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    Has anyone else noticed that someone keeps piling a bunch of logs and loose wood on top of the rock garden that is about a half mile in just before the trail splits? I can't understand why someone intentionally keeps piling a bunch of wood on the trail to force people to go off into the brush and therefore widen the trail. The last time I was there I moved the wood pile off to the side to force people to stay back on the original trail but if anyone else can keep an eye on this it would be great!
    By the way, I love that pink sign someone threw in saying to walk the section if you can't ride it but maybe it pissed someone off lol. In the picture I'm in the process of moving the debris off the trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FolsomXC View Post
    Has anyone else noticed that someone keeps piling a bunch of logs and loose wood on top of the rock garden that is about a half mile in just before the trail splits? I can't understand why someone intentionally keeps piling a bunch of wood on the trail to force people to go off into the brush and therefore widen the trail. The last time I was there I moved the wood pile off to the side to force people to stay back on the original trail but if anyone else can keep an eye on this it would be great!
    By the way, I love that pink sign someone threw in saying to walk the section if you can't ride it but maybe it pissed someone off lol. In the picture I'm in the process of moving the debris off the trail.
    I ride there all the time, today in fact (although I went up and around by the logs), and haven't seen that. I have seen the right hand braid around the rocks.
    That is such a tiny rock garden, there is no way that needs a b-line or sanitization. Pathetic. I can almost guarantee this will be sanitized by some a**hole though.

    If I come across it I'll remove it as well.

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    I agree mestapho, it's such a sad little rock garden there shouldn't be an 'easier way.'

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    I do not see a "rock garden" in the picture?

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    Wow. I'll take part of the credit for this retardeness. A couple weeks ago I noticed riders were going off trail to avoid the tiny rock section, effectively widening the trail. Lame. I moved some nearby deadwood to block the ride-around. I've done this in several places on this trail over the years, with good success. A couple days later, however, the pile of wood had been removed. Alright... slightly larger pile this time. Maybe the culprit will get the message. A day or so later, it's gone... like, really gone. Not just moved away a little. Okay... that seems like a lot of work to move the wood just to ride around the rocks. Maybe that time could have been better spent working on trying to ride up the rocks?

    Oh well, I'll put a friendly little note and stack yet another big pile of wood (this was on Sunday). Yesterday, the sign was gone but the pile was there, which I considered a moral victory.

    With the sign gone, I expected the pile of wood would be tossed again... but I never would have guessed someone would move the wood pile into the actual trail . #losingfaith. It's wierd that the sign is back in your photo, FolsomXC. Thanks for clearing the real trail.

    Wow. I give up.

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    Dyke 8/ Browns Ravine Rock Garden Feud

    Had a feeling the sign was yours.

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    Haha that helps clear things up a bit. It absolutely boggles my mind too as to why they moved the wood to block the trail . I will be back out there on Thursday for a ride to check and see where the pile of wood migrates to. It's weird cause I've been riding that trail for a few years but it is only this summer that I have noticed a problem with people riding around that feature it seems; maybe I just wasn't paying attention before.

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    Curses! Without the easier line, I will never be able to get that kom.

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    Dyke 8/ Browns Ravine Rock Garden Feud

    Am I missing the rocks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Overhillthruthewoods View Post
    Curses! Without the easier line, I will never be able to get that kom.
    The thing is, the braided line is slower. It's not a Strava thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzaro View Post
    Am I missing the rocks?
    someone should go back and build a nice driftwood jump over the rocks now.

    because.

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    Dyke 8/ Browns Ravine Rock Garden Feud

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    Am I missing the rocks?

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    I don't know, I can see why some riders would want to go around, not everyone can shred the EDH Gnar Gnar......

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    dude yer rocks are spoiling my flow....
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    Dyke 8/ Browns Ravine Rock Garden Feud

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    If I squint a little...
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    If I squint a little...
    Don't know if the Hans Dampf could handle it.


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    Maybe you could use that wood to build steps over that rock, and a handrail

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoolie View Post
    Maybe you could use that wood to build steps over that rock, and a handrail
    Could be CX crowd, they have invaded trails I ride and now roots, rocks, pebbles, are disappearing. Lots of trails widening if they can't cut the roots or move pebbles............

    Trails start looking like bowling alleys...................

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo View Post
    Could be CX crowd, they have invaded trails I ride and now roots, rocks, pebbles, are disappearing. Lots of trails widening if they can't cut the roots or move pebbles............

    Trails start looking like bowling alleys...................
    I ride with the CX crowd on occasion and they ride this without issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo View Post
    Could be CX crowd, they have invaded trails I ride...............................

    That bypass has been active since this past summer atleast. Hard to blame that on the CX crowd that emerges in early Fall.

    That set of rocks isn't huge, however they are on a mild climb. They form a ledge that requires some momentum and a quick manual to get through. It's not surprising that beginners are going around.
    FWIW, it seems like those rocks have become more prominent in the last year or two. The dirt around the rocks has been washed away. The trail is on the fall line, causing the water to flow down it like a river. A reroute, grade reversal or water bar would be good uphill from the rocks.

    Since everybody is pointing fingers and playing the blame game, I blame it on the increase in 650B's on the trail. They can't roll through the rocks like a 29er can
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post
    That bypass has been active since this past summer atleast. Hard to blame that on the CX crowd that emerges in early Fall.

    That set of rocks isn't huge, however they are on a mild climb. They form a ledge that requires some momentum and a quick manual to get through. It's not surprising that beginners are going around.
    FWIW, it seems like those rocks have become more prominent in the last year or two. The dirt around the rocks has been washed away. The trail is on the fall line, causing the water to flow down it like a river. A reroute, grade reversal or water bar would be good uphill from the rocks.

    Since everybody is pointing fingers and playing the blame game, I blame it on the increase in 650B's on the trail. They can't roll through the rocks like a 29er can
    Hey now you're attacking me personally!!
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    That's a Rock Garden? ...I mean, I'm one of those weight weenie cross-country guys and I'm old and... That's a rock garden?

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    No it's not really a rock garden lol, its really sad looking to be honest, just easier than saying, "that group of rocks" or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mestapho View Post
    Can you send me an ultra high res picture so I can zoom up and see the rock garden??

    I want to get these people that ride around this to Santa Teresa county park's Rocky Ridge or Stiles Ranch trails. Those are rock garderns. Oh and there's no "ride around" unless you like to drop into a bunch of brush.

    Here's a pic of the easy part of Stiles Ranch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post

    Since everybody is pointing fingers and playing the blame game, I blame it on the increase in 650B's on the trail. They can't roll through the rocks like a 29er can
    See my post about 650b damage at Tamarancho. Virtually impossible because 650b always Armor-All so everybody knows they have shiny new tires.

    I go there several times a week, and I never noticed that wussie path until about a month ago.

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    Doh! It all makes sense now! My bad. I didn't realize The Rock was blocking the trail. I'll head out today and build a bypass to get around The Rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_Beer View Post
    Doh! It all makes sense now! My bad. I didn't realize The Rock was blocking the trail. I'll head out today and build a bypass to get around The Rock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg View Post
    Can you send me an ultra high res picture so I can zoom up and see the rock garden??

    I want to get these people that ride around this to Santa Teresa county park's Rocky Ridge or Stiles Ranch trails. Those are rock garderns. Oh and there's no "ride around" unless you like to drop into a bunch of brush.

    Here's a pick of the easy part of Stiles Ranch
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    If you are going to play "look who's rock garden is gnarly game," at least pick something that's actually a rock garden. Your example is nearly as silly as the original "rock garden."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_Beer View Post
    Doh! It all makes sense now! My bad. I didn't realize The Rock was blocking the trail. I'll head out today and build a bypass to get around The Rock.

    Empty_Beer, He is no longer The Rock. He has been sanitized to Dwayne Johnson. No rocks are sacred.
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    oh good lord...when my boy was 3 he was riding features bigger than that...

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    someone got to manzanita in the last few days as well

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    I got your rock garden...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Overhillthruthewoods View Post
    If you are going to play "look who's rock garden is gnarly game," at least pick something that's actually a rock garden. Your example is nearly as silly as the original "rock garden."
    Yeah, well pics on the web of Stiles and Rocky ridge were not there as expected. I had to improvise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg View Post
    Yeah, well pics on the web of Stiles and Rocky ridge were not there as expected.
    Found some pictures of "rock gardens".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg View Post
    Can you send me an ultra high res picture so I can zoom up and see the rock garden??

    I want to get these people that ride around this to Santa Teresa county park's Rocky Ridge or Stiles Ranch trails. Those are rock garderns. Oh and there's no "ride around" unless you like to drop into a bunch of brush.

    Here's a pick of the easy part of Stiles Ranch
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    Yep, that right there has to be the smoothest spot on stiles! That being said... I've ridden stiles on ye old cx bike because its just that awesome.

    I'm still trying to find the rocks in the OP's photo....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Found some pictures of "rock gardens".

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    Can you photoshop those into that switchback of Stiles Ranch I posted?
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    Dear God I know that section well and it ain't no rock garden. If you can't ride up it, get off yer damn bike and walk it until you learn how!!

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    Packed in a little dirt for the rock challenged

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    I'll wager the wood is gone by Monday!
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    Dyke 8/ Browns Ravine Rock Garden Feud

    Need to start getting after the PO now, before it gets too bad. I'll start carrying my shears and hitting a bit at a time.

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    I'll wager the wood is gone by Monday!
    What makes you think it's still there now?
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    ^ I just rode past it 20 minutes ago... still there! ;-)

    Mestapho - I hacked back a lot of emerging PO on the West side of the Marina. I'd get to work on the East side, but mt. bikers aren't allowed there.

    (2 different runners must have thought I was an official park employee, because they asked if I could take care of two big downed trees on the East side. They weren't joking. )

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    Pic of 1 of the trees.
    Unfortunately we lost one runner/biker that used to do a lot of PO trimming and other trail maintenance to Florida.
    I've started carrying my clippers in my camelback and thoroughly tested my PO immunity yesterday while out on a hike, so far so good.
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    ^ You can send this pic and as precise location as you can to [email protected] to let State Parks know about it. Assuming it's really easy to get to from Browns Ravine, it stands a good chance of getting cleared by them fairly quickly... vs. waiting for a trail gnome to do the work for them. Not a bad idea to cc [email protected]. (Park Superintendent and good guy)

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    someone got to manzanita in the last few days as well
    Ugh.....so lame. One of my favorite sections in Auburn. Noticed some roots sanitized on Pioneer Trail a month or so ago as well. What's with the recent upswing in this bullsh$t?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxwit View Post
    What's with the recent upswing in this bullsh$t?
    It is all about the flow, man.

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    I think a big contributor to the "b-lines" and trail widening there is from all the walking/family traffic on that trail due to low lake level sight-seeing.
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    Is this side (D8 to Brown's) of the trail horse legal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clintox50 View Post
    I think a big contributor to the "b-lines" and trail widening there is from all the walking/family traffic on that trail due to low lake level sight-seeing.
    I disagree, the section in question was being messed with before the hoards of people where accessing the lake to see how low it was.

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    Saw that the b line was reopened the other day.
    There was a b line on Wild Oaks right after the second bridge that was blocked as well. I kinda liked that little alternate line.

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    I do to going up, as the line to the left is getting loose and washed out down the hill. Going down, it"s no problem going right down the middle over the rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47 View Post
    I do to going up, as the line to the left is getting loose and washed out down the hill. Going down, it"s no problem going right down the middle over the rock.
    not that one, there was another after the lower bridge before (going up) the one you're talking about. Although, I usually use the line to the right going up that you're talking about as well.

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    This is a serious issue, can we make a strava segment to determine who's line is the best, 18" isn't too short is it?



    Quote Originally Posted by mestapho View Post
    not that one, there was another after the lower bridge before (going up) the one you're talking about. Although, I usually use the line to the right going up that you're talking about as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empty_Beer View Post
    Wow. I'll take part of the credit for this retardeness. A couple weeks ago I noticed riders were going off trail to avoid the tiny rock section, effectively widening the trail. Lame. I moved some nearby deadwood to block the ride-around. I've done this in several places on this trail over the years, with good success. A couple days later, however, the pile of wood had been removed. Alright... slightly larger pile this time. Maybe the culprit will get the message. A day or so later, it's gone... like, really gone. Not just moved away a little. Okay... that seems like a lot of work to move the wood just to ride around the rocks. Maybe that time could have been better spent working on trying to ride up the rocks?

    Oh well, I'll put a friendly little note and stack yet another big pile of wood (this was on Sunday). Yesterday, the sign was gone but the pile was there, which I considered a moral victory.

    With the sign gone, I expected the pile of wood would be tossed again... but I never would have guessed someone would move the wood pile into the actual trail . #losingfaith. It's wierd that the sign is back in your photo, FolsomXC. Thanks for clearing the real trail.

    Wow. I give up.
    Funny,, I've been doing the same every ride out there of late. I trudge into the rattlesnake infested brush to retrieve logs to pile on the ride-around, two days later its gone. Rinse repeat, several times. Wish I had a game camera to catch the dork tearing this down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zon View Post
    Funny,, I've been doing the same every ride out there of late. I trudge into the rattlesnake infested brush to retrieve logs to pile on the ride-around, two days later its gone. Rinse repeat, several times. Wish I had a game camera to catch the dork tearing this down.


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    Perhaps bring in some of the ever present Folsom river rock (dredging tailings) and stack those where you are currently stacking wood.....I wonder what the person who is removing the wood would think when confronted by more rocks?
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    Just dig a big hole.... or build a big jump

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    Just start filling it in with poison oak branches. Next time the person moves them, they'll get punished for it.
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    Fast forward to 1:00 to see how to ride this section like a kick-ass girl

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    Dyke 8/ Browns Ravine Rock Garden Feud

    Damn, you beat me to it.

    Great video. It's so inspiring to watch the high schoolers. And the Juliana program is a great opportunity for them.
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    Sick video! Funny how this "section" of trail is an issue, until this thread I never noticed the rocks.

    I really wish people would stop buying into the idea that trails need to be smooth, wide, flow and tame. Mountain biking is suppose to be challenging. Iif you cant ride a trail dont change it to suit your skills. Go somewhere easier and develop your riding.

    In the kayaking community you typically paddle with a group of friends for safety reasons. Before going to a new river the group will research the river and determine whether they are skilled enough to make it down safely. Most rivers are extremely dangerous and mistakes can result in life or death situations. You dont see people change a river because its too hard for them...

    people need to take responsibility for their actions and harden the F#*K up.

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    ^If only some could heed their own advise on trail sanitation and apply it to straight lining & trail braiding all for the sake of racing strangers on the interweb....

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    Rode through here today and it is sad how wide that line has now gotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanxj View Post
    ^If only some could heed their own advise on trail sanitation and apply it to straight lining & trail braiding all for the sake of racing strangers on the interweb....
    good memory, have you been back to that trail? still looks the same as it did. I didnt see any "trail braiding" last week when I rode that section. Just saying...

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    I don't believe you could possibly be so dense as to not get what I was referring to; it certainly has nothing to do with random goat trails. Don't play coy

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    I'm pretty sure trail straight lining is an inevitable and predictable process. I am just as sure trail straight lining, as a process, predates Strava. I don't like it but I understand trails will always straighten unless obstacles are incorporated to prohibit it. This requires super vigilance to shut down alternate lines as soon as they appear.
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    Totally (un)related....

    Seen this?

    The "B" line is twice as bad LOL.


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    you lost me. I have no idea what trail you think I'm straight lining. I've never even ridden with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Trail Bum View Post
    you lost me. I have no idea what trail you think I'm straight lining. I've never even ridden with you.
    The vast majority of trails you ride, for starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanxj View Post
    The vast majority of trails you ride, for starters.
    And that statement is based on...?? If you want to call me out, please prove it. I'd like to know where I'm cutting trails on said "vast majority" of my rides.

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    Haha! Any bets on if it will stay put through the weekend?

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    Dyke 8/ Browns Ravine Rock Garden Feud

    Gone in 48 hrs
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    If you want help moving bigger things around, just let me know. Im down for the cause.
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    Still a big pile there as of 9am (edh milf patrol)

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    Still there as of 1:45pm today (although I would avoid the trails in the area with the freeze/thaw conditions. I completely forgot about that and it's a bit of a muddy mess). Nice work by the way EB!

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    Rode past on way to FATRAC meeting... a knucklehead already cleared a path

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    Man I would I kill to have a game camera mounted there or something!

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    Need to drop a digger pine across that.


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    Ran by it today. Completely obliterated! Someone literally took the time to haul/chuck all but the largest log 20 yards away in the poison oak bushes. I laughed all the way home

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    What a joke. My only worry with continuing to block the widening line, is that they will eventually sanitize those rocks.

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    you cant sanitize the rock!

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    Maybe if you staked out the big logs with some rebar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    That's a Rock Garden? ...I mean, I'm one of those weight weenie cross-country guys and I'm old and... That's a rock garden?
    This is what I was thinking. And it looks like it would be easier to go over it than around it, anyway.

    EDIT: I just realized this is a necro-post started over 1.5 years ago.

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