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    MIKE V. apprehended by UC POLICE!!!!

    Several days ago, one of our customers came in to tell us this event that happened to him recently while riding bikes in Berkeley.

    On Saturday May 15th, he was riding a trail behind the UC Berkeley campus, when he was stopped by a crazed hiker furnishing an ice pick. The crazed hiker attempted to slice the tire and potentially attack him. In attempt to defend himself, our customer raised a fist and was going to knock the deranged hiker out. The said hiker replied with, "you aren't going to hit a guy twice your age are you?", and the cyclist decided not to but replied with, "no, but I'm going to go contact the UC police". The cyclist headed down the hill and then reported to the UC police, the encounter he just had. Having no idea the name of the crazy hiker, he put in the report with the police and they seemed to know who this said hiker was.
    Several days later, the cyclist was called into the UC Berkeley police station to pick the hiker out of a line up. He picked out Mr. V right away, and after he left the line up room, ANOTHER cyclist came in to pick him out of the line up for yet another similar situation.
    Mr. V was apprehended and arrested, and is currently facing charges for several accounts of furnishing a weapon and false imprisonment. The police are urging anyone else who has had similar situations to please come forward and file a report. When the cyclist asked the policeman if he was going to site him for riding the trail, the policeman replied with "no, we are not enforcing the use of the trail, and by the way there is no official ruling about bicycles on that trail".

    Here is a link to the UC police log for that day so you can revel in a victory for the Norcal mountain bike community!

    http://police.berkeley.edu/bulletins/05152010Page2.htm
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    nice! time to update the comment sections of the recent articles

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    One more trail to ride! And one less crazy to worry about. At least for a little while.

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    Nice work! Do we know for sure it was Wackjob PhD?
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    Great. We need a mugshot picture to post in various comment sections...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger
    Nice work! Do we know for sure it was Voldemort?
    FIxed Also, great news. Now will someone please find the actual record of his being charged as that is what people will need to refer to when joining in on any possible action or suit. Also, are they giving a cutoff of similar reports, like say the 3 year mark?

    ie: Report# ..-..964

    Charged/Cited # XXXXXXX.

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    This is awesome.

    I've been reading he stuff for years and he is simply off kilter but sane enough to avoid getting nailed.

    Until now.

    I could cry for happy.

    Great work, guys.

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    From my report, he is currently not is custody, and is awaiting the hearing(s)...
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    Classic if true. I can't wait to see the arrest report and booking photo. Someone will need to contact the UCPD. This is a job for the press. Gregg? Francis?

    Case #10-01964, Officer Garlick, "If you have a question about a particular case, you may call the UCPD business line at 510-642-6760 and make your request to Records who will then let you know if that information can be made public."

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    I've got no "brandished weapon" claim

    unfortunately, but he did start a tangle with my buddy way back when. I'll see if I can locate said buddy and give him the news. Maybe he'll jump on board.

    To the OP: my buddy worked at your Oakland shop way back when: Dirty ___ I believe was his nickname. Any chance you talk to him much?
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    please be true....

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    I love how it was Ian that got him, so fitting.
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    There is a god!!!

    Way to keep your head Ian. I don't know if I would have been able to keep from pounding that old nut. The twice my age defense would not have worked with me but my college days ended 2 1/2 decades ago.

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    Nice work on behalf of the PD (to finally pick this guy up) and the confronted/detained/mtbrs who were able to keep their cool and help pin this guy.

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    I'll have to....

    ... go find Officer Garlick and thank him personally.

    It would be sweet if the OP can take him to small claims court and get MV to pay for the damage to his bike..... just for the record ... and the chuckle.

    Man, I hope he gets charged for real, and somebody thinks to bring in all of the over-the-line abusive junk he has spewed mtbr's way, laughing at cyclists death... that sorta thing. Get it read into the public record.

    I mean, I don't have an issue with somebody having crazy or stupid opinions. This is America after all. I do object to him acting in an abusive manner to folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJensen
    I love how it was Ian that got him, so fitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peletonnissen
    Several days ago, one of our customers came in to tell us this event that happened to him recently while riding bikes in Berkeley.

    On Saturday May 15th, he was riding a trail behind the UC Berkeley campus, when he was stopped by a crazed hiker furnishing an ice pick. The crazed hiker attempted to slice the tire and potentially attack him. In attempt to defend himself, our customer raised a fist and was going to knock the deranged hiker out. The said hiker replied with, "you aren't going to hit a guy twice your age are you?", and the cyclist decided not to but replied with, "no, but I'm going to go contact the UC police". The cyclist headed down the hill and then reported to the UC police, the encounter he just had. Having no idea the name of the crazy hiker, he put in the report with the police and they seemed to know who this said hiker was.
    Several days later, the cyclist was called into the UC Berkeley police station to pick the hiker out of a line up. He picked out Mr. V right away, and after he left the line up room, ANOTHER cyclist came in to pick him out of the line up for yet another similar situation.
    Mr. V was apprehended and arrested, and is currently facing charges for several accounts of furnishing a weapon and false imprisonment. The police are urging anyone else who has had similar situations to please come forward and file a report. When the cyclist asked the policeman if he was going to site him for riding the trail, the policeman replied with "no, we are not enforcing the use of the trail, and by the way there is no official ruling about bicycles on that trail".

    Here is a link to the UC police log for that day so you can revel in a victory for the Norcal mountain bike community!

    http://police.berkeley.edu/bulletins/05152010Page2.htm
    Awesome!

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    So will the date that this M. Voldemort cretin gets charged become a new bay area MTB holiday?
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    Thats great

    i wonder if he knows about the "kill some one or become ones bltch" prison survival guide. Hopefully not..

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    Quote Originally Posted by FANATIK-J
    So will the date that this M. Voldemort cretin gets charged become a new bay area MTB holiday?
    I think we should celebrate Mike V day by shuttling Side O! (which is not an illegal trail and therefore is perfectly ok to discuss online, right. right??)
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    Weird...they were handing out tickets at the bottom last fall.

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    anybody have a photo of this kook so we know who to look out for?
    Just ride down there and jump off something for crying out loud...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryman
    anybody have a photo of this kook so we know who to look out for?
    There is a facebook profile for mike vandeman from san ramon, ca. Looks like he's removed his profile pic, but google has cached it.

    This may or may not be him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    There is a facebook profile for mike vandeman from san ramon, ca. Looks like he's removed his profile pic, but google has cached it.

    This may or may not be him.
    This aughta be fun!
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    Excellent news

    A new thread just popped up about this guy on TGR yesterday, great timing on the arrest.

    A lot of hate for him over there (and just about everywhere else too).

    maybe this will shut him up, at least for a little bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumpy
    A new thread just popped up about this guy on TGR yesterday, great timing on the arrest.

    A lot of hate for him over there (and just about everywhere else too).

    maybe this will shut him up, at least for a little bit?
    I'd say unlikely

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    "you aren't going to hit a guy twice your age, are you?"

    "you didn't just assault a mtn biker with an ice pick, did you?"

    aggressively brash and a pussi, what a combo!

    maybe a 5150 is in order for this wacky geezer. he's giving wacky geezers everywhere a bad name.

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    I'd LOVE to be @ his court hearing...

    anyone know when it is or more info? We need a cheering section...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrm
    anyone know when it is or more info? We need a cheering section...
    I think posting up some nice riding pictures on their anti-mountain biking page is highly appropriate!

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Mountain-Biking-is-Illegal-HERE-Post-your-Poacher-Pics-here/117731878242599
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    I think posting up some nice riding pictures on their anti-mountain biking page is highly appropriate!

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Mountain-Biking-is-Illegal-HERE-Post-your-Poacher-Pics-here/117731878242599
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM
    done.....
    too funny!
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    As awesome as this is, he will only take what we do and turn it against us.
    Any comment and pic posted to the FB site will be downloaded and put on his website. "Here's CHUM riding some illegal trail somewhere."
    We need this guy. He's such a kook that it makes anti-mtbers look like fools when this is their spokesperson. If the pro-mtb side had a guy like this, we'd be doing everything we can to shut him up. I wouldn't support a MTBer out harassing other trail users for our benefit. The anti-mtb side is likely happy about this too.
    Likely, the only people that think this guy is awesome are other kooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan51
    As awesome as this is, he will only take what we do and turn it against us.
    Any comment and pic posted to the FB site will be downloaded and put on his website. "Here's CHUM riding some illegal trail somewhere."
    We need this guy. He's such a kook that it makes anti-mtbers look like fools when this is their spokesperson. If the pro-mtb side had a guy like this, we'd be doing everything we can to shut him up. I wouldn't support a MTBer out harassing other trail users for our benefit. The anti-mtb side is likely happy about this too.
    Likely, the only people that think this guy is awesome are other kooks.
    all the pics posted thus far are on legal trails. I just thought his FB page needed a little riding stoke!
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    it is good to here that one more crazy is off local trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan51
    As awesome as this is, he will only take what we do and turn it against us.
    Any comment and pic posted to the FB site will be downloaded and put on his website. "Here's CHUM riding some illegal trail somewhere."
    We need this guy. He's such a kook that it makes anti-mtbers look like fools when this is their spokesperson. If the pro-mtb side had a guy like this, we'd be doing everything we can to shut him up. I wouldn't support a MTBer out harassing other trail users for our benefit. The anti-mtb side is likely happy about this too.
    Likely, the only people that think this guy is awesome are other kooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    There is a facebook profile for mike vandeman from san ramon, ca. Looks like he's removed his profile pic, but google has cached it.

    This may or may not be him.
    Not in MV's defense, but on his facebook page, I saw that photo and it is of one of his friends, not MV himself. Don't want to go accusing the wrong guy on the street.

    That being said, I think a celebratory ride is in order tonight. I have my bike packed up, and will be riding somewhere on the peninsula tonight. Maybe Skeggs, maybe Waterdog, not sure.

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    That facebook page is gold
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    this is something i thought would never happen

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    Wonder if someone can get a restraining order for MV to stay 500 feet away from ANY singletrack... as he is clearly a threat to anyone on any trail, ice pick and all....

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    That rules! That kook has been threatening riders up there for a long time.
    Thanks for the facebook.
    Never knew that was the same kook. (I have not rode there in a very long time)

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    We still need some sort of confirmation that it was indeed Mr V.

    Shouldn't an arraignment or whatever it ishappen within a couple of days?

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    since he's about my age, does that mean I get to smack him one??
    Just kidding, I'm 3000 mi away, but he caused me some grief back when I lived in the BA.
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    Although it's awesome that Dr. whacko was apprehended, my guess is that he gets probation and community service with a small fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ham Er Hed
    Although it's awesome that Dr. whacko was apprehended, my guess is that he gets probation and community service with a small fine.
    I think a 100 hours or so with IMBA would be fitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ham Er Hed
    Although it's awesome that Dr. whacko was apprehended, my guess is that he gets probation and community service with a small fine.
    Make him volunteer at Trips for Kids!
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    Everyone who has had a similar experience with the whacko should respond to the crime alert notice in the above link. The police are doing their job and we need to do ours. The outcome of this may be in the balance, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWright
    Fantastic!
    And it is "brandishing"
    As someone who works in a furniture store, 'furnishing' is ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ham Er Hed
    Although it's awesome that Dr. whacko was apprehended, my guess is that he gets probation and community service with a small fine.
    probation and a restrainig order would be awesome. Violating terms of probabtion could be a bigger deal. But I'd bet he likely would only be fined.

    Quote Originally Posted by dan51
    As awesome as this is, he will only take what we do and turn it against us.
    Any comment and pic posted to the FB site will be downloaded and put on his website. "Here's CHUM riding some illegal trail somewhere."
    We need this guy. He's such a kook that it makes anti-mtbers look like fools when this is their spokesperson. If the pro-mtb side had a guy like this, we'd be doing everything we can to shut him up. I wouldn't support a MTBer out harassing other trail users for our benefit. The anti-mtb side is likely happy about this too.
    Likely, the only people that think this guy is awesome are other kooks.
    I'm no lawyer, but if he is informed that he posted a pic or info of someone riding legally, but representing it as illegal, he would need to take it down or else it he is knowingly committing defamation/libel.

    In fact, I'd encourage anyone that is already (falsly) listed on his site to somehow notify him and his ISP what he is doing.

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    just got off the horn with the UC Berkeley PD records dept (accessed via the business/non-emergency line).....

    nothing new yet....no public record of arrest yet.....it may take a little while for the arresting Officer to file their report....

    again the case # is 10-01964...
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    I've forwarded this thread to all my Berkeley friends who've had run in with him... They're ready to go in to pick him out of a line up. Which Ian reported him? Ian M?
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    This is the best news I've heard in a long while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte
    As someone who works in a furniture store, 'furnishing' is ok.
    We can wish for the mt bike bigot to be furnished with a hundred counts of "false imprisonment"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes
    Also, he's got a list of people who claims have been noted mountain biking illegally:
    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/mtb95
    Patty Ciesla is public enemy #1 according to the list. We need to find this culprit!

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    awesome news!!
    someone needs to post his court date. i, for one, will be taking that day off to go watch.
    who's with me?

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    [QUOTE=Stripes]From his Facebook page:

    Mountain Biking is Illegal HERE - Post your Poacher Pics here Email your pics or video to [email protected] for anonymous posting or post them yourself. Please indicate date, trail, city and state.

    So he's got that email too. Also, he's got a list of people who claims have been noted mountain biking illegally:


    Ahhhh! Don't link to his junk. He'll get referrer notifications leading back to this thread. Please edit. Don't click.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes
    From his Facebook page:

    Mountain Biking is Illegal HERE - Post your Poacher Pics here Email your pics or video to [email protected] for anonymous posting or post them yourself. Please indicate date, trail, city and state.

    So he's got that email too. Also, he's got a list of people who claims have been noted mountain biking illegally:
    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/mtb95
    I say we fill up his email box with full res TIFF files of perfectly legal singletrack riding.

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    Watching this thread with interest. Almost makes me wish I'd run into the guy before so I could testify against him. As an East Bay and SF Bay area resident and MTBr, I really hope this guy gets convicted so that maybe he tones down his psycho anti-bike actions or at least so he loses what credibility he has left.

    Quote Originally Posted by Biker_Scout_Sparky
    awesome news!!
    someone needs to post his court date. i, for one, will be taking that day off to go watch.
    who's with me?
    I want to know who's prosecuting the guy so we can help them gather evidence to illustrate the danger this guy poses.

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    You can help gather evidence by responding to the crime alert as posted by the UC Berkeley Police. I doubt they want more lineup IDs, just people to truthfully say that they think this is the same guy who acted in a similar way in the past. We should not expect much of a punishment, regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskare
    You can help gather evidence by responding to the crime alert as posted by the UC Berkeley Police. I doubt they want more lineup IDs, just people to truthfully say that they think this is the same guy who acted in a similar way in the past. We should not expect much of a punishment, regardless.

    I agree with all of the above except your last sentence. UC seems to take a dim view of weapons on campus, let alone using one.

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    I was kinda thinkin' that bradishing an icepack had to be at least kinda serious....

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    He was also brandishing a hardbound book.

    I am reminded of the time Michael Moore was busted for making trails near China Camp. I'm sure the anti-bike forces were as jubilant as we are today. Let's proceed smartly here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike
    I am reminded of the time Michael Moore was busted for making trails near China Camp. I'm sure the anti-bike forces were as jubilant as we are today. Let's proceed smartly here.
    A knife weilding psycho, assaulting trail users reminds you of a mountain biker? Sorry, I don't see the similarity at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike
    I am reminded of the time Michael Moore was busted for making trails near China Camp. I'm sure the anti-bike forces were as jubilant as we are today. Let's proceed smartly here.
    You are still trying to equate false imprisonment and brandishing a deadly weapon perpetrated by a deranged individual - with riding or building a trail? You must have aced your Doublespeak 101.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    I say we fill up his email box with full res TIFF files of perfectly legal singletrack riding.
    I say we ignore him.

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    I love how it was Ian that got him, so fitting.
    *I was all about not talking about Voldemort, but this is kinda cool now..

    Ditto that Ian is the most cool/mellow guy I've met from that shop and another place before.

    Ian, if all goes well, let me buy you a beer, heck, let us buy you a keg!

    BTW..ROFLMAO: https://www.facebook.com/group.php?g....3056852938..1

    Also Kenju's (Japanese MTB Team Rider from a few years back) trying to find his page and cuss him out in Japanese..it's gotta be bad when a tourist/visitor you harassed gets to lay in on you! Apparently he's shut down his wall to prevent opposition replies.

    I believe this is Voldemort's new avatar?
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    Idea!

    Important thing here, I almost forgot to put this in a post..excuse me whilst I get up no my soapbox and give a little speech/sermon..





    *Ian, Ian's employer, others publicly named and defamed on his site (ie:Patty, Jacqueline, etc.), we need someone to sit down and download and save as much as possible off of his website and Facebook, etc and have copies made and certified by a Public Notary or legal office.

    Note: We also could use MTBR's database and post info from his past online harassments if MTBR's site administration will allow any saved posts and information to be given in printed and data form to be presented as evidence.




    We then need someone to go to the D.A.'s office and present that information and a list of people he's affected.




    We then need someone to step up and represent Ian, and those others.




    All of which not only will back up the possible "Brandishing a Weapon" charge, but also..




    Potentially..




    Force the D.A.'s Office into seeking a suit against him in a Class-Action format for Intentional Harassment and Hate Crimes.




    See where we, as a peaceful and threatened and harassed public user group, that has been affected and threatened by him can easily take this if we all put our heads together.




    Someone please, we all know each other has contacts, maybe it is time we find a situation such as this, just as we have done with dangerous drivers, to band together and put a stop to the actions of this individual.



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    Two wrongs don't make a right. Two completely unrelated wrongs...not sure if that makes any sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger
    Two wrongs don't make a right. Two completely unrelated wrongs...not sure if that makes any sense.
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    To Curmy and Iheart are reading something else.

    My point is very different. What Michael V and Michael M did and how one weighs them is not the point. What is the point is that each faction, anti-mtb and pro-mtb use such figureheads of their opposition to their advantage with the same zeal I hear in this thread. It is as if it proves their point; anti-mtb'ers are just bike-hater wackos and pro-mtb'ers are bent on environmental destruction.

    My comment was, then, let us be careful of how we put this to use.

    Frankly Michael V's position in the community has long been on the fringe and disregarded by most folks. The Sierra Club won't have anything to do with him. The only time he really gets any traction is when he baits members of our community and they try to argue with him. It makes him far bigger than he really is. You think we would know better than to enter into any discourse with him. His written voice, even to the uninitiated, reveals a hysterical disposition from a loose hinge and when you point that out in a discussion you have taken the pins right out from under him.

    This current event is just the last flick to get the sticky booger off of your finger. Rather than a watershed or pivotal point it is more of a simple come-uppance. Very satisfying that such criminal behavior is apprehended, his point finally made with a weapon. I hope to god it really is V because as with most passive-aggressive characters they are a pain and simply being rid of the smell would be nice. Politically though, this is pretty small.

    Michael Moore was not a crackpot by any stretch of the imagination and held the respect of many of us.

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    It it turns out to be true, it'll be fun to remind Mickey everytime he posts his hatred online of his real life behavior. Should be fun.
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    Photo of MJV PHD

    Quote Originally Posted by ryman
    anybody have a photo of this kook so we know who to look out for?
    Met him last year at the State Parks Advocacy day and got into a "debate" about mountain bikes on trails. I outed him as MJV after he called me a "liar" with the generalization that "all mountain bikers are liars".

    I discretely snapped a photo of him at registration.
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    +1 again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger
    +1

    Makes the most sense strategically.

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    Perspective folks

    No one is arguing that trail building and wielding an ice pick are equally offensive from any objective or legal stand point. This is about perception:

    Our current concern / perceptions: Ice picks are not a good way to greet people on trails

    Current concern / perceptions of "human-free nature"(for lack of a better term on the fly) ideologues: Trail building destroys nature, environment and therefore a future.

    Both perceptions drive people into action. Let's not do anything to provoke more action against our interests. This might include e-harassing nutjobs or their friends or followers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike
    My point is very different. What Michael V and Michael M did and how one weighs them is not the point.
    No, it is exactly the point.

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    FINALLY!!! I was becoming tired of reading about this abrasive, confrontational J-hole.
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    MV Arrested

    What's next with this wacko? A more deadly weapon?

    Let's find out his court dates and have a cheering section for the District Attorney and UCPD. He'll probably pay a fine and get probation if found guilty, but maybe the probation could be to stay away from the trails.

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    Excellent news! I sure hope all who've been harassed on the trail can come forward...just thinking of him having to come in for a couple more lineups makes me smile! The news even got attached to his recent remarks in SFgate on the Marin high school mtn bike league! Love the idea of having him do trail work as community service!
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    Let It Go

    Probably the best thing to do is ride the trails and pity this poor sap. The guy obviously has pain inside or finds poking fun at MTB's as much fun as we do ripin' single track. He's obviously never bombed a trail that cuases permagrin. Even when he hiking he's bitter and looking for some person to offend him.
    Just be thankful that you're not stuck in that place. Instead you have fun riding with freinds and chillin' after a ride. It's not likely he's enjoying much of life and we're not going to make that change. He is also not going to persuade anyone else about much of anything (even with his "logic" and PhD.) He is probably grieving the good old days before Mt. Bikes. That's O.K. But it doesn't give licence to do what he's been doing. He clearly doesn't know how to persuade anyone. So he is enraged. Let's not do the same. Let's show that were good folks that like to ride. Not trying to hurt anyone. So just let it be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlaff
    Probably the best thing to do is ride the trails and pity this poor sap. The guy obviously has pain inside or finds poking fun at MTB's as much fun as we do ripin' single track. He's obviously never bombed a trail that cuases permagrin. Even when he hiking he's bitter and looking for some person to offend him.
    Just be thankful that you're not stuck in that place. Instead you have fun riding with freinds and chillin' after a ride. It's not likely he's enjoying much of life and we're not going to make that change. He is also not going to persuade anyone else about much of anything (even with his "logic" and PhD.) He is probably grieving the good old days before Mt. Bikes. That's O.K. But it doesn't give licence to do what he's been doing. He clearly doesn't know how to persuade anyone. So he is enraged. Let's not do the same. Let's show that were good folks that like to ride. Not trying to hurt anyone. So just let it be.
    Sure Mike V.

    It's not like people are attacking the guy with metal objects. They followed what is demanded of people in a society: they went to the cops and let the legal system handle him. He does so with sharp metal objects, and it's only a matter of time (and luck for him it didn't happen already), that someone feels their life being threatened and ends up killing or severely injuring him. This can also turn that weapon waving into a weapon that can kill or severely injure the person you say you're playing with. Mike V. is trying to create a situation, and elevate situations, perhaps to say he was attacked by mountain bikers. The frustration was that things did not elevate. Anyone who doesn't get that, like him, is a threat to society.

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    mlaff,
    This bigot, and he is a bigot with a prejudice against anyone who rides a bike off road, is not just some harmless fruitcake. he does not just poke fun at mountain bikers, he sends his garbage to each and every public comment opportunity that involves mountain biking. If found guilty, he can rightfully be labeled a "terrorist" and be marginalized even more effectively. Anyone who has been personally harassed by him needs to file a report with the proper agency to increase the penalty he pays.
    "Let it go" is not the answer, now is the time to pile on as much as possible to take full advantage of the opportunity.

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    DO NOT "LET THIS GO." Being nice has got us squat, and will continue to get us squat.

    V***man has ruined our reputation with tens of thousands of people by spreading decades of lies about the impact of mountain biking (less or equal to hiking, as demonstrated by every controlled study ever done). Sure, we all know he's a kook...but there are tens of thousands of people who have seen his lies and taken them for truth because of that (useless and unrelated) Ph.D.

    We need to demonstrate that we are tired of having our freedoms curtailed by psychotic liars with an axe to grind. If you've been assaulted by him, absolutely contact Berkeley police. If you've been publicly defamed by him, absolutely join Obi.

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    I think you all are missing Berkely Mike's point: that the poster child for all that's wrong with the opposition has been caught & busted. It has nothing to do with the crime; it's all about the person. And the advice to not go overboard celebrating is good as well. I'm no fan of MJV; he was a thorn in my side in the '90s & nearly threw a monkey wrench into the project @ Water Dog Lake. Just like we admonish others to not judge all cyclists by the behavior of one, we should follow that same advice here. I'd be interested to know what Michael More thinks about this & how we should react.
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    'Let it go' is not a good idea. Addressing the issue appropriately is. We don't know that the apprehended suspect is actually Whacko PhD. There are lots of Whackos out there. Until I see his name and face in the police report, I am going to assume that it was one of his less intelligent lacky whackys.
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    Another UC Berkeley Crime log entry....

    Here is another entry from few days before the report I previously posted...

    http://police.berkeley.edu/bulletins/05102010.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes
    Berkeley Mike: Please, PLEASE, stop making everything about you. It's about everybody here. As MTBers, we're finally getting together and staying up for ourselves instead of just thinking it's going to magically happen from someone else.

    I have printed out copies of Voldemort's website with his life of people who bike illegally, and his Facebook community of MTB poachers. I'll see what I can do to get them notarized.
    It is precisely because somone FINALLY stood up for themselves that this guy got busted.

    It is precisely because mountain bikers are non-violent and easily cowed that it took this long.

    We need to be more vocal and less afraid to report people like voldemort. Physically attacking people is much worse than mountain biking illegally. This is made patently clear with the police reports - they are going after Mike V, not the mountain biker.

    I see no harm in bolstering this new found confidence, taking pride in it and having a little fun along the way. F Mike V!
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    Quote Originally Posted by peletonnissen
    Here is another entry from few days before the report I previously posted...

    http://police.berkeley.edu/bulletins/05102010.htm
    Josh, can you confirm with your buddy that the dude he had the run in with is Mike V?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 105millimetersofpleasure

    Both perceptions drive people into action. Let's not do anything to provoke more action against our interests. This might include e-harassing nutjobs or their friends or followers.
    Totally disagree.

    This tail between the legs mentallity got us where we are today. If people would have been less afraid of getting in trouble or making trouble - this guy would have been busted 10 years ago.

    That's how long this has been going on. Actually, longer.

    It is a great day when people learn to not be afraid and to stand up for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    ....This tail between the legs mentallity got us where we are today. If people would have been less afraid of getting in trouble or making trouble - this guy would have been busted 10 years ago.

    That's how long this has been going on. Actually, longer.

    It is a great day when people learn to not be afraid and to stand up for themselves.
    +1...cannot agree more......

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    I say we fill up his email box with full res TIFF files of perfectly legal singletrack riding.

    Hotmail has a box size limit, doesn't it?
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    Well if anyone wanted to really wants to help him out and send him the accurate info on poachers that he really is looking for, his direct email addy is

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    It is not about me

    It is about the value of the event which lies in how we understand it. Discussion determines that as thoughts evolve. That is the principle value of this forum. That is why attacking a contributor has so much less value than engaging the thinking. The conundrum of owning one's ideas and not hiding behind anonymity has a price. I'm willing to pay that.

    Anyhow.........

    The impression this event creates outside our community and with people who challenge our right to use trails is harder to understand. Those who challenge us are likely to disregard the value of V's circumstance and disregard him as a wingnut. This is something we could not do with Michael Moore. The general public, with less of an anti-mtb agenda, might be more sympathetic to us. This will effect the greater view of the event.

    The primary value to us is that FINALLY someone stood up, turned one of these clowns in, and worked to make it stick. It was a tough situation and merits a touch to the visor. This means more to mountain bikers than all the talk. Does anyone think that our discussion of the assault in Granite Bay on a lady rider earlier this spring had anything to do with a sense of conviction about how to handle such things in the future? Does anyone think that previous discussion about a similar event a few weeks ago in the same area have anything to do with a sense of conviction about how to handle such things in the future?

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    Thank goodness...

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    I disagree with this part of Ihearts statement

    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    It is precisely because mountain bikers are non-violent and easily cowed that it took this long.
    I'm not so sure that mtb'ers are non-violent; that is another discussion altogether!

    Nor do I think that they are easily cowed. I think, rather, that they would rather just get on with riding their bikes in the limited time they have dedicated to do so. The value of weird events and encounters, the tendency to say "whatever", clip in and get your jones, and otherwise simply roll-on into fat tired bliss and trust to karma (or someone else to do the work) is more the point. Few things really stop us on the trail. Few riders spend much time outside their actual saddle time creating possibilities for riders. Few riders stop to talk to people on the trail unless it impacts them directly or they are holding an extra IPA and a medium rare burger.

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    Let me clarify the "Let it go" thought. He is clearly out of touch with reality. A simple search and read of his volumes on the net make that celar. He obviously reads a lot. Then he writes a lot. The writing shows his lack of credibility and logic. He writes about subjects of all types with the aire of an expert. most true experts in a field (hopefully trail manangers) can see through it by now. It's baloney. All he does is pick and criticize, drive to have the world rid of humans so animals have "pristine habitat", and puff himself up. He's trying to be important. But in reality he must be lonely and bored. Where else would he get the time? Right now he is, with the police. Let that play out. If his desire is attention, and it appears it is, don't give it to him on the forums, or anywhere else. But do report him to the police if he assaults in person. That's the kind of attention that might slow him down. But my guess is he'll pull a marter move and will enjoy being arrested so his "envronmental issue" can get public attention. Again, we loose. So I'm not saying "be nice". I'm saying, let the police handle and don't call victory yet.

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    well, duh!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    A knife weilding psycho, assaulting trail users reminds you of a mountain biker? Sorry, I don't see the similarity at all.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but Berkeley Mike is just saying lets not get out the pinata and beer and have a parade quite yet.

    You're oversimplifying, and you know it.

    To average joe citizen who doesn't care about bikes, carving up the wilderness, (and I know... China Camp is hardly wilderness to us, but it could be seen as that to somebody who doesn't go outdoors) to make his own personal playground might be just as bad as MV threatening a biker on a possibly off limits trail.



    *edit*

    I'm not suggesting anybody back down, or is backing down. I think that attacking him in a juvenile way (and believe me, I'm quite guilty of this too) as fun as it is, is not helping our cause. In fact, it just makes MV's case in MV's little mind that he is in the right. He wants us to get in fights with him. I'm sure if he pissed somebody off enough and they decked him and laid him out, that would be his wet dream come true because that would solidify in his mind that we are a bunch of evil people that need to be wiped off the face of the earth... and he could parade himself in front of the media with a lawsuit showing the world just how evil we are.

    It's really just feeding his need for attention. I personally don't wanna get revenge on the guy or anything. I would be perfectly happy if he just disappeared back into the woodwork from whence he came.

    In the future, if anybody has a run-in with MV (or anybody else who is abusive, really), we should not let him get away with anything... he touches you at all, call the cops... he touches the bike, call the cops... shoot video on your digital camera or cell phone... anything that we can pile on to make sure that it is in the public record that he's a kook, a potentially dangerous kook.... So future incidents won't just slide by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes
    Letting the police "just handle it" doesn't work either. You need to make sure there's enough evidence to do something that makes society realize that people like this are dangerous. Otherwise, this behavior will just continue, whether the police do the right thing or not.

    Outrage is in our favor right now, and it's a good idea to take advantage of that energy and turn it into something positive.

    Think about it. V is not the only problem we have. Other trail users go unpunished for shooting at us in places like Auburn and string up fishing wire or booby trap trails in many different mountain bike LEGAL trails. Time to do something about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes
    Letting the police "just handle it" doesn't work either. You need to make sure there's enough evidence to do something that makes society realize that people like this are dangerous. Otherwise, this behavior will just continue, whether the police do the right thing or not.
    Agree fully. We must give them lots of evidence. Like the a photo of the guy that puts the logs across one of my favorite single tracks and pisses off the rangers, other hikers, equestrians, trail mainenance crews, and runners. If I could only catch him in the act! The rangers would love to get ahold of the guy. If they did, he'd be in trouble, not me (even though it's a "no bikes" trail).

    We just need to keep riding, showing massive courtesy to other trail users, and rebuilding our reputation. AND turning in jerks if they are assaulting us. Facts speak louder than dogma. I come across folks on "no bikes" (won't call it 'illegal') single track on Diablo often. Most of time it's no big deal. Sometimes I get "the look", but usually after a quick interchange, all is well, they see I'm a human enjoying the day just like them. Just surprised someone a little-happens. There have been no complaints. If we keep complaints about us to a minumum and get jerks in trouble with authorities, I think it'll help us a lot. We should be the ones complaining to police, rangers, whoever often about trail jerks. They were the ones that complaind and smeard us.

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    Letting it go is not the answer but I somewhat get what you are saying... FYI....your favorite trail on your profile is a poach, although I wish it wasn't. Know it well. Trimmed back a bunch of PO on it last Saturday.

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    I don't think of this as anything but a lone individual in a very unique case.

    Of the thousands of miles I ride, no one has ever threatened me and actually I have never been lectured or screamed at about trail usage.

    On the other hand, I have been confronted when I have been riding someplace I shouldn't have.

    While I am very glad this guy is gone, I don't see how this relates to trail or rider advocacy. Just one more nutcase off the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro
    While I am very glad this guy is gone, I don't see how this relates to trail or rider advocacy. Just one more nutcase off the streets.
    Unfortunately this deranged lunatic (assuming we are right about who he is) is not gone. He have achieved notoriety far beyond his weight due to incessant and elaborate prolix that he spews on all the public agencies, print articles, conferences etc. He apparently thrives on the attention he gets - and unfortunately due to the nature of public land management process, we can not afford to just ignore such individuals - which is the only thing they ever deserve.

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    Am I Mike V?

    No, I am not Mike V. Short of "prolix" we have little in common.

    I am a 11-year member of the Bicycle Trail Counsel of the East Bay and a Director.
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    I'm the red-hatted geezer in the background.

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    Berkeley Mike are you Mike V? Gotta ask.
    This is the funniest thing in this whole thread. Bravo. Love ya Mike not-V.

    Stalking HS girls with a big camera? Hmmm...
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    This is the funniest thing in this whole thread. Bravo. Love ya Mike not-V.
    Lol! My apologies Mike not-V. Thanks for the clarification :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by my575
    Berkeley Mike are you Mike V? Gotta ask.
    Mike V is the bizzarro world evil Berkeley Mike.

    Mike V has a mustache, so to speak.

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    Mike not Mike V

    Berkeley Mike! I think the poster didn't really want to know who you are (let alone see a creepy picture of you) as much as point out the bombastic, overwrought, preachy nature of your posts.

    Or if not -- then I want to point it out. Overly convoluted writing style doesn't make you smart. It makes you smarmy. Your points would be better made if you didn't mix up your ego in everything you say. I am personally really sick of hearing about your accomplishments from you.

    This thread is NOT about you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baycat
    someone is public enemy #1 according to the list. We need to find this culprit!

    Uh, yeah. Except he has his facts wrong, and that webpage gives false information.
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    Make him volunteer at Trips for Kids!
    That would absolutely make my day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebo
    Letting it go is not the answer but I somewhat get what you are saying... FYI....your favorite trail on your profile is a poach, although I wish it wasn't. Know it well. Trimmed back a bunch of PO on it last Saturday.
    Off topic: PO is the real enemy. Thanks for helping. We all work to keep it good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klarity
    Berkeley Mike! I think the poster didn't really want to know who you are (let alone see a creepy picture of you) as much as point out the bombastic, overwrought, preachy nature of your posts.

    Or if not -- then I want to point it out. Overly convoluted writing style doesn't make you smart. It makes you smarmy. Your points would be better made if you didn't mix up your ego in everything you say. I am personally really sick of hearing about your accomplishments from you.

    This thread is NOT about you.
    This was in response to a first poster who asked who I was, or was not. I gave up trying to please everyone on this forum a long time ago. The variety of needs and experience is just too broad and I can live with the criticism. I've told my son many times that there are a lot of people out there who think I am an ******* so don't be surprised or upset. He just laughs. He's learned that if you put it out there then you can be a target for anyone.

    My concern, as much as possible, is about the thinking. I try to stay away from addressing personalities and styles, and allow for foible. Besides Klarity, it is the only way we can get you to come out of hiding!

    BTW the Bizarro reference is priceless.

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    +1 on the "Yeay!"

    Mike V. has been harrassing mtbers for a lot longer than 10 years. During an email argument I had with him in 1995 he cut a small portion of my response out where I called him some names, and forwarded just that portion (out of context) to the email admin at my college. Since I was using my school email account, the email admin contacted me and requested that I not send this guy any more vulgar emails from that account. I think he used that tactic succesfully on a lot of people around the same time. He'd troll, get people to be potty mouths, then cut and send the out-of-context segments to their email admins. I tried to do the same with him at his pacbel.net account, but I never got any responses from them. He's clever and knows how to "work the system". But, he's also made a lot of mistakes. I think his ego allowed him to go too far, and he alienated the mainstream anti-mtbers (Bay Area Sierra Club, etc) - which was really fortunate for us. Maybe really, REALLY fortunate. Now this... This is *really* good. He's effectively adding to his own discredit, which is really, really, really awesome.

    Not to start yet another tangent - but (for you closet roadies out there), just think about what the difference in impact of Landis's allogations would have made if he wasn't simultaniously discrediting himself by admitting to lying his @ss off for 3 years. No one can trust a word he says... Mikey's proving now, beyond a shadow of a doubt, he's truly a nutball. Very good for us...

    Now I don't know Berkley Mike, but nothing he said seems to justify the negativity he's getting (to me anyway). BTW, this sort of infighting can be used as fuel for anti-mtbers, so I would encourage the use of the "edit" button after cooling down... Seemed like relevent points, and the post about what he does seemed in defense of his character, which was being called out (again - I don't get why). Internet boards and Blogs just lend to flame wars since we're not sitting face-to-face. OK, now I'm off MY soapbox...

    ps - Ian, whoever you are - very, very, very, very, VERY big thank you for keeping your cool and turning him in. That move was pivotal.

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    We're quite a bunch. MTBer hater #1 potentially gets arrested for threatening a biker on a trail, and all we manage to do is argue amongst ourselves. Anyhow, makes for some fun reading on an otherwise crummy day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Unfortunately this deranged lunatic (assuming we are right about who he is) is not gone. He have achieved notoriety far beyond his weight due to incessant and elaborate prolix that he spews on all the public agencies, print articles, conferences etc. He apparently thrives on the attention he gets - and unfortunately due to the nature of public land management process, we can not afford to just ignore such individuals - which is the only thing they ever deserve.
    I'm only concerned if the next time I ride this mystery trail in Berkeley if I am going to have to kick his ass.

    I've never seen this guy in any of the LEGAL places to ride around the Bay Area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klarity
    Overly convoluted writing style doesn't make you smart. It makes you smarmy.
    Oh! I have learned a new English word today. "Smarmy". Got to use it somewhere.

    Also learned "unctuous".

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    So, maybe the ******bag arrested is, or isn't, Mike V. Let's find out and then deal with it. It looks like some locals are going to follow up and have the ability to do so.

    We'll wait. Thanks for doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike
    I'm not so sure that mtb'ers are non-violent; that is another discussion altogether!

    Nor do I think that they are easily cowed. I think, rather, that they would rather just get on with riding their bikes in the limited time they have dedicated to do so. The value of weird events and encounters, the tendency to say "whatever", clip in and get your jones, and otherwise simply roll-on into fat tired bliss and trust to karma (or someone else to do the work) is more the point. Few things really stop us on the trail. Few riders spend much time outside their actual saddle time creating possibilities for riders. Few riders stop to talk to people on the trail unless it impacts them directly or they are holding an extra IPA and a medium rare burger.
    The easily cowed remark is directly in response to your and 105mm's sentiments that we should be cautious in our response to this event.

    The opposite is the case.

    I've known about the physically aggressive trail nazi up on Side O since 1997 - when he attacked a co-worker at the shop I used to work at.

    After attacking the coworker/friend of mine, he proceeded to call our employer, attempting to get the kid fired.

    After that - he got the persons name and posted it all over the internet.

    I never knew it was Mike V - but it all becomes clear now. Especially since the kids name remains on Mikes site.

    All this could possibly have been stopped if we took the offense, not defense.

    The above is just one example - many, many more are out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by my575
    Berkeley Mike are you Mike V? Gotta ask.

    Absolutely not, Mike just says things a little more elaborately than some of us, but yeah, a polar opposite of Voldemort and why I respect him for his past work with the kids.

    *Ummm, O/T..Berkeley Mike, you've colored the hair and buffed up! I found a pic of you when searching.

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    Write the DA

    We all need to write to the DA to encourage prosection of this guy, instead of it being dropped.

    There is an election for DA in Alameda County this year. Unfortunately, the incumbent is unopposed. But we should still each write her, both at her campaign, AND at her official county office:

    Campaign:
    NANCY E. O'MALLEY
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    Office

    http://www.alcoda.org/about_us/contact_us

    I kind of doubt any emails to the address will get to her.

    Tell her you insist this crime(s) be prosecuted. Tell her the charges cannot be dropped, and that people like Mike V who take the law into their own hands must be punished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ham Er Hed
    Although it's awesome that Dr. whacko was apprehended, my guess is that he gets probation and community service with a small fine.
    Let's hope the community service is hard labor on a bike trail and the fine is a donation to IMBA.

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    I see the distinction you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    The easily cowed remark is directly in response to your and 105mm's sentiments that we should be cautious in our response to this event. All this could possibly have been stopped if we took the offense, not defense. The above is just one example - many, many more are out there.
    I too would like to see us be more aggressive about responding to people who misuse us on the trails. The trick is one of degree and method.

    What I am talking about is about using this a chip in the larger picture of trail access. I don't think that the chip is there to be played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike
    ...What I am talking about is about using this a chip in the larger picture of trail access. I don't think that the chip is there to be played.
    In the larger access picture, if this is in fact the bigot in question, his recent actions will elevate him from loudmouthed nuisance, to a real life terrorist/criminal. Every time he sends his garbage to a land manager, we can counter with solid evidence of his actions. That is the "chip" to be played.
    Even if this turns out to be some other creep, it points out how important it is to file a report each time a conflict occurs.
    It seems to me that the police took action due to the number of times this same type of incident was reported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike
    I too would like to see us be more aggressive about responding to people who misuse us on the trails. The trick is one of degree and method.

    What I am talking about is about using this a chip in the larger picture of trail access. I don't think that the chip is there to be played.
    Trail access is a tricky business. As all of you know, it takes patience and severe biting of the toungue. Our response needs to be active and effective. Passise won't get it done. But if we overreact, then anti-MTB's can point at us and call us whackos. We need to act, in unison, with strength, and purpose. In the last five years or so we've seen a definate thawing and acceptance by hikers, equestrians, and rangers. A lot of trails marked for no bikes get biked without issues or complaints. The bikers have been careful. We are on the trail teams, etc. Folks are learning were O.K. When the whackos put junk across the trails to stop bikes, it just irritates everyone and the bikers come out looking good. This ice pick situation is similar to trail damage by hikers. We need to report it in a spirit of mutual respect and make sure the authorities have what they need to stop it. The rangers where I frequent appreciate the help. That took years to develop. Let's keep up the good work and see the tide change. This may not be a pivitol event. But it will move the dial if it gets a little publicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klarity
    Berkeley Mike! I think the poster didn't really want to know who you are (let alone see a creepy picture of you) as much as point out the bombastic, overwrought, preachy nature of your posts.

    Or if not -- then I want to point it out. Overly convoluted writing style doesn't make you smart. It makes you smarmy. Your points would be better made if you didn't mix up your ego in everything you say. I am personally really sick of hearing about your accomplishments from you.

    This thread is NOT about you.
    Um she hit the nail on the head with this one Mike.
    Pretty much sums up my feelings about your post in general
    I'm just sayin...

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    I always wonder

    why one might tell someone to change what they say, denigrate them, or even tell them to stop posting when all they need to do is use their scroll key. There are people who yell at the TV commercials and those who hit the mute key I guess.

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    I think it is great that this 5150 case has been busted, and I also think that the question "what charges can I press?" would have been the first one I would have asked. He has "illegally detained", harrassed, threatened, inflicted damage (vandalized?) on equipment, brandished a weapon, and who knows what else... Who will it be next time, and will he go into a more deranged state when he decides his mission to stop bikers on dirt, and actually attack someone with an ice axe or some other implement? He is a danger to society and needs to be separated from the rest of us. Every person that can come forward to provide a claim that will go against him could keep some college kid from getting seriously injured or killed someday - even just in the process of trying to get away. What if it was your kid or one of his/her friends? I'd say a mental hospital would be a better place than prison for this one.

    That said, I got a big kick out of the fact that his Facebook page had an ad for "Fun Mountain Biking Tees" on the right-hand column!
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    I got a phone call today and the authority on the other line (who's also a lurker here) did indeed identify the purp as none other than MJV PhD. And the celebration begins....wait for it...NOW!

    Quote Originally Posted by EBasil
    So, maybe the ******bag arrested is, or isn't, Mike V. Let's find out and then deal with it. It looks like some locals are going to follow up and have the ability to do so.

    We'll wait. Thanks for doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger
    I got a phone call today and the authority on the other line (who's also a lurker here) did indeed identify the purp as none other than MJV PhD. And the celebration begins....wait for it...NOW!
    *Dan, you ssssssssoooooooooo need to use that caption and picture from Fb and clip it in with the old-school version ska-reggae song "So I say Yeah! Yeah-Yeah! Let me hear you say Yeah, Yeah-Yeah!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkeley Mike
    why one might tell someone to change what they say, denigrate them, or even tell them to stop posting when all they need to do is use their scroll key. There are people who yell at the TV commercials and those who hit the mute key I guess.
    Do as you say and not as you do. A perfect example of Commie Mike hypocrisy. Link to proof available by request.

    Once Vandeman's arraignment date is set I will have a front row seat with video and still cameras outside the court house for a quick on the spot interview.

    It's only a small "chip" as most land managers know that he's a loon but the entertainment value is off the scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg
    We're quite a bunch. MTBer hater #1 potentially gets arrested for threatening a biker on a trail, and all we manage to do is argue amongst ourselves. Anyhow, makes for some fun reading on an otherwise crummy day...
    It wouldn't be the Norcal board if we didn't argue now would it?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jorgemonkey
    It wouldn't be the Norcal board if we didn't argue now would it?!
    Right. What was that - Berkley liberals arguing with Marin liberals about the bastion of right wing radicalism that is San Jose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Rhetoric.
    Fixed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger
    I got a phone call today and the authority on the other line (who's also a lurker here) did indeed identify the purp as none other than MJV PhD. And the celebration begins....wait for it...NOW!
    Dan in all fairness ( and care ), we need a third-party verification folks can see/read. Even if your source is correct, we're all still at "it's true because some guy on the internet's friend called him and said so" It's a painful wait, and I'm sure the offender (particulalrly if Mike V) will do/spend anything to avoid an arraignment.

    Does UCPD report their arrests/charges to the same database the local PD do? Check the DA's website/court criminal case listing for cases v. the creep's name: might pop right up in screen-printable format.

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    Agreed. And I'm waiting for the same source to email me a scanned version of the hard copy. I expect that he'll be picking that up today if the Cal police are done with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by EBasil
    Dan in all fairness ( and care ), we need a third-party verification folks can see/read. Even if your source is correct, we're all still at "it's true because some guy on the internet's friend called him and said so" It's a painful wait, and I'm sure the offender (particulalrly if Mike V) will do/spend anything to avoid an arraignment.

    Does UCPD report their arrests/charges to the same database the local PD do? Check the DA's website/court criminal case listing for cases v. the creep's name: might pop right up in screen-printable format.
    There are no stupid questions but there are A LOT of inquisitive idiots.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger
    Agreed. And I'm waiting for the same source to email me a scanned version of the hard copy. I expect that he'll be picking that up today if the Cal police are done with it.
    You KNOW I'm posting that to Mike V's fan page on face book!
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    You know that M.V. is changing the privacy settings on his Facebook page right now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curmy
    Right. What was that - Berkley liberals arguing with Marin liberals about the bastion of right wing radicalism that is San Jose.
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    Haha this thread is an amazing read, I hope for all of you this scum gets dealt with so you can enjoy your trails again. But I gotta say, and I'm not trying to get tooooo political here, but if we had a guy running around AZ trails terrorizing civilians with edged weapons, it wouldn't have gone one for "10 years" (like I read in this thread).

    That *ucker would be dead in a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by z06dustin
    Haha this thread is an amazing read, I hope for all of you this scum gets dealt with so you can enjoy your trails again. But I gotta say, and I'm not trying to get tooooo political here, but if we had a guy running around AZ trails terrorizing civilians with edged weapons, it wouldn't have gone one for "10 years" (like I read in this thread).

    That *ucker would be dead in a day.
    Ya, but that's because AZ'ions are crazy, sun-bake brained vigilantes who like to hurt people- this is cali, we like to be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjamac
    Ya, but that's because AZ'ions are crazy, sun-bake brained vigilantes who like to hurt people- this is cali, we like to be victims.
    Fixed it for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by z06dustin
    Haha this thread is an amazing read, I hope for all of you this scum gets dealt with so you can enjoy your trails again. But I gotta say, and I'm not trying to get tooooo political here, but if we had a guy running around AZ trails terrorizing civilians with edged weapons, it wouldn't have gone one for "10 years" (like I read in this thread).

    That *ucker would be dead in a day.
    Let's see, in Arizona if Mike V had dark skin you'd just deport him, right?!?!
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    Good thing for him that he lives in CA with no proliferation of CCW's. He's only risking a beating. NV, TX, etc.. he'd be asking to catch a bullet.

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    Wink

    I just had this idea, and I'm thinking it should be set up next year, around this time, at interbike. Set homeboy up in one of these and let all the industry folk stop by while checking out the new products and spend $3 for 3 chances at throwing at the target while just letting him sit there and ramble away about how we all suck.

    Here's the real catch though, all the monies from the $3 fees would then goto Trail Access for us.
    Think about it, you'd raise thousands of dollars easily in just those few days.
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    it's amazing

    that someone who is basically an usenet/internet crank has got so many people's spandex in a bunch. Beatings, bullets oh-my

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    Can I come out now?

    Thank goodness we have verification. Guess I can stop hiding and take my tail out from between my legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peletonnissen
    , "you aren't going to hit a guy twice your age are you?"[/url]
    I wish it had been me. I'm 64 years old, and I move pianos. No way he's twice MY age.

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    Crazy. Any confirmation yet about Mike being the perp in question?

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    so is there a booking report? a mugshot?

    will there be a 'perp walk'?

    oh man... i'd LOVE to get that on video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repack Rider
    I wish it had been me. I'm 64 years old, and I move pianos. No way he's twice MY age.
    Nice!
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    any concrete confirmation that it was in fact Mike V that got popped?
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    Tomorrow!!!!!!!!!! Mark your calendars!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Real deal. I'm so excited. Wear a jersey!

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    Dan in all fairness ( and care ), we need a third-party verification folks can see/read.
    ...
    Check the DA's website/court criminal case listing for cases v. the creep's name: might pop right up in screen-printable format.
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    VANDEMAN, MICHAEL JOSEPH 02-Jun-2010 14:00:00 112 Criminal 00443657

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    112 6A THOMPSON-STANLEY, TRINA (SJ)

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    is there an arrest report online?

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    Searching for I-Link i found this thread.... oh if only sheldon had lived to see this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy
    Real deal. I'm so excited. Wear a jersey!



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    VANDEMAN, MICHAEL JOSEPH 02-Jun-2010 14:00:00 112 Criminal 00443657

    WILEY W. MANUEL COURTHOUSE
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    Dept Floor Judge/Comm.
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    This is terrific. Anyone planning to go??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy
    Real deal. I'm so excited. Wear a jersey!



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    VANDEMAN, MICHAEL JOSEPH 02-Jun-2010 14:00:00 112 Criminal 00443657

    WILEY W. MANUEL COURTHOUSE
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    Whoever goes TAKE PICTURES of the perp!

    We need this for any future attacks, and of course a little public humiliation...
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    Hey Murphy

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    Where did you find that picture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    Whoever goes TAKE PICTURES of the perp!

    We need this for any future attacks, and of course a little public humiliation...
    have camera,
    work 6 blocks away,
    Checking schedule... need to ask the boss...

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    Quote Originally Posted by datenschwanz


    OBEY.
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    I also have this: http://police.berkeley.edu/bulletins/05282010.htm

    10-02127
    245 PC 9:07 AM - (MW-33-O) victim of assault via saw, East/West Trail. S. Aranas
    626.6 PC

    SUSPECT: VANDEMAN, Michael J (MW-67-O) arrested for two counts of

    assault with a deadly weapon, and excluded from UC campus for 7 days,

    3025 Bateman St, Berkeley, to BPD Jail. Case closed.

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    The date on this police bulletin is 5/28/10. Does this mean he was arrested again, last Friday, this time for wielding a saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan'ger
    I also have this: http://police.berkeley.edu/bulletins/05282010.htm

    10-02127
    245 PC 9:07 AM - (MW-33-O) victim of assault via saw, East/West Trail. S. Aranas
    626.6 PC

    SUSPECT: VANDEMAN, Michael J (MW-67-O) arrested for two counts of

    assault with a deadly weapon, and excluded from UC campus for 7 days,

    3025 Bateman St, Berkeley, to BPD Jail. Case closed.

    .

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    Interesting address in that last report....3025 Bateman St.....Michael & Yukiko Vandeman. Sounds like the first arrest didn't daunt him too much....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    Michael & Yukiko Vandeman
    Yukiko must be pissed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    Interesting address in that last report....3025 Bateman St.....Michael & Yukiko Vandeman. Sounds like the first arrest didn't daunt him too much....
    They list home addresses on the reports? That's odd.
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    Nice work on the confirmation of identity, fellas! That sure looks like the same thug we all know and love, eh?

    What's the reference to "first arrest"? Are there more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy
    Yukiko must be pissed...
    ...or is she as kooky as he is?

    I thought it odd for the addy to be in the report, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBasil
    Nice work on the confirmation of identity, fellas! That sure looks like the same thug we all know and love, eh?

    What's the reference to "first arrest"? Are there more?
    Just read thru the thread, seems we have a few different report dates so far...hopefully they're even more complaints/arrests than that, too. Serve this crazy mutha some just desserts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    ...or is she as kooky as he is?
    https://calnet.berkeley.edu/director....pl?uid=303601

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    They list home addresses on the reports? That's odd.
    Five-oh is logging that the arrestee was transported from an address to the police department. Sounds like they got the report and drove over to his place and picked him up. They're probably getting pretty tired of him too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    Interesting address in that last report....3025 Bateman St.....Michael & Yukiko Vandeman. Sounds like the first arrest didn't daunt him too much....
    Someone should post flyiers in the local neighborhood on light poles warning children and passing cyclists of dangerous, saw yielding persons roaming around the neighborhood.

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    It will be interesting to see whether his hearing tomorrow is relation to the original complaint involving the victim Ian or this more recent complaint with a different victim.

    The most recent allegations of ADW (245 PC) is serious stuff, if it sticks. It could be a felony and the bail schedule indicates $30k bail ($3k to a bail bondsman).

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    Figured I'd wander in here a say Hurray. This bastid has been a PITA since long before I started using MTBR.

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    Another one just wanting to say "yay"!

    :busts out the champagne:

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    A lot of legal action over someone who just needs a good old fashioned ass kicking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowmaster
    A lot of legal action over someone who just needs a good old fashioned ass kicking.
    He has gotten slapped around before by riders defending themselves. Hasn't stopped him yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro
    He has gotten slapped around before by riders defending themselves. Hasn't stopped him yet.
    Acts of violence against him are just confirmation to him. If he can get a hospital receipt and even better is a police report and an arrest.

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    The man answers to a higher calling (that of mother nature), so nothing we do will faze him. As happy as it makes me to see this moron arrested, it still does not move the needle one bit in terms of trail access. Still would be fun to watch him squirm in front of the judge.
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    Cut a biker in the chest with a saw??? What a nutcase.

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    wow, cool
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    Quote Originally Posted by Impy
    wow, cool
    Cool in a "Scary, I can't believe that crazy bastard cut someone with a saw" sort of way...

    here's his mugshot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by my575
    I guess a psycho look was to be expected.
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    Send her an email and ask her.

    Content Removed.... was in bad taste.

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    For posterity.. I am now also in posession of the print off of that page. Gonna keep it for a while then consider whether or not to auction it off on ebay when I'm in my later years and needing cold hard cash.

    The ad will read.. "The Other Day The World of Mountain Biking Changed".

    I'm also trying to reach Mike Sinyard as well as Gary Fisher..if anyone has more pull please get in touch with them and ask that they please show up at this hearing as representatives of our industry it will create a strong powerful presence the press can't help but ignore.

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    Communications M. Erazo
    Corporal T. Zuniga

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    10-02122
    Alarm Activation 12:12 AM - Alarm activation #2000054201. Unknown cause, reset. M. Wyckoff


    .
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    12500a VC 2:10 AM - WU, Yiting (FA-20-O) cited for being an unlicensed driver, 2600 N. Hernandez

    blk Durant.

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    Fire 4:10 AM - Trash can fire, IFO 2610 Channing Way. BFD responded, M. Wyckoff

    extinguished by UCPD.

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    (FB-32-O).

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    Field Interview Card 3:20 AM - Lodging, Crossroads: M. Miceli

    (FW-52-O).

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    Communications A. Duffy

    T. Morrison
    Sergeant(s) M. Shipman

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    Alarm Activation 6:30 AM - Alarm activation #2000037803, employee error: RODRIGUEZ, M. Shipman

    Carmen (FHA-E), reset.

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    148 PC 7:38 AM - CASTELBLANCO, Seamus (MW-27-O) resisting arrest and duty R. Florendo
    834 PC to submit to arrest, JGP. Warrant to be sought. Under investigation. A. Jacobs


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    245 PC 9:07 AM - (MW-33-O) victim of assault via saw, East/West Trail. S. Aranas
    626.6 PC

    SUSPECT: VANDEMAN, Michael J (MW-67-O) arrested for two counts of

    assault with a deadly weapon, and excluded from UC campus for 7 days,

    3025 Bateman St, Berkeley, to BPD Jail. Case closed.

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    10-02128
    Alarm Activation 10:03 AM - Alarm activation R. Florendo

    A. Jacobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by jo_ride
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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    Let's leave the internet stalking to the crazy guy with the saw. Mike's wife isn't implicated in any of this.
    Good call.... I removed it.

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    Upset This guy belongs in Nature Noir!

    Hey Folks,

    This guy is wayyyy over the top! He should have his own chapter in Nature Noir. It’s a book written by a park ranger working at the Auburn State Recreation Area located next to Auburn, CA. When I read this thread I was reminded of the following lines from a review of the book:

    “In his 14 years there, first-time author Smith encountered fights, beatings, suicides, daredevil canyon divers and the corpse of a woman jogger killed and half eaten by a cougar. His conflicted task of facilitating the communion of humans with the wilderness while keeping the humans civilized and the wild places wild becomes a mission against the "half-assed and watered-down... gray area" that is the modern world's "perpetual state of uncertainty."

    This guy Mike V. sounds like he could use some help becoming “civilized”. I live near Auburn, ride there a lot and luckily we haven’t had anything even remotely like this sort of user conflict. I hope his trip to court makes things better for you folks down in the Bay Area!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartbicycles
    Cool in a "Scary, I can't believe that crazy bastard cut someone with a saw" sort of way...

    here's his mugshot!

    Yes he is seriously scary. I'm glad he didn't kill anyone, and I'm glad he got busted.
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