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    Seems like there is a lot of judgement on this thread. And for a thread about moving from the bay area, a lot of animosity towards anyone suggesting that there's no need to move!

    It's really based on your priorities (and attitude).

    If your main criteria is mountain biking and you don't have to worry about a job, then there are dozens of places you should move to. So many great places profiled on this thread, I need to start road tripping.

    But, for me and my priorities:
    • wheels on dirt in 5 minutes. if you evade/ignore the haters, good singletrack abounds.
    • surf/beach in 12 minutes
    • world class kitesurfing 15 minutes
    • beautiful and cosmopolitan city with unlimited earnings potential 15 minutes a way
    • top notch road cycling everywhere
    • over 100,000 acres of connected open space behind your back fence
    • real skiing for weekends
    • great weather that you can ride in any time you feel like year around


    Where else am I going to live?

    Not to mention that I live in an awesome community filled with fun, outdoorsy, adventurous families. I'll take it over the immature bro/brah mountain/surf town vibe all day long. It's definitely part of why I'll be staying for the time being.

    Having traveled near and far, I'd have to give up too much of something moving anywhere else in the US. So, looks like I'm here until the kids are out of school at least. Oh yeah, kids and schools - I almost forgot about that.
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    Two-thirds of Californians would advise young people to leave the state, survey finds
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Two-thirds of Californians would advise young people to leave the state, survey finds
    https://www.sfgate.com/expensive-san...e-13189055.php

    That opinion as to whether others should leave the state was split evenly by Bay Area residents surveyed (2/3 was in rural districts). Interestingly enough, the same survey takers were split evenly as to whether getting a college education was valuable.

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    Also featured in the first page view of their website "The end of white Christian America".

    Hmmm....

    Being old, I'm not going to factor that survey into my thought process too much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jsmbythebay View Post
    Seems like there is a lot of judgement on this thread. And for a thread about moving from the bay area, a lot of animosity towards anyone suggesting that there's no need to move!

    It's really based on your priorities (and attitude).

    If your main criteria is mountain biking and you don't have to worry about a job, then there are dozens of places you should move to. So many great places profiled on this thread, I need to start road tripping.

    But, for me and my priorities:
    • wheels on dirt in 5 minutes. if you evade/ignore the haters, good singletrack abounds.
    • surf/beach in 12 minutes
    • world class kitesurfing 15 minutes
    • beautiful and cosmopolitan city with unlimited earnings potential 15 minutes a way
    • top notch road cycling everywhere
    • over 100,000 acres of connected open space behind your back fence
    • real skiing for weekends
    • great weather that you can ride in any time you feel like year around


    Where else am I going to live?

    Not to mention that I live in an awesome community filled with fun, outdoorsy, adventurous families. I'll take it over the immature bro/brah mountain/surf town vibe all day long. It's definitely part of why I'll be staying for the time being.

    Having traveled near and far, I'd have to give up too much of something moving anywhere else in the US. So, looks like I'm here until the kids are out of school at least. Oh yeah, kids and schools - I almost forgot about that.
    Id argue i live in an area (seattle area) that is equal to or beats the BA for all of your priorities except surf, road biking, and amount of sun (though it is still temperate year round riding). But like you said, its all about what your priorities are, and in what order they lay .

    For me there were too many downsides to staying in the BA, and too many upsides to moving to the PNW... and honestly, i still dont really see any comparative downside to living here. I lucked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    Yup, my father grew up in the Almaden Valley area in the early 60's, back when it was mostly orchards and hillside forests. sounded like an awesome childhood riding dirt bikes in the hills, pissing off the orchard farmers, and exploring all the mineshafts before the age of lawsuits. He even had a buddy whose dad worked at the base on Mt Umunum, where there was apparently a really nice country club situation of sorts for the military personel.

    My folks live in Palo Alto now, and my grandpa was living in Amladen till earlier this year when he passed. My pops talks fondly about the old SJ, the one of his childhood, and the one when he and my mother were at SJ State in the 70s. Currently, they cant wait to GTFO of the area. they would have done it long ago if they didnt live in Palo Alto where they are insulated pretty well from the rest of the BA shitshow.

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    I've been looking at school reviews and Facebook pages for Seattle area schools (you can't do tours, since you can't transfer like you can here). Don't know what to think of all the ratings.

    But I'm looking at Bellevue today and lots of the reviews mention their child's IQ. For elementary school. WTF? Are folks regularly IQ testing five and six year olds? That's the kinda over achieving garbage I saw in Foster City that I want to get away from...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    I've been looking at school reviews and Facebook pages for Seattle area schools (you can't do tours, since you can't transfer like you can here). Don't know what to think of all the ratings.

    But I'm looking at Bellevue today and lots of the reviews mention their child's IQ. For elementary school. WTF? Are folks regularly IQ testing five and six year olds? That's the kinda over achieving garbage I saw in Foster City that I want to get away from...
    The parents IQ testing their 8 year olds are also the kind of parents who feel the need to write detailed reviews their elementary schools,a nd brag about their kids IQ. take it for what its worth. Much easier to teach your kid balance and have the school culture teach them high expectations than the other way around IMO.

    Also, there is a certain demographic in bellevue, similar to foster city or cupertino, that places unhealthy and unbalanced expectations upon their children. But again, pretty easy to avoid that trap if you arent into that parenting style.

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    Bellevue is the Palo Alto of the Seattle area so I'm not shocked at all.

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    Just got a verbal job offer in Reno. Any insight on the area would be awesome. Nurse Ben did give me a nice over view. I am 51 with 2 kids and a wife and feel every year a little less able to afford anything here, granted I live in La Selva Beach, so my cage is fairly gilded.
    I went out last Sunday met my potential employer for lunch, hiked up Thompson creek and toured about different neighborhoods. Don't care for beige track homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trespinero View Post
    Just got a verbal job offer in Reno. Any insight on the area would be awesome. Nurse Ben did give me a nice over view. I am 51 with 2 kids and a wife and feel every year a little less able to afford anything here, granted I live in La Selva Beach, so my cage is fairly gilded.
    I went out last Sunday met my potential employer for lunch, hiked up Thompson creek and toured about different neighborhoods. Don't care for beige track homes.
    Boy it's a very different life style. I wouldn't leave the beach. However, depends on your situation. If you currently rent, then yeah looking for an affordable place makes sense. But if you already own and can afford your home, man I'd think twice no doubt. It's doubtful you'll be able to come back as easy as you'll leave.

    Sometimes we get caught up in life and forget how nice it is here. Yes it's nice elsewhere, just sayin there's not much like Coastal California. Just make sure your ready to do this.

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    I have 3 friends who live in the area and enjoy it. They do multiple outdoor activities and yes there is apparently some decent riding in Reno (both road and mtb). Reno is apparently booming. Prices have risen on homes. Better restaurants and food with this growth. It's not a cultural wasteland. Don't know anything about the schools. I looked into living there in 2010 but the job offer didn't pan out - it was seriously in the recession then and housing prices had tanked.

    Weather is high desert - cold in winter, hot in summer. Usually not too much snow.

    The Old Southwest neighborhood is your best bet for cool older homes (definitely not tract homes).

    Tough call on leaving Santa Cruz Co coast to live in Reno. Way more affordable housing in Reno. Reno is obviously bigger and has a lot of sprawl but those towns along the coast are small but the traffic can make them seem bigger.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trespinero View Post
    Just got a verbal job offer in Reno. Any insight on the area would be awesome. Nurse Ben did give me a nice over view. I am 51 with 2 kids and a wife and feel every year a little less able to afford anything here, granted I live in La Selva Beach, so my cage is fairly gilded.
    I went out last Sunday met my potential employer for lunch, hiked up Thompson creek and toured about different neighborhoods. Don't care for beige track homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Californiagrown View Post
    The parents IQ testing their 8 year olds are also the kind of parents who feel the need to write detailed reviews their elementary schools,a nd brag about their kids IQ. take it for what its worth. Much easier to teach your kid balance and have the school culture teach them high expectations than the other way around IMO.

    Also, there is a certain demographic in bellevue, similar to foster city or cupertino, that places unhealthy and unbalanced expectations upon their children. But again, pretty easy to avoid that trap if you arent into that parenting style.
    Thanks for the advice. I was afraid it'd be all over achievers. But I guess the test ratings aren't 10/10, so probably not. I did a couple tours of private schools in Foster City and they were intense. One of my coworkers sent his daughter to one of them and she is miserable; another coworker is in Palo Alto and their high schooler is miserable and worn out. My kid is pretty smart but I see no sense in having him join the rat race too early. Spend that energy learning to ride

    I'm flying up for the day tomorrow, gotta pack my bike shortly. I got the Alaska airlines card so I can take a free bag. I timed it perfectly to get rained on. Still looking forward to riding Duthie!

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    Thanks for the thoughts to mb and king_D about Reno. We are torn, yes we are in a pretty decent priced rental albeit falling apart but love the schools both our kids are in here. Socially not really attached, we moved here from SF and we find the people here either generally younger or older both in age and mentality. We are still more socially attached to SF than Aptos even after 5 years. Yes on South west Reno as the hood we like, it is the first place I went and felt like I could live there. Went to a yard sale and met a young family who were friendly and super positive about the area. I hate moving, I hate changing jobs, I love Nisene at my door step and that big ocean is nice. On the other shoulder Mt. Rose being 30 - 45 min away, a house to call my (and the banks) own and not having to drive to San Jose, Atherton, SF, Pebble Beach multiple times a week would shorten my work week considerably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trespinero View Post
    Just got a verbal job offer in Reno. Any insight on the area would be awesome. Nurse Ben did give me a nice over view. I am 51 with 2 kids and a wife and feel every year a little less able to afford anything here, granted I live in La Selva Beach, so my cage is fairly gilded.
    I went out last Sunday met my potential employer for lunch, hiked up Thompson creek and toured about different neighborhoods. Don't care for beige track homes.
    If you don't mind the commute, Carson City has a much nicer small town vibe than Reno and is only 20 minutes south. The downtown area is being revamped with lots of new infrastructure and restaurants, there are free concerts all summer, and great trails that you don't have to drive to get to. Also, the neighborhoods are less beige
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    I drove around the Spiritridge area of Bellevue. Reminds me of Belmont. Some great views of Lake Sammamish out there. But I think I am allergic to Bellevue. I retreated east and had QFC sushi for lunch near Klahanie. The vibe is completely different even though it was only 10 minutes away. One of the dudes at Progression Cycle change my tire for me. Figured I should mount 2.5s on my new wide rims.

    Lots of people at Duthie. I haven't been on an MTB in a while. That's my excuse. I'm surprised I didn't blow out the rear tire casing so many jumps. Maybe more rolling resistance with wider tires? I'm not any fatter than last time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trespinero View Post
    Thanks for the thoughts to mb and king_D about Reno. We are torn, yes we are in a pretty decent priced rental albeit falling apart but love the schools both our kids are in here. Socially not really attached, we moved here from SF and we find the people here either generally younger or older both in age and mentality. We are still more socially attached to SF than Aptos even after 5 years. Yes on South west Reno as the hood we like, it is the first place I went and felt like I could live there. Went to a yard sale and met a young family who were friendly and super positive about the area. I hate moving, I hate changing jobs, I love Nisene at my door step and that big ocean is nice. On the other shoulder Mt. Rose being 30 - 45 min away, a house to call my (and the banks) own and not having to drive to San Jose, Atherton, SF, Pebble Beach multiple times a week would shorten my work week considerably.
    What about Truckee? Close to Reno, (30 miles on highway 80) great community, especially for kids and outstandingly good schools. Not so sure about Reno area schools, but this may be a concern as I know overcrowding has been an issue for a while.
    https://mynews4.com/news/local/wcsd-...-for-this-year

    Depending on where in Truckee, you could find a place that is 20-30 min from Reno and 10-15min from Lake Tahoe. Wherever it is in Truckee, youíll be minutes away from the forest, lakes or rivers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singletrackmack View Post
    What about Truckee? Close to Reno, (30 miles on highway 80) great community, especially for kids and outstandingly good schools. Not so sure about Reno area schools, but this may be a concern as I know overcrowding has been an issue for a while.
    https://mynews4.com/news/local/wcsd-...-for-this-year

    Depending on where in Truckee, you could find a place that is 20-30 min from Reno and 10-15min from Lake Tahoe. Wherever it is in Truckee, youíll be minutes away from the forest, lakes or rivers.
    Verdi might be the more affordable & more available alternative - especially with a job in Reno. If your aiming for Reno work with Truckee living - Glenshire would be about as good as it gets. Community, location, short drive to Reno. Weather and traffic can be an issue but to be honest i've been held up / stopped more times on 80 in the summer with over turned big rigs than I ever have in the Winter.

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    Glenshire is also nice because the snow doesn't pile up as much as the rest of Truckee. It's typically just low enough that it makes a difference.

    Although, I bet paying California income tax while working in Nevada would make living in Nevada potentially worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassieno View Post
    Glenshire is also nice because the snow doesn't pile up as much as the rest of Truckee. It's typically just low enough that it makes a difference.

    Although, I bet paying California income tax while working in Nevada would make living in Nevada potentially worth it.
    Not a tax specialist, but technically taxes are owed where you work, not where you reside. Or at least I thought so.

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    My understanding - admittedly limited - is that's how it typically works. But California wants their hand in the cookie jar and will get theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassieno View Post
    My understanding - admittedly limited - is that's how it typically works. But California wants their hand in the cookie jar and will get theirs.
    Some quick googling shows that you are right. Apparently states tax their residents regardless of where income is earned but give a tax credit for whatever you pay in your non resident working state. In this particular case, the credit would be zero. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg View Post
    Not a tax specialist, but technically taxes are owed where you work, not where you reside. Or at least I thought so.

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    +1 on this. At a previous startup I worked for we had some remote employees that were on-site a certain amount of time throughout the year. They would only be in CA a certain number of days to prevent paying taxes. It was a CA startup but of course the company was technically from Delaware like every other company.

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    I work remote for MN based company and pay CA state taxes. Tax rate is based on where you reside. There may be some other rules based on time spent working onsite. Not a tax expert but did have to go a few rounds with HR to get this sorted.

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    CA FTB is brutal. If you reside in CA, you must pay CA taxes (you can deduct taxes you pay to the other states, eg my wife spent 3 months in Illinois and paid 7% or something, so FTB took 3%). Their definition of residency is strict so even people who vacation here too long get nabbed.

    I had a friend who moved to WA for a job, kept his house here though. Went to court when the FTB came after him. He won, but it got down to proving with travel records etc that he was in Bellevue for several years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassieno View Post
    Glenshire is also nice because the snow doesn't pile up as much as the rest of Truckee. It's typically just low enough that it makes a difference.

    Although, I bet paying California income tax while working in Nevada would make living in Nevada potentially worth it.
    There's a whole industry around avoiding CA income taxes by "living" in Incline Village...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    There's a whole industry around avoiding CA income taxes by "living" in Incline Village...
    Yeah, because why should rich folk play by the same rules as everyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurtssogood View Post
    Yeah, because why should rich folk play by the same rules as everyone else?
    how are they not playing by the same rules? Last time i checked they have to follow the same tax law as you. Jealousy is a bad look.

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    I think his commute from Truckee to Reno and back on a daily basis could get dicey in Winter so something to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Californiagrown View Post
    how are they not playing by the same rules? Last time i checked they have to follow the same tax law as you. Jealousy is a bad look.
    Referring to people who live in CA, and buy a second (or third or fourth) home in Incline or elsewhere in NV, and then come tax time pretend that is their regular residence, even though they are there far less than half the year. Pretty common occurance.
    And not the least bit jealous, I live here full time . To me, greed and entitlement are bad looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurtssogood View Post
    Referring to people who live in CA, and buy a second (or third or fourth) home in Incline or elsewhere in NV, and then come tax time pretend that is their regular residence, even though they are there far less than half the year. Pretty common occurance.
    I think CA's "residence" laws are way out of band but that's just straight up fraud.

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    Anyone got advice on the mechanics of moving? All the times I moved, everything fit in my Toyota pickup. That is not at all the case anymore.

    I don't even have a clue how much space all this stuff takes up shoved into a container. I'm guessing if I work out the per lb price I'll be able to judge what is worth moving and what isn't.

    I moved an entire studio in my Sprinter. It took three trips with my current Ford van to help my buddy move his 1br apartment (but it had 4 occupants), however the packing was badly inefficient.

    I am most scared of my 1200lbs CNC end mill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    Anyone got advice on the mechanics of moving? All the times I moved, everything fit in my Toyota pickup. That is not at all the case anymore.

    I don't even have a clue how much space all this stuff takes up shoved into a container. I'm guessing if I work out the per lb price I'll be able to judge what is worth moving and what isn't.

    I moved an entire studio in my Sprinter. It took three trips with my current Ford van to help my buddy move his 1br apartment (but it had 4 occupants), however the packing was badly inefficient.

    I am most scared of my 1200lbs CNC end mill...
    So youíre officially moving to Seattle?

    We hired movers. Weíve had too much stuff since 2001. At this point it didnít make any sense to move it on our own.

    Last time we moved on our own was 2003. But that was a local move. Across states it would have been too daunting since we work full time.
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    Wild-ass-guess.

    That said, 1-800-pack-rat was solid and has the best containers out there. After one was very nicely packed - and 2000 lbs over weight, another container was delivered next-day and very reasonably priced.

    With the containers you can pack in stages, so makes it more reasonable to tackle yourself.

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    Get rid of much stuff as you can before you move. Sell or give away things you don't need. Plan this months in advance, it does wonders.

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    alexrms and stripes, I figure I'm starting something like 9 months in advance. I've already been stuffing the garbage bin full since April. I gave away all my spare bike parts (but still have, uh, six bikes, heh). There's a ton of kid stuff crammed everywhere...

    I called the PD on some meth head looking dudes breaking into cars tonight. They were doing it right at rush hour in plain sight, but you know, everyone is hurrying home. Have had our cars broken into 4 times over this decade so good to finally nab someone. Fun times in the million dollar ghetto.

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    Neither Pods or 1-800-pack-rat will give you a quote online. Have to call. Blarg. Yelp reviewer said a 17 footer from Indiana to SF cost $5k with some storage as well. That's 2270 miles.

    It's about 830 miles from San Mateo to Seattle, or 37%. Rough estimate, 37% of $5000 is $1850. Hmm, tempting to just buy a used trailer since we have 2 cars that can tow, although it'd look a bit like Appalachia in the driveway for a while. Although sfbay.craigslist is really short on used trailers that look like they'd make it more than 100 miles and the new ones are $3k+. I got my top of the line 12 foot enclosed v-nose almost brand new for $2500 a few years ago; looks like the prices drop if you can drive out to Modesto or beyond.

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    Be careful with PODS, they try to quote you the price without tax, etc to make it seem lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckee Trash View Post
    Verdi might be the more affordable & more available alternative - especially with a job in Reno. If your aiming for Reno work with Truckee living - Glenshire would be about as good as it gets. Community, location, short drive to Reno. Weather and traffic can be an issue but to be honest i've been held up / stopped more times on 80 in the summer with over turned big rigs than I ever have in the Winter.
    Thanks again for all the input. It is a huge decision and I am super torn. I drove through Verdi and donít know Glenshire but will check it. Verdi didnít appeal to me but maybe I need to explore it more. I saw some new track home subdivision that looked pretty bleak. If I do this I feel like Nevada would win out due to tax and property tax laws. Truckee is cool and have friends in Tahoe city but I have logged way too many car miles in the last 5 years and will be mostly office (south Reno by Whole Foods) based. Galena looks good but I feel like being less remote more urban day to day and I can still get out pretty easy on the weekends from old south west if that is what they call it.

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    Hey guys jump on this one quick. House destroyed by fire, only $1.09m!!!

    https://www.redfin.com/CA/Millbrae/1...30/home/670228

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    Hey guys jump on this one quick. House destroyed by fire, only $1.09m!!!

    https://www.redfin.com/CA/Millbrae/1...30/home/670228
    What a mess!
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    What a mess!
    That mess is fixable. I would not hesitate much to buy at the asking price. Even rebuilding from ground up on the same foundation. I wonder how reassessment of value will be done after that.

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    My understanding is you cannot get a conventional loan on such a home, so you'd need lots more cash (and that's before fixing it).

    Anyway, given our budget is around a million, I dont get warm fuzzies regarding our long term prospects on the Peninsula when the only listing meeting my Redfin criteria is a burned out hulk.

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    I have looked at Santa Cruz and nearby. It is simply too remote. If I'm going to suck it up and have an hour+ commute, it'd better not be far to biking, skiing, and hockey (windsurfing is bonus points). SC only has biking but I have yet to find any trails I love-- I think it's just a different style of riding. The various dirt jumps are nice, but I can ride the concrete parks in RWC and Pacifica instead and have a 25 minute commute... so long as my landlord stays cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    I have looked at Santa Cruz and nearby. It is simply too remote. If I'm going to suck it up and have an hour+ commute, it'd better not be far to biking, skiing, and hockey (windsurfing is bonus points). SC only has biking but I have yet to find any trails I love-- I think it's just a different style of riding. The various dirt jumps are nice, but I can ride the concrete parks in RWC and Pacifica instead and have a 25 minute commute... so long as my landlord stays cool.
    Demo forest is great. Lots of climbing but the flow trail is world class.


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    Demo forest is great. Lots of climbing but the flow trail is world class.
    Yeh but there's not much else other than a series of berms. And you have to climb for half an hour. I prefer more sessionable stuff. Call me when it's more like Evolution @ Galbraith

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    What's your phone number? Setting a reminder to call you if it's ever like Evolution.

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    What's your phone number? Setting a reminder to call you if it's ever like Evolution.
    Hehe. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's quite an achievement for the SFBA. But in 2018, flow trails are like running water or toilets that flush.

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    Thanks again for all the input. It is a huge decision and I am super torn. I drove through Verdi and donít know Glenshire but will check it. Verdi didnít appeal to me but maybe I need to explore it more. I saw some new track home subdivision that looked pretty bleak. If I do this I feel like Nevada would win out due to tax and property tax laws. Truckee is cool and have friends in Tahoe city but I have logged way too many car miles in the last 5 years and will be mostly office (south Reno by Whole Foods) based. Galena looks good but I feel like being less remote more urban day to day and I can still get out pretty easy on the weekends from old south west if that is what they call it.
    The Old Southwest is the best neighborhood in Reno. Iíve been here since the early 2000s and ride Peavine from my house, walk downtown for events at the river and due to the traffic patterns, commutes are easy. Itís more expensive than other areas of town and the homes are older (mine was built in 1938) but itís much better than the track homes.

    Galena is nice and closer to Tahoe but a little more removed from town and it gets windy. My mom lives in Verdi and complains about it being too far from Truckee (she moved from Glenshire) but also too far from town.


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    Has anybody moved abroad? Would be interested to hear those accounts.
    I moved here from abroad, and I ain't moving back.

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    As mush as our country is messed up, other countries just don't have the same rights as us. I know there a few uniquely American rights I'd never give up. Very few other counties offer the vast public lands that we have as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    As mush as our country is messed up, other countries just don't have the same rights as us. I know there a few uniquely American rights I'd never give up. Very few other counties offer the vast public lands that we have as well.
    Not true. Have you traveled abroad much? A lot of countries have a ton of public land for enjoyment. US is good for city, county, state, and national parks. However, many countries I have been to have excellent public land and trail networks. Many of them maintained and developed better than the ones in the US.

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    Santa Cruz...but I have yet to find any trails I love
    ...Wut??

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    Missoula Montana has a great MTB scene and 3 or 4 riding areas up valleys that spread out from the city center. Not to mention a huge whitewater kayak scene, skiing/ boarding/ hunting/ hiking and backpacking. The University keeps the town active and upbeat. Several breweries, great restaurants and outdoor focused businesses are there.

    There are jobs, but you have to be open minded and expect much lower pay than in California. There are more service and tourism jobs than tech. Housing is much cheaper of course, but more expensive than other areas like Minneapolis for example compared to income. I went to school in Missoula, and thatís where I really developed my passion for mountain biking.

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    Has anybody moved abroad? Would be interested to hear those accounts.
    I have a friend from Munich who went back for a couple weeks to explore if he could move back there (been here 15 years, got married, had two kids). He emphatic-- no way... housing is too expensive, at least if you don't want to downgrade from a single family home, and he wouldn't be able to make Bay Area money. He's thinking Sierra foothills or Gold Country...


    BELLINGHAM folks, how's the bike ranch? Their FB page says Tuesdays is kids night. I'm not sure what that means or if it's worth driving up from Seattle to check it out.

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    I should clarify, next week I'm probably going to do a dry run and hang out on the Seattle east side for the work week. Work remotely. I did this a few years ago in Portland and it was a lot of fun. However, my wife can only stay a couple days and then I have to watch our son (who is 5). He might drive me nuts. Maybe working a half day and then a quick trip up to Bellingham is just too ambitious or not worth it...

    I still haven't booked any AirBnB accommodations so we'll see...

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    One aside, I was just in Maui for a few days and met a former Pleasanton resident in Wailea. She looked in her 50s. She and her husband had moved a year ago to give it a go, sold their house 3 months later. I asked her thoughts, and all she said was: "You can't buy this last year we've had". Encouragement for all you with a place to cash out

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    I have to keep coming back to the Bay Area for work every couple of months.

    Even if I could afford to move back, no way I would. Itís nice to see friends, but the lung pain isnít worth it. Nor is the craziness that runs this place now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    One aside, I was just in Maui for a few days and met a former Pleasanton resident in Wailea. She looked in her 50s. She and her husband had moved a year ago to give it a go, sold their house 3 months later. I asked her thoughts, and all she said was: "You can't buy this last year we've had". Encouragement for all you with a place to cash out
    wow. maui. That's a lot of upside!!
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    wow. maui. That's a lot of upside!!
    Kauai is where it's at for mountain biking, but you have to know where to look. Back there next month for awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    One aside, I was just in Maui for a few days and met a former Pleasanton resident in Wailea. She looked in her 50s. She and her husband had moved a year ago to give it a go, sold their house 3 months later. I asked her thoughts, and all she said was: "You can't buy this last year we've had". Encouragement for all you with a place to cash out
    Maui?? That's like moving to, well... Hawaii.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    One aside, I was just in Maui for a few days and met a former Pleasanton resident in Wailea. She looked in her 50s. She and her husband had moved a year ago to give it a go, sold their house 3 months later. I asked her thoughts, and all she said was: "You can't buy this last year we've had". Encouragement for all you with a place to cash out
    haha..stop. my wife and i have been talking about it. she wants to buy a condo now and rent it out. have it waiting for us.

    she grew up in the tropics and i think she wants it to end there as well, you know, come full circle.

    me? i dont live in a circle. more of a jagged random line . i can live anywhere. as a old person, i just need a good medical facility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomchakabowwow View Post
    haha..stop. my wife and i have been talking about it. she wants to buy a condo now and rent it out. have it waiting for us.

    she grew up in the tropics and i think she wants it to end there as well, you know, come full circle.

    me? i dont live in a circle. more of a jagged random line . i can live anywhere. as a old person, i just need a good medical facility.
    We have a sign at our house ďyouíre not going back. Stop looking at that way.Ē

    I donít think I can live back in the tropics. I had enough beach sand to last a lifetime.

    I like the saying living life in a random jagged line thanks for the smile this morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    Kauai is where it's at for mountain biking, but you have to know where to look. Back there next month for awhile.

    Great video by MTB FlowRider.

    I liked MTB in kauai, but didn't love it. Those climbs are STEEP!

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    I guess this is why childless dual income couples are taking over the 'hood.

    Facebookís median pay tops $240,000 ó here's how that compares to 30 other big Bay Area employers
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    Two things coming out today.

    Home prices have doubled since 2012 in the South Bay:
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/...nce-recession/

    The housing boom is slowing. Folks have been saying that this has been happening the last couple months. A slowdown, correction is needed for sure. The insanity needs to reload.
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/...the-lull-last/
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    Pricing has been tracking with my stock portfolio... except I can't get a loan to buy stocks...Want to leave Bay Area. Where to go?-screen-shot-2018-10-15-9.07.22-am.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Two things coming out today.

    Home prices have doubled since 2012 in the South Bay:
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/...nce-recession/

    The housing boom is slowing. Folks have been saying that this has been happening the last couple months. A slowdown, correction is needed for sure. The insanity needs to reload.
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/...the-lull-last/
    Bay Area housing is beginning to feel a lot like Wall Street.


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    The burned out home in Millbrae I posted earlier sold over list (by 300k). One of the few recent listings we could possibly afford, even on two six figure incomes (tho not tech worker level). Heh.Want to leave Bay Area. Where to go?-screen-shot-2018-10-15-9.19.35-am.jpgWant to leave Bay Area. Where to go?-screen-shot-2018-10-15-9.19.13-am.jpg

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    I'm on my PC in the Gorge today. It's definitely fall, the colors are changing though not full on red, orange and yellow. It's 100% clear and after lunch time, warm enough. The forecast says it's low 70s for highs, but in the mornings and evenings the wind is definitely chilly. It's in the 60s out towards Seattle.

    I laugh at SFBA folks who bundle up in down jackets and beanies when it's 62 out, but it's about the same here. I went kayaking yesterday in swim trunks and a t-shirt and passed by some fishermen bundled up like it was winter. Heh. Loam should be perfect when I get to riding tomorrow.

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    One other note-- I was in Portland last night and the evening weather was perfect. I walked around the Montavilla neighborhood and it was 59 or 60F and still. Back out to the Gorge, and it was 48F with a slight cold breeze. Although in the dead of winter you're going to get slate grey skies in either location, throughout the rest of the year the near Gorge seems to get more clear weather. That also means there's nothing to trap the heat around the edges of winter...

    I've had a few convos with folks recently that are leaving here or Portland... they're all going to the coast (OR or WA) and particularly far north coastal WA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    The burned out home in Millbrae I posted earlier sold over list (by 300k). One of the few recent listings we could possibly afford, even on two six figure incomes (tho not tech worker level). Heh.Click image for larger version. 

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    shit!! that is a Datsun Roadster in that pic!!
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    shit!! that is a Datsun Roadster in that pic!!
    Good eye! It looks like it may have been damaged in the fire. I hope not!

    I guess I'm a young man with old man dreams, but I would love to have a Datsun Roadster (or Midget or Honda S600) with a luggage rack and a nice wooden steering wheel for roadtrips up and down the coast. Then again I'd probably get run over by a full-size truck so I would either need a sportbike engine swap (yes please!) to stay ahead of trouble or upsize to a nice 240z

    In 20+ years when my kids are finished college the old cars available on craigslist will probably be some rare surviving stanced Miatas, a trashed Integra or two with fake JDM parts, and a lot of unkillable PT Cruisers.

    Restoring a classic mountain bike sounds like a better dream

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitek View Post
    The burned out home in Millbrae I posted earlier sold over list (by 300k). One of the few recent listings we could possibly afford, even on two six figure incomes (tho not tech worker level). Heh.Click image for larger version. 

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    Hey Fitek

    There are far more affordable neighborhoods in the BA and nice areas too. Also, the upper end has def slowed! Maybe a change and chance for some.

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    Hey Fitek

    There are far more affordable neighborhoods in the BA and nice areas too. Also, the upper end has def slowed! Maybe a change and chance for some.
    Where are these far more affordable nice neighborhoods? I would assume the commute is generally terrible? Are they affordable, or just more affordable by comparison?

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    One other note-- I was in Portland last night and the evening weather was perfect. I walked around the Montavilla neighborhood and it was 59 or 60F and still. Back out to the Gorge, and it was 48F with a slight cold breeze.
    By "the Gorge" do you mean Hood River area? I love that place. Been a couple times on road trips. I'd happily move there if I could find a job.

    On the other hand, I turned down a job offer in Bellevue a few years ago because, among other things, the area was too expensive. Thought living in Issaquah would be better but it was kinda pricey and reportedly a hellish drive into downtown B'vue every day.

    I grew up in Oly and went to the UW. But I haven't lived there in many years. I miss it; but I think the old laid-back PNW vibe that I remember is pretty much gone (never had it on the east side).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Californiagrown View Post
    Where are these far more affordable nice neighborhoods? I would assume the commute is generally terrible? Are they affordable, or just more affordable by comparison?
    Under a million is 'affordable'

    All the East sides, fog belts, perimeter cities is my guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdawson808 View Post
    but I think the old laid-back PNW vibe that I remember is pretty much gone (never had it on the east side).
    Its still MUCH more laid back than the bay area, but the facts are that Seattle is a major metro city that is one of a handful of city's in the world that are leading the Tech economy. times have changed, and the people have changed. What hasnt changed is that you can still drive 15-20 minutes and be in beautiful farm country, drive another 15 minutes and you are in legit mountains. Its easy to get away. The only two downsides to living in the greater seattle area are the traffic during the normal hours, and the oppressive weather that starts to wear on you for two months in april and may. Otherwise, pretty much everything a mountain based outdoorsy professional person would want is as good or better here than any other place in the country.

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    By "the Gorge" do you mean Hood River area? I love that place. Been a couple times on road trips. I'd happily move there if I could find a job.
    ...you have to bring a job with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Under a million is 'affordable'

    All the East sides. Fog belts. Perimeter cities is my guess.
    I honestly dont know anymore. I do know my sister and BIL are trying to find a small place on the peninsula to buy right now and cannot find anything liveable for under $900k. A fairly shitty 2x2 condo on El Camino in san mateo they were looking at was listed for $920k and went for just over 1 million apparently. They have a baby, but it still sucks when a combined 250k+ income is priced out of pretty much everything.

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    Damn, even Stanley Roberts is leaving the Bay Area. Too many housing prices and people behaving badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Californiagrown View Post
    I honestly dont know anymore. I do know my sister and BIL are trying to find a small place on the peninsula to buy right now and cannot find anything liveable for under $900k. A fairly shitty 2x2 condo on El Camino in san mateo they were looking at was listed for $920k and went for just over 1 million apparently. They have a baby, but it still sucks when a combined 250k+ income is priced out of pretty much everything.
    Then, move across the bay or maybe down by Pacifica.

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    Then, move across the bay or maybe down by Pacifica.

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    Just checking Redfin, it looks like it would be very difficult to find a decent place for under $900k in pacifica. East bay and the 2+ hour RT commute that would be involved is a non-starter for a new mother, and IMO would be a nonstarter for someone with kids placing an emphasis on family life.

    Its just shitty that a nurse/firefighter nuclear family are priced out of owning a starter home w/in 30 mins of their jobs. Ive been rooting for them to move away for a while now, but it would be tough for my BIL to leave such a lucrative FD and start from scratch somewhere else for pennies on the dollar.

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    Either we overbuild the bay area or we continue to price everyone out. No good outcome.

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    Either we overbuild the bay area or we continue to price everyone out. No good outcome.

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    Or both, look at Hong Kong.

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    The more affordable parts of the Bay Area that are not way out would be like Hayward, San Leandro, San Lorenzo and up Hy 80 thru Richmond to Rodeo, Hercules, Pinole etc. There are currently like 40 houses for sale in Hayward under 600k and numerous houses in good shape. Also Pinole and surrounding area is nice and I saw a 3bd 2 1/2 bth 2 car garage built in like 2000 for 589k and been on the market 30 days. Richmond is pretty dang close in and yes, some of the areas are not so good but there are some really nice areas of Richmond that might surprise you and very affordable, under 600-650 as well.

    But yes, if you need to be in SF, Marin, Peninsula or SJ area, well it's costly. SJ might be attainable though under 800k. Haven't checked tho.

    There are options but probably involve a commute.

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    Having spent a lot of time in the Bay Area, but never having lived there, I have to say that until the 1970's or so, it must have been paradise. Today? No f&^%$ing way.

    I read this thread and realize that as bad as things are around Boulder, they will probably be worse in another 10 years, and even worse 10 years after that. Boulder is SV, Version 2.13 and there is no stopping it getting just as bad as the Bay Area, just 10 years behind. The average price of a house in Boulder is now over $1 Million, but the surrounding areas are not as crazy as the Bay Area - yet. I know all of the CA people scream "no ocean", but a huge percentage of people in the US don't live anywhere near the ocean today, never have, and don't care.

    I'm bailing out of the Boulder area as soon as I can retire. I have a couple of areas in mind, but I'm not telling. All the CA people can move to Boulder and feel right at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit View Post
    Having spent a lot of time in the Bay Area, but never having lived there, I have to say that until the 1970's or so, it must have been paradise. Today? No f&^%$ing way.

    I read this thread and realize that as bad as things are around Boulder, they will probably be worse in another 10 years, and even worse 10 years after that. Boulder is SV, Version 2.13 and there is no stopping it getting just as bad as the Bay Area, just 10 years behind. The average price of a house in Boulder is now over $1 Million, but the surrounding areas are not as crazy as the Bay Area - yet. I know all of the CA people scream "no ocean", but a huge percentage of people in the US don't live anywhere near the ocean today, never have, and don't care.

    I'm bailing out of the Boulder area as soon as I can retire. I have a couple of areas in mind, but I'm not telling. All the CA people can move to Boulder and feel right at home.
    There's gonna be a cascading effect. That's not a bad option though with cashing out on equity. Just can't relocate the other way.

    From Boulder, move to Durango or Boise or sumptin like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    There's gonna be a cascading effect. That's not a bad option though with cashing out on equity. Just can't relocate the other way.

    From Boulder, move to Durango or Boise or sumptin like that.
    I would be cashing out of secondary markets like Boulder, Portland, Charlotte, etc if my primary objective was ROI. The national housing market is being driven by a robust economy and very low interest rates. When the market corrects, and it always does, these secondary mortgage dependent markets will be hit much, much harder than primary markets like SF Bay Area, NYC, LA etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    I would be cashing out of secondary markets like Boulder, Portland, Charlotte, etc if my primary objective was ROI. The national housing market is being driven by a robust economy and very low interest rates. When the market corrects, and it always does, these secondary mortgage dependent markets will be hit much, much harder than primary markets like SF Bay Area, NYC, LA etc.
    Interesting that "Boulder, Portland, Charlotte, etc." are considered secondary markets.

    Boulder has Google, Medtronic, IBM, "tech" and just about every new startup with funding wants in. With a population of just over 100K, it's kind of like a mini San Jose in a way. I've seen more Tesla's, Maserati's, G-Class, and RR Sports in the last year than ever before, and it's not CO people because they all drive Audi's and Subaru's. It's the Silicon Valley of CO, not sure I see prices falling much. Now if you were thinking about selling a ski condo/house 90 minutes west though, TODAY is the time to list it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    Interesting that "Boulder, Portland, Charlotte, etc." are considered secondary markets.

    Boulder has Google, Medtronic, IBM, "tech" and just about every new startup with funding wants in. With a population of just over 100K, it's kind of like a mini San Jose in a way. I've seen more Tesla's, Maserati's, G-Class, and RR Sports in the last year than ever before, and it's not CO people because they all drive Audi's and Subaru's. It's the Silicon Valley of CO, not sure I see prices falling much. Now if you were thinking about selling a ski condo/house 90 minutes west though, TODAY is the time to list it.
    I'm biased because I own a fair amount of Bay Area real estate, I tend to buy/hold and never sell. But, I have seen this cycle now a couple of times. When the market turns down I will again be a buyer. Will be interesting to see what happens.

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    Re Reno Well they offered, I countered and they decided to pass?!?

    O well yíall going to be stuck behind me on the trails and highways for a little longer.


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    The Old Southwest is the best neighborhood in Reno. Iíve been here since the early 2000s and ride Peavine from my house, walk downtown for events at the river and due to the traffic patterns, commutes are easy. Itís more expensive than other areas of town and the homes are older (mine was built in 1938) but itís much better than the track homes.

    Galena is nice and closer to Tahoe but a little more removed from town and it gets windy. My mom lives in Verdi and complains about it being too far from Truckee (she moved from Glenshire) but also too far from town.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    Interesting that "Boulder, Portland, Charlotte, etc." are considered secondary markets.

    Boulder has Google, Medtronic, IBM, "tech" and just about every new startup with funding wants in. With a population of just over 100K, it's kind of like a mini San Jose in a way. I've seen more Tesla's, Maserati's, G-Class, and RR Sports in the last year than ever before, and it's not CO people because they all drive Audi's and Subaru's. It's the Silicon Valley of CO, not sure I see prices falling much. Now if you were thinking about selling a ski condo/house 90 minutes west though, TODAY is the time to list it.
    The max hit any residential real estate took in Boulder during the 2008-2011 period was about 15%, and some didn't fall at all. By 2011 things were back to 2008 for everyone, and of course things have gone crazy since then.

    There are no guarantees, but Boulder is a little island unto itself and I don't think there is any risk of the vast majority of Boulder city "low end" (under $800K or so) going into free fall. The towns around there might get hammered though. The really expensive real estate is its own little world anyway.

    Denver is going to be a mess. All those $500K condos being sold on 5% down are going to result in a wave of foreclosures, just like the last time. The exurbs north of Denver will go through the same pain as last time as well. Thousands upon thousands of foreclosures happened in Thorton, east Longmont, Frederick, Firestone, Dacono, etc. in the Great Recession. Also, closer in, I remember an article about Green Mountain Ranch in NE Denver having an almost 50% foreclosure rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Californiagrown View Post
    Its just shitty that a nurse/firefighter nuclear family are priced out of owning a starter home w/in 30 mins of their jobs. Ive been rooting for them to move away for a while now, but it would be tough for my BIL to leave such a lucrative FD and start from scratch somewhere else for pennies on the dollar.
    I've met/know of several FFs who live in the Foothills (EDH, LoP, etc.) and work for SFFD, Richmond Fire, etc. Would be shitty to miss out on kid times working/sleeping three days in a row, but the flipside is homeownership in nice areas.

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