. I'm working on a similar build. TIA
    sure can

  30. #30
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    358

    N9 + 2.8" = whole lotta fun

    We got the 2.8" TrailBlazers on the N9....Its pretty awesome! Just added a bunch of "cush" to the ride and like Ryan says, it does take a lot of the "hop" out of a hardtail wheel on rough terrain. Check out the clearance! Mounted on our 28mm wide rims (that's what we had on hand).

    Canfield Brothers Nimble 9, WTB Trail Blazer 2.8, 27.5 Wheels

  31. #31
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    My Dually rims from Velocity are finally here... will pick them up from the shop on Saturday and start swapping them over... Really can't wait to ride it with the tires opened to full size!!!

  32. #32
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    539
    Thanks for the pics Sean!You guys gonna do a ys also?Like the idea of more cush like Ryan said.Take some of the edge of the chop for my aging body!Lol

  33. #33
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MikenIke's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    143
    What kind of fork is that on the nimble? I hAve to buy a new fork and want lots of room.

  34. #34
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MikenIke's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    143
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    My Dually rims from Velocity are finally here... will pick them up from the shop on Saturday and start swapping them over... Really can't wait to ride it with the tires opened to full size!!!
    Can't wait to see it, I got my wheel builder on standby hoping the dimensions will fit in my frame. Trying to do the Dually/Trailblazer setup as well.
    I test fitted a 29x2.3 wheel/tire in my rear triangle and had plenty of room.

  35. #35
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Quote Originally Posted by MikenIke View Post
    What kind of fork is that on the nimble? I hAve to buy a new fork and want lots of room.
    On mine it is a 27.5 Fox 34 150mm travel. I think Sean's is a Marzocchi 44 29er...

  36. #36
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MikenIke's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    143
    thanks I'll measure up some foxes I'm looking for a 100 to 120 mm 29er fork.
    BTW, I laid my Dirt Wiz carcass flat on top of a WTB and they were identicle in width.
    Should have the same profile mounted up then?

  37. #37
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    327
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    My Dually rims from Velocity are finally here... will pick them up from the shop on Saturday and start swapping them over... Really can't wait to ride it with the tires opened to full size!!!
    Looking forward to pics with the Duallys. If I do this I need to build new wheels and I want to do it on something wide like duallys, scrapers, or hugos. There appears to be plenty of room for a wide rim in Sean's Pics.
    "You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning." ShakyPuddin

  38. #38
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Dually rims are in...now just need the spokes..

  39. #39
    mtbr member
    Reputation: OldHouseMan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    4,428
    I wonder if there's enough room for the 3.25 Vee Rubber Trax Fatty?

  40. #40
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I wonder if there's enough room for the 3.25 Vee Rubber Trax Fatty?
    not sure on the rear end ... but I am pretty sure it will fit the front. Not sure if I want to try it yet due to cost... It looks to be a good front tire for traction

  41. #41
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Dropped the rims off to a buddy to lace for me overnight. ... working midnight sucks... should have them when I get up.. will measure on the yelli also...

  42. #42
    mtbr member
    Reputation: savo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    790
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    will measure on the yelli also...
    Let us know, but i measured my yelli and I'm not positive for the 2.8 on 45mm rim...
    I took another way and went for a 29x2.4 on 50mm rim for the rear... 67mm wide and not much room to spare. Still to be tested tho.

  43. #43
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    OK....Here we go...

    Mounted the 2.8 WTB Trail Blazers to the Velocity Dually 27.5+ rims. Rims measure 39mm inside and 45mm outside. At 20psi they measure out to be 2.7" wide per my calipers. I mounted the wheel into both my 2014 Yelli Screamy and my 2013 Nimble 9... both bikes had about 6mm clearance on the drive side and 8mm on the non drive (@ 20psi). To be honest, if you want wider then you should go with a true fat bike. This appears to be a nice middle ground which will increase traction and reduce the trail chatter prone to hardtails.

    Yelli

    Nimble 9

    Full bike...

    Impressions after putting the wider rims is more positive than before... Still playing with the PSI but its looking like I might be able to hit 12PSI in Front and 15PSI in back with a full geared rider weight of 230lbs. Currently with the bike at 20psi it still feels a little too firm in the rear end. Been raining again out my way so may be a few days before I get out on some rooty trails..
    Will possibly buy the VEE Trax 3.25 tire to try on the front. Looks to have a little more traction for the corners...

  44. #44
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    OK....Here we go...

    Mounted the 2.8 WTB Trail Blazers to the Velocity Dually 27.5+ rims. Rims measure 39mm inside and 45mm outside. At 20psi they measure out to be 2.7" wide per my calipers. I mounted the wheel into both my 2014 Yelli Screamy and my 2013 Nimble 9... both bikes had about 6mm clearance on the drive side and 8mm on the non drive (@ 20psi). To be honest, if you want wider then you should go with a true fat bike. This appears to be a nice middle ground which will increase traction and reduce the trail chatter prone to hardtails.

    Yelli

    Nimble 9

    Full bike...

    Impressions after putting the wider rims is more positive than before... Still playing with the PSI but its looking like I might be able to hit 12PSI in Front and 15PSI in back with a full geared rider weight of 230lbs. Currently with the bike at 20psi it still feels a little too firm in the rear end. Been raining again out my way so may be a few days before I get out on some rooty trails..
    Will possibly buy the VEE Trax 3.25 tire to try on the front. Looks to have a little more traction for the corners...
    Awesome!!!!

  45. #45
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    539
    Thank you Ryan!

  46. #46
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Bigwheel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,426
    There has been a lot of tendency over the years on these boards for folks to not give anything a chance before they even try it. You sir are one of the ones that keep the progression of our sport going on by just plain going for it! Looks like the Yelli and Nimble 9 are perfect platforms for the original concept of b+ and some damn fine bikes to boot.

    The ability to run pressures in the 15psi range for me has been as much of a revelation as the drop from 45 (26") to 30 (29") was in 99'.

    I will never forget the pic of Lance launching the first long air on a 29"er down in GJ years ago btw.
    A bike by any other name is still a bike.

  47. #47
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Thanks... I agree with you... It's hard not to enjoy pushing the progression of MTB bikes and different ways to build them up. I feel it portrays a good representation of the person who owns them.

  48. #48
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    Ryan - careful on the Vee tire - it may not clear the fork...........

    But your awesome for sharing all this information and these great photos with everyone! Thanks!

  49. #49
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    539
    Ryan, on the 29 inch forum they could only get the vee tire to work in a dt swiss fork so far.I would think to use this tire atm you would need a lefty or the rs1 as the other options.

  50. #50
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Mxer... good to know before I picked up the tire... Will hold off until any other ones come out... Hopefully get out on it this weekend to check out the current setup

  51. #51
    nvphatty
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    Thanks... I agree with you... It's hard not to enjoy pushing the progression of MTB bikes and different ways to build them up. I feel it portrays a good representation of the person who owns them.
    I must spread rep before giving it to you again..

    I can relate to this as i brainstorm my next 650b+'plump' full squish build however sourcing a frame that accepts a 35mm / 2.8 setup is the hold up so far.

  52. #52
    loud hubs save lives
    Reputation: sennaster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    702

    27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!

    I wanted a N9 before finding this thread; this upped the ante

  53. #53
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Quote Originally Posted by sennaster View Post
    I wanted a N9 before finding this thread; this upped the ante
    what you waiting for ..... whichever way you build it up, you won't regret it. ... it is a fun bike as a 29er, 27.5 or a 27.5+. Just remember if you run a 27.5 wheel you will have to go with at least a 140mm fork. Need to keep up the BB height. Give Sean or Vin a call at Canfield Brothers and they will be glad to hook you up

  54. #54
    mtbr member
    Reputation: savo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    790
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    what you waiting for ..... whichever way you build it up, you won't regret it. ... it is a fun bike as a 29er, 27.5 or a 27.5+.
    Wouldn't it take a 29+ wheel also, with the dropouts slammed all the way backward?
    did someone ever tried?

  55. #55
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Possibly. .. I thought I read somewhere it didn't bur I have a buddy who has one for his Krampus. Will have to check it out sometime

  56. #56
    mtbr member
    Reputation: savo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    790
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    Possibly. .. I thought I read somewhere it didn't bur I have a buddy who has one for his Krampus. Will have to check it out sometime
    argh... if it does it will be hard not to add another Canfield to the stable.

  57. #57
    humber river advocate
    Reputation: singlesprocket's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    6,393
    has anyone tried this combo with a 27.5 150mm pike?
    broadcasting from
    "the vinyl basement"

    build trail!

  58. #58
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Ride report on the 650b+ wheel set up... Finally got a REAL ride in on the N9 with 650b+ (Dually rims w/WTB 2.8) Ride filled with roots, frozen smooth and uplifted trail surface. Mixed with mud and leaves.
    Running 15psi- Tires felt a little too firm and bouncy. Lowered the PSI to 10 F/R and the bike feels so much smoother and a lot more traction. For the most part the bike felt like a "FAT" bike while riding.Many of the mid to small roots just seemed to disappear as I rode over them. Now granted this is not a true Fat bike but running these tires/wheels has taken a already killer riding bike and elevated it to a Swiss Army bike great for all purposes.

    On a sad note... tried to fit these wheels into my 2015 Balance. They are slightly too tall for the bike. The tire contacted and pressed into the seatstay brace preventing it to turn.

  59. #59
    nvphatty
    Guest
    still can't rep ya but good to read of the successful setup.

  60. #60
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    Ride report on the 650b+ wheel set up... Finally got a REAL ride in on the N9 with 650b+ (Dually rims w/WTB 2.8) Ride filled with roots, frozen smooth and uplifted trail surface. Mixed with mud and leaves.
    Running 15psi- Tires felt a little too firm and bouncy. Lowered the PSI to 10 F/R and the bike feels so much smoother and a lot more traction. For the most part the bike felt like a "FAT" bike while riding.Many of the mid to small roots just seemed to disappear as I rode over them. Now granted this is not a true Fat bike but running these tires/wheels has taken a already killer riding bike and elevated it to a Swiss Army bike great for all purposes.

    On a sad note... tried to fit these wheels into my 2015 Balance. They are slightly too tall for the bike. The tire contacted and pressed into the seatstay brace preventing it to turn.
    So would your optimal rim width for this setup (yelli or N9) be a 39mm internal rim like the Dually, or could you get away with a slightly wider rim?

    Would you think the Scraper i45 would make the tire too wide?

    Have you tried fitting this tire/rim combo on any other 29er bikes?

    Thanks in advance my friend. I am hoping that this is something that more than just Canfield owners can appreciate. I know I will have a set going on my Yelli once they show up.
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  61. #61
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    I would think the Dually rim is as wide in the rear as I would go. Might be able to go wider but it was not a cost I wanted to go with. Will probably try the Vee 3.25 tire for the front for traction but might wait for other options to be released first.
    As far as other 29ers... I don't have any available to try... but there is a thread running in the 27.5/650B forum on this subject
    http://forums.mtbr.com/27-5-650b/650b-tires-931412.html

  62. #62
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Bigwheel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,426
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post

    On a sad note... tried to fit these wheels into my 2015 Balance. They are slightly too tall for the bike. The tire contacted and pressed into the seatstay brace preventing it to turn.
    Did you try to mount a narrower tire on the wider rim and fit that? That should work and still have some low pressure benefit. Worth a try.
    A bike by any other name is still a bike.

  63. #63
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Bigwheel..... Not yet. Did not want to dismount the tire since they are set up tubeless... Will have to wait on different rims to come in for the Balance. Might just go with 35mm rims and call it a day... That bike already has gobs of traction due to the linkage design...

  64. #64
    mtbr member
    Reputation: jkidd_39's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    1,001
    So anyone care to explain why a 45 or 50mm wheels is better than a 35mm wide rim? I'm really considering this on my nimble but am leaning towards 35mm for use on other future 650b builds. Thanks

  65. #65
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    So anyone care to explain why a 45 or 50mm wheels is better than a 35mm wide rim? I'm really considering this on my nimble but am leaning towards 35mm for use on other future 650b builds. Thanks
    Not necessarily better, but will make for a wider tire footprint but will fit less frames in the current market.
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  66. #66
    mtbr member
    Reputation: CROPCIRCLE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    42

    27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    So anyone care to explain why a 45 or 50mm wheels is better than a 35mm wide rim? Thanks
    http://m.pinkbike.com/news/Tech-Tues...res-Burp-.html

    http://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/ar...m-width-38791/

  67. #67
    mtbr member
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    24,083
    RSullivan, thanks for a great thread with great info. I wish I had the coin for a new 29+ HT frame, but I don't, so I'm looking for a mod of sorts to get a bit more cush in the rear of a "normal" HT 29er to match the 29+ tyre I'm running upfront. Definitely no room outback for a 29+ on the Monkey or Paradox frames, but this option looks quite viable.

    So now the question is, do I order up the 29" Dually45 for the rear to match the one I've got on the front and see if it helps the 2.4" Ardent gain more cush to closer match the 29+, or do I ordered up the 650B Dually45 and one of these new 650B+ tyres and give that a try?
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold
    You're doing mtbr wrong, you're supposed to get increasingly offended by the implications that you're doing ANYTHING wrong.

  68. #68
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    3,148
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    what you waiting for ..... whichever way you build it up, you won't regret it. ... it is a fun bike as a 29er, 27.5 or a 27.5+. Just remember if you run a 27.5 wheel you will have to go with at least a 140mm fork. Need to keep up the BB height. Give Sean or Vin a call at Canfield Brothers and they will be glad to hook you up
    So I used to run it as a 29" with a 100mm fork... recently went to a 120mm fork. Assuming I went 27.5+, I think I could get away with the BB height on my 120mm fork, right? Being that a 27.5+ tire with the extra 20mm fork should put the bracket at or above where it was before. Or am I wrong?

    Just thinking about this lately... would be sweet to be able to change the bike so much by just swapping out the wheels.

  69. #69
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    RSullivan, thanks for a great thread with great info. I wish I had the coin for a new 29+ HT frame, but I don't, so I'm looking for a mod of sorts to get a bit more cush in the rear of a "normal" HT 29er to match the 29+ tyre I'm running upfront. Definitely no room outback for a 29+ on the Monkey or Paradox frames, but this option looks quite viable.

    So now the question is, do I order up the 29" Dually45 for the rear to match the one I've got on the front and see if it helps the 2.4" Ardent gain more cush to closer match the 29+, or do I ordered up the 650B Dually45 and one of these new 650B+ tyres and give that a try?
    B+... You'll not only get extra width due to the wide rim, you'll gain sidewall height and much needed volume. As well as extra traction and ability for lower PSI.

    This coming from someone who ran 2.3-2.4 high volume 29er tires on the back of his 29er's... and is now running a WTB 2.8 on a Blunt 35. You can feel the difference.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  70. #70
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Bigwheel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,426
    Trying to mate a b+rear to a 29+ front may result in too much diameter differential. A 29" dually and a 2.4 would mate up better and the wider rim will help to give some cush and the ability to run lower psi to the setup than on a narrower rim.
    A bike by any other name is still a bike.

  71. #71
    mtbr member
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    24,083
    I actually wouldn't mind that on my Monkey HTA is too steep for my liking, hence part of the reason to put the 29+ on there. In fact I'd love to also get a 500 A2C rigid fork for it to slack it out closer to my Paradox @ 68*, unfortunately that would also shorten the Reach, which on the XL is already shorter than I like. Thinking along these lines I'm liking the B+ on the rear idea more, well except for the lower BB.

    Little FYI for all those looking at using a frame with sliders who haven't thought of this - remember that as you slide them back, the BB will lower


    Quote Originally Posted by Bigwheel View Post
    Trying to mate a b+rear to a 29+ front may result in too much diameter differential. A 29" dually and a 2.4 would mate up better and the wider rim will help to give some cush and the ability to run lower psi to the setup than on a narrower rim.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold
    You're doing mtbr wrong, you're supposed to get increasingly offended by the implications that you're doing ANYTHING wrong.

  72. #72
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigwheel View Post
    Trying to mate a b+rear to a 29+ front may result in too much diameter differential.
    Ah. Yes. Sorry, B+ and 29+ would be quite a mismatch.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  73. #73
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    What is your impression of the heavier wheels on the bike? The Dually's are not light rims by anyone's standards. Or is it so fun that you really don't care that its heavier and harder to pedal uphill?
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  74. #74
    nvphatty
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    What is your impression of the heavier wheels on the bike? The Dually's are not light rims by anyone's standards. Or is it so fun that you really don't care that its heavier and harder to pedal uphill?
    here's an antidote for such quandries, own a fat bike and the rest will seem UL in comparison.

  75. #75
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    here's an antidote for such quandries, own a fat bike and the rest will seem UL in comparison.
    I do own a fatbike, and shod with Surly Nate tires, its no speed deamon The flipside is I am on a nice light set of Atomik Carbon-i9 wheels that are fairly zippy I am just curious as to what his thoughts are. I am building up a set of Hadley-Velocity Blunt 35's tonight for the B+ tires, so I will find out soon enough....
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  76. #76
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    dustyduke22
    Yes the wheel set up is slightly heavier compared to a normal 29er setup, but I don't mind. The bike is set up for trail use when wanting something different to ride. I really enjoy how the larger volume and low psi have quieted down the rear end thru the rocks and roots. The traction has increased quite a bit for me in my local trail system. I don't ride this bike as my main ride, just when I want to go play on a hardtail that day. I have multiple Canfields set up for the mood I am in for the day...LOL. I do plan on putting a more aggressive tire on the front for a little more corner traction. Probably the Vee tire.

  77. #77
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    dustyduke22
    Yes the wheel set up is slightly heavier compared to a normal 29er setup, but I don't mind. The bike is set up for trail use when wanting something different to ride. I really enjoy how the larger volume and low psi have quieted down the rear end thru the rocks and roots. The traction has increased quite a bit for me in my local trail system. I don't ride this bike as my main ride, just when I want to go play on a hardtail that day. I have multiple Canfields set up for the mood I am in for the day...LOL. I do plan on putting a more aggressive tire on the front for a little more corner traction. Probably the Vee tire.
    That makes sense. I am thinking of running my 27.5+ tire in the back and keeping the standard 29er tire in the front to see how that feels Moto inspired.
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  78. #78
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    dustyduke22
    Yes the wheel set up is slightly heavier compared to a normal 29er setup, but I don't mind. The bike is set up for trail use when wanting something different to ride. I really enjoy how the larger volume and low psi have quieted down the rear end thru the rocks and roots. The traction has increased quite a bit for me in my local trail system. I don't ride this bike as my main ride, just when I want to go play on a hardtail that day. I have multiple Canfields set up for the mood I am in for the day...LOL. I do plan on putting a more aggressive tire on the front for a little more corner traction. Probably the Vee tire.
    I agree. And this is also how I view my slack, AM HT (DB Mason with B+ rear)... A great and fun kick around/2nd bike.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  79. #79
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    WTB just sent me a pair of i45 Scraper rims to try out. I should be able to get them built up here in the next little bit. Should be interesting to see if it will clear my Yelli. It will be close, but I think its worth a shot.
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  80. #80
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    Oh man… I am eagerly awaiting the results. If that batboy fits, I'm buying Yelli frame!
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  81. #81
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    I'd be happy if it would clear a dualy in the rear… Have you checked the clearance with the numbers I posted in my chart in your other thread?

    EDIT: my scraper should be shipping today or Monday… Can't wait!
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  82. #82
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    WTB just sent me a pair of i45 Scraper rims to try out. I should be able to get them built up here in the next little bit. Should be interesting to see if it will clear my Yelli. It will be close, but I think its worth a shot.
    Any update??

  83. #83
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
    Any update??
    Maybe he actually has his rims coming...

    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    EDIT: my scraper should be shipping today or Monday… Can't wait!
    My ship date for my rims keeps slipping. Every time I ask, it gets pushed further out.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  84. #84
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    Bummer - are Dually rims readily available? Or are you not psyched about those?

  85. #85
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    Dually's are available... but I'm more pysched about the the WTB's proven TCS tubeless rim profile and extra 6mm in internal width (if I'm gonna go big B+ in the front, might as well be a full B+!). The weight is comparable between the two.

    I plan on having two front wheels for my Mason. I currently have a Spank Oozy 295 29er rim with a big, aggressive 2.4" tire. For winter use, I plan on running a WTB Scraper i45 and a 3.0" B+ tire (Panaracer, for example).

    In the interim, I have a Vee Trail Taker 2.4 (which is really a 2.5") that I'm going to mount on the Scraper. The 45mm internal width should be enough rim to really square off that Trail Taker and let me have full advantage of the aggressive side knobs (which are way down low on the round side walls).

    That is, of course, if my 29er fork will clear a 650b 2.5 tire on a 45mm internal rim! lol
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  86. #86
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
    Any update??
    I have them in hand. Just been slammed with other wheels to build. I am hoping this weekend.
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  87. #87
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    I have them in hand. Just been slammed with other wheels to build. I am hoping this weekend.
    Would you mind measuring the ERD (including nipple head height) and posting up? I'm seeing conflicting numbers online.

    Thanks in advance!
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  88. #88
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    Would you mind measuring the ERD (including nipple head height) and posting up? I'm seeing conflicting numbers online.

    Thanks in advance!
    For sure man!
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  89. #89
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    Would you mind measuring the ERD (including nipple head height) and posting up? I'm seeing conflicting numbers online.

    Thanks in advance!
    The ERD I measured last night was 565. If you ware looking to the top of the nipple you are looking at 569. What other numbers have your been seeing?
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  90. #90
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    Thanks. 565mm seems to be the most consistent of the listed ERD's. Wasn't sure if that was nipple bed diameter, exclusive of the nipple head thickness, or if it was measured with a spoke threaded to the slot in the nipple.

    Assuming you measured with spokes threaded to the slot in the nipple?
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  91. #91
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    Thanks. 565mm seems to be the most consistent of the listed ERD's. Wasn't sure if that was nipple bed diameter, exclusive of the nipple head thickness, or if it was measured with a spoke threaded to the slot in the nipple.

    Assuming you measured with spokes threaded to the slot in the nipple?
    The straight up ERD was from inside of the rim to inside of the rim. When using the nipples slot, it was 4mm longer
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  92. #92
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    Thanks for clarifying, 569 it is!
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  93. #93
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    Has the original poster successfully fit a Dually rim and tire in back - sorry for the question - this thread has gotten long and I came in again from the last post (which has drifted a bit).

  94. #94
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
    Has the original poster successfully fit a Dually rim and tire in back - sorry for the question - this thread has gotten long and I came in again from the last post (which has drifted a bit).
    Yes I have. .... doing so has given me the ability to run low psi of 10 rear and 8 front. ... still has plenty of clearance in the rear to run the dropouts all the way forward. The low psi makes for awesome traction on off camber root climbs and really quiets down the trail chatter

  95. #95
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    thanks!

  96. #96
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    Was there the same amount of room with the Dually/Trailblazer combo on the Yelli as the Nimble - or was it tighter?

  97. #97
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
    Was there the same amount of room with the Dually/Trailblazer combo on the Yelli as the Nimble - or was it tighter?
    If you look through the thread, you will see pics of the Yelli and Nimble fitted with Dually-TrailBlazer. There is actually a decent amount of room left with the 2.8's!
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  98. #98
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    If you look through the thread, you will see pics of the Yelli and Nimble fitted with Dually-TrailBlazer. There is actually a decent amount of room left with the 2.8's!
    My work blocks photos from him in this thread so I can't see - will re-look when I get home.

    We should PM about wheel/tire combinations - I've got some build ideas in my head/in the works.

    Cheers,

    Mark

  99. #99
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Yes it will fit..... the yelli is equal in spacing as the N9 with the dropouts all the way forward. ..

  100. #100
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
    Any update??
    Hey Guys,

    Just wanted to give an update on the WTB i45 rims.

    They Fit!!!!!!! With room to spare

    Pics to come
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  101. #101
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    Hurry on up with those pics!

  102. #102
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
    Hurry on up with those pics!
    Your wish is my command.

    I can't believe how big the rim/tire combo is. I included one of the build pics before I mounted them up to try and let you guys see how massive these tires/rims are. I thought they looked big with the Dually/TrailBlazers on there, but DANG!

    As far as clearance, I tried to get a pic of the dropouts so you can get an idea of what there is. There is a solid 4-5mm on each side. I have not measured it yet to be exact, but plenty of room.

    I took it out for a spin on the local trails and had no chainstay rub, but was running a little too low of pressure in the back ~10psi or so. I dinged a rock and snake bit the tire! I had to stop and help the sealant seal up the holes, and put a little more pressure in there. For me, 10 psi is too low for rowdy rocky trails. I am thinking 12-13 will be a sweet spot for me.

    On a good note, the rim showed no sign of impact (luckily)!

    Here are the pics

    27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!-hubsessed-cycle-works-scraper-i45-canfield-yelli-screamy-wheelset.jpg

    27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!-hubsessed-cycle-works-scraper-i45-canfield-yelli-screamy-bike-2.jpg

    27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!-hubsessed-cycle-works-scraper-i45-canfield-yelli-screamy-bike.jpg

    27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!-hubsessed-cycle-works-scraper-i45-canfield-yelli-screamy-non-drive.jpg

    27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!-hubsessed-cycle-works-scraper-i45-canfield-yelli-screamy.jpg
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  103. #103
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    That's pretty cool - but pretty close to the chainstays - what if you get muddy conditions? But holy moly those tires fill out on those rims!!!

  104. #104
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG View Post
    That's pretty cool - but pretty close to the chainstays - what if you get muddy conditions? But holy moly those tires fill out on those rims!!!
    If the trails are sticky muddy, it wont matter how much clearance you have on your chainstays! Luckily, Northern Utah dirt doesn't have too much clay. Plus, if the trails are that muddy, I will be staying off them.

    The pics make the clearance look less than it actually is. My bad
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  105. #105
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MMcG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    9,592
    yeah pics can often be tricky to convey the actual room - looks like gobs of room at the fork arch!!! Good on ya!!!

  106. #106
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Nice....... I am really liking the feel of the larger volume wheel combo..... what was your thoughts on how it rode....

  107. #107
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    Nice....... I am really liking the feel of the larger volume wheel combo..... what was your thoughts on how it rode....
    I was pretty surprised with how it rode both up and down the hill to be honest. I was coming off some nice, light carbon wheels that really helped the bike zip up the climbs. I really didn't notice that big of a difference to be honest with the B+ option. These B+ wheels weight close to 400 grams more than my other wheels, but I really wasn't thinking about weight on the climbs. I was thinking about how cool it was that I didn't even feel that rock I just ran over, or how it felt so nice coming down the chunky stuff with some forgiveness from the tires!! The longer I rode the bike, the more stoked I was to ride it again. Play with tire pressures, see how it reacts in different riding conditions, etc. Overall, it left me wanting more.

    Like you, this is not my only bike. I do think that these wheels/tires will be staying with the Yelli for the long haul. It opens up the doors for some additional possibilities that will make this bike even more capable. Bikepacking, adventure riding, etc. And the extra inch or 2 of "travel" is a welcome gift!
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  108. #108
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Bigwheel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,426
    Nice Dusty!
    A bike by any other name is still a bike.

  109. #109
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Awesome!!!! glad the conversion was a positive experience!! Mine will be staying on the N9, I doubt I will take off the standard 29er wheels on the Yelli(being that is a loaner/Demo biike) also used for faster XC rides. One thing I am toying with is a more aggressive front tire for a little more traction for the trails out my way. Either way it is a fun ride and it will see more trail time in days to come...

  110. #110
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    Awesome!!!! glad the conversion was a positive experience!! Mine will be staying on the N9, I doubt I will take off the standard 29er wheels on the Yelli(being that is a loaner/Demo biike) also used for faster XC rides. One thing I am toying with is a more aggressive front tire for a little more traction for the trails out my way. Either way it is a fun ride and it will see more trail time in days to come...
    You should throw on a normal 29er front wheel to see what that does. I am thinking about trying it myself to see how it feels.
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  111. #111
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    You should throw on a normal 29er front wheel to see what that does. I am thinking about trying it myself to see how it feels.
    That's how I have my DB Mason HT set up right now. B+ rear (WTB 2.8 on a Blunt 35), 29er front. I like the results.

    I find the extra cush of the B+ rear (plus a 125mm dropper!) makes the alloy HT more manageable for every day riding. I find myself wanting to ride tamer trails, stuff that I normally wouldn't ride, b/c it's fun again.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  112. #112
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    That's how I have my DB Mason HT set up right now. B+ rear (WTB 2.8 on a Blunt 35), 29er front. I like the results.

    I find the extra cush of the B+ rear (plus a 125mm dropper!) makes the alloy HT more manageable for every day riding. I find myself wanting to ride tamer trails, stuff that I normally wouldn't ride, b/c it's fun again.
    picture?
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  113. #113
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    picture?
    Here it is with the old Frequency i25 650b rim. I don't have the same picture with the Blunt 35, but the net effect is the same.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!-img_3209.jpg  

    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  114. #114
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    140
    Great thread guys. I'm thinking of a Yelli and likely will be experimenting w/ various wheel options. I am curious how the B+ options w/ 30-50mm rims alter the playfulness/nimbleness of the Canfields. Does it make them feel heavy when jumping, hopping, manualing, etc?

  115. #115
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    1,101

    27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by kalroot View Post
    Great thread guys. I'm thinking of a Yelli and likely will be experimenting w/ various wheel options. I am curious how the B+ options w/ 30-50mm rims alter the playfulness/nimbleness of the Canfields. Does it make them feel heavy when jumping, hopping, manualing, etc?
    Same here


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

  116. #116
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by racefit View Post
    Same here


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
    If anything it makes it feel more alive. Having the little extra squish on the back is a welcome bonus. The only time I really notice a difference is when I preload the front end With 10 psi or less. The front tire squished almost all the way to the rim. I ended up putting 11 psi in the front and 13.5 in the front and that is perfect for me. Firm enough for bunny hopping and trail domination.
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  117. #117
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    470
    Stupid question, maybe... 29er fork or 27.5 fork 27.5+ setup?

    Great stuff in here!

  118. #118
    mtbr member
    Reputation: jallll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    360
    Subscribed... thinking of made this to my sultan...

  119. #119
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by Thrawn View Post
    Stupid question, maybe... 29er fork or 27.5 fork 27.5+ setup?

    Great stuff in here!
    I am running a 29er
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  120. #120
    mtbr member
    Reputation: MISTER HYDE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    42

    27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrawn View Post
    Stupid question, maybe... 29er fork or 27.5 fork 27.5+ setup?

    Great stuff in here!
    You need a 29er fork because the outside diameter of the B+ tyre is very similar to a 29er tyre.

    Maybe the WTB trailblazer can be mounted on a 27.50 FOX fork that have the bridge taller than others forks. I try with the Vee Trax Fatty but rub on the bridge, but WTB is small than the VTF.

  121. #121
    mtbr member
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    24,083
    I can't confirm cause I don't have one yet, but the clearance in my X-Fusion Velvet with a 2.4" 650B is quite huge, thinking it would fit the TB 2.8" no worries. On that note, anyone get any confirmation of when the next batch of these will be out? Will be building a rear wheel for my Monkey rigid and then trying clearance on my Paradox to try and add some cush to match the 29+ I can run on the front.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrawn View Post
    Stupid question, maybe... 29er fork or 27.5 fork 27.5+ setup?

    Great stuff in here!
    Quote Originally Posted by MISTER HYDE View Post
    You need a 29er fork because the outside diameter of the B+ tyre is very similar to a 29er tyre.

    Maybe the WTB trailblazer can be mounted on a 27.50 FOX fork that have the bridge taller than others forks. I try with the Vee Trax Fatty but rub on the bridge, but WTB is small than the VTF.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold
    You're doing mtbr wrong, you're supposed to get increasingly offended by the implications that you're doing ANYTHING wrong.

  122. #122
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    Mid March, but apparently they're already spoken for
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  123. #123
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    70
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    I am running a 29er
    that's a 29er RS Pike right?

  124. #124
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by JRockF3 View Post
    that's a 29er RS Pike right?
    Yessir. Here is a pic of the clearance. 140mm flavor

    27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!-hubsessed-cycle-works-canfield-yelli-screamy-b-plus-wtb-scraper-i45-trailblazer-11.jpg
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  125. #125
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    70
    Sweet! my next build! Thanks! Great thread here!

  126. #126
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Posts
    64
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    Yessir. Here is a pic of the clearance. 140mm flavor

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Hubsessed Cycle Works Canfield Yelli Screamy B plus WTB Scraper i45 Trailblazer 11.jpg 
Views:	1025 
Size:	88.7 KB 
ID:	965159
    Very nice build!

    I've been searching for a frame to do a 27.5+ build with the Scraper rim and 2.8 tire. I sent an email to Canfield to see if they felt there was any issues with this setup, unfortunately they've only tried it on a 28mm.

    Other than the additional weight, are you fully satisfied with the build? Thanks, I really appreciate any input.

  127. #127
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Very nice build!

    I've been searching for a frame to do a 27.5+ build with the Scraper rim and 2.8 tire. I sent an email to Canfield to see if they felt there was any issues with this setup, unfortunately they've only tried it on a 28mm.

    Other than the additional weight, are you fully satisfied with the build? Thanks, I really appreciate any input.
    Ya, its such a fun bike with the 27.5+ setup. I thought I would suffer from the small knobs on the front wheel, but I am pleasantly surprised how the tire flattens out on the trail and digs in. I do have to put a little more weight over the front end, but that needed to happen anyway!

    For me, 11psi in the front and 13.5psi in the back let me run pretty flat out and not ding my rim.

    I really don't notice a difference with the extra weight. I am still faster uphill on this bike compared to my FS 29er with carbon wheels.

    I would build this bike in a heartbeat if I didn't have one already
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  128. #128
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Posts
    64
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    Ya, its such a fun bike with the 27.5+ setup. I thought I would suffer from the small knobs on the front wheel, but I am pleasantly surprised how the tire flattens out on the trail and digs in. I do have to put a little more weight over the front end, but that needed to happen anyway!

    For me, 11psi in the front and 13.5psi in the back let me run pretty flat out and not ding my rim.

    I really don't notice a difference with the extra weight. I am still faster uphill on this bike compared to my FS 29er with carbon wheels.

    I would build this bike in a heartbeat if I didn't have one already
    Appreciate the response. At ~205 lbs. I'll have to run a higher psi. I'm guessing that would actually allow more clearance? I'm building this to do Tahoe Sierra and a couple of other long distance races. I'm leanings towards the 120mm Pike.

    Thanks again! I hated to buy the frame only to find out it wouldn't work.

  129. #129
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    545
    Hello everyone. Just bought a 2015 Nimble 9, ordered some 29 LB carbon rims to build up, but stumbled on this thread and got bit hard by this 650b+ concept. My back is a bit sketchy at times, so the extra give from the b+ tires sounds great. I intend to ride a fair bit at bike parks and aggressively in most situations, and my only concern with the b+ is cornering. Wouldn't the tall sidewalls combined with low air pressure result in a terrible, squirmy cornering wheel?

    Was thinking about the LB 650b rim. 38mm external width, 31.6 internal. 440g.

    Thanks in advance for any input
    Last edited by SeB-66; 02-28-2015 at 07:34 PM.

  130. #130
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    Pump it up to a higher pressure at the bike park
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  131. #131
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    I don't have too much dirt time on my WTB 2.8/Dually's, snow hit and stayed. From what I have ridden though.... gobs of traction at low PSI. Side walls still feel fairly stiff with minimal psi due to the wider rims = straighter sidewalls. As stated above though.... add a few more PSI to firm up the tire more. BUT like any large volume tire.... too much air will make these lose traction and be more bouncy in the ruff...

  132. #132
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Bigwheel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    2,426
    A bike by any other name is still a bike.

  133. #133
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    545
    Thanks, guys. Really intrigued by this 27.5+ idea. And I had found, and was encouraged by, that "27.5+ Wheels and Tires on a Kona Process" thread. The Kona looks absolutely killer with those wheels, too!

  134. #134
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by SeB-66 View Post
    Hello everyone. Just bought a 2015 Nimble 9, ordered some 29 LB carbon rims to build up, but stumbled on this thread and got bit hard by this 650b+ concept. My back is a bit sketchy at times, so the extra give from the b+ tires sounds great. I intend to ride a fair bit at bike parks and aggressively in most situations, and my only concern with the b+ is cornering. Wouldn't the tall sidewalls combined with low air pressure result in a terrible, squirmy cornering wheel?

    Was thinking about the LB 650b rim. 38mm external width, 31.6 internal. 440g.

    Thanks in advance for any input
    I have never felt the front tire get squirmy under cornering. If anything, it flattens out and gives you some crazy braking traction in the corners

    I am not sure if KillingtonVT has a different opinion, but I have not had any problems.

    You have to remember that 11 psi on a normal mountain bike rim is not the same feel as 11 psi on a 45mm internal rim.
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  135. #135
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    545
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    I have never felt the front tire get squirmy under cornering. If anything, it flattens out and gives you some crazy braking traction in the corners

    I am not sure if KillingtonVT has a different opinion, but I have not had any problems.

    You have to remember that 11 psi on a normal mountain bike rim is not the same feel as 11 psi on a 45mm internal rim.
    Man, sooo tempting! Would the Light Bicycles 31.6mm internal width rim work well? I like the weight (440g) and that it's beadless.

    I looked today and didn't see any 27.5+ tires available anywhere. Does anyone know where I could get some?

  136. #136
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    545
    decided to do 29er wheels for now. I'll probably give 27.5+ a try later in the year or next year

  137. #137
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,723
    Anyone tried the Hugo rims?

  138. #138
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    18
    I am building my 27.5 Hugo for Carver Gnarvester. I would probably getting a Fox 32 100 - 120 mm.

  139. #139
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Got quite a few more rides in on my "just fat enough" N9 ..... Ended up changing the front tire to a FBN from Panaracer.... Huge difference in the cornering. Front end just glues to the trail in the turns.... Have been riding it more lately than my other Canfields....

  140. #140
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    Got quite a few more rides in on my "just fat enough" N9 ..... Ended up changing the front tire to a FBN from Panaracer.... Huge difference in the cornering. Front end just glues to the trail in the turns.... Have been riding it more lately than my other Canfields....
    Pics or it didn't happen!

  141. #141
    squish, squish in da fish
    Reputation: fishwrinkle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,688
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    Have been riding it more lately than my other Canfields....
    that is until you get the riot in your hands. pics would be great too

  142. #142
    Unit 91
    Reputation: TheProphet's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    1,408
    So my Evil Following will be here Wednesday and most of the parts off my N9 will be transferred over. However, I've been thinking a lot and after riding the N9 all weekend at Dirtfest, I just can't bring myself to sell it. Thought now is to slowly build it back up into a 140mm travel SS beast. After seeing this thread, anyone have any 27.5+ SS experience? Am I going to hate my life or will the bigger tires help out?
    Bikes

  143. #143
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    70
    Quote Originally Posted by rsullivan View Post
    Got quite a few more rides in on my "just fat enough" N9 ..... Ended up changing the front tire to a FBN from Panaracer.... Huge difference in the cornering. Front end just glues to the trail in the turns.... Have been riding it more lately than my other Canfields....
    Will the FBN fit in the rear as well?

  144. #144
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by TheProphet View Post
    So my Evil Following will be here Wednesday and most of the parts off my N9 will be transferred over. However, I've been thinking a lot and after riding the N9 all weekend at Dirtfest, I just can't bring myself to sell it. Thought now is to slowly build it back up into a 140mm travel SS beast. After seeing this thread, anyone have any 27.5+ SS experience? Am I going to hate my life or will the bigger tires help out?
    Using the bigger tires on your N9 will make your Evil very jealous.
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  145. #145
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Quote Originally Posted by JRockF3 View Post
    Will the FBN fit in the rear as well?
    It does but... very little clearance between the sidewall and chain stay. Too close for comfort if hitting any occasional muddy spots. This is using the Velocity Dually rims. I would imagine there would be better clearance if you use a 35mm rim. Honestly though, there is plenty of traction in the rear using the WTB TB. I do like the FBN on the front for cornering traction. Huge difference between the two.

  146. #146
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    856
    How does the B+ combo compare height wise to a 29er? I picked up a Spearfish frame for XC racing so the Yelli gets to be a fun trail bike. So I'm going to bump the Revelation up to 140mm and put some big meats on it. I run a 3x10 drivetrain so I'm worried about FD to tire clearance. When I put a Trail King 29x2.4 on a P35 I had to re-dish the wheel to the NDS for clearance. I'm currently running WTB KOM i23 rims with Kenda Slant Six 29x2.2 with plenty of clearance.

  147. #147
    Formerly PaintPeelinPbody
    Reputation: PHeller's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    2,619
    Depends on rim and tire combo, but I think the general consensus is that a 27.5x3.0 will fit in a frame design for 29x2.4 IF there is enough width clearance. That seems to be the problem, most frames don't enough width to accommodate a "true" 3" B+ tire.
    Work - Utility GIS Analyst
    Party - 2019 Guerrilla Gravity Revved Trail Pistol Sz 3

  148. #148
    Canfield Bikes
    Reputation: flymybike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,111
    With a current 49-50mm chainline and a traditional, non elevated chainstay, the limit is 2.8" tire. If the tire is any bigger your lower yoke will be really thin or need an elevated stay. The boost rear hub will help you fit the 3.0" tire, but not much more. Not sure why you think a 2.8" tire isn't a "true" B+ tire but a 3" is??? I agree with Rsullivan, the 2.8" tire has massive grip and is sufficient for a rear tire. Come check these out this weekend at Duthie Hill near Seattle.
    https://canfieldbikes.com/
    Building bikes that make you smile!
    www.mtbparks.com
    All Bike Park, All the time.

  149. #149
    Formerly PaintPeelinPbody
    Reputation: PHeller's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    2,619
    I'm just curious to see if the VTF 2.8 or other 2.8 tires will fit on the EPO, that's all. Many have complained the Trailblazer isn't really the best AM tire. I wouldn't know, I haven't ridden it yet. I typically like that high volume fast rolling tire, so it may be all I need.
    Work - Utility GIS Analyst
    Party - 2019 Guerrilla Gravity Revved Trail Pistol Sz 3

  150. #150
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    327
    Something different:
    29.3 Chronicle in front
    27.5x2.8 Trailblazer in back
    Scrapers on hope hubs
    Carver trail 490 fork27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!-20150604_172522_resized.jpg27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!-20150604_172532_resized.jpg
    "You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning." ShakyPuddin

  151. #151
    mtbr member
    Reputation: rsullivan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    849
    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    I'm just curious to see if the VTF 2.8 or other 2.8 tires will fit on the EPO, that's all. Many have complained the Trailblazer isn't really the best AM tire. I wouldn't know, I haven't ridden it yet. I typically like that high volume fast rolling tire, so it may be all I need.
    The guys at Canfield have fit a TB 2.8 with WTB Scraper rims on the EPO with about 1/4" clearance on both side!!!
    http://forums.mtbr.com/canfield/canf...-962979-6.html

  152. #152
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    165
    I'm looking to go 27+ on my 2013 Yelli - with a LB or nextie carbon rim for lightness. Should I go all the way to a 50mm rim, or just pretty wide at 38mm or so (nextie do an asymmetric rim in this size)? I'm worried about the mud clearance - if I like the ride I'll want to keep them on all year round and it is muddy here in the winter.

  153. #153
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    856
    My Scrapers and Trailblazers should be ready by next Friday. I'll have to wait a while to change the fork from 120 to 140. Can't wait to ride the Yelli with its new personality.

  154. #154
    mtbr member
    Reputation: spyghost's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    974
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    Your wish is my command.

    I can't believe how big the rim/tire combo is. I included one of the build pics before I mounted them up to try and let you guys see how massive these tires/rims are. I thought they looked big with the Dually/TrailBlazers on there, but DANG!

    As far as clearance, I tried to get a pic of the dropouts so you can get an idea of what there is. There is a solid 4-5mm on each side. I have not measured it yet to be exact, but plenty of room.

    I took it out for a spin on the local trails and had no chainstay rub, but was running a little too low of pressure in the back ~10psi or so. I dinged a rock and snake bit the tire! I had to stop and help the sealant seal up the holes, and put a little more pressure in there. For me, 10 psi is too low for rowdy rocky trails. I am thinking 12-13 will be a sweet spot for me.

    On a good note, the rim showed no sign of impact (luckily)!

    Here are the pics

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Hubsessed Cycle Works Scraper i45 Canfield Yelli Screamy wheelset.jpg 
Views:	3455 
Size:	202.4 KB 
ID:	960945

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Hubsessed Cycle Works Scraper i45 Canfield Yelli Screamy bike 2.jpg 
Views:	1340 
Size:	176.4 KB 
ID:	960942

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Hubsessed Cycle Works Scraper i45 Canfield Yelli Screamy bike.jpg 
Views:	1787 
Size:	160.6 KB 
ID:	960943

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Hubsessed Cycle Works Scraper i45 Canfield Yelli Screamy non drive.jpg 
Views:	454 
Size:	64.6 KB 
ID:	960944

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Hubsessed Cycle Works Scraper i45 Canfield Yelli Screamy.jpg 
Views:	435 
Size:	62.2 KB 
ID:	960946
    these images make me want to strip my gray yelli screamy and pc to matte black!

  155. #155
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    532

    Gen 1 Yelli & Scraper, or go thinner?

    Would appreciate feedback from anyone running Scraper sized rims in a gen 1 Yelli in 'real world' autumn/winter conditions (slop, leaves, goo). Does it work or better off with something a little smaller?

    (Thanks).

  156. #156
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by ghetto View Post
    Would appreciate feedback from anyone running Scraper sized rims in a gen 1 Yelli in 'real world' autumn/winter conditions (slop, leaves, goo). Does it work or better off with something a little smaller?

    (Thanks).
    I would recommend the WTB Breakout 2,5. Much meatier. And just as tall. Not as wide, but 2.6 inches of tall knobby goodness
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  157. #157
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    532
    Thx - I was more thinking whether better to go for narrower rims than Scrapers.

  158. #158
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    Posts
    35
    Has anyone confirmed WTB Scraper 45's work on 2015 Nimble 9 frame? If so, are these rims too big to fit comfortably? Would it be advantageous to use WTB Asym 35 rims?

  159. #159
    Rocks belong
    Reputation: 06HokieMTB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    5,144
    IMHO, for 2.8 tires, Asym i35's is where it's at.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

  160. #160
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    53
    Has anyone tried a Maxxis Chronicle or any of the WTB 3.0 tires in this frame?

  161. #161
    bicycle rider
    Reputation: morganfletcher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    2,718

  162. #162
    squish, squish in da fish
    Reputation: fishwrinkle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,688
    good to know about fit up with wtb. while looking at your pic i puked a lil and then thought i was having a flashback.

  163. #163
    gma
    gma is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Posts
    5
    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit21 View Post
    Anyone tried the Hugo rims?
    Yup, just tried them - Hugos with 2.8 WTB Trailblazers DON'T FIT on my 2014 Nimble 9. This surprised me because the Hugo is supposidly only 5mm wider than the Scraper - but there is zero clearance with this combo.
    Trying to decide if I should go with a slightly narrower tire (not many in the 2.5-2.7 range) or flatten the chainstays.

  164. #164
    mtbr member
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    24,083
    Where's the lack of clearance? If it's in the with and not height, then I'd suggest some 35mm wide (30mm inner width) rims instead of possibly ruining your frame. To me the Trail Blazers casing gets way to big if run on anything bigger like the Scraper WTB suggests for it, 30mm internal is just perfect, even on an i25 rim it's not so bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by gma View Post
    Yup, just tried them - Hugos with 2.8 WTB Trailblazers DON'T FIT on my 2014 Nimble 9. This surprised me because the Hugo is supposidly only 5mm wider than the Scraper - but there is zero clearance with this combo.
    Trying to decide if I should go with a slightly narrower tire (not many in the 2.5-2.7 range) or flatten the chainstays.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold
    You're doing mtbr wrong, you're supposed to get increasingly offended by the implications that you're doing ANYTHING wrong.

  165. #165
    mtbr member
    Reputation: jkidd_39's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    1,001
    So what is the general concensus on rim selection on a 14 N9? I am thinking 3.0 front/ 2.8 rear. So shoud I go scraper up front and Asym in the rear?

    Or just asym all around???

    Thanks

    Sent from my SM-T110 using Tapatalk

  166. #166
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    32
    I had scrapers with trailblazers wih 14psi in the rear of my 15 N9. there was a mm of clearance either side. was a bit to close for comfort.

  167. #167
    Canfield Bikes
    Reputation: flymybike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    1,111
    I'd go with a narrower rim, the Trail Blazer gets flattened out and the side walls get exposed with that wide of rim. I'm wanting to try the 35mm ID rim, it will fit better and keep the tire shaped more proper. FWIW I was only able to keep air in the TB tires for a couple rides, kept ripping holes in the side walls/ top of the tire. The Nobby Nic held air for three rides, same thing, holes in the casing.
    https://canfieldbikes.com/
    Building bikes that make you smile!
    www.mtbparks.com
    All Bike Park, All the time.

  168. #168
    mtbr member
    Reputation: cpolism's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    248
    Does anyone know if they tweaked the geometry for the new '16 N9 model? I see they are calling it the all new N9 for 2016, so maybe the increase some space back there for B+ tires? Would love to throw the scrapers with 2.8 TB's on there without worrying about 1-2mm of space on each side. I'll have a 27.5+ 140mm fork on the front.

  169. #169
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    1,410
    Quote Originally Posted by cpolism View Post
    Does anyone know if they tweaked the geometry for the new '16 N9 model? I see they are calling it the all new N9 for 2016, so maybe the increase some space back there for B+ tires? Would love to throw the scrapers with 2.8 TB's on there without worrying about 1-2mm of space on each side. I'll have a 27.5+ 140mm fork on the front.
    We should have our 2016 N9 release ready next week, (I'm just waiting for a couple of frames to arrive to be able to shoot for the launch). Our geo and clearances will remain the same as the previous generation. The updates to the 2016 are lighter weight, a new look and a more compliant ride.

  170. #170
    squish, squish in da fish
    Reputation: fishwrinkle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,688
    cpolism, if you don't already have rims in hand just get the dually's instead.

  171. #171
    mtbr member
    Reputation: jkidd_39's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    1,001
    Quote Originally Posted by fishwrinkle View Post
    cpolism, if you don't already have rims in hand just get the dually's instead.
    What is the advantage of the Dually vs. the WTB ASYM? Seems like there is a serious price jump there...

  172. #172
    squish, squish in da fish
    Reputation: fishwrinkle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,688
    i'm assuming you are referring to the scraper and not asym. i've had the dually's since they hit the market and haven't looked at anything since. so, i couldn't tell you the differences other than the scraper is 45id and the dually is 39id.

  173. #173
    mtbr member
    Reputation: cpolism's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    248
    Quote Originally Posted by fishwrinkle View Post
    i'm assuming you are referring to the scraper and not asym. i've had the dually's since they hit the market and haven't looked at anything since. so, i couldn't tell you the differences other than the scraper is 45id and the dually is 39id.
    I always heard the TB's coupled with the scrapers offered a superior tubeless setup. How is everything working out with the dually's?

  174. #174
    squish, squish in da fish
    Reputation: fishwrinkle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,688
    no complaints on them at all. this is my 2nd winter with them and the rear needs a truing, but that's b/c of my mad skills, or lack of. i also change tires a lot due to trail riding and ds runs so i've never ran tubeless yet. getting ready to scoop up some fr570's and those will be tubeless.

  175. #175
    mtbr member
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    24,083
    The difference is about $50 and 4mm narrower internal width if you're talking the i35 version of the Asym. Also less weight and a much better tubeless setup since the Asym has a real TCS profile and it is an offset rim, so will build a wheel with near identical spokes lengths and tensions on DS and NDS, i.e. much stronger.

    I have the Dually45s, they're decent rims, no trouble so far running tubeless with both normal 29ers tyres and 29+ tyres, but my next set of rims will be the Asyms, i29s for my normal 29er and i35 650B for a B+ setup with TB tyres.

    Quote Originally Posted by jkidd_39 View Post
    What is the advantage of the Dually vs. the WTB ASYM? Seems like there is a serious price jump there...
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold
    You're doing mtbr wrong, you're supposed to get increasingly offended by the implications that you're doing ANYTHING wrong.

  176. #176
    mtbr member
    Reputation: jkidd_39's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    1,001
    Thanks Lynx. That pretty much seals it. Asym for the win.

    Sent from my SM-T110 using Tapatalk

  177. #177
    mtbr member
    Reputation: cpolism's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    248
    I'm ordering everything for the build right now, and just came across the fork and I'm stumped. I'm buying a boost compatible fork, and I see there's an option to get a 27.5+ fork, and also a 29+ fork. The only company that seems to combine the two is Manitou with the new Magnum. I'm getting 140mm, but would it be better to get a 29+ specific or a 27.5+ specific?

  178. #178
    Chris Bling
    Reputation: dustyduke22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    2,581
    Quote Originally Posted by cpolism View Post
    I'm ordering everything for the build right now, and just came across the fork and I'm stumped. I'm buying a boost compatible fork, and I see there's an option to get a 27.5+ fork, and also a 29+ fork. The only company that seems to combine the two is Manitou with the new Magnum. I'm getting 140mm, but would it be better to get a 29+ specific or a 27.5+ specific?
    For the B+ setup, either get a 29er fork or 27.5+ fork. The 29+ fork is a whole other level of diameter.
    The obsession of wheels fused with the passion of cycling
    Handbuilt Custom Wheels

  179. #179
    mtbr member
    Reputation: cpolism's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    248
    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    For the B+ setup, either get a 29er fork or 27.5+ fork. The 29+ fork is a whole other level of diameter.
    Roger that. Thanks! I was thinking of a 29er fork, but I'm worried about the clearance with wider rims. 27.5+ forks might be my best/safest bet. Thanks again

  180. #180
    bicycle rider
    Reputation: morganfletcher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    2,718
    Quote Originally Posted by cpolism View Post
    I'm ordering everything for the build right now, and just came across the fork and I'm stumped. I'm buying a boost compatible fork, and I see there's an option to get a 27.5+ fork, and also a 29+ fork. The only company that seems to combine the two is Manitou with the new Magnum. I'm getting 140mm, but would it be better to get a 29+ specific or a 27.5+ specific?
    I have a standard 29er Pike 140mm fork, 2.8 Trailblazer has 5mm on either side.

    FWIW, while it's not ideal, I'm riding the Scraper / Trailblazer combo front and rear on my Nimble 9, having plenty of fun. Did have to plug the rear sidewall, and put (and re-fill) a lot more sealant than usual in it. My theory is that I'm building up the sidewall from the inside. It's inspired me to have a friend build me a proper 27+ fun bike, based on N9 / Yelli geometry, with boost spacing and clearance for proper 3.1 or 3.2 tires with corner knobs. I am selling the wheels and tires in the classifieds, if anyone else wants to try it out. With proper spoke tension, the 50mm rim does not flex much.

    27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!-img_20160102_155809662.jpg
    27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!-img_20160102_155745438.jpg

    The Scraper/Trailblazer combo is a "gateway" for 29er riders who want to try this plus thing.

    Morgan

  181. #181
    mtbr member
    Reputation: cpolism's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    248
    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    We should have our 2016 N9 release ready next week, (I'm just waiting for a couple of frames to arrive to be able to shoot for the launch). Our geo and clearances will remain the same as the previous generation. The updates to the 2016 are lighter weight, a new look and a more compliant ride.
    Did you guys get the frames in for the release!? Too much suspense!

  182. #182
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    20
    What was the final verdict on 50mm rims on this build?

  183. #183
    bicycle rider
    Reputation: morganfletcher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    2,718
    Quote Originally Posted by wcomeaux View Post
    What was the final verdict on 50mm rims on this build?
    Which build? I would / will do it again. Planning on Boost hubs to Derby 45mm rims for next bike.

    Morgan

  184. #184
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    20
    im just trying to source some decent 45mm wheels for my N9 now. I was going to sell it for a Fat bike but now i think ill just convert it

  185. #185
    bicycle rider
    Reputation: morganfletcher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    2,718
    Quote Originally Posted by wcomeaux View Post
    im just trying to source some decent 45mm wheels for my N9 now. I was going to sell it for a Fat bike but now i think ill just convert it
    WTB Scraper / Trailblazer 27plus wheels - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories

    Morgan

  186. #186
    squish, squish in da fish
    Reputation: fishwrinkle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,688
    Quote Originally Posted by wcomeaux View Post
    im just trying to source some decent 45mm wheels for my N9 now. I was going to sell it for a Fat bike but now i think ill just convert it
    lol, trying to sell your wheels off a n9 to another person with an n9? after you say this combo isn't ideal in post 180, which it isn't. good ethic, are you a used car salesman too?

  187. #187
    bicycle rider
    Reputation: morganfletcher's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    2,718
    Quote Originally Posted by fishwrinkle View Post
    lol, trying to sell your wheels off a n9 to another person with an n9? after you say this combo isn't ideal in post 180, which it isn't. good ethic, are you a used car salesman too?
    I have no morals. I'm a lizard.

    Morgan

  188. #188
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    1,266
    Has anyone tried putting on a standard 650b wheel on the back of the N9 and keeping the 29" front? Was just reading a review of the Foes Mixer. Curious.

  189. #189
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    20
    Im intersted in your wheels trying to secure funds for them. I know it isnt ideal but It cheaper than building a new bike. Plus the FOES 27.5+ and the Specialized 6Fatties are compatible with 29er wheels too. So not really in uncharted territory. i have a 27.5 bike and i could just use those wheels but i want to get some wider rims for that contact patch!!

    Morandi if i can get some 2.8 tires ill let you know how it is.

  190. #190
    gma
    gma is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Posts
    5
    I was able to fit the Stans Hugos with WTB Trailblazers. I had to slightly dimple the drive side - about 4mm. That allowed the wheel to move 2mm away from the non-drive side and leave 2mm on the drive side. It looks great - like it was made this way, and the chrome finish didn't even crack (which was my biggest worry honestly). After a few hard days riding - even in some wet conditions - I haven't had any gumming up or rubbing. Plus with that super-fat tire, I've run pressures as low as 13, though 15 has become my "regular" pressure. So this combination doesn't work out of the box, but it can be made to work if you're bold (*cough*cough*have balls*cough*) enough to experiment.

  191. #191
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    20
    Plenty of cajones, just short on cash lol

  192. #192
    gma
    gma is offline
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Posts
    5
    That said, IMO the Trailblazer isn't an ideal match to the Hugo. The wide rim leaves the tire profile a little too squared-off for my taste. I'd be interested to try other tires in this size. But others might like a more square profile...who knows.

  193. #193
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    72
    Gonna take the plunge after trying out a friends wheels on my Gen 1 N9. Just picked up a new set of Easton ARC 30 rims (30mm ID) that I'll lace up to some BHS hubs in the next week or two. Price vs weight of these rims seemed like a sweet spot for an experiment that I don't want to dump a ton of cash into. Pics to come as they are built up and installed. Going to run a Trailblazer in back and a Trail Boss (3.0") up front. My friends rims were the same 30mm ID as the Eastons, so the fit should be perfect.

  194. #194
    mtbr member
    Reputation: cpolism's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    248
    Has anyone tried the 3.0 Nobby Nic or Rocket Ron on a internal 35 or close rim? I'm hoping that'll fit in the rear.

  195. #195
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    69
    I've got the 2.8 Nobby Nic on Scraper i45 in the rear of my Yelli and honestly there is no way the 3.0 would fit. I have the 3.0 on the front and I highly doubt that 10mm will be enough to make a difference. The 3.0 is def. a good bit larger than the 2.8. I love the Nobby Nics though. They are a million times better than the WTB TB that only lasted 2 rides.

  196. #196
    mtbr member
    Reputation: cpolism's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    248
    Quote Originally Posted by xpeppyx View Post
    I've got the 2.8 Nobby Nic on Scraper i45 in the rear of my Yelli and honestly there is no way the 3.0 would fit. I have the 3.0 on the front and I highly doubt that 10mm will be enough to make a difference. The 3.0 is def. a good bit larger than the 2.8. I love the Nobby Nics though. They are a million times better than the WTB TB that only lasted 2 rides.
    Roger that. Thanks for the heads up. I might consider going with a similar setup 2.8NN rear and 3.0NN front. I am curious about the rocket ron 3.0 in the back, but might just stick with a 2.8 per your suggestion. Just got my set up in, can't wait to ride these...27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!-img_1765.jpg27.5+ WTB Tires and a 2013 Nimble 9= Fun as h_ll!!!!!-img_1769.jpg

  197. #197
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    69
    The 3.0 and 2.8 NN combo is great. The sidewall stiffness verses the WTB Trail Boss/Trailblazer combo is night and day. I was able to drop 4psi front and rear over the WTB's. Running 14psi front and 16psi rear.

  198. #198
    mtbr member
    Reputation: LyNx's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    24,083
    Out of curiosity, how much do you weigh? I'm about 165lbs (geared up about 180lbs) and I've been running the WTB Asym i35 and WTB Trailblazer @ 16 PSI without any issue so far, no gear, just bottle on the frame, tooling around nearby trails with no drops.

    Quote Originally Posted by xpeppyx View Post
    The 3.0 and 2.8 NN combo is great. The sidewall stiffness verses the WTB Trail Boss/Trailblazer combo is night and day. I was able to drop 4psi front and rear over the WTB's. Running 14psi front and 16psi rear.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold
    You're doing mtbr wrong, you're supposed to get increasingly offended by the implications that you're doing ANYTHING wrong.

  199. #199
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    69
    I'm only 155 geared up, but my local trails are Moab, Fruita and Grand Junction. The paper thin sidewalls and less than aggressive tread on the WTB's just don't work out here. Too many sharp rocks and drops for them to handle. I tried running lower pressure in the WTB's but it made them squirm on the slick rock and got me a couple of small dents on drops. I had 3 sidewall tears in two rides. Two were patched and the 3rd had me throwing away the tire. As always the trails you ride will really determine what tires will work for you.

  200. #200
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    72
    Quote Originally Posted by xpeppyx View Post
    I've got the 2.8 Nobby Nic on Scraper i45 in the rear of my Yelli and honestly there is no way the 3.0 would fit
    Any chance you can throw a set of calipers over that and give us an actual measurement for that combo? I've got the WTB 2.8 mounted on a 30mm id rim and don't have much room to spare, but the 2.8's really measure closer to 2.6" Just curious if the Schwalbe's are over/under/etc. Thanks.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. 2013 Nimble 9 Build Thread!
    By Aaron1017 in forum Canfield
    Replies: 178
    Last Post: 11-21-2016, 01:45 PM
  2. My 2013 nimble 9
    By atcilscot in forum Canfield
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 06-05-2014, 11:36 AM
  3. can 2013 nimble 9 run a 9X135 rear hub?
    By bombermani in forum Canfield
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 04-23-2014, 12:17 PM
  4. Any 2013 Nimble 9 news?
    By dezs3028 in forum Canfield
    Replies: 115
    Last Post: 03-22-2013, 11:06 AM
  5. New Canfield Nimble 9 for 2013!
    By sslos in forum 29er Bikes
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 02-07-2013, 10:11 PM

Members who have read this thread: 3

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

THE SITE

ABOUT MTBR

VISIT US AT

© Copyright 2020 VerticalScope Inc. All rights reserved.