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    Been thinking about doing this and his thread got me started, went and picked up a vitamix and a bunch of greens and fruits etc and gotta say I thought it would taste bad or blah but not at all.
    So does anyone make a bigger batch and put it in the fridge for later?

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    adding to daytripper's question about mass quantity... how much juice do you all have per serving? (say you're doing the fast)

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    I use a Nalgene bottle and go 1:10 juice to water, plus some green powder and alkaline drops. On the fast, I drink about 6 of these a day. When I'm eating, it's about 3. I'll make enough for a day during one juicing session, but never more than that. It goes bad pretty fast, even in the fridge. Also, I read an article about how it oxidizes very quickly and loses its maximum potency within 30 minutes. I don't know how practical it is to juice 3 - 6x a day though...

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    I think we need more info on enema's - an important component of this diet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by markj2k4 View Post
    adding to daytripper's question about mass quantity... how much juice do you all have per serving? (say you're doing the fast)
    Not sure it matters as you'll only want to drink so much.
    Day 6 for me, I'm 5 lbs lighter and still haven't grown a vag, kissed a goat or bought a hybrid

    My "plan" differed from SquashYos in that I used a vitamix in lieu of a juicer cuz we have one and I didn't want to spend $200-$1,000 on a juicer I would only occasionally use. There's a lot more sludge to deal with using the vitamix, but many argue that's valuable fiber/vitamins.

    I did my 3 daily El Sereno training rides(1,500 ft/7mi) in a row, the first two were about average, the 3rd was really tough. I'm debating whether to go on a longer ride Today or go to the gym and cross train.

    I'm not experiencing the whole boundless energy deal, but I'm not suffering from lack of it either. Maybe if i stuck a hose up my butt, that would improve, but ill prolly pass on that phase of my development. I am more clear headed, but not spiritual awakenings to speak of, except of course when I see a bunny or deer and want to rip its head off an eat it raw, just sayin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackho View Post
    Not sure it matters as you'll only want to drink so much.
    Day 6 for me, I'm 5 lbs lighter and still haven't grown a vag, kissed a goat or bought a hybrid

    My "plan" differed from SquashYos in that I used a vitamix in lieu of a juicer cuz we have one and I didn't want to spend $200-$1,000 on a juicer I would only occasionally use. There's a lot more sludge to deal with using the vitamix, but many argue that's valuable fiber/vitamins.
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    NICE. I'll have to look out for you on El Sereno one of these days as I ride there about once a week...if you squint your eyes real tight, you can turn it into single track.

    So, I applaud your program (while standing) but our diets are more different than you state above. Because you are ingesting fiber with every meal, you are using energy needed to digest and breakdown nutrients and work out the fiber from the system. While this is close to mine, it's not technically a food "fast" but a great diet none the less (I think - I guess a "real" fast would just be water). With a fiber free fast (mostly pulp free), you are eating what accounts to a completely digested meal and your system has zero work to deal with thus a faster weight loss process, the clear headed/increased energy feeling, and more of a detox (your vital organs have nothing to do but remove toxins and heal up).

    I stole this quote, "When you consume only green smoothies, you are "feasting" rather than fasting, as you are still consuming whole foods and all the fiber they contain, thus your digestion never rests as it does in a true liquid fast. Still phenomenally beneficial, green smoothie feasts are a great way to transition into and out of a fast."

    I am in no way trying to downplay your program but I highly encourage you or others to try the fiber free fast as a detox/weight loss program someday. This program you are on is an amazing health booster/weight loser but I think we are talking two different animals. Also, I use my juicer everyday now that I feel the benefits of the mass packed nutrient drink I make every morning...and I plan to do two extended juice fasts a year. I went from speculating to buying a very high end juicer once I got into it. You can probably find a used juicer cheap on Craig's List.

    On a positive side note for you, there is no need for an enema with your diet plan because you already have the fiber doing the work required. To go further, there is no need for one on my plan too...but it does make you feel a heck of a lot better during the fast...and you remove those crayons you swallowed when you were a kid.

    Keep it up and sorry if I came off as pretentious here.
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    We are almost at the end of our 2. day of detoxing and so far I have mixed feelings.
    Some of the food is tasty and is going to be used in the future but we both feel pretty sluggish and feel a liitle bit weird in general and light headed.
    But that might be the bodies getting rid of stuff and I do not think I ever ate that much parsley in such a short period of time.

    @squashyo, that is very good info about the fiber.

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    I got a juicer from my brother last week, and he only gave me one instruction "Don't ever bring it back."
    After doing the first juice, I can see why. It's a huge timesuck for very little useable juice.
    If you're thinking about doing this for a few days, I say see if you can buy some juice at the grocery store, you'll save a ton of time and money. If you decide after a few days you want to do it for longer, then consider buying a juicer.

    On a side note, I feel bad throwing out the pulp, so I've been experimenting with it.
    Last night I made a loaf of wheat bread with walnuts, and threw in a cup of carrot/celery/kale pulp. That came out pretty good.
    I just got done with another experiment, where I turned the celery/carrot/kale pulp into veggie patties. I added some canned corn, black beans, diced red onion, spices, and some flour to bind it together. Fried it in a pan for about 10 mins, and it was friggin delicious. Some tweaking and tuning and I won't be buying veggie patties anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    I got a juicer from my brother last week, and he only gave me one instruction "Don't ever bring it back."
    After doing the first juice, I can see why. It's a huge timesuck for very little useable juice.
    If you're thinking about doing this for a few days, I say see if you can buy some juice at the grocery store, you'll save a ton of time and money. If you decide after a few days you want to do it for longer, then consider buying a juicer.

    On a side note, I feel bad throwing out the pulp, so I've been experimenting with it.
    Last night I made a loaf of wheat bread with walnuts, and threw in a cup of carrot/celery/kale pulp. That came out pretty good.
    I just got done with another experiment, where I turned the celery/carrot/kale pulp into veggie patties. I added some canned corn, black beans, diced red onion, spices, and some flour to bind it together. Fried it in a pan for about 10 mins, and it was friggin delicious. Some tweaking and tuning and I won't be buying veggie patties anymore.
    Very cool ideas

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    I got a juicer from my brother last week, and he only gave me one instruction "Don't ever bring it back."
    After doing the first juice, I can see why. It's a huge timesuck for very little useable juice.
    If you're thinking about doing this for a few days, I say see if you can buy some juice at the grocery store, you'll save a ton of time and money. If you decide after a few days you want to do it for longer, then consider buying a juicer.

    On a side note, I feel bad throwing out the pulp, so I've been experimenting with it.
    Last night I made a loaf of wheat bread with walnuts, and threw in a cup of carrot/celery/kale pulp. That came out pretty good.
    I just got done with another experiment, where I turned the celery/carrot/kale pulp into veggie patties. I added some canned corn, black beans, diced red onion, spices, and some flour to bind it together. Fried it in a pan for about 10 mins, and it was friggin delicious. Some tweaking and tuning and I won't be buying veggie patties anymore.
    I also dig your veggie patty idea alot!

    As for store bought veggie juice...shelf life kills the nutrients so entirely different ball game. I guess you could try the store bought to see if you like the taste. From a nutritional standpoint, fresh made compared to store bought will be dramatically different.

    As for me, 15-20 minutes to make a juice and clean up. A wee bit of a time suck but manageable in my book. Congrats on the new juicer.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    I have one. Raw Chard. Loaded with nutrients but makes a lot of people sick when eaten raw. I got a scratchy throat every time I was using and my bro-in-law threw up when he tried juicing it. I'd stay away from chard. Also, bananas don't juice.
    One other you should have cautioned... broccoli... not the best to start off with yakkk. Did broccoli this morning because I was in a "hey, what other veggies are in the fridge" kind of mood. Boy the taste of broccoli tainted up the batch of juice pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    I got a juicer from my brother last week, and he only gave me one instruction "Don't ever bring it back."
    We have a basic juicer for citrus (cut in half, place on 'juicer', it rotates) that we rarely use. We don't have a more advanced juicer. And I don't use this one for smoothies.

    We have a commercial Vitamix. Everything that goes in the smoothie enters the vitamix. It does it's thing for a bit and I have something green, fibrous, and vaguely drinkable (depending on ingredients).

    When dealing with carrots, kale, spinach, and the like, something like a Vitamix seems pretty useful.

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    Day Three and I feel good. 6 lbs lost so far.
    That includes 1-2 beers/ or glasses a wine and a healthy dinner...Sushi.

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    I started this today too-but with some mods. I'm doing the 5 day thing. I really need to change my eating habits. I don't think I can go full vegetarian, but I'm thinking about doing as much vegetables, fruit etc during the day and a sensible meal at night. Hoping this year I'll be able to get out and ride more too. 2012 wasn't a great year for bike rides for me, most of the people I was riding with have surpassed me.
    We made plans for a vegetable garden and hopefully a place to keep chickens at our house, so that will be nice to be able to produce some of our own food. Thanks again to everyone for all the info on here-

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    By the way that green drink on day one-oh my-gonna be work taking it down. My fiancé made it last night and let me taste it-I was drinking a beer at the time.

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    so I have a question, beside doing the juice fast, do you eat fruits and carrots throughout the day? specially if you do more that 5 to 7 days?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvega View Post
    so I have a question, beside doing the juice fast, do you eat fruits and carrots throughout the day? specially if you do more that 5 to 7 days?.

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    I am probably going to drive people crazy but Juice Fast and what you are talking about are two completely different animals. If you do the 'juice fast', which I am a proponent of, you eat NO fiber at all. You give your vitals a complete rest...if you do juice with fiber (any kind of chewing) you are simply dieting. Sounds hard but after 2-3 days of a true juice fast, you do not miss eating at all and you will have insane amounts of energy and you will lose 10lbs off the bat with 1lb a day...and you can ride, work out, etc. Best of all, you purge the system of years of crappy toxins.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    I am probably going to drive people crazy but Juice Fast and what you are talking about are two completely different animals. If you do the 'juice fast', which I am a proponent of, you eat NO fiber at all. You give your vitals a complete rest...if you do juice with fiber (any kind of chewing) you are simply dieting. Sounds hard but after 2-3 days of a true juice fast, you do not miss eating at all and you will have insane amounts of energy and you will lose 10lbs off the bat with 1lb a day...and you can ride, work out, etc. Best of all, you purge the system of years of crappy toxins.
    Yes sorry to semi-jack the thread. I am in no way doing this, not because I don't think its good, but I don't wanna

    Also y main concern is weight loss. The weight gain came from a relaxed diet ( still no fast food, soda, Twinkies) and no riding ( two baby girls) Getting back to my old diet and normal riding routine my weight drops quick. this is just a jump start.


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    Try dandelion, collard, and cabbage, beets and their tops. Your toilet will forgive you later.


    Been juicing for over 35 years. Never spent a day in the hospital. Get a cold maybe once every few years. I cycle 3-4 times a week and can keep up with guys half my age. I do drink beer and wine. What else would I drink have with my carne asada burrito?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky View Post
    Yes sorry to semi-jack the thread. I am in no way doing this, not because I don't think its good, but I don't wanna

    Also y main concern is weight loss. The weight gain came from a relaxed diet ( still no fast food, soda, Twinkies) and no riding ( two baby girls) Getting back to my old diet and normal riding routine my weight drops quick. this is just a jump start.


    Back to the juice thread.
    No, no, no, please! I do not mind at all talking about options and alternatives to a bike friendly/healthy eating program. What I am seeing though is a confusion between a 'fast' and a 'diet'...just hope people understand the difference. I hope everyone will try a 'juice fast' someday as it's a cool experience that is not nearly as hard as it seems...and, did I mention, you can still ride a bike?
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    No, no, no, please! I do not mind at all talking about options and alternatives to a bike friendly/healthy eating program. What I am seeing though is a confusion between a 'fast' and a 'diet'...just hope people understand the difference. I hope everyone will try a 'juice fast' someday as it's a cool experience that is not nearly as hard as it seems...and, did I mention, you can still ride a bike?
    One thing I think that scares people off is you think you're going to be starving... in reality you really won't be. I have been only a couple days and my lady constantly is asking if I am hungry. No, no I am not... do I want a giant cheeseburger? Yes, sounds delish, but I am not at all hungry.

    Any more tasty recipes to share??
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    Quote Originally Posted by markj2k4 View Post
    One thing I think that scares people off is you think you're going to be starving... in reality you really won't be. I have been only a couple days and my lady constantly is asking if I am hungry. No, no I am not... do I want a giant cheeseburger? Yes, sounds delish, but I am not at all hungry.

    Any more tasty recipes to share??
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    Celery
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    This is what I've been doing and it's pretty good. The ginger adds a nice little zing to it and it doesn't take much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    No, no, no, please! I do not mind at all talking about options and alternatives to a bike friendly/healthy eating program. What I am seeing though is a confusion between a 'fast' and a 'diet'...just hope people understand the difference. I hope everyone will try a 'juice fast' someday as it's a cool experience that is not nearly as hard as it seems...and, did I mention, you can still ride a bike?
    No confusion here, just a different choice, to me emptying your digestive system of fiber in at best giving you a temporary benefit, as it was designed to use fiber. So maybe you lose a few pounds that you immediately gain back. The amount of energy saved from digestion is maybe 5% of what you use, and if you body uses 5% more, then you'll burn more fat.

    The good news is, you've encouraged many to try something different with positive effects which is commendable. But personally, I can live with a couple pounds of fiber and $300 more bucks in my pocket--more $$$$ for hookers and blow-they are allowed right?? Just sayin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackho View Post
    No confusion here, just a different choice, to me emptying your digestive system of fiber in at best giving you a temporary benefit, as it was designed to use fiber. So maybe you lose a few pounds that you immediately gain back. The amount of energy saved from digestion is maybe 5% of what you use, and if you body uses 5% more, then you'll burn more fat.

    The good news is, you've encouraged many to try something different with positive effects which is commendable. But personally, I can live with a couple pounds of fiber and $300 more bucks in my pocket--more $$$$ for hookers and blow-they are allowed right?? Just sayin
    Again, a misconception and I mean no disrespect. The fast is meant to detox with a side benefit of weight loss. You will not have a more efficient detox if you are using your organs to process food internally...just not the same. Not sure how many different ways I can say this at this point.

    Additionally, I lost 20 lbs over a month ago with 10 days of fasting and I have kept it off fairly effortlessly (I gained back 5lbs but that's just food in my system). Additionally, I don't think your percentages are accurate...at all...did you make those up or are they sourced? I am not advocating people to not diet or that mine is better. Heck, diet all day long, that's great, wonderful in fact, but the fast and a diet are two totally different topics...I encourage you to do a little research and try it. Or not, I don't care...I just think it's a great detoxification program that's not the same as digesting fiber. Now, I have to do a line off this hookers back if you don't mind.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Oh wow-just had the first juice drink on the 10 day detox-wow that was something else-my head still hurts! That was something else. Says to drink over ice-unfortunately I didn't have any, I think the colder the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelson34 View Post
    Oh wow-just had the first juice drink on the 10 day detox-wow that was something else-my head still hurts! That was something else. Says to drink over ice-unfortunately I didn't have any, I think the colder the better.
    Atta boy! I promise you get used to it and it grows on you. Secret to a great drink...lots of carrots, celery and beats...helps hide flavor of the greens (which I now dig). Throw in an apple or pear to sweeten it up a bit. Good luck buddy!
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    My fiancé is doing it too-the ginger was the culprit! Strong taste. I'm still sitting here going what did I just drink?!? Maybe I'll at least have good breath?

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    Yeah, ginger will give it a kick for sure but ginger is also supposed to be good for the tummy. Wait till you throw some garlic in there or cilantro. Let's go follow LP/AR up Kennedy soon.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Yeah, ginger will give it a kick for sure but ginger is also supposed to be good for the tummy. Wait till you throw some garlic in there or cilantro. Let's go follow LP/AR up Kennedy soon.
    That juice deal worked out well yesterday I must admit. I was following you most of the time if I remember correctly. And let me say it again as per our conversation yesterday ... We kinda have to attempt the sub 40 to the top thingy ... stud !
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    Man-an hour later and I think I'm finally over the drink. Craving a nice juicy burgar now! Had a light salad with little dressing instead. Not going to weigh myself, I'd rather see how my pants and shirts fit as I go along. Maybe my fox shorts won't unbutton themselves when I sneeze would be a nice start!

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    I started over the weekend and today was my first day back at work so I made a big batch to take with me to get me through the day, I must say I can already feel the difference. Crazy part of this is normally the ONLY way I eat greens etc is on a burger, I have been adding ice since these seem to taste better cold.

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    I have a question though, how does it feel when I go to dinner after this and have a big rack of ribs or a steak. Does our body fight back?

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    Cool man! Should start getting easy for you now.

    I can't speak to the rack of ribs but I followed a strict ease back in diet my book recommended which entailed mostly veggies with the introduction of other foods (cheese, grains, etc) throughout the week. When I did get to pizza, it wasn't as satisfying...I craved healthy food...I have pretty much stuck to healthy since...kind of changes your taste needs in a good way.

    Keep it up and keep us posted!
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    We finished our three day detox and the last day we started to feel "normal" and we can not really tell what it did to us but we also made a plan how to go back to normal so we do not feast to much on the not so good stuff.

    We started today with the simple kale/banana/OJ smoothie which we really like.
    But in the moment I have a hard time to fight the mental urge of a nice cup of coffee.

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    We finished our three day detox and the last day we started to feel "normal" and we can not really tell what it did to us but we also made a plan how. to go back to normal so we do not feast to much on the not so good stuff.

    We started today with the simple kale/banana/OJ smoothie which we really like.
    But in the moment I have a hard time to fight the mental urge of a nice cup of coffee.

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    I started on Sunday, mainly to lose the belly fat (I used to be around 100kg in the begging of summer, and due to some lifestyle changes, including being vegetarian, got down to 75kg and stabilized there. With working out, the fat was being transformed into lean mass, but the friggin beer belly didn't seem to go way. It is kinda weird being able to see the top 4 abdominal muscle, and the bottom 4 being hidden by fat). Guess since I was vegetarian, it shouldn't be that hard. I am writing a log, I will publish that when I am done. I am going for a 10-day juice fast followed by a 5-day reintroduction to food. Also, I wanted my blood pressure to lower. When I was 100kg, the pressure was near 11-17, and by 75kg, it got down to 8-15. This is still too damn high, was the doctor prescribed medicine, which I never took. I am 22 years old, I shouldn't be needing medicine right now... The fast should help the blood pressure get back to decent levels.

    Questions:
    1- I have slept a lot less in these nights (like 5 hours), and waking up super-energetic. But since I am waking up at 4 am, I usually get back to sleep until 7am (my normal waking up time). I feel like **** by 7am, no-energy at all. Would you just stay awake from 4am, drink the hot tea and do whatever to kill time?
    2- Spinach juice has a horrible taste, and so does zucchini. I have read that raw brocolli isn't good. I am not fond on beetroot, but maybe it was due to the spinach. This basically leaves kale has the only green that I can easily drink. If I had one apple, the taste of juices becomes manageable. I have read you shouldn't mix fruits with veggies, but apple is ok. So, something like 25% kale/spinach/broccoli/beetroot or whatever, 25% apple, 25% carrot and 25% fennel/celery/cucumber seems ok? As the green juice, ofc. In the fruit juice, I use pear, kiwi, apple, carrot, mandarine. Just pick 3 and mix. The fruit juices are very tasty. I wouldn't mind drinking fruit juices the whole day, but I know I need the veggie ones. Any hints to make the taste less horrible? (I tried ginger and lemon, none of those helped)
    3- Since I have been drinking so much, I am pissing almost clear, and pretty often. On the contrary, after waking up, the pee has a solid color. Is it due to being from a larger time-frame (through the night?)
    4- Could beans, chickpeas, lentills be added? I like their taste quite a lot, but dunno if they yield any juice.
    5- Here I can't find fresh pineapple, only canned ones in "their own juice". Is it ok to use these? I know the nutritional value is lower, but should present another option for the fruit-juices
    6- Cauliflower, ok to juice?
    7- soy sauce or balsamic vinegar can be added to juices, to make taste more manageable?
    8- Whey protein powder shakes (with water) can be introduced in this fasting? I have been drinking them for a while (since I have been working out and being vegetarian to be specific). Can one of these replace the hot tea before bed?
    9- Should some salt be added to this fasting? Like a small pinch in the green juices. I guess we could lack the salt if we seat and dont replenish
    10- Coconut water for after workouts is acceptable?

    Hope you can help.
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    Hey G_g...way to go man! I am thinking your are not in the US.

    So, I am no expert but have thoughts here.

    First, I posted a book in the first page. Highly recommend reading (or internet searches) to get most of these questions tackled.

    Sleeping...most likely induced by stress not diet. Try a little Yoga before going to bed. Go to bed a little later perhaps. Usually when I wake up and know I ain't tired enough to go back to sleep, I read a book.

    I personally got used to the spinach/zuch/broccoli...think of your drink as fuel rather than a meal. Fruit with veggies is fine according to my book but just make sure you are getting 2/3rds veggie over fruit everyday. HIGHLY recommend getting a filter bag of some kind to reduce the foamy pulp which can give drink a gamey feel and taste...you don't need this pulp at all for a "fast". Your percentages above look dead on. Another key to my success was adding 2 TBS UDO's Oil every 1 Quart drink (not sure if that is available where you are). Gave me essential good fats and gave my drinks some body that was really nice.

    I think the dark pee you are seeing through the night are the toxins...good stuff....clear during day means you are drinking the right amount of water...good on ya.

    4) no idea
    5) personally, I'd avoid store bought but couldn't hurt I suppose...as long as it's natural (real) and organic.
    6) no idea...but think about adding bell pepper, cabbage, garlic, romaine lettuce (very high protein ironically)
    7) I am gonna say NO! especially if you are looking to reduce blood pressure.
    8) no idea...innernet that one
    9) No...celery had a crap load of salt in it already.
    10) no idea

    Can't wait to hear progress...I had a beer gut going strong and this fast really helped...and I've kept it off.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    So last night dinner was a plate of steamed broccoli and snap peas. Wow. We made our way to Safeway and bought the rest of the necessary ingredients for the next 4 days. Actually feel ok-energy wise and not terribly hungry. Tried the drink for today' menu last night-tastes like drank-cant wait. Work by Goldilocks this morning-breakfast is always a treat for me there-eggs and Tocino, but today ill be drinking my breakfast.

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    Yep, I'm living in London, but I'm from Portugal. I never check other location forums, just stumbled on this from the MTBR feed on facebook.

    I have been eating vegetables since I was a kid, but the lack of physical activity and eating loads of crap led me to the 100kg (which is a lot for 1.79m). Nonetheless, I am used to Olive Oil for cooking. It is surprisingly one of the best fats for oil, and there is one thing i Like a lot ( at least in the solid state: boiled spinach + garlic + olive oil. I'll try drinking that, just to see).

    Just discovered a whole foods market store that I can go to (the local market is on saturday, and I started on a Sunday.... yeah, dumb me. At least days 8-10 will have fresh veggies from market, as well as the 1st of the rebound days. I try to buy stuff often, even if in smaller amount, I want to keep the freshness as long as I can).

    I realized I need juice at least every 90min. More than that, and I start to lose some energy. The whey protein with water keeps me full for 2h or a bit more.

    All that I read lead in the way that exercise shouldn't stop during the juice fast, and that water based protein shakes are fine (they have no fiber, mine are over 80% protein, with the remainder being close to 10% fat and 10% carbs)

    Stay away from canned fruit, based on the interwebz. Whole food market to the rescue, if it is available. Coconut water recommended for after sweating to replenish what was lost

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    Alright I've been checking this thread for about a week and the peer pressure of needing a new toy has suckered me in. I went to BB&B with my 20% coupon and got an Omega VRT350HD. I just finished my first juice from produce already in the refrigerator. Couple apples, couple carrots, romaine lettuce heart, leftover chopped kale. That green drink was pretty decent with some ice.

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    Any difference between the regular lettuce and romaine lettuce? They seem fairly similarly, and the more I juice, the more I realise the dark green are the worst tasting to me. I can like with up to 1/4 of the juice coming from a dark green, but the remainder 50% that should be vegetables are usually occupied by carrot/celery/fennel/cucumber/beetroot (but not fond on beetroot to be honest).

    Got some suede, don't have it in Portugal. Will try it, seems close to turnip in smell, expecting taste to be somewhat similar.

    Also, sweet potato juice, anyone tried? Or pumpkin juice? Peppers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatdrewguy View Post
    Alright I've been checking this thread for about a week and the peer pressure of needing a new toy has suckered me in. I went to BB&B with my 20% coupon and got an Omega VRT350HD. I just finished my first juice from produce already in the refrigerator. Couple apples, couple carrots, romaine lettuce heart, leftover chopped kale. That green drink was pretty decent with some ice.

    There was a link for Reboot with Joe from an earlier post and I think I'll follow one of its plans.
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    Awesome! I was checking out those reboots and they looked great. To reiterate earlier comments, after the first 3 days, juice fasting is really easy so don't be afraid to try a longer one. Good luck and congrats!

    On a side note, been on this juice/diet change for over a month now and I undeniably can feel it in my riding. I am without a doubt stronger than I have been in a while...just rode my big 40lb DH bike up some steep hills here in LG, CA for a lunch ride today and it was remarkably easy...I contemplated adding another loop I felt so good...stupid work.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Or pumpkin juice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    ...just rode my big 40lb DH bike up some steep hills here in LG, CA for a lunch ride today and it was remarkably easy...I contemplated adding another loop I felt so good...stupid work.
    Dude, we need to hook up for these mid-day rides during the week. Likes me some Dogmeat pain!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by G_g View Post
    Any difference between the regular lettuce and romaine lettuce? They seem fairly similarly, and the more I juice, the more I realise the dark green are the worst tasting to me. I can like with up to 1/4 of the juice coming from a dark green, but the remainder 50% that should be vegetables are usually occupied by carrot/celery/fennel/cucumber/beetroot (but not fond on beetroot to be honest).

    Got some suede, don't have it in Portugal. Will try it, seems close to turnip in smell, expecting taste to be somewhat similar.

    Also, sweet potato juice, anyone tried? Or pumpkin juice? Peppers?
    What is suede? I know you can wear it or listen to it but eat it?
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    During the 3 day detox my GF lost around 5 pounds and I do not weighted myself but I had to tighten the belt.

    Like others said before it is really amazing how filling it is, I never was never hungry.
    Only the last day I got some little cravings but it convinced me enough to upgrade our old Juiceman Jr. to a little more sophisticated one.

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    tonight's juice:
    1 whole bunch of kale
    a few cups of fresh spinach
    1 bunch of parsley
    ~ 6-8 carrots
    2 pink lady apples
    1 granny smith apple
    1 lime
    small block of fresh ginger
    2 small red beets

    this may be the best tasting juice I've made yet....enough for a large glass for 3 people

    FWIW I juice a few times a week as a way of getting lots of nutrients in, but we are not fasting by any means

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    My SO is planning on doing this and I was thinking about joining in..

    That being said, I'm going to Vegas in about a month and will probably drink and eat a ****load for 3 days. With weight loss being my primary goal, is this a bad idea? I feel I'll gain weight back rather quickly due to metabolic adjustments from just those few days.

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    Protein powders ?

    Hi,

    My wife does a very similar diet routine quarterly. Except the juices are bit more fruit centric and she adds protein powders that were recommended by a doc. These are similar in content to what Hammer products use in their protein mixes for endurance events. I am wondering is anyone else adding a touch of soy or wheat germ ? If so, any side effects ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHANguyen View Post
    My SO is planning on doing this and I was thinking about joining in..

    That being said, I'm going to Vegas in about a month and will probably drink and eat a ****load for 3 days. With weight loss being my primary goal, is this a bad idea? I feel I'll gain weight back rather quickly due to metabolic adjustments from just those few days.
    I had the same dilemma sort of. What I found was after my cleanse was that I had retrained my taste buds and cravings. Though I had ample opportunity to eat crap but I found myself wanting to seek out healthy food. I think once you go this extra mile, you come out of it looking to maintain the health and work you put in.

    As for drinking, I boozed up pretty good over the holidays...I drank about half what I usually drink to but got knockered pretty good all the same. The hang overs weren't super fun but when are they ever.

    If you don't want to put pressure on your self, wait till after your trip and start eating better in the meantime...just a thought.

    Cheers to you for giving this a go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianb00 View Post
    Hi,

    My wife does a very similar diet routine quarterly. Except the juices are bit more fruit centric and she adds protein powders that were recommended by a doc. These are similar in content to what Hammer products use in their protein mixes for endurance events. I am wondering is anyone else adding a touch of soy or wheat germ ? If so, any side effects ?

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    From what my research has showed, you are getting the daily required protein from the green leafy veggie via Amino Acids. Someone also mentioned earlier that your body can only handle so much protein everyday as it is...I'd say not necessary but I imagine it couldn't hurt.

    here's a quote I found: "when you are juice fasting... you are taking it lots of amino acids. the amino acids are your building blocks for protein so you don't need to take in more. you'll be getting plenty!"
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    From what my research has showed, you are getting the daily required protein from the green leafy veggie via Amino Acids. Someone also mentioned earlier that your body can only handle so much protein everyday as it is...I'd say not necessary but I imagine it couldn't hurt.

    here's a quote I found: "when you are juice fasting... you are taking it lots of amino acids. the amino acids are your building blocks for protein so you don't need to take in more. you'll be getting plenty!"
    Some amino acids can be synthesized in the body using other aminos but there are 8 "essential" aminos than cannot. It's possible to get a complete protein (all 8) entirely from plant sources by combining legumes and whole grains but you can't get it from leafy greens.
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    So day three in this five day reboot. Last night had Roasted Acorn Squash for the first time. At first I was like what the hell is that? Then poked at it and took a bite-was'nt bad! Actually quite good, it had a few other fixings with it, but 'discovering' a new vegetable was cool.
    Just like everyone is saying, don't really feel any side effects of eating 'less' food like loss of energy. Actually feel a little more alert, which is good since my 2 year old demands my full attention as soon as I get home from work.
    Do find, which I think is true of any healthy eating program, costs more and takes more time to prepare meals. Which is why I guess so many people just go with 'fast food'. Not sure if I've lost any weight since I elected to not judge this by amount of weight lost. Wish i could get some rides in to supplement the detox, but running around with my son will have to do for now. Hopefully next time I go for a ride and sneeze-my short's button won't unbutton! That'll be a good sign!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWheels View Post
    Can you recommend a substitute for bananas? I'm allergic to bananas so a lot of the juice / smoothie recipes tend to be a problem.
    Do you go into bananaphalactic shock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelson34 View Post
    Do find, which I think is true of any healthy eating program, costs more and takes more time to prepare meals.
    I dunno about you but a full days worth of veggies and fruits to juice most of which are organic is costing me a paltry ~$7.00 a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger View Post
    Do you go into bananaphalactic shock?
    Always carry an Epi-penana...bahhhhh!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Dude, we need to hook up for these mid-day rides during the week. Likes me some Dogmeat pain!!!
    No doubt! My problem (which is a good one) is that I work from home and am never sure when my schedule opens up so I can never really commit to a specific time...I do however have the luxury of riding at least at some point during the day everyday which kicks ass! Anyhow, I'll PM you when I know I have a window. I am off to ride El Sereno now...seems cold out there.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    I'm getting the hang of using the juicer. Today was an orange colored juice with sweet potato, red bell pepper, carrot, apple and cara-cara orange. I still need to consume all the stuff already bought that is in the refrigerator before starting on any kind of fasting so the juice at the moment is just supplementing regular eating. Unless of course if someone has a juicing recipe for pacific cod...

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy f View Post
    Some amino acids can be synthesized in the body using other aminos but there are 8 "essential" aminos than cannot. It's possible to get a complete protein (all 8) entirely from plant sources by combining legumes and whole grains but you can't get it from leafy greens.
    Thanks Andy...I am definitely no expert by a long shot so appreciate the call out here. The articles I am seeing say you really do not need to add protein but nothing says it's harmful or a bad idea.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatdrewguy View Post
    I'm getting the hang of using the juicer. Today was an orange colored juice with sweet potato, red bell pepper, carrot, apple and cara-cara orange. I still need to consume all the stuff already bought that is in the refrigerator before starting on any kind of fasting so the juice at the moment is just supplementing regular eating. Unless of course if someone has a juicing recipe for pacific cod...
    Cod juice=gag reflex...even just thinking about it.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Thanks Andy...I am definitely no expert by a long shot so appreciate the call out here. The articles I am seeing say you really do not need to add protein but nothing says it's harmful or a bad idea.
    I'm guessing that they don't mention it because protein takes a lot more work to digest than the simple carbohydrates you're getting from juice and you said the idea behind what you're doing is to give those systems a rest while you cleanse. A free form amino supplement might fit in with that idea better than whole protein (chains of amino acids) since those can be directly absorbed into the bloodstream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markj2k4 View Post
    I dunno about you but a full days worth of veggies and fruits to juice most of which are organic is costing me a paltry ~$7.00 a day.
    I cant even come close to that, what do your drinks consist of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daytripper63 View Post
    I cant even come close to that, what do your drinks consist of?
    1 day =
    2 granny smith apples ($1)
    4 carrots ($.50)
    1 bunch of dino kale ($1)
    1 celery bunch ($1)
    1 fresh whole pinapple ($3)
    1 cucumber ($1)

    I also have thrown zucchini in there, parsley, braeburn apples, grapefruit, navel oranges all still $7-8 for a full day of juice.

    Admittedly I have an amazing local market that has incredibly cheap produce. If your using whole paycheck or big box supermarket I really can't vouch for prices. If you have a discount retailer or ethnic market locally I bet you can find good prices on produce.



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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    No doubt! My problem (which is a good one) is that I work from home and am never sure when my schedule opens up so I can never really commit to a specific time...I do however have the luxury of riding at least at some point during the day everyday which kicks ass! Anyhow, I'll PM you when I know I have a window. I am off to ride El Sereno now...seems cold out there.
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    Most expensive shopping trip at Costco ever!!! I hadn’t realised the Vitamix thingies were $500.00!!! I was under the impression they were around $200.00. However, I am impressed that the unit is 100% American-made using 70% American-made materials, and that it carries a 7-year warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markj2k4 View Post
    1 day =
    2 granny smith apples ($1)
    4 carrots ($.50)
    1 bunch of dino kale ($1)
    1 celery bunch ($1)
    1 fresh whole pinapple ($3)
    1 cucumber ($1)

    I also have thrown zucchini in there, parsley, braeburn apples, grapefruit, navel oranges all still $7-8 for a full day of juice.

    Admittedly I have an amazing local market that has incredibly cheap produce. If your using whole paycheck or big box supermarket I really can't vouch for prices. If you have a discount retailer or ethnic market locally I bet you can find good prices on produce.
    I am going to have to look around and see what else is near me, apparently whole paycheck is putting a dent in my bike fund from the looks of your prices.
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    I am going to have to look around and see what else is near me, apparently whole paycheck is putting a dent in my bike fund from the looks of your prices.
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    See if there is a sprouts market near you. They have a decent selection of organic produce and prices aren't nearly as bad as whole paycheck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Most expensive shopping trip at Costco ever!!! I hadn’t realised the Vitamix thingies were $500.00!!! I was under the impression they were around $200.00. However, I am impressed that the unit is 100% American-made using 70% American-made materials, and that it carries a 7-year warranty.
    You will not be disappointed. I've had one for over 6 months now and use it practically every day for a smoothie (banana/frozen berries from Costco/kale/oj usually). It grinds everything up, though when you make a smoothie with a thicker consistency like I prefer them you may need to use the masher to help it along.

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    For those of you who are fasting, how much juice do you drink in a day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrzyTuning View Post
    For those of you who are fasting, how much juice do you drink in a day?
    I was content with what my book recommended at 3 quarts a day (1 for B, 1 for lunch, 1 for Dinner) this alongside 3 quartz of water a day. You can have more or less...you can't OD on veggie juice. My wife who is much smaller coming in around 100lbs and finished her 5 day fast today, only needed half that.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markj2k4 View Post
    1 day =
    2 granny smith apples ($1)
    4 carrots ($.50)
    1 bunch of dino kale ($1)
    1 celery bunch ($1)
    1 fresh whole pinapple ($3)
    1 cucumber ($1)

    I also have thrown zucchini in there, parsley, braeburn apples, grapefruit, navel oranges all still $7-8 for a full day of juice.

    Admittedly I have an amazing local market that has incredibly cheap produce. If your using whole paycheck or big box supermarket I really can't vouch for prices. If you have a discount retailer or ethnic market locally I bet you can find good prices on produce.



    The only problem is that this "cheap" produce is not organic and at least a couple of the items are in the "dirty dozen", so the smoothie was like 50 percent pesticide! Apples and celery are like number one and two on the list - so you had a pesticide smoothie.

    Isn't one of the main points of fasting to eliminate toxins from the system?

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    I ended/gave up on my juice fast on the 8th day yesterday so I thought I'd chime in with my experiences.
    My primary motivation to try this is for weight loss. In the 7 days that I did the juice fast I lost about 10 pounds, since eating yesterday afternoon, I gained back 3 pounds already.
    Ideally, I'd like to drop about 15 pounds total to maintain a healthy weight(5'9" 153-155lbs) so I have probably 8 more pounds to go.

    During my fast, I did feel more alert and awake but I also felt like energy level were down. On day 1 and day 3 of the fast I tried to do my normal ride up Pleasanton Ridge. Both rides I was definitely more tired than normal when I got to the top. On both rides I cut my ride somewhat short by taking the most direct way back down to my car. On day 5 and 6 I tried to ride my new trainer and day 5 was ok but day 6 I had to stop after 30 minutes, juice, and then ride another 30 minutes.

    As far as food cravings/being hungry goes, the 2nd day of the fast was the worst day for me with pretty severe food cravings even though I wasn't really hungry, I just wanted to eat stuff for some reason. After the 2nd-3rd day, the cravings subsided somewhat but never really went away completely. My daily routine during the fast seemed to consist of waking feeling good, but as the day wore on I get more and more cravings until dinner time when I'm ready to give up and start eating again. Same thing happened yesterday and in the late afternoon I caved and started eating again.

    For the future I plan to stick to juicing and for now will replace 1 or 2 meals a day with juicing until I reach my weight goal, then I will probably switch over to blending for veggie/fruit shakes to maintain weight.

    Overall it was a good experience and I will probably do a 5-7 day fast once or twice a year and maybe some 2-3 day fasts here and there.

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    to clarify, over 50% of the produce there is organic, some lists as organic on the receipt, some does not. What isn't organic on there is the cucumber (which I peel) and the carrots, which isn't a high risk of pesticide contaminants.

    The apples, kale, celery, and parsley are organic despite the receipt you have to look for that produce with the "9's"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwu_1 View Post
    I ended/gave up on my juice fast on the 8th day yesterday so I thought I'd chime in with my experiences.
    My primary motivation to try this is for weight loss. In the 7 days that I did the juice fast I lost about 10 pounds, since eating yesterday afternoon, I gained back 3 pounds already.
    Ideally, I'd like to drop about 15 pounds total to maintain a healthy weight(5'9" 153-155lbs) so I have probably 8 more pounds to go.

    During my fast, I did feel more alert and awake but I also felt like energy level were down. On day 1 and day 3 of the fast I tried to do my normal ride up Pleasanton Ridge. Both rides I was definitely more tired than normal when I got to the top. On both rides I cut my ride somewhat short by taking the most direct way back down to my car. On day 5 and 6 I tried to ride my new trainer and day 5 was ok but day 6 I had to stop after 30 minutes, juice, and then ride another 30 minutes.

    As far as food cravings/being hungry goes, the 2nd day of the fast was the worst day for me with pretty severe food cravings even though I wasn't really hungry, I just wanted to eat stuff for some reason. After the 2nd-3rd day, the cravings subsided somewhat but never really went away completely. My daily routine during the fast seemed to consist of waking feeling good, but as the day wore on I get more and more cravings until dinner time when I'm ready to give up and start eating again. Same thing happened yesterday and in the late afternoon I caved and started eating again.

    For the future I plan to stick to juicing and for now will replace 1 or 2 meals a day with juicing until I reach my weight goal, then I will probably switch over to blending for veggie/fruit shakes to maintain weight.

    Overall it was a good experience and I will probably do a 5-7 day fast once or twice a year and maybe some 2-3 day fasts here and there.
    Terrific write up and nice work! Curious about a couple things:
    1) this was juice ONLY, yes?
    2) did you do a pre-fast diet or just jump right in? (pre-fast really helps with the first three days and weight loss)
    3) how much did you drink per day and did you equal that with water?

    What surprises me the most was that on the 8th day, your hunger was too strong to keep going. On day 8, I had zero food hunger/craving. Puzzling. (without doing enemas, the body is unable to get the nutrients so if you did not do this awkward step, may have contributed to the cravings as you may not have been getting all the nutrients needed to ward of cravings...just a hunch)

    Also, your weight gain is simply the weight of food in your body and water...fear not!

    Great job all the same...I am certain you purged lots of bad stuff and seems the experience was valuable.
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    So is your poo green?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Terrific write up and nice work! Curious about a couple things:
    1) this was juice ONLY, yes?
    2) did you do a pre-fast diet or just jump right in? (pre-fast really helps with the first three days and weight loss)
    3) how much did you drink per day and did you equal that with water?

    What surprises me the most was that on the 8th day, your hunger was too strong to keep going. On day 8, I had zero food hunger/craving. Puzzling. (without doing enemas, the body is unable to get the nutrients so if you did not do this awkward step, may have contributed to the cravings as you may not have been getting all the nutrients needed to ward of cravings...just a hunch)

    Also, your weight gain is simply the weight of food in your body and water...fear not!

    Great job all the same...I am certain you purged lots of bad stuff and seems the experience was valuable.
    Yup only juice. I got a cheapie Hamilton beach big mouth juicer off amazon for $40 cuz I wasn't willing to drop $200 on something I might only use for a week(looking to get an omega 8006 juicer now though)
    I didn't really do a per-fast, just jumped in. In fact, the day I started I went in with the thought of just trying it for 1 meal and seeing what happened. I even bought a sandwich for lunch in case I couldn't take it when I went shopping for all the produce.
    I drank a pint glass full each time I juice and I would drink 3 glasses a day if I didn't exercise that day. If I exercised, I would drink 1 or 2 more. As for water I would drink at least 3 or more pint glasses a day. I think more like 5 or 6.
    During the fast, it wasn't like I was feeling hungry, I think it was more wanting something that I knew I couldn't have. Hard to explain

    Looking back, I feel like I should have read the book first or did more research. I'm going to get the book and follow it next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    I was content with what my book recommended at 3 quarts a day (1 for B, 1 for lunch, 1 for Dinner) this alongside 3 quartz of water a day. You can have more or less...you can't OD on veggie juice. My wife who is much smaller coming in around 100lbs and finished her 5 day fast today, only needed half that.
    Just saw this. 1 quart of juice per meal. That's 2 pints so I guess I wasn't drinking enough juice. Maybe that's why I had the food cravings.

    Oh and I forgot to mention, the first 3 days I was dropping 2 lbs a day, then after that it was about 1 lb a day

    Again, I think it would be wise for anyone who wants to try this to either get the book recommended by squashyo or do more research before attempting. Don't do it half assed like I did, haha

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    My poo is not green! Day four of the detox. This morning's meal consisted of a fruit cup of grapefruit, mango, orange and mint. I think my tastebuds are developing a liking to this. Seems I can 'taste' something different in the food that draws me to it over processed food now. Last night we had a few chips on the table and I would usually go for those, but actually preferred the vegetable soup. We have been adding salsa or hot sauce to some of the food-need my hot sauce. Haven't been on a ride so can't say how this had affected my riding, but both I and my fiancé have both agreed we feel more pep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelson34 View Post
    My poo is not green! Day four of the detox. This morning's meal consisted of a fruit cup of grapefruit, mango, orange and mint. I think my tastebuds are developing a liking to this. Seems I can 'taste' something different in the food that draws me to it over processed food now. Last night we had a few chips on the table and I would usually go for those, but actually preferred the vegetable soup. We have been adding salsa or hot sauce to some of the food-need my hot sauce. Haven't been on a ride so can't say how this had affected my riding, but both I and my fiancé have both agreed we feel more pep.
    Dude, you are kicking ass buddy! Keep it up!

    Yes, I noticed an enhanced flavor setting especially when I started eating again. Try to get some cardio going if possible...let's ride soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwu_1 View Post
    Just saw this. 1 quart of juice per meal. That's 2 pints so I guess I wasn't drinking enough juice. Maybe that's why I had the food cravings.

    Oh and I forgot to mention, the first 3 days I was dropping 2 lbs a day, then after that it was about 1 lb a day

    Again, I think it would be wise for anyone who wants to try this to either get the book recommended by squashyo or do more research before attempting. Don't do it half assed like I did, haha
    Yeah, sounds like you could have really boosted your nutritional intake by more than double. Would've helped a lot I think. I went willy nilly and didn't do the pre-diet which made day 1 and 2 a little harder than normal. My wife just finished hers and she had zero problems all the way through (she did 5 days...wanted to go longer but a party next week shot it down).

    I hope you didn't dive right into a pulled pork sandwich...you really should ease back in with mostly veggies and fruit for 5 days.
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    I'm on day 5, the results in weight loss ain't that huge, but in terms of body fat/muscle definition, they are clearly visible. I can relate partially to pwu_1 cravings. I have been vegetarian for a while, so, it ain't craving for bacon or a steak or whatever. It is more like, I want to chew something.

    The sleep patterns keep awkward, but I always wake up full of energy. Also, the more free time I have, the rougher the desire to chew something is... If I keep busy all day, I don't have any. The whey protein + water keep me full for a while, and completely subside the desire to chew. Also, hot tea with a hint of honey tastes really good. I am embracing the green juice taste. It is survivable, not fond on that for now.

    Also, today I had to cook the veggies I had because the expiry date was approaching. After 2h in that damn kitchen, I now realize how long cooking took. I usually taste a bit of the food while cooking to know if it needs to cook longer/more salt/etc. I still did that, and the cooked spinach I tasted to measure the salt content were as good as ever. Weird that I like them so much even just boiled, but I can hardly stand their taste when raw. Hopefully it won't be half of a dessert spoon that ruins my fast. Even the small particles in the juice should be a lot more than what I ate...
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Yeah, sounds like you could have really boosted your nutritional intake by more than double. Would've helped a lot I think. I went willy nilly and didn't do the pre-diet which made day 1 and 2 a little harder than normal. My wife just finished hers and she had zero problems all the way through (she did 5 days...wanted to go longer but a party next week shot it down).

    I hope you didn't dive right into a pulled pork sandwich...you really should ease back in with mostly veggies and fruit for 5 days.
    I had some mandarin oranges and a little bit of trail mix as a snack and then for dinner had soup noodles(mostly soup) with mostly vegetables and a little bit of meatball.

    Day 2 of eating and I'm finding that I don't feel the need to eat as much as before to feel full.

    Definitely going to try and eat more healthy now and get more fresh fruits and vegetables.

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    I just realised that your 3 quarts of juice would equal around 3 litre... I make around 1l of juice per day, and dilute it 1:1 with water. To make those 3 quarts, I'd need a fckton of vegetables and fruit... I guess since I drink the whey protein, I don't need that many green fuel, but even then, 3 quarts of juice seems a lot now (considering how few juice the greens yield, at least compared to fruit)

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    Going to load up the bike on the truck tomorrow and sneak out of work early. Going to either hit up St Joes, Kennedy or maybe Santa Teresa for a quick ride around noon. Hopefully I'm not any slower than I was or loss of energy-I had none to spare! Thinking I will probably substitute 2 meals with juice at work as often as I can and eat a 'healthier' meal at home with the fam.

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    I am going on day 6 and still feel great, For breakfast I use mostly fruit with some spinach & kale or collard and almond milk and to get through the day I blend up about 3 pints with some pineapple or strawberries and mango, spinach, kale, carrots, celery, lettuce and coconut water and just drink a little every hour or two throughout the day.
    I do notice that if I wait to long to have a drink I start craving real chewable food but almost as fast as I drink my juice the craving for solid food subsides. I have dinner reservations for saturday night so lets see if I can eat somewhat well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daytripper63 View Post
    I am going to have to look around and see what else is near me, apparently whole paycheck is putting a dent in my bike fund from the looks of your prices.
    Thanks
    My local market was closed when I finally made it back to the neighborhood tonight, so I stopped at safeway for tomorrows dranks - I got all of the aforementioned ingredients all organic except the carrots and cucumbers (as before) and it was $2 more expensive (less the pineapple since I have a few at home - so add $3.50 for that).

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    UPDATE
    Feeling pretty good about myself. I had originally planned on a 3-7 day detox (or more), but instead I have been juicing during the day (usually 3 juices of ~20 ounces each) and eating a sensible meal (often organic and meat-free) for dinner and exercising ~4 days a week with one of those days being a big ride. The results have been fantastic thus far.

    My weight at the start of juicing (December 27th).
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    My weight today (Jan.12th) just over two weeks later (and a day after a big ride). Probably twice a week I have had big dinners at family gatherings, or watching football, but the weight still keeps coming off.
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    Definitely getting addicted to seeing the weight come off, even though I know I am at the stage where it will come off slower. I've been drinking less beer, eating less ice-cream (none in fact, though there are two 1/2 gallons in the freezer), avoiding fast food, and just eating less all around. This morning was a big deal. I was at a fundraiser at my daughters school and they had free donuts for all the volunteers. I walked over, looked at them (a few of my favorites were in there--old fashion and cake donuts), I smelled them and they smelled great, but then went to my car and grabbed an apple. Sure it was solid food, but I knew they would have donuts there, so eating that apple while others were scarfing down donuts...well, lets just say I felt pretty damn proud and knew at that point that I will indeed achieve my overall weight and fitness goals.
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    We have a dehydrator and dried apples saved me more than once when my sweet tooth started itching.

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    Well done

    By the end of day 7, I have dropped from 75kg to 69kg. That should be like 13 pounds. I guess when I restart eating, at least 3-5 pound will come back. If the body fat doesn't return, that is fine by me. I'll try to keep up to day 10, but today everyone at home made piri-piri chicken, a traditional dish from home. I ended up tasting the sauce with a bit of bread. I didn't eat the chicken, or anything else, but had to taste the sauce (both for respect to the cooker, and due to the smell).

    I am actually considering restarting eating salad tomorrow, and in Monday introduce cooked veggies, and by wednesday resume with my veggie diet. It is not that this is hard, but I miss chewing something. The idea would be juices through the day and salad at night. I still don't enjoy that much the darker greens, while lettuce and the other light greens are easy peasy. I guess since my eating has me losing weight since August, then getting back to it with the lunch and breakfast changed into juice, will only keep that behaviour. Basically, as long as I keep eating smart, it should be fine.

    Any idea why in the reboot with joe they don't juice exclusively for more than 5 days? Yesterday was rough for me, possibly due to the below freezing temperatures outside, but since the weather has been this cold, getting up in the morning is hard, I don't feel the same energy spike that I felt in days 2-5... Maybe my body is fighting the cold from the night (the heating is broken, so even inside, it is cold.) On the other hand, everyone else at home went sick, and I have been fine

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    How is muscle recovery on this diet? My gf and I are about to to take on a juice diet starting Wednesday or Thursday.

    I'm mostly vegetarian these days and tend to feel all of these bonuses described (more energy, more alert, faster on the bike, etc) when I go full vegetarian for weeks on end. Meat seems to slow me down. That being said, I'm a bike commuter that puts in 45 minutes of hard riding to the office and coming home and can feel the difference the next day if I dont have my hemp protein smoothie at the end of the day.

    Not sure if its just the green stuff that I put in the smoothie (hemp protein + spinach and kale) or the protein itself that makes me feel so well the next day but if I skip the smoothie I'm in pain trying to ride days in a row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTscoob View Post
    How is muscle recovery on this diet? My gf and I are about to to take on a juice diet starting Wednesday or Thursday.

    I'm mostly vegetarian these days and tend to feel all of these bonuses described (more energy, more alert, faster on the bike, etc) when I go full vegetarian for weeks on end. Meat seems to slow me down. That being said, I'm a bike commuter that puts in 45 minutes of hard riding to the office and coming home and can feel the difference the next day if I dont have my hemp protein smoothie at the end of the day.

    Not sure if its just the green stuff that I put in the smoothie (hemp protein + spinach and kale) or the protein itself that makes me feel so well the next day but if I skip the smoothie I'm in pain trying to ride days in a row.
    I can only speak for personal experience but I felt no ill effects mentioned above. 45 minutes both ways should be no problem at all as long as you are juicing at work. You will have so much energy that I think you will KOM this commute. One thing I would recommend however is to start on a Friday so that when Monday rolls around, you have hit that energy phase. If you start Wed/Thurs, you may find it hard to work as your body flushes the remaining foods and settles into the detox. I say try without the additional protein and if you find it's not working, have the protein on hand...either way, you're gonna benefit.

    ALSO, HIGHLY recommend doing the pre-diet (something I didn't do). Use the first three days to purge your system of bile/mucus/toxins by starting the day drinking a healthy shot of olive oil, garlic, and lemon juice. This tricks your system into thinking a double cheeseburger is on the way so takes into the stomach all kinds of bad stuff and bile to prepare for the digestion. You follow this shot with tons of raw veggies/fruit and herbal laxatives/liver tonic which flushes all that crap out. This really helps in detoxing in mass quantities right off the bat which makes for transitioning into the fast WAY easier. Most people say the first three days are rough but with this regiment, you can reduce and almost eliminate the side effects of starting a fast.

    Personally, I would read the book I mentioned on page one and follow that to a tee.

    Good luck and have fun...it's a wild but fun ride.

    Great job SOB and G-g by the way!
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    I finished up the 5 day detox on Friday. Went on a leisure ride to St Joseph's from Campbell around noon. Felt ok, had enough strength to make it up and back with no problem, but did feel a little lack of energy. Took a honey stinger package half way into St Joseph's which helped.
    Saturday and Sunday ate 'normal' food. Went to the supermarket to grab stuff for juicing this week. I know my pants feel looser and I feel better overall. I need to read the book further to understand this better. Overall I think this is something I want in my life. Thanks for starting the thread. Congrats to everyone doing it and those who tried and got something out of it!

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    I am on day 2 of normal food. Surprisingly, food doesn't taste anywhere near as good as it did before.
    I'll stick with fruit juice for breakfast, and keep juicing until lunch, and only from them onwards eat solid.

    I feel so full with so less food it is impressive. I lifted while doing the fast, but took protein shakes (whey protein and water), 1 scoop each (25g), twice a day. Never felt so good. Day 6 was rough, but I guess it is relate do a 10ºC drop in temperature in London.

    I am feeling pretty bad after dinner, I ate what would have been 2/3 of my regular meal and I feel like I'm going to burst (and it was a salad... I can't imagine those who go back to meat and whatnot may feel).

    Another problem with solid food is that it takes long to cook. It requires chewing. It requires dedicated eating time (I can easily drink juice and work, but fork and knife food isn't compatible with multitasking). Oh, solid food requires you to poop... Surprisingly, between days 4-8, I didn't require that xD And solid food produces gas in your intestines, just sayin. The GF noticed that today, I guess after a week of clean air, a small leak today made her rage about that... She reinforced the idea about extra energy.

    The only side effect from the fast for me was the weird sleep patterns. Waking up at 3 or 4 a.m. full of energy wasn't easy, and rolling to the other side and sleeping more is the worst thing one can do. By day 6 and 7, I was waking at 5 a.m., would drink the tea, watch TV/read book/reply to emails, to make time. Yesterday (day 8), went for a walk at like 6am, still dark, super cold, but perfect to clear the mind.

    I have been doing a diary, and I plan to keep doing that until like day 15 or so. By day 2 with food, regained under 2 pounds (I am on 70.0-70.1kg, the number floats). Even if I regain more weight, as long as it isn't fat (if it is only food and leftovers in the digestive system), I don't care about the weight coming back. The reduction in body fat is very noticeable, I could see difference on a daily basis, not through the day, but in the following morning.

    I also have pics of that, but dunno if they should end up in the internet. Unfortunately, no day 0 or day 1 pic, only day 2-8 (forgot today also...)

    EDIT: I only stopped after day 7 due to a social event this wednesday, and I wanted to give a few days to readapt. Day 1 of normal food was only raw vegetables and fruit (lettuce, tomato, corn and onion salad, some fruits) and juice.
    Today, I reintroduced cooked veggies, and since GF baked cookies, I ate two (my taste buds changed, I would have been all over that cookie tray, but not now...).
    Guess tomorrow I'll bring beans and similar, by day 4, put pasta and rice, and by day 5 carry on with my regular veggie diet. But changing the breakfast and lunch for juice will be forever, so much more energy in the morning. The oatmeal in the morning was a pain to digest in retrospective

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    Quote Originally Posted by G_g View Post
    I am on day 2 of normal food. Surprisingly, food doesn't taste anywhere near as good as it did before.
    What I noticed is regular food is SO SALTY, blah! I had vegetarian pho last night for dinner and got a migraine from the salt in the broth and chapped lips. Jebus, I don't remember stuff being so salty. I also ate a single ruffle chip and had to spit it out because it was so salty tasting.

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    What is the difference between eating the stalks of kale, celery, carrots
    vs consuming in the form of juice

    does the juicing actually break it down better so it absorb in your digestive tract better?

    obviously, I can't afford a juicer.

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    I think it just makes it more convenient to drink rather than eat a plate full of veggie delights.

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    Juice contains no fibre, hence no digestion required. My juicer was 30 pounds which is less than 50 dollars.
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    One thing I don't understand is the caloric intake when either juice fasting or juicing as a supplement to eating in a healthful way. Does counting calories go out the window when juicing is involved?

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    Well, juice must contain some calories. But way less than the raw ingredients. Fact is, while I was juice fasting, my body was "burning" almost 1kg of fat per day. Juice being a supplement to eating is what I am doing. Juices until the afternoon and solid food thereafter.

    The 2 pounds rebound from starting to eat only solid is disapearing, I re-lost 1 of those pounds. I guess I am not eating enough to fuel my body needs, hence losing weight. From what others have written, 3 quarts of juice per day was a lot more than what I drank. I had like 1 quart... I diluted that 1:1 with water. And drank over 2L water per day (over 2 quarts).

    I know that protein contains energy, hence being calories. I'm no expert, but everything you eat/drink should net some calories. Your body might spend more energy to break them down into usable stuff than their energetic value, but that should be other story.

    If you juice instead of a meal, or of a snack, I'd say count like 1/10 or something really low of what the food used to juice would net you in terms of calories.

    I mean, no way in hell would I be losing 1kg per day if I ate 4 apples, 1 pineapple, 2 oranges, 4 carrots, 1 kale, 1 lettuce and 450grams cellery per day. Most of the sugar from the fruit must go away with the pulp, leaving mostly the nutrients and vitamins. Do some extra research and shed us some light xD

    If juice fasting, just drink as much as you want. Just remember not to mix fruit and veggies in same juice (apples are exception), and I tried to drink 2 fruit juices per day (breakfast and dessert) and 3 veggie juices (morning/lunch, afternoon and dinner). I added 2 protein shakes (1 after workout and 1 before bed). Factor in you should be drinking 2l water per day, and you can have tea when you want, you'll have enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by thatdrewguy View Post
    One thing I don't understand is the caloric intake when either juice fasting or juicing as a supplement to eating in a healthful way. Does counting calories go out the window when juicing is involved?
    I think there are empty calories and good calories. Empty calories fill you up but your body isn't getting what it needs so it asks for more and converts a lot of it into fat. Veggie juice calories are grade A, 100% good **** so once you re-acclimate the system with this stuff, your overall appetite changes and you start to get by on less. I am not certain but almost positive that you can't OD on veggie juice and what you do put in gets used or flushed out rather than converted to fat.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    @ G_g why do fruits and vegetables not mix?

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    Has to do with the nutrient and whatever chains and how we process them.

    I read that online and asked a friend from biology and he confirmed they are somewhat different in the way we absorb them.
    It was too complicated for Me, so I took their word.


    Look it up online, it showed up when I did some research pre fast
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    Glad to see this. FWIW I have been mixing what seems like a ton of veggies and rotating between adding a large green apple and 1/2 a lemon or an orange and 1/2 lemon. Did not know that the citrus fruits were somehow depriving me of nutrients...fwiw I have not felt a lack of energy but then I am only juicing throughout the day and then eating a reasonable dinner (mostly vegetarian). I will say, that this mornings breakfast/lunch concoction of celery, kale, spinach, romaine, parsley, beet (leaves and all), carrots, tomatoes, an orange and a lemon was pretty tasty. My veggies are nearly out, so I just threw some of everything in there. Dinner was a baked potato with vegetarian chili and a bit of organic cheese and broccoli. Now time for Pilates.
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    Oh, tomato also doesn't fit nicely with veggies (I was told tomato is now considered fruit... it's due to high acid contents, dunno more details).

    Now, all the spices seem that their taste as been cranked up to 11. I tried a bit of mustard, and I was sneezing as soon as I ate that. Salt seems 5x as strong as it was, pepper the same, and vinegar now is unbearable. I dunno how I used all those things previously...Or at least, the amounts that I used, if talking about the spices...
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    Squashyo, thanks for starting this thread, I was looking into juicing when this thread came up. I was pretty much be a meat and potatoes guy before this and the only way I ate lettuce etc was on a burger (turkey burger) but mixing it up in the vitamix makes it all taste good, which was a little surprising to me. so far I haven't had a bad batch yet and going on my 10th day I am feeling great losing some weight and I have had no desire for meat so the plan is to just keep going on this til I get where I want to be then who knows maybe I will go semi vegan if there is any such thing.
    P.s. I too have noticed certain things like salts, spices being much stronger tasting now, but that is probably a good thing for me since I was trying to reduce my sodium intake before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G_g View Post
    Oh, tomato also doesn't fit nicely with veggies (I was told tomato is now considered fruit... it's due to high acid contents, dunno more details).

    Now, all the spices seem that their taste as been cranked up to 11. I tried a bit of mustard, and I was sneezing as soon as I ate that. Salt seems 5x as strong as it was, pepper the same, and vinegar now is unbearable. I dunno how I used all those things previously...Or at least, the amounts that I used, if talking about the spices...
    Botanically a tomato is a fruit, but nutritionally and from a culinary perspective it's a vegetable...
    But I grew up on a tomato farm, so perhaps I am a little too into tomatoes.

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    What evidence is there that drinking this juice removes toxins from the body, or that while not digesting your body has "down time" to do other things? That sounds bogus to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodninja View Post
    What evidence is there that drinking this juice removes toxins from the body, or that while not digesting your body has "down time" to do other things? That sounds bogus to me.
    I'd recommend reading the thread or Googling the topic. It's verified again and again via multiple sources and testimonials. I can only speak from personal experience which has been nothing short of awesome. Try it and let us know if it's indeed bogus.
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    Well, if you do some googling, this is what comes up...
    (Juice fasting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
    Scientists, dietitians, and doctors regard detox diets as less effective than water-fasting, and hence generally harmless but a waste of money.[7] Catherine Collins, Chief Dietician of St George’s Hospital Medical School in London, England, states that "The concept of ‘detox’ is a marketing myth rather than a physiological entity. The idea that an avalanche of vitamins, minerals, and laxatives taken over a 2 to 7 day period can have a long-lasting benefit for the body is also a marketing myth."[7]
    Detox diets, depending on the type and duration, are viewed as potentially dangerous and can cause "all kinds of health problems," including muscle loss, decreased metabolism, and an unhealthy re-gaining of fat after the detox ends.[8][9][10][11]
    Not to take anything away from your experience, but one can imagine the benefits may just have arisen from ingesting more veggies&fruit than what your baseline was before (in either juiced, or un-juiced form) as well as from eating less overall than before; one doesn't need a magical 'detox' effect to explain that...

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    Well, if you do some googling, this is what comes up...
    (Juice fasting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)


    Not to take anything away from your experience, but one can imagine the benefits may just have arisen from ingesting more veggies&fruit than what your baseline was before (in either juiced, or un-juiced form) as well as from eating less overall than before; one doesn't need a magical 'detox' effect to explain that...
    Well this is embarrassing. I guess Catherine Collins completely proved me wrong. Never mind everyone. Continue doing what you were doing before and save your money.

    Just kidding. I honestly don't care if people think its bogus...what I have read and seen first hand is that it does work. My blood pressure is normal, I am 15 lbs lighter and keeping it off with very little effort, I have far more energy, people have been telling me I look and act younger, I am riding like a bat out of hell, I have completely shifted my eating habits which would never been possible without the fast, and there was a clear and definite detox occurring during the fast that can only be explained by experiencing it in action. There are going to be naysayers and that's totally fine but I encourage everyone to just give it a shot and then make judgements. I can only tell you the program has completely changed my life and a dozen people I know we'll who took the dive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Well this is embarrassing. I guess Catherine Collins completely proved me wrong. Never mind everyone. Continue doing what you were doing before and save your money.

    Just kidding. I honestly don't care if people think its bogus...what I have read and seen first hand is that it does work. My blood pressure is normal, I am 15 lbs lighter and keeping it off with very little effort, I have far more energy, people have been telling me I look and act younger, I am riding like a bat out of hell, I have completely shifted my eating habits which would never been possible without the fast, and there was a clear and definite detox occurring during the fast that can only be explained by experiencing it in action. There are going to be naysayers and that's totally fine but I encourage everyone to just give it a shot and then make judgements. I can only tell you the program has completely changed my life and a dozen people I know we'll who took the dive.
    No problem - obviously it worked for you and those other folks; as you mention it helped change your eating habits, enough reason to be happy about it. I'm just trying to help more folks on board by pointing out that there really is no science in favor of doing those enemas , and that you could get probably get similar benefits by eating less overall and more veg&fruit specifically - blended, juiced, sauteed, in whatever form. Which I guess should be just common sense...

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    After eating for a few days, weight stabilized at the same it was after the end of the juicing. Feeling more energetic, and the sleep patterns are back to normal I am eating only from afternoon onwards.

    Everyone says I'm a lot leaner, and my lifting records keep increasing, so I'd say by no means I'm losing muscle. For the first time in my life, I look ripped.

    I have been vegetarian for a while, so I wouldn't say it is from having more vegetables in the diet.
    For me, the fasting turned the body into fat-burning mode, nothing like I had experienced before.

    It might be bogus, it seems to work for me. I'll do some blood tests to see if there is improvement
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHombre View Post
    No problem - obviously it worked for you and those other folks; as you mention it helped change your eating habits, enough reason to be happy about it. I'm just trying to help more folks on board by pointing out that there really is no science in favor of doing those enemas , and that you could get probably get similar benefits by eating less overall and more veg&fruit specifically - blended, juiced, sauteed, in whatever form. Which I guess should be just common sense...
    Yes BUT it is extremely hard for many to 'simply' go from a gluttonous diet to a 'rather dull' veggie diet with moderation. These diets inveriably fail and I have failed countless times in the past by saying I'm just gonna start eating better...she don't work. It is my strong opinion that the fast detoxes, removes certain addictions (fats, sugar, salt) , and retrains the taste buds to crave these healthy foods. I can't handle salty foods now. I have zero need for sugar or caffeine. And I eat less per sitting. This is simply something that never ever would have been possible for me had I not gone through the fast and the stuff that went with it.

    Hope that some are not turned off by these last few comments because I still stand strongly for a fasting alternative to better health and stronger riding. Word.
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    The proof is in the juice!
    I've lost nearly 15lbs, I am exercising more (more than just mountain biking once or twice a week), I am eliminating bad habits and starting good, sustainable habits and I am only juicing 2-3x a day and eating a sensible meal (heavy on the veggies). Is there a strong mental component? Sure, but that is the case with any diet change. And with any 'diet' you suffer the risk of putting back on all the pounds (or more) when that diet is over. We all know the most successful diets are those that lead to lifestyle changes that help ingrain healthy habits and choices. This may not be everyone's cup o' juice, but it can work (lead to a healthy lifestyle) if given a chance. I am a firm skeptic on many, many things; however, experiencing is believing, so there ya go.
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    There is no scientific evidence supporting the notion of "detox", nor of giving your digestive system a rest. It needs to rest like your heart needs to rest. Also, fiber is important because it helps the intestinal lining slough off old cells in a continual process of rejuvenation.

    People's wondrous and magical results are most likely a combination of:

    Eliminating bad food, either specifically or generally
    A micronutrient punch to the face
    Major shift in macronutrient distribution combined with caloric reduction
    Food reward / satiety issues, i.e. drinking a bland slurry will make you lose weight without feeling hungry
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    My veggie fast was an amazing experience and feel it did wonders for my body and mind. I guarantee that anyone who has done a veggie fast will tell you the same thing. Until you've actually experienced it or spoken with someone who has, in my opinion, you are speculating but that's fine - good on ya. I plan to do two a year...I highly recommend anyone curious to try it if you are looking for a healthy change that is lasting (and let's you log some biking miles in the process - which is odd because where did all that energy come from with no food in the system other than juice - head scratch). Now, off to make a big ole juice and figure out where I am going to ride today...weather is looking better and better over here in Norcal! woohoo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    My veggie fast was an amazing experience and feel it did wonders for my body and mind. I guarantee that anyone who has done a veggie fast will tell you the same thing. Until you've actually experienced it or spoken with someone who has, in my opinion, you are speculating but that's fine - good on ya. I plan to do two a year..
    I'm starting mine this weekend but looking to see how the changes compare to vegan weeks that happen on occasion. Sounds from your posts that you're already vegetarian but I'm curious how many of the other adopters on this thread have ever just quit meat/ meat products for more than a week to see how much better your body can feel.

    On my road bike, veggie weeks (not juicing) typically end with me averaging 1-2mph faster than weeks that I eat meat. Excited to see if this juice cleanse will bump that up any more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    My veggie fast was an amazing experience and feel it did wonders for my body and mind. I guarantee that anyone who has done a veggie fast will tell you the same thing. Until you've actually experienced it or spoken with someone who has, in my opinion, you are speculating but that's fine - good on ya. I plan to do two a year...I highly recommend anyone curious to try it if you are looking for a healthy change that is lasting (and let's you log some biking miles in the process - which is odd because where did all that energy come from with no food in the system other than juice - head scratch). Now, off to make a big ole juice and figure out where I am going to ride today...weather is looking better and better over here in Norcal! woohoo!
    Come on, we all know you're pushing juicers as part of a syndicate of juicer manufacturers and receiving kickbacks for every one sold as a result of this thread.

    Fess up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1soulrider View Post
    Come on, we all know you're pushing juicers as part of a syndicate of juicer manufacturers and receiving kickbacks for every one sold as a result of this thread.

    Fess up.
    How dare you sir?!!! My intentions are nothing short of honorable and for the well being of my fellow MTB community. However, for those of you that would like to sign up for my Veggie Juice Fast Training Course, Act NOW and I will throw in a bonus Mind Cleanse starter pack AT NO ADDITIONAL COST! Just $299.99 per minute it's a STEAL!!! (Will accept bike trade for Scott Genius 720 - 650B)
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    How dare you sir?!!! My intentions are nothing short of honorable and for the well being of my fellow MTB community. However, for those of you that would like to sign up for my Veggie Juice Fast Training Course, Act NOW and I will throw in a bonus Mind Cleanse starter pack AT NO ADDITIONAL COST! Just $299.99 per minute it's a STEAL!!! (Will accept bike trade for Scott Genius 720 - 650B)
    Are enemas included with that package?

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    Not trying to be a troll here but are beer/wine considered toxins. If so, is it because of fermentation? Is fermented food 'processed' food?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    where did all that energy come from with no food in the system other than juice - head scratch).
    A conversion to fat metabolism brought on by severe caloric reduction. The large amounts of micronutrients and small amounts of macronutrients probably held off a starvation response.
    People cleaning up their diet and switching to high-fat, high-protein, low-carb paleo diet exhibit similar "boosts" in energy and improved health markers. (Although not as rapid weight loss)

    I would bet you one e-dollar (i.e. not real money) that if you did lemon juice & pepper fast + enema, you would feel like carp, despite the "detox" and intestinal resting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssalinas View Post
    Not trying to be a troll here but are beer/wine considered toxins. If so, is it because of fermentation? Is fermented food 'processed' food?
    Ethanol is a toxin, but one which the body can metabolize. Plus the usual observational studies about red wine being good for you.
    Fermented foods are technically considered "processed", but are generally good for you (the non-alcohol variants), such as yogurt and other fermented soy products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanbag View Post

    I would bet you one e-dollar (i.e. not real money) that if you did lemon juice & pepper fast + enema, you would feel like carp, despite the "detox" and intestinal resting.
    What exactly does carp feel like? Salmon?

    Anyhow, to beat a dead horse...worked wonders for me and seems to be working for others I know who have actually done it. Cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Try this

    Get a bundle of kale - $2
    A bunch of bananas - $2
    High quality orange juice

    6-8 oz. of OJ
    4-5 de-stalked kale
    1 banana

    Blend it all up and drink this concoction everyday for two weeks. Eat your regular healthy diet. Obvious to not eat fast food, crap, etc.
    I do this but with almond milk instead of OJ and a scoop or two of flaxseed. Im gonna start trying it out with OJ now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    What exactly does carp feel like? Salmon?
    Hardly! Dude, get clue! Carp feel like eel or catfish. Seriously. Everyone in the NorCal threads took marine biology in college.

    Now, a carp smoothie… imagine the possibilities!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Act NOW and I will throw in a bonus Mind Cleanse starter pack AT NO ADDITIONAL COST! Just $299.99 per minute it's a STEAL!!!
    According to my wife, I don't need the mind cleanse (already empty), but apparently I do need the enema (full of crap).

    Read some of the naysayer posts this morning, but was too busy getting ready to ride to post up a hater reply that surely would have been an eloquently written, brilliant piece that would have swayed even the largest skeptic...instead I took the rigid single-speed out for ~42 miles with ~6600' of climbing (Bike Ride Profile | Whole Enchilada, Plus Quarry! near Auburn | Times and Records | Strava) and decided that was proof enough. Juicing all day, decent dinner at night (last nights pre-ride meal was a piece of salmon, a piece of bread w/garlic and olive oil and green beans with lemon-pepper. Dessert was a small handful of dark chocolate covered raisins.
    This ride was my longest, toughest CA ride yet. Surely my weight loss is what off-set my complete lack of energy...or maybe it was all mental.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.O.B. View Post
    According to my wife, I don't need the mind cleanse (already empty), but apparently I do need the enema (full of crap).

    Read some of the naysayer posts this morning, but was too busy getting ready to ride to post up a hater reply that surely would have been an eloquently written, brilliant piece that would have swayed even the largest skeptic...instead I took the rigid single-speed out for ~42 miles with ~6600' of climbing (Bike Ride Profile | Whole Enchilada, Plus Quarry! near Auburn | Times and Records | Strava) and decided that was proof enough. Juicing all day, decent dinner at night (last nights pre-ride meal was a piece of salmon, a piece of bread w/garlic and olive oil and green beans with lemon-pepper. Dessert was a small handful of dark chocolate covered raisins.
    This ride was my longest, toughest CA ride yet. Surely my weight loss is what off-set my complete lack of energy...or maybe it was all mental.
    After that ride, you're my hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    After that ride, you're my hero.
    Ha, thanks. The truth is, the weight loss really helps. Over the last several months, I could actually feel my gut (affectionately named 'my Camel Front') slowing me down on long rides. I do admit that I was a bit fatigued as I started my final climb up Stagecoach, ended up loosing traction on the first steep spot and spun out. Had to hoof it for a short stretch before I could get back on the bike and hit a good cadence up the climb. I would like to blame the new rear tire I was testing that I had pumped up to 40psi (long story), but my legs were pretty beat. Other than that, I feel pretty darn good.

    Another confession: Morning Green Glory Juice for breakfast, but I took with me a bottle of lemon water and a bottle of Infinite drink. And at the end of the ride, I though I might need some protien to help the muscles so I downed some garbanzo beans and a small chocolate milk...both organic.
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    I am really enjoying the energy I have now so it makes me think I might be willing to try going vegan or ? I am looking for different meal ideas and what do you snack on?

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    My gf and I are taking a cue from this thread but using the diet plans here:
    Juice Fast – The 5 Day Plan | WELLPICKED

    Started cutting out meat, dairy, gluten heavy food, sugar, and caffeine over the last week and went all juice except for dinner the last two days. Following the recipes on the link above for the next five days. Lost around 8lbs in the last week just cutting out all the bad stuff so I'm interested to see how much I'll lose over the next five days of juicing and the week of phasing back in solid foods.

    I'm 6'9" and float around 270lbs but have a goal to get down to 240lbs over the next few months, this is just a start. Currently at 278 today after putting on a bunch of weight over the holidays and backing off on the bike commuting without a similar reduction in caloric intake.

    Here are the recipes we're using for the next week:
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    6 leaves of romaine lettuce
    1/4 cup parsley

    Green lemonade
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    4 stalks of celery
    5 stalks kale
    2 green apples
    1 whole organic lemon, peeled
    1 inch fresh ginger root, peeled

    Beet Juice
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    2 large carrots, peeled and cut into pieces
    1 green apple, cored, cut into pieces
    5-inch piece of ginger, cut into pieces
    1.5 tablespoons of lemon juice

    Dinner is a glass of homemade cashew milk. Daily plan is green juice, water, green lemonade, water, green juice, water, beet juice, water, cashew milk. Rest and repeat the next day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    I know this because I used to be a seriously ****ing funny mother****er
    I just read this whole thread and it's true. You were funnier when you were drinking and eating meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorKal View Post
    I just read this whole thread and it's true. You were funnier when you were drinking and eating meat.
    I would laugh at this but I have no idea if it's funny. I just don't know anymore.
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    Everyone still juicing? I'm still juicing almost daily as a supplement to eating and haven't tried a juice fast yet. At least I'm figuring which vegetables tastes good... and what makes the poop really colorful...

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    My juicer is a few thousand km away from me atm, so, no juicing.

    The taste part, I wouldn't rely on the raw flavor or the juice. At least to me, cooked veggies (even if only boiled) taste way way better than their raw counterpart. You may end up getting an idea of what juices you enjoy, which is a big plus in case you want to go on a juice fast.

    I dunno why the colorful part is a reality, never had that problem...
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    I still juice most days for breakfast. So far keeping the weight that I lost during the juice fast off. I'm trying to loose a few more pounds but seem to be stuck at my current weight so might have to start replacing 2 meals a day instead of just 1. But yeah, I like juicing, I think its a good way to make sure I'm getting enough greens/veggies in my diet.

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    I have not yet done the fast... but I borrowed a juicer a couple months back and ended up buying an Omega VeRT 350HD juicer in January. We have been using it on a daily basis since the beginning of the year to supplement our food intake. I feel pretty good and will probably do a full fast sometime soon. Tough to find a window of time w/o any food related events to do a longer fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatdrewguy View Post
    Everyone still juicing? I'm still juicing almost daily as a supplement to eating and haven't tried a juice fast yet. At least I'm figuring which vegetables tastes good... and what makes the poop really colorful...
    I am still juicing for sure, got the SO into it too. As far as health and wellness I have been feeling amazing, I am now under 180 (down from 214) and the weight it still slipping off. I typically juice for breakfast and lunch and eat regular dinner. All home cooked food since the end of December (no packaged food/preservatives etc. no fast food and no junk.) I did have to make sure I was getting enough calories, sodium and protein... despite eating as much veggies as I want I was from time to time getting lightheaded upon standing, handful of peanuts a day - problem solved.

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    My gf and I are still juicing a good bit. Went on a very strict juice fast a few weeks ago with very regimented juicings but have been more laid back about it over the last few weeks. Started making crazy juice concoctions that end up tasting awesome.

    GF made a juice with red peppers, grapefruit, and ginger the other day, awesome! I made one this morning with pears, carrots, beets, and mint leaves from the garden, worked out well. She's got some idea about mixing cucumber with lemongrass for a juice experiment this week. We're lucky to have an awesome farmers market nearby so it's cheap enough to buy 10lb bags of beets, carrots, and huge piles of greens.

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    Everyone still juicing? I'm still juicing almost daily as a supplement to eating and haven't tried a juice fast yet. At least I'm figuring which vegetables tastes good... and what makes the poop really colorful...
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    Yes, still very much going strong. I have been starting every morning with a quart of juice and eat at lunch and dinner. Not losing weight doing this but maintaining constant weight and feel great. I caught that cold/flu a couple weeks back and it lasted all but 2 days. Not sure if it's all the nutrients I am plying my body with or if I just caught a weak version of the bug but happy it passed so fast.

    Have been also experiment with lots of different veggies. A jalapeno really gives the juice a kick. Also digging cilantro, Bok Choi, ginger, sweet potatoes (verdict is still out on that one), jicama, strawberries, pineapple core...lots of cool ****. The Super Angel is awesome1 Next fast is coming in July...plan to do it better this next time around.
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    Gone from ~190 to ~170. My goal is still to juice during the day and eat a sensible meal (with two treats a week). Admittedly, I have been cheating a bit more often with sometimes juicing just in the a.m. and snacking with greek yogurts, trailmix etc. On the plus side, I have been exercising more and so my weight is been staying steady in the low 170's. Getting ready to gear up for another push to get into the low 160's.
    Loving my Breville Juice Fountain JE98XL, easy to use, easy to clean and only $120 at BB&B (w/20% coupon).

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.O.B. View Post
    Gone from ~190 to ~170. My goal is still to juice during the day and eat a sensible meal (with two treats a week). Admittedly, I have been cheating a bit more often with sometimes juicing just in the a.m. and snacking with greek yogurts, trailmix etc. On the plus side, I have been exercising more and so my weight is been staying steady in the low 170's. Getting ready to gear up for another push to get into the low 160's.
    Loving my Breville Juice Fountain JE98XL, easy to use, easy to clean and only $120 at BB&B (w/20% coupon).

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    Dude, take those wet socks off and you're sub 170! Awesome job. (I also cheat from time to time...especially a day after a big booze)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ask View Post
    I have not yet done the fast... but I borrowed a juicer a couple months back and ended up buying an Omega VeRT 350HD juicer in January. We have been using it on a daily basis since the beginning of the year to supplement our food intake. I feel pretty good and will probably do a full fast sometime soon. Tough to find a window of time w/o any food related events to do a longer fast.
    How do you like the Omega 350?
    On amazon they are complaining about the spout design clogging up to easily,
    I looked at it at a store and looks like it could clog up easy but who knows.

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    How do you like the Omega 350?
    On amazon they are complaining about the spout design clogging up to easily,
    I looked at it at a store and looks like it could clog up easy but who knows.

    I think I have clogged up the VeRT juicer 2x in about 5 weeks and I use it 1 to 2x per day. The first clog was with large stalks of Chard... rookie mistake. The second was with an overly ripe / stringy pineapple... also my fault. Similar problem to the chard.... too much soft/fibrous material at once. Overall if you alternate textures in the juicer it works very well and does not clog. IE alternate between fibrous (kale, chard, etc) and more firm/grainy items (apple, carrot, cucumbers, etc), then the juicer works like a champ.

    I really like the Omega VeRT juicer... small footprint, quick/easy to clean, slow rpm (low froth/heat), and very dry waste material. It is also much easier to feed than the Juiceman... we borrowed a Juiceman classic. The VeRT pulls items into the auger the items vs needing to force items in w/ a plunger. Also the VeRT has a wiper mechanism that clears the screen as it runs, so there is less need to scrub fibers out of the screen during cleanup.

    My advice is get it at Bed Bath and Beyond... use a 20% off coupon (they will honor them on almost any item... even expired or exempt brands)... use it for a couple weeks. Return it if you don't like it. They will take almost any return.

    Here is a good video to watch regarding clogging the Omega... this guy is a bit over zealous / serious juice fan. He also goes a little overboard with cutting items into tiny chucks and going super slow IMO. I have found that you don't have to wait this long or cut up items so much

    Last bit of advice... run water though the unit after you are done using it. The water helps make cleanup a bit quicker and clears out the last bit of material. Hope this helps.


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    Great advice about alternating textures. I actually like combining textures, seems to get more juice and reduce clogging. I'll normally put a stalk of celery or a carrot in side of the opening while the other half of the opening is filled with romaine/kale. Really just anything solid to go in with the leafy fibrous veggies, apples/pears, carrots/celery, cucumbers. Too many stalks of greens and our cheapo braun juicer will get really bogged down.

    Has anyone had success with rejuicing the pulp to get more juice? Apparently you can get a ton more juice by running the pulp through again but I ended up getting less than half a cup and making a mess the last time I made 32+oz of juice.

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    Admittedly I didnt read the whole thread but I did scan it..

    I dont see the benefit of juicing except to get fresh, delicous juice. For that I totally get it.

    But...it looks to me that when you juice your losing the fiber and some of the nutrients, but keeping all the sugars and calories.

    So for those that are juicing up recipes like apples,kale, and cucumbers...whatever, why not just eat those items in their raw state? Your keeping the nutrients and fiber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhack View Post
    Admittedly I didnt read the whole thread but I did scan it..

    I dont see the benefit of juicing except to get fresh, delicous juice. For that I totally get it.

    But...it looks to me that when you juice your losing the fiber and some of the nutrients, but keeping all the sugars and calories.

    So for those that are juicing up recipes like apples,kale, and cucumbers...whatever, why not just eat those items in their raw state? Your keeping the nutrients and fiber.
    The idea of the fasting is to avoid fibre, solids and whatnot so that your digestive system can shut down. If you eat the fruits, you'll need to digest them. At least I got more energy in the days I fasted compared to now, the average day.

    I lost some weight (regained some of it, the food in the "plumbings" weights something), felt good, and realized some of the things I used to eat are not that sensible. I'll probably do it again, but instead of 10 days, I'll do a shorter period, like 5 days, but with a proper introduction (3 days before I start adjusting my diet). Bear in mind I'm vegetarian, so it isn't that much different in terms of what to buy, but more about eating raw stuff (and avoid the snacks... it doesn't matter how many diets I do, I always end up buying some sort of crisps or whatever a few weeks later. Luckily now I get healthier snacks, and even started making my own muffins and cookies with way less sugar, and made with whole flour etc etc)

    So, in short, the difference between eating and drinking is the digestion
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    The biggest advantage of doing a juice fast is that you give your digestive system a break by getting all of the nutrients from the vegetables and fruits in an easy to digest liquid form. You can intake the nutrients from several platefuls of veggies in a glass or two of juice. All the fiber does is slow down your digestion and make your body work harder to break down the food and extract the nutrients. The thought is that your body burns so much energy through digestion that could be spent healing tissue or fighting infections and diseases.

    Going raw vegan with the fast puts your body into a different digestive process as well where you start to burn fat for fuel rather than sugars/carbs in your belly. Most of the talk in this thread has been about a lot of green juice with very little fruit added. Green veggies work wonders to put your body into a alkaline state which allows your immune system to work better. There are a ton of benefits to lowering the acidity of your body, faster muscle recovery being one of the biggies among the athletic community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G_g View Post
    The idea of the fasting is to avoid fibre, solids and whatnot so that your digestive system can shut down. If you eat the fruits, you'll need to digest them. At least I got more energy in the days I fasted compared to now, the average day.

    I lost some weight (regained some of it, the food in the "plumbings" weights something), felt good, and realized some of the things I used to eat are not that sensible. I'll probably do it again, but instead of 10 days, I'll do a shorter period, like 5 days, but with a proper introduction (3 days before I start adjusting my diet). Bear in mind I'm vegetarian, so it isn't that much different in terms of what to buy, but more about eating raw stuff (and avoid the snacks... it doesn't matter how many diets I do, I always end up buying some sort of crisps or whatever a few weeks later. Luckily now I get healthier snacks, and even started making my own muffins and cookies with way less sugar, and made with whole flour etc etc)

    So, in short, the difference between eating and drinking is the digestion
    I will add that you can only eat so many carrots and such in one meal. For me, juicing gives me the ability to ingest massive amounts of pure nutrients from a wide variety of sources (kale, carrots, bell peppers, cucs, etc) in one sitting without having to contend with the fiber which I can get throughout the rest of my day. The actual fast is awesome but does require zero fiber so you can heal, detoxify and reallocate energy...the juice allows you to get nutrients so you can stay healthy and energetic. Highly recommend or check out some of the movies/books mentioned throughout the thread.
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    Ah ok I get it..interesting. Thanks for the insight.

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    @ ask, thanks for the info and yes that guy is a little out there.
    I was not thinking BB&B would give you 20% off on such a expensive item,
    but with that discount that juicer gets close to the price of the 8004 so I might go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhack View Post
    Admittedly I didnt read the whole thread but I did scan it..

    I dont see the benefit of juicing except to get fresh, delicous juice. For that I totally get it.

    But...it looks to me that when you juice your losing the fiber and some of the nutrients, but keeping all the sugars and calories.

    So for those that are juicing up recipes like apples,kale, and cucumbers...whatever, why not just eat those items in their raw state? Your keeping the nutrients and fiber.
    There is no scientific evidence for "detox" or "giving your digestive system a rest". It needs to rest like your heart needs to rest. The majority of "energy" used in digestion is not from physically pushing solid food thru the system, but happens on a microscopic level, e.g. breaking down proteins into amino acid, converting amino acids into sugars, sugars into fats, etc.

    Keep in mind that there are two types of fiber:soluble and insoluble. The former carries nutrients with it and gets absorbed by the body. The latter gives your intestinal lining the scrubbing it needs to slough off cells in its normal process of rejuvenation.

    Most food nuts have seen the Lustig lecture "Sugar: The bitter truth", where he ironically states that "fructose is a toxin... But fruit is ok!" Fruit is basically fructose, plus some fiber (a buffer of sorts) and nutrients. IF you "juice" an apple, pear, grape, etc, you now have the same commodity sugar water filler that you see in most grocery store juices. A no-fiber fructose veggie drink is like Gatorade with a Centrum.

    With that being said, there are a lot of benefits to juicing or even blending. One is getting a micronutrient punch to the face. Another is that it's faster and easier than cooking. Also, you can power down disgusting things that you normally wouldn't eat, like beets, bitter greens, celery stalks, etc.

    There's really only two things I recommend against. One is going on a full-time zero-fiber fast. The other is believing some of the pseudoscience behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanbag View Post
    There is no scientific evidence for "detox" or "giving your digestive system a rest". It needs to rest like your heart needs to rest. The majority of "energy" used in digestion is not from physically pushing solid food thru the system, but happens on a microscopic level, e.g. breaking down proteins into amino acid, converting amino acids into sugars, sugars into fats, etc.

    Keep in mind that there are two types of fiber:soluble and insoluble. The former carries nutrients with it and gets absorbed by the body. The latter gives your intestinal lining the scrubbing it needs to slough off cells in its normal process of rejuvenation.

    Most food nuts have seen the Lustig lecture "Sugar: The bitter truth", where he ironically states that "fructose is a toxin... But fruit is ok!" Fruit is basically fructose, plus some fiber (a buffer of sorts) and nutrients. IF you "juice" an apple, pear, grape, etc, you now have the same commodity sugar water filler that you see in most grocery store juices. A no-fiber fructose veggie drink is like Gatorade with a Centrum.

    With that being said, there are a lot of benefits to juicing or even blending. One is getting a macronutrient punch to the face. Another is that it's faster and easier than cooking. Also, you can power down disgusting things that you normally wouldn't eat, like beets, bitter greens, celery stalks, etc.

    There's really only two things I recommend against. One is going on a full-time zero-fiber fast. The other is believing some of the pseudoscience behind it.
    Excuse me while I put on this broken record...one sec.

    Science or not, I did the fast and know personally MANY who have as well...results were dramatic, verifiable, and visible. Everyone I know who has tried this correctly have been thoroughly impressed with the results and the ease with which to accomplish. Give it a shot and tell me it's fake...I think you will be hard pressed to prove me wrong. Or don't. Whatever. I get your MO. Last response from me to you but I do think your icon is funny.
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    I dunno why you need to be defensive, as your experience doesn't disprove anything I said. e.g. "feeling great and full of energy" does not prove the existence of "detox" and "intestinal resting". And nothing I said implies that eating liquid veggies is bad.

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    Frikkin’ Vita Mix suddenly stopped working tonight. Fortunately it’d almost made a perfect smoothie consistency (a little more blending time would have been optimal) before crapping out. Just plain stopped working. Unplugged it, let it sit for a few minutes, plugged it back in, still no workie. The real sh¡tter is that we’ve had it for just a bit more than one month, and have used it perhaps just a dozen times. It has a 7-year warranty, I just hope we can take it back to Costco for a replacement without having to deal with the “send back the unit to the manufacturer and wait with your fingers crossed for six weeks while we try to find a reason to try and pin the blame on you, the consumer” .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ask View Post
    Here is a good video to watch regarding clogging the Omega... this guy is a bit over zealous / serious juice fan. He also goes a little overboard with cutting items into tiny chucks and going super slow IMO. I have found that you don't have to wait this long or cut up items so much
    I have VRT350 as well and use to get clogging with celery until I saw that youtube video that you posted. The guy recommends chopping the celery into 1/8 to 1/4 inch pieces and that solved the clogging. It's all in the prep work, once it is done properly like you said gravity feeds everything through, I almost never use the plunger.

    One thing I notice, after juicing when I need to remove the bowl from the motor unit I have to whack the feeder outlet hard counterclockwise to get it to release. Does yours release any easier?

    Quote Originally Posted by acer66 View Post
    @ ask, thanks for the info and yes that guy is a little out there.
    I was not thinking BB&B would give you 20% off on such a expensive item,
    but with that discount that juicer gets close to the price of the 8004 so I might go for it.
    Yep, I used the 20% coupon from BB&B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatdrewguy View Post
    One thing I notice, after juicing when I need to remove the bowl from the motor unit I have to whack the feeder outlet hard counterclockwise to get it to release. Does yours release any easier?
    Mine does this too... seemed like it took a few weeks for the bowl to get tight though. When I first bought it, the bowl was not as tight. Since then I guess I had gotten used to / forgotten about it. This would be my one criticism of this juicer. Other than that, (like you said) once you get the prep down, it rocks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask View Post
    Mine does this too... seemed like it took a few weeks for the bowl to get tight though. When I first bought it, the bowl was not as tight. Since then I guess I had gotten used to / forgotten about it. This would be my one criticism of this juicer. Other than that, (like you said) once you get the prep down, it rocks!
    Good to know, mines been like that from the beginning. At least there's a 10 year warranty on the juicer. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanbag View Post
    There is no scientific evidence for "detox" or "giving your digestive system a rest". It needs to rest like your heart needs to rest. The majority of "energy" used in digestion is not from physically pushing solid food thru the system, but happens on a microscopic level, e.g. breaking down proteins into amino acid, converting amino acids into sugars, sugars into fats, etc.

    Keep in mind that there are two types of fiber:soluble and insoluble. The former carries nutrients with it and gets absorbed by the body. The latter gives your intestinal lining the scrubbing it needs to slough off cells in its normal process of rejuvenation.

    Most food nuts have seen the Lustig lecture "Sugar: The bitter truth", where he ironically states that "fructose is a toxin... But fruit is ok!" Fruit is basically fructose, plus some fiber (a buffer of sorts) and nutrients. IF you "juice" an apple, pear, grape, etc, you now have the same commodity sugar water filler that you see in most grocery store juices. A no-fiber fructose veggie drink is like Gatorade with a Centrum.

    With that being said, there are a lot of benefits to juicing or even blending. One is getting a micronutrient punch to the face. Another is that it's faster and easier than cooking. Also, you can power down disgusting things that you normally wouldn't eat, like beets, bitter greens, celery stalks, etc.

    There's really only two things I recommend against. One is going on a full-time zero-fiber fast. The other is believing some of the pseudoscience behind it.
    When I first started researching 'juicing detox' years ago I could not find much if any scientific evidence supporting it (doctors etc). Today, not a lot has changed. The difference though, is now you can find the many more experiences of people who have actually done it and testify to the results. This time around I actually researched the people who wrote articles disputing juicing and found many to be writers for a health column or magazine, with no nutritional background, or nutritionists and doctors who only cautioned the dangers. Most were very old and clearly out of touch...no offense to old, out of touch people (ie. one being a retired AF doctor who has written a few articles themed against juicing). Many articles have quotes with links, many of them to newspaper/web articles written by writers, not scientists. Many articles also have the popular quote that there is no scientific evidence supporting the benefits of juicing... Of course it is not pointed out that there is no scientific study disputing the touted benefits of juicing. Because Juicing can be bad for some (diabetics etc.) in this litigious society, I can see why some medical professionals would warn against it rather than encourage it (as it is not for everyone). Keep in mind it use to 'not' be o.k. to exercise if you had a cold or sinus infection, but science has caught up and determined that it is likely to do not harm.
    I guess my point is, don't knock it till you tried it. I have tried it, and I have lost a ton of weight (or about a hundredth of a ton to be more exact). As far as just detoxing, I can agree that it is less likely to help as it is a temporary gig, that, like any fad diet, won't be useful unless it is followed by a lifestyle change. I (and many others) have made juicing part of a lifestyle (one or two meal replacement) that when combined with a healthy meal, will certainly lead to weight loss or better health (for many reasons). As humans, our bodies are made to eat (mainly veggies) so that should not be taken away (as you stated, fiber is a good thing), but in today's society of processed foods, meat over-consumption, steroids and bio-engineered foods, I see juicing as only positive as there is no way I could eat all the veggies I juice (though I agree that one 'would' lose weight if they just ate the veggies).
    Of course the juicing bandwagon is not for everyone. No need to jump on...no need to knock those that do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.O.B. View Post
    I guess my point is, don't knock it till you tried it.
    I did not "knock it". I am only knocking the pseudo-scientific reasons attributed to its success. Somewhere along the way, people "made up" reasons why juicing works, and because they have awesome results, they think it was due to those reasons. I could equally "make up" reasons and say the awesome results are due to eating raw chlorophyll.

    Two pages ago I spelled out reasons why I think juicing works well for people, namely the major shift in micro- and macro-nutrient composition in diet, etc, and this at least has semblance of scientific backing. I also proposed that if one thinks that the results are due to "detox" and "intestinal resting", there is another diet that also provides that, and they should try this much easier version to see if they wouldn't still feel awesome.

    I have very little doubt that if I got off my thin but hypocritical ass and actually ate more vegetables, whether juiced, blended, steamed, sauteed, or fried and surrounded by meats and fats to increase palatability, I would also feel more awesome. However, I am not going to go on a full-time no-fiber juice diet. I come from an ancient culture with medical history going back thousands of years, where the elders like to ask at the dinner table, "How have you been pooping recently?" Thus I give the squinty eye emoticon to any eating style that will have me squirting out the most vile goo imaginable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanbag View Post
    I come from an ancient culture with medical history going back thousands of years, where the elders like to ask at the dinner table, "How have you been pooping recently?" Thus I give the squinty eye emoticon to any eating style that will have me squirting out the most vile goo imaginable.
    Then you definitely DON"T want to try my morning 'beet' glory recipe. That first poop gave me these eyes -->

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Frikkin’ Vita Mix suddenly stopped working tonight. Fortunately it’d almost made a perfect smoothie consistency (a little more blending time would have been optimal) before crapping out. Just plain stopped working. Unplugged it, let it sit for a few minutes, plugged it back in, still no workie. The real sh¡tter is that we’ve had it for just a bit more than one month, and have used it perhaps just a dozen times. It has a 7-year warranty, I just hope we can take it back to Costco for a replacement without having to deal with the “send back the unit to the manufacturer and wait with your fingers crossed for six weeks while we try to find a reason to try and pin the blame on you, the consumer” .
    Costco will take it back, with no issue. We're on our 7th iRobot Roomba in 5 years. We've had our vitamix for a couple years, using it almost daily for the past 6 months, it's still going strong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackho View Post
    Costco will take it back, with no issue. We're on our 7th iRobot Roomba in 5 years. We've had our vitamix for a couple years, using it almost daily for the past 6 months, it's still going strong
    Funny thing happened many hours later last night… I decided to plug it in and power it on again and it is functioning just fine. Not sure WTF to think now. I guess it just needed to “cool down” since the basic smoothie I had it make was too much for it—not as if I were trying to break up tree branches with it or anything.
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    I was thinking about a fast at the beginning of this thread but at 5'9" 145 I'm not sure I need to lose 15lbs. Maybe that beanbag is onto something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Funny thing happened many hours later last night… I decided to plug it in and power it on again and it is functioning just fine. Not sure WTF to think now. I guess it just needed to “cool down” since the basic smoothie I had it make was too much for it—not as if I were trying to break up tree branches with it or anything.
    Were you by any chance running it at the variable speed for an extended period of time? Some of the Vitamix machines do not cool their motors efficiently when run at variable speed, which is why you should switch the left switch up to High when making smoothies. If you were running it on High and it happens again then there's something weird going on and you should probably take it in because it shouldn't overheat making normal smoothies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timbo2000 View Post
    I was thinking about a fast at the beginning of this thread but at 5'9" 145 I'm not sure I need to lose 15lbs. Maybe that beanbag is onto something.
    My wife weighs all but 98 lbs and she recently finished her first 5 day fast with 3 day pre-diet (all veggies with the fiber) and a 7 day ramp up. She lost something like 5lbs total. It's not a starvation and you'll only lose the fat you don't need. Give it a try...you won't regret it! Also, above, I think your spell check turned 'on' into 'onto'.
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    I did the deal vitamix style for 10 days, followed by 2 weeks juice for breakfast/ lunch. I only lost 5 lbs, but it's stayed off and I'm losing approx 1 lb/week. Just by juicing in am and paleo-ish dinners for lunch/dinner. My rating is 100% healthier. So thanks to Squashyo, although I still think vegans/vegetarians have some latent homosexual issues
    Not that there is anything wrong with it. I noticed the more veggies I eat the more Lady Gaga I listen to-just sayin

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    I am a Vegetarian for over 15 years and never had the urge to listen to the lady,
    your mind was maybe just too clouded by the non veggie food so that you did not realize that you like her.

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    While, admittedly, my wife does look like a small Asian boy when she wears a baseball cap on backwards, the ingesting of carrots, cucumbers, zucchini, and other phallic vegetables does not prevent me from obsessing over the Veejayjay and the Tee-Tahtahs. Though I do feel I may be a lesbian trapped inside a male body.
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    Uh oh duplicates, glad everyone has a sense of humor. Rumor is Squashyos not funny anymore and I'm stuck in Denver airport for 2 mo hours with the wife and daughters. PS watching that juicing vid didn't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanbag View Post
    I come from an ancient culture with medical history going back thousands of years, where the elders like to ask at the dinner table, "How have you been pooping recently?" Thus I give the squinty eye emoticon to any eating style that will have me squirting out the most vile goo imaginable.
    That never happened to me... I simply had no need to poop from like day 4 to 11 or so (it took me like 2 days after I restarted eating to need to poop again). I did piss like a horse, since I should be drinking over a gallon a day (3 juices, each one around 2 pints, would give me over half a gallon. Plus the water, tea, and protein shakes, close to 1,5 gallons a day. That is a lot of water, but I guess there is no real reason for one to poop if one is eating no waste. Maybe my juicer yielded even drier pulp, which mean close to no fibre, giving no solid waste?)

    Another thing, was zero farts and zero borborigmos while on the fast. Apparently my lactose intolerance is a lot bigger after the fast than it was before. Not that one should drink much milk anyway, and there are still lactose-free variants if I really want it. I have no problem with cheese or yoghurt
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    Day two for me on this cleanse, great thread.

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    I wish I had seen this thread earlier. I watched Joe’s movie about six months ago and tried the 30 day challenge.
    Here was my experience.
    I was raised on meat and potatoes with large amounts of milk. In fact, between my brother and Dad and I, we drank about a gallon a day. This continued into my adult life well into my 30s. Recently my Dad passed away having all kinds of health issues associated with eating habits. Diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, etc. About two years ago a doctor told me I had high blood pressure. Without realizing, I had taken the same road as my Dad.
    Instead of taking pills, I bought a bike. It helped that I have a lot of great trails accessible from my garage. Although I felt better initially, I hadn’t made enough change in my life to make a difference. Not enough riding combined with the same old eating habits. Something needed to permanently change.
    So, I tried the juicing system for a month knowing full well it wasn’t going to be permanent. One month of inconvenience. To be quite honest, it’s a pain in the ass. All the trips to the store or farmers market to keep us in fruit and vegetables (my wife did it with me), quickly became tedious. The cravings were big. I wanted chips and salsa so bad I found myself hiding at work with a handful of Tostitos. I felt like I was hiding a heroine habit.
    Overall, I stayed with the juice for a month. Because it was over the holidays, I had the occasional meal. I’ll admit, it was tough. Deep seated social eating habits.
    The month went by and I came out of it fairly happy. I’m not constantly sucking in my gut. I look to healthier choices instead of a Double Double with grilled onions. The biggest change I made that had the biggest impact was eliminating the dairy products. I have completely eliminated milk from my life. Many of you are saying, “well duh!” Unfortunately, it’s a staple for many people. Breakfast cereal was my favorite meal of every day. It’s gone. I started at about 240 pounds. Got down pretty close to 200. Bounced back up to 215, and I’m currently at 210. Mind you I’m just over 6’2”. I still have at least one juice a day and for the most part regular food otherwise. My blood pressure issue is gone. Waking up without headaches is the best part of normal blood pressure. My riding has increased partly due to my overall improved health.
    After the initial period, there’s nothing wrong with going back and visiting some of the foods you really like. You just have to decide whether or not they need to be in your everyday life.
    Would I do this again? Yes. Would there be any hesitation? No. For all the misgivings, it’s just worth it. It simply works. It’s fruit and vegetables. That’s it. If nothing else, it's 2 weeks to 30 days. You’re already going to the store.
    If you're reading this thread and contemplating whether or not to give it a shot, here were my pros and cons.
    Cons
    -Expensive-The machine and the fruit and vegetables are initially expensive.
    -Tedious. Lots and lots of juicing. When looking at juicers, find one that makes juicing easier. The Omega I bought has a small mouth making it necessary to cut the food down first.
    Pros.
    -Cost: Too many people out there depend on Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers. This is cheaper works better. No one stays on those diets. It’s easy to integrate juice into every day life-styles.
    -Lots of energy: Daily energy levels on juice is huge. Riding during the first part of the month was sketchy. During the second half of the month and when I transitioned back to regular food with juice, the increased energy was crazy. I drink a juice before and after every ride now.
    -Health advantages. Lots and lots of health advantages to eliminating beef and dairy products. One of my daily staples is bean salads. Haven’t missed beef yet.
    -Easy to adapt into regular life. Many of the juices are very very good.
    -Weight loss. It very quickly, very safely, allows years of weight gain to fall away.
    -All the info you need is online and free.
    -There are alternatives to expensive machines. If you’re interested, send me a message and I’ll shoot you tricks to getting discounts on good machines.
    -People who aren't overweight, gain just as many benefits. Energy alone makes it worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast4ward View Post
    I was raised on meat and potatoes with large amounts of milk.
    Sounds very familiar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast4ward View Post
    -Cost: Too many people out there depend on Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers. This is cheaper works better. No one stays on those diets. It’s easy to integrate juice into every day life-styles.
    I have to reference this every time I talk to anyone about me and how I have started juicing. I have had several people cite that they can just eat xyz or do abc diet or go to the gym more...

    I have had to change nothing about my lifestyle except that I have juice for breakfast and lunch over my normal mundane day time meals. I usually am forced to eat like crap because with work and life having nutritious and good meals is challenging monday through friday. In the end, I have great juices during the day, which actually cost me less and I feel and look better in the process.

    It is true that my dietary habits have changed after fasting but unlike other fad or crash diets, I am not miserable in doing so, feel like i am hungry all the time or crave my favorite foods all day.

    On a second note, I noticed my lady catching a peek with a raised eyebrow as I was stepping out the the shower Saturday morning... I think she's noticing a difference too.

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    The real thing to consider overall and not just rest on the whole “I use a juicer” notion (I use a juicer, by the way) is to cut out processed foods entirely. If you don’t know where it came from or what’s in it, you really ought to think twice about putting it into your body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    This last month, I was talked into participating in a food fast. Goal was 7 days living on nothing but veggie juice, tea, and water. I did a lot of research and found that this program is highly regarded as a way to detox the body while gaining significant benefits like weight loss and reducing blood pressure. I was fearful that I would be tired, grumpy, and most importantly, unable to ride my bike...I was wrong, wrong, wrong.
    Even though we are unlikeliest to be called vegetarian, this post was kinda an inspiration for me (trying to get some time to no-dab up Kennedy) & my wife (hiking along). Thank you. These are quite amazing stories.

    I've got the whole nine yards starting with several excess bowling balls on me, hypertention, etc. So we tried juices, liked it, and decided to try 1-week juice fast & looks like it's gona happen next week with help of Omega Vert. I might even log it somehow - if I succeed maybe it could help someone else...

    I had a look at 3/5/10/15 plans at Joe's site and was a bit surprised that they include not only juice. I'd rather called them light vegie diet than juice fast. Did you use any plan from Joe's site or used juice only like supposedly in his movie?

    I am trying to bike 4 times a week - thue/thu/sat/sun. I am not in the 20/40 Kennedy leage, rather 45/90 with several not even dabs but full blown rests, neither I am an SS beast as some around here. Up to 15mi/2500ft MTB or 30-50mi road trips are quite a load for my 5'7"/235 at 47. Trying to think about energy for these rides during juice fast makes me really uneasy.

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    Right on Bashtan! Keep up the good work. Keep up the riding and it'll get better-you may never become one if these KOM killers-but riding will be easier and you'll get healthier. I'm trying to-seems like I've been trying for a while now and I've come to the conclusion that I'm happy to ride and just be out there on my bike. Always nice to ride with guys on TSP since they share the same feelings. Hope you keep riding and eating better. I tried this out and felt better, just need to ride a lil more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bashtan View Post
    Even though we are unlikeliest to be called vegetarian, this post was kinda an inspiration for me (trying to get some time to no-dab up Kennedy) & my wife (hiking along). Thank you. These are quite amazing stories.

    I've got the whole nine yards starting with several excess bowling balls on me, hypertention, etc. So we tried juices, liked it, and decided to try 1-week juice fast & looks like it's gona happen next week with help of Omega Vert. I might even log it somehow - if I succeed maybe it could help someone else...

    I had a look at 3/5/10/15 plans at Joe's site and was a bit surprised that they include not only juice. I'd rather called them light vegie diet than juice fast. Did you use any plan from Joe's site or used juice only like supposedly in his movie?

    I am trying to bike 4 times a week - thue/thu/sat/sun. I am not in the 20/40 Kennedy leage, rather 45/90 with several not even dabs but full blown rests, neither I am an SS beast as some around here. Up to 15mi/2500ft MTB or 30-50mi road trips are quite a load for my 5'7"/235 at 47. Trying to think about energy for these rides during juice fast makes me really uneasy.
    Awesome man. Keep it up and I am sure you will run into one of us up that beast someday...Ancient Rascal is a totally cool dude and he is up there everyday it seems.

    I did not follow Joes plan but I am sure it's good. My fast was absolutely fiber free which made for lots of energy and detoxification benefits (everything is at rest so things can heal). After a few days, you will find you have great energy. Just bring some veggie juice with you and you should be a-Ok. I did a few long 2000ft climbs on my fast and had no problems. I bit more tired those evenings but highly manageable. Fasting with veggie juice does not mean you will be lacking in energy...quite the opposite in my case. Just be prepared to have LOTS of fresh/good juice available...limit the fruits.

    If you REALLY want to do it right, read this book and follow the guide: The Fasting Diet: Steven Bailey: 9780658011450: Amazon.com: Books A pre-fast diet really makes for a better experience and the ease back stage is beneficial as well. Many people just jump right in (myself included) and wish they had prepped better at the start.

    Keep me posted (PM if you want) as I am interested to hear how it goes.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    On day 3 of the Reboot w/Joe 3-day juice fast. 1st two days I felt weak. Today I feel a bit more back to normal and will even do some exercising. I typically weight 144-146 and my weigh in this morning was 140. I know I'll gain some weight back once I'm on solid food again but I can't remember the last time I saw 140 on the scale.

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    Veggie Juice Fast: Bike friendly diet that works

    So my fiancé was able to burn out a Vitamix! Don't ask-I told her to take it easy on it when she was placing the veggies in it-
    So we went and got a slow juicer-a Hurlow I think it is-but see the Omega has a longer warranty. Costco does sell the Hurlow file 299 and is a great place to make returns if need be-so debating on which one-both are basically the same-made in the same factory. Where can I get a BB&B coupon if we go for the Omega-anyone know? I signed up online for the one time free one and never for it.

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    I went to the doc yesterday for a consultation on a penis reduction surgery that I have been thinking about for YEARS. I hadn't been in to see him since I started the diet change. Blood pressure is completely normal after 5 months and kept the weight off. All of my other ailments have also gone away and sleeping great! I juice every morning now and I tend to seek out better foods at restaurants. I took big leap and quit drinking booze too. I miss getting drunk but I like feeling healthy better. Once I get my over-sized penis under control, I will be a new man.

    Hope to start a new fast in a month or so and a bigger one in July.

    Great job thatdrewguy and Nelson...I still owe you some money! Maybe sign up for their newsletters...I get them in the mail from time to time.

    Bashtan...did you ever take the leap? Curious.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Where can I get a BB&B coupon if we go for the Omega-anyone know? I signed up online for the one time free one and never for it.
    We get at least one BBB coupon a week in the snail mail mailbox... do you not receive spam mail? if you seriously cannot come up on one let me know I will like mail you a bunch.

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    I guess not from them? I think I used to, but looked around the house and nada! Maybe today-I think Wednesdays are junk mail days? If not-ill take you up on that offer for one-

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    I went to the doc yesterday for a consultation on a penis reduction surgery that I have been thinking about for YEARS. I hadn't been in to see him since I started the diet change. Blood pressure is completely normal after 5 months and kept the weight off. All of my other ailments have also gone away and sleeping great! I juice every morning now and I tend to seek out better foods at restaurants. I took big leap and quit drinking booze too. I miss getting drunk but I like feeling healthy better. Once I get my over-sized penis under control, I will be a new man.
    Talk about being desperate to drop some grams.
    Be careful with that surgery. I had the same procedure and sadly they took off a little too much. Good thing I have been married for a while and was not using it anyway. I recommend bringing in an ESI or whatever grip you use, for the doc to reference.
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    I jumped on that new fad "Intermittent fasting" and have great results - still drink, eat steak, ice cream, PIZZA dairy you name it (had 3 double chodoclate brownies and a huge bowl of the kids cereal after dinner that pissed off the wife last night) Just do it in my "eating window" great job on the "juicing" but for me life is too short I love to eat what ya'll are giving up LoL

    just another means to an end I suppose

    results after about 9 months of IF

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    For me, life is too short to enter old age tired, sick, and out of shape. I want to be able to send it when I'm 60...heck 70+. That wasn't going to happen at the pace I was going. Feel good about the direction I am taking this even if it means giving up decadent moments. You say Fad but I say results.

    Then again, I'll probably end up getting hit by a bus so maybe you are on to something.
    I'm not sure how this works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squashyo View Post
    Bashtan...did you ever take the leap? Curious.
    Sorry, missed the question - "did not get a memo".

    I wasn't feeling entirely comfortable, our son was coming for spring break from UCB... So, we decided to take your advice, buy the book (got it yesterday), study it (enema does not seem exciting) and then proceed. In the meantime, as I really got bought into the idea, I tried to play with it, replace breakfast, lunch or even both with juices (veggie or mix with fruit juices), continuing riding bike - just checking how it's gonna be.

    Well... Last Sunday I went up Kennedy and it was kinda OKish up to the tree. But than it went really fast downhill - at some point just raising my arm would raise HR by several beats. Mounting on the bike after some rest would hike HR 15-20 beats. I was devastated looking at these changes in HR and feeling completely exhausted. I ended up walking last 2 walls and even preceding hill.

    So, I figured maybe I'll just ride road bike around "Kannon/Shennady" during the fast and will not do any MTB rides for the time. But overall I came to the conclusion that it is possible and I can do the juice fast (not sure about water fast, though it seems to make more sense).

    Did not do juice lunch for couple last days and kinda missing it already... Tomorrow getting back on juice lunch. Current schedule - send the kid back to UCB this weekend and start pre-fast preparation next Friday, than starting Monday - the fast. Still debating the length of the fast to be planned - 5 days or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bashtan View Post
    Sorry, missed the question - "did not get a memo".

    I wasn't feeling entirely comfortable, our son was coming for spring break from UCB... So, we decided to take your advice, buy the book (got it yesterday), study it (enema does not seem exciting) and then proceed. In the meantime, as I really got bought into the idea, I tried to play with it, replace breakfast, lunch or even both with juices (veggie or mix with fruit juices), continuing riding bike - just checking how it's gonna be.

    Well... Last Sunday I went up Kennedy and it was kinda OKish up to the tree. But than it went really fast downhill - at some point just raising my arm would raise HR by several beats. Mounting on the bike after some rest would hike HR 15-20 beats. I was devastated looking at these changes in HR and feeling completely exhausted. I ended up walking last 2 walls and even preceding hill.

    So, I figured maybe I'll just ride road bike around "Kannon/Shennady" during the fast and will not do any MTB rides for the time. But overall I came to the conclusion that it is possible and I can do the juice fast (not sure about water fast, though it seems to make more sense).

    Did not do juice lunch for couple last days and kinda missing it already... Tomorrow getting back on juice lunch. Current schedule - send the kid back to UCB this weekend and start pre-fast preparation next Friday, than starting Monday - the fast. Still debating the length of the fast to be planned - 5 days or more.
    Happy to see you are taking a thoughtful approach rather than just diving in. Doing it right the first time will be a much better experience I thinks.

    I really don't think you will need to cut out MT Biking (maybe Kennedy to top...she's a *****. Hit up Priest or Limekiln on the reservoir side...Or Jones Trail off Jones Rd in LG...or Belgatos park or Santa Teresa for good riding without dramatic elevation gain). The fast and the diet you have been on are two completely different animals I believe. You tried to climb Kennedy with your digestion system purging energy reserves and stealing hydration needs. You tried to ride on a diet...not a fast...much tougher and your body will let you know that's not ok. On the fast itself, your internal system will be relatively at rest so you will find you can tackle exercise routines and feel pretty strong in the process. I did multiple 2000ft climbs on my fast and had no issues at all. (I brought veggie juice on my rides to keep me nutrated).

    Anyhow, you know your body best but I think you will find that the fast (after the first couple days) will afford you the opportunity to keep riding and hitting the gym. Good luck man and hope the results and experience are positive.
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    Pre-fast is through. Interesting experience.

    1) Personally I was terrified by 3 tbsp of oil in the morning - it is just way too much. Turned out that lemon + orange + garlic mask it very well.
    2) Oh, boy, the amount of salads to chew these 3 dawas intimidating!
    3) Though slight but constant headache, the wife had serious headache.
    4) Toilet is you friend.

    Tuesday/today - 1-st day of fasting. The plan is 5, but who knows how it goes - shorter, longer or on plan. It's quite difficult to tone down sweetness of both, fruit & veggie, juices without lemon/lime/grapefruit. Surely ginger, mint, garlic help a bit, but...

    Still debating biking - what and how much. In plans - maybe try to hit St.Joseph/today, Belgatos/Thursday after work. Maybe Kennedy to the tree on Saturday/Sunday, or alternatively and most probably - easier but longer road to Uvas Reservoir and back with 2k' spread along 50 miles.

    After reading this thread my main goal was HBP - I'd guess, partially in family, partially due to weight. It's too early to make any conclusions, but maybe BP seems a bit stabilized slightly lower. Weight slowly goes down, but I think I have about 10 "easy pounds" reacquired during the winter, so I do not pay much attention to weight loss above autumn numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bashtan View Post
    Pre-fast is through. Interesting experience.

    1) Personally I was terrified by 3 tbsp of oil in the morning - it is just way too much. Turned out that lemon + orange + garlic mask it very well.
    2) Oh, boy, the amount of salads to chew these 3 dawas intimidating!
    3) Though slight but constant headache, the wife had serious headache.
    4) Toilet is you friend.

    Tuesday/today - 1-st day of fasting. The plan is 5, but who knows how it goes - shorter, longer or on plan. It's quite difficult to tone down sweetness of both, fruit & veggie, juices without lemon/lime/grapefruit. Surely ginger, mint, garlic help a bit, but...

    Still debating biking - what and how much. In plans - maybe try to hit St.Joseph/today, Belgatos/Thursday after work. Maybe Kennedy to the tree on Saturday/Sunday, or alternatively and most probably - easier but longer road to Uvas Reservoir and back with 2k' spread along 50 miles.

    After reading this thread my main goal was HBP - I'd guess, partially in family, partially due to weight. It's too early to make any conclusions, but maybe BP seems a bit stabilized slightly lower. Weight slowly goes down, but I think I have about 10 "easy pounds" reacquired during the winter, so I do not pay much attention to weight loss above autumn numbers.
    Giddyup! Sorry to hear about the headaches...could be the toxins screaming to stay put or the crash from coming off of sugar or caffeine. Hope it gets better...should. Have you noticed an increase in senses particularly smell? I remember that part clearly! Anyhow, make lots of juice and limit the fruits to just flavor your drinks. UDOs oil is also pretty awesome to add...makes the drinks taste a little better and really good for you. It's pricy but sold at WF...I was doing a TBLS per 32 ounce drink or there abouts. Also, filter your drinks with a cheese cloth or something similar...helps reduce the thickness of the drink, less micro pulpy, easier to drink and easier on the absorption. Also, be sure to bring the juice on your rides...helps a lot!

    Keep us posted and stoked to hear going for it!
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    Well, I fell off the wagon. I hit the juicing hard for Jan. and Feb in what I felt was a sustainable effort by juicing only during the day, allowing for a snack of almonds and walnuts (took away the carb craving) and then a sensible meal in the evening (vegetarian or fish). Got my weight down to the 169-172 range (started at ~190).
    Well, pretty much the last 5-6 weeks, I have stopped juicing. I ran out of veggies one day and just never bought any more (though I kept telling myself I would). So I found myself eating yogurt and fruit in the morning, leftovers for lunch, and a regular dinner (constantly trying to minimize the damage). Eventually I found myself snacking more on cheese n' crackers and chips n' salsa. I also found myself eating dessert more often (especially icecream) including a Leatherby's Banana Split just last weekend...and a lot more Pizza (Pepperoni and Pineapple, my favorite!).
    I also found that I avoided the scale. I really did not want to see what was happening. But alas yesterday, after over 5 weeks off the wagon, I purchased some veggies and had a juice this morning (tomatoes, carrots, kale, spinach, romaine, zucchini, yellow squash, apple, lemon), it was friggin delicious. So much better than I remember. I also stepped on the scale. 170lbs even. Holy $#!%, that is the same measurement I had the last time I weighed myself weeks ago. The whole time I was 'off the wagon' I tried to compensate by exercising more, and though I ate some crap, I tried to keep it in moderation and did not over-indulge like I would in the past. Basically, the two months of daily juicing have rid my of many bad habits and at the same time I have been in a better exercise groove. So today I am beginning the push to get to where I really want to be (the low 160's)...and when I get there, I know it will be sustainable.

    On a related note, even though I still have a gut, with the help of the 20lb weight loss, I have seen my PR for the 2 mile Stagecoach climb drop by 3 minutes, same for Clementine and any other climb...and that Stagecoach PR came at the end of a 30 mile, 4500' ride. Tangible & measurable results. Juicing works!
    I no longer deserve a signature. :skep:

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    Awesome breakfast juice today:
    1 pineapple
    1 head of romaine
    2 large handfuls of spinach

    That at least was the recipe but had a few strawberries, carrots, and celery that were going bad so I threw them in as well. And some ginger for a little kick. Trying to juice on the mornings that I dont ride in to work and make healthy smoothies on the days that I ride to work since it's a hard 45-55min ride in to the office and juice just doesnt fuel me enough.

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