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    Happy New Year everyone! We are super excited about 2015 as we have a few projects that will be coming into fruition in the upcoming months. As a preview into what we have been working on, we silently leaked few shots of Chris riding the Riot prototype in an edit we filmed with snowboard legend, Jeremy Jones. It was released last week by Teton Gravity Research in Jeremy Jones's webisode, Hitting the Road.

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    The Canfield Brothers geo revolution continues! Full Riot details to be released this spring with frames due to ship late summer, 2015.

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    Please tell me there is room for 650bx3.25.Those stays look way short!

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    I'm super pumped!

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    2015 Canfield Brothers Riot

    Exactly what I've been waiting for. Can't wait to hear more!


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    Thank you for everyone that helped us out on this edit, esp. my good friend Joshy Clements for putting this together! Jeremy is even riding one of our Balance demos at 3:04 in the background. As as snowboarder for over 20+ years, filming this edit was a dream for me. Jeremy is about as down to earth as they come and SO supportive to small brands such as Canfield Brothers. Thanks Jeremy... YOU ROCK!

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    2015 Canfield Brothers Riot

    Can't wait to see details. Does Jan 2nd count as "this spring"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AOK View Post
    Can't wait to see details. Does Jan 2nd count as "this spring"?
    If I could give you a facebook style "like" I would... haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    Thank you for everyone that helped us out on this edit, esp. my good friend Joshy Clements for putting this together! Jeremy is even riding one of our Balance demos at 3:04 in the background. As as snowboarder for over 20+ years, filming this edit was a dream for me. Jeremy is about as down to earth as they come and SO supportive to small brands such as Canfield Brothers. Thanks Jeremy... YOU ROCK!

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    Pretty stoked to see what unfolds. It will be good to try this after a season on the Process 111
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    Dear god I can't wait to see the specs. Looks pretty damn compelling for sure. Wow!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    2015 Canfield Brothers Riot 29er FS

    Happy New Year everyone! We are super excited about 2015 as we have a few projects that will be coming into fruition in the upcoming months. As a preview into what we have been working on, we silently leaked few shots of Chris riding the Riot prototype in an edit we filmed with snowboard legend, Jeremy Jones. It was released last week by Teton Gravity Research in Jeremy Jones's webisode, Hitting the Road.

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    The Canfield Brothers geo revolution continues! Full Riot details to be released this spring with frames due to ship late summer, 2015.

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    According to the map at the beginning of the vid, you guys went right by Redding and you didn't stop by and go for a ride with me, dang I'm bummed.
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    The most important 2015 news to date!
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    Sooooo, this is a FS 29er??

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    Sooooo, this is a FS 29er??
    Correct

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    Whelp.... there it is!!!!!!! Another one to add to the Canfield fleet... What is the perfect number of Canfield Brother bikes to own???
    CB + 1= # owned
    (CB=current Canfields owned)

    Can't wait to check it out when I come out early summer!!!!!!

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    Sweet! I'm still gonna bug to post more pics of it in the air!
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    Finally a 29er I might be interested in.

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    Yes! I'm super stoked. I've been trying to find a FS 29er for the past few weeks, and I'm willing to wait to hear more about this one. Great company, great people and great bikes! Currently riding a Nimble 9.

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    Currently the Banshee Prime and the Transition Smuggler make up my "list." Can't wait to learn more about this. If it's half as fun as my Nimble it'll knock the others WAY off my list.
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    I assume you mean Phantom, but I'm with you. The Phantom really opened my eyes to how much fun a bike with the right geometry could be. Much more important than travel alone.

    I do have a Smuggler on order as it seems to take that philosophy a step further.

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    Great news!!! I hope BlkMrkt Bikes doesn't get cheesed over the bike name...

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    Looks good. Take my money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrawn View Post
    I hope BlkMrkt Bikes doesn't get cheesed over the bike name...
    Or Ghost Bikes too, in Europe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I assume you mean Phantom, but I'm with you. The Phantom really opened my eyes to how much fun a bike with the right geometry could be. Much more important than travel alone.

    I do have a Smuggler on order as it seems to take that philosophy a step further.
    Actually meant Prime. Too many "P" bikes with Banshee. haha

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    Bros, please don't stick with 135/142mm dropouts, put in some nicely wide 150mm or the new boost 148mm instead... those aggressive 29ers definitely need a stiffer wheel out back.
    In my Yelli I had to go with a singlespeed hub (with 7 cogs in it) to have a wide spacing and a strong wheel...

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    I agree with savo.Bost 148mm for stiffness and should help to provide a bit more clearance for 3.0 width tires.Also seems like fork makers are gonna go 15x110mm for more stiffness and tire clearance.

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    I'd like it to have a front derailleur like the Balance, does it have one in the vid? Wonder how much travel, pretty sure everything else will be dialed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    I'd like it to have a front derailleur like the Balance, does it have one in the vid? Wonder how much travel, pretty sure everything else will be dialed...
    It has at least three blinks worth of travel.
    Originally Posted by KillingtonVT Three blinks...

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    mmm I don't think we need a front derailleur in a 2015 trailbike, I'd hope they ditch it and take all the freedom to design the best rear end that a 29er can have.

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    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    mmm I don't think we need a front derailleur in a 2015 trailbike, I'd hope they ditch it and take all the freedom to design the best rear end that a 29er can have.
    This!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    mmm I don't think we need a front derailleur in a 2015 trailbike, I'd hope they ditch it and take all the freedom to design the best rear end that a 29er can have.
    Well said!

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    It's nice to change the suspension kinematics and have more range, didn't seem to be a problem on the Balance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    It's nice to change the suspension kinematics and have more range, didn't seem to be a problem on the Balance
    maybe, but I think it's nicer to have the suspension cinematics designed around one front chainring size only, and to have freedom to design the linkage and the rear triangle without having to take a front derailleur into account. that would probably help to keep the chainstay shorter too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gouda Cheez View Post
    Exactly what I've been waiting for. Can't wait to hear more!


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    Doh! I somehow missed this post and stumbled on to it now, just as I was about to throw all my eggs in Evil's new 29er basket.

    It's gonna be pretty tough to wait until Spring to hear more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    mmm I don't think we need a front derailleur in a 2015 trailbike, I'd hope they ditch it and take all the freedom to design the best rear end that a 29er can have.
    +1 more....

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    mmm I don't think we need a front derailleur in a 2015 trailbike, I'd hope they ditch it and take all the freedom to design the best rear end that a 29er can have.
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    Vin, when can I come over to Irongate and ride the proto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    mmm I don't think we need a front derailleur in a 2015 trailbike, I'd hope they ditch it and take all the freedom to design the best rear end that a 29er can have.
    +1!!!

    Someone correct me if this would not work.... But could you utilize the same bolt on front derailleur mount set up from the Nimble 9??

    Thus allowing a clean seat tube for the 1x kids and a proper 2x/3x set up for old school folks and people with huge climbs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by slo_rider View Post
    It's gonna be pretty tough to wait until Spring to hear more...
    Right, Evil's new 29er is so intriguing now... Bros hurry up showing us details please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    Right, Evil's new 29er is so intriguing now... Bros hurry up showing us details please!
    +1

    Can you give us some geometry details if nothing else?

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    I never tried it.. Why do you guys like 1x, doesn't that big rear cog mean a long cage derailleur and longer chain?
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    Posted this in the evil thread, so I thought I might as well post it here as well. Interested to hear opinions from anyone who has ridden both. Canfield guys feel free to jump in with anything you can tell us about the riot suspension feel.


    Anyone who has ridden a DELTA bike and also a Canfield One / Balance want to weigh in on the pros & cons of the two systems? Very interested in both the Following and the upcoming Riot (read: Yelli Squishy) from Canfield. But no chance whatsoever that I will get to demo either. Especially interested in the pedaling / climbing characteristics as I am pretty confident that both will descend very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    I never tried it.. Why do you guys like 1x, doesn't that big rear cog mean a long cage derailleur and longer chain?
    Not really. Remember that you only have one front chainring that is usually 28-32T.

    So your "big-big" ring combo is like 42+30 = 72T.

    For 2x10 big-big is something like 36/36 IIRC, so about the same number of total teeth giving you a similar length chain and still a medium-ish cage derailleur.

    The big benefit of 1x IMO is you save weight, complexity, and maintenance by removing the FD and front shifter. And still get a very similar gearing range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    I never tried it.. Why do you guys like 1x, doesn't that big rear cog mean a long cage derailleur and longer chain?
    Also remember that 1x doesn't necessarily mean 1x11 with a big rear cog. For the cost of losing just a little low range, I ran 1x10 for a year or two with a 28T front and a 36t 10 speed cassette. With this combo I was running a short cage derailleur and the same or shorter length chain.

    Just depends on what gearing your legs + terrain need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pointerDixie214 View Post
    Currently the Banshee Prime and the Transition Smuggler make up my "list." Can't wait to learn more about this. If it's half as fun as my Nimble it'll knock the others WAY off my list.
    My Process 111 might be more fun than my N9, but both bikes are so much fun to ride. Lots of good 29er FS bikes to choose from this year, and they all look like they're cut from the same cloth: Process 111, Codeine, Phantom, Behemoth, Smuggler, Following, and now the Riot. I doubt you'd go wrong with any of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    I never tried it.. Why do you guys like 1x, doesn't that big rear cog mean a long cage derailleur and longer chain?

    Whaaattt, how can you have all that rad rep and know nothing about 1x

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    I've been slacking on the new fangled 11spd
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    Quote Originally Posted by slo_rider View Post
    My Process 111 might be more fun than my N9, but both bikes are so much fun to ride. Lots of good 29er FS bikes to choose from this year, and they all look like they're cut from the same cloth: Process 111, Codeine, Phantom, Behemoth, Smuggler, Following, and now the Riot. I doubt you'd go wrong with any of them.
    I hear you. I love Kona, as that was my first "real" bike that I put a ton of miles on (Cinder Cone). But I am neurotic in that I hate noise and love working on bikes myself without any funky tools, and I love reusing parts from my parts bin since I have some nice stuff. It's for that reason I can't go Process or any other PFBB bike as long as there's a viable alternative with the true "standard."

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    Checking in. And + another for bin the FM it compromises CS length 1 iota.

    A squishy Yelli's good by me.

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    Great name. Just when I was really getting serious about a Balance. This is especially sweet as I already have the 140 29 Pike and wheels just waiting on a new frame (although I was waiting to sell them in an effort to fund the Balance). Great...now can't sleep again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetprowanab View Post
    Great name. Just when I was really getting serious about a Balance. This is especially sweet as I already have the 140 29 Pike and wheels just waiting on a new frame (although I was waiting to sell them in an effort to fund the Balance). Great...now can't sleep again.
    First world problems...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    It has at least three blinks worth of travel.
    Originally Posted by KillingtonVT Three blinks...
    3 blinks = more than 120mm travel (from this thread)

    but hard to tell how much more from this shot
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    curious if the Riot is competition for E29, Trailfox, WFO, Prime, Lunchbox, etc, or if it's intended to step into the octagon with the Process, Smuggler, Phantom, Behemoth, Following, etc?

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    Was wondering what 3 blinks meant (that other link wasn't working). ^^it looks good

    *who knows the shock size?
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    I can't wait to see the final geo numbers.

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    been waiting for this bike since My first ride on my older Gen 1 nimble. Now its time to start counting days. No more worries about modding my existing bike. Just buy a new one in spring......

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    Ghost bikes is also releasing a bike called "Riot" for 2015. I wonder how this will play out? (solo/5010)

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    Ghost bikes is also releasing a bike called "Riot" for 2015. I wonder how this will play out? (solo/5010)
    I predict a dance off!


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    I don't know there you guys ride......but for high-altitude biking in the Alps with long and really steep climbs - good luck if you haven't got legs and lungs of Superman!
    I have seen a couple of 1*11 riders above 2500m and still a steep climb to go - well, they didn't look that relaxed anymore! :=)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Was wondering what 3 blinks meant (that other link wasn't working). ^^it looks good

    *who knows the shock size?
    Post #8 should answer your question. http://forums.mtbr.com/canfield/so-w...l#post10385159

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    I wonder if this bike will feature the coming 148mm rear axle standard?... Sucks from a compatibility standpoint, but seems like a good idea on most if not all technical fronts. This is the type of bike that seems like it would stand the most to gain.

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    Also, can we run a Lefty on it?

    And if I'd like to run a 35mm stem for ENDURO fit, should I get the XL or the XXL size? I am 5'-8".


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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    Also, can we run a Lefty on it?...
    HA! I'm guessing the Riot will have the same auto-destruct reaction to Lefty as Evil's Following ;^)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Post #8 should answer your question. http://forums.mtbr.com/canfield/so-w...l#post10385159
    Good thing the guy from the trailhead is wrong about the name...hope he's wrong about the weight too : D
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    Quote Originally Posted by slo_rider View Post
    HA! I'm guessing the Riot will have the same auto-destruct reaction to Lefty as Evil's Following ;^)
    It should.

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    Also, can we run a Lefty on it?

    And if I'd like to run a 35mm stem for ENDURO fit, should I get the XL or the XXL size? I am 5'-8".

    Haha....surely you jest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Post #8 should answer your question. http://forums.mtbr.com/canfield/so-w...l#post10385159
    Post #8 was funny.

    Post #13 was better: Per KillingtonVT, it sounds like Riot will have between 120-130mm rear travel, can handle 120-140mm fork, have approx 68* HA, and approx 17" chainstays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slo_rider View Post
    Post #8 was funny.

    Post #13 was better: Per KillingtonVT, it sounds like Riot will have between 120-130mm rear travel, can handle 120-140mm fork, have approx 68* HA, and approx 17" chainstays.
    Right but post #13 is from some 20 months ago... things may have changed since.

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    Problem, there are some reasonable, short term, deals here in the UK on a Kona Process 111. I'm pretty close to pushing the button.

    But I don't want to do this. I'm a Canfield fanboi, I already have a Yelli and a N9.

    Help me out here Bros. Why should I wait for the Riot, what can you tell me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghetto View Post
    Problem, there are some reasonable, short term, deals here in the UK on a Kona Process 111. I'm pretty close to pushing the button.

    But I don't want to do this. I'm a Canfield fanboi, I already have a Yelli and a N9.

    Help me out here Bros. Why should I wait for the Riot, what can you tell me?

    I don't speak for the bros or anyone but myself, but... if you are considering a single pivot kona and the deal is tempting you might not be a Canfield suspension kind of guy.

    Based on all the previous Canfiled suspension I'd say it's unlikely the Riot will compete with a bike like the Process on price, even with the Kona at full retail. I'd also say if it rides anything like the One that the suspension will be in a whole other league. IMO if you can't tell or are indifferent to the difference between a single pivot and a multi-link like Canfield uses, I see no reason to go with the more complicated and expensive system. If, on the other hand, you appreciate the nuances of suspension that works really, really well and are willing to pay for it, I'd hold out for the Riot.

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    Have you ridden a modern Kona? I owned a Process for a bit and was quite impressed with its suspension performance relative to most other more complex and expensive suspension systems.

    If they would put a couple more inches of seat tube on the frame so I didn't have to run a mile of post, I'd probably buy a 111 today.

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    That was going to be my next question - how different can the Riot be compared to the Process 111 and other "short travel progressive" frames?

    The angles and numbers are likely to be ballpark comparable, so it comes down to suspension I guess.

    I know nothing about suspension (now) and don't own an FS. But I'm willing to be educated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    I wonder if this bike will feature the coming 148mm rear axle standard?... Sucks from a compatibility standpoint, but seems like a good idea on most if not all technical fronts. This is the type of bike that seems like it would stand the most to gain.
    Might as well just go 150 x 12, no, vs stocking another axle standard of a rear wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Might as well just go 150 x 12, no, vs stocking another axle standard of a rear wheel.

    Why not 190/197 so we can fit fatbike tires too?

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    Why stop there? Make it wider and we can put truck tires on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Might as well just go 150 x 12, no, vs stocking another axle standard of a rear wheel.
    Yeah, yet another standard sucks, but 150 x 12 can be a bit of a pain like my 135x10 thru-bolt wheels were with the axle ends not being captured in a recess in the dropout....Not a huge deal, I know, but I did cuss that setup on more than one occasion putting the rear wheel back in.

    Quote Originally Posted by slowride454 View Post
    Why not 190/197 so we can fit fatbike tires too?
    That's not the kind of bike I'd be looking for....I wouldn't want that wide a Q-Factor since I'd probably never put 4 or 5" tires in it. But pushing things out enough to be able to have short stays & plenty of 29er tire clearance, which seems fundamental to Canfield's appeal, plus the ability to run 650b+ and maintain a normal Q-factor seems pretty cool.

    I'm bringing this up not because I'm advocating it necessarily, I'm just starting to see all the chatter and I'm wondering if this is really going to become the new defacto standard.. Or is it going to be like Giant's overdrive steerers, and not really stick across all brands. Obviously Trek and some of the other bigs are doing it.... if smaller builders like Canfield are planning to do it too that tells me that it's going to become the new normal and maybe I'll slow down on plans for more 142x12 wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    Yeah, yet another standard sucks, but 150 x 12 can be a bit of a pain like my 135x10 thru-bolt wheels were with the axle ends not being captured in a recess in the dropout....Not a huge deal, I know, but I did cuss that setup on more than one occasion putting the rear wheel back in..
    157x12 then, same hub as a 150mm but with axle ends captured in a dropout recess.

    I think the 150/157mm option to be my preferred, but the new boost 148mm will be good too. Just ditch the 135/142mm please... stiffer rear weel is a need for this sort of 29er bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    157x12 then, same hub as a 150mm but with axle ends captured in a dropout recess.

    I think the 150/157mm option to be my preferred, but the new boost 148mm will be good too. Just ditch the 135/142mm please... stiffer rear weel is a need for this sort of 29er bikes.
    Meh, I'm good w/ 150 uncaptured. It's not like the rear wheel is taken off the bike very often. My rear wheel on the Jedi was removed all of twice last summer, and the rear wheel on my Tallboy was pulled off the frame less than 1/2 dzn times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghetto View Post
    Problem, there are some reasonable, short term, deals here in the UK on a Kona Process 111. I'm pretty close to pushing the button.

    But I don't want to do this. I'm a Canfield fanboi, I already have a Yelli and a N9.

    Help me out here Bros. Why should I wait for the Riot, what can you tell me?
    Quote Originally Posted by Joules View Post
    I don't speak for the bros or anyone but myself, but... if you are considering a single pivot kona and the deal is tempting you might not be a Canfield suspension kind of guy.

    Based on all the previous Canfiled suspension I'd say it's unlikely the Riot will compete with a bike like the Process on price, even with the Kona at full retail. I'd also say if it rides anything like the One that the suspension will be in a whole other league. IMO if you can't tell or are indifferent to the difference between a single pivot and a multi-link like Canfield uses, I see no reason to go with the more complicated and expensive system. If, on the other hand, you appreciate the nuances of suspension that works really, really well and are willing to pay for it, I'd hold out for the Riot.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghetto View Post
    That was going to be my next question - how different can the Riot be compared to the Process 111 and other "short travel progressive" frames?

    The angles and numbers are likely to be ballpark comparable, so it comes down to suspension I guess.

    I know nothing about suspension (now) and don't own an FS. But I'm willing to be educated.
    My $0.02:
    FWIW, I own a 1st gen N9 and picked up a Process 111 this past fall. I've also owned a couple of other single pivots as well as a few virtual pivot/mini-link bikes over the years. Without going into detail about single pivot vs mini-link designs, I'll try to give my general impressions.

    I agree w/ others in this Process 111 thread who've described the Process more or less as a FS version of their N9s or YSs, and all that implies--the Process 111 may be the most fun mountain bike I've ridden or owned so far (and that's going back 20+ years). Although the Process' pivot location should cause the rear suspension to compress a bit when pedaling, I've not noticed any significant "bob" when mashing on the pedals, and if anything, my Process feels pretty firm and efficient as opposed to feeling supple or plush.

    Virtual pivot/mini-link suspensions (like the Balance and prior Canfields) can be designed to fall anywhere on the spectrum from super active/plush to super efficient, so one can't simply generalize. But the Balance seems to strike a good balance (sorry) between pedaling efficiency and suspension action, so hopefully the Riot will as well. The other typical advantage the mini-link designs have over single pivots is minimizing brake-induced squat, allowing virtual pivots to remain more active during braking than single pivots. But that's less of a big deal if you transition from a hardtail to a single pivot.

    Dunno what kind of deals you can score for the Process (2014 vs 2015, etc), but msrp for the 2015 111 is $4100 USD and that includes a Pike instead of Revelations that were spec'd on the 2014 models. Riot frame pricing may be similar to Balance, which is currently listed for $2100 USD. The Riot has potential to outperform the Process, but the differences in suspension may be subtle (especially for a short travel bike), and it will cost you in terms of time and possibly money. All things considered, I think you could do a helluva lot worse than getting a Process 111 as your first FS bike.
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    As there has been quite a bit of talk about current, new and future dropout standards in this thread, I wanted to add that we are looking for continuity across our All Mountain line of frames. As the Nimble and Balance are both 142x12, our new Riot will be following suit with this standard.

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    How dare you keep it simple and try to standardize something

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    As there has been quite a bit of talk about current, new and future dropout standards in this thread, I wanted to add that we are looking for continuity across our All Mountain line of frames. As the Nimble and Balance are both 142x12, our new Riot will be following suit with this standard.
    There you have it! Good to know....thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    As there has been quite a bit of talk about current, new and future dropout standards in this thread, I wanted to add that we are looking for continuity across our All Mountain line of frames. As the Nimble and Balance are both 142x12, our new Riot will be following suit with this standard.
    What about the Yelli? Any plans to redesign the dropouts to match?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    +1 more....
    (regarding the comments about a front mech -- I dont want one if it means the chainstays need to be longer!)

    ditto -- would prefer short rear than front mech

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    Im riding 32 x 11->34 on my Yelli here in the Pyrenees :-) But then I've been riding a singlespeed for 15 years :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    As there has been quite a bit of talk about current, new and future dropout standards in this thread, I wanted to add that we are looking for continuity across our All Mountain line of frames. As the Nimble and Balance are both 142x12, our new Riot will be following suit with this standard.
    What a novel concept. This is why I love the Bros' bikes. Threaded BB and an actual standard axle... whodathunkit!

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    Im dying waiting to hear more about this. This is the one bike I have been waiting for for a few years now since my first ride on my gen 1 nimble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    The Canfield Brothers geo revolution continues! Full Riot details to be released this spring with frames due to ship late summer, 2015.
    Isn't february spring enough?

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    2015 Canfield Brothers Riot 29er FS

    http://www.ajc.com/news/news/georgia...-spring/nj3BJ/

    Early spring! Details already!

    (Don't listen to that Yankee groundhog in PA - he doesn't know what he's talking about. )

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    Do we think the Riot will resemble the aforementioned Kona Process 111 geometry wise? I ask not out of the need to own a bike with the latest geometry paradigm but as a 6 foot 6 guy who's 2012 XL Kona Honzo fits him very well and is looking for his first full suspension bike this spring.

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    Hmm may have to sell my new fatty for one... Loved my yelli but wanted a fs so this looks good.
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    Now that I finished my Yelli build....i'm itching to build another frame...full suspension this time. I was dreaming about a Balance, but honestly, I may wait and see how this Riot pans out...very exciting!
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    2015 Canfield Brothers Riot 29er FS

    Anyone who has ridden a Balance want to chime in with some suspension comparisons to other designs like DW link, Banshee KS link, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by killingtonvt View Post
    the canfield brothers geo revolution continues! Full riot details to be released this spring with frames due to ship late summer, 2015.
    *bump*

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    Time change this weekend..

    Who knows shock size for the Riot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike View Post
    200 x 57

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    If the chainstay is in the 17-17.25 inch range, I'm in.

    I'm currently loving my Evil Following, but this could make a nice stablemate.

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    Those are long chainstays in Canfield land.
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    Re: 2015 Canfield Brothers Riot 29er FS

    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike View Post
    Those are long chainstays in Canfield land.
    Agreed. I rode my N9 with them slammed all the way in.

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    Sweet, @ 2" is a smart choice.. I don't get along with smaller shocks in the 1" range.

    Anybody know the wheelbase for L & XL?
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    Any idea on frame weight? More or less than the balance? Hoping the complete package with shock is no more than say 7 - 7.5 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by flymybike View Post
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    Now lets get to some speculation: a 2.5:1 leverage ratio would give 142.5mm travel; 3:1 gives 171.
    (for reference the One had a 2.86, Balance 2.81) Seems like the Riot will be 150-160? That's a big 29er...

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    I'm guessing 130-140mm travel.

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    -Wheelbase/ Seat tube?

    -Raw?

    thx
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    Another couple of new tidbits would be nice.Just put my ys up for sale in preparation for this frame!

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    It feels like spring here in Surrey, UK, but as there is no further info on the Riot I must be mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules View Post
    Now lets get to some speculation: a 2.5:1 leverage ratio would give 142.5mm travel; 3:1 gives 171.
    (for reference the One had a 2.86, Balance 2.81) Seems like the Riot will be 150-160? That's a big 29er...
    @ 145-155mm would be nice


    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    160 would be a good match to the Fox 36 29er in 160 no?
    If the bb could be kept to ~13.75" w/ that amount of travel, the BB drop would be so woooo! ISCG05, and a lower link like the Jedi tucked up and out of rocks! That link setup might allow for some rearward axle path action too!

    And, maybe 1.5" HT so the front stack can be kept shorty ZS/ZS cups? Longish top tubes for good reach and also we can run shorty stems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules View Post
    Seems like the Riot will be 150-160? That's a big 29er...
    160 would be a good match to the Fox 36 29er in 160 no?
    If the bb could be kept to ~13.75" w/ that amount of travel, the BB drop would be so woooo!

    I'd like to see the Bros forgo the front mech to get shorty stays, ISCG05, and a lower link like the Jedi tucked up and out of rocks! That link setup might allow for some rearward axle path action too!

    And, maybe 1.5" HT so the front stack can be kept shorty and much more adjustable headset angles w/ the Works Component units...say 100mm ZS/ZS cups? Longish top tubes for good reach and also we can run shorty stems.

    Where do I rank for e-speculations?

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    Its going to be 70+ degrees in Northern Utah today. I think spring has sprung. Any chance we can have a little more info on the Riot yet?
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    Now please... update the project with 148mm rear hub compatibility.

    SRAM Cranks Up The Boost with New Hubs, Cranks, and Wheels for 148 and 110mm Axles

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    Honestly all these new standards suck. I've never felt my current wheels were too flexy etc. That said, I was in the market for either a Riot or Following but will now put my purchase on hold to see where things shake out. Again, the current standard is fine, but at the cost of a new frame, fork and wheels I want to be sure what I'm buying is up to date and wont dive in re-sale like 26" wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chowdapilot View Post
    I've never felt my current wheels were too flexy etc.
    I did, instead.
    that's why my yelli has a singlespeed rear hub with 8 cogs on, and why I'm hoping the new Riot will not miss the 148mm option.

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    No worries, in fairness I got my wheels at a discount years ago. They are the only 29er wheels I've ever ridden and slightly overbuilt w 36h hubs.

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    Spring yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    I did, instead.
    that's why my yelli has a singlespeed rear hub with 8 cogs on, and why I'm hoping the new Riot will not miss the 148mm option.
    Canfield has already said 142x12 for the Riot earlier in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AOK View Post
    Canfield has already said 142x12 for the Riot earlier in this thread.
    Rightfully so.

    Go 142x12!!


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    This new boost idea can suck my pelotas. Suck them long and suck them hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AOK View Post
    Canfield has already said 142x12 for the Riot earlier in this thread.
    yes i know...

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    Now spring has definitely sprung!
    come on Bros!

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    It's definitely spring and the snakes and bunnies are out. Any new details on geo/specs?

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    *bump*

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    Once the info comes out, full geo and approximate weights would be nice. Hoping this frame doesn't break the 8lb mark w shock. Love my process, just wish I could build it up a pound or two less.

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    Hope the L is not under 7lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Hope the L is not under 7lbs
    NOT under 7 lbs?

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    7 to 8 lbs in large size is ok for me... But geo are way more important, I hope to hear something in the next days...

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    Needs around 140-160 and geo similar to my nimble 9 to be the bike I have always hoped for from canfield.... or any manufacturer for that matter.

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    Not that its the same suspension design, but the Lenz Lunchbox pretty much is what you described.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pointerDixie214 View Post
    NOT under 7 lbs?
    I don't like paper thin tubes, they dent too easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Not that its the same suspension design, but the Lenz Lunchbox pretty much is what you described.
    Close, but sadly that is one ugly bike. Also I am not a fan of the suspension design.

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    i was seriously looking at the LB after reading the never ending thread on how badass they are. i even talked with a guy selling his right now for a decent price, but damn they are fugly. it looks like a townie on steroids. what was devin smoking? the rawthic finish is pretty rad though

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    Quote Originally Posted by chowdapilot View Post
    Once the info comes out, full geo and approximate weights would be nice. Hoping this frame doesn't break the 8lb mark w shock. Love my process, just wish I could build it up a pound or two less.
    I have a Process 111. Also Canfield Balance and Nimble 9. None of these bikes are light. But all are tough and built to last. I've cracked carbon mtb frames and now prefer metal bikes if I'm riding anything technical. If you wan't light, there's the new Evil Following. But heaven forbid you crash anywhere near a rock. Carbon is strong and stiff but not hard and tough. And the Canfield suspension design lets the bike pedal like a lighter bike for it's travel. I expect it will pedal better than my process.
    Work expands to fit the time allotted...

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    Have to concur: I have a bunch of respect for Lenz as a company -- and looks are obviously subjective -- but dang those bikes are ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPK3 View Post
    I have a Process 111. Also Canfield Balance and Nimble 9. None of these bikes are light. But all are tough and built to last. I've cracked carbon mtb frames and now prefer metal bikes if I'm riding anything technical. If you wan't light, there's the new Evil Following. But heaven forbid you crash anywhere near a rock. Carbon is strong and stiff but not hard and tough. And the Canfield suspension design lets the bike pedal like a lighter bike for it's travel. I expect it will pedal better than my process.
    Agree with most of what you have said and I don't think I'm in any place to tell Canfield how to build their frames. That said, I rode Turners for many years and never considered them as under built. At 7.5 lbs (w shock) for an XL Sultan or Burner I think these numbers are realistic. As for my process 111, it kills and the weight isn't a major concern, though I certainly don't think it (or any all mountain frame) needs to be heavier.

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    The Riot better not be an April Fools' joke.

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    Was about to say the same .. bet Thailand must've added a couple more holidays in 2015
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    Quote Originally Posted by asin View Post
    The Riot better not be an April Fools' joke.
    It's real. And so good.

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    Tell us MOAR!!!!

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    Cmon get with it already! We know the ETA is fall, just say shipping the last day of fall and get with the details.

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    Cf?

    Yes, get with it! And as long as we're not getting any official info, let's swing the rumor mill a bit .

    Just watched the Jeremy Jones edit on Youtube again (https://youtu.be/hLqy-c0_vOs) in slow-mo. At 0:53, doesn't that headtube section look awfully smooth? Carbon fiber? I remember Vin mentioning something (summer 2014) about possibly bringing out a bike from a material that was new to CB...

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    awg... isn't the bike at 0:53 a balance?
    anyway... looks alu to me.

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    Doesn't look like the massive Balance upper link to me, too fragile. Also looks like a DB Inline, which I haven't seen on any Balance build yet.

    As for smoothness and CF, yeah, that may actually be wishful thinking...

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    yes upper link may look skinnier than the Balance's one... who knows.
    but it definitely looks like an alu frame.

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    Quite a bit of lens distortion there, front end looks like it's definitely the shorter wheelbase with 60-70mm stem philosophy (vs longer WB shorter stem).. Man I need to know XL seat tube length soon

    Does the headtube look like 1.5"??
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    The more I look at these images, the more I start to think it could be carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chowdapilot View Post
    The more I look at these images, the more I start to think it could be carbon.
    I hope to hell it's not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chowdapilot View Post
    The more I look at these images, the more I start to think it could be carbon.
    Lower shock mount above the chain ring looks like welded alloy pieces. Carbon usually has a more sculpted look and probably would be one piece without the holes.

    Head tube / top tube / down tube junction looks like alloy to me as well. Carbon usually looks like one moulded piece (duh!) rather than distinct tube shapes in this area.

    Just my two cents. Hopefully we will get the details soon.

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    I don't care what it's made of, but I'm guessing aluminum.

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    looks like a 44mm ht to me. i agree that it's not CF

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    We are getting closer to releasing some details.
    We are guarding this one a little extra tight. (for good reason)

    We should have some details in a few weeks.
    We are waiting to see production moving before hand.


    At which time, we will open them up for pre-order.

    Im heading over to taiwan next week to oversee production.

    But, I say this... We could have these out in late June! (if no delays)

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    More pics of it in the air!
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    Good news! Can't wait!

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    Excellent news! I'll take one in size large please, polished or black or pink or yellow or whatever

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    Quote Originally Posted by cSquared View Post
    We are getting closer to releasing some details.
    We are guarding this one a little extra tight. (for good reason)

    We should have some details in a few weeks.
    We are waiting to see production moving before hand.


    At which time, we will open them up for pre-order.

    Im heading over to taiwan next week to oversee production.

    But, I say this... We could have these out in late June! (if no delays)
    Thanks so much for the update. Any info is better than no info. Super stoked to see the bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by cSquared View Post
    We are getting closer to releasing some details.
    We are guarding this one a little extra tight. (for good reason)

    We should have some details in a few weeks.
    We are waiting to see production moving before hand.


    At which time, we will open them up for pre-order.

    Im heading over to taiwan next week to oversee production.

    But, I say this... We could have these out in late June! (if no delays)

    Phew, for a second there I thought I'd have to go with the Balance

    My hopes are that Riot floats like the N9 and stings like the Balance. I didn't expect to be loving my N9 the way I am, it packs a punch. I guess the ~$2200 question is, Riot or Balance?

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    thx for the update, chris

    crs, for me it would be the balance and i predict early september for the release. i understand, to an extent the delays with mass production, but hopefully CB fluffed the release date for the late june release. everything by the bros is top notch but their dates. sorry guys,but it's worth the wait

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    Wow, I was ready to either make updates to my process 111 (cb inline) or purchase the following. Think I'll hold off on making any purchases until we hear more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cSquared View Post
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    We are guarding this one a little extra tight. (for good reason)
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    Hah! I understand you being careful with your first ever CF frame
    Just saying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by drLEE View Post
    Hah! I understand you being careful with your first ever CF frame
    Just saying...
    There's visible welds in the leak shots...

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    CF welding? Brilliant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillingtonVT View Post
    There's visible welds in the leak shots...
    Okay okay, I'll stop it Vin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by drLEE View Post
    Okay okay, I'll stop it Vin...
    That's why they're playing it so close: new welded carbon tech. Ok guys, the cat's out of the bag, you can tell us deets now.

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    Anyone Else see this? Supposedly launching tomorrow per their FB page

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    I just saw that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MostChillin View Post
    Looks like a carbon N9 to me - direct mount for FD and best I can tell, no pivot. Just my luck - I have a N9 on the way...
    Don't let it bother you, the steel is a great ride.

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    Don't care, please provide details on the Riot soon! Planning to make some big buying decisions shortly after Sea Otter. Spring is here, no more time for forums, time to ride

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    I must not be cool/smart enough to get the EPO reference.

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    That is a pretty elaborate looking jig for only making a metal bike...

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    Looks like a hydroform mold. Pretty sweet! Can't wait to finally see the finished product.

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    That's a carbon frame mold. For a fat bike.
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    The EPO reference on FB is likely the name of the frame. It's in line with their alleged sex partner/act based naming lexicon:

    Everyone's Porked/poked One.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chowdapilot View Post
    Don't care, please provide details on the Riot soon! Planning to make some big buying decisions shortly after Sea Otter. Spring is here, no more time for forums, time to ride
    Yes.. At least tell us the Riot seatpost size thx...


    vv hoping 30.9mm
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    If they are going by the aforementioned cross model continuity, I'm guessing 30.9 mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLantz View Post
    That's a carbon frame mold. For a fat bike.
    If thats a fatbike frame based on the Yelli then...


    2015 Canfield Brothers Riot 29er FS-shut-up-take-my-money.jpg
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    N9 based.

    Off to a good start with orders, I see.

    Makes sense for them to enter this market. Remember what their effect had on 29 HT's. Apply that same cleverness to fatties. Could be another winner for their brand.

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    A carbon N9 would be cool. No one currently makes a carbon 29er like that.

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    But seriously, Riot information please.

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    ^ exactly.

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    Will Canfield be at Sea Otter?

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    Just got the email... Nice.. Carbon 29

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    Canfield is about ready to start a riot if they keep holding out. It's nice that they have a carbon frame but start a new thread. I'm getting the pitch forks n torches right now. Who wants one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    If they are going by the aforementioned cross model continuity, I'm guessing 30.9 mm.
    83mm bb would be nice on the Riot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    83mm bb would be nice on the Riot
    But would it be necessary with 142mm spacing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishwrinkle View Post
    Canfield is about ready to start a riot if they keep holding out. It's nice that they have a carbon frame but start a new thread. I'm getting the pith forks n torches right now. Who wants one?
    I'm with you there. I will say that the EPO looks badass, makes me even more excited about what the Riot will be like.

    I keep telling myself "You don't need a hardtail"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    But would it be necessary with 142mm spacing?
    Could afford more tire clearance
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    Understood. I doubt we'll see it on the Riot however due to potential chainline issues with the 142 spacing. Now if it was 150mm spacing...

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    epo looks great, exactly what i need, on one 456 in 29er flavor with all the modern bells and whistles

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    I guess you've all seen this now.
    Canfield Brothers EPO Carbon Hardtail 29er


    Incredibly bad ass. Those are super short chainstays at 414. When they make an XL I wonder if they'll lengthen those a bit?

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