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    A ranger gave me a ticket (likely ~$200) yesterday 3.29.19 around 5pm at the bottom of Chupacabra as I exited to the road. She told me to tell my friends that the rangers are ticketing people riding UCSC trails, so Iím posting it here.
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    sounds like a ranger was driving on 9 when people pop out of the woods and ranger can't turn a blind eye.

    If they were serious , they would assign 3-5 ranges and just wait for the poachers come into their laps on Sat. and Sun.

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    Does this happen on weekdays? Seriously, I'd like to know.
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    Well, it did to bassman!

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    Fight it in court!

    Judges have better things to do. The rangers count on you just paying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo View Post
    If they were serious , they would assign 3-5 ranges and just wait for the poachers come into their laps on Sat. and Sun.
    Yup... fish in a barrel...


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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    Fight it in court!

    Judges have better things to do. The rangers count on you just paying.
    Are you assuming they won't show up or that there is some valid argument?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassssman View Post
    A ranger gave me a ticket (likely ~$200) yesterday 3.29.19 around 5pm at the bottom of Chupacabra as I exited to the road. She told me to tell my friends that the rangers are ticketing people riding UCSC trails, so Iím posting it here.
    Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Please report back when you get the bill because most of us on here have heard these tickets are more like $400. I paid $400 for illegal trail riding 3 years ago, but not in UCSC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamis View Post
    Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Please report back when you get the bill because most of us on here have heard these tickets are more like $400. I paid $400 for illegal trail riding 3 years ago, but not in UCSC.
    Itís around $400. And the second ticket is grave danger. Miss Demeanor I believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by SikeMo View Post
    Does this happen on weekdays? Seriously, I'd like to know.
    Yes, it can happen by many accounts. There are sweeps/stakeouts. But they will cite you if they are driving by or doing work in the area
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Yes, it can happen by many accounts. There are sweeps/stakeouts. But they will cite you if they are driving by or doing work in the area
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    Quote Originally Posted by SikeMo View Post
    Cotoni Coast/San Vicente can't come soon enough.
    Not gonna be the same gnar experience
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    Quote Originally Posted by EndurBro View Post
    Not gonna be the same gnar experience
    But it will attract a ton of riders away from HWY9, leaving more gnar and loam for us.

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    Anything new is good. I can only get down that way a few times a year, but man it's hard to justify the drive right now with all the ticketing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamis View Post
    Are you assuming they won't show up or that there is some valid argument?
    Thats a good point to bring up. It was well known back in the day officers have better things to do than go to court so they used to not show up for small tickets. I work for a police agency and it is in our policy for officers to go to court. They get in trouble if they don't. So people, don't fight it on the hopes they don't show up, they probably will. Unsolicited advice.

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    Man I am so glad I do not live in the Bay Area.

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    Rangers giving tickets/citations at UCSC (3.29.19)

    Quote Originally Posted by ToYZiLLa View Post
    Man I am so glad I do not live in the Bay Area.
    It is gorgeous here but it is rough for mountain bikers. And the outlook is tough for the next few years as most things will get worse before they get better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Itís around $400. And the second ticket is grave danger. Miss Demeanor I believe
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    It is gorgeous here but it is rough for mountain bikers. And the outlook is tough for the next few years as most things will get worse before they get better.
    Yea, I grew up in Santa Rosa, but now live just outside of Sacramento in Roseville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassssman View Post
    A ranger gave me a ticket (likely ~$200) yesterday 3.29.19 around 5pm at the bottom of Chupacabra as I exited to the road. She told me to tell my friends that the rangers are ticketing people riding UCSC trails, so Iím posting it here.
    Yep, they were there, waiting at this same spot on Sunday, 31 Apr in the late afternoon.

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    I've always gotten off my bike before the final sections down to the road to do a little recon, and if I smell something fishy, I'll climb back up. That said, I've yet to seen a ranger on patrol..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Gigi View Post
    I've always gotten off my bike before the final sections down to the road to do a little recon, and if I smell something fishy, I'll climb back up. That said, I've yet to seen a ranger on patrol..
    let's hope they don't start hiking up the bottom of the trail...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Gigi View Post
    I've always gotten off my bike before the final sections down to the road to do a little recon, and if I smell something fishy, I'll climb back up. That said, I've yet to seen a ranger on patrol..
    Poses a question. Not being a local there, are the trails just completely closed to any user or just "no bikes" allowed? Does walking your bike constitute "biking" if they don't see you riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    Fight it in court!

    Judges have better things to do. The rangers count on you just paying.
    There's a thought that taking it to court will result in a near automatic dismissal. I'm not sure where that comes form. The Ranger is happy to go to court, because he/she will be paid (often overtime) to go to court and it is a definite change from their regular routine. The judge has no reason to dismiss, if you were riding an illegal trail and it's posted/known to be illegal. You might get the fine reduced, but there's just no reason to think you'll get it dismissed.
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    You may also get stuck with court fees if the judge thinks you are wasting his/her time--this does not happen with car tickets but does with some other types----does anyone know what type of ticket this is ? Does it go on your driving record like the tickets road riders get from blowing stops etc?

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    As a rule of thumb, unless I see someone else on Hwy 9, I don't ride all the way to the pavement without scouting it first. I miss the days when Hwy 9 was closed to traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    Poses a question. Not being a local there, are the trails just completely closed to any user or just "no bikes" allowed? Does walking your bike constitute "biking" if they don't see you riding?
    At mount Tam there are a bunch of "no walking bikes allowed signs"

    I bet they could still ticket you and you would have to go to court to fight because you really were just taking your bike for a walk ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassssman View Post
    A ranger gave me a ticket (likely ~$200) yesterday 3.29.19 around 5pm at the bottom of Chupacabra as I exited to the road. She told me to tell my friends that the rangers are ticketing people riding UCSC trails, so Iím posting it here.
    Thatís what happens when you ride illegal trails

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    From MBOSC Mountain Biking Impact Review: Unsanctioned trails are not isolated to mountain bikers and are often a symptom of an unmet need for legitimate trail use options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassieno View Post
    At mount Tam there are a bunch of "no walking bikes allowed signs"

    I bet they could still ticket you and you would have to go to court to fight because you really were just taking your bike for a walk ;D
    These are not legal hiking trails either. The signage says "No tresspassing - keep out" or something like that. Not "No bikes"

    So I'd imagine they could give you the same ticket if they see you on foot. Not that anybody actually hikes there

    Best option is to just climb back up. There is at least one route that's not too bad of a pedal up.

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    what color are the ranger trucks (assuming they have trucks)?

    Guessing green or white from experience at other places.

    I always stop at the the top of the last bit of Chupa (up by that boulder) and squint to see if I can see ranger trucks parked in that shoulder area on 9.

    Never saw rangers (only fire & ambulance) this time when a rider was being carted away on an off-road stretcher with what looked like a shattered arm:
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    Quote Originally Posted by kookie View Post
    Yep, they were there, waiting at this same spot on Sunday, 31 Apr in the late afternoon.
    Appreciate this 2nd report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kookie View Post
    let's hope they don't start hiking up the bottom of the trail...
    They have at the waterfall
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassieno View Post
    At mount Tam there are a bunch of "no walking bikes allowed signs"

    I bet they could still ticket you and you would have to go to court to fight because you really were just taking your bike for a walk ;D
    In the US, if you are caught walking your bike in a No Bike Zone, you can/will get a ticket.

    In a few trails in Europe, this is perfectly fine and standard fare on some connector trails like National Park segments
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    Quote Originally Posted by shapethings View Post
    what color are the ranger trucks (assuming they have trucks)?

    Guessing green or white from experience at other places.

    I always stop at the the top of the last bit of Chupa (up by that boulder) and squint to see if I can see ranger trucks parked in that shoulder area on 9.

    Never saw rangers (only fire & ambulance) this time when a rider was being carted away on an off-road stretcher with what looked like a shattered arm:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamis View Post
    Are you assuming they won't show up or that there is some valid argument?
    I got a speeding ticket once...fought it and the opposite happened: about 4 rangers showed up. There's your money at work. But the judge dropped the $400+ ticket to about $200, so it's worth it. But isn't this system technically illegal? Mine was related to speeding so I was trying to argue arbitrary speed limits and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassssman View Post
    A ranger gave me a ticket (likely ~$200) yesterday 3.29.19 around 5pm at the bottom of Chupacabra as I exited to the road. She told me to tell my friends that the rangers are ticketing people riding UCSC trails, so Iím posting it here.
    Update: I looked up my citation online and it's an Infraction for $280 (probably would be more if it was a Misdemeanor). I haven't yet decided what I'll do. Will keep you posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassssman View Post
    Update: I looked up my citation online and it's an Infraction for $280 (probably would be more if it was a Misdemeanor). I haven't yet decided what I'll do. Will keep you posted.
    Yikes! Keep us updated. For now, I'm not heading that way at all. Not worth it, it's already too much to live in the Bay Area never mind a ticket worth $280 and a visit to the courthouse to pray it's reduced.

    Good luck man.

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    To add a little: Yesterday on 4/25 around 11:30 a ranger shooed me away from delivering mail. He was super pissed that someone had cut down the little green fencing they had put up at the trailhead. He didn't threaten me with a ticket. I noticed that he had some tools with him, so apparently he was in the process of repairing the fencing. Perhaps one of the older entrances will suffice for now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NORCAL1979 View Post
    To add a little: Yesterday on 4/25 around 11:30 a ranger shooed me away from delivering mail. He was super pissed that someone had cut down the little green fencing they had put up at the trailhead. He didn't threaten me with a ticket. I noticed that he had some tools with him, so apparently he was in the process of repairing the fencing. Perhaps one of the older entrances will suffice for now...
    Shoot, I was planning on going to the post office soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Itís around $400. And the second ticket is grave danger. Miss Demeanor I believe
    Generally speaking, most of these types of violations ARE misdemeanors (at least that's the case here in San Diego) that are issued as infractions. They are NEVER prosecuted as misdemeanors because then by law, the defendant could request a jury trial and free legal representation....obviously ay too involved and expensive to bother with for such a small potential fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5k bike 50cent legs View Post
    From MBOSC Mountain Biking Impact Review: Unsanctioned trails are not isolated to mountain bikers and are often a symptom of an unmet need for legitimate trail use options.
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    Three Sheriff cars and two rangers this afternoon at the water trough on nine. The five of us elected to not risk riding past and booked it up Chupa to the top. Brutal!
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    Thanks for the info. Wow, this ranger season seems particularly long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EndurBro View Post
    Three Sheriff cars and two rangers this afternoon at the water trough on nine. The five of us elected to not risk riding past and booked it up Chupa to the top. Brutal!
    Wonder if it has to do with the Ross homeless camp closure? I assume a bunch of folks headed up the valley..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kookie View Post
    Thanks for the info. Wow, this ranger season seems particularly long.
    this is crazy. New normal?
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    I've been riding weekday afternoons down hwy 9 trails over the past few weeks. I haven't seen any rangers at the bottom. However, I always do a ranger-scoping before finishing the drop down to 9.

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