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    Rider badly injured in St. Joes, Los Gatos

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    The trails have speed limits? How would you know how fast you are going without looking away to a phone or watch or something. Hope he is all right.

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    Well, one of my coworkers invited me to ride at St. Joe's with him yesterday, but I already had plans. He scheduled to be in a couple meetings with me today, so I'll be on the lookout to make sure he's here.
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    I had no idea helicopter-spec’d injuries could be had at St. Joes’ – nothing there is technical (except for the surprised trail zombies who are always staring down at their feet).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    I had no idea helicopter-spec’d injuries could be had at St. Joes’ – nothing there is technical (except for the surprised trail zombies who are always staring down at their feet).
    There are many areas of exposed large rock in and on the side of the trails and you can reach some high speeds on some sections. I had a pretty bad crash there on the off camber hairpin turn because my front tire lost traction like I was on warm butter. No warning or time to react. Some nice rash from exposed gravel and rock...
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    Just ran into my coworker on Skype and he's not the rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    I had no idea helicopter-spec’d injuries could be had at St. Joes’ – nothing there is technical (except for the surprised trail zombies who are always staring down at their feet).
    There is a theory that you get less injuries on a technical trail than you do on a high speed trail. A technical trail may have more people fall, but because they are going slow the injuries are minor (if at all). On non0technical trails, riders go faster. They fall less, but when they do, the injuries are more major.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlespeed.org View Post
    There is a theory that you get less injuries on a technical trail than you do on a high speed trail. A technical trail may have more people fall, but because they are going slow the injuries are minor (if at all). On non0technical trails, riders go faster. They fall less, but when they do, the injuries are more major.
    Agree. My worst crashes have always been on less technical trails, JRA (just riding along) type crashes or for stupid reasons. The more technical, the more you're engaged, prepared and ready to react.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlespeed.org View Post
    There is a theory that you get less injuries on a technical trail than you do on a high speed trail. A technical trail may have more people fall, but because they are going slow the injuries are minor (if at all). On non0technical trails, riders go faster. They fall less, but when they do, the injuries are more major.
    I agree with that theory because technical trails you are going much slower and traction is generally better than on non-technical fire roads and flow trails. Also, non-technical fire roads and flow trails get really loose so washouts slams are common.

    Yet, all the municipalities only build non-technical trails. The steep fire road section on Blue Blossom trail (beginning of trail starting from Lawrence Creek) used to be a rocky technical fire road, but MPROS transformed into a more dangerous (my opinion) super sketchy loose gravel fire road with big rollers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    I had no idea helicopter-spec’d injuries could be had at St. Joes’ – nothing there is technical (except for the surprised trail zombies who are always staring down at their feet).
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    I've had a friend get heli'd out (twice!) after crashing on a fireroad descent in the Santa Ana Mtns. (Orange County). Got knocked out both times. I give fireroads a LOT of respect--but mainly I try to avoid them.
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    WOW! I hope he has finally dialed it back a bit...

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    He's always been a conservative rider, but I think he's figured out how to keep the carbon side up. Having a more modern/less XC bike has helped--and a dropper post!
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    Fire roads are unsafe and many are hard as concrete and off camber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Fire roads are unsafe and many are hard as concrete and off camber.
    I agree, all fire roads should be replaced with single track.

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    I especially like single track lined with nice shrubs to catch me when I crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    I agree, all fire roads should be replaced with single track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I especially like single track lined with nice shrubs to catch me when I crash.
    A lot of ours have that, but the nice shrubs are poison oak.

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    Well, to no surprise, rangers are up min St Joes with radar guns. Stopped an talked to one who said the injured rider was found down and no one knew what happened but was result of a crash.

    I did not require Calstar, but folded my amkle and knee in the wrong direction after getting out of sorts on a high speed water bar jump. Clipped out to catch myself and landed on the outside of my foot full weight, bending my leg inward at the knee. Rolled down on one foot and wife picked me up on Main Street. Unable to put any weight on the ankle/knee. I’ll be visiting Urgent Care tomorrow morning. My riding season looks to be shot.

    Hopefully I’m overreacting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RBoardman View Post
    Heart attack or stroke?
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    That’s more along the lines of what I was imagining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Fire roads are unsafe and many are hard as concrete and off camber.
    That's what made mtn biking so much fun in the 80s and 90s. Races like Revenge of the Siskyou in Ashland, talk about off-camber turns. Now all this "flowy trail" craze w/jumps and stuff has taken over, oh well.

    Hopefully this ride turns out to be OK in the long run.

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    All of my worst trail injuries have been on trails that I knew like the back of my hand.
    The only one I needed help getting out was when I broke my leg in many places, 3 places on the tibia. But even then I did a pretty good job of rotating my foot and ankle around to toes-forward and setting it temporarily.
    Being familiar and confident with the fairly buff trail did encourage me to haul ass and try something that was essentially stupid. Ouch.

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    With all this this happened to me jibberjabber on here has anyone found out what happened to the injured party? I'm just sayn.
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    My worst crash was definitely on an easy part of a technical trail.

    Same thing with surfing. Everyone hurts themselves on days when it's 2-4. They're paying attention when it's big!

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    Any more info on this?

    I'm fairly sure this happened because of the waterbars on the backside of St. Josephs Hill. These are straight, high speed sections with big, barely visible waterbars these days.

    What happens with a waterbar is if you don't see it and you don't lift or unload your suspension, your bike will compress and release all that energy on the other side of the bar. It will catapult you on the other side, putting your head in danger at high speed.

    This kind of issue happens all the time on easy trails with riders just riding along. I know of at least 5 cases of late.

    And in the crash, it's not the speed or the tech that's consequential, it's the slap and the dissipation of energy or lack of.
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