2019 Bikes?

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  • 09-27-2018
    PattD
    2019 Bikes?
    Men...women....children....I'm jonesin' for a new Canfield. Been on the Nimble 9.and Balance for a while now. I'm buying a new bike and I really want a new Canfield!!!! If you just tell me it's going to take a while to get your shit together I get it...no complaints....I'm empathetic to the purgatory you must be living in currently....but I just dont want to pull the trigger on another bike to "get me by" and you guys roll out the reinvention of the wheel....or electricity or something. Ive researched and test ridden adnauseum and nothing compares. You guys were light years ahead in a great, small, American business. You beat the field of conglomerates and weren't beholden to the rules of large scale manufacturing. You did it your way and your crew of merry men and women love it. Just open up your hearts to your cast of fans and let us know what's on the horizon.

    Keeping the Canfield stoke alive in spirit! Here's to 2019
  • 09-27-2018
    Raleighguy29
    Iíve been on my epo riot balance since 2016 and added a nimble9 this pst spring and as much I want to see what they bring out. My bikes were so far ahead of almost every one elseís that Iím good


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  • 09-27-2018
    dubthang
    Wanted a new Riot. Bought a Mondraker Foxy 29 instead. Just couldn't wait any longer.
  • 09-28-2018
    Cerberus75
    There's Instagram post that are vague, and the big bike prototype being raced. Im hoping that this means testing for bikes in 2019. Im really replying so ill get notifications if someone else knows something.
  • 09-28-2018
    Glenngineer
    Here's your new Riot benchmark.

    https://www.evil-bikes.com/products/offering
  • 09-30-2018
    PattD
    I saw that! I hope these guys bring something to market but not holding out hope
  • 09-30-2018
    hitechredneck
    subscribed for updates
  • 09-30-2018
    madamfunk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Glenngineer View Post
    Here's your new Riot benchmark.

    https://www.evil-bikes.com/products/offering

    Hard to get excited about it with the price points of all the Horst DTC offerings.
  • 09-30-2018
    Gman086
    Actually the Yeti SB130 and 150 are both slacker than the Offering while retaining the nice steep effective 77 deg STA that the Riot has so... a better benchmark if you ask me. In fact Evil didn't even embrace the shorter fork offset for their builds... NO THANKS! The price for both bikes is rather bothersome tho! I'm holding out to see what the new Jeffsy looks like in January. Definitely not holding my breath for a new Riot but it is becoming rather obvious that the other manufacturers are copying the Riot's geometry for the "new gen" of 29'r bikes.

    Have FUN!

    G MAN
  • 10-01-2018
    Glenngineer
    Agreed...2019 Jeffrey rumors are a lot more interesting.
  • 10-04-2018
    schlockinz
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Raleighguy29 View Post
    Iíve been on my epo riot balance since 2016 and added a nimble9 this pst spring and as much I want to see what they bring out. My bikes were so far ahead of almost every one elseís that Iím good


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    People have been trying to sell me a new bike for the two years I've had my riot, couldn't agree more with the above. Other bikes are just starting to catch up to the feel of this bike, but the riot still pedals better than the other mid travel 29r bikes built by any large company.

    Hoping to see some signs of life in the way of newer frames, otherwise I might cave and go the route of GGs The Smash in another year or so.
  • 10-04-2018
    Raleighguy29
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by schlockinz View Post
    People have been trying to sell me a new bike for the two years I've had my riot, couldn't agree more with the above. Other bikes are just starting to catch up to the feel of this bike, but the riot still pedals better than the other mid travel 29r bikes built by any large company.

    Hoping to see some signs of life in the way of newer frames, otherwise I might cave and go the route of GGs The Smash in another year or so.

    Pretty much every new long travel or aggressive 29 bike is adopting the riots geo. My balance pedals way better then any other bike in its segment Iíve tried out. And I run mine with a coil shock. Matter of fact I was just out in Duluth pedaling and riding park on my balance. After riding cfb suspension I find myself not liking the others much at all. I road a new foes fxr at my local tails a couple weeks ago. And while it was a good decending bike. It just doesnít pedal like my balance.


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  • 10-04-2018
    PattD
    @CSquared c'mon man! Here's a link to my bank account just take out what you need to get this party started. :)
  • 10-05-2018
    callmesb
    Subscribed
  • 10-05-2018
    Cerberus75
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Raleighguy29 View Post
    Pretty much every new long travel or aggressive 29 bike is adopting the riots geo. My balance pedals way better then any other bike in its segment Iíve tried out. And I run mine with a coil shock. Matter of fact I was just out in Duluth pedaling and riding park on my balance. After riding cfb suspension I find myself not liking the others much at all. I road a new foes fxr at my local tails a couple weeks ago. And while it was a good decending bike. It just doesnít pedal like my balance.


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    Not to sound like a fan boy but Ive yet to find an efficient platform that doesn't hang up except for CFB. Every time ive tested a bike it left me disappointed. So I'm going stick with my Riot and wait.
  • 10-05-2018
    ScottieM8
    I know a few people that will be in the market for a new bike next spring. They ask me for recommendations since I've ridden many bikes and I tell them Canfields are the best riding bikes out there. I love my Balance, ride it on park days to epic days. Does everything great. Hope they have things worked out soon because there will be a few potential customers opening their wallets including myself.
  • 10-06-2018
    Blatant
    Genuine curiosity: What specifically are you guys finding so groundbreaking about the Riot that other brands have copied? Iím a big fan of the brand and have owned 5 or 6 Canfields over the years.

    That said ó and Iím not trying to be a d!ck ó I did not think my Riot was revolutionary. The suspension had a nice feel and the bike pedaled fine. But super-heavy AND flexy in the rear. If Iím lugging around an extra 2 or 3 pounds over other competing frames, I expect it to be stiff.

    I guess the super-short rear on a suspension bike was pretty radical at the time. Made the bike poppy and fun on certain trails. But in Phoenix on high-speed, gnar trails, the Riot was pretty sketchy if Iím being honest.

    Youíll note most of the better-performing rigs today sport longer chainstays.

    Again, Iím not knocking the bike, though it definitely was not for me. Would be stoked to have Canfield back in action.
  • 10-06-2018
    Cerberus75
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    Genuine curiosity: What specifically are you guys finding so groundbreaking about the Riot that other brands have copied? Iím a big fan of the brand and have owned 5 or 6 Canfields over the years.

    That said ó and Iím not trying to be a d!ck ó I did not think my Riot was revolutionary. The suspension had a nice feel and the bike pedaled fine. But super-heavy AND flexy in the rear. If Iím lugging around an extra 2 or 3 pounds over other competing frames, I expect it to be stiff.

    I guess the super-short rear on a suspension bike was pretty radical at the time. Made the bike poppy and fun on certain trails. But in Phoenix on high-speed, gnar trails, the Riot was pretty sketchy if Iím being honest.

    Youíll note most of the better-performing rigs today sport longer chainstays.

    Again, Iím not knocking the bike, though it definitely was not for me. Would be stoked to have Canfield back in action.

    Ill give you my honest take on your question. An agressive geo 140mm 29er was a new Idea when the Riot came out, Itso was 77į STA and Chainstays less than 17" , The suspension peddles as well as a DW link bike but stays active. The switchblade and Hightower came a bit later but they are not the best tech climbers IMHO there's a bit of hang up due to the spike in anti squat at sag. Now the new Offering, Smash and Fugitive are close to the Riot in Geo the chainstays are not as short but still sub 17". Most companies aren't sporting longer chainstays because its better but because it's hard to get the travel in the rear with them that short with their current design. 414mm may be too short for some. But the above mentioned are a little longer if a little more stability is needed.

    The Riot could be stiffer, lighter and take a longer fork to keep up with the rear. I think this is why most people are impatient about a newer one self included.
  • 10-06-2018
    ScottieM8
    Don't have a Riot, however, own a Balance. It is the most versatile bike I've owned in the 20 plus years I hwve ridden. The Balance takes a Plus tire up to 2.8", pedals up hill well, slays the downhill, can do standard or Boost hubs, can handle a dual crown fork, works well with either an air or coil shock. I've ran my Balance in all these configurations and they all work with great success. I don't know of many bikes that can do that. It's like having a new bike every time a setting is changed.
  • 10-06-2018
    PattD
    I haven't tried the 2.8 yet, but have run 2.8 front x 2.5 rear. I'm stoked on my Balance but knowing what these guys are capable of hoping they roll something out this coming year.
  • 10-08-2018
    TheRage43
    As my brother has decided to sell his business and go sail the world... he gave me his bikes and gear to get rid of.

    Along with probably 8 pairs of barely-used 5tens (he loves shoes I guess!), he gave me his 2013 Jedi and 2012 The ONE, and his extra parts bin which included a Fox 40 Kashima.

    Both of his bikes were in need of maintenance and rebuilding, so I started with the Jedi, stripped it down and rebuilt with some new drive train parts and got it all spiffy. She will be up for sale this week! Next, I moved onto The ONE... Along with some new drive train components and a general clean-up, I decided to toss the 40 on it and use it as a pedal-able downhill bike.

    Now... a little backstory... I had a 2013 ONE that I rode HARD for 4 full years, summer and winter riding. Trestle, AF, Keystone, Steamboat, Moab, Bootleg, all over the CO Front Range, and the occasional 30 mile ride at Buffalo Creek. This bike did it all. I ended up selling it to a friend that was begging for it with his wallet. I didn't want to sell it, but he offered me a very shiny penny which allowed me to build a primo 2017 Balance.

    My Balance is an amazing bike, no doubt! Something about it, though, just wasn't as good as The ONE. Carbon wheels, bars, cranks, X01 shifting, DVO suspension, etc... My Balance is built to the hilt! I managed to get it down to about 33 lbs with Cush Core inserts and Maxxis DD casings. Yes, I could probably shave a few lbs here and there, but with my riding style, I'd end up breaking and flatting more than I want to, so I build my bikes with more concern for durability than for weight. Even with as much as I put into the Balance, I still missed my ONE.

    Now that I've had the Balance for a bit over a year, The ONE comes back into my stable and... honestly... I haven't been this excited for a "new" bike in some time! A bit of clean up, some new shifting bits, Fox 40 on the front, BAM! A 36 lb trail slaying machine is re-born! Oddly enough, I ended up riding UPS down to the river last week with the friend I sold my ONE to, so I decided to bring my new ONE along for the ride, fully equipped with the 40. On the shuttle up there were some comments and some laughs about riding a "DH" bike on the Porcupine, but the laughing ceased when I was passing them with their 29er "long travel" 140mm bikes on my 6 year old, 26" wheeled, 36lb, 200mm travel ONE. Along the ride, the term "Down-Duro" was dubbed for my newest stable addition.

    I haven't been this happy with a new bike addition since I got my first ONE back in '11. This bike will be staying with me until one of us is unable to ride...


    Tl;Dr Version: Ride what makes you happy.
  • 10-08-2018
    PattD
    Great post! Post a pic of that beast sometime
  • 10-08-2018
    Rbendt
    Come on Bros!! We need some intel!!
  • 10-09-2018
    marc927
    I really want a new full-suspension bike next year. Something in the 130mm to 140mm rear travel range, 29er. Basically a full suspension nimble 9. No carbon either.
  • 10-09-2018
    Cerberus75
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by marc927 View Post
    I really want a new full-suspension bike next year. Something in the 130mm to 140mm rear travel range, 29er. Basically a full suspension nimble 9. No carbon either.

    Current Riot fits the bill.
  • 10-09-2018
    Ameiza
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    New IG teaser out
    A new teaser out on instagram today.Attachment 1219996
  • 10-09-2018
    madamfunk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ameiza View Post
    A new teaser out on instagram today.Attachment 1219996

    I don't care about carbon but I get that they want to get that thing out of the pipeline. With the delays I hope they can still be aggressive forward looking geometry. Also hope they avoid trunnion.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BfuUIaGBpaE/?hl=en


    "vorsprungsuspensionTrunnion mount... someone remind me why weíre doing this one again? Stiffer mounts to transfer more side loading to the shock, aluminium threads under heavy single shear load in the most expensive part of the shock (currently not available as a spare from at least one major manufacturer either, hopefully that changes because who wants to replace a whole shock because one bolt came loose), more part numbers along with less availability of each one, all for about 20mm more clearance above the shock that nobody is actually making use of anyway...? Exactly what problem were we trying to solve here?"
  • 10-09-2018
    marc927
    @Cerberus75
    I ride a large, no larges in stock
  • 10-09-2018
    Cerberus75
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by madamfunk View Post
    I don't care about carbon but I get that they want to get that thing out of the pipeline. With the delays I hope they can still be aggressive forward looking geometry. Also hope they avoid trunnion.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BfuUIaGBpaE/?hl=en


    "vorsprungsuspensionTrunnion mount... someone remind me why weíre doing this one again? Stiffer mounts to transfer more side loading to the shock, aluminium threads under heavy single shear load in the most expensive part of the shock (currently not available as a spare from at least one major manufacturer either, hopefully that changes because who wants to replace a whole shock because one bolt came loose), more part numbers along with less availability of each one, all for about 20mm more clearance above the shock that nobody is actually making use of anyway...? Exactly what problem were we trying to solve here?"

    I don't see a trunnion mount, but it would not surprise me. That is the way things are moving. Carbon is the "thing" for light and stiff. Id rather see more hydroform aluminum like Knolly but most people want plastic theses days. If they came out with that upper link and the ability to run a longer fork id be happy.
  • 10-09-2018
    Deerhill
    Those cranks 150s?
  • 10-10-2018
    Nurse Ben
    That pretty much sums it up.

    I've been around the Riot, I would have considered one, but I'm a big guy and I need a less noodley frame. An upgraded Riot, stiffer, lighter, stronger, that would check all the boxes.

    I bought a Smash, it's got a longer chainstay, but overall geo is solid and it climbs like a goat. Also no flex and very unlikely to break. Made in the USA. Maybe Canfield could follow GG's model?

    Canfield has a good reputation, they can keep it if they come back with a solid product.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cerberus75 View Post
    Ill give you my honest take on your question. An agressive geo 140mm 29er was a new Idea when the Riot came out, Itso was 77į STA and Chainstays less than 17" , The suspension peddles as well as a DW link bike but stays active. The switchblade and Hightower came a bit later but they are not the best tech climbers IMHO there's a bit of hang up due to the spike in anti squat at sag. Now the new Offering, Smash and Fugitive are close to the Riot in Geo the chainstays are not as short but still sub 17". Most companies aren't sporting longer chainstays because its better but because it's hard to get the travel in the rear with them that short with their current design. 414mm may be too short for some. But the above mentioned are a little longer if a little more stability is needed.

    The Riot could be stiffer, lighter and take a longer fork to keep up with the rear. I think this is why most people are impatient about a newer one self included.

  • 10-11-2018
    blackbart
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    That pretty much sums it up.

    I've been around the Riot, I would have considered one, but I'm a big guy and I need a less noodley frame. An upgraded Riot, stiffer, lighter, stronger, that would check all the boxes.

    I bought a Smash, it's got a longer chainstay, but overall geo is solid and it climbs like a goat. Also no flex and very unlikely to break. Made in the USA. Maybe Canfield could follow GG's model?

    Canfield has a good reputation, they can keep it if they come back with a solid product.

    And as proof that no one bike is perfect for everyone, I'm on the lighter side and find the amount of frame flex just about perfect!
  • 10-11-2018
    Cerberus75
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    That pretty much sums it up.

    I've been around the Riot, I would have considered one, but I'm a big guy and I need a less noodley frame. An upgraded Riot, stiffer, lighter, stronger, that would check all the boxes.

    I bought a Smash, it's got a longer chainstay, but overall geo is solid and it climbs like a goat. Also no flex and very unlikely to break. Made in the USA. Maybe Canfield could follow GG's model?

    Canfield has a good reputation, they can keep it if they come back with a solid product.

    I thik GG has figured out the modular idea well. Different bikes with the same frame set up differently with links and components. Like the automobile industry has figured out a while ago.
  • 10-14-2018
    PattD
    Blatant: Just my perspective: I have a Balance and a GG SMash. I love both bikes and they both provide awesomeness in my life. I chose the Smash over the Riot due to the reports of flex and I know the GG guys well and they design their bikes stiff AF. I'm 235# so flex comes with any rear end. I was riding the GG Megatrail and Trail Pistol, but have been wanting to add the Balance to my stable for years...so once the Smash came to life I sold the Megatrail and Trail Pistol and swapped to the Balance and Smash. It's the best of both worlds having those bikes. What I'd love to see is the 29" version of the Balance...which seems like may be an offering for CF down the road...if they come back around. I feel like I can ride my 165mm Balance on just about any ride and don't feel overbiked. THe shorter chainstays make that bike extremely agile. I, personally just feel like the CBF suspension is somewhat magical. The GG guys have their bikes dialed as well, but they're also still putting out bikes, so part of the mystic is that CF Bros are on a secretive hiatus! If someone taketh away, we wanteth to get it back!!!!!!!!
  • 10-14-2018
    Blatant
    My comment was more specific to the Riot. I had a Smash, too, and a Mega early on. The Smash definitely wasnít for me but I think what GG does as a company is pretty great.
  • 12-16-2018
    idbrian
    I don't social media and only check this forum section on occasion. What is the deal with Canfield? Did something happen? Their website and online store are a mess. The website only shows 2017 bikes and the store doesn't tell you what bike sizes are available (at least for the EPO).

    I really like my EPO and was considering building up another for my wife. But i would be in the future market of a Canfield Carbon Full suspension, if that ever happened.
  • 12-16-2018
    PattD
    I don't have any firsthand knowledge, however from reading through the threads on this forum sounds like there might have been a little bit of a glitch in manufacturing something new last season that threw them off course. Being a small company, manufacturing issues can wreak havoc on your cash flow. I only wish these guys the best, as they have been forward thinkers for so long. I can only imagine if they can get things figured out they'll continue to lead the way in progressive suspension designs going forward. The CBF is as good as it gets! Depending upon the timing then ever releasing something new, the hard part is going to be keeping things at stock as I know an assload of people snatch up their new bike within seconds of it being released.
  • 12-17-2018
    crossup
    Wonder how many people out there are like me and who would love a replacement for the ONE but are afraid nothing will ever quite equal it. 26" wheels may be SO yesterday but when the package is perfect...
    I also wonder if the whole idea of 200mm travel will be replaced with bigger wheels/less travel except on race bikes.

    That may make a faster bike but for my money big travel has its own advantages. It seems beyond travel the industry is headed away from what attracts me to the ONE. I dont get why everyone wants fast steering, short chain stays, big bars and super flickablity- its a 30 something pound bike, not a 240lb motorcycle. I do realize that bikes are slacker now then ever but still seems there is a lot of focus on extreme nimbleness.

    I get this all the time- does it turn? dont those short bars fight you? how do you manual? how can it climb? The answer is the same, it does it all very very well with no drama and thats why I'm on the trail talking to you...calm and relaxed(not looking like I snorted an eightball).
  • 12-17-2018
    hitechredneck
    I decided that the balance will be the machine of choice for the year. I just cannot find a better all around bike for my style than it. I love my riot, but when going fast is the mission it is super hard to beat the balance. I hope the company is not dead because I cannot wait to see what comes next.
  • 12-17-2018
    Raleighguy29
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    I decided that the balance will be the machine of choice for the year. I just cannot find a better all around bike for my style than it. I love my riot, but when going fast is the mission it is super hard to beat the balance. I hope the company is not dead because I cannot wait to see what comes next.

    I feel the same way. Just had my balance down to windrock last weekend. And with the addition of the ribbon coil to the front and raze coil on the rear. This bike just slays!!


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  • 12-17-2018
    hitechredneck
    11-6 on mine. think I need a coil front to match
  • 12-17-2018
    acfsportsfan
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    Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    11-6 on mine. think I need a coil front to match

    An alternative to a front coil is getting an Avalanche Cartridge Upgrade for your Fork.
    Instant Custom, it's "Balanced" my suspension. :thumbsup:

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  • 12-18-2018
    vikb
    When I was gunning for my first 29er a Mk2 Riot was at the top of my list and I just assumed that I'd get one, but the waiting got ridiculous. I ended up on a GG Smash which is amazing for me and my riding needs.

    I'm sad I didn't get a Canfield in the fleet, but you gotta keep making bikes or people will move on.

    I hope the Brothers are able to turn the ship around. I sympathize with their situation. It's hard to make new product without money and it's hard to make money without product to sell. The classic catch-22. :(
  • 12-19-2018
    Carl Mega
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crossup View Post
    Wonder how many people out there are like me and who would love a replacement for the ONE but are afraid nothing will ever quite equal it.

    I drink some of your coolaid.

    I think there are some trends and current bikes that are in the spirit of the One...usually the category "Super Enduro". Usually around 170/180mm travel rather than the ungodly rad 200mm on the One. It's a neat and underlooked niche IMHO - maybe one Canfield could leverage but tbh I don't know how well they sell. At first, a lot of people go "oh man 180mm travel and it pedals! awesome!" but as a single quiver it's a tough niche as you better be strong, have terrain and be willing to live with some of the short comings on less intense efforts. I think a bunch of people go back to shorter travel offerings to regain the pop and liveliness on regular trails.

    That said, I love my One. I've ridden it in a number of configurations and it is a bruiser. My favorite is where I have it now: 200mm, dual crown fork, regular 1X, big brakes, big tires, dropper. As is - goes to the resorts for lift serve where I think it's even better than a full DH since it pedals and feels light and snappy in comparison. And it can go on local rides where you are looking for a ripper descent or freeride session.

    I think you inspired me to take it out and go give it some love :) A bike that delivered the goods before it's time.
  • 12-19-2018
    Cerberus75
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crossup View Post
    Wonder how many people out there are like me and who would love a replacement for the ONE but are afraid nothing will ever quite equal it. 26" wheels may be SO yesterday but when the package is perfect...
    I also wonder if the whole idea of 200mm travel will be replaced with bigger wheels/less travel except on race bikes.

    That may make a faster bike but for my money big travel has its own advantages. It seems beyond travel the industry is headed away from what attracts me to the ONE. I dont get why everyone wants fast steering, short chain stays, big bars and super flickablity- its a 30 something pound bike, not a 240lb motorcycle. I do realize that bikes are slacker now then ever but still seems there is a lot of focus on extreme nimbleness.

    I get this all the time- does it turn? dont those short bars fight you? how do you manual? how can it climb? The answer is the same, it does it all very very well with no drama and thats why I'm on the trail talking to you...calm and relaxed(not looking like I snorted an eightball).

    They have a few prototypes people have been seen racing. Its a 200mm bike. It will take 27.5 or 29 wheels.
  • 12-19-2018
    crossup
    We wont know till they decide to let us in on it officially, as to what its for. For now its being raced DH so I'm thinking its a Jedi replacement not a ONE. Only they know but F1's and Jedi's where around far longer than the ONE and I would think out sold the ONE, so a bigger market hole to fill.

    Also while I think the ONE was big hit with a certain riders, to me the bulk of them were setup with less than 200mm and that indicates where the core market is. Those of us running 200mm are a minority of a minority segment of riders...hardly a situation for a small company to risk satisfying. I also think a lot of people think 170-180mm with 29s is the equal of 200mm 26" and I can't say they are wrong as I have no 29 experience but I will be surprised if that combo is capable of being as plush- again not something most are looking for.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cerberus75 View Post
    They have a few prototypes people have been seen racing. Its a 200mm bike. It will take 27.5 or 29 wheels.