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    Angwin

    Good things are happening here.
    For decades, the college - PUC wanted to sell all the land for houses/vineyards.

    The land sale is off!

    They are keeping the land for mt. biking.
    And the trees.
    Angwin is home to many redwood trees - the farthest east these trees grow in California.

    A Forest Manager has been hired.
    Regular patrols for rogue trail builders.

    Myself and one other trail builder (we've been here for 20-30 years)
    have come forward and we are working with the Forest Manager to patrol and maintain the current trail system.
    We are working on mapping out the entire area.
    Signage and a new parking lot will be built/installed.

    Rumor has it that REMBA and/or the FTA (Moore Creek Park/DWR)
    will be involved.

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    I saw all the vehicles here with bikes during the fires.
    I know many of you have been here.
    Welcome to my backyard.

    Please act like adults when you are here.

    There are a lot of dogs off leash/kids/older folks walking/horses, etc.
    Do not build any trails.

    Please ride responsibly and respect others.

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    With that being said - here is more info.

    REMBA was here and did some trail work.
    Contact them for trail work days.
    https://www.facebook.com/mountainbikealliance/

    There will be much more management of the forest from now on.
    It's been the wild west for the past 20 years...
    Much clearing for wildfire protection.
    The Ridge Road will be stripped/trimmed of all vegetion 300' wide.
    ..larger trees will be left...

    This is a good thing.


    The Napa Land Trust (of which I'm a member/Trail Monitor) with the help of local wineries, etc. has been preserving a lot of the natural areas around here. They helped out to get this forest saved.
    https://www.napalandtrust.org/get-in...he-puc-forest/

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    The town of Angwin is located on Howell Mt.
    above the town of St. Helena in the Napa Valley.
    Howell Mt. is a much sought after wine appellation.
    Ironically the town of Angwin is a dry town.
    PUC (Pacific Union College) is located here.
    They own everything.
    While nothing is open on Saturdays, they have put in a new deli at the Market.
    Now serving meat...! ...
    Not much available at the Deli on Sundays.




    But it is worth it to stop by the Market and get some snacks/sandwiches/etc.
    They have an extensive supply of 'power bars'/Kind Bars/etc.

    The gas station is card lock 24/7.

    If you enjoy wine, make a day of it - ride and get a tour/wine tasting after.
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    I will be putting up more videos in the coming months.
    My collection so far.
    Angwin area mt. biking
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...tWXoshs2iEYsHy

    I am on Strava now.
    https://www.strava.com/athletes/1816044

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    I have enjoyed showing my backyard to a few of you.
    Thank you for the great rides!
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    Great news, thanks for the update!

    Now, if only the NVDC and HMC races would resurface somehowÖÖ
    in this dying light

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    That is awesome! Keep the updates coming...

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    Quote Originally Posted by babybabe View Post
    that is awesome! Keep the updates coming...
    x2!
    I wouldn't even get my hair cut except it's near the liquor store and it seems like my eyebrows need trimming now and then.

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    What is sketch about deli? Also, Are you saying to NOT ride up there on Saturdays?

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    The deli has sketch HOURS. Sorry to not be clear.
    Perfectly good food.
    The Market is closed on Saturdays.
    Not much available at the deli on Sundays, student hours, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jibmaster View Post
    The deli has sketch HOURS. Sorry to not be clear.
    Perfectly good food.
    The Market is closed on Saturdays.
    Not much available at the deli on Sundays, student hours, etc...

    Riding on Saturday is fine. It's just that the town is shut down.
    The woods are still open.
    Why is the town shut down on Saturdays? Religious malarkey?
    I wouldn't even get my hair cut except it's near the liquor store and it seems like my eyebrows need trimming now and then.

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    The college is owned by the Seventh Day Adventists.
    Saturday is the sabbath/day of rest, not Sunday.

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    Gary, In a word, Yes.

    But thanks Jib. This is great news indeed! I love riding up there.
    You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Why is the town shut down on Saturdays? Religious malarkey?
    Angwin was the home of Ellen G. Wright, one of the original founders of the Seventh Day Adventist religion. They dominate the area. Up until a few years ago, you had to be SDA to own property in the town.


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    Awesome! Been looking forward to riding up there for some time, esp as I am considering moving to Calistoga.

    Thanks for all your hard work!

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    No info available at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jibmaster View Post
    Good things are happening here.
    For decades, the college - PUC wanted to sell all the land for houses/vineyards.

    We are working on mapping out the entire area.
    Signage and a new parking lot will be built/installed.
    I personally did lots of Surveying 10+ years ago for all the land planning. We did the intial GPS, Aerial Mapping and lots of utility location, then my boss refused to work for PUC after that because of their intent.

    Angwin-puc.jpg
    It's the perfect time of year, Somewhere far away from here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post
    Angwin was the home of Ellen G. Wright, one of the original founders of the Seventh Day Adventist religion. They dominate the area. Up until a few years ago, you had to be SDA to own property in the town.


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    The irony is that it is a dry town, yet the area is on the map due to wine grape growing and wineries.
    in this dying light

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    Thanks Jibmaster. Those trails are so fun!

    And yes, bring back the Dirt Classic! That was/is my favorite MTB race.
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    Shuttled DWR yesterday.
    Broke the footage up into 7 different videos

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    Took advantage of the cool morning and got out of the woods
    and onto the ridge behind my house.
    Overlooking the Napa Valley from Three Peaks.
    The view from Old Baldy.
    Angwin-41582043030_a8076b6ede_b.jpg

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    Looking south to Mt. Diablo
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    The ride started off with a few sprinkles of rain.
    It was nice to get out of the woods and get some views.
    1 hour of climbing 1600' and 30 minutes to return.

    The descent from Friesen Peak down to Wild Lake.
    Starts off really steep and rocky then opens up.

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    Been pretty smoky up here lately.
    Yesterday was the worst day so far for smoke.
    Got a short ride in.
    This is a single track that I built many years ago.
    It's called The Great Traverse aka Ridgeside Singletrack on Strava
    yeah, it's a bit shaky - my neck is my gimbal...

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    Nice Jibmaster! Please tell me those downhills we did are on the save list. I'll be back as soon as my shoulder heals... Happy to lend a hand on work days. Stoked!

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    Thanks for all this! I gre up in Napa, and even went to 4H camp at Las Posadas. Love riding up there, but it has been 10+ years since I have been. I will be headed back soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Max View Post
    ...Please tell me those downhills we did are on the save list...
    As far as I know, Teepee Trail and the Blue Post Trail are here to stay.

    Cooler and not as much smoke this morning.

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    It's probably been two years since I last rode Angwin. I have only ridden it like three times and always with a guide who knows the trails well. I would get lost on my own, until I found the airport. Damn, I need to get back up there.
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    Made it up yesterday afternoon, brought a work-buddy. He had a good time as it was his first time up there.

    Definitely warm in the afternoon! The car temp gauge was reading 90 when we parked at Las Posadas at 3pm.
    I get paid to ride shotgun.

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    Got out there today.
    https://www.strava.com/activities/1756863920

    Decided to ride locally - the day seemed cooler.
    A little warm down at the bottom, in Chiles Valley, but soon cooled once I
    gained altitude in the shade of the big trees, with the breeze, just under the ridge.


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    Got up early and headed up to the ridge.
    The fog stuck around for the entire ride.
    Looking out over Napa Valley covered in fog.
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    All the pics:
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    I used to race the Napa Valley Dirt Classic just to ride the single track at Angwin!

    Excited about the new direction especially now that Dan's Wild Ride and Moore Creek are connected to Angwin. Be nice if there was a marked trail from Angwin to Oat Hill.

    Big ride up Oat Hill over to Angwin then blast down Dan's - Moore Creek! (maybe too big)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenisonDesign View Post
    ...Be nice if there was a marked trail from Angwin to Oat Hill.

    Big ride up Oat Hill over to Angwin then blast down Dan's - Moore Creek! (maybe too big)
    That ride is Napa Land Trust property. I am a Trail Monitor for them, for that area.
    Feel free to join the Napa Land Trust to be able to have permission to ride that route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jibmaster View Post
    I can tell you from going up that hill a few months ago with my son, that trail sucks balls from an uphill perspective, lol. Your video doesn't really show how steep it is and you are exposed on that hill just freakin baking in the sun. My son was going to kill me when we finally got to the top!

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    Jibmaster -- do you know if PUC is going to bring back the Napa Valley Dirt Classic? I never heard any reason for why they stopped holding such a successful (at least well attended) event.
    Thanks

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    The Howell Mt. Challenge, the Napa Valley Dirt Classic
    and the Napa Knobular are most likely gone for good.
    Low turn out the past few years on the NVDC and a lack of inspiration
    from PUC's race organizers ("...tired of doing it...") have not been conducive to bringing those races back.

    The college did hold the annual running race - the Angwin to Angwish this year, however.

    The college is working through the maintenance and enforcement of the current trail systems.
    The Forest is in dire need of a trimming.
    Take a look at the Roosevelt Forest section of the State Forest next door.
    That's what they are going for.

    Starting in Jan/Feb of next year, they will be thinning the Forest. Especially the Ridge Road.
    Fire protection is on everybody's mind. Mt. bike races are not the priority right now.
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    I was spotted at 2:30



    Please enjoy and respect the backyard I have loved and cherished for the past 25 years.

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    Ughh I am starting to become very leery of the Napa Valley Land Trust. As they continue to gobble up huge swaths of land and make them off limits to the public other than docent lead crap, I am starting to wonder if they are doing this stuff to create their own little "personal space".

    Jib: Are you affiliated with them? What is a good way to start putting some pressure on them to open up some of the properties that they "bought", including in many cases with in part government funds or had fully or mostly donated to them?

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    Let me show you what I mean. From their own website:

    https://www.napalandtrust.org/ltnc-protected-land-map/

    This is the land available for public access / hiking:

    Angwin-public-access.jpg

    Now this is the list of "their" protected areas:

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    Am I the only one that is really getting irritated by this?

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    I don't want to sound all negative about NVLT, I think they do some great work. I also recognize not all land parcels are compatible or should be 100% open public access , but their ratio seems to be a bit off. The land that they have acquired, and other similar non-profits, seem to be trending towards the no public access direction.

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    I am a Trail Monitor for the Napa Land Trust.
    I am assigned to the Dunn-Wildlake Ranch Preserve/Rattlesnake Ridge areas. And I am now a Trail Monitor for the PUC bike trails which the LTNC helped to save from development.
    If they hadn't saved all that land, it would be used for houses and vineyards.
    Or another up-scale resort.

    I have lived in the Napa Valley for the past 30 years. I work in the restaurant business.
    While my livelihood depends on 'tourists', the last thing we need around here are more wineries, vineyards and resorts.
    If the Land Trust hadn't 'gobbled' up all that land, you would not be able to access it anyways, because nobody is going to let you in their yard or vineyard.

    The legal mt. bike access here in Napa County has increased by leaps and bounds the past few years.
    It's only getting better!

    Go for a ride and cheer up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jibmaster View Post
    If the Land Trust hadn't 'gobbled' up all that land, you would not be able to access it anyways, because nobody is going to let you in their yard or vineyard.

    The legal mt. bike access here in Napa County has increased by leaps and bounds the past few years.
    It's only getting better!

    Go for a ride and cheer up!
    Whether it is off limits due to a lawn / resort or off limits due to NVLT, in the end, it is the same for the public... I agree it has gotten slightly better, but looking at the opportunities on the second map that are held by one organization, I think there could be a lot more done.

    As I said, the NVLT has and is doing some great work, but I will stick with they need to re-evaluate their stance on public access. A few choice letters to newspapers / TV stations and the bending of the right political leader could probably put a lot of pressure on them given the out of balance nature of the ratio of land open to the public versus land held in "trust" w/o public access many of which are bought with tax payers money.

    In particular, I am watching the acquisitions around Lake Berryessa. Just recently they "preserved" 1,900 more acres in Wragg Canyon using, in part, California Natural Resources Agency funds. That's tax payer's money and yet I am guessing by the "preserve" title they have slapped on it, it will be another off limits area.

    As for going for a ride, don't tell me what to do! I will be going on a ride in a few hours after work though it appears to be hotter than hades out there today!

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    Too smoky to ride today. 143 AQI this morning.
    Yesterday was not so bad - under 100 AQI, so got a short ride in before work.
    One more video for my Los Posadas collection.


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    State approves money for forest protection next to Napa County's Pacific Union College.


    https://napavalleyregister.com/news/...56a513772.html

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    I've been meaning to post here to give a big THANK YOU to Brent for all your hard work on this and the trail building over the years.

    I need another tour soon. It's been to long.

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    Thanx!

    Got a good ride in yesterday.
    Angwin-rada0u3yiidgzciwb6kpyyqvdr9_8mlxc47mm28cim0-2048x1165.jpg

    Dropped into Dan's Wild Ride.

    Here is the Dryfoot Trail in Moore Creek Park.
    With some gnome bridges.


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    Hey, jibmaster, I've adopted the Fiske creek to blue ridge loop out of rayhouse road off of 16. It's an epic backcountry ride that's got it all, not to mention very scenic in the fall. If you're semi-local as I am (50 mellow minutes away on hwy 16), let me know. It needs a ton of brushing and so far, nobody wants in on the work or the goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bailout View Post
    Hey, jibmaster, I've adopted the Fiske creek to blue ridge loop out of rayhouse road off of 16. It's an epic backcountry ride that's got it all, not to mention very scenic in the fall. If you're semi-local as I am (50 mellow minutes away on hwy 16), let me know. It needs a ton of brushing and so far, nobody wants in on the work or the goods.

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    jibmaster thanks for all the work you did the last 30 years to create an extensive mountain bike trail system in Angwin. I believe I have ridden there several times in past decades. I also think I use to fly in there on some cross country flights.

    As you stated you are the builder of a few or more trails in that area and now you are the one in charge of seeing that there is no more construction of new trails. In the area I now live and ride I call that the PROCESS.

    I have contended that most popular riding areas have occurred due a small dedicated group of passionate builds who have a dream of creating a bunch of trails for their own personal use and possibly share with others. Sometimes the sharing part isnít always excepted by riders who had nothing to do with the actual construction.

    From your posts it now seems like you are the guy in charge of all those decades old trails. As the builder of some of them do you enjoy keeping up with the maintenance to keep them in good shape? I find that the trails I have created or help to create are my highest priority to maintain in the original character they were originally built to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bailout View Post
    Hey, jibmaster, I've adopted the Fiske creek to blue ridge loop out of rayhouse road off of 16. It's an epic backcountry ride that's got it all, not to mention very scenic in the fall. If you're semi-local as I am (50 mellow minutes away on hwy 16), let me know. It needs a ton of brushing and so far, nobody wants in on the work or the goods.

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    bailout I am curious about the above trail you have adopted. I canít find it listed on the internet as a mountain biking trail. I see it listed as hiking and from your pictures it looks overgrown in several pictures.

    Is the adoption an official adoption with the landmanager or something you have come up on your own? Do you stash tools out where you are doing maintenance or carry them out with you when you ride the trail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchblade2 View Post
    bailout I am curious about the above trail you have adopted. I canít find it listed on the internet as a mountain biking trail. I see it listed as hiking and from your pictures it looks overgrown in several pictures.

    Is the adoption an official adoption with the landmanager or something you have come up on your own? Do you stash tools out where you are doing maintenance or carry them out with you when you ride the trail?
    This is my resource: http://tuleyome.org/trails
    The loop is comprised mainly of fiske creek tr and blue ridge tr north. 100% bike-legal.

    BLM used to use convict labor to maintain it but since motor vehicle access has been cut off due to a deteriorating bridge, that no longer happens. Basically, only tuleyome does trail work out there. It is very remote. I talked to their president last fall and they were MAYBE going to do *one* trail day there this fall. I got verbal authorization to clear the trail which is all it really needs. However, there is probably a solid 3-4 miles of singletrack that is literally choked by chamise and manzanita. I've been checking their trailwork schedule and nothing is scheduled for this area. I've been chipping away at it solo since last fall. It's a no go after significant rains as soils on the 2.5 mile fireroad access are clays with bits of shale. An absolute nightmare to ride or hike on.

    I ride in with some loppers and a folding saw.


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    bailout - nice job out there! I've ridden out there from time to time.
    I need to get out there more often.
    Lets hook up and ride out there this fall!
    PM sent.

    Switchblade2 - Thanx! The trail network was built by many hands over the past 30 years.
    The college would maintain the trails they used for the races and different factions of local riders have maintained their respective trails.

    I am in contact with the newly hired Forest Manager, helping with the map and reporting suspicious activity. The trail building (w/out permission) the past several years has gotten out of control.
    People cutting down live trees, leaving trash, etc.
    Several trails that were disrespectful of the trees/moss, safety concerns or simply unsustainable, have been taken out of commission.
    All the trails I have built have been approved ( with a few changes to some...) and saved.

    There is an area where no new trails will be allowed. Kind of like a designated wilderness. All current trails will be kept and maintained.
    Then there is the rest of the forest, where a request for new trails will be reviewed.
    As of now, however, no new trails will be approved until the current trail system can be maintained, mapped and monitored.

    I love maintaining my artwork. It used to be that I had to do all the work myself.
    Now I just report "...tree down.." and it's taken care of.
    But, yeah - I do need to head out there and get some work done of a few of my trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bailout View Post
    This is my resource: tuleyome
    The loop is comprised mainly of fiske creek tr and blue ridge tr north. 100% bike-legal.

    BLM used to use convict labor to maintain it but since motor vehicle access has been cut off due to a deteriorating bridge, that no longer happens. Basically, only tuleyome does trail work out there. It is very remote. I talked to their president last fall and they were MAYBE going to do *one* trail day there this fall. I got verbal authorization to clear the trail which is all it really needs. However, there is probably a solid 3-4 miles of singletrack that is literally choked by chamise and manzanita. I've been checking their trailwork schedule and nothing is scheduled for this area. I've been chipping away at it solo since last fall. It's a no go after significant rains as soils on the 2.5 mile fireroad access are clays with bits of shale. An absolute nightmare to ride or hike on.

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    bailout our experience with Manzanita in our area is that you donít need to cut it you just stomp it with hiking boots and it breaks off easily. Is it different where you are working?

    Were I live 3/4 of a mile of trail can be built in one day right through manzanita by one experienced stormer. In some special areas the manzanita is up to three inches in diameter.

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    jibmaster where I live the best mapping source is Trailforks. I am curious if your whole trail database has been provided to them for navigation and orientation purposes. I personally provided the database for Trailforks and I have been the lead person maintaining that database. When a new trail or reroute is made on the USFS mountain bike approved trail system I submit the change to Trailforks for approval. The USFS and MTBProject could do the same with their databases, but for some unfortunate reason they donít have the network of people to make timely changes to keep users up to date.

    Do you have the complete GPX database of all the trails that are authorized in the Angwin system you are in charge of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchblade2 View Post
    bailout our experience with Manzanita in our area is that you donít need to cut it you just stomp it with hiking boots and it breaks off easily. Is it different where you are working?

    Were I live 3/4 of a mile of trail can be built in one day right through manzanita by one experienced stormer. In some special areas the manzanita is up to three inches in diameter.
    Oh yeah, I did a ton of stomping. Tried my best to mow stuff down with my bike too. A moto with a plow would be great, if one could get it up the near- vertical sections on the short hike up to the crest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchblade2 View Post
    jibmaster where I live the best mapping source is Trailforks. I am curious if your whole trail database has been provided to them for navigation and orientation purposes. I personally provided the database for Trailforks and I have been the lead person maintaining that database. When a new trail or reroute is made on the USFS mountain bike approved trail system I submit the change to Trailforks for approval. The USFS and MTBProject could do the same with their databases, but for some unfortunate reason they donít have the network of people to make timely changes to keep users up to date.

    Do you have the complete GPX database of all the trails that are authorized in the Angwin system you are in charge of?
    .

    Looks like a pretty comprehensive database. Is it accurate and who maintains it?
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    Switchblade2 - That map is pretty accurate, but does not include dozens of approved trails.
    Several different mapping websites will have maps of the Angwin trails.
    None of them are completely accurate.
    They are all different.

    AllTrails map - still a lot left out.
    https://www.alltrails.com/explore/us/california/angwin
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    Strava has a heatmap that is more comprehensive but confusing to look at.

    I have only been tracking my rides of Strava starting in 2018.
    I have made it my mission to ride every trail and put it up.
    There is only one trail that I have not yet ridden this year.
    Not enough time to get to it on my short pre-work morning rides.
    A little bit of a commitment (vert/time) and needs a cool day.
    Just haven't gotten around to it yet - soon...
    And then my personal heatmap of Angwin will be complete.
    But still confusing to look at...

    The Forest Manager is using my data as well as others to create the first/only complete map of the Angwin trails. These maps will be available at the trail head as soon as the trail head is upgraded.
    New parking lot, signage, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jibmaster View Post
    These maps will be available at the trail head as soon as the trail head is upgraded.
    New parking lot, signage, etc...
    The Las Posadas trailhead is a mess. I'm stoked that they'll be upgrading that! I've always been worried about vehicles parking in front of the emergency access gates - afraid that an emergency vehicle won't be able to get in because someone parked too close!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jibmaster View Post
    The Forest Manager is using my data as well as others to create the first/only complete map of the Angwin trails.
    That Garmin Oregon unit getting any use out there!?

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    Thanx for that!
    Just got the usb cord for it. Will be testing it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jibmaster View Post
    Switchblade2 - That map is pretty accurate, but does not include dozens of approved trails.
    Several different mapping websites will have maps of the Angwin trails.
    None of them are completely accurate.
    They are all different.

    AllTrails map - still a lot left out.
    https://www.alltrails.com/explore/us/california/angwin
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    Strava has a heatmap that is more comprehensive but confusing to look at.

    I have only been tracking my rides of Strava starting in 2018.
    I have made it my mission to ride every trail and put it up.
    There is only one trail that I have not yet ridden this year.
    Not enough time to get to it on my short pre-work morning rides.
    A little bit of a commitment (vert/time) and needs a cool day.
    Just haven't gotten around to it yet - soon...
    And then my personal heatmap of Angwin will be complete.
    But still confusing to look at...

    The Forest Manager is using my data as well as others to create the first/only complete map of the Angwin trails. These maps will be available at the trail head as soon as the trail head is upgraded.
    New parking lot, signage, etc...
    job I have no idea how you are going to use the Strava heat map to create individual trails to a new or existing database of individual gpx tracks. Upon reviewing the Trailforks database of trails I noted that there are 45 listed trails with individual gpx tracks for each trail. There are a bunch of duplicate trails shown on the map with no tracks listed. I am showing a picture to indicate what I am talking about.

    I am curious if the trail names indicated in the Trailforks database are the names you are keeping or do you have your own special names that you are going to use. I would be willing to help clean up the Trailforks database if you are interested. How many more trails are there than the 45 listed?
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    The Forest Manager is using GPS data to locate the general area where trails are.
    He goes out there with his own stuff and creates a map. If he sees a trail on Strava that he's not aware of, he'll go out there and check it out. Or I will email him one of my rides on Strava where I saw a tree down, etc.

    He used to ride out there, but does not know every little detail.
    Myself and the one other trail builder that came forward have been riding out there
    several times a week for many years, so he likes to talk to us.
    Many trails have no name.
    It's funny trying to describe a location with another local.
    "You know, the trail by the tree...after you take that left and the log..."
    "What?!"

    And then there are all the segments on Strava with names. Not sure who came up with those.
    My favorite name is Drop Kick Me Jesus.

    I think Trailforks is the site I used to change the name on two of the trails I built.
    Slackline and The Great Traverse
    The trails all have different names - depends which website you look at.

    For example, on Trailforks:

    -wrong names-
    Scoobies, Neopolitin and Busy Bee is all one trail called The One Mile Singletrack.
    Busy Bird is The Manzanita Maze.
    Swoops and Woops is .06 Mile Sinlgetrack.
    Cut Out (one of my trails) is The Loamy Knoll
    Smiles For Miles has always been called Vertigo by locals, but the 4H Camp put up
    as sign a few decades ago calling it Full Moon Rock Trail.
    The steep(black) trail coming down from the airport is called The Wall.

    -trails that I created that do not show up-
    I created a few trails below Slackline, loosely called the Slackline Maze that are not on there
    Big Boulder - not the one at the base of Roosevelt Road
    Fall Line
    The Dragon
    Last Call

    -trails not made/named by me not on Trailforks-
    Blue Post
    Teepee Trail
    The Swithbacks
    The Serpent
    Maxwell Tree Trail

    I could go on - I love looking at maps!
    But I've got to get out there today to do some maintenance on my Slackline Maze trails today. Supposed to meet the Forest Manager out there.
    Peter is his name - tired of typing Forest Manager...

    Oh, and I don't see Dans Wild Ride on there. Along with the fire roads/trails about halfway down DWR that return to Angwin.

    :edit:
    Found the fire road/trail - Canyon Road.
    I think I've seen other names for that as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jibmaster View Post
    The Forest Manager is using GPS data to locate the general area where trails are.
    He goes out there with his own stuff and creates a map. If he sees a trail on Strava that he's not aware of, he'll go out there and check it out. Or I will email him one of my rides on Strava where I saw a tree down, etc.

    He used to ride out there, but does not know every little detail.
    Myself and the one other trail builder that came forward have been riding out there
    several times a week for many years, so he likes to talk to us.
    Many trails have no name.
    It's funny trying to describe a location with another local.
    "You know, the trail by the tree...after you take that left and the log..."
    "What?!"

    And then there are all the segments on Strava with names. Not sure who came up with those.
    My favorite name is Drop Kick Me Jesus.

    I think Trailforks is the site I used to change the name on two of the trails I built.
    Slackline and The Great Traverse
    The trails all have different names - depends which website you look at.

    For example, on Trailforks:

    -wrong names-
    Scoobies, Neopolitin and Busy Bee is all one trail called The One Mile Singletrack.
    Busy Bird is The Manzanita Maze.
    Swoops and Woops is .06 Mile Sinlgetrack.
    Cut Out (one of my trails) is The Loamy Knoll
    Smiles For Miles has always been called Vertigo by locals, but the 4H Camp put up
    as sign a few decades ago calling it Full Moon Rock Trail.
    The steep(black) trail coming down from the airport is called The Wall.

    -trails that I created that do not show up-
    I created a few trails below Slackline, loosely called the Slackline Maze that are not on there
    Big Boulder - not the one at the base of Roosevelt Road
    Fall Line
    The Dragon
    Last Call

    -trails not made/named by me not on Trailforks-
    Blue Post
    Teepee Trail
    The Swithbacks
    The Serpent
    Maxwell Tree Trail

    I could go on - I love looking at maps!
    But I've got to get out there today to do some maintenance on my Slackline Maze trails today. Supposed to meet the Forest Manager out there.
    Peter is his name - tired of typing Forest Manager...

    Oh, and I don't see Dans Wild Ride on there. Along with the fire roads/trails about halfway down DWR that return to Angwin.

    :edit:
    Found the fire road/trail - Canyon Road.
    I think I've seen other names for that as well.
    Sounds like you have the mapping and naming of trails under control. Were I ride one of the user created trails was called Gunsmoke. It was a worthy connector trail between two popular trails. The USFS didnít like the name so they eliminated the name entirely. Now at the north end of the trail there is a sign that says To Mescal and at the south end there is a sign that says To Longcanyon.

    The approved USFS trail map and MTBProject doesnít name the trail because they donít know what to call it. On Trailforks I split the trail in half and on the north end I call the trail To Mescal and the south end To Longcanyon. Now when riders look on their Trailforks app to orientate the trail name corresponds to to the sign name. What a Country!

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    That's the trick w/user created maps. Especially Strava, but also Trailforks and OSM and MTBProject... people will put all sorts of nonsense on there. Let alone trails which have been around a while and people give them different names.

    You can import trail shapes from your Strava rides into Trailforks. See their tutorial here: https://www.trailforks.com/help/view/7/ . Or upload a GPX file.

    Also if you're the authority for the area, reach out to Brent @ Trailforks and he can help you with a bunch of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jibmaster View Post
    Angwin is home to many redwood trees - the farthest east these trees grow in California.
    ummm, the Sierra Nevada Mountains have plenty of Redwoods, and they are much further east than Angwin...... ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchblade2 View Post
    job I have no idea how you are going to use the Strava heat map to create individual trails to a new or existing database of individual gpx tracks.
    I draw gps tracks directly in mapping software using the heat map as a reference, you can get pretty close drawing on a topo using common sense and landmarks. Eventually I'll get on it and record a more accurate track. It's a good way to get a general handle on what's out there.

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    In Arizona we can see the trail on an up close satellite view. It makes for real accurate mapping using the draw tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jibmaster
    Do not build any trails
    Curious to this comment of yours, were you authorized to build all the rogue trails youíve been involved with?
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Curious to this comment of yours, were you authorized to build all the rogue trails youíve been involved with?
    Yes. I have always had permission.

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    jib thatís awesome. I love to hear trail building sceneros where a volunteer trail builder had the passion and trail savvy to make an awesome trail system for others to enjoy decades to come. Just think if it wasnít for you and others like you there probably wouldnít be a popular trail system there. Do you have any remorse? Well done!

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    Actually thereís an over abundance of braid trails in some of the areas, wouldnít call it an awesome trail system as far as that goes. Just sayn.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Actually thereís an over abundance of braid trails in some of the areas, wouldnít call it an awesome trail system as far as that goes. Just sayn.
    JMac what do braids do to make a trail system less awesome? Itís easy to eliminate braids that jibmaster and the landmanagers deam unnecessary. Just sayn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jibmaster View Post
    Angwin is home to many redwood trees - the farthest east these trees grow in California.

    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    ummm, the Sierra Nevada Mountains have plenty of Redwoods, and they are much further east than Angwin...... ;-)
    My bad - I should have been more specific.
    Coast Redwoods
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    https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/onli...irley/sec4.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchblade2 View Post
    JMac what do braids do to make a trail system less awesome? Itís easy to eliminate braids that jibmaster and the landmanagers deam unnecessary. Just sayn!
    Have you ridden said trails out here? Just sayn.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jibmaster View Post
    My bad - I should have been more specific.
    Coast Redwoods
    Sequoia sempervirens

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    OIC, so if all the black marks on that map represent the Coastal Redwoods, wouldn't the ones I highlighted further down the coast be the furthest east as well? Or did you mean furthest east of the physical ocean?

    Sorry, not trying to nit pick, just curious what you meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Have you ridden said trails out here? Just sayn.
    If you mean Angwin not in the last 20 years., but I have ridden areas that have lots of braids and have had an enjoyable experience. Now itís up to the DECIDERS as to how they want to deal with the braids.

    With the thinning of the entire forest area there will be lots of slash to cover the existing braids they donít want,

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    This trail has been decommissioned.
    Last edited by jibmaster; 10-05-2018 at 10:49 AM. Reason: trail no longer exists

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    Wow! I don't have time to read through all of the responses to the OP, but this is fantastic news. I was initially surprised to see a thread named "Angwin" when I was DM'ed years ago not to mention that name in here, when I did not know it was "undocumented", lol! Thank you so, so much for stepping forward to help the land management with providing legit access. I can not love this enough.
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    Jib - I notced that on FB that there are official PUC trail maps available now. Any news on this? Is there a web site to view a PDF of their new map?
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    The maps are for students and faculty only - for now...
    Last edited by jibmaster; 10-09-2018 at 12:55 PM.

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    Thanks for all your hard work and dedication jibmaster! Iím heading there tomorrow. First time in 20 years and Iím really looking forward to it.

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    Wasn't able to get out there today. Hope you had a great ride!

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    Anyone have a recommended route that'd be fairly easy to follow for this place? I've been looking around a bit on Trailforks, but the place seems to have a million little options. thinking of heading out to explore tomorrow, smoke be damned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast4aSlowGuy View Post
    Anyone have a recommended route that'd be fairly easy to follow for this place? I've been looking around a bit on Trailforks, but the place seems to have a million little options. thinking of heading out to explore tomorrow, smoke be damned.
    The number of routes is infinite.

    Suggestion using the Trailforks names:

    SwoopsandWhoops>TheSaddle>Slackline>BusyBody/BusyBee>Neapolatiin>Scoobies>EasyDoesIt>RollerCoaster>TheSaddle>The GreatTraverse>...

    I could go on...

    Maybe I'll see you out there tomorrow.

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