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    Ticks in NorCal: Info, Repellents, and Remedies

    Lyme disease appears a real issue now in NorCal.

    Lyme Disease in California Management Guidelines--UC IPM

    Several people have recommended this spray repellent from Sawyer. Thoughts? What do you use?

    https://sawyer.com/products/permethr...ent-treatment/

    Places and time of year where you've experienced ticks?

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    Riding Del Valle has been the worst for me with ticks. Think they were literally falling out of the trees

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    Quote Originally Posted by brncr6 View Post
    Riding Del Valle has been the worst for me with ticks. Think they were literally falling out of the trees
    What time of the year?

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    The Sawyer stuff should work pretty well, I've had pretty fair success using fly spray (the kind used on horses) and the active ingredient (permethrin) is the same. Looking at the fine print the Sawyer is actually higher strength than the horse stuff I've been using. I had maybe a dozen tick bites in the last couple of months of 2017 (maybe one every other trip to Coe); with the return of the rains I've made a point to use protection---last 6 times out I only had one bite.

    When working trails with permethrin applied I might find one or 2 on my clothing (and paralyzed at that) while fellow volunteers right next to me with no treatment are getting 10 or 15 ticks. Some of the team use pre-treated clothing and that seems to work very well too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    What time of the year?
    May to August, riding buddy had one on him last year that started getting bad and ended up at the doctors with a few vists and several shots. I will some time spray my cloths and gear with Deet. Will be stopping and picking up some of the Sawyer you posted above.

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    +1 on the Sawyer stuff. Haven't used it that long but no tick since using it on my clothes.

    Also, this is great if you do get one.
    https://www.rei.com/product/777807/l...n-the-tick-key

    I have sent many ticks to the sonoma county health dept. for testing and haven't had a positive one yet. Maybe I damn lucky. I'll take my chances with the permethrin over the bio hazards.

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    Nothing beats permethrin in my experiences. 3 days bikepacking at Coe and never saw one on me. Sprayed my groundsheet and tarp also and it was amazing the collection of bugs/worms/and spiders on them in the morning, none moving.

    There's a video of ticks crawling through freshly applied deet, and stopped dead on shoes with 4 week old permethrin spray somewhere.

    Highly recommend if you want an end-all for ticks. Just don't put it on your skin.

    Good info here
    http://www.tickencounter.org/prevention/permethrin

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    We're juggling between thinking permethrin (for those that don't recognize the chemical it's what's used in lice treatment) and picaridin. We really don't want to even try Deet with the kids and are doing research. I'm already seeing some between San Jose and Gilroy while walking/hiking, all small that were easily picked/flicked off my pant legs. Friends near Santa Theresa this past week came out with almost a dozen each, all the same deal, the small size ones. At first we weren't concerned because we figured they're larval/nymph stage but we were just told that there's a species that's small and can transmit it. Anyone have better info? I'm not used to seeing them THIS early in the game. May, sure, but late March early April?

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    Ixodes pacificus has been reported in 56 out of 58 counties in the state. ... In northern California areas where Lyme disease occurs, usually about 1–2% of the adult Ixodes pacificus ticks and 2–15% of the nymphal ticks, on average, are infected with Borrelia burgdorferi.

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    My understanding is the nymph ticks are the most troublesome with regard to Lyme? Is that the correct assessment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomikazi View Post

    Highly recommend if you want an end-all for ticks. Just don't put it on your skin.

    Good info here
    TickEncounter Resource Center
    I am curious - if you don't put it on your skin, how do you protect your legs and arms? I cannot imagine riding at Coe in long pants/sleeves (I overheat easily...).

    I can see how wearing long sleeve clothing helps in the evening while bikepacking but during the day?

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    I picked 3 of the little buggers off me Saturday up at Lake Mendocino. Definitely the season.

    I use that Sawyer Picaridin and find it quite effective...if I remember to put it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kovarpa View Post
    I am curious - if you don't put it on your skin, how do you protect your legs and arms? I cannot imagine riding at Coe in long pants/sleeves (I overheat easily...).

    I can see how wearing long sleeve clothing helps in the evening while bikepacking but during the day?
    I think the most common way a tick finds a home on you is by finding a non exposed area of skin, that is warm and protected. I almost always find ticks in places that are covered by my clothes and rarely ever on my exposed legs or arms. So, when they walk on your clothing treated with Permethrin, to find a spot to attach, they die.

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    I am going to try that Sawyer stuff out for sure. Check frequently mid ride and definitely after narrow high grass sections...


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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    My understanding is the nymph ticks are the most troublesome with regard to Lyme? Is that the correct assessment?
    My understanding as well. Two other things to keep in mind: lizards are the nymphs' favorite host, and nymphs tend to stay close to the ground. (I've been doing a little reading since I found an adult fully bored into my side last weekend.) I'm going to pick up some Sawyers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kovarpa View Post
    I am curious - if you don't put it on your skin, how do you protect your legs and arms? I cannot imagine riding at Coe in long pants/sleeves (I overheat easily...).

    I can see how wearing long sleeve clothing helps in the evening while bikepacking but during the day?
    I don't worry about arms so much, sleeveless when necessary. Thin merino wool tights are comfortable in all but the hottest days for me.

    I don't ride Coe those days, or even in the summer for that matter. I'm also way more tolerant of tights than I am ticks.

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    From Wikipedia.....don't use while breast feeding!

    Safety

    Permethrin has little systemic absorption, and is considered safe for topical use in adults and children over the age of 2 months. The FDA has assigned it as pregnancy category B. Animal studies have shown no effects on fertility or teratogenicity, but studies in humans have not been performed. The excretion of permethrin in breastmilk is unknown, and breastfeeding is recommended to be temporarily discontinued during treatment.[10]

    According to the Connecticut Department of Public Health, permethrin "has low mammalian toxicity, is poorly absorbed through the skin, and is rapidly inactivated by the body. Skin reactions have been uncommon."[13]

    Excessive exposure to permethrin can cause nausea, headache, muscle weakness, excessive salivation, shortness of breath, and seizures. Worker exposure to the chemical can be monitored by measurement of the urinary metabolites, while severe overdose may be confirmed by measurement of permethrin in serum or blood plasma.[14]

    Permethrin does not present any notable genotoxicity or immunotoxicity in humans and farm animals, but is classified by the EPA as a likely human carcinogen, based on reproducible studies in which mice fed permethrin developed liver and lung tumors.[15] However, it is known to be highly toxic to fish and aquatic species.[16]

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    I've found between 3-5 ticks on me per ride over the last month in Marin county. Recently they have been much larger and brighter red color. I always find them on my shins and stop often to check.


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    Well timed. I never saw a tick until about 3 months ago.

    I have been riding a route with s lot of foliage though.

    I rode yesterday around noon. Today I was driving to the gym after work, I scratched my head and boom... Found a tick.

    So he had been around for at least 24 hours.

    Gross little buggers.

    I did find out though, that if you kill them, turn them on their back, and press on their belly with your finger nail all of their little arms open up like they are going to give you a hug. You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    Well timed. I never saw a tick until about 3 months ago.

    I did find out though, that if you kill them, turn them on their back, and press on their belly with your finger nail all of their little arms open up like they are going to give you a hug. You're welcome.
    They taste like capers, or so I've been told!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    They taste like capers, or so I've been told!
    It's only cause you ate so many capers before it dug in

    Does the above treatment to clothes last through the wash? I may want to do that to a few kits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    It's only cause you ate so many capers before it dug in

    Does the above treatment to clothes last through the wash? I may want to do that to a few kits.

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    I think I read where it lasts up to six washes.

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    Backside of China Camp is infested with ticks. I had three in me the other day after a hike and pulled at least 20 off my dog. I hate to think what is in the back of my truck.

    How long do they last just walking around on your stuff?

    We have the tick twister too, works great. I only break off the head maybe 1/10 times.
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    Ticks in NorCal: Info, Repellents, and Remedies-71ih5euttwl._sl1000_.jpgBumper crop for ticks too with all the foliage.

    When I got my tick, I just could not get it out since it was so wedged in on my side. I had to buy a tool. I see how they work now.

    https://www.amazon.com/Tick-Twister-...70_&dpSrc=srch

    Basically you can't break the or traumatize them so they spill their contaminated guts back into your body.
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    Heads up for anyone who is using permethrin... it is extremely toxic to cats when wet. If you are treating your clothing or gear with it, make sure you spray it on outside, away from your cats, and don't take it back inside until it is completely dry.

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    I just read on the Sawyer site that it is safe for dogs.

    Safe for dogs but fuc7s up cats
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    I found one on my leg last year. Got it out within 24 hrs, but my doctor put me on antibiotics right away. I did take the tick in to be tested and it tested negative for Lyme, so that was a good thing.

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    Good conversation, thanks. Just bought some sawyers and the tool. Will be spaying riding shorts/socks and carrying the tool.

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    Got my Permethrin from REI today. I don't want to take any chances with Lyme.

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    No tool necessary for tick removal. Apply moderate to high pressure to the head and rub counter clockwise around the body. They'll fall out intact and alive. I removed hundreds from my dog that way.


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    Only because they are smaller...

    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    My understanding is the nymph ticks are the most troublesome with regard to Lyme? Is that the correct assessment?
    Ticks will look for a host by "Questing". This is how they attach by holding on to a branch, grass etc. with back legs and waving their front legs for anything to brush against.

    Generally, the nymph is so hard to see or detect. But, both the nymph and adult can carry Lyme disease. Nymphs feed on smaller rodent/mammals like mice, while the adult feeds on larger animals like deer, etc. Humans come into the food chain periodically.

    DO NOT crush tick with fingers as it could be contaminated with bacteria. If bitten, save tick in alcohol to have tested if concerned. Most deer ticks or black legged tick will not contaminate you w/ Lyme for at least 24 hours as they are "cementing" their mouth parts into the skin with cementum. Once they start feeding, they will inject you with an anti-coagulant. This is when the bacterium Borrelia burgdorferi or Lyme is then released into your system.

    Now, there are 5 other diseases that are concerning, they are: babesiosis, Anaplasmosis, Borrelia miyamotoi, ehrlichiosis, and Powassan virus. Even worse, ticks can frequently be co-infected with more than one pathogen.

    Use repellent often in infested areas and ride with folks and let them sweep for the ticks before you (just kidding). Check constantly for them if you are in deeper grass or in a lot of trees. Ceanothus or California lilac is a haven for these abdominal arthropods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_twin View Post
    No tool necessary for tick removal. Apply moderate to high pressure to the head and rub counter clockwise around the body. They'll fall out intact and alive. I removed hundreds from my dog that way.


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    I would not do this on yourself. Get a good pair of fine tweezers to remove them. Too often the mouth parts will stay behind. Removing a tick safely from your body is an art form. It is recommended that you grasp the head as close to the mouth parts as best as possible and pull gently and steadily with a slight twisting motion outward until the tick releases itself. Once the mouth parts are "cemented" in they can be a bugger (no pun) to remove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RooHarris View Post
    I would not do this on yourself. Get a good pair of fine tweezers to remove them. Too often the mouth parts will stay behind. Removing a tick safely from your body is an art form. It is recommended that you grasp the head as close to the mouth parts as best as possible and pull gently and steadily with a slight twisting motion outward until the tick releases itself. Once the mouth parts are "cemented" in they can be a bugger (no pun) to remove.
    Pretty sure pouring gas on them then lighting a match is the best way. Love the internet. Have not seen even one in el dorado county. Usually the dog gets them and we find them when petting.

    If they get on my skin i yell satanic verses, threaten them with White Lightening Lube, and flash an oval chain ring at em. They run away like roaches.

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    Thanks for posting this. Bought two sets!

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    A friend said he rode Laurelwood yesterday near Waterdog and removed 10 ticks crawling around on him.
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    I have 2 areas down here on the central coast that I have put the Sawyer spray to the ultimate test and the result is phenomenal.

    I've been working on a new trail project down here at Montana de Oro State Park. A couple weeks ago, we had to have a few State Parks officials come out and look at the area we're building a 2 mile trail. None of them were protected and they all had a pretty bad dose of ticks on their clothing as we hiked up a hill for a good view of our proposed work area. I didn't have a single one on me.

    We were flagging our corridor on the same trail just this past Wednesday and 3 of the 4 of us were treated. Neither of us 3 had 1 single tick on our person. Our 1 untreated guy had numerous throughout our pretty radical, 4 hour brush-busting session. We picked him clean when we got back to our trailhead and by the time we drove the 2 miles to the gate on the road, he got out after finding 4 or 5 on his truck seat. We rode yesterday surveying some other trails in a County Park and he told me that by the time he got home and stripped down, he had several in his hair and 1 in his stache. Again, the 3 of us, NOTHING.

    Our new location, the Pismo Preserve made up of 11 miles of trail, has had us doing insane Mustard clearance along with miles of tall grasses. I led a grass crew on our cutting mission recently and I had no ticks on my treated clothes yet the others on my detail doing the same work were continually plucking ticks off themselves. This after a few washings of my treated clothes.

    The stuff just plain works! It's crazy to NOT use it if you intend to be in that environment.

    I also spray my TLD knee and partial shin pads as well as the elbow pads. My usual riding socks get it, too. I figure these are points that most of these little bugs latch onto as we ride past them and I have noticed that I seldom have a tick on me during and after rides in known heavily infested locations.

    EDIT: I have been using this tick plier for removal from my dog before I got him the NexGard meds and a really effective tick collar. It works extremely well and is very easy to use. I highly suggest it to add to your outdoor tool box. I just bought a second one along with those "crowbar" type ones suggested above. Probably not so much for me but to assist others as so many are oblivious to issue and concerns. I have several friends that have had significant embeddings and I have such a hard time getting my head around how they let that happen with so much info and warning in place.

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    Haven't really had to worry about ticks here in NV. While we have them, I have personally never had one or seen one on anyone. We have picked them off my FILs dogs in the past but that was after they has been rummaging through bushes in a heavily forested, rural area.

    I will be riding in Chico at Bidwell park in a couple weeks. Planning to grab the Sawyers and treat my riding clothes prior to heading there but anyone have reports on that area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Haven't really had to worry about ticks here in NV. While we have them, I have personally never had one or seen one on anyone. We have picked them off my FILs dogs in the past but that was after they has been rummaging through bushes in a heavily forested, rural area.

    I will be riding in Chico at Bidwell park in a couple weeks. Planning to grab the Sawyers and treat my riding clothes prior to heading there but anyone have reports on that area?
    Similar here in Chico. I'm sure there are ticks around, but in over 10 years of riding and hiking in Bidwell I thankfully haven't seen any yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn View Post
    Similar here in Chico. I'm sure there are ticks around, but in over 10 years of riding and hiking in Bidwell I thankfully haven't seen any yet.
    Sweet... ok good to know Boomn!

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    Permethrin is toxic to bees and aquatic life:
    Permethrin

    maybe the tick twister is the least toxic method of Limes prevention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notrab View Post
    Permethrin is toxic to bees and aquatic life:
    Permethrin

    maybe the tick twister is the least toxic method of Limes prevention.
    I'll take Permethrin preventative over the twister all day, every day, and twice on Sunday. If you've reached the point where you're removing an embedded tick, you could easily already be hosed if you hit the lotto with a carrier tick. Then, it's up to you to make the call and get to a doctor and hopefully get the antibiotics that hopefully work. No thanks!

    Responsible use and application really makes it nearly impossible for the product to be introduced to the water and bees. Not belittling the concern but short of doing something really stupid with the product, I'm trying hard to see how introduction to those environments could happen on any scale that could raise concern.

    D'oh! This reminds me...I gotta go spray my new compression socks I just bought today. Have a trail workday tomorrow and will be in Tickville, USA for a few hours!

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    Permethrin works. At least 5x this ride.

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    ^^ Are those lil' buggers dead, already? The way this stuff works is so cool. Something we can't see or smell on our clothes, and it smokes those little f'rs just for crawling on us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    ^^ Are those lil' buggers dead, already? The way this stuff works is so cool. Something we can't see or smell on our clothes, and it smokes those little f'rs just for crawling on us!
    Yup, dead before the end of the ride! Never saw a live one. Well, the ones the no permathin guys pulled off were alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notrab View Post
    Permethrin is toxic to bees and aquatic life:
    Permethrin

    maybe the tick twister is the least toxic method of Limes prevention.
    Don't spray it on bees and don't go wading wearing treated clothes.

    Permethrin is a godsend for those that don't enjoy a good tick bite.
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    I am not really a Patchouli wearing hippie purse kind of guy, but I am curious if anyone has had good luck or any luck what so ever with essential oils and tick prevention. If you did what were the circumstances?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraxFactory View Post
    I am not really a Patchouli wearing hippie purse kind of guy, but I am curious if anyone has had good luck or any luck what so ever with essential oils and tick prevention. If you did what were the circumstances?
    Chrysanthemum essential oil should work but pyrethrin is the active ingredient and probably less expensive.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sfgiantsfan View Post
    I just read on the Sawyer site that it is safe for dogs.

    Safe for dogs but fuc7s up cats
    Well, that's ok then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Haven't really had to worry about ticks here in NV. While we have them, I have personally never had one or seen one on anyone. We have picked them off my FILs dogs in the past but that was after they has been rummaging through bushes in a heavily forested, rural area.

    I will be riding in Chico at Bidwell park in a couple weeks. Planning to grab the Sawyers and treat my riding clothes prior to heading there but anyone have reports on that area?
    I haven't ridden Bidwell in years, but from what I remember, there aren't a lot of spots with overhanging brush, so I'd imagine it's pretty safe.

    I think I've found one tick on my dog after riding Hogan all these years. Tick (ha!) another box for Hogan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    I'll take Permethrin preventative over the twister all day, every day, and twice on Sunday. If you've reached the point where you're removing an embedded tick, you could easily already be hosed if you hit the lotto with a carrier tick. Then, it's up to you to make the call and get to a doctor and hopefully get the antibiotics that hopefully work. No thanks!

    Responsible use and application really makes it nearly impossible for the product to be introduced to the water and bees. Not belittling the concern but short of doing something really stupid with the product, I'm trying hard to see how introduction to those environments could happen on any scale that could raise concern.

    D'oh! This reminds me...I gotta go spray my new compression socks I just bought today. Have a trail workday tomorrow and will be in Tickville, USA for a few hours!
    I just hit all my gear with the Sawyer spray. Leave it outside for a day to dry and air out and it's usually good for a month or two.

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    Just finished a road trip fron Squamish to Sea Otter and back. We rode 7 days straight and had a killer time.

    My gf did pick up a tick twice though and they did embed. I pulled them out of her within 1-3 hours of exposure however and disinfected with alcohol after. So hopefully no risk.

    The first tick she got was on day 1 in Marin at Mt Tam and the second was on day 4 in Nisene. Little bastards!

    I’ve been paranoid of tiny potential nymph tick bites ever since. Hope we’re all good!

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    ticks are out. picked off 3 on me and 4 off dogs last two times at santa theresa. ticker remover should be part of every ride bag. when you remove them cleanly, the chance of lyme disease transmission is much lower. I got hte twisty type ones with high ratings from amazon.

    lyme disease can cause a bunch of long term health problems, get the removals.

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    Thanks for the info. I thought I was good with some old DEET spray and full body clothing over at Waterdog, but after reading all this info I ordered some of the 0.5% Permethrin spray. I will make sure to keep it away from cats until dry too, yikes.

    I'm not sure about all the various tick removal tools. I read a while ago to use needle nose pliers on the head, and pull out carefully. Even one of the tools basically has those type of pliers built in for humans, and a quicker tool for pets.

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    The tick situation in the Bay Area is currently at epic proportions, unprecedented in my 6 years of MTB riding. It used to be we had to go to China Camp to find ticks, now they are everywhere. Undoubtedly due to the strange winter.

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    Down here on the CenCoast, it was off the charts this year but last year was really bad, too. It's starting to mellow, now. The grasses are starting to turn and droop. I'm not hearing the reports of ticks quite as much as a couple-a-few weeks ago when it was all ablaze. With that, I am very well covered with permethrin since the beginning and I have been bushwhacking very heavy, thick chaparral a lot over the last few weeks as we are flagging a new trail at MdO State Park. Those of us 4 that aren't wearing treated clothing are seeing ticks. I spent 4 hours in the thick today and not 1 on me. This treatment is the cat's meow!

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    [https://www.menshealth.com/health/a2...lf-from-ticks/

    They don't mention much about treating clothes your self but seems like it should perform as well.

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    Man the ticks are out like crazy this spring. I took my dog out today on the Laguna de Santa Rosa trail for all of about 30 min, we stayed 95% on the on the walking path and he never went beyond the weedwhacked shoulder. Yet so far I've found on on him, one transferred from him to my wife while she was petting him and I found another walking on my shirt after I had been sitting on the couch.

    I just ordered some Sawyer spray off Amazon to treat my riding and hiking clothes.. but what's the best preventative for our four legged furry friends? He's a ACD mix with rather thick shoulder and back fur, so counting on visually spotting them before they attach isn't reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukas View Post
    Man the ticks are out like crazy this spring. I took my dog out today on the Laguna de Santa Rosa trail for all of about 30 min, we stayed 95% on the on the walking path and he never went beyond the weedwhacked shoulder. Yet so far I've found on on him, one transferred from him to my wife while she was petting him and I found another walking on my shirt after I had been sitting on the couch.

    I just ordered some Sawyer spray off Amazon to treat my riding and hiking clothes.. but what's the best preventative for our four legged furry friends? He's a ACD mix with rather thick shoulder and back fur, so counting on visually spotting them before they attach isn't reliable.
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    My labrador has been on the NexGard for over a year and it's been working well and he doesn't mind eating it, which makes it a bit easier to work with it.

    Also, I hate to give up a great secret but a French company makes the Virbac tick collar. SUPER effective with ticks bailing off my dog. I used to be able to get TWO for about $25 and they were good for months and i stretched that even longer by removing it from the dog after maybe 2 or 3 days of exposure and placing it in a tin cannister i had. The supply in the US dried up last year and now Bayer Pharma has their version for about $60 a copy! I think they have something to do with the Virbac going away. Now, I see a seller in Thailand as the only one with a supply for sale at any discounted rate.

    Lastly, the Sawyer product treatment is STILL going strong after numerous washings. I did retreat some pants after 5 or 5 washes just because I was working in a heavily infested area flagging new trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn View Post
    Similar here in Chico. I'm sure there are ticks around, but in over 10 years of riding and hiking in Bidwell I thankfully haven't seen any yet.
    Found one on my shin the other night north of Chico here in Red Bluff, Bend area. Been using permethrin on my socks, shoes, and bare legs since. Lyme disease is far worse than any toxicity to permethrin. I have read that DEET actually absorbs into the bloodstream through the skin 20x more readily than permethrin.

    A local vet posted on Facebook about a dog that had 100's of ticks removed after a day with their owners down by the river

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    Picked a tick off of me today after riding JMP, 1st tick I've ever got there. Stopped and got a bottle of Sawyer to treat riding gear.

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    I despise these scare articles. Not that the problem isn't real, as it undoubtedly is a VERY REAL issue and one to which I have great concern but they always tend to leave out the details. I really would like to know just what type of "bite" this person received? They always so casually skip over these important points. Was it an embedded tick that had been there for a day? Did it leave the telltale signs? Was it one she caught before fully bedding and casually blew it off as "nothing" since it wasn't deep? Seems to me that would be very useful information in painting an accurate picture of how these things come about or is it better to have the general public, that is typical stupid AF when it comes to anything from outdoors, running to their local ER's because they had a tick walking across their leg?

    I'm jaded to some degree, now. People are idiots. We have a new trail system here on the coast that isn't fully open t the public but they're having days they open up to let people explore the 11 miles of trail. A few weeks ago we (our trail group) did a big workday out there to prep and it was mostly vegetation abatement. Ticks were abundant. Typical. No big deal, we know it's common. I had none because I spray with Sawyer. Others just check and remove the bastards when done. No bites known. The next week, the public day opened up. By that afternoon, facebook was exploding with these "WARNINGS" from weekend warriors how the property was completely infested and a dangerous health hazard because one lady had a dog that had "TWO HUNDRED" ticks in the first 50 feet of trail. They swear they counted. Call out the airstrike! Close the property, it's infected!

    I offered a nice, politely written suggestion for those that go outdoors to utilize the Sawyer product and described in detail how it worked and the experience that we trail builders have had with it, especially the weekend before on that very property. Also consider to DEET if they have exposed skin. The response was a "Kill Him With Fire....He's One of THEM!" kind of responses. I was an "insider" and they knew that someone from the group would come on in denial of the massive public safety hazard! Un-f'king-believable!

    I deactivated my facebook account....again. The good thing is that when we do open up, less of those dumbf'ks will be out on the trails. Win-Win.

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    I have found 3 times as many ticks on me this year as any prior. Not sure what happened but they're happy little shits this year. It's been 3 years since I found one actually in me. I don't use any products (I really should), I just stop every so often to check myself over. I also make sure that I wear a tight fitting base layer tucked into a taller and tight fitting bib, and tuck the legs of the bib under my knee pads. I have also found that wearing light gray and tan gear helps me find them quickly. I rode a trail last week at China camp and picked 7 off my arms and legs at the end of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_twin View Post

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    HA! This was my photo from last week on our trail corridor flagging expedition. We saved the best part for last!

    We climbed over, under, through, but never around, at least 75 yards of this sea of solid PO to route our new trail. Only 1 of 4 of us got a little bit on their wrist. The convict crews will be cutting a 10 foot corridor through it hopefully very soon before the fire season gets rolling. We'll be digging this fall.

    In this first pic, we're literally 2' above the ground walking on the web of PO vines. We couldn't touch ground and if you went through, you weren't getting out!

    The 2nd pic is the path that 4 of us just had come through. It sealed back up like no one had been through. I found the best place to hide a dead body! I fully expected to find bones in that f'ing melee of noxious weed.

    The shit we do to bring trails to the public! I swear to God...if I hear one complaint....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    HA! This was my photo from last week on our trail corridor flagging expedition. We saved the best part for last!

    We climbed over, under, through, but never around, at least 75 yards of this sea of solid PO to route our new trail. Only 1 of 4 of us got a little bit on their wrist. The convict crews will be cutting a 10 foot corridor through it hopefully very soon before the fire season gets rolling. We'll be digging this fall.

    In this first pic, we're literally 2' above the ground walking on the web of PO vines. We couldn't touch ground and if you went through, you weren't getting out!

    The 2nd pic is the path that 4 of us just had come through. It sealed back up like no one had been through. I found the best place to hide a dead body! I fully expected to find bones in that f'ing melee of noxious weed.

    The shit we do to bring trails to the public! I swear to God...if I hear one complaint....

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    Anyone use sawyer spray on their auto upholstery in addition to treating their riding clothes?

    Good idea or bad?

    This season has been so lousy with ticks in loooking for any nuclear approach to murder them all before they can ever make it into my house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukas View Post
    Anyone use sawyer spray on their auto upholstery in addition to treating their riding clothes?

    Good idea or bad?

    This season has been so lousy with ticks in loooking for any nuclear approach to murder them all before they can ever make it into my house.
    Sawyers? I put that sh$t on everything!


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    Thread worth a bump.

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    I got some Sawyer spray based on this thread. I spray that stuff on everything - it's the only way to be sure.

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    They're baaaaack!

    Just a PSA to start using your favorite spray or get out the treated clothing, the ticks are coming on strong.

    Unlike last year I started using spray right out of the gate; zero bites and only a couple of crawlers. My untreated companions (volunteers at Coe doing trail work) had dozens and a couple dug-in.
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    What do you recommend for topical skin repellent, for example on exposed legs and arms


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    Products with DEET work but there are alleged side effects. I use it but I'm a Roundup kind of guy. YMMV.
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    Essential oils like eucalyptus, lemongrass, and lavender plus some more. Do some research on it though

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    Found a couple on the doggo recently, DOA due to the monthly prophylactic.

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    Took my hunting buddy's advice and purchased concentrated Permethrin on Amazon along with a 1 gallon pressure sprayer, much more cost/time effective than buying Sawyers.

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    I've always been paranoid or ticks. Reading through this thread I would like to order some of the Sawyers. Is this the stuff?



    Also someone mentioned it can last for a couple of months, is that with washing? Assuming I spray it on my jersey and shorts wash them after the ride is the Permethrin still good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMann View Post
    I've always been paranoid or ticks. Reading through this thread I would like to order some of the Sawyers. Is this the stuff?



    Also someone mentioned it can last for a couple of months, is that with washing? Assuming I spray it on my jersey and shorts wash them after the ride is the Permethrin still good?
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    There's now a tick in the coastal canyons and mesas of San Diego that carries something often referenced as "Rabbit fever" that can be pretty unpleasant but not usually fatal. There's been a few cases of tick-borne Lyme's here, but not an epidemic.

    Still, if I catch one crawling up towards my knee, I make it priority #1 to stop and remove that sucker, and keel it too. Goddam parasites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radium View Post

    Still, if I catch one crawling up towards my knee, I make it priority #1 to stop and remove that sucker, and keel it too. Goddam parasites.
    I learned the hard way what can happen when you go hiking/biking in a grassland with loose fitting shorts on. Another benefit of wearing tight fitting lycra cycling shorts.

    Here's a tip- if you feel a pinch, investigate it IMMEDIATLY!!

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    Been raining here in Nor Cal lately, have been running with my dog and sometimes go thven this rough the weeds as to not cake up the shoes with mud. Did find a tick on my upper leg 2 weeks ago, was the type that carries Lyme (took it to the Contra Costa Vector control center - recommend anyone that finds a tick on them to put it in a baggie and do the same, they'll tell you what kinda tick you brought in) just finished a 2 week regimen of Doxycycline. Check yourself even this time of year, those little fawks are still out there..

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    Have you all encountered many ticks at Demo or UCSC? I haven't been able to find too much info about these two spots.

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    Suppose it's possible at Demo, but I've never encountered one, having spent a decent amount of time there. Not really the right habitat in most of the riding areas. UCSC Upper Campus is a different deal, the grassier areas especially along Empire Grade (where it butts up against Wilder which is also tick country) has a very prolific tick farming area.

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    Ticks are usually at overgrown bushes. Stick to heavily used trails and usually you wont hit tall bushes.

    With that said, cusack at demo has overgrown bushes and is the only place a tick crawled on my leg. I got it off before any damage occured. All the main trails including ridge, flow, and braille have been fine.

    At the school, main trails also have been fine.

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    Anecdotal story from Henry Coe SP of last week; I was out hiking with a group of volunteers working on the Fish Trail and at lunch break sat down in a sunny spot in the trail-side grass. I knew this probably wasn't a wise thing to do tick-wise but since I had treated my clothing wasn't too worried about it. My untreated coworkers (pun not intended) all had been removing ticks including one bite.

    At some point I reached for my iPhone (in an untreated case on my belt) to check our GPS location and discovered a tiny tick crawling across the screen. Not sure if it was a nymph or just a small species I thought it would be interesting to watch it when placed on my treated trouser fabric. Sitting down this made the surface nearly level and facing the full sun.

    Upon contact with the treated fabric the tick started a "dance" as if I had put it in a hot frying pan; flipping itself over and then righting itself again. It never made it far enough to where it the curvature of my leg would had caused it to fall off due to gravity; it only was about a minute and it was dead. My trousers were black fabric and being full sun probably created temperatures that hastened the tick's demise.

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    Interesting anecdote. Thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elko8 View Post
    Have you all encountered many ticks at Demo or UCSC? I haven't been able to find too much info about these two spots.
    Yes at Demo. Found a tick on one of my knee pads in 2018. Not sure about UC though. Also in Waterdog/Laurelwood, Alum Rock Park - Todd Quick and Sierra Vista, Steven Canyon - Canyon Trail. I haven't see any in mid 2019 ever since I started riding JNT (infested with mosquitoes during hot and humid days) which is when I started spraying my outfit/gears with Sawyer (Permethrin) and applying Sawyer lotion (Picaridin) to my skin.

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    can you spray Sawyers on your helmet or bike?

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    did this method work for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by m2_boy View Post
    Found one on me when we finished our ride at Rancho San Vicente this past weekend. It looks like the one on the left. Didn't recall brushing much of anything since the trails are pretty clear there.
    They will drop down out of trees.
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    Ticks and Lyme are a huge issue in the bay area. I have had ticks crawling on me the last three years while mountain biking, Mt Diablo, Ft Ord and Nevada City. Last year I became very sick and in March of 2020, I received treatment for Lyme disease.

    Below is a link to my story, it has the details of symptoms, testing and treatment.

    I am sharing this to hopefully help others that might have Lyme.

    https://www.caringbridge.org/visit/jamiecarey

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    Pulled one off today that I'm sure I picked up in the tall grass at Montebello. Was probably on for an hour or so. Didn't have anything to save the tick in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    Pulled one off today that I'm sure I picked up in the tall grass at Montebello. Was probably on for an hour or so. Didn't have anything to save the tick in.
    Just watch for a bump with a rash or if you start feeling like a mild flu, aches, pains and chills (leg chills) and tired, then get to the doctor and ask for 21 days of antibiotics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by careyj1 View Post
    Just watch for a bump with a rash or if you start feeling like a mild flu, aches, pains and chills (leg chills) and tired, then get to the doctor and ask for 21 days of antibiotics.
    Thanks man! And that was a great article you wrote. Luckily I have a doctor in the house! Usually ticks don't bother me much, but this one felt like a little bee sting.

    I'm going to Permethrin all my biking clothes this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    Thanks man! And that was a great article you wrote. Luckily I have a doctor in the house! Usually ticks don't bother me much, but this one felt like a little bee sting.

    I'm going to Permethrin all my biking clothes this weekend.
    Good idea, I am now doing Permethrin and deet on the legs and arms.

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    I was at Crockett and my shorts are treated with Permethrin, a large tick was crawling on my shorts and because they're treated I waited a few minutes and watched him to see if he would be affected by the chemicals...nothing. I eventually just flicked him off, I was hoping that being on my shorts would freak him out but no.

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    I guess I've been lucky, never been bit by a tick. I've seen them on my shoes and leg and the dog has had multiple ticks. Poison Oak is my kryptonite though. Just getting better from last weeks dive into the bushes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cave man View Post
    . Just getting better from last weeks dive into the bushes.
    From what I saw yesterday, it looked pretty uncomfortable......
    Parts are rolling in today!!!!
    woo hoo!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetSedgwick View Post
    I was at Crockett and my shorts are treated with Permethrin, a large tick was crawling on my shorts and because they're treated I waited a few minutes and watched him to see if he would be affected by the chemicals...nothing. I eventually just flicked him off, I was hoping that being on my shorts would freak him out but no.
    Super tick. All ticks are nasty and they are everywhere when you spend time outdoors in nature.

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    I spend an hour looking at tick videos on youtube this a.m. because of this thread, exciting stuff.

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