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    Chromag pics

    Hi,

    since I'm searching for pics of Samurai and Trl, in L size, I thought I could open a thread so that people can show their gorgeous canadian steel hardtails!

    Come on, post your Chromags (and please report model and size )!

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    Err... nobody?

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    I want a Chromag but could not justify spending that much on a frame. I just built a Cove Handjob and completely satisfied. But I would like to see some Chromag pics as well so post up.

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    Go check out the chromag blog...some sexy bikes there....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudpuppy
    some sexy bikes there....
    You can say it loud!

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    Hello !
    I've now a Samuraï in L size. I had previousely a Samuraï second hand in M size and it was a little bit short for me. I've ordered the new frame by my idol-guitarist and now bike shop owner in BC. For my frame, I was in contact too with Ian Ritz, the owner of Chromag and he was very friendly and professional. I can't enough recommend his frames and accessories, they are the best for me. My bike is mounted like this :
    Chromag Samuraï L size frame, Magura Laurin FCR 130 fork, DT Swiss EX 5.1D rims with DT 240 hubs and DT RWS axles, Conti MT King tires, Chromag bars-seatpost-seatpost colar, RF Atlas stem, Profile Racing crank with Ti axle and RF chainrings, Shimano XTR shifters-derrailleurs-cassette-chain, Chris King headset, SDG Bel Air (now WTB) saddle, RF grips. This is a super MTB for Hard XC and All Mountain and it rides amazingly in my country, here in Switzerland.
    I've a picture of this bike, but I can't and don't know how to post it.

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    Here's the picture. The guitar and the LP is in homage to Paul, the greatest rock guitarist for me.

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    Great bike (and awesome color too)!

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    Steve's got some great tastes!

    don't open the Chromag can or you're in for some big trouble. Great rides, plenty o'fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bling




    Steve's got some great tastes!

    don't open the Chromag can or you're in for some big trouble. Great rides, plenty o'fun
    That's Moreland's bike. goes with his polka dot DHR.

    here's mine


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    my bad for my typo, I was having a look at Smith's and moreland's bikes...

    Connor can you detail the specs? may be a side shot
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    medium Chromag Sakura in a kinda shizo built up
    2 weeks young and after switchin to a 70mm stem a blast to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pooka


    medium Chromag Sakura in a kinda shizo built up
    2 weeks young and after switchin to a 70mm stem a blast to ride.
    what does it weigh?

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    and also, how tall are you?
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    Thanks for your interests. ;-)

    I am 5ft ten, blue eyed and short legged.
    I like cats, reading good books, listen to music and go shopping with friends. My favorite color is green. A greyish green. Or maybe it is more of a greenish grey ...

    The chromag is slightly under 27lbs fat with those amazing extra strong sidewall Tioga DH-tires and slightly under 25lbs with cliplees pedals and reasonable not yet lightweight tires.

    Hope, some of the informations are of any use for you guys ;-)

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by pooka
    I am 5ft ten, blue eyed and short legged.
    Me too, so I guess a Medium Chromag would work for me just fine Yours looks good but I think the Samurai would be more like what I'd need.

    (cats aren't too bad. The only thing with dogs is that you have to go out with them whatever the weather.)

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    I'm 6 feet with a rather long inseam but stil lwant a Med size

    sakura or Stylus...still undecided

    more of a dog person
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bling
    I'm 6 feet with a rather long inseam but stil lwant a Med size
    Similar situation here. 6', 35" inseam, in love with Samurai. I guess the large would be the size I need but I'm afraid about standover height. So I was searching for pictures of Chromags in L-size.

    @pooka: gorgeous Sakura!

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    Greb, we are the same size and have the same inseam.

    If I take a stylus, that's be a Med, can't quite get my mind around going Med for a SAmourai though. In that case I'd say that Lrg is the way to go
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    Do you mean that a Samurai should be more "pedal-friendly" than a Stylus? If so I think you're right, the longer top tube is what I need for a do-it-all bike.

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    I think the Stylus is much heavier than the Samurai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    I think the Stylus is much heavier than the Samurai.
    It is indeed but so versatile and fun. I demoed this one:



    it was set up as a single speed to fool around on the Roc d'azur exhibition.

    I would have it with a 2x9 and 140mm fork most probably.

    dunno.
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    Here you can see some pics of the new Stylus, with updated decals and a relieved yoke between the chainstays.

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    I have been lusting over the Stylus for over a year now. It looks like the perfect do it all bike. Chromag seems to have perfect geometry on these bikes and they look great. Anyone know where to get one of these bikes in the United States? Their websites dealer list isn't much help..

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    anyone with the geo charts of the old stylus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bling
    anyone with the geo charts of the old stylus?
    I don't believe the geometry has changed?

    Interesting to note that the TRL, Samurai and Sakura all have effectively the same geometry given the same fork length.

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    My bad, I thought that it changed when they redesigned the rear triangle
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    When I see what those guys do with their bikes I ten to believe the Stylus is overbuilt for what I want.
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    In regard of the sizes of the Samuraï and the Stylus : a L Samuraï is bigger than a L Stylus. I had previously a Samuraï in M size and it was a little bit small for me as I'm 184 cm or 6 feet and half an inch, with long legs and 91 kilograms (200,5 pounds I think ?). With a L Samuraï now, it's just fine for Hard XC and All Mountain styles of riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bling
    When I see what those guys do with their bikes I ten to believe the Stylus is overbuilt for what I want.
    Put another way;
    based on what these guys do on samurais I tend to believe a samurai will be more than durable enough for the type of riding I do.

    I'd love to own a samurai... I'm going to have Curtlo build something similar but with full length cables and sliding drop-outs

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    THX, that's exactly sums up my position right now.

    @FM, good point!
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    Stylus Stokage.

    After a year or so of studying and drooling over a few different steel hardtails I decided I am ordering a Mocha Brown Stylus frame from Ian on Monday. I mostly chose the Stylus over the Samurai for $$ reasons, as it is at the max of my budget. I am fond of the shorter seat tube to get that seat nice and low though. Since Chromag says it is a trail/jump/and urban frame I'll test that theory I'll be putting mid-weight parts on it to make it a little less portly. My do it all full-suspension bike weighs around 37 lbs so if my hardtail is around 32lbs I'll be completely happy.

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    Chromag dealer

    Hammerhead bikes in Austin,Tx. recently just became a Chromag dealer. They had a beautiful black Stylus built up the other day, it was SICK....I get a lot of stuff from them, great small shop.

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    Got myself a second hand Large Sakura...can't wait to build it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bling
    Got myself a second hand Large Sakura...can't wait to build it
    Nice Man! post some pics, I want to see it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bling
    Got myself a second hand Large Sakura...can't wait to build it

    I barely can beliebe anybody sold his sakura.

    Such a great bike.

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    yeah I hear you, but he got a great deal on a Gipsy

    Here is how it is now, most of the specs will be what I currently run on my chiquillo but might change sometime soon. I was just surprised that the headtube is the same regardless of the frame size.

    I also got so more Chromag stuff, minimalist seatpost, ranger stem but 50mm which will certainely be too short, might need a 70 but we'll give it a try.
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    new stylus frame

    <img src="https://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h31/baxterlongmember/PICT0702.jpg">

    <img src="https://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h31/baxterlongmember/PICT0704.jpg">
    the rear triangle at the BB and the drop outs look lightened up compared to the previous stylus models..
    <img src="https://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h31/baxterlongmember/exampl1.jpg">

    <img src="https://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h31/baxterlongmember/PICT0701.jpg">

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    is that yours?

    what will the build be like?
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    Yes its mine

    I do not have all the parts yet, it will hopefully be built by spring. The plan is to stay somewhat light but without too much compromise ;

    Pike Air fork
    Juicy 5's
    X9 Rear D and shifter
    Single ring Stylo or Hone cranks
    Transition AM wheels
    Kinda big but not too heavy tires 2.3 or 2.5's

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    Awesome, I demoed one recently and had a blast on it!
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    Today I had some time for a ride. Haven´t been riding for 16 days. It was terrible, but know I feel much better and I almost forgot what a blast of ride the sakura is.

    Yeah! I love this bike. It is a great climber ( I guess, I suck first these days) and when I finally arrived at the bottom of the local downhill trail in Zurich, I wondered what happened the last few minutes. Something flowy? Maybe? It definitly got me.


    some riding pics probably next week. We ´re gonna groove this weekend ;-)

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    chromag pic

    heres mine samurai
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    Morelands Chromag has the sickest paint job! I didn't notice it was the same bike before, half blue and half silver.

    Mine wont up load so heres a link. Trl is pretty heavy atm 35lbs and Monk is 30.

    http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/2686746/

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    Great stable!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosho
    heres mine samurai
    That's great! The frame looks like it's anodized... am I wrong? What colors are available with this finish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greb
    That's great! The frame looks like it's anodized... am I wrong? What colors are available with this finish?
    its powdercoated black industrial
    you would have to talk to ian

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    Here's mine, build to come
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    Sorry for the question but... is Chromag still alive? Their website has pretty old pics (no fancy headtube badge, no new stylus, no colored bars) and their blog hasn't been update in a while... Hope to hear news from them soon!

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    Not to my knowledge, quite the opposite in fact, a friend of mine is the importer for France and he told me most of the next batch is already sold.

    Quite a success so I wouldn't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greb
    Sorry for the question but... is Chromag still alive? Their website has pretty old pics (no fancy headtube badge, no new stylus, no colored bars) and their blog hasn't been update in a while... Hope to hear news from them soon!
    i was lucky and got mine .he took it off a dealer with a big order or else i would have to wait.

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    Yeah, I think just like Cove, their website is clearly not a priority.
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    yeah, still around. The osx bars are a big hit in BC.

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    they ^re busy ridin their stuff... :-)

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    Here's mine, tires to be changed but I clearly dunno what fork to get!

    120 Reba with a 20mm axle or Revelation 140 with a 20mm axle, any input would be appreciated
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    Isn't the Sakura supposed to be a XC bike?

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    Awesome.. it looks fast. I would personally go with the Revelation for added versatility. The weight gain on the Revelation is hardly significant.

    Enjoy the new ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    Isn't the Sakura supposed to be a XC bike?
    According to Chromag, the Sakura can have up to a 5" fork, so I think it mainly depends on how you want to build it..

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    Yeah, it says from 3" to 5.5".

    I could have my current Reba at 115mm but I would like to have a 20mm front axle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    Isn't the Sakura supposed to be a XC bike?

    No, it is not. No, it is not. No, it is not.

    As well as i understood things around Chromag, the sakura is the most xc-ride within their stable, but to me it seems that bc cross country the way the chromag guys think of it isn´t like common xc.

    They call their geo "all ride" and there arn´t any significant differences geo-wise between sakura or gipsy or trl ...

    They say it isn´t meant for 6fter and so on. Ok. But on the other hand 6fter aren´t meant for everybody to ride anyway.

    My sakura works great with a reba at 115mm travel. But I set up the forks pretty sporty. (only 20mm sag) for I like suspension for increasing control in harsh situations and not so much for having a cushy ride.


    ridin pics made, to proove the bikes potential. soon to come.

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    First ride, massive stoke!

    a real can of whoop ass: a sheer invitation to play with the bike. It calls for fun rides and leads to fool around. Great geo very balanced and natural. I dunno if that makes any sense, my English is not good enough to express how pleased I am with this rig. Now waiting for the 140 Reve with the 20mm axle.

    the only drawback as opposed to my Ventana El chiquillo much of the pedaling force is lost, it's clearly not as reactive but not as brutal either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosho
    heres mine samurai
    ITS FOR SALE
    CHECK THE HARDTAIL CLASSIFIEDS

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    it was terrible in ticiano

    weather was a pain in the ass
    mountains hard to find
    only fireroads to ride











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    linky

    http://classifieds.mtbr.com/showprod...=27738&cat=all

    just how tall are you?

    great bike and great set up!
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    Thnks for sharing. So inspiring
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    Another one from France



    Mine getting down and dirty

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    The Chromag 2009 catalog:

    http://www.xmsracingimports.com/Pdf/...g%2009_low.pdf

    But... hey, there are no frames! Should we worry?

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    nope, I guess it's just the accessories version more to come.
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    my stylus

    my stylus.
    really good hardtail. and i´m really impressed how it handles technical rough stuff better than i thought.
    cheers
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    Hadn't seen this thread...

    Here's my Sakura, super sweet ride. Ian did a killer job on the design.




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    sweet ride!
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    These Chromag bikes are sweet. I really want one! Keep the pics coming please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Ryder
    These Chromag bikes are sweet. I really want one! Keep the pics coming please.
    mine is for sale check out the classifieds

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    Thanks for the heads up. However, I'll need a large.

    I'm also not ready to drop the $$$ yet. Time are tough.

    Thanks anyway. Good luck with the sale!

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    Here's a horrible pic of mine



    on the one of a buddy
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    better pics



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    Lookin good

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    nice forks. i´m thinking about those, too.

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    The steel hardtail/RS Rev match seems a winner indeed!
    Mr. Bling, what's the bike near the red samurai?

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    H bicycles custom Ti hardtail , a French company working with the biggest Chinese factory

    http://www.rspshop.com/
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    large samurai

    2004 vintage, fox vanilla 130 rlc, older xt bits. she's mine.

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    This thread is awesome! Chromag bikes are really wonderful: I love the CNC pieces (caliper mount, yoke between the chainstays).
    I'd really like to go back to the roots of mtbiking by switching to an hardtail: simple, light, reliable... but I'm not sure I'm going to enjoy a "hard" ride! I can't decide... probably a 29er is the way to go for an hardtail? Or should I go for a Samurai and don't be tempted from big wheels?

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    No 29er that I know of can quite compare to the fun I get on my Chromag.

    The geo is great, balanced and truly fun oriented while remaining easy to pedal. And steel is confortable nothing like my old Ventana hardtail

    I don't know where you live but I know some French owners in the Alps and other rugged places and they ride it all the time.

    with a fellow Chromag owner we will probably race the transvesubienne
    http://www.transvesubienne.com/raida...esubienne.html
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    Probably you're right... the main objective of riding is fun!

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    LOVE the black samurai with the rigid fork.That would make one bad looking singlespeed.

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    Nice bikes here guy's !


    Can you run any of the Chromag models, especially the Samurai as a Single Speed!

    If so would you need to use a EBB and if so would a Phil Wood EBB be best? just thinking here!

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    If I were to buy a Samurai, I'd make it SS, using the Yess BB mounted tensioner.

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    The only Chromag that is designed for singlespeed is the Monk but seeing as it is a jump/urban frame you couldnt really use it for anything else,so you would have to use some sort of tensioner on any of the other Chromag frames.

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    updated version: new wheelset, new rubber, still that much fun!
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    Mr. Bling, is that a Sakura a "large"?

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    Yes Greb that's a Large Sakura. I'm 6 feet (1m83)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LIFECYCLE
    LOVE the black samurai with the rigid fork.That would make one bad looking singlespeed.
    but then i wouldn't be able to DO anything on it. . .

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    Anyone know the seat clamp size for a Stylus?

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    I went on a shopping spree and got a Lynx saddle and a blue OSX handlebar.

    to sum it up, I pretty much got all there is with a chromag sticker on it!
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    NSMB again: Ranger stem and Fubars OSX!

    http://www.nsmb.com/page/s/2790/gear...mag-point-one/

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    full set

    added: OSX chrome bar

    Lynx saddle

    a couple of grams and soooooo much fun!
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    My Stylus is almost done, I am waiting on the final shipment of parts. Even though all the trails are still snowed in here, I cant wait to get it built..

    It's going to look like this..

    Large Chromag Stylus w/ Lyrik Coil
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    cant wait to see some pics and get an interpretation on how it rides trails. torn between the TRL and the Stylus but i think the stylus is going to win out. You have a very similar set up to my savings list. I am going with a domain wind down and transition wheels. I have 32's on my other bike and i love them. I wanted to go AM's on this bike b/c of the weight issue but i think 32's will last longer. Might have to build up a crappy light wheelset for the smoother trails and keep the 32's for bashing. Just curious where you ride since your setup is so similar Sly Fox. Make sure to make note of how it climbs and if you would want an adjustable seat post on there to make the most of the low seat tube.


    Also, how tall are you? Ian recommended a large Stylus for me and i think it would work well with a 50 mm stem. I am 5-10.

    Later and congrasts

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    I am 6'1. I was told by Ian I could really go either M or L depending on what type of riding I would be doing most. I am basically wanting to make this my burly trail bike so with the short seat tube I had to get a Large. If I can't get a proper leg extension for climbs I am going to try a longer seat post before I get a adjustable one. I am kinda stoked on the short seat tube as I am hoping to use this bike as a urban play during the winter when the trails are snowed in.

    I live in Washington State so I ride pretty gnarly terrain the majority of the time. Rockiness, steep descents, roots, structures, and small-medium size drops are regular even on "XC" rides. Weight wise, I am on the lighter side even though I am tall so I hope the Revolution AM's are strong enough for me. I won't be abusing them too hard as I have a full suspension bike for freeride and bigger stuff. If I have any problems I will probably get some custom wheels built around Hope hubs, I am trying to keep this build fairly light because my other bike is rather portly.

    I was apprehensive about the 50mm stem at first, but I think it will work well with having a tall fork like the Lyrik or Domain on there. I also have a 65 and a 90mm I can switch to if I don't like the 50. Depending on your reach, I think at your height with a Large frame a 50mm stem would be awesome.

    I also have a Pike Dual Air I am going to try out, but I have a feeling 160mm travel adjust fork is going to be on the money for this frame! Good luck with your decision, I don't think you can go wrong with any of Chromag's bikes.

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    Med samourai and Lrg SAkura gettin' some action in France
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    sounds like we are in similar situations. after riding my rm switch on a 5 hour urban epic today i am wishing for a bit lighter do all bike. maybe i wont use the 32's.....i am dog tired.

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    a lonesome chromag in zuerich/switzerland:










    and some strange company fixed in a bad pic
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    Love the 2nd pic, Pooka!
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    Yeah thank you. Me to. Most of the pics were taken by the shop owner, friend of mine, singlespeeder and 29er promoter Singlestoph: http://flammerougezurich.blogspot.com/

    I do have some time to ride these days but the trails are f**ked up with ice here. Its a pity.
    Anyway, you french guys are from around Paris, aren´t you? What about an european chromag ride in summer around Fontainblau? I´ld love to go there for bouldering this year. But I can bring my bike too.

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    most of them are from Fontainbleau indeed, I am from Dijon,Burgundy.

    we wil have a big get-together in Besançon, even closer from you in the Sping with "endurigides" as they are called around here (hardtails that mimick the geo of enduro bikes) so that might do the trick.

    so Ice is your problem, eh?

    mud is mine:

    look at the trail or stream should I say

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    endurigides - that is funny too.

    This offically negleted category of bikes in the german speaking sphere we began to call "waldmaschine" what is best to translate as "wood/forest machine" to describe the laid back attitude of technical/ aggressive hardtail-riding in comparison to its famous (and kinda boring) opponent "cx racing".

    Besancon sounds good, although I only know the region from passing by on my way to haute provence/lac de st croix e.g.

    Am I allowed to show off and eventually bringing some friends? I have to admid, although I used to learn some french in school I lost most of the feeling for your language. Some passive usage may come back in a slow speaking frensh environment. Who knows....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pooka
    endurigides - that is funny too.

    This offically negleted category of bikes in the german speaking sphere we began to call "waldmaschine" what is best to translate as "wood/forest machine" to describe the laid back attitude of technical/ aggressive hardtail-riding in comparison to its famous (and kinda boring) opponent "cx racing".

    Besancon sounds good, although I only know the region from passing by on my way to haute provence/lac de st croix e.g.

    Am I allowed to show off and eventually bringing some friends? I have to admid, although I used to learn some french in school I lost most of the feeling for your language. Some passive usage may come back in a slow speaking frensh environment. Who knows....

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    Of course that would be no problem.

    I'll post a reminder as soon as we know the dates for sure.

    French MTB mag "Bike" just had a couple of pages about Besançon and the Xtreme sur Loue race (part of the former international marathon cup) is right next door.
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    Yes, it ´ld be great to get a reminder and a date from you. We´ll see what is possible. I´m somewhat optimistic to get the chance for a ride with the endurigideurs ;-)

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    Very crappy mobile pics from sunday. Sorry. No iPhone. ;-)





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    some progress

    <img src="https://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h31/baxterlongmember/new.jpg">

    still missing some important parts

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    looking good so far!

    Pooka: love the skinny under the snow
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    Does anyone know if a Rennen tensioner will fit in the dropouts of the Stylus? It looks like the dropout has a deep lip around it, so not sure if the chunky arms of the rennen will interfere

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    I thought it ´ld be cool, to try and share some review.

    http://cycless.blogspot.com/2009_02_01_archive.html

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    I've been dirtjumping weekly on my Monk with daily street rides. PNW weather has been very nice for February. Through it up on the scale today, not bad considering it is a very tough build.


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    just love it!

    might got myself one of those!
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    hmmm,
    I just noticed that the distributor here says they have quit importing Chromag because Chromag had difficulties delivering frames.

    Are there problems elsewhere too?

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    hey ! that's the price of fame!

    they do take a while to get but what a bliss. Must not be easy for an importer to have highly impatients clients and frames hard to get though but the French importer is doing a great job delivering. (both meanings)
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    New colors for stems and bars and a (slighly) refreshed website!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenz0
    New colors for stems and bars and a (slighly) refreshed website!

    They also now offer wheel QR's.

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    I suppose it could use a chain, but with all that white crap still on the ground I can't ride it anyway.

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    looks good. couple questions. weight? can i get a level side shot to see how it looks? Do you like the iscg tabs? They look a bit odd and flimsy. I am sure they are not but they look that way from photo's i have seen. Hope you lose the snow soon b/c i want to hear what you think of the ride. Torn between stylus or samurai/TRL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by defcon4
    looks good. couple questions. weight?
    I don't own a scale but if I were to guess, I would say probably 30-33 as pictured. I also have a Pike Dual air (non-travel adjust) I am planning on trying with it, and I think it would be right around 30 or maybe even below with that fork. I think I have chose a fairly light build. The newer Stylus frame is visibly lighter looking than the older style, but I have no clue how much lighter they really are. I actually wish Chromag would update their site a little better.

    Quote Originally Posted by defcon4
    can i get a level side shot to see how it looks? Do you like the iscg tabs? They look a bit odd and flimsy. I am sure they are not but they look that way from photo's i have seen.
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    I don't really know if I like or dislike this style of ISCG tabs, I am sure they are just fine though. They are ISCG'05 instead of the standard. I think they may appear to look flimsy due to the wider spacing compared to the old standard. I didn't think much about them and was going to use an extra guide I had around but quickly found out they changed them on the newer models. I am really glad it has tabs though, some of the other steel frames that are similar don't have them.

    Quote Originally Posted by defcon4
    Torn between stylus or samurai/TRL.
    I was as well.. ultimately it came down to money and wait time. If I had more patience and cash I probably would have went for a TRL, but the Stylus is a good deal. If the geo has remained the same(which it appears so) then it is slacker and has a lower seat tube (good or bad that is a personal preference, it was a selling point for me), and it still has some of the great details that are on the other Chromag frames for nearly half the price.

    Quote Originally Posted by defcon4
    Hope you lose the snow soon b/c i want to hear what you think of the ride.
    It is KILLING me inside to have a brand new un ridden bike in my home that I haven't given a good beating. As soon as I can I will give her a good thrashing.
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    thanks man. glad you can be my guinea pig. i just have to decide if 400$ is worth it for the trl. i am hoping nsmb comes out with their ride report/reviewand gives some useful info on the trl.

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    slowly but surely the sun is gaining power and melts the snow away:








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    This is my Chromag. There are many like it but this one is mine.



    Planned 2009 upgrades.

    Hope brakes-
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    http://forum.velovert.com/index.php?...=63933&st=3690

    The Fench importer is full of it!

    Czrech out the first page of the link and the next 2! plenty of new stuff!
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    Sorry man, everything sort of accelerated and the camp is taking place this WE. Couldn't let you know before.

    better luck next time
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    No more boring pictures after this

    <img src="https://myweb.cableone.net/funke41/2ring1.jpg">
    <img src="https://myweb.cableone.net/funke41/2ring2.jpg">

    decided I am way too out of shape to pedal up steep hills without a granny, will switch it back to 1x9 after I get into a little shape. The first real ride is tomorrow at Beacon. My impressions just from riding around the neighborhood are good so far.. can't wait for tomorrow

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    Great WE of riding,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bling

    Great WE of riding,
    Indeed!

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    Wife snapped this shot on today's ride with her cell.. that guy below the drop wouldn't move off it so I was forced to punch him in the face, then I rode over him.

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    hahaha

    punched in the face! My chromag just arrived, pics tomorrow.

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    selling

    k i'm selling my samurai frame, same one i posted pictures of earlier in this thread. it's a large 2004 (57th chromag ever built - chr57) in the sickest stove top black, no decals, old school headbadge and gusset. no damage or scratches, requisite cable rub. i think the specs on the chromag site are current, and will answer any questions to the best of my ability. if you've been lustin' well here's your chance - get at me boomforealATgmail.com

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    I still have to get my chromag seat on and the tires changed around but this is the bike put together.
    Transition 32 wheels
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    xtr front mech
    z1 SL fork
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    The thing rips around the yard. Cant wait to see how it handles some rough trail. It is so weird pedaling a hardtail again after riding a 7" travel bike for a year. No wallow here when you pedal and I better re-remember how to suck up the hits b/c this puppy is stiff.
    https://i296.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_3306.jpg
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    Sweet looking bike! Nice solid build and I really dig that colour.

    Your reaction is similar to mine. I couldn't believe how snappy and fast this bike feels. At the same time, it is nice and slack and low so it feels stable at speed and it just rails the corners. I had no experience riding a hardtail until I got mine. I am actually surprised how forgiving this frame is. I told myself to take it easy and not hit any of the bigger drops I usually hit with my FS at my usual riding spot. I am a total hack when it comes to drops. After hitting a couple small drops I was hitting 5 and 6 footers with ease.. the Stylus rips!

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    Hi, I have a question for those of you why have ridden a Sakura and any of the beefier models. I want to know if there is any noticable difference in "springyness" in the rear? I mean the sakura is thin and light but the samurai has square stays for example.

    Do you notice any difference between these 2? I want lively and springy but on the other hand I would like something bombproof that will last me a lifetime.

    From what I've read most of this difference will come from where the tubes are placed and how they intersect, not from increased diameter or wall thickness.

    What do you guys think?
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    I just ordered a Sakura so disregard my other post. It was on sale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robicycle
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    Nice, post pics when you get it.

    FWIW, I've never ridden any other Chromag other than the Stylus, but I notice a bit of a "springy" feeling from it. It is the most overbuilt of all of them (maybe the TRL is as overbuilt?), but it is steel after all. I would imagine since you are buying the Sakura your not taking large drops and hitting jumps regularly so it will probably last as long as you want to keep it around.
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    I ride a SAkura and briefly demoed a Samurai.

    All I can tell is that I don't refrain from hitting the Sakura hard, as hard as if it were a SAmurai
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    my first try with GIMP, compressing this image so dont sh00t me, I can see some artifacts, it actually looks like **** compared to the original but its all i got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robicycle
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    you gonna love the ride!!

    please post the full build!!

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    Just got back from the Transvésubienne ,a long distance race in the French Alps down to Nice: 83km, 3300D+ and 4700 of declivity

    I raced it on the Sakura which was a bit of a challenge considering the gnarlyness of the trails but sheer fun, gotta love that bike!!

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    I'm gonna play devil's advocate, but I am considering a Samurai. I know that these are built by Mike Truelove, who is a custom builder, but the frame price ($1250) is the same as a full out custom frame shops like Rick Hunter. If i want change any angles on a production Chromag, it's bumped up $200. So.. chromag vs full custom shops. Anyone seriously consider these 2 options and still decided to go Chromag? One thing ian and mike have going for them is that Chromag's durability for hard riding has been tested and proven.

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    Good point. But isn´t it about some passion for the chromag brand too? We all could ride with Mike Truelove labeled frames, but for some reason, it is labeled as chromag. Besides the rider owned company/ bc pro riders image, it is the design work from Ian and Co.

    I ride mountainbikes since nearly 15 years. I know very well what works for me and what not. And I know something about how to translate ride characteristics into numbers.

    When I ordered my Chromag Sakura, I thought about changing a few things geo wise. Some numbers of the standart version wasn´t exactly what I ´ld have wanted for a full custom frame. For some reasons, reviews and simply a trusty feeling towards Ian and Chromag I decided to go with the standart version. I was just hoping, the Chromag geo was dialed in as it should be.

    The frame fully met my expectations. In fact, it was even more: An eye opener, something different. I wasn´t even able to ask for something like this. It was way more stable but still as flickable as everything I could have asked for geowise.

    My advice:
    You want some different dropouts for a singlespeed setup? Go for it.
    You want to change some significant numbers of the chromag frame? Do yourself a favour and testride a standart chromag. Than decide.

    When it comes to fully rational and economic arguments and you are not set on with the chromag geo, it is only argueable to go fully custom with Rick Hunter or someone else.
    I´ld suggest Waltworks. But this is another story.

    But going with a highly recommended custom builder often means a longer wait list. A chromag frame may need some time, but compared with nearly any custom buider, this wait time is nearly negotiable.

    Does that help?

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    great points here. after a few emails with ian, he really urged that the geo was ideal and I shouldn't have the need to modify anything. I haven't owned enough bikes or ridden half as long as others, so my opinion of the "ideal" geometry is really based on a few frames which is pretty narrow in scope. So, i trust him in that regard.

    As for the SS point, he mentioned some custom horiz drops with slotted disk mounts they're trying out in about a week or so. So I'll be gunning for those.

    He was also open about small changes like removing the TT/ST gusset and lowering the ST by about an inch. ISCG tab on the samurai, powdercoat of my choice, etc without the custom upcharge which is

    But it's going to be the proven ruggedness and the happy loyal following that will push me towards chromag and not go the full custom route. I doubt I will break ANY steel frame, but nice to know there's some extra burl under me.
    Chromag reminds me of the groupies, dynamics & crew at Sinister (I'm looking to replace my Ridge which I just sold) and I liked that camaraderie.

    As for the wait time, yeah the others are ranging from 6 to 9, and chromag was about 3 months. Another decision is whether I want chomag's horiz drops, or blackcat's pivot/slider design (hunter uses them too). But i guess that's reserved for the SS board.

    Just curious as to what others thought of my situation.


    Quote Originally Posted by pooka
    Good point. But isn´t it about some passion for the chromag brand too? We all could ride with Mike Truelove labeled frames, but for some reason, it is labeled as chromag. Besides the rider owned company/ bc pro riders image, it is the design work from Ian and Co.

    I ride mountainbikes since nearly 15 years. I know very well what works for me and what not. And I know something about how to translate ride characteristics into numbers.

    When I ordered my Chromag Sakura, I thought about changing a few things geo wise. Some numbers of the standart version wasn´t exactly what I ´ld have wanted for a full custom frame. For some reasons, reviews and simply a trusty feeling towards Ian and Chromag I decided to go with the standart version. I was just hoping, the Chromag geo was dialed in as it should be.

    The frame fully met my expectations. In fact, it was even more: An eye opener, something different. I wasn´t even able to ask for something like this. It was way more stable but still as flickable as everything I could have asked for geowise.

    My advice:
    You want some different dropouts for a singlespeed setup? Go for it.
    You want to change some significant numbers of the chromag frame? Do yourself a favour and testride a standart chromag. Than decide.

    When it comes to fully rational and economic arguments and you are not set on with the chromag geo, it is only argueable to go fully custom with Rick Hunter or someone else.
    I´ld suggest Waltworks. But this is another story.

    But going with a highly recommended custom builder often means a longer wait list. A chromag frame may need some time, but compared with nearly any custom buider, this wait time is nearly negotiable.

    Does that help?

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    same here, I will get a somewhat custom Sakura I wouldn't consider anything else or change the bike too much, I just love what Ian does.

    I'll just drop the seat tube and get a Hammer option
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bling
    same here, I will get a somewhat custom Sakura I wouldn't consider anything else or change the bike too much, I just love what Ian does.

    I'll just drop the seat tube and get a Hammer option

    You are going to get another sakura?

    Well, I rode my other bikes a lot these days. a rigid 26er singlespeed (at least with some chromag bars within a lovely luv groovy cusom stem, so it may be interisting to post a pic)





    and my rigid 29er Waltworks (in the pic well treated by a good friend of mine in december)



    and there is one thing, that becomes more and more obvious to me. The chromag is awesome as long as the saddle is a little down. But I am a slack seat angle guy and so, sometimes my other rides seems to give me more room to move on the bike, when the saddle is in normal climbing position. And the cushy frontfork (vanilla 125mm) don´t always make things more easy on the steep slow downhill sections or more dynamic in the tight singletrack rollercoaster. I fear, I know a possible solution, but that ´ld be plain ugly.

    Anyway, I´ll stick with my chromag. Tomorrow we´ll have a little local downhill competition. We´ll see how fast we can go. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pooka
    You are going to get another sakura?
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    yep mine will be sold to get a new one

    I run a 140 revelation and will run a 150 2010 Reve. Ian certified it was kosher.

    I am rocking the SAkura in the portes du soleil and love the bike as it is.

    I ended up pedaling with my seat quite low too, might even go with a GD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bling
    yep mine will be sold to get a new one

    I run a 140 revelation and will run a 150 2010 Reve. Ian certified it was kosher.

    I am rocking the SAkura in the portes du soleil and love the bike as it is.

    I ended up pedaling with my seat quite low too, might even go with a GD
    since you are updating the same frame, are there geo # changes on the newer Sakuras?
    correct me if i'm wrong, but the #s between Sakura, Samurai and Stylus are the same, just different tubing types? I'm leaning towards Samurai, but wonder if Sakura would be strong enough.
    Transferring my pike, dt swiss 5.1, etc over from my sinister ridge. Don't do anything crazy on my hardtails, but doubles, drops of maybe 4', 160 lbs ungeared ...
    how's the tire clearance on the Sakura?

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    Ian would be the man to answer your question beyond the slightest doubt but...

    I do believe the geos are the same and stay unchanged.


    I was gonna change my sakura for a Samourai but decided against it as I am still pretty far from feeling limited by the bike. Bear in mind I don't do drops or massive jumps but I ride in the alps, in bike parks and the bike holds nicely. And since I also ride long distance XC on it I don't want the weight penalty of the Samourai frameset.

    tirewise, I haven't run huge tires in the back, but clearance is plenty
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    Stylus here

    The stylus is the best hardtail I have ever ridden. I can hop of that bike and on to my big bike and feel comfortable. I just have an adjustable fork for climbing and i was good to go for bigger climbs. I wouldnt hesitate to throw a bigger fork on the bike for park or DH riding if my bones could handle the jarring ride. I wouldnt want to change a thing on the bike. I went with a size bigger and a short stem and the bike handles amazing. drop the seat and it is ready for pumping trails. Pretty amazing that one bike can fit so many riding situations and feel perfectly at home. Go with a standard Geo on whatever bike Ian recommends and you will be happy. as for SS....put a chain tensioner on there and run it, then when you get tired of SS and decide to go back you still have a frame that works with a proper geared setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfluid one
    Just curious as to what others thought of my situation.
    I take it your other rig isn't working out.. thats a bummer.

    Chromag was near the top of my list and always will be, I just wanted to help design something custom. Their geometry is perfect IMHO, and nobody has better tire clearance. I'm sure you'd be stoked with a chromag, if you choose to go that route. For sure, I don't think anybody makes a better production AM/FR hardtail.

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    chromag makes a great bike, but aren't you guys laying it on a bit thick? "I wouldnt want to change a thing on the bike," "Their geometry is perfect IMHO," "The frame fully met my expectations. In fact, it was even more." jeez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal
    chromag makes a great bike, but aren't you guys laying it on a bit thick? "I wouldnt want to change a thing on the bike," "Their geometry is perfect IMHO," "The frame fully met my expectations. In fact, it was even more." jeez.

    yepp it is a little thick. But isn´t that the chromag passion thread?

    And because it is a just steel hardtail company, the frames are well prepared and don´t break or creak, forks usually clear the downtubes and all ride well ...what else can we talk about from a technical standpoint? ;-)

    btw, FM your curtlo looks really great.

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    He asked for peoples opinions about their Chromag's and they gave them.

    They are great bikes, with well thought out geo and design, I also feel the same way about mine. It was hand welded by angels with imported steel from heaven. They are powder coated and finished by Jesus himself and God checks and rides each bike personally for Q.C. Then they are hand delivered to your door on fluffy pink clouds.

    At least it is mostly concentrated in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal
    chromag makes a great bike, but aren't you guys laying it on a bit thick? "I wouldnt want to change a thing on the bike," "Their geometry is perfect IMHO," "The frame fully met my expectations. In fact, it was even more." jeez.
    Well, to put it another way.... what would you have changed? That would be interesting discussion, as you've owned a samurai right? (I think I considered buying it while I was waiting for my custom Curtlo)

    I really do think Chromag has the geometry nailed for all mountain use. That's why my Curtlo has nearly identical geometry to a samurai.

    I would like to see chromag use full-length cable housing stops, stock. I prefer slightly lower standover too, those reasons and price were the only reasons I chose curtlo over chromag. I didn't get clearance for 2.6 tires though, and I will always feel like a traitor when riding the whistler westside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    Well, to put it another way.... what would you have changed?
    Ah, see now that's the rub, isn't it, when having the stock vs. custom debate. I've been over my concerns with Ian, so no backstabbing going on, but here are my quibbles:

    1. The seatpost angle is too slack for my taste. It puts me in an awkward position for climbing, and is hard to get behind when the trail turns downhill. I feel like I'm either in climbing or descending mode - there's no middle ground, which makes riding rolling single track or technical xc a pain. I think the slackness of the seat tube is a result of trying to tighten up the wheelbase - if so I'd go with a longer bike and steeper sta.
    2. The head tube on my large samurai is too small - in fact, all sizes have the same head tube length. I had to stick quite a few spacers under my stem to get the bars high enough. Ian contends that most folks like a shorter head tube to keep things low, but I can't see how someone riding a small frame and someone riding a large would ever have their bars at the same height.
    3. Tire clearance is an issue in the back, not because of the stays (might be able to get a 2.7 in there!) but because the tire ends up rubbing the chain/front drl. I threw a few spacers on the drive side of the BB, and though the tire no longer hits the front derailleur I still get chain rub. Again, I feel like this could be sorted out with longer chain stays, or if you run a single ring in the front, obviously.


    Please note I AM NOT HATING ON CHROMAG! (positivies: welds; finish; customer services; paint; frame strength, layout and compliance, ride characteristics going down hill; organizational culture; cred. . . too many to name!) I love my Samurai and rode it happily for many years (and probably will again - couldn't bear to part with it). But the frames are not perfect - they are static, metal creations and will have positive and negative attributes for different riders, set ups and riding conditions. My stance: if you want a beautiful, rippin' steel hardtail, and either the frame specs line up with what you want or you don't really know what you want but the frame is intended for the type of riding you do or aspire to, by all means buy/consider a Chromag. But these frames are an investment, so do your research, consider the characteristics of the frames and what you want and go from there.

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    This is good honest feedback. I wonder if that chain clearance would be alleviated with 73mm BB instead of 68. I think that most hardtail frames of this category have a STA of 72-73 vs the 71 on the Chromags? Couldn't that 1-2 degree be adjusted by moving the saddle forward a little bit? But i'm sure on a large, that 1 degree is augmented at a higher seat position.

    FM, yeah my other frame... isn't quite working out to say the least. But I'm kinda glad to be back on the drawing board while the monetary discussions are pending...

    horizontal drops, 3 ziptie brake mounts under TT, iscg, were all options Ian was cool with. the ST extends about 2.5 inches above the TT, so ian was open with the idea of chopping off an inch and removing that gusset.

    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal
    Ah, see now that's the rub, isn't it, when having the stock vs. custom debate. I've been over my concerns with Ian, so no backstabbing going on, but here are my quibbles:

    1. The seatpost angle is too slack for my taste. It puts me in an awkward position for climbing, and is hard to get behind when the trail turns downhill. I feel like I'm either in climbing or descending mode - there's no middle ground, which makes riding rolling single track or technical xc a pain. I think the slackness of the seat tube is a result of trying to tighten up the wheelbase - if so I'd go with a longer bike and steeper sta.
    2. The head tube on my large samurai is too small - in fact, all sizes have the same head tube length. I had to stick quite a few spacers under my stem to get the bars high enough. Ian contends that most folks like a shorter head tube to keep things low, but I can't see how someone riding a small frame and someone riding a large would ever have their bars at the same height.
    3. Tire clearance is an issue in the back, not because of the stays (might be able to get a 2.7 in there!) but because the tire ends up rubbing the chain/front drl. I threw a few spacers on the drive side of the BB, and though the tire no longer hits the front derailleur I still get chain rub. Again, I feel like this could be sorted out with longer chain stays, or if you run a single ring in the front, obviously.


    Please note I AM NOT HATING ON CHROMAG! (positivies: welds; finish; customer services; paint; frame strength, layout and compliance, ride characteristics going down hill; organizational culture; cred. . . too many to name!) I love my Samurai and rode it happily for many years (and probably will again - couldn't bear to part with it). But the frames are not perfect - they are static, metal creations and will have positive and negative attributes for different riders, set ups and riding conditions. My stance: if you want a beautiful, rippin' steel hardtail, and either the frame specs line up with what you want or you don't really know what you want but the frame is intended for the type of riding you do or aspire to, by all means buy/consider a Chromag. But these frames are an investment, so do your research, consider the characteristics of the frames and what you want and go from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfluid one
    Couldn't that 1-2 degree be adjusted by moving the saddle forward a little bit?
    That's what Ian suggested

    Quote Originally Posted by unfluid one
    But i'm sure on a large, that 1 degree is augmented at a higher seat position.
    That's my experience. Might be less of an issue on smaller frames, but with the large the seat it waaaaay back there when the seatpost is at full extension. If I did get behind it on descents, my crotch would often get stuck when I tried to get back on the saddle. . . Paint your own mental picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal
    Ah, see now that's the rub, isn't it, when having the stock vs. custom debate. I've been over my concerns with Ian, so no backstabbing going on, but here are my quibbles:
    That's awesome feedback and really, constructive criticism... which is great! Also very cool you are able to pinpoint and explain what you would do differently. That's the opposite of blind brand allegiance which does run rampant here on MTBR (i.e. "This is the best steel AM hardtail ever! {but also the only one I've ever ridden....}")


    Bottom line is we can do all the research in the world, but until you get the frame and ride it for a while, it's hard to say what "should" be different. Also... if you go custom, then you don't have the option of a test ride or even seeing the finished product until you've paid and waited! I know for me, I definitely based my design partially off chromags and my old dekerf implant, and then changed it again after riding a transition transam. Even then there were a few small "suprises"- Curtlo built exactly what I asked for, but there are always details that one might not consider or realize until ride #30.

    Anyways- I agree that a 73mm shell is the way to go. I ended up with a 68 on my Curtlo, which is fine, but looking at it a 73 would definitely have given me more tire clearance. I'm maxed out at a 2.4 rear tire. I do really dig the sliding drop-outs... mine have seen enough abuse already I trust them, plus having the adjustability is cool, it really does change the ride characteristics quite a bit.

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    I am one of those ppl who haven't owned or ridden enough bikes to critique so I've been just mooching off of other people's experiences.
    Did curtlo say why he went 68mm over 73? Must have been a reason to override your original specs?
    AFAIK, I'm not a very picky rider as long as the suspension is smooth and plush, drivetrain is silent, pedals don't wobble or click, bars are nice and wide, cock pit isn't too short, saddle isn't too high Heck, I even had my LBS throw on a 70mm stem on a demo stumpjumper a year ago and I had a blast for a few hours! So i THINK that with a degree off here and there, I just blindly adapt my riding style and just use it as a learning experience. When I went from an Intense VPP to Ventana fauxbar, man the new bike felt so damn slow on the climbs. But I got over it within a few rides and am completely happy now.

    I know for sure I am a stickler for small anal details like fork/tire/crank/seatpost clamp clearance, reamed tubes, clean finishes, headtube badges, cable routing, cable slap, etc.
    Ian said the SS samurais will have tapered round tubing instead of the square/yokes. 2.5s should fit just fine. How he's gonna do that with 68mm BB... i dunno!


    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    That's awesome feedback and really, constructive criticism... which is great! Also very cool you are able to pinpoint and explain what you would do differently. That's the opposite of blind brand allegiance which does run rampant here on MTBR (i.e. "This is the best steel AM hardtail ever! {but also the only one I've ever ridden....}")


    Bottom line is we can do all the research in the world, but until you get the frame and ride it for a while, it's hard to say what "should" be different. Also... if you go custom, then you don't have the option of a test ride or even seeing the finished product until you've paid and waited! I know for me, I definitely based my design partially off chromags and my old dekerf implant, and then changed it again after riding a transition transam. Even then there were a few small "suprises"- Curtlo built exactly what I asked for, but there are always details that one might not consider or realize until ride #30.

    Anyways- I agree that a 73mm shell is the way to go. I ended up with a 68 on my Curtlo, which is fine, but looking at it a 73 would definitely have given me more tire clearance. I'm maxed out at a 2.4 rear tire. I do really dig the sliding drop-outs... mine have seen enough abuse already I trust them, plus having the adjustability is cool, it really does change the ride characteristics quite a bit.

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    Well, for starters, I never say "AM" to describe bikes.

    I am sure a portion of your jab is at me, which is fine.

    I will state I have no blind allegiance to Chromag. I also wasn't aware there was a certain number of hardtails and years you ride one before you are allowed to comment on your ride's characteristics. I just have my experiences to share, which is part of what mtbr is for. I have always been clear and used phrases that indicate these are my personal impressions and experiences and should be taken for what they are worth. I researched and talked to actual hardtail owners for nearly 2 years before I made my descision (my post history would indicate so). Like many people who are on the search for the right bike I laid out specific requirements I wanted out of my hardtail before I made a decision.


    On a side note, (big red fire truck) every one has different bodies and they have different requirements for geometry to get the most comfort and performance out of their ride. I can't imagine dropping coin on a frame without doing extensive research first. I dont think a lot of people are in positions to try all the bikes on their short list before they make a decision, so you read as much as you can, study the #'s, and take everything with a grain salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfluid one
    Did curtlo say why he went 68mm over 73? Must have been a reason to override your original specs?
    I didn't specify 73... I think I had said "clearance for 2.5 tires- would a 73mm BB shell help with this?"

    Ultimately, for $825 and with his experience as a builder, I felt it was totally fair to leave the tubing choice and construction details up to him. I just wanted to supply the geometry / fit and general specs (cable routing & dropouts)....And I'm extremely happy with what he built for me. To clear a 2.35 with room to spare at 16.5" is pretty good I think- certainly a lot more clearance than my old dekerf implant. 2.35 is the magic rear tire size for me anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sly_foxx
    I am sure a portion of your jab is at me, which is fine.
    No jab meant towards you! I don't recall you ever making such a claim actually. Along the lines of what you said, I agree that "best" is relative to your fit requirements, riding style, frequency of use etc.... anyways.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sly_foxx
    I will state I have no blind allegiance to Chromag.
    I actually do (even though I don't own one)
    Only since whistler westside is about my favorite riding in the world, and that's chromags back yard. Several times I've been up there riding and rolled into Dustys at creekside, only to see a mob of chromag bikes & their owners who look happy & worked. Having Tyler Morland doing R&D doesn't hurt either. Mainly I think it's cool they've stuck to making awesome AM/FR steel hardtails instead of following trends.

    Anyways- good thread, sorry for my threadjacking.

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    another mtbr thread starting to suck b/c people cant give an informed opinnion about how a bike feels. bummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    No jab meant towards you! I don't recall you ever making such a claim actually. Along the lines of what you said, I agree that "best" is relative to your fit requirements, riding style, frequency of use etc.... anyways.....
    My apologies. I actually did say in this thread above that the Stylus is the only steel hardtail I have ridden, so thats why I assumed you were poking at me.

    As far as constructive criticism goes, there are some things I would change about my ride if I had saved the $$ to go custom. I have a similar issue with seat angle that boomforreal has. It appears even more slack on the Stylus, I have the nose popping up on steep and techy climbs. It's not really so much an issue, rather an annoyance. I just adjust my riding position. I do not have have a problem with cockpit length like he has though, I have long arms and legs and feel like the geo is almost too compact for me, but the Stylus was intended for Freeride and heavy abuse which is reflected in the geo #'s. If it had around a half inch longer top tube the geo would be money for me. It has gobs of standover for me, my 5ft wife can even stand over it.

    As far as finish goes, my frame didn't have one of the nice head badges that all the other chromag's have. I probably could have emailed Ian about it, but felt like it wasn't worth *****ing over, I got a what I felt was a screaming deal on my frame. I am sure there is more care and attention when you drop the $ on one of the other models that are made in house.

    Quote Originally Posted by FM
    I actually do (even though I don't own one)
    Only since whistler westside is about my favorite riding in the world, and that's chromags back yard. Several times I've been up there riding and rolled into Dustys at creekside, only to see a mob of chromag bikes & their owners who look happy & worked. Having Tyler Morland doing R&D doesn't hurt either. Mainly I think it's cool they've stuck to making awesome AM/FR steel hardtails instead of following trends.

    Anyways- good thread, sorry for my threadjacking.
    That right there is part of the reason behind the Chromag stokage.

    Hopefully we'll see some more pics soon from happy new bike owners, as that was the original purpose of this thread!
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    my sakura will have full length housing, Hammer option and a lower seat tube for more clearance...

    my only concern being it would stand too tall with a 2010 150 reve? any input?
    It stands at 320 with a 518mm 2009 Reve and the 2010 is 530 if I am not mistaken

    now do I go stealth ninja black or flashy tarty orange?
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    put just over 50 miles on it this weekend..

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    Mr. Bling - your friend's Samurai is just sublime.
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    A few pics of my new toy. I got lucky and Chomag had a med Samurai in stock when I called. It has a slight blemish that is completley superficial...totally worth it to avoid the 3 month wait for a new one. Wouldn't have been my first color choice but it's growing on me.

    I basically burned up my spare parts pile building it so it's a bit of a mish-mash for now. I also pimpe dout my wife's xc bike and took some of her old parts. I reduced the Float 36 to 140mm travel as well.

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3806063425/" title="IMG_0414 by garymtb, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3506/3806063425_96a4c93f41_b.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="IMG_0414" /></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by GaryM
    A few pics of my new toy.
    Damn nice ride!
    I dig the color...

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    Sakura in San Francisco. 454 Dual Air, DT Swiss 5.1ex laced to Hope, Avid Elixir 5 185, Shimano SLX, SRAM X.9, Thomson, etc.

    On a uncharacteristically warm day, we usually have lots of fog in summer, hit up the singletrack on Mt. Sutro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Sutro). Nice switchbacking singletrack in the heart of an urban environment. Trail is stewarded and maintained by a collection of people, a majority of who are mountain bikers. It is now possible to link a great ride through the City without having to hop in the car and drive to Santa Cruz, Marin or Napa for trails.

    Then we beelined over to Dolores Park for proper hydration. Dolores Park is nearby and aptly named after one of California's many original missions and is in the SF enclave of the Mission.

    When you hear the word hipster, if you even have, this place is the capital of Hipsterdom and originator in some aspects. Ray ban classes, tattoos, skinny jeans, messenger bikes and chicks. Did not take this photos. Friend did with a much better camera and eye as you can see . Bike is tits. Going to Whistler for a week starting Sunday with it.





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    Some pics from their annual show n shine a while back;

    http://www.cyclecomponentnetwork.com...hine-2009.html

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    I was somewhere in the swiss mountains near Lenzerheide on Sunday. A beautiful day with like 1200 meter of climbig and 4.200 m of bombing down singletracks .... harrrrharrrr

    As usual, I was the only hardtail-rider. But that didn´t slow me down.





    Unfortunatly the trails were so much fun, that none of us wanted to stop for taking action pics.

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    Great pooka! as usual

    I had a blast in the pyennees, also the only one on a hardtail, but no pics just a video footage.

    And I sold the bike to get another one still undecided between a Cove stiffee or a sakura with a MC hammerscmidt option
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    nice stuff!!
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    Has anyone else had a problem w/the paint on their Chromag? I have an 08 Stylus and the clear coat is flaking off and taking the decals with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wwg
    Has anyone else had a problem w/the paint on their Chromag?
    none whatsoever. my samurai got a crazy industrial powder coat from prince george, has narry a scratch on it after 4 years of shore riding. paint and finish is one of chromag's strong suits, perhaps you got a "bad batch"? i think the frames have a 2 year warranty, so ian might sort you out if you get in touch with him.

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    Not a bad pic for a dark forest with an Iphone.

    Chromag Trl. Getting the most riding this year out of the quiver.


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    Hell, I love to ride my Sakura more and more even after one year of riding it.

    Next weekend I´m hopefully in the big mountains again. With gnarly rocky steeps ...hehe

    Here is a fresh footage of a BC-rider on his Gipsy in the Whistler Bikepark. Definitly worth looking. Have fun. I had and now I wanna go out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv7TyakE8qw

    cheers
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    somewhat epic view


    and some trail feature (yes, you have to drop. there is no other way around)

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    what is this?
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    Its a maroon colored Honda truck with a raw full suspension frame in the rear

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    Quote Originally Posted by baycat
    a raw full suspension frame in the rear
    Looks like it's steel... I know that's normal for Chromag, but it's unusual for a FS bike (actually I remember just Keewee).

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    how can you tell it's steel?

    some smaller companies prototype in steel until they get the geometry and design dialled, and then go aluminum for late stage prototyping and production. for example.

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    Tubes seem too thin to be aluminium. I mean, I don't think you'll put a Totem on an alu bike with such thin tubes on the head tube area... and I can't see gussets at all. Don't know if it's just for the prototyping stage, but it looks like it's steel

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    I have an '07 Stylus frame (med.) for sale. pics in the classified section or send me a pm on here.
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    Another Samurai

    Should have this built over the next month and will post the final build pics.
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    Also, the frame for sale isn't the one with clear coat issues.
    Quote Originally Posted by wwg
    I have an '07 Stylus frame (med.) for sale. pics in the classified section or send me a pm on here.
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    Awesome Eric.. that orange POPS

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    Where are all these sick frame pictures coming from!

    Thanks for posting them

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