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    Veggie Juice Fast: Bike friendly diet that works

    This last month, I was talked into participating in a food fast. Goal was 7 days living on nothing but veggie juice, tea, and water. I did a lot of research and found that this program is highly regarded as a way to detox the body while gaining significant benefits like weight loss and reducing blood pressure. I was fearful that I would be tired, grumpy, and most importantly, unable to ride my bike...I was wrong, wrong, wrong.

    So, I bought a kick ass little juicer and gave it a go because forecast called for lots of rain and job stresses were low. I jumped in and, as warned, the first three days were rough but manageable...mostly mental but also the cravings and habits were rough. In the first three days, the body goes through significant detoxification and until everything clears out, the internal organs want to play. After three days though, hunger subsided, energy was at an all time high, and it was easy sailing...so easy in fact that I decided to go an extra 3 days (10 total). The theory here (which I see as completely factual) is that digesting is a highly energy intensive process. When you aren't digesting, your body suddenly has an abundance of down time which it uses to heal, remove crappy stuff, and allocate the energy to other areas. The veggie juice supplies the system with all the nutrients so you don't wain or feel crummy. If anything, I had more energy and perk than I have had in decades. The best part was I was able to go to the gym frequently and got in numerous bike rides including a couple 2000+ foot climbs.

    The results: Lost close to 20 Lbs...mostly all of my beer belly. Took my blood pressure down from persistently high (doctor worried) to 120/77 which I believe is normal. I also came away with far less cravings for fat rich foods and more desire for healthy options. It has been almost 2 weeks since ending the fast and I am still sub 180 which is perfect for me. ( I was hitting mid 190s and growing)

    Anyhow, I can't recommend this program enough. My buddy is doing 30 days and is a long distant runner. Check out this movie if interested: Fat Sick and Nearly Dead | a Joe Cross Film

    My only regret was not following a pre-diet plan which consists of three days prepping the system for the change. I plan to do 2 a year. Anyone else out there try this?
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    That movie is on netflix streaming if anyone is wondering.
    I saw that movie and was considering doing it. The up front cost of purchasing a juicer and the fact that I was afraid I won't stick to it(thus wasting money on a juicer) is what prevented me from doing it. That and there is a part of me that thought the movie made it sound too good to be true.
    Thanks for sharing your experience...I'll have to give it some more thought about giving this a go. I'm not really that overweight but everything is pretty much concentrated on my gut. The fact that most of the weight you lost is on your gut is encouraging.

    So during this fast you were able to bike like normal(no food while riding?)

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    Very cool

    I'm extremely interested in doing this. Thoroughly inspired by your post.

    I've sucked at maintaining a healthy eating habit here lately and I've been exercising/running more on top of my riding just to maintain. I have ~20 lbs to go before I reach my 100 lb weight loss goal and I think this diet plan will help get me there. I like to make things extra difficult on myself so a juice fast during the holidays seems to be right up my alley lol. I already have the juicer too!

    Does the movie explain the 3 day prep? (I'm going to check it out on Netflix tonight)

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    Well, the juicer is pricy (I paid $170 for a nice one) but juicing alone is not a bad deal. I wasn't eating any veggies before (well some but far from a lot) so this thing has me in-taking all the veggie nutrients I need daily in an easy to administer fashion. I do a veggie drink every morning now just for health.

    I was totally able to ride but was hesitant to go anywhere deep in the woods. I stayed close to ensure that I didn't bonk and would be stuck in no man's land. It was probably moot though because I went on some sizable rides local and didn't bonk...I was a little more tired than usual those evenings but nothing too bad. I brought veggie juice with me on the rides which really helped.

    The movie is just a motivator...seemed ligit to me.

    By the way, my motivation here was for detox...the weight loss was a bonus.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    the movie is more like a documentary rather than a how-to. But there is a website where they give you the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtorlando25 View Post
    I'm extremely interested in doing this. Thoroughly inspired by your post.

    I've sucked at maintaining a healthy eating habit here lately and I've been exercising/running more on top of my riding just to maintain. I have ~20 lbs to go before I reach my 100 lb weight loss goal and I think this diet plan will help get me there. I like to make things extra difficult on myself so a juice fast during the holidays seems to be right up my alley lol. I already have the juicer too!

    Does the movie explain the 3 day prep? (I'm going to check it out on Netflix tonight)
    You may want to wait till after the holidays just because the parties you go to will make it really hard on you. No boozing or coffee or nicotine...it's a full on purge. It's an awesome adventure actually.

    Anyhow, I totally recommend reading this book first: The Fasting Diet by Steven Baily (The Fasting Diet: Steven Bailey: 9780658011450: Amazon.com: Books) It explains the prep but essentially you drink olive oil with garlic and lemon juice...this tricks your stomach into thinking a crap load on fatty food is on the way so produces lots of bile (which is bad stuff and contains a lot of toxins) you follow this shot with a bunch of raw veggies which essentially flushes the bile out so you don't suffer the 3 day detox as bad (you basically purged a ton of the stuff that makes you want to eat bad food). I don't think the movie explains this...hope this helped.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Thanks for the info. I've been curious about detoxing for a while now. I need too! I was thinking the same about waiting for the holidays to pass-at least Christmas. But this will give me time to prep for it. We have two vita mix blenders-I had one and my fiancé had one so now we have two and really never use either so hoping to start to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    You may want to wait till after the holidays just because the parties you go to will make it really hard on you. No boozing or coffee or nicotine...it's a full on purge. It's an awesome adventure actually.

    Anyhow, I totally recommend reading this book first: The Fasting Diet by Steven Baily (The Fasting Diet: Steven Bailey: 9780658011450: Amazon.com: Books) It explains the prep but essentially you drink olive oil with garlic and lemon juice...this tricks your stomach into thinking a crap load on fatty food is on the way so produces lots of bile (which is bad stuff and contains a lot of toxins) you follow this shot with a bunch of raw veggies which essentially flushes the bile out so you don't suffer the 3 day detox as bad (you basically purged a ton of the stuff that makes you want to eat bad food). I don't think the movie explains this...hope this helped.
    Great info. Thank you very much.

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    I am an octo-lavo vegetarian - but I converted for ethical reasons. I enjoy local farm eggs that are certified ethical (farms that I can visit and pet the grass fed chickens) and incidental dairy - but I don't drink milk or any of that. My wife is vegan.

    We have watched and read every article, documentary, diet, etc known to man. I swear - it is a bit much. The only criticism I have for the "juice" diet is sustainability.

    I think detoxing is fine for a few weeks or a month - but then what?

    My diet is not perfect, but it has worked and is sustainable. My weakness are sweets and cheese - but I have a health serving of fruits, vegetables, grain and protein. Every morning, I have a gigantic kale shake and eat kale throughout the day, with bananas and various in-season fruit. I eat ginger root and tomatos and avocados and whatever good, natural thing I can get a hold of.

    What has resulted was, over the past two years, a loss of 30lbs. AND and ridiculously strong immune system. I am out in public almost every night, shaking hands, grabbing door knobs and being exposed - and from getting intensely sick at least three times a year - I never get sick. And if I feel run-down... it only lasts for a day, tops. I am around sick children and adults... I don't use hand sanitizer or any of that snake oil.

    I don't have to take cold or flu medicines, etc. I don't get a flu shot and I'm never worried about being around sick people.

    I'm glad people are being more turned on to diet awareness - but I would highly recommend adopting something that is sustainable. Drinking juices is just not sustainable - and the results are great initially, but a lifestyle change needs to be implemented to gain full benefits.

    I took baby steps: first cutting out Fast Food, Chinese and Filipino food. Then meat, fish and poultry altogether. Then, milk and ice cream (although I have a scoop or two a year) and eating raw and superfoods daily. I don't drink alcohol, either.

    Like I said, my diet isn't perfect, but it is something that I can live with - I give myself "breathing room" except for meat - which I will not consume unless it's game meat. I will not eat any meat from a grocery store.

    I've tried these fasting diets and such, but always reverted back to my old ways until I completely changed my dietary lifestyle and my outlook on the ethical repercussions of industrial food.

    Thanks for sharing! It's a good start to reviewing your dietary habits. Most of us, including me once in awhile, eat like crap. BTW, if your spouse or S.O. ain't into it - it really makes a dietary lifestyle change really difficult... you both have to be into this or it's hard to keep it going.

    Sorry for being such a hippy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I am an octo-lavo vegetarian - but I converted for ethical reasons. I enjoy local farm eggs that are certified ethical (farms that I can visit and pet the grass fed chickens) and incidental dairy - but I don't drink milk or any of that. My wife is vegan.

    We have watched and read every article, documentary, diet, etc known to man. I swear - it is a bit much. The only criticism I have for the "juice" diet is sustainability.

    I think detoxing is fine for a few weeks or a month - but then what?

    My diet is not perfect, but it has worked and is sustainable. My weakness are sweets and cheese - but I have a health serving of fruits, vegetables, grain and protein. Every morning, I have a gigantic kale shake and eat kale throughout the day, with bananas and various in-season fruit. I eat ginger root and tomatos and avocados and whatever good, natural thing I can get a hold of.

    What has resulted was, over the past two years, a loss of 30lbs. AND and ridiculously strong immune system. I am out in public almost every night, shaking hands, grabbing door knobs and being exposed - and from getting intensely sick at least three times a year - I never get sick. And if I feel run-down... it only lasts for a day, tops. I am around sick children and adults... I don't use hand sanitizer or any of that snake oil.

    I don't have to take cold or flu medicines, etc. I don't get a flu shot and I'm never worried about being around sick people.

    I'm glad people are being more turned on to diet awareness - but I would highly recommend adopting something that is sustainable. Drinking juices is just not sustainable - and the results are great initially, but a lifestyle change needs to be implemented to gain full benefits.

    I took baby steps: first cutting out Fast Food, Chinese and Filipino food. Then meat, fish and poultry altogether. Then, milk and ice cream (although I have a scoop or two a year) and eating raw and superfoods daily. I don't drink alcohol, either.

    Like I said, my diet isn't perfect, but it is something that I can live with - I give myself "breathing room" except for meat - which I will not consume unless it's game meat. I will not eat any meat from a grocery store.

    I've tried these fasting diets and such, but always reverted back to my old ways until I completely changed my dietary lifestyle and my outlook on the ethical repercussions of industrial food.

    Thanks for sharing! It's a good start to reviewing your dietary habits. Most of us, including me once in awhile, eat like crap. BTW, if your spouse or S.O. ain't into it - it really makes a dietary lifestyle change really difficult... you both have to be into this or it's hard to keep it going.

    Sorry for being such a hippy

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    Thanks Dion...good stuff! I am also a vegetarian but eat seafood. I think you are dead on about changing which I think this starter diet lends itself to. What I like is that it breaks you off of bad habits and addictions so that when you come out, you actually feel like eating Kale or dried apricots instead if those damn Mint Girl Scout cookies. For ethical reasons, I too would like to start moving to a more vegan lifestyle (watching this movie was an eye opener: Vegucated: Amazon.com: Vegucated: T. Colin Campbell, Brian Flegel, Joel Fuhrman, Stephen Kaufman: Movies & TV)

    Anyhow, I too am sorry for being a hippy...just fired up about this program.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Thanks Dion...good stuff! I am also a vegetarian but eat seafood. I think you are dead on about changing which I think this starter diet lends itself to. What I like is that it breaks you off of bad habits and addictions so that when you come out, you actually feel like eating Kale or dried apricots instead if those damn Mint Girl Scout cookies. For ethical reasons, I too would like to start moving to a more vegan lifestyle (watching this movie was an eye opener: Vegucated: Amazon.com: Vegucated: T. Colin Campbell, Brian Flegel, Joel Fuhrman, Stephen Kaufman: Movies & TV)

    Anyhow, I too am sorry for being a hippy...just fired up about this program.
    Right on! It's awesome to see people re-think food.

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    I hate hippies! I hate vegetables too but probably why I'm fat. I totally agree with the hippie-this is just the first baby step. I had lost quite a bit of weight with riding, yoga and working out a few years ago. Diet was very important. BUT moving into a new house, remodel and our first son I've been reunited with some of my weight I lost. Bad habits have returned.
    I REFUSE to go back to the weight I was prior to all this. I notice how I've become so much slower riding, less flexible and just tired. Not to mention none of my hard earned Hugo Boss clothing no longer fits. When I lost the weight I was like Eddie Murphy-Spandex! Everything Spandex!!!
    Hoping to get leaner and faster next year. Don't need to be A group but B is nice-I'm just a weekend warrior. I think I'm F right now. Anyways good info and time for change. Probably be good to go get a check up as well.

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    You lost me at no beer.

    But seriously, interesting stuff from you and Dion. I've always been the tall, skinny dude with the ridiculous metabolism so "diets" have never been in my vocabulary but as I get closer to 40 I can see that my metabolism is starting to slow down just a bit. That combined with having a 3 year old/less riding/more stress has me interested in something like this for the first time ever. We eat pretty balanced for the most part. Farmers market blah, blah, blah, very little fast food and so on and so forth but I have been known to shove a burger in my face. Hmmm...what are the benefits of a "juicer" vs. just a blender? $170 seems like kind of a big experiment for a couple week experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    what are the benefits of a "juicer" vs. just a blender? $170 seems like kind of a big experiment for a couple week experiment.
    Welp, the purpose of the fast is to remove all fiber from the digestion process. By drinking all the nutrients and only the nutrients, your system can go to work healing and combating toxins and burning fat. The juicer allows you to digest ridiculous amounts of veggie nutrients since all the fiber is out of the picture. A blender just makes it easier to ingest more veggies that chewing and swallowing interferes with but you are still working hard to deal with the fiber in your belly so a totally different ball game.

    By the way, I included a couple table spoons of UDO's oil with my drinks to get some good fat. Made my drink taste better and my skin...nevermind.

    Also, yes, giving up beer is tough (so was coffee) but the real hurdle is accepting that enemas are somewhat part of this diet (though not necessary) if you want to feel good the whole time. Since no fiber is working it's way through the system, nothing is scrubbing the walls. Same goes for plaque on the teeth. Whoop, just lost everyone I am sure.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    You lost me at no beer.

    But seriously, interesting stuff from you and Dion. I've always been the tall, skinny dude with the ridiculous metabolism so "diets" have never been in my vocabulary but as I get closer to 40 I can see that my metabolism is starting to slow down just a bit. That combined with having a 3 year old/less riding/more stress has me interested in something like this for the first time ever. We eat pretty balanced for the most part. Farmers market blah, blah, blah, very little fast food and so on and so forth but I have been known to shove a burger in my face. Hmmm...what are the benefits of a "juicer" vs. just a blender? $170 seems like kind of a big experiment for a couple week experiment.
    Try this

    Get a bundle of kale - $2
    A bunch of bananas - $2
    High quality orange juice

    6-8 oz. of OJ
    4-5 de-stalked kale
    1 banana

    Blend it all up and drink this concoction everyday for two weeks. Eat your regular healthy diet. Obvious to not eat fast food, crap, etc.

    I have a juicer, but stopped using it. There are a TON of anti-oxidents and digestive aid in the leaves and pulp of plants. For fasting - sure. But for sustainability and health, the body needs large amounts of fiber. Sometimes I just eat a bowl of plain kale and spinach with raisins.

    I don't mean to "get gross" but there's what happened to me when I was juicing. Sharting occurred. Yep. Sharting. Just having the liquid didn't give me the "bulk" I needed for healthy solid poo's. Sure, I took a crap like everybody else, but without fiber, it was pure "liquid gold".



    When you use a blender, like the aforementioned VitaMix or BlendTec, you retain the essential fiber needed for a healthy digestive tract. Blendtec has a crazy Youtbe channel called "Will it Blend?" and they blend things like cell phones and stuff in their blenders.

    Try my recipe above. If you have an upset stomach or get an upset stomach in the morning, throw in a 1/4" of ginger. Ginger is a natural way to settle an upset stomach. Plus the anti-oxidents and anti-inflammatory properties are outstanding.

    You will notice extremely "healthy" bowel movements - to the point of where you think you're done, but things keep a' flowing. That was what I first noticed when I started drinking kale shakes every day. Now, I'm just regular, without the prolonged porcelain visits. But those initial morning poo's are a doozy and you ask yourself "where the hell did all that come from?". Logs will be soft, not hard like from eating meat - and "seeing green" will have a different meaning.

    Don't forget to flush between logs, because there will be a lot coming out of you.

    Sorry to get gross, but it's da' troof!

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    Funny sort of on topic story of a friend who tried one of these veggie juice diets. He was going to the bathroom a lot and lost a few pounds. After a trip to the doctor it turned out he had diarrhea and didn't realize it because he thought it was just veggie juice detox.

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    Great write up and congrats... it was interesting to follow your progress on FB as well. It sounds like the experiment was a success. I will probably give it a shot in 2013. Waiting for post Christmas sales on juicers.

    So what did you eat after the diet? Was it difficult to transition back to a solid food diet? Have you changed your overall diet since or are you back to normal (pre-juice) diet?

    Do you continue to juice in conjunction with solid foods now?

    How much time do you think it took each morning to prep your day's juice? Trying to figure out if I can do this w/ my work/ride schedule.

    So the next homebrew going to be a Carrot / Kale Double-IPA?

    No post-ride beer and morning espresso might be the hardest part of this for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ask View Post
    Great write up and congrats... it was interesting to follow your progress on FB as well. It sounds like the experiment was a success. I will probably give it a shot in 2013. Waiting for post Christmas sales on juicers.

    So what did you eat after the diet? Was it difficult to transition back to a solid food diet? Have you changed your overall diet since or are you back to normal (pre-juice) diet?

    Do you continue to juice in conjunction with solid foods now?

    How much time do you think it took each morning to prep your day's juice? Trying to figure out if I can do this w/ my work/ride schedule.

    So the next homebrew going to be a Carrot / Kale Double-IPA?

    No post-ride beer and morning espresso might be the hardest part of this for me.
    Right on man! So answers:
    Juicer: I really like my Breville RM-JE98XL...I got it refurbished on Amazon for $175...I am sure there are good ones much cheaper.

    After diet: I followed a very strict 6 day diet after the fast which consisted of lots of raw veggies, grains, and other foods that got introduced each day. Day 6 was all systems go in which I ate really shitty food which I had been craving (Fondue, beer, chips, etc) I found it to be sort of unsatisfying and now am eating just really good foods that work for me...fruit, veggies, non-processed stuff. I am juicing every morning now as part of a habit. I am definitely more attracted to healthy foods now which is cool!

    Morning prep is about 20 minutes. Clean up is really easy because its fiber not grease...just a rinse will do and it's easy. The hard part is finding space in your house for all the veggies and fruit. I brought in a mini fridge. I would stock up at farmers markets but ended up at Whole foods a couple times.

    I put the home brew kit in the attic...it was fun but I got really fat and lazy with all that beer around the house. Maybe next summer I'll whip up a brew or two. You are welcome to borrow the stuff if your into it.

    The best thing about the deprivation is that when you come out the end, the post ride beer will be 15x better tasting...everything tastes better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    I am still sub 180 which is perfect for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    I put the home brew kit in the attic...it was fun but I got really fat and lazy with all that beer around the house. Maybe next summer I'll whip up a brew or two. You are welcome to borrow the stuff if your into it.
    Thanks for the offer... but I got rid of my kegerator for the same reasons. Having a ton of good beer in the house that is going stale is a good way to get fat, lazy, and drunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Try this

    Get a bundle of kale - $2
    A bunch of bananas - $2
    High quality orange juice

    6-8 oz. of OJ
    4-5 de-stalked kale
    1 banana

    Blend it all up and drink this concoction everyday for two weeks. Eat your regular healthy diet. Obvious to not eat fast food, crap, etc.

    Try my recipe above. If you have an upset stomach or get an upset stomach in the morning, throw in a 1/4" of ginger. Ginger is a natural way to settle an upset stomach. Plus the anti-oxidents and anti-inflammatory properties are outstanding.

    Thanks Dion! I'm going to give this one a shot. I've already been focusing on cutting back on eating fast food and processed foods. Also upping the intake of fruits and vegetables, so this should help me out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbzarg View Post
    Thanks Dion! I'm going to give this one a shot. I've already been focusing on cutting back on eating fast food and processed foods. Also upping the intake of fruits and vegetables, so this should help me out.
    Your colon will love you for it!

    Literally, this is a "sweet" way in, without absolutely going full-on extreme. Mad props to squashyo for doing it and sticking to it, but a lot of us don't have that kind of discipline. Sometimes, we need a more gentler approach - and sweet, natural, healthy kale shakes are a good way to start.

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    “Detox”. The key here is to not put the toxins in your body in the first place. Fast food? No! Processed food? No! Organic free-range grass-fed tofu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    “Detox”. The key here is to not put the toxins in your body in the first place. Fast food? No! Processed food? No! Organic free-range grass-fed tofu.
    Id be worried when the soybeans start eating other plants, just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Try this

    Get a bundle of kale - $2
    A bunch of bananas - $2
    High quality orange juice

    6-8 oz. of OJ
    4-5 de-stalked kale
    1 banana

    Blend it all up and drink this concoction everyday for two weeks. Eat your regular healthy diet. Obvious to not eat fast food, crap, etc.
    Can you recommend a substitute for bananas? I'm allergic to bananas so a lot of the juice / smoothie recipes tend to be a problem.
    Interesting thread, thanks for the info. I overhauled my diet a few years ago and now get a good amount of fruits, veggies, and non-animal protein, but was feeling like shaking things up a bit. This would be a good detox after the hell-month of biz travel that will be this coming January.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWheels View Post
    Can you recommend a substitute for bananas? I'm allergic to bananas so a lot of the juice / smoothie recipes tend to be a problem.
    Interesting thread, thanks for the info. I overhauled my diet a few years ago and now get a good amount of fruits, veggies, and non-animal protein, but was feeling like shaking things up a bit. This would be a good detox after the hell-month of biz travel that will be this coming January.
    Kale is pretty bitter - so anything to "sweeten" it up will work. I've substituted blueberries, diced mangos, apricots, etc. Anything! It's like "a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go dowwwwwnnn..."

    I wouldn't recommend a KFC drumstick or leftover chow mein, though.

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    The more I ride, the less I want to put any laboratory engneered food/beverages in me. I have been drinking the purest R.O. water for over 2 years, Completely alchohol, nicotine, pharmacutical free (including aspirin). Did a lot of juicing the first year and detoxed completely. Maintain a 85-90% vegan diet and feel better than I ever have in my entire life. Kicking the refined sugar habit was the last step I needed. Tough one, but did it and lost the last 10 lbs. in doing so.

    One new trick I learned is the benefits of Pineapple for pain and swelling. It is the best anti-inflammatory ever. All my joint pain went away in a matter of 2-3 days by drinking a 8 oz glass twice a day, and has never returned. Do weekly maintenance now, and after epic rides or whenever I am sore.
    Remove the peal from a whole pineapple and juice everything. The enzyme Bromelain is found in the core in concentrated amounts, and is only found in pineapple that science has so far discovered to my knowledge.

    Start by cutting off the bottom and top, cut about 2" slices and then remove the skin. Slice into spears that will fit in the juicer. Add one or two apples with it to cut the flavor, I usually add an orange and sometime a few carrots. Makes about a half gallon, but you have to run the pulp through a few times to get all the juice out of the pineapple. A Champion Juicer works well for this.

    I am very curious to see if anyone tries this, as it has helped me live pain-free for over a year now.

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    ...it has helped me live pain-free for over a year now.
    That is awesome!

    What people don't realize is that food can be medicine or poison. Like I said earlier - I used to get sick very frequently, and really sick - like 105º temperatures... out for a week or more. I haven't gotten sick like that since I started this diet. I'll get ultimately hippy-dippy on people and reiterate what was told to me by a vegan cook:

    When you ingest meat, especially in the United States, you ingest torture, pain, fear, anguish and disease. The animal you eat died feeling all those things - and therefore, all of that negativity goes into your body and becomes part of you...
    Yeah, hippy-dippy... but I vibe with that, entirely.

    I love the "What about protein?" - Then I just say, "Look at me... do I look like I'm lacking protein?" By the way, the only time anybody has even been concerned about my protein intake was after I tell them I don't eat meat.

    People freak out when they find out I don't get a flu shot - I ask, what for? Haven't needed it in years!

    People are more concerned about putting WD-40 on their bike or 87 octane gas in their cars than the food they put in their bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarjohn21 View Post
    The more I ride, the less I want to put any laboratory engneered food/beverages in me. I have been drinking the purest R.O. water for over 2 years, Completely alchohol, nicotine, pharmacutical free (including aspirin). Did a lot of juicing the first year and detoxed completely. Maintain a 85-90% vegan diet and feel better than I ever have in my entire life. Kicking the refined sugar habit was the last step I needed. Tough one, but did it and lost the last 10 lbs. in doing so.

    One new trick I learned is the benefits of Pineapple for pain and swelling. It is the best anti-inflammatory ever. All my joint pain went away in a matter of 2-3 days by drinking a 8 oz glass twice a day, and has never returned. Do weekly maintenance now, and after epic rides or whenever I am sore.
    Remove the peal from a whole pineapple and juice everything. The enzyme Bromelain is found in the core in concentrated amounts, and is only found in pineapple that science has so far discovered to my knowledge.

    Start by cutting off the bottom and top, cut about 2" slices and then remove the skin. Slice into spears that will fit in the juicer. Add one or two apples with it to cut the flavor, I usually add an orange and sometime a few carrots. Makes about a half gallon, but you have to run the pulp through a few times to get all the juice out of the pineapple. A Champion Juicer works well for this.

    I am very curious to see if anyone tries this, as it has helped me live pain-free for over a year now.
    I am tempted to give this a try. Fresh pineapple always gives me a stomachache, for some weird unknown reason. Do you think canned juice would work?

    I have severe arthritis in one knee, am going to need a replacement someday but I'm putting it off as long as possible. Biking has helped it more than anything else (and losing 20+ lb) so far, except steroid injections- which seem like a bad idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post

    Literally, this is a "sweet" way in, without absolutely going full-on extreme. Mad props to squashyo for doing it and sticking to it, but a lot of us don't have that kind of discipline. Sometimes, we need a more gentler approach - and sweet, natural, healthy kale shakes are a good way to start.
    I think there is a misconception that this fast is "extreme" and requires "discipline". I thought going in that it would be like traversing the Serengeti but the reality is it was not hard at all! The first few days is a little tough as you are just so used to snacking that you need to find a way to be distracted but after the 3 days, nothing but energy and limited hunger. You just get fired up seeing the pounds shed (about 2lbs a day), the BP drop, and just feeling damn good. Slept incredibly well (I hadn't been sleeping great) and just had a sense of clarity that is hard to explain. I do admit that by day 10 I was getting sick of the juice but I could have easily kept going if not for a party coming up the following week.

    Anyhow, love the advice coming out of this beyond the fast topic. As luck would have it, I love pineapples and Kale is always in my fridge now...wooohoo.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    That is awesome!

    What people don't realize is that food can be medicine or poison. Like I said earlier - I used to get sick very frequently, and really sick - like 105º temperatures... out for a week or more. I haven't gotten sick like that since I started this diet. I'll get ultimately hippy-dippy on people and reiterate what was told to me by a vegan cook:



    Yeah, hippy-dippy... but I vibe with that, entirely.

    I love the "What about protein?" - Then I just say, "Look at me... do I look like I'm lacking protein?" By the way, the only time anybody has even been concerned about my protein intake was after I tell them I don't eat meat.

    People freak out when they find out I don't get a flu shot - I ask, what for? Haven't needed it in years!

    People are more concerned about putting WD-40 on their bike or 87 octane gas in their cars than the food they put in their bodies.
    Totally agree. The more you live this way, the easier it is to stay with it. All processed foods aren't even a thought anymore. I do eat cheese and eggs, chicken and turkey, but in very small amounts compared to what I used to do. I put 100% Whey protein Powder on my oat cereal in the morning and in a glass of milk after a long ride. Learned you can only absorb about 30-35grams of protein at a time, so any more is wasted. Red meat has 10g per oz, chicken and turkey about 8g per oz, and cheese has about 7g per oz. Its easy to get the protein you need.

    It really is easy once you stop the cravings for addictive, processed foods by not buying them in the first place.

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    The juicing process does something to it that makes it easier on the stomach. The apple helps a lot with this too. The problem with canned juice is it is usually pasteurized and the heat kills the enzymes that do the work. Also, canned is usually more acidic than fresh, in my experience.

    A homeopathic doctor told me once when I was about ten years old, " Don't drink juice fast, let it sit in your mouth before you swallow." Saliva is the pre-digestive enzyme your stomach needs to properly digest a concentrated food like fruit juice or even milk.

    I will say this: The cure for arthritis is Bromelain. This has been known for over 70 years in Germany. Give it a try. A pineapple costs about $4, and two a week is the most I have ever done.

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    a sense of clarity that is hard to explain...
    Absolutely!

    I'm no doctor, scientist, etc. but from my pea brain understanding of the human body - there are things that make us "run" better than others. Sometimes you need that shot of "N0S", like sugar or caffeine...

    But for the long drives a.k.a. daily living, nutritious foods make the machine just run a little better.

    Like I said, so many people spend so much time on maintenance of the machines we use, but take little effort in the upkeep of the machine we live in (our bodies).

    I also experienced that "snap" back to focus you are talking about. Even better now that I'm treating my sleep apnea, with my plant-base diet and real sleep, I feel like the organism my brain is stuck with until I die is running much better.

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    I'm gonna try! Dropping the alcohol is a hard one for me though. Not so sure how successful I'll be on that part if it-not as much a beer drinker as I am hard alcohol-probabaly worse. I like my kettle one and red bulk on weekends.
    I've read that it's better to eat frequently and small portions and stay under a set amount if calories. Frequent eating keeps the metabolism going. Also read drinking cold water is better than warm since again your metabolism needs to work harder to warm the water.

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    Food! Its awesome!

    Late May of this 2012 I found my self at a bit of a crossroads regarding food and my dietary choices. I was having more and more problems digesting red meat, lean meats like chicken and pork and was pretty frequently feeling very bad, "spacey", having major gastrointestinal tract problems and having a very "food coma" feeling after most meals that had meat or were cooked with large amounts of animal fats or byproducts. When the start of 2012 was rolling around, my digestive issues were starting to go from bad to worse, I had been eating much less in the way of red meats over the past few years and mostly eating lean meats and fish. Back in 2006 I cut out eating at fast food restaurants almost completely.
    I was still having problems and it was getting worse.


    At that point I decided that I would try a ovo-lacto vegetarian diet for six weeks to see how it affected me. So far... it has worked out very well. Six months later, it has become a full diet change and a fairly large lifestyle change and a very large perception shift in how I see, think and deal with foods and the oh so precious intake of calories. I've spend much more time thinking and planning out meals, as well as just spending more time cooking.

    It has been great.
    I've had a bit more energy, I've felt a lot snappier after meals and I have had good success with reducing that middle of the afternoon I feel like crap blood sugar crashing that was a major issue for me come around 2 in the afternoon. A big part of it is not eating like crap anymore, but also what I am eating is playing a role is how my body is dealing with food and eating more foods that are not as energy intensive to digest. Shortly after my son was born I was up around 225, getting some time back after the kiddo was born and stuff helped get that back to 215-220 or so, but I hung out in that range for about a year, in may was when is started to see some changes there.
    After trying out this vegetarian silliness for six weeks, I was down to about 210 and make the choice to stick with it as there was a huge increase in energy. Here we are back in the middle of December and I'm back down to ~200lbs. Of course, during this I have been running and riding, but not as much as I'd like. My dietary changes have very much been for the better for running and cycling, for me at any rate. For me, personally, if I'm going to do more weight wise I will have to get the activity levels back up and then cut out beer. Beer... So delicious, but I have to cut it down majorly to get anymore progress. However, as I will be buying a SS mtb soon, I can't cut out beer totally...

    With what started out as an experiment in my diet turned out into a great lifestyle change and a total and very positive change in my perception of food and nutrition.

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    Try this

    Get a bundle of kale - $2
    A bunch of bananas - $2
    High quality orange juice

    6-8 oz. of OJ
    4-5 de-stalked kale
    1 banana

    Blend it all up and drink this concoction everyday for two weeks. Eat your regular healthy diet. Obvious to not eat fast food, crap, etc.
    I tend to add lemon and ginger in there to hide a bit more of the kale flavor.

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    I'm gonna try! Dropping the alcohol is a hard one for me though. Not so sure how successful I'll be on that part if it-not as much a beer drinker as I am hard alcohol-probabaly worse. I like my kettle one and red bulk on weekends.
    I've read that it's better to eat frequently and small portions and stay under a set amount if calories. Frequent eating keeps the metabolism going. Also read drinking cold water is better than warm since again your metabolism needs to work harder to warm the water.
    Alcohol, even in small quantities, debilitates the body and mind. Most of us started drinking when we were young because of one reason or another. After 10, 20, or 30 years, it's now just a bad habit. The cumulative effects on the entire body are just as bad as a smoker and the condition of his lungs after the same amount of time. I could go on and on, but.....

    Bottom line, I wanted to be able to ride for the rest of my life. The only way was to change......Everything!

    I feel so good these days. I sleep better than ever. I never have heartburn. I stated earlier about my diet, and the only improvement would be to go completely organic. I always buy the best quality I can find or afford. I eat fresh fruit everyday and go shopping for it every day or two. It's just part of my life now, and yes, you can eat small amounts all day long and not gain weight if you are active everyday.
    I try to ride as much as possible. An elevated heart rate for 45min to and hour is the minumum per day, and if I miss a day or two, I do a 3 hour ride the next.

    I wish you luck on your decision. Its a big one, and well worth it!

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    Heading down the path here...

    A month or two ago due to some fun activity in my life, I stepped back and took a look at diet and the like. Certain stresses (mmm...work) were causing me to be more sedentary and drink more beer/wine than I should be (mmm...beer). Aside from beer/wine, my day to day diet isn't too horrible (at least calorie-wise).

    I opted for smoothies in the morning. Some combination of:

    banana
    kale
    celery
    nut butter (almond, usually)
    pine apple
    ginger
    lemon
    strawberries
    apples
    (and orange or apple juice)

    Cut back down to no more than two beers or glasses of wine (leaning more wine than beer at the moment).

    Without any other dietary changes and a slight decrease in physical activity (due to rain), about 8lb came off and has settled having lost 6lb. Next step is to get my sorry backside out to the gym / on the trainer / or yoga on a daily basis. That should help move things along.

    The fast sounds interesting, mainly as it would be interesting to see the effect on the beer belly. And a week without beer, while an eternity, may be doable.

    Squashyo - what were you eating while on your rides? Or did you stick to shorter rides?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    Heading down the path here...



    Squashyo - what were you eating while on your rides? Or did you stick to shorter rides?
    So, I wasn't eating for 10 days...period
    On my rides I filled a water bottle with veggie juice and a camel pack full of water (water is key to this diet). I rode my local LG trails so I could get home if things went south...never went south, I had energy to ride semi long distances but I didn't push it. Weather was crappy anyhow and I started a new job so had to look busy.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    I have done variations of this when I was younger, running marathons, triathlons etc. at a skinny 150lbs. Then I got older, got married, had a kid and eventually went from a fit, active 160 (5'8") to a steady weight of 185. I then did my own 'detox' version which was no junk for a week, then a 3 day liquid diet that consisted of Organic Vegetable Juices, Teas, and some organic fruit juices for dessert (and a lot of water). After the three days I went on a two week "Super Foods" diet that involved a lot of vegetable stir fry meals (broccoli, cauliflower, onions, spinach, tomatoes, mushroom, peppers, brown rice, olive oil), almonds, walnuts, berries, and other fruits, with the occasional piece of dark chocolate, but sticking with fruit juice or popsicles for dessert.
    This set the stage for a nice lifestyle change that saw me loose a solid 20 lbs and fluctuate between the low-mid 160's. Of course a number of years later, another kid, a knee injury and two torn calf muscles later along with a move across country, I found myself back up to the mid 180's.
    So now I find I am starting again. I know what needs to be done and I know I can do it (my wife is super fit n' healthy and would be a vegetarian if it weren't for me), so I have already started the process.
    This time I am upping my exercise from riding 1x-2x's a week to adding the trainer or Insanity workouts for a 5x week regiment. I am currently in the process of going two weeks without junkfood or junk in general and have already lost 5 solid lbs in two weeks. I will be sensible for the X-mas feast and begin the detox right after X-mas (not January 1st, too cliche'). I will follow a similar plan as above and my wife is psyched for the super foods part, as that is how she eats anyway. I will update my progress (or regression) at a later date as I try to get back to being just an S.O.B. rider, and not a 'Fat' S.O.B. rider.
    I appreciate your inspirational post...misery likes company so it is good to know other riders are doing the same things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.O.B. View Post
    I have done variations of this when I was younger, running marathons, triathlons etc. at a skinny 150lbs. Then I got older, got married, had a kid and eventually went from a fit, active 160 (5'8") to a steady weight of 185. I then did my own 'detox' version which was no junk for a week, then a 3 day liquid diet that consisted of Organic Vegetable Juices, Teas, and some organic fruit juices for dessert (and a lot of water). After the three days I went on a two week "Super Foods" diet that involved a lot of vegetable stir fry meals (broccoli, cauliflower, onions, spinach, tomatoes, mushroom, peppers, brown rice, olive oil), almonds, walnuts, berries, and other fruits, with the occasional piece of dark chocolate, but sticking with fruit juice or popsicles for dessert.
    This set the stage for a nice lifestyle change that saw me loose a solid 20 lbs and fluctuate between the low-mid 160's. Of course a number of years later, another kid, a knee injury and two torn calf muscles later along with a move across country, I found myself back up to the mid 180's.
    So now I find I am starting again. I know what needs to be done and I know I can do it (my wife is super fit n' healthy and would be a vegetarian if it weren't for me), so I have already started the process.
    This time I am upping my exercise from riding 1x-2x's a week to adding the trainer or Insanity workouts for a 5x week regiment. I am currently in the process of going two weeks without junkfood or junk in general and have already lost 5 solid lbs in two weeks. I will be sensible for the X-mas feast and begin the detox right after X-mas (not January 1st, too cliche'). I will follow a similar plan as above and my wife is psyched for the super foods part, as that is how she eats anyway. I will update my progress (or regression) at a later date as I try to get back to being just an S.O.B. rider, and not a 'Fat' S.O.B. rider.
    I appreciate your inspirational post...misery likes company so it is good to know other riders are doing the same things.
    James
    Dude, that sounds awesome! Definitely keep us posted. The super food part does sound pretty dang good. I hope you mean to make your own juices as I am told pre-made stuff or anything shelved over a day loses its nutritional make up.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Dude, that sounds awesome! Definitely keep us posted. The super food part does sound pretty dang good. I hope you mean to make your own juices as I am told pre-made stuff or anything shelved over a day loses its nutritional make up.
    Ha, that clearly explains why I was feeling 'low energy' during my 3 days of juicing and you were not.
    Unfortunately a juicer is not in the budget (spent too much on bike stuff already). After a quick internet search of reliable info, I found it is indeed true that fruits and veggies start loosing their nutrition within hours of being harvested, then more so when cut and juiced in factories. Then by the time they make it to the store shelves, in clear plastic or glass containers, they have lost most of the nutrition they started with. I may need to rework my planned strategy and mix organic fruit/vegetable juices with a lunch of organic raw fruits and veggies as an alternative or??? Thanks for the heads up.
    I will let you know what I come up with.
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    Nice going Squash!!! I saw that movie about 6 months ago and have wanted to try it. I am about 10lbs heavier now than I was last winter. I attribute that to eating whatever I please and a reduction in riding. Work schedule has really killed it this year. Anyway, I am on board for trying this as I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. I mean what is the harm really? More time on the toilet just leads to more reading! Super impressed you did this and to all of you others that have done it. I am at 165 right now and looking to get to 120. Kidding!
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    My wife was diagnosed with breast cancer in Sept 2010. She has gone through surgery, chemo, radition etc. Cancer free now, but the experience has left her concerned about recurance.

    She introduced me to Fat, Sick and Nearly dead about October 2011. At the time I was at an good weight 5'7" and 155 (gained I little due bad eating and stress of her treatments, but was already exercising to lose it), did not need to do anything, but we both decided to give juicing a try. We borrowed a friends cheap juicer and found it was not that bad. So we got our own Brevelle juicer. Since then we have been juicing every day. We have never done a juice fast, but have replaced morning coffee with juice. We also have been adding more fresh vegetables to our diet. I was horrible and did not each much green veggies.

    So now ever day I have about 400-500 ml of fresh juice. I can tell when I don't have it as it gives me a nice energy boost and keep both out bowel movements regular. My wife was horrible for not being regular and the juice really helps. We notice if we miss a day.

    As for me.. I have more energy and about the same time got back in Mtn biking after a long break. I am more fit and my weight is not 153lbs. Not much different from before, but that is a lot more lean muscle than fat. Also I noticed this last year and also this year. I rarely get sick. Colds/Flu etc... I always would catch one here and there over the season and a few a tough days. I also have a 6 year old at home and parents know what little germ carriers they are. However since juicing I rearly get sick and when I do it much less intense and shorter duration.

    Overall it was a nice addition to my personal health.

    For those are interested here is my juice recipe

    - Kale - Handfull complete with stems
    - Spinach - Handfull complete with stems
    - 4 stalks of Celery - I use these to wrap the kale/spinach for best juicing in the machine
    - 1 small stalk of broccoli (crown and stem)
    - 2 carrots
    - 1 large cucumber
    -1 Granny Smith apple.

    This makes about 800 to 1000ml of juice depending the actual size of veggies used. My wife and I share this each day.

    One more thing.. Juicing and riding. Most morning ride prep (even summer 5am starts) go like this. Drink Juice (15-20 min), eat orange or greek yogurt, take crap (juice helps things move), go riding about 1 hour after I start. I can ride on this for 2-3 hrs and do just fine.
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    For some of the people that are on the fence about a full on veggie juice fast, just try going into it with a meat free week or even just one day a week that you consciously remove meat from your diet. Meat free Mondays are popular for folks just starting out the idea of a vegetarian diet.

    I've noticed that my road bike speeds go up on average 1-2mph on the weeks that I ditch meat. And this is still eating full meals not just juicing everything.

    The strongest animals in nature are vegetarian so it's ironic that humans focus on the need to consume meat to get stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Your colon will love you for it!

    Literally, this is a "sweet" way in, without absolutely going full-on extreme. Mad props to squashyo for doing it and sticking to it, but a lot of us don't have that kind of discipline. Sometimes, we need a more gentler approach - and sweet, natural, healthy kale shakes are a good way to start.
    Well, having my first cup for breakfast. Not too bad.

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    How come Squashyo always has the best posts?

    You have any photos? References? I know you too some video.

    This can be a good and timely mtbr article if someone can compile the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    How come Squashyo always has the best posts?

    You have any photos? References? I know you too some video.

    This can be a good and timely mtbr article if someone can compile the info.

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    Squashyo has good posts every so often because he hates working.

    I didn't take any video but I have some photos of vegetables. I took. I wish I had logged a journal. One thing that you could do is recruit a few people who want to try it and have them log a daily MTBR journal on their adventure with photos and video...that would be pretty cool. Kind of like an MTBR reality show with mountain biking and such. They could let us know about health improvements, riding while fasting, outcome...you get it.

    As for crapping, I had real poo. A very tiny bit everyday. I did a coffee enema that was quite awakening.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Too many stem haters in here. Don’t scoff at the free fiber. Eat it boy, it’s good for you! I made some sakuma wiki for dinner two nights ago, collard greens + kale + Swiss chard + onions + tomatoes + garlic + Mchuzi Mix + everyone’s favourite—BEEF!!! It’s no wonder my wife’s grandmother lived to be 115 years old in a third-world country without modern medicine (all the while at 8,500 feet altitude!!!)—it’s the GREENS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Too many stem haters in here. Don’t scoff at the free fiber. Eat it boy, it’s good for you! I made some sakuma wiki for dinner two nights ago, collard greens + kale + Swiss chard + onions + tomatoes + garlic + Mchuzi Mix + everyone’s favourite—BEEF!!! It’s no wonder my wife’s grandmother lived to be 115 years old in a third-world country without modern medicine (all the while at 8,500 feet altitude!!!)—it’s the GREENS!
    Umm, I don't see any "stem haters" or whatever in here but yeah I agree. I will also add that Collards, Kale, Chard etc. are all in season right now and are usually grown year round (for the most part) here in the Monterey Bay area. Not to get preachy, but if you are lucky enough to have a local farmers market near by, use it and support local farmers. Often times the produce quality is better and cheaper. Steps off soap box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    Umm, I don't see any "stem haters" or whatever in here but yeah I agree. I will also add that Collards, Kale, Chard etc. are all in season right now and are usually grown year round (for the most part) here in the Monterey Bay area. Not to get preachy, but if you are lucky enough to have a local farmers market near by, use it and support local farmers. Often times the produce quality is better and cheaper. Steps off soap box.
    We’ve got a weekly organic produce delivery service (Farm Fresh to You), but they’re in Capay—central valley—so not exactly “local” but also it’s not like they’re trucking it in from Southern California. Got some kale last and chard last week, complemented it with the collards from Whole Paycheck.
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    How do carnitas do in a juicer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan G. View Post
    How do carnitas do in a juicer?
    Finally a voice of reason! I was going to ask whether adding bacon into the juicer mix was acceptable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan G. View Post
    How do carnitas do in a juicer?
    Mmm. Not so good.

    Chorizo, egg and toast for me this morning. I should be banned from this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan G. View Post
    How do carnitas do in a juicer?
    You can try this shake:

    8oz of carnitas
    1 cube of butter
    1 KFC chicken thigh (bone in)
    1/2 stick of baker's chocolate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    You can try this shake:

    8oz of carnitas
    1 cube of butter
    1 KFC chicken thigh (bone in)
    1/2 stick of baker's chocolate
    2 coops of favorite ice cream
    4 tbs. of salt
    Chocolate syrup to taste
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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    GoPro hooked up to the toilet under the lid?

    It'd be as ugly as CHUMs riding.
    Gives new meaning to the word GoPro!

    Seriously, this is a great thread and is giving me some healthy ideas.
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    Dont you know that after 3 meat violations you get stripped of your vegan superpowers?
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    I know some of y'all are being downright hilarious (I know this because I used to be a seriously ****ing funny mother****er) but, and apologies for sounding like a tool, if you took a sincere and honest look at where your meat comes from, you'd likely find it a challenge to choke down that garbage. Now excuse me while I go fill up my natural gas Honda and smell my own fart.
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    Way to go Squashyo! The Fat Sick and Nearly Dead film was very inspiring. I had no idea there were so many health nuts here, hiding out amongst the proud omnivores. I guess there comes a time when we have to finally pay the piper for our indulgent lifestyles. For sure, I really do need to do a cleanse, (it has been years since I did a 7 day juice fast). I need to cut out the alcohol. And the coffee.... at least for a time. But after the holidays. My friends who do cleanses regularly recommend transitioning slowly out of them. Don't just go straight to beer and pizza.
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    I am going to try the juice and beer diet. I will let you all know the results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Gives new meaning to the word GoPro!

    Seriously, this is a great thread and is giving me some healthy ideas.
    I'm just thinking we should get there before the Pinkbike crowd. They will just take the idea to a whole other level.

    (Agreed, great thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    I will also add that Collards, Kale, Chard etc. are all in season right now and are usually grown year round (for the most part) here in the Monterey Bay area.
    And go great with olive oil (or butter), garlic, and bacon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    No lard? Rookie.
    Lard has been proven to be an anti-oxident. I like to add it when I feel like I'm coming down with a cold.

    Also, raw ground beef is good in the shake I mentioned above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky View Post
    I am going to try the juice and beer diet. I will let you all know the results.
    No joke.
    I've been on this diet for a while. Never felt better. The trick though is to age the juice for an year and only consume in beer-juice order. Never in reverse. For those who like juice consumed raw, Simply Naked makes just that. Raw juice and zero wood. (Not to mistake with Naked Grape, which is just regular juice despite the name.)
    Mix it with times a week of detox shots after dinner to make it Churchill-Tesla diet who both lived long life.

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    Step one- mission accomplished. I found a friend with a juicer she isn't using, will be in my possessiontomorrow. I can run a trial before spending the bucks on an appliance I might not use.

    Now I need to decide if I'm in for the pineapple juice experiment or going all the way and do a juice fast. I've had a couple of colonoscopies and I find the clear liquid diet prep easy to follow, in fact I feel extra good. I can't imagine juicing would be much harder.

    I would be up for participating in a group experiment, if you find some other open minded peeps. I'm not from California, but we have veggies and such up in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    I know some of y'all are being downright hilarious (I know this because I used to be a seriously ****ing funny mother****er) but, and apologies for sounding like a tool, if you took a sincere and honest look at where your meat comes from, you'd likely find it a challenge to choke down that garbage. Now excuse me while I go fill up my natural gas Honda and smell my own fart.
    My father spent 32 years as a meat inspector with the USDA. I visited him at slaughterhouses a couple times. No issues with where the meat I eat comes from. My sister checked it out once. She went vegetarian after that visit but it only last a couple weeks. The slaughtering isn't the disturbing part to me. It's how fast it happens and how little time is actually spent inspecting. And the managers hinting that the inspectors should look the other way sometimes.

    How does commercial vegetable juices like V8 compare to the stuff you guys make in your juicers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky View Post
    I am going to try the juice and beer diet. I will let you all know the results.
    No joke.
    Be prepared to get extra **** faced...
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    V8, even the low-sodium version, has a fair amount of sodium and although I personally like the taste of it, I don't have it hardly ever. Anything you can juice fresh and consume on the spot is going to have the maximum benefit.

    The thread is interesting, and I agree with much of it. At home, my wife and I tend to have a pretty balanced diet. We're not vegan or vegetarian, but we eat and cook sensibly and eat salads and vegetables daily, as much organic as possible. A few years ago we bought a Champion juicer and juice pretty regularly. We juice carrots, apples, ginger, kale, italian parsley, oranges, grapefruit, spinach, and cucumber. Consider adding cucumber to your juicing also as it helps balance out the PH of the juice. In general, our bodies can become more acidic than they should be as a result of many things - diet (too many processed and acidic foods) and not enough hydration and of course the usual suspects (coffee, alcohol, etc. - two of my favorite things!). Cucumber is great to boost alkalinity and so are various types of greens (dandelion, chard, collard, mustard) and broccoli, romaine lettuce, Brussels sprouts, root vegetables, and much. Research it, boosting your alkalinity is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gddyap View Post
    My father spent 32 years as a meat inspector with the USDA. I visited him at slaughterhouses a couple times. No issues with where the meat I eat comes from. My sister checked it out once. She went vegetarian after that visit but it only last a couple weeks. The slaughtering isn't the disturbing part to me. It's how fast it happens and how little time is actually spent inspecting. And the managers hinting that the inspectors should look the other way sometimes.

    How does commercial vegetable juices like V8 compare to the stuff you guys make in your juicers?
    I've just seen a few movies that made me ill...probably not the best source for my information but sticks with me all the same.

    V8 is very high in sodium so probably not the best...they do make a low sodium brand but from what I have read, veggie juice of any variety will lose nutritional shelf life quickly so my hunch is that by the time your get it, the good stuff has mostly died or a lot of it anyhow. Also, I don't know if they include fiber which would be anti-productive for this type of fast. Again, only from my research but seems to be noted in various sources.

    For those of you folks trying veggie juicing at home, get a strainer to filter out the pulpy stuff. That pulp will line your intestines if you are not eating fiber and will make absorption of the water and nutrients harder for your body to intake (thus the idea of using enemas). The strainer will also make the juice taste better I think...the cloudy drinks seemed a little gamey to me.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PixieChik View Post
    Step one- mission accomplished. I found a friend with a juicer she isn't using, will be in my possessiontomorrow. I can run a trial before spending the bucks on an appliance I might not use.

    Now I need to decide if I'm in for the pineapple juice experiment or going all the way and do a juice fast. I've had a couple of colonoscopies and I find the clear liquid diet prep easy to follow, in fact I feel extra good. I can't imagine juicing would be much harder.

    I would be up for participating in a group experiment, if you find some other open minded peeps. I'm not from California, but we have veggies and such up in here.
    Awesome! Stoked to hear about how it goes. If you wait till July, I'll join ya but that's when I plan to do it again. If you do decide to go full juice fast (it's really quite easy and a crazy little adventure) I seriously recommend that you pick up this book at the library or on Amazon. It is a fantastic guide for how to do this right: The Fasting Diet by Steven Baily (The Fasting Diet: Steven Bailey: 9780658011450: Amazon.com: Books) I wish i had followed the pre-diet prep...probably would have had an easier time with the first three days and would've lost a couple more pounds. Your also going to need lots of room for all the veggies you'll need on hand...Tons of carrots, celery, Kale, Cucumber, and Beats...everything else is just frosting on the cake and spices things up. I added a lot of garlic from time to time and experimented with a wide range of veggies and a little fruit here and there. The ginger was cool too. For the beats, peel the skin with a peeler as I am told the skin can be bitter.

    Anyhow, good luck with whatever you choose.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Oh, that's another benefit of the old standby Champion Juicer, it sends all the pulp one way and all the juice another (into the cup).

    Oh and I forgot to mention a major component of our juicing routine, it's very healthy, alkaline and will keep you super regular - red beets. Use sparingly, if you buy in bulk at the store, pick out all the beets that are up to 2" diameter and use one per juicing...

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    Great thread!

    My wife and I have been doing vegetable / fruit juice for breakfast 5 to 7 days a weeks for over a year now. I have yet to do a juice fast, but I am planning on giving it a go very soon. It weird that a 20oz glass of Carrot, Kale & green apple fills me up until lunch.

    On the subject of juicers, started out with a cheap juicer ($50) just to try it out. It sucked and we upgraded to what we thought was a very good Breville Juicer for about ($175). It worked much better than the first cheap juicer but the pulp was still pretty wet with a lot of juice left in it. I would sometimes squeeze the pulp in cheese cloth and get an extra 1/2 cup of juice. This lead me to start looking for a new juicer that would perform better. After a bunch of research we ended up getting an Omega Vert Juicer. It was very pricey but performs so much better than the Breville. The pulp is almost bone dry and the machine is much easier to clean. The juice also looks better, not merky and cloudy like what came out of the Breville juicer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Mailloux View Post
    Great thread!

    My wife and I have been doing vegetable / fruit juice for breakfast 5 to 7 days a weeks for over a year now. I have yet to do a juice fast, but I am planning on giving it a go very soon. It weird that a 20oz glass of Carrot, Kale & green apple fills me up until lunch.

    On the subject of juicers, started out with a cheap juicer ($50) just to try it out. It sucked and we upgraded to what we thought was a very good Breville Juicer for about ($175). It worked much better than the first cheap juicer but the pulp was still pretty wet with a lot of juice left in it. I would sometimes squeeze the pulp in cheese cloth and get an extra 1/2 cup of juice. This lead me to start looking for a new juicer that would perform better. After a bunch of research we ended up getting an Omega Vert Juicer. It was very pricey but performs so much better than the Breville. The pulp is almost bone dry and the machine is much easier to clean. The juice also looks better, not merky and cloudy like what came out of the Breville juicer.
    Thanks a lot Tim! Anyone want to buy my Breville? I'll sell her cheap.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Thanks a lot Tim! Anyone want to buy my Breville? I'll sell her cheap.
    No problem. We ended up getting a great deal on the Omega Vert Juicer at Bed Bath and Beyond. It was about $350 and we had a 20% off coupon that was in the Sunday news paper. Several times a year you can find these 20% off BB&B coupons around.

    BTW - the Omega juicer has a 10 year warranty and is built like a tank.

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    Awesome thread....

    If you can afford it, go to a cold pressed juicer, 10 times better juice health wise and taste wise... Seriously, if you have a juice from a cold pressed juicer, you will not go back to a typical juicer....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe View Post
    Awesome thread....

    If you can afford it, go to a cold pressed juicer, 10 times better juice health wise and taste wise... Seriously, if you have a juice from a cold pressed juicer, you will not go back to a typical juicer....
    Never heard about cold pressed juicers but that I read about them they seem to be the better choice.
    I had a Champion before and while it was great it had the disadvantages of a centrifugal juicer compared with a Masticating Juicer.
    Right now I just use a cheap one but I am going to get me a good one soon
    and while I am not getting a $1k plus one I am going to spend a couple of hundret dollars.

    Whafe do you have some recommadations regarding a cold pressed jucier?

    Right now my first pick would be a Omega model, not sure which one yet but that seems to be a good choice.

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    Dr Norman Walker is the inventor of modern juicing. His Norwalk juicer is the most expensive and efficient juicer I have seen, It is a small hydraulic press that gets every last drop of juice out of the pulp. His book "Fresh fruit and Vegetable Juices" is very interesting too, especially since it was written in 1936. I read it about 25 years ago when my mother got cancer and was given 6 months to live. I got got her juicing.and she beat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gddyap View Post
    How does commercial vegetable juices like V8 compare to the stuff you guys make in your juicers?
    What I make from my juicer is 100% my own. No artificial anything. When I can't juice I will buy the green juice in bottle by Naked or Odwalla. They are fine in a pinch, but they have so many ingredients. I know what is my juice when I make it. Plus I can tweak the taste by changing the ratios a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Try this

    Get a bundle of kale - $2
    A bunch of bananas - $2
    High quality orange juice

    6-8 oz. of OJ
    4-5 de-stalked kale
    1 banana

    Blend it all up and drink this concoction everyday for two weeks. Eat your regular healthy diet. Obvious to not eat fast food, crap, etc.
    I like to have one of these for breakfast, gets the day started off right.

    I would modify the recipe if you are just getting started with these. Kale shakes can seem kind of gritty. Start with spinach, then gradually add in some Kale. Also, make them as COLD as possible.

    Here's my recipe
    1-handfulSpinach
    1-frozen banana (I buy, peel and freeze them. Helps make the drink as cold as possible. Banana also helps smooth out the smoothie and make it less gritty)
    4-8 - frozen strawberries
    handful of frozen blueberries or mixed berries
    1.5 - cups of water (Orange juice would make it taste better, but I rarely have it)
    It's basically a Jamba Juice with some greens thrown in. For the skeptics, you can barely taste the greens.
    The best part is it's a light meal and you will never feel bogged down or lethargic after having one.

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    I just told my significant over about this and she told me shed been giving me Kale in my turkey sandwiches! I've been drinking more water and refrained from alcohol since Monday and just this had made me feel a lil better.
    After the holidays I'm going to dust off the fancy Margarita blender/vita mix and try a detox followed by some sort of change in diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gddyap View Post
    My father spent 32 years as a meat inspector with the USDA. I visited him at slaughterhouses a couple times. No issues with where the meat I eat comes from. My sister checked it out once. She went vegetarian after that visit but it only last a couple weeks. The slaughtering isn't the disturbing part to me. It's how fast it happens and how little time is actually spent inspecting. And the managers hinting that the inspectors should look the other way sometimes.

    How does commercial vegetable juices like V8 compare to the stuff you guys make in your juicers?
    Commercial meat is outright disgusting. It's dirty and cruel. They may get slaughtered quickly, but the lives up to that point are awful. It sucks because the industry employs a lot of people.

    We have ZERO relationship with our food these days. What we see as meat comes partially rotting in plastic wrap and styrofoam (or worse... a $1 Meal) - so there is a complete disconnect from the origins of our food.

    This is why I respect hunting over the commercial meat industry. People see hunting as cruel, but the meat industry is WAY more cruel, IMO.

    Now, I will also climb into my Prius with a COEXIST bumper sticker, a yoga mat, and listen to Enya. Or Yanni. Or Yennya (A hybrid of Yanni and Enya).

    I think the thing about V-8 and those types of juices is the sugar, salt and preservatives. They add that stuff since they are selling it commercially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelson34 View Post
    I just told my significant over about this and she told me shed been giving me Kale in my turkey sandwiches! I've been drinking more water and refrained from alcohol since Monday and just this had made me feel a lil better.
    After the holidays I'm going to dust off the fancy Margarita blender/vita mix and try a detox followed by some sort of change in diet.
    Now, lose the turkey and switch to avocado and red tomatoes, homie.

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    So, I am going to make the big leap and get a Masticating Juicer (Cold Press). In order to do this, I need to off load my current new juicer. It's top of the line for Centrifuge and works like a champ. I got Breville-RM-JE98XL-Certified-Remanufactured-Extractor 850w dual speed. One of the highest rated juicers in this category. Super easy to operate and clean.

    Paid $175 and used it a little over 2 months. Willing to unload it for half the price I paid. Anyone here interested in starting a life change with a little great machine?
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    So do you just replace a meal with a glass of juice? How big a glass?
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    You know instead of alcohol-lots of people in Mexico drink something called Agua Miel. Comes from the Maguey plant. After the first day it no longer is called Agua Miel but Pulke-not sure on spelling. Supposed to have therapeutic qualities.
    I was at a friend's ranch and remember they invited me to go harvest some Agua Miel. The stuff will mess you up! It will get you drunk and actually gets stronger as the days go by. I remember as a kid my dad who doesn't really drink, would always look for it when we'd go to Mexico.
    It's something you have to look for and know where it comes from when you do ask for it. There's bars that specialize in it. I've never heard of anyone producing it here.

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    I went back to Mexico, San Miguel de Allende, and took a friend. We went looking for Agua Miel and found a lady selling it at a market. We'd go every morning and get a cup to drink since its supposed to be 'healthy' for you. So after doing this for a couple days we go visit some friends.
    I tell her about this 'ritual' we do each morning and she asked if we knew this lady or if it was good quality. Told her I think so why? She said could be dangerous. Asked her what could be dangerous about it-she said could have amoebas. I think my friend almost killed me with the look he gave me. So lesson of the story-know where your Agua Miel comes from. But this true about a lot of stuff in Mexico including the meat. They will butcher a sick animal and sell the meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    So, I am going to make the big leap and get a Masticating Juicer (Cold Press)
    what juicer are you going to get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer66 View Post
    what juicer are you going to get?
    Thinking about a big investment: Super Angel 5500...about a grand. yikes!
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    The Angel Juicer is the one I have used mostly.

    Angel Juicer Company Home Page

    As I seed, not being apox, it is expensive, but anyone wanting to get serious about juicing, this is the way to go..

    I really have a loads of beetroot juice, using the Angel, I almost get twice the juice as opposed to using a centrifugal juicer...

    There are quite some writings stating that loads of the goodness etc is destroyed by the centrifugal juicers. HOWEVER, a centrifugal juicer is better than no juice at all....

    Drinking a few L's of beetroot juice per week gives a new meaning to going to the bathroom, both 1's and 2's

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    Never heard about cold pressed juicers but that I read about them they seem to be the better choice.
    I had a Champion before and while it was great it had the disadvantages of a centrifugal juicer compared with a Masticating Juicer.
    Right now I just use a cheap one but I am going to get me a good one soon
    and while I am not getting a $1k plus one I am going to spend a couple of hundret dollars.

    Whafe do you have some recommadations regarding a cold pressed jucier?

    Right now my first pick would be a Omega model, not sure which one yet but that seems to be a good choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Thinking about a big investment: Super Angel 5500...about a grand. yikes!
    Yep, BIG investment, but it will take juicing to a new level, the taste is sensational... Awesome work...
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Thinking about a big investment: Super Angel 5500...about a grand. yikes!
    But it is so shiny

    I really need to change my diet to the better, I just got the flue or whatever it is pretty bad today.


    I just noticed that while I am typing this here there is a ad to the right for omega juicers, I wonder why that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Try this

    Get a bundle of kale - $2
    A bunch of bananas - $2
    High quality orange juice

    6-8 oz. of OJ
    4-5 de-stalked kale
    1 banana

    Blend it all up and drink this concoction everyday for two weeks. Eat your regular healthy diet. Obvious to not eat fast food, crap, etc.

    !
    Thanks for this
    I tried this today after my ride and it was very good, except I just used plain water and added whey protien powder to it. I like the taste of bitter greens and also high fiber so I went heavy on the Kale and even left the stalkes on. This is going to be my new after ride recovery drink.

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    Dion's juice suggestion...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post

    Get a bundle of kale - $2
    A bunch of bananas - $2
    High quality orange juice

    6-8 oz. of OJ
    4-5 de-stalked kale
    1 banana

    Blend it all up and drink this concoction everyday for two weeks. Eat your regular healthy diet. Obvious to not eat fast food, crap, etc.

    Try my recipe above. If you have an upset stomach or get an upset stomach in the morning, throw in a 1/4" of ginger. Ginger is a natural way to settle an upset stomach. Plus the anti-oxidents and anti-inflammatory properties are outstanding.
    Thanks for this recipe Dion! I tried it this morning and it's good. Not much bitterness from the Kale with the sweetness from the OJ and banana. I'm going to try it as a morning meal replacement for awhile.

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    [QUOTE=PixieChik;9988195]Step one- mission accomplished. I found a friend with a juicer she isn't using, will be in my possessiontomorrow. I can run a trial before spending the bucks on an appliance I might not use.
    Now I need to decide if I'm in for the pineapple juice experiment or going all the way and do a juice fast..




    Did you try it yet? After 4 days you should be seeing a difference by now...Pineapple for aches and pains is simply amazing.

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    Went to Bed Bath and Beyond. My wife had a $20 gift card and a $20 return. We also had one of there 20% off coupons, but Breville is listed on it as a brand not valid with the coupon (it is in the coupon's small print). Was tempted to get the $199 multi-speed juice fountain (BJE510XL) but ended up with the $149 dual speed model (JE98XL) as it gets great reviews and consumer reports recommended it.
    When we got to the register my wife tried to use the coupon....and the kid behind the counter took it (cha-ching, score!).
    Looking to start a detox challenge with a friend after xmas.
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    The Brevillle JE98XL is really good. That was what I was using for my fast and juices for the past couple months. One word of advice: get a filter bag (probably find one at any beer making store or even a cooking store). The juice you will get will be foamy and pulpy. One run through the filter will improve the flavor and texture considerably. You'll especially want to do this if you decide to fast...you want to avoid the pulpy stuff as much as possible to help with easy digestion and thus the purpose of the fast.

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    I'm going to upgrade to a new juicer. We are selling our old juicer. Here's a link if you want a cheap way to get going on this new lifestyle:

    omega 4000 juicer

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    So I mentioned this thread to my wife a week or so ago and somehow ended up with a Jack Lalanne (Walmart special?) juicer from my in laws. Does this thing suck balls or what?

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    I think almost every manual for a juicer says not to put your balls in any opening no matter what the circumstance. My Super Angel 5500 just arrived in San Fran today...should be here tomorrow! yes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    I think almost every manual for a juicer says not to put your balls in any opening no matter what the circumstance.
    Thanks for the tip. I guess it's back to asking my wife if she'll do it then.

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    After today's terrible performance on my bike at Ft. Ord, I read this thread with some enthusiasm. I think my diet is partly to blame for my current mental (lack of serious interest or enthusiasm for anything) and physical (slow, tired, bleh) state despite being at what I think is a good BMI (6'4", 215lbs).

    But you lost me at enema.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Thanks Dion...good stuff! I am also a vegetarian but eat seafood.
    Nope, you're an omnivore. I don't eat much meat, zero through the week and even on the weekends usually, but today I had a tibeten pork sandwich, which was rare for me. I'd say one meat-meal per week is about my average. I wouldn't ever call myself a vegitarian, as long as I occasionally eat some kind of meat. I've found that cutting out almost all meat doesn't have any negative effect, the problem is that most of us eat way too much meat, far more than we process or "need" as a result of exercise. We think we HAVE to eat meat for every meal, because that's simply how we've always done it. There's a lot of ways to lose weight, but exercising to keep metabolism up, eating less and more frequently to limit calories while still keeping energy up, and just making smart choices that aren't loaded with sodium, sugar, oil or fat make a huge difference. Drink a lot of water too, but those "big three" will likely get great results for anyone. Sticking to it can be tougher. I dropped 60lbs before I started getting a little back as muscle.

    It's not that I don't still like a nice steak, hamburger, or roast, it's just that I like myself more
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    Awesome thread squashyo, this has given me a kick in the pants to get my diet corrected too.
    Tomorrow i am going to try the pre-fast diet according to Steven Bailey's book as i've been reading it today. So it looks like he advises going into the juice diet directly after that.

    I'll give those recipies everyone provided a try next with my soon to be arriving juicer!
    Although i cant give up coffee just yet...

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    Stoked to hear how it goes Randomroot...coffee was a ***** for me and I had headaches for a couple days but I am now off it entirely and have more energy for it. If you are looking to do a cleanse, I'd try to do it without coffee...I think the whole point is to relieve your system of dealing with the chemicals so they can just chill out for a change and detox. I dunno though...I do think you will find that you absolutely do not 'need' the coffee in the AM because you'll have crazy weird energy and clarity from the cleanse...my $.02 but I aint no expert.

    On another topic, my Super Angel 5500 arrived today and just had my first drink...holy crap!!! Hands down, best juice drink I ever had...very stoked about this investment.

    Cheers everyone
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    Thoughts on why a good juicer is better than a good blender like a vitamix for heath reasons?
    My instinct is that its better to eat the whole veggie/friut, but I don't really know.
    Thinking of giving this thing a go, better health is more important than ever as we all age.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Mayhem View Post
    Thoughts on why a good juicer is better than a good blender like a vitamix for heath reasons?
    My instinct is that its better to eat the whole veggie/friut, but I don't really know.
    Thinking of giving this thing a go, better health is more important than ever as we all age.
    Thanks.
    I am not entirely sure but they both have great qualities. The Juicer allows you to consume greater amounts of nutrients in one sitting because that's all you're digesting. Good luck powering down 6 carrots, 6 celery sticks, a large beat, Kale, and an apple with the blender...just too much fiber. And also, the juicer is key to participating in the fast mentioned...the fast is designed to eliminate all fiber and give your internals a break.

    However, I hear great things about the blender or full fiber shakes. Still encourages great eating and the fiber is a good thing. You can also power down large quantities of good stuff rather than having to eat it the old fashioned way.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Fiber is awesome. I've never pooped so well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdubsl2 View Post
    But you lost me at enema.
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    I had my normal Kale shake this morning. Ready to go clean DogMeat!

    *yeah right*

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Mayhem View Post
    Thoughts on why a good juicer is better than a good blender like a vitamix for heath reasons?
    My instinct is that its better to eat the whole veggie/friut, but I don't really know.
    Thinking of giving this thing a go, better health is more important than ever as we all age.
    Thanks.

    The blender is to a juicer what a road bike is to a mtb.

    Not sure if that sentence makes any sense whatsoever

    But certain things you or maybe its just me, make more sense to be used in a blender
    like blueberry, strawberries, bananas and such.


    @squashyo, I would be really interested how the blender holds up over time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I had my normal Kale shake this morning. Ready to go clean DogMeat!
    The kale shake works! I lost 4 pounds this past week and the only thing that has changed in my diet is that I've been drinking 2 kale shakes a day for the past week.
    4 pounds in a week for me is a big deal, because it is very hard for me to drop weight.
    I'm just using a $50 hand blender and blending up a big handful of kale with stalk's a banana and an orange with enough water to make a shake consistency. If I'm having this shake after a ride I'll put a scoop of protein powder in.
    I have high cholesterol that runs in the family and is hard to control without medication. This is why I think the fiber from blending is important to me versus juicing. I need the fiber. The fiber also is keeping me full through the day which is stopping the snacking and probably what is leading to my losing 4 pounds in the past week.
    So for those not wanting to spend alot of money on a juicer, don't discount a hand blender. Cheap with low replacment cost, easy to use and fast to clean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I had my normal Kale shake this morning. Ready to go clean DogMeat!

    *yeah right*

    Thanks for the recipe. I made one and it was pretty good! AND I felt awesome all day yesterday.

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    Do you actually juice/blend as needed or a batch for one, two or how many days?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Fiber is awesome. I've never pooped so well.
    I poop great all the time, and am on and off the toilet in a jiffy. It’s all the fresh habañeros. I call them power poops.
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    This thread makes me feel like I'm in some weird twilight zone, where all the stuff I did that made me seem weird to other people now feels oddly... mainstream!

    Blended vs. Juiced:
    Blended drinks are great for your normal, everyday diet. Everyone should have them every day. Juicing is great for a periodic fast/cleanse, or a cleansing daily pre-breakfast ritual. It's important during a fast/cleanse to give your intestines a rest, so you don't want the fiber/roughage. Fruits and veggies are naturally cleansing anyway, so you probably could do a cleanse on 100% blended drinks, but it would be a slow, mild cleanse. In short - both have their purpose, like having a 29'er and a 26'er.

    Just a word about food combining: The rules of proper food combining can get really "OCD", like don't mix acid fruits with sweet fruits, (etc.) but meh - doesn't effect me at all. One rule I find useful is to not mix fruits with anything except greens. So, for example, don't have a smoothie with your eggs & toast. The only other big rule worth following (imo) is to not mix grains & proteins - so don't even eat your eggs with toast. Drink the smoothie, wait an hour or so for it to empty the stomach before having anything else. I also don't add protein powders or nuts other weird supplements. Just fruit and greens.

    This is a winter blended drink I've been doing lately to boost my immunity and it tastes great!
    1 or 2 bananas (or more depending on how hungry you are)
    3 peeled tangerines or mandarins - they are awesome this time of year. Navel oranges work, but they are not sweet and tasty enough. I look for citrus where the skin looks loose as they are easier to peel.
    Juice from 1/2 a lime squeezed into the blender
    1/2 a package of frozen mango chunks (on sale now!)
    handful of spinach or chard
    teeny tiny bit of water (there's a lot of juice from the citrus)

    Greens have a lot of iron (among other vital minerals/electrolytes), and Vitamin C from the citrus helps with iron absorption.

    Here is a pic of one I made without the greens:
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    Anyone who is interested in changing their diet for the better should watch "Hungry for Change".

    It is on Netflix this month, and you can sign up for a free for 30 day trial to see it.

    This show makes it very easy to understand just why most of us have or have had problems with food and our diets at some point.

    It explains why we get addicted to food, and how to kick the "Dead Food" habit.

    You will never look at the grocery store the same again.

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    Excited to check out that movie!

    So, I just learned some crazy facts about Romaine Lettuce...the protien part tripped me out:

    1 – Protein. Believe it or not, romaine lettuce is 17% protein with 7.7 grams per head. It is also a complete protein! That means that it has all 8 essential amino acids, 9% RDA of some and up to 26% RDA of others.

    2 – Calcium. One head of romaine has 206mg of calcium (about 21% RDA). Blend it with calcium rich fruits like papaya and oranges and you’ll get more calcium than a glass of milk!

    3 – Omega-3s. One head of romaine lettuce contains 44% RDA of Omega-3 essential fats. Forget the tainted fish oils, reach for some leafy greens instead!

    4 – More Vitamin C Than An Orange. One head of romaine contains 167% RDA of vitamin C while an average sized orange contains only 92%.

    5 – Iron. One head of romaine contains 6mg of iron, which ads a significant source of iron to the diets of vegetarians and vegans.

    6 – Romaine Lettuce is Rich in B-vitamins: Thiamine (B1) – 38% RDA, Riboflavin (B2) – 32% RDA, Niacin (B3) – 12% RDA, Pantothenic Acid (B5) – 18%, Pyridoxine (B6) – 36 %, Folate (B9) – 213%!

    7 – Water. One head of romaine provides 16% of your daily water needs with about 20 ounces of water per head!

    8 – Rich Source of vitamin A (as beta-carotene) and K. As with most leafy greens, romaine is super rich in beta-carotene with 1817% RDA per head and has 535% RDA of vitamin K.

    9 – Low Levels of Oxalic Acid. If you have problems with calcium oxalate kidney stones, romaine lettuce might be a good choice for leafy greens since it is very low in this anti-nutrient.

    10 – Mineral-Rich. Don’t let the lighter color of romaine lettuce fool you. This not-so-dark leafy green is rich in minerals. One head contains copper (33% RDA), magnesium (22% RDA), manganese (42% RDA), phosphorus (27% RDA), potassium (33%), selenium (5% RDA) and zinc (13% RDA).
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    Glad you guys are enjoying the Kale shakes! I actually got the idea from Joe Rogan.

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    One of my concerns with 'Juicing' was shrinking testicles...oops, wrong type of juicing. What I meant was, my main concern was maintaining energy& strength during rides. The last few days I have been juicing during the day (3 juices, lots of water) and a sensible dinner (grandma's veggie soup and mushroom/spinach ravioli). Took the SS out on the 3rd morning, and after a breakfast juice I packed a bottle of pear/apple juice and a bottle of water w/squeezed lemon...to make a long story short, I don't think I felt any different from any other ride, but am still curious how I will feel with full-time juicing (I am confident I will feel fine). This ride was only ~18 miles w/just over 2k of climbing. The big test will be a 30+ mile ride with 5k+ of climbing.
    My goal, lose 20lbs with juicing and overall diet/lifestyle change. I will post updates on the blog (hey, at least my mother reads it) but will come back here to update periodically.
    Many good recipes out there, but my favorite thus far: 1/2 pineapple, 1 orange, 3 mandarins, 1 lemon, 1 lime, ~3/4 thumb of ginger. De-licious!
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.O.B. View Post
    One of my concerns with 'Juicing' was shrinking testicles...oops, wrong type of juicing. What I meant was, my main concern was maintaining energy& strength during rides. The last few days I have been juicing during the day (3 juices, lots of water) and a sensible dinner (grandma's veggie soup and mushroom/spinach ravioli). Took the SS out on the 3rd morning, and after a breakfast juice I packed a bottle of pear/apple juice and a bottle of water w/squeezed lemon...to make a long story short, I don't think I felt any different from any other ride, but am still curious how I will feel with full-time juicing (I am confident I will feel fine). This ride was only ~18 miles w/just over 2k of climbing. The big test will be a 30+ mile ride with 5k+ of climbing.
    My goal, lose 20lbs with juicing and overall diet/lifestyle change. I will post updates on the blog (hey, at least my mother reads it) but will come back here to update periodically.
    Many good recipes out there, but my favorite thus far: 1/2 pineapple, 1 orange, 3 mandarins, 1 lemon, 1 lime, ~3/4 thumb of ginger. De-licious!
    Please...keep us posted! My concern with this last juice is that it is a great deal of sugar. If you go full juice fast, I would stick with LOTS of carrots, celery, beets, and greens...use fruit sparingly to add slight flavor enhancements. I think you will find yourself sugar crashing with an all fruit juicet and you will find an amazing amount of benefits from all the veggie nutrients.

    Speaking of sugar, this video got me off sugar drinks...it's very long but insanely informative:

    I'm not sure how this works.

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    For those that are juicing, what do you do with all the pulp? I've always thought that the pulp in the fruits you juice, being high in fiber is very good for you. More so than just the juice itself. Also, since it's hard for the body to break down fibre, if you're looking to lose weight a high fibre diet would be a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.O.B. View Post
    One of my concerns with 'Juicing' was shrinking testicles...oops, wrong type of juicing. What I meant was, my main concern was maintaining energy& strength during rides. The last few days I have been juicing during the day (3 juices, lots of water) and a sensible dinner (grandma's veggie soup and mushroom/spinach ravioli). Took the SS out on the 3rd morning, and after a breakfast juice I packed a bottle of pear/apple juice and a bottle of water w/squeezed lemon...to make a long story short, I don't think I felt any different from any other ride, but am still curious how I will feel with full-time juicing (I am confident I will feel fine). This ride was only ~18 miles w/just over 2k of climbing. The big test will be a 30+ mile ride with 5k+ of climbing.
    My goal, lose 20lbs with juicing and overall diet/lifestyle change. I will post updates on the blog (hey, at least my mother reads it) but will come back here to update periodically.
    Many good recipes out there, but my favorite thus far: 1/2 pineapple, 1 orange, 3 mandarins, 1 lemon, 1 lime, ~3/4 thumb of ginger. De-licious!
    Food is medicine. Think about how badass bright red tomatoes, green kale, organic rice, black beans, plantains, avocados, organic carrots, tofu, or big, juicy apples are. Grilled veggies in a wheat tortilla with hot sauce, or a veggie sandwich with bright green sprouts, coconut water and some homemade chips. Garlic, onion and basil potatoes fried in coconut oil.

    This is pretty much how I eat.

    I like juicing, but, like I said, I don't think it's sustainable for long periods.

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    While eating better is wonderful and we have established that there are many ways to improve health, the point of this thread was to introduce a detoxification method known as veggie juice fasting. I think everyone should try it and it's not very hard at all. It is quite an experience and an adventure to boot...it also opens doorways to a much healthier lifestyle as I have found. I hope some will give it a go and report back to see if you got the same kick ass results that I did. For me, I have been off the fast for about a month...blood pressure still normal and weight loss has been maintained at mid 170s where I like to be. I no longer crave crappy food and reach for the fountain of youth foods I used to avoid. I plan to do my next fast in July...but in the meantime, psyched to start eating much better using many of the tools introduced in the delightful thread.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Please...keep us posted! My concern with this last juice is that it is a great deal of sugar. If you go full juice fast, I would stick with LOTS of carrots, celery, beets, and greens...use fruit sparingly to add slight flavor enhancements. I think you will find yourself sugar crashing with an all fruit juicet and you will find an amazing amount of benefits from all the veggie nutrients.
    Yeah, the only sugar drinks in our house are store bought organic juices, or the juice I make for my detox...certainly better than soda etc. (my wife would not allow it).
    I am going to allow myself one yummy fruit drink a day during my detox, and the one listed will likely be my favorite. Might even freeze some for dessert pops (might lose something in enzymes/nutrients, but still yummy!). My 'meal' drinks will be mostly veggy concoctions, like these:

    Morning 'Green' Glory
    1 cucumber
    3 kale leaves
    1 handful spinach
    3 celery stalks
    1 apple (I used a Fuji)
    1 mini lime (or 1/2 regular lime)
    1 mandarin
    Pretty darn good...my first ever concoction

    Veggie Experiment:
    2 kale leafs
    handful spinach
    2 celery stalks
    3-4 carrots
    3 tomatoes
    1 lime
    When mixed, it turns an earthy brown. Taste is earthy, but I like the kick the lime adds.

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    As far as the pulp, the juicer handbook comes with a nice recipe for making vegetable soup with the juice and pulp...also I plan on using some of the vegetable pulp in muffins and casseroles. I have read of people saving the fruit pulp to use in deserts. Fruit-Pulp-Pie anyone? Mm mmm!
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    Just got an Omega J2006 at Blood Bath and Beyond for $207 + tax. ($259.99 - 20% coupon.) Macy's online has it on sale for $208 until New Year's Day.

    Gonna do this Gonna get healthy. Gonna get back on the bike. Thanks to Squashyo for the thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Excited to check out that movie!

    So, I just learned some crazy facts about Romaine Lettuce...the protien part tripped me out:

    1 – Protein. Believe it or not, romaine lettuce is 17% protein with 7.7 grams per head. It is also a complete protein! That means that it has all 8 essential amino acids, 9% RDA of some and up to 26% RDA of others.

    2 – Calcium. One head of romaine has 206mg of calcium (about 21% RDA). Blend it with calcium rich fruits like papaya and oranges and you’ll get more calcium than a glass of milk!

    3 – Omega-3s. One head of romaine lettuce contains 44% RDA of Omega-3 essential fats. Forget the tainted fish oils, reach for some leafy greens instead!

    4 – More Vitamin C Than An Orange. One head of romaine contains 167% RDA of vitamin C while an average sized orange contains only 92%.

    5 – Iron. One head of romaine contains 6mg of iron, which ads a significant source of iron to the diets of vegetarians and vegans.

    6 – Romaine Lettuce is Rich in B-vitamins: Thiamine (B1) – 38% RDA, Riboflavin (B2) – 32% RDA, Niacin (B3) – 12% RDA, Pantothenic Acid (B5) – 18%, Pyridoxine (B6) – 36 %, Folate (B9) – 213%!

    7 – Water. One head of romaine provides 16% of your daily water needs with about 20 ounces of water per head!

    8 – Rich Source of vitamin A (as beta-carotene) and K. As with most leafy greens, romaine is super rich in beta-carotene with 1817% RDA per head and has 535% RDA of vitamin K.

    9 – Low Levels of Oxalic Acid. If you have problems with calcium oxalate kidney stones, romaine lettuce might be a good choice for leafy greens since it is very low in this anti-nutrient.

    10 – Mineral-Rich. Don’t let the lighter color of romaine lettuce fool you. This not-so-dark leafy green is rich in minerals. One head contains copper (33% RDA), magnesium (22% RDA), manganese (42% RDA), phosphorus (27% RDA), potassium (33%), selenium (5% RDA) and zinc (13% RDA).
    I'm glad to hear it and Thank You for all the great info above! I am interested in what your opinion is after viewing "Hungry for Change". I had to watch it twice, because of all the good information.

    My latest improvement to my diet is purple carrots. They are 25-30 times higher in anthocyanins than the orange carrot, which are the antioxidants found in blueberries and raspberries. Also putting cilantro and parsley in salads and juices for their detoxifying effects.

    Isn't getting healthy fun!
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    The only thing missing from this thread is FC offering to host a juice/shake taste test party, with continual showings of Forks Over Knives, Food Matters, etc...
    Bring yer blenders, juicers, fruits and veggies and we can swap recipes and see who's tastes the best.
    That might be enough to get Dion out of the house and to a MTBR party.

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    Do any of you hardcore motherfuckers throw the citrus peels (from oranges, lemons, limes, etc.) into your juices as well? Plenty of nutrition to be had in them, from what I have read.

    Meanwhile, my wife bought one of those “Magic Bullet” (“As seen on TV!” ) chingaderos last month, we are about to fire it up today for shits and giggles, but have metric craploads of key limes from a friend’s backyard… hoping to use the peels too just to be extra crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    That might be enough to get Dion out of the house and to a MTBR party.
    No doubt!!! Dude needs to UNPLUG and get some freakin’ R and R!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Do any of you hardcore mother****ers throw the citrus peels (from oranges, lemons, limes, etc.) into your juices as well? Plenty of nutrition to be had in them, from what I have read..
    I peel the mandarins and oranges because it is easy to do. I am lazy so the lemons and limes go in, peel and all. I guess another option would just be to squeeze the juice into your cup and stir, but again, I am lazy and I love watching my juicer beat the pulp out of those things (pun intended).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Do any of you hardcore mother****ers throw the citrus peels (from oranges, lemons, limes, etc.) into your juices as well? Plenty of nutrition to be had in them, from what I have read.
    Not hard core enough yet, though I am doing a morning smoothie regularly.

    I definitely use the citrus peels, making sure I wash the skin thoroughly. I've done so with lemons, limes, and tangerines.

    My usual morning smoothie is:

    A base of:
    A couple of celery stalks (supposed to burn more calories digesting than it actually has)
    A couple of leaves of Kale
    Ginger (probably a 1/2" by 1" section)
    1/2 a lemon or lime

    I then add, depending on mood/whats around:
    A spoon full of vanilla yogurt
    Pineapple
    Apple
    Carrot
    Berries
    A spoon full of nut butter (almond, usually) if I want a bit more fat/protein
    A hot pepper (ginger + pepper + lemon/lime are a great combo)
    A few leaves of spinach

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    10 seconds my ass!!!

    OK, so this “Magic Bullet—As Seen on TV!!!” piece of crap my wife bought is a total farce. They should rename it to Tragic Bullshit, seriously. We’re returning this piece of crap A.S.A.P. I had forewarned my wife about false bullcrap claims that seem too good to be true before, but she ignored me. Yes, we were screwing around with that hunk of garbage for about 20 minutes before I broke out our trustly ’ol Cuisinart SmartPower Duet, which made not-so-quick business out of the load of veggies and fruit we stuffed into it, but it took less than 5 minutes to make a nice sludgy drink.

    Buyer beware: don’t buy this piece of crap “Magic Bullet”. I think we’re going to get one of those $200 jobbies they use at $tarbu¢ks and Jamba Juice. My dad has one of those and swears by it (and he ain’t no chump!!!).
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    omega 4000 juicer

    first $60 if you're from mtbr and you're planning to juice more in the new year
    cheers!

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    A piece of advice if you are wondering what whole foods or real foods are. Real food does not have nutritional labels. And also, don't listen to anyone's fitness / nutritional tips who has less fitness / nutrition than you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illnacord View Post
    And also, don't listen to anyone's fitness / nutritional tips who has less fitness / nutrition than you.
    I guess every coach and nutritionalist in the world is faster, stronger, better, and more fit than the athletes they are training?

    This thread is great. Keep it going. It's made a lot of folks re-think food, which is very positive. Squashyo, myself, or anybody who has positive experiences with these nutrient dense concoctions and sharing these recipes and experiences are doing many a great favor - and having "less" fitness or nutrition has nothing to do with that. It has to do with sharing a great experience and getting results, and opening peoples minds to different diets.

    I used to get extremely sick every year, with ridiculous temperatures and I'd be out for a week or more. This was at least 3X a year. Since drinking these kale shakes, supplementation and a dietary change, I have not been sick since day one. Is it out of line to share that with a stronger rider than myself?

    Anyway...

    This lady has it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I guess every coach and nutritionalist in the world is faster, stronger, better, and more fit than the athletes they are training?

    This thread is great. Keep it going. It's made a lot of folks re-think food, which is very positive. Squashyo, myself, or anybody who has positive experiences with these nutrient dense concoctions and sharing these recipes and experiences are doing many a great favor - and having "less" fitness or nutrition has nothing to do with that. It has to do with sharing a great experience and getting results, and opening peoples minds to different diets.

    I used to get extremely sick every year, with ridiculous temperatures and I'd be out for a week or more. This was at least 3X a year. Since drinking these kale shakes, supplementation and a dietary change, I have not been sick since day one. Is it out of line to share that with a stronger rider than myself?

    Anyway...

    This lady has it right.

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    Awesome...my new morning smoothie will be a 3 lb block of cheddar with a handful of cheezits for fiber. Thank you for the inspiration...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gr8xscape View Post
    Awesome...my new morning smoothie will be a 3 lb block of cheddar with a handful of cheezits for fiber. Thank you for the inspiration...
    You will have to juice it for maximum effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gr8xscape View Post
    Awesome...my new morning smoothie will be a 3 lb block of cheddar with a handful of cheezits for fiber. Thank you for the inspiration...
    I was with you till the cheezits, that is just wrong, wheats would be okay but no you have to go overboard with it.

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    Dion, you never cease to amaze us with your ability to find the most offensive, disgusting pictures on teh intarwebs. “Yup, jus gon have mysef uh block uh chedduh fo launch tdaye, Skeeter!”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Dion, you never cease to amaze us with your ability to find the most offensive, disgusting pictures on teh intarwebs. “Yup, jus gon have mysef uh block uh chedduh fo launch tdaye, Skeeter!”
    Do St. Joe's with us tomorrow, homie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Do St. Joe's with us tomorrow, homie.
    Would love to, but I will be riding the Los Alamitos singletrack with my wife and boys, hopefully we’ll end up all the way out to the Fortini side of STCP. My boys need a good 16-mile round trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vuduvgn View Post
    You guys are funny.
    Just wait until you do a group ride with us (Team Social Pace). Dion, Ancient Rascal, Nelson34, just to name a few, will have you rolling in stitches with laughter. Freakin’ serial jokesters.
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    Just watched Hungry for Change last night with family. AWESOME documentary. My kids are now super fired up to eat veggies and fruit...wow!
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    juice of the day....kale, spinach, celery, beets, oranges, apples, ginger. Pretty tasty!

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    I got:
    Carrots, celery, snap peas, apple, beet+stems/leaves, purple cabbage, zucchini, purple kale and UDOs Oil...damn good!!!!
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    My kids are now super fired up to eat veggies and fruit...wow!
    That is VERY cool!

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    Two pieces of advice I received a long time ago regarding nutrition:

    1. If your great grandmother wouldn't have recognized it, skip it. Take yogurt. Yes, she would have recognized basic yogurt. But chemical concoctions like "GoGurt" she would not. Juices yes. Monster "Energy drinks" nope. This pretty much eliminates almost all processed foods.
    2. Stick to the border of the supermarket. What's on the walls? Fruits, vegetables, fish, chicken, dairy etc.. In the middle... "fish sticks", "chicken tenders", fruit "smoothies"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Try this

    Get a bundle of kale - $2
    A bunch of bananas - $2
    High quality orange juice

    6-8 oz. of OJ
    4-5 de-stalked kale
    1 banana
    Did that yesterday and it was approved by the misses,
    our kale is still going strong even it dipped onto the low 20's more than once.
    It is very fulfilling for me to be able to go out in the garden and just pick stuff.

    I am trying to stay simple and also use the blender,
    this worked also for us.

    1 apple or pear, cut into large pieces
    2 stalks of celery, cut into large pieces
    2 handfuls of spinach or other dark leafy greens
    1/2 banana
    add 1 or more cups of water to blend very smoothly.

    credits to Mimi Kirk's Live Raw book.

    I also watched Hungry for change again yesterday and it was a good reminder about a lot of things.

    One thing I need to keep myself reminding of is that food companies do not necessarily have your best interests in mind.

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    @Dion. The simple statement of wasn't meant to attack you - not sure why you'd interpret that way. "A piece of advice if you are wondering what whole foods or real foods are. Real food does not have nutritional labels. And also, don't listen to anyone's fitness / nutritional tips who has less fitness / nutrition than you."

    Just remember, nutrition isn't a fad or trend that can be purchased, it's a lifestyle. Good luck and we'll see you at the summit.
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    Just watched Hungry for change. I found it pretty disappointing.
    While I agree with everything they were saying, they had no facts or studies or proof to backup any claims or statements. It seemed to be a bunch of "experts" all agreeing with each other. I thought forks over knives was better in that they site specific studies, or were even the people conducting the studies.
    I eventually turned off hungry for change before finishing it. It felt more like a 90 minute infomercial, even incorporating a "here's Jane, unhealthy, no makeup, hair a mess, with a sad color filter on the camera", followed by "here's Jane after juicing one day. She wakes up to a new life, beautiful hair, perfect makeup, and a happy color filter on the camera".

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    "Colonics" not "Enemas"

    Sheesh don't mess up years of marketing strategy! (maybe more on this later)

    but...

    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    Just watched Hungry for change. I found it pretty disappointing.
    While I agree with everything they were saying, they had no facts or studies or proof to backup any claims or statements. It seemed to be a bunch of "experts" all agreeing with each other. I thought forks over knives was better in that they site specific studies, or were even the people conducting the studies.
    I eventually turned off hungry for change before finishing it. It felt more like a 90 minute infomercial, even incorporating a "here's Jane, unhealthy, no makeup, hair a mess, with a sad color filter on the camera", followed by "here's Jane after juicing one day. She wakes up to a new life, beautiful hair, perfect makeup, and a happy color filter on the camera".
    ...I felt the same way; couldn't get all the way through it---"infomercial" indeed. I was able to watch the whole 1-1/2 hours of "The Skinny on Obesity" with Dr. Lustig ( Sugar: The Bitter Truth - YouTube! ) previously linked here and found it time well spent. But even this "scientific" presentation is slightly biased IMHO in that researchers need to sell their research to keep that funding coming. No matter, as Lustig says; "politics".

    My commentary on "juicing" comes more from anecdote than personal experience; I have (do) enjoyed "juices" but have never bothered with a juice fast. Didn't need to; while I was still a young lad I had several relatives (and a couple of neighbors) very much involved in the "movement". (yes pun intended) Observing their triumphs and tribulations was enough for me to adopt the "anything in moderation" philosophy. (Nothing moderate about an enem...errr colonic)

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    I'm sentimentally attached (actually have 2 of these units) and have promised relatives that they be "kept in the family". Well worn from a half century of use; this Norwalk is still going strong (yes I have used it).

    Inherited from my uncles; these units dispel the myth that "if you juice; you'll live forever". I think for a little while, they actually believed this mantra. Which at the time wasn't too extreme as there were (are) some "quacks" claiming that if you were totally "clean" you could live on air/sunlight alone ("Breatharians")

    Lest I waste the rest of the day ranting I'll leave with the comment that this topic is great in that it promotes nutritional awareness...

    ...be careful what you put up your butt...

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    Inspired by this thread and started my 90 day weight loss plan. Hopefully this works.
    Breakfast today:
    2 kale stalks
    1 kiwi
    1 green apple
    1 bananna
    8oz OJ

    Down the hatch we go

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    Um, that seems like a LOT of sugar.
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    I would not call Hungry for change a informercial since they are not really plugging their products like they do in informercials.

    I would see that movie more like a easy to digest entree for people who want to change their lifestyle
    and do not need full depth information.

    Besides, who wants to live forever anyway?
    Not me, I just want to cut down on the adult diaper years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg View Post
    ...be careful what you put up your butt...
    Wiser words were never spoken.

    In prep for a juice fast, I have been experimenting with juicing during the day and eating a sensible meal at night (all vegetarian until a couple turkey meatballs on NewYears Eve). Now I find that since I started (Dec. 27th) I have lost nearly 6lbs. I can still exercise and feel strong doing it. In fact today was 25+ miles with over 4k of climbing...felt better than ever coming up the final 2 mile climb (Stagecoach)...and all I had for breakfast was a high sugar citrus blend juice and then lemon water in two bottles for the ride.

    This has me rethinking my intended detox and just continuing with what I have been doing (a slower detox). Ultimately my goal is to loose weight and get healthier...I think I am.

    Here was my post ride drink:
    2 leafs kale
    2 tomatoes
    3 carrots
    1 handful spinach
    1 beet (stalks, leafs and all)
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    It was pretty darn good.

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    I got a Nutribullet for Xmas. Been eating lots of greens and feeling great because of it.

    That afternoon nap that I always feel necessary is no longer there and my winter riding has been very strong.

    My wife thinks I'm hilarious because I now just discovered "the vegetable" but I have been telling everyone about it.

    Good to hear I'm not the only one going on a health kick

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    Sounds interesting. It is interesting that after 3 days the hunger cravings subsided some for the OP. I think that there is a withdrawal effect the more you eat and what you eat. I have found that eating big meals, made my hunger increased after the food digested and I got just caveman hunger for the next meal.

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    This thread got me all excited. I am and have been a giant fan of juicing vegetables and fruits for some time..
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    So do you guys peel your root vegetables like beets, ginger, and carrots or just throw the whole thing in there?

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    I don't but I read that the skin of the beet can be bitter. I have tried peeling this skin but didn't notice any changes. I am told that you should peel Cucumbers if they feel waxy (organic usually does not have this).
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    I would peel them almost all if they are not organic but I try to eat less and switch to fully organic or home grown for juicing and blending and than I do not peel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Novice View Post
    I got a Nutribullet for Xmas. Been eating lots of greens and feeling great because of it.

    That afternoon nap that I always feel necessary is no longer there and my winter riding has been very strong.

    My wife thinks I'm hilarious because I now just discovered "the vegetable" but I have been telling everyone about it.

    Good to hear I'm not the only one going on a health kick
    +1 on the nutribullet. I'm loving it.

    So much easier than a juicer.

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    Just read that the sweet potato is packed with a lot of goodies so it will make it into the juicer soon.

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    Day 3

    Just to clarify: I LOVE red meat, don't drive a hybrid and love the smell of race gas and double IPAs

    I'm on day 3, hopefully I'll see the "break through" shortly. This am, I went for my first ride (El Sereno semi-daily trainer) whilst on the program. I was super sensitive of my energy level after 2 day fast-was about average, though my stomach felt better while riding.

    Other observations:
    Non-stop pee sessions
    Black Tar Turds
    The average veggy juice looks like goat diarrhea, but actually tastes a tad better
    The first few days I was unusually *****y-least I have an excuse

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    Every year my goal was to not gain weight during the holidays. But I always did gain a couple. Then I'd work really hard to get rid of them in Jan-March. This year after watching forks over knives and hungry for change we decided to adopt the veggie life style. I've followed palieo and mostly non gluten for over 2 yrs. We purchased a Vitamix 5200 from Costco for $350. But after you use it a few times it justified the high price. I also downloaded a free app call Myfitnesspal to monitor daily calories. Sounds extreme, but it's very simple to use. Not only does it add up you calories minus your exercise, it gives a summary of your fats/carbs/protein for the day. With the new veggie diet I wanted to see how much protein I was getting. I was surprised to find protein in a lot of different things, including veggies. Quinoa is my new protein staple. In the month of December where I typically gain a couple of lbs, I shed 8 lbs from juicing. I did the Dr Oz 3 day detox Dr. Oz's 3-Day Detox Cleanse One-Sheet | The Dr. Oz Show This will give you everything you need, including the grocery list. I lost 5 lbs just during this process. The second day at dinner time was tough, but the third day was much better. I felt tons of focus and energy. I could have kept going. I'm digging the shakes and so far don't see any down side except for being associated with the hippy connotation. Happy blending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackho View Post
    Just to clarify: I LOVE red meat, don't drive a hybrid and love the smell of race gas and double IPAs

    I'm on day 3, hopefully I'll see the "break through" shortly. This am, I went for my first ride (El Sereno semi-daily trainer) whilst on the program. I was super sensitive of my energy level after 2 day fast-was about average, though my stomach felt better while riding.

    Other observations:
    Non-stop pee sessions
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    The average veggy juice looks like goat diarrhea, but actually tastes a tad better
    The first few days I was unusually *****y-least I have an excuse
    This is awesome you red neck! So, you should start feeling oddly clear headed soon and moments of trippy energy bursts.

    One note you may want to consider is that if your juice is diarrhea consistency, you may want to consider running your juice through a filter bag. You want to avoid pulp to a point because you have no fiber scrubbing the walls (notice the film on your teeth yet?). If too pulpy, you may have to work harder to pull nutrients and water into the system thus the 'unusually shitty' feeling. Sorry to say this again but the enema will make you feel much better if you are feeling crappy (ha) in the head. Clears that pulp lining the walls and your body doesn't lack in absorption processes. Keep it up!!! How many days are you shooting for?
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    Just watched Hungry for change. I found it pretty disappointing.
    While I agree with everything they were saying, they had no facts or studies or proof to backup any claims or statements. It seemed to be a bunch of "experts" all agreeing with each other. I thought forks over knives was better in that they site specific studies, or were even the people conducting the studies.
    I eventually turned off hungry for change before finishing it. It felt more like a 90 minute infomercial, even incorporating a "here's Jane, unhealthy, no makeup, hair a mess, with a sad color filter on the camera", followed by "here's Jane after juicing one day. She wakes up to a new life, beautiful hair, perfect makeup, and a happy color filter on the camera".
    Forks Over Knives presents itself as scientific but there's a lot of cherry picking of data going on there in pursuit of an agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy f View Post
    Forks Over Knives presents itself as scientific but there's a lot of cherry picking of data going on there in pursuit of an agenda.

    “Forks Over Knives”: Is the Science Legit? (A Review and Critique) « Raw Food SOS
    Not sure if I going to bother after reading this in his intro.

    In case you aren’t yet convinced that I’ve made it my life’s mission to critique everything related to T. Colin Campbell, this should seal the deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer66 View Post
    Not sure if I going to bother after reading this in his intro.
    There are plenty of other critiques out there. This one just happens to be very well documented despite the author's motivations.
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    There is always gonna be naysayers (especially those funded by deep pocketed interest groups on the other side - not saying this guy was but ya never know).

    I can only speak for personal experience which seems to be reiterated by others in this thread. Moving towards this diet just works. Can't argue with my highly reduced blood pressure, my 15 lbs weight loss some 30 days after the diet ended, general feeling of energy throughout the day, and this odd six pack under my, much smaller version of, man boobs.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    There is always gonna be naysayers (especially those funded by deep pocketed interest groups on the other side - not saying this guy was but ya never know).

    I can only speak for personal experience which seems to be reiterated by others in this thread. Moving towards this diet just works. Can't argue with my highly reduced blood pressure, my 15 lbs weight loss some 30 days after the diet ended, general feeling of energy throughout the day, and this odd six pack under my, much smaller version of, man boobs.
    My favorite juice fasts consist of celery, cucmbers, strawberries, carrots, romaine lettuce, and just about any other veggies/fruits I can juice. I did my first juice fast in late 2009 and lost 25 lbs in 30 days. Now I am a big guy to begin with, I needed to be as work made me that way. Then I changed jobs (chasing money instead of dreams) and now I am training to re-enter my previous career...I did sporadic juice fasts all of 2010, and felt fantastic. In 2011 I gained 10 lbs, and couldn't really juice fast due to work and other stuff. In 2012, I started again mid year and have lost that 10 lbs and am going for an all time loss of 25 more....that will keep me right at perfect.

    I am currently on a month long fast which started on 1-1-13 with the first 3 days slowly weening (salads and light fiber) towards a complete juice fast which will last till months-end.

    I have had naysayers saying I need to eat complex carbs and stop juice fasting in order to maintain my health and ride. This one bozo would send me bullcrap photos and articles from unknown sources and tell me that this was the proof. That it is all snakeoil...smoke and mirrors...TBH, I think the guy fried his brain out smoking to much sensi...

    The truth is, you have to do what feels right for you. If someone does not like the way you want to live, especially if it is healthy...ask them to start paying your bills and you'll then consider living according to them. Otherwise screw them.

    I hope that more mountain bikers consider implementing this into their fitness goals!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy f View Post
    There are plenty of other critiques out there. This one just happens to be very well documented despite the author's motivations.
    Yah, there's a ton of miracle diets out there. It seems all have some validity - but most of them also espouse questionable science. And many of them really push their agenda like so many religious fanatics.

    I'm sort of over it. There's a lot of good things in veggies, fruits, naturals meats, dairy and staying away from processed crap.

    if you really wanna keep it simple - just dont eat anything that has any ingredients list on it. Buy whole foods, eat whole foods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    Yah, there's a ton of miracle diets out there. It seems all have some validity - but most of them also espouse questionable science. And many of them really push their agenda like so many religious fanatics.

    I'm sort of over it. There's a lot of good things in veggies, fruits, naturals meats, dairy and staying away from processed crap.

    if you really wanna keep it simple - just dont eat anything that has any ingredients list on it. Buy whole foods, eat whole foods.
    Wow. Iheart and I agree on something.

    So I'm on about day five of juicing in the morning. I'm not going on a fast or anything but just starting the day off with juice (some combo of celery, carrot, kale, beet, apple and orange) and maybe a piece of toast with peanut butter. So far, I like the results. Maybe it's a placebo but the energy boost feels real. I didn't intend to stop drinking coffee but I haven't needed/wanted it. I don't really feel like I want or need to "diet" as I'm 6'2"-180 but the increased energy and sharpness has been really nice. We'll see where it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Hungus View Post
    Wow. Iheart and I agree on something.

    So I'm on about day five of juicing in the morning. I'm not going on a fast or anything but just starting the day off with juice (some combo of celery, carrot, kale, beet, apple and orange) and maybe a piece of toast with peanut butter. So far, I like the results. Maybe it's a placebo but the energy boost feels real. I didn't intend to stop drinking coffee but I haven't needed/wanted it. I don't really feel like I want or need to "diet" as I'm 6'2"-180 but the increased energy and sharpness has been really nice. We'll see where it goes.
    My chiropractor got me started doing smoothies. More as a meal replacement, than anything - but I do add vegitable based protein (meat doesnt do well in blenders, and i try to limit soy intake) and add some antioxidants and omega 3's. I also limit the sugar - and just mix with water.

    But I dont consider this a diet - just something I can make quickly that is healthier than an egg mcmuffin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    My chiropractor got me started doing smoothies. More as a meal replacement, than anything - but I do add vegitable based protein (meat doesnt do well in blenders, and i try to limit soy intake) and add some antioxidants and omega 3's. I also limit the sugar - and just mix with water.

    But I dont consider this a diet - just something I can make quickly that is healthier than an egg mcmuffin.

    Quick Healthy Smoothie Recipe with Dr. Bruce Presnick - YouTube
    I do a morning smoothie too. Pineapple, blueberries, a scoop of whey protein, a scoop of Green Vibrance (powdered greens + pre- and probiotics + some other stuff), a tablespoon of ground flax seeds, and almond milk. I change around the fruit for variety but always come back to pineapple and those little frozen wild blueberries from Trader Joe's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles View Post
    Yah, there's a ton of miracle diets out there. It seems all have some validity - but most of them also espouse questionable science. And many of them really push their agenda like so many religious fanatics.

    I'm sort of over it. There's a lot of good things in veggies, fruits, naturals meats, dairy and staying away from processed crap.

    if you really wanna keep it simple - just dont eat anything that has any ingredients list on it. Buy whole foods, eat whole foods.
    Pretty much sums it up for me.

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    too much to read ...BUT I GET MY VITAMIX TOMORROW !!!!!!
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    Tell us how beer in the Vitamix changes the flavor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    Tell us how beer in the Vitamix changes the flavor...
    Funny you should mention that. Earlier this evening I made some blender sludge (using my Cuisinart SmartPower Duet™ since we don’t have a proper juicer yet) for my family and I. Well, to get the scrapins’ out of the glass, I douched it out with some Lagunitas Cappuccino Stout that I was drinking along side the sludgy treat. Tasted sorta strange, but nonetheless, no plant fiber was wasted.
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    Anyone use wakame or hijiki in their mixture? Stuff is higher in vitamins in minerals gram per gram than any land-based vegetable or fruit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Anyone use wakame or hijiki in their mixture? Stuff is higher in vitamins in minerals gram per gram than any land-based vegetable or fruit.
    I'm pretty sure a healthy mix of ginger, lemon, and hot peppers will mask any weird flavors the wakame/hijiki might bring.

    If concerned still, add beer. (This crowd continues to scare me ... )

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    I'm pretty sure a healthy mix of ginger, lemon, and hot peppers will mask any weird flavors the wakame/hijiki might bring.

    If concerned still, add beer. (This crowd continues to scare me ... )
    I’ve made beer milkshakes before (heavy coffee stout or porter + vanilla ice cream = ). Pretty tasty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    I’ve made beer milkshakes before (heavy coffee stout or porter + vanilla ice cream = ). Pretty tasty.
    This is a diet thread for ****s sake...have some compassion.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    This is a diet thread for ****s sake...have some compassion.
    Sorry, I keep on forgetting that I have a metabolism rate of a 14 year old boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    This is a diet thread for ****s sake...have some compassion.
    but this also the Norcal forum...take it easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky View Post
    but this also the Norcal forum...take it easy
    This mornings smoothy - pea protein, organic plain yogurt, banana's, baby food.

    Well the baby food was just pureed mango's. But it still counts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky View Post
    but this also the Norcal forum...take it easy
    touche!
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    This weekend we will do the Hungry for change three day detox program.
    I tried the three stage detox from Dr. Schulze once but I bailed during the first stage
    because I basiclly moved into the bathroom, I hope this one will be a little less moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer66 View Post
    This weekend we will do the Hungry for change three day detox program.
    I tried the three stage detox from Dr. Schulze once but I bailed during the first stage
    because I basiclly moved into the bathroom, I hope this one will be a little less moving.
    Very cool! The only thing I don't understand about a three day fast is that that is the hardest part...after three days, it is quite easy to keep going...for weeks actually. The three day will certainly help purge the system but don't shut the door on a longer fast...maybe down the road. Good luck with the 3 day and let us know how it goes!
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    so you kids have a bunch of helpful recipe do-s do you have any recipe don't-s? last thing i think one would want is green vomit. ew.

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    I have one. Raw Chard. Loaded with nutrients but makes a lot of people sick when eaten raw. I got a scratchy throat every time I was using and my bro-in-law threw up when he tried juicing it. I'd stay away from chard. Also, bananas don't juice.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    shake of the day (made in the Vitamix instead of the juicer) - chocolate whey protein, full fat coconut milk, almond butter, dates....delicious and tons of Calories

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    OK finally started the juice/beer diet.

    got my late Xmas present, Vitamix.

    Time to experiment.
    First try:
    Kale
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    Spinach
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    Celery
    Apple

    Not bad but I can do better; filling though.
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    Lunch:
    two leafs of kale, handful of spinach, handful of grapes, half cucumber, quarter apple and some lime juice. Way better
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    My wife just started her first 5 day fast today. She did a 3 day prep of raw veggies. I have never seen her with so much energy...I am in trouble.

    My breakfast: carrots, celery, arugula, cucumber, 3 cloves of garlic, snap peas, raspberries, and one whole orange (with skin). delightful! Wish I could ride today...Stevens Creek run tomorrow.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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