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    Stepped Up Enforcement at Annadel

    After years of riding Annadel and almost never seeing a ranger, I have now seen the ranger in the park each of my last four rides.

    Yesterday, she was giving a ticket to a guy with his dog. I don't have a problem with this, as every entrance to the park has a sign stating that dogs are not allowed in the park.

    Now, I'm hearing that they are stepping up enforcement of night riding in the park, as well. Riding after dark has never been allowed, but it has mostly been overlooked. I just heard a second hand story (that I'd like to verify) of someone leaving the park just after dark and getting stopped and handed a $300 ticket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    After years of riding Annadel and almost never seeing a ranger, I have now seen the ranger in the park each of my last four rides.

    Yesterday, she was giving a ticket to a guy with his dog. I don't have a problem with this, as every entrance to the park has a sign stating that dogs are not allowed in the park.

    Now, I'm hearing that they are stepping up enforcement of night riding in the park, as well. Riding after dark has never been allowed, but it has mostly been overlooked. I just heard a second hand story (that I'd like to verify) of someone leaving the park just after dark and getting stopped and handed a $300 ticket.
    No problem with a ticket for the dog, but it is okay when you do not follow the rules?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    No problem with a ticket for the dog, but it is okay when you do not follow the rules?
    The dude was walking a poodle, c'mon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    The dude was walking a poodle, c'mon.
    I run with my Chihuahua off leash, she is 3.5lbs, wonder if I would get a ticket too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    No problem with a ticket for the dog, but it is okay when you do not follow the rules?
    Huh? Who said that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LargeMan View Post
    I run with my Chihuahua off leash, she is 3.5lbs, wonder if I would get a ticket too.
    Actually it was a chihuahua-terrier mix and I didn't see a leash, so I'm guessing you would. Listen, I'd love to take my Jack Russell up into the park, but it's not allowed so she stays home to terrierize her own squirrels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    Actually it was a chihuahua-terrier mix and I didn't see a leash, so I'm guessing you would. Listen, I'd love to take my Jack Russell up into the park, but it's not allowed so she stays home to terrierize her own squirrels.
    I re-read your post, you are just wondering if they are ticketing for night riding? I thought I saw another post where someone did get a ticket for it.

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    I've been told that someone coming out of the park just after dark got a ticket, but I haven't confirmed it. I've never ridden the park at night although there are organized night rides there all of the time.

    If someone gets cited for riding at night when they know it's not allowed, they deserve a ticket. If someone is trying to get an afternoon ride in this time of year after work and misjudges their exit time, that's kinda chickenshit to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    I've been told that someone coming out of the park just after dark got a ticket, but I haven't confirmed it. I've never ridden the park at night although there are organized night rides there all of the time.

    If someone gets cited for riding at night when they know it's not allowed, they deserve a ticket. If someone is trying to get an afternoon ride in this time of year after work and misjudges their exit time, that's kinda chickenshit to me.
    Agree, seems they do that garbage on occasion though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    I've been told that someone coming out of the park just after dark got a ticket, but I haven't confirmed it. I've never ridden the park at night although there are organized night rides there all of the time.

    If someone gets cited for riding at night when they know it's not allowed, they deserve a ticket. If someone is trying to get an afternoon ride in this time of year after work and misjudges their exit time, that's kinda chickenshit to me.
    Wondering what the return on investment is for the State with the OT for the ocasional night time ticket is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    ...the return on investment is for the State...
    Why wonder.......when has the State of California given a flying f*ck over what the return on investment is for anything? If they decide to enforce something the state considers any expenditure of funds or resources to be justified. The State never worries about expenditures...because saving money is not their job, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    After years of riding Annadel and almost never seeing a ranger, I have now seen the ranger in the park each of my last four rides.

    Yesterday, she was giving a ticket to a guy with his dog. I don't have a problem with this, as every entrance to the park has a sign stating that dogs are not allowed in the park.

    Now, I'm hearing that they are stepping up enforcement of night riding in the park, as well. Riding after dark has never been allowed, but it has mostly been overlooked. I just heard a second hand story (that I'd like to verify) of someone leaving the park just after dark and getting stopped and handed a $300 ticket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwolters View Post
    Good

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    To what are you referring?

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    Purely rhetorical bockchoi. 🤓
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    When is the rest of the park supposed to reopen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Pride View Post
    When is the rest of the park supposed to reopen?
    And when will Hole In The Ground be open?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    To what are you referring?
    The night ride fine. You can't complain about one and endorse the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwolters View Post
    The night ride fine. You can't complain about one and endorse the other.

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    Sure you can. If you read the OP they said "just after dark" . So if I'm riding late afternoon and have a mechanical or misjudge my time and come out shortly after sunset to me that's dramatically different than intentionally setting out for a night ride where it's clearly posted that the park closes at sunset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwolters View Post
    The night ride fine. You can't complain about one and endorse the other.

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    Who is endorsing the other? I didn't read that in the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukas View Post
    Sure you can. If you read the OP they said "just after dark" . So if I'm riding late afternoon and have a mechanical or misjudge my time and come out shortly after sunset to me that's dramatically different than intentionally setting out for a night ride where it's clearly posted that the park closes at sunset.
    Bingo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    And when will Hole In The Ground be open?????
    This weekend Gary! I'll PM you a trail report.....😎👍
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukas View Post
    Sure you can. If you read the OP they said "just after dark" . So if I'm riding late afternoon and have a mechanical or misjudge my time and come out shortly after sunset to me that's dramatically different than intentionally setting out for a night ride where it's clearly posted that the park closes at sunset.
    Agreed in that case

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    Is there any actual information regarding (i) how severe is the damage to Ridge, Schultz, and Lawndale; and (ii) when the South half of the park might be reopened?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Flo View Post
    Is there any actual information regarding (i) how severe is the damage to Ridge, Schultz, and Lawndale; and (ii) when the South half of the park might be reopened?
    J-flo, I spoke with a park ranger the morning of super bowl Sunday. She said CalFire wants them to keep the currently closed part closed for 2 years. She said there is a lot of work and coordination happening behind the scenes and a lot of different agencies involved. She said they are hoping for a roll out opening that will open up Marsh and Two Quarry in the next 2-3 months. South Burma would remain closed though.

    She mentioned more than once that "riders" are "riding" closed trails and are causing further erosion. This was said in the context of potential further delays for reopening the closed sections. She didn't specify riders and I didn't push her. It was a friendly and civil chat. After all, I am a mountain biker - she might have been worried I was going to pick her up and throw her down the side of the trail.

    The night ride thing does worry me. I've got an 8 month old and a 3 year old at home with a spouse who works full time. My weekends are usually packed with family time and house chores. The weekday evenings are my best times to ride. If I get a ticket, I'll suck it up and pay it - I know the rules.


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    Thanks. But two years? Ow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-Flo View Post
    Thanks. But two years? Ow.
    Hey, maybe by then the SMART train will connect to Larkspur and run a northbound AM train before 11 AM? Would be a pretty fun day to ride transit up, ride the park, hit up RR, and have the train/ferry back home at the end of the day...

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    Thanks for the updates and intel, Chuck and Chasintrane. Bummer that S Burma's slated to remain closed.

    But stoked they're ticketing the dog people. Pisses me off.
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    Doesn't China Camp, another state park, ramp up enforcement of night riding from time to time as well? If enough people are breaking the rules, might give them cause.

    Not sure what issue the SP has with dogs..
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    They have a new sign up at the Spring Lake entrance. Electric sign; tells you exactly what time the park closes. It was 5:40 the other night. My spidey senses had me sprinting for my truck. I got out in time.

    Crazy. There were bikes just starting the ride up. I hope they didnít get ticketed.
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    Someone also got a ticket for being in the park too early--a little before sunrise. Does this ranger never sleep?
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    I won't bet my life on it, but I believe there will be more upper level trais opened soon. I'm hearing early March.

    As for the stepped up ticketing... I really don't get it. Why create issues where there haven't been any. Previous rangers had struck a balance where everyone played well together and no harm came to the park or users. I suspect it will all settle out once the fires have been put well behind us and the park is fully open. Let's see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post

    As for the stepped up ticketing... I really don't get it.
    Lots of condensed traffic with the closings. Kyle and I passed the same guy probably a half dozen times in one ride. All the hikers we passed were cool but all it takes is that few rotten apples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Pride View Post
    Lots of condensed traffic with the closings. Kyle and I passed the same guy probably a half dozen times in one ride. All the hikers we passed were cool but all it takes is that few rotten apples.
    This is 100% true. To look at it another way though, the more people are ticketed on the "social" trails or for riding just before or after dark, the more traffic will be driven on to what limited options are open right now. This could lead to increased user conflict in an already extremely congested area. Like it or not, these off the map trails aren't going anywhere, nor are the people that ride and maintain them. It seems to me that SP should be putting their resources towards opening the park, not playing a pointless, unwinnable game of Whack-A-Mole.

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    Interesting difference in State Parks. Down here at Montana de Oro, as a "day user" we're good to be 'parked' in the park till 10pm. After that, you just can't be parked in the park unless you're a camper in the campgrounds. Not being detail familiar with the parks of subject, do they have camping? Wondering if that's the difference?

    Dogs are only allowed in the St Pk campgrounds, that's it.

    "Dark" is a chicken-shit reference if that's what they're using. What's the actual cut-off? Our City managed network now enforces an old darkness closure rule that was never enforced and we rode nights for numerous years on the outskirts trails regularly. It was so common that nobody ever knew it was illegal. No signage, no nothing. NEVER any issues with MTB'rs, no callouts, injuries, etc. Measure A (IIRC) we (local mtb org) fought for funding for our Ranger Services for the trails. We got some trails and 3.5 positions opened up for Rangers. Now we get $561 tickets if you get caught on the trails an hour after sunset. At least the "hour after" allows for time to get off the trails and back to the trailhead under headlight conditions.

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    Agreed. I'm sure many regular day time riders are opting for alternative ride times due to the increased congestion. I would be.

    As for fire closed trails, I would hope by now the 'many' agencies (half dozen at least I would think?) could've assessed the areas and formed a plan of attack. Maybe this ramp up with ticketing is to generate some trail mitigation funding...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_510 View Post
    Doesn't China Camp, another state park, ramp up enforcement of night riding from time to time as well? If enough people are breaking the rules, might give them cause.
    The rangers at CC often cruise San Pedro at dusk, reminding people the park closes then. Parking on San Pedro at night for CC is not recommended, they be watching...

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    The 5:40 time referenced above was local sunset time for that day. That's pretty early, and there's usually usable light left, but it is easy to enforce without debate. Some park policies say dusk, which is more ambiguous because it is defined by how far the sun is below the horizon, which you can't just figure out on the spot by eye.

    edit - Annadel's published closing time is indeed sunset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Once again, Hogan is sounding better and better. I don't know how you folks live where you do without slitting your throats.

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