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    07' Hope pics...

    A few closeup shots of the new Hope brakes. The new levers are the nicest hydro levers I have ever seen, just incredible looking. Very compact/clean design, and the lever blades feel much better to the hand than previous versions. If they work anywhere near as good as they look then we'll have a winner.

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    The new Moto. Said to have 25% more power than the M4. Also has adjustable lever engagement feel (the red dial). These things are just absolutely amazing looking!! Very beefy but beautiful too.
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    Wow.. thanks for posting these Larry.... They look awesome!!!

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    Thanks for posting these Larry

    Man I can't believe it, a fully vented bike disc How thick is that MOTO rotor? As far as I can see the support is between every hole, is it all the way through or just kinds peg like? What sort of weight do the MOTOs have? They definitely look sick.
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    I just recieved my '07 M4's with floating rotors and stainless lines, and the whole set-up looks absolutely great. I'm looking forward to completing the bike so I can use them and see if they were worth not going with a "normal" brand like Avid, Hayes or Magura.

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    How are the Hope trials brakes, which look like minis but are listed to be used for trials only, different than the minis?

    The Hopetech site has both listed, and to me they look the same...RC

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    holy sh!t those are so nice
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    Those are gorgeous. Somebody ride them in the rain for a month and report back on if they are as noisy as they are blingy.
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    Very bling in the shop... but those grooves on a silver brake will get caked with mud and look kinda poo's in a very short space of time.
    Still - I like the lever clamp design... very nice.

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    Larry,

    Now we just need to get those Ventana T-Moto's happening so I can bolt some of the HOPE Moto's to it!

    The anticipation is killing me!
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    wow that rotor for the moto is sick
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    Weights here....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2xPneu
    How are the Hope trials brakes, which look like minis but are listed to be used for trials only, different than the minis?

    The Hopetech site has both listed, and to me they look the same...RC


    They have a different leverage ratio so the trials are provided with a much more on and off feel. They also have trails specific discs!



    The new brakes look amazing though i still prefer the black and gole but still!!!!

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    also, where's the cheapest place for the hopes on the net?

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    Only review I've found so far,MBUK linked from Hope UK web site

    http://www.hopetech.com/database/MBUK.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomzo22
    also, where's the cheapest place for the hopes on the net?
    Contact Larry, the original poster of this thread, he will likely give you the best deal..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ventanarama
    A few closeup shots of the new Hope brakes. The new levers are the nicest hydro levers I have ever seen, just incredible looking. Very compact/clean design, and the lever blades feel much better to the hand than previous versions. If they work anywhere near as good as they look then we'll have a winner.

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    Iam well pissed ive just upgraded my M4 discs for floating ones and the guy at the bike shop never mentioned these were due to be released.( what a bummer)

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    My steed looks pretty good but i will have to get the new discs now. How much better is the breaking? how much do they cost? when can i get them?..........Cheers

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    hummina hummina hummina hummina! Upgrade-itus is commin' on strong

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2xPneu
    How are the Hope trials brakes, which look like minis but are listed to be used for trials only, different than the minis?

    The Hopetech site has both listed, and to me they look the same...RC

    They actually changet back to the old lever for the trials version. The made a few w/ the moto, and the advantages it had for regular bikes werent as pronounced on the trials version, or during trials use. They were always good w/ that lever, so no big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ****me
    Iam well pissed ive just upgraded my M4 discs for floating ones and the guy at the bike shop never mentioned these were due to be released.( what a bummer)
    Welcome to the club. I bought M4s with floating discs (I.S. version) just a few weeks ago, and a set of SS hoses to install myself, no idea these were available. I could have had the '07 version for a few bucks more. It's killing me. And it turns out I should have gone with post-mount front anyway. . .

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    Anyone have any idea re pricing for the new Mono Minis?
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    I'm looking for a price on an M4 caliper. I know, not the place.

    These new ones look fantastic. I'm loving the Mono Minis I got from Larry anyhow and no desire to move up. Best thing about Hopes is how solid they feel and all the good quality metal parts. So I'm hoping they will be on my bike for years to come.

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    My question

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    Weights here....

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    Moto 203mm with Adaptor



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    M4 180mm with Adaptor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Call_me_Clyde
    What IS that spewage on your scale??
    Correction: Larry's scale

    It's spilled beer. We drink a lot at MHC. A LOT





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    Quote Originally Posted by Ventanarama
    The new Moto. Said to have 25% more power than the M4. Also has adjustable lever engagement feel (the red dial). These things are just absolutely amazing looking!! Very beefy but beautiful too.
    Hey Larry,

    You (or anyone you know) have any time on these motos? Wondering how they compare to the Gustavs - power, "feel", etc.

    On second thought, maybe I should stop wondering about such things, huh?

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    Not convinced with the air flow rotor, It pumps air all the time, this is energy wasted, also it might suck dust and roost, might fill with mud, snow, ice.

    I have never seen a rotor glow on a bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott
    Not convinced with the air flow rotor, It pumps air all the time, this is energy wasted, also it might suck dust and roost, might fill with mud, snow, ice.

    I have never seen a rotor glow on a bike?
    The rotor doesn't need to glow to cause the brake to fade though...

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    Point taken, I would have thought that pad metrial and design would mostly look after that.

    But put on a pad designed for the low temp, fill the rotors with cooked mud, and you have the worst of both worlds.

    Better yet mud with little bits of grass and gravel, just to make picking it out hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott
    Point taken, I would have thought that pad material and design would mostly look after that.

    But put on a pad designed for the low temp, fill the rotors with cooked mud, and you have the worst of both worlds.

    Better yet mud with little bits of grass and gravel, just to make picking it out hard.
    I see your point too.... however that gap doesn't seem wide enough for a lot of crap to fit in it... I would also expect that it can fall off easily..... I think it is quite known how muddy it can get in the UK, maybe there aren't many downhills where the vented discs are "required", but I would suspect that muddy conditions were at least one of the likely test environments during the design....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Those are gorgeous. Somebody ride them in the rain for a month and report back on if they are as noisy as they are blingy.
    Noise in the rain will differ quite a bit I've noticed, depending on the frame. Some frames you will hardly hear a squeal, other amplify the sound and are so loud it actually hurts your ears. And that's with the mounts on both being properly faced, and swapping the same brakeset.

    Fortunately for me, Titus rear ends don't carry brake noise too much. My Mono Minis and M4s are both fairly quiet when wet. I get a few annoying squeals with the Minis, but the floating rotors on the M4s seem to go a long ways towards eliminating noise.

    I wonder if those lever blades will fit the classic mini lever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel
    Correction: Larry's scale

    It's spilled beer. We drink a lot at MHC. A LOT




    LOL! Let's see, the various things dripped/splattered on the scale are probably beer, dirt, brake fluid, fork oil, chain lube, and grease.

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    Never looked at motor cycle brake discs or car discs then they have been using that sort of design for melenia (sp?) True that car and motorbike discs are a lot bigger, but still don't see a prob with this design, should actually work a lot better for the intended app which I would believe to be DH type stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott
    Not convinced with the air flow rotor, It pumps air all the time, this is energy wasted, also it might suck dust and roost, might fill with mud, snow, ice.

    I have never seen a rotor glow on a bike?
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    Larry - Are you or someone else riding them yet?
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    BTW, very nice job with the camera, Larry. Those are some of the better focused and exposed closeups that you are likely to see on emptybeer.

    The perch on the moto is positioned amazingly far inboard:



    I guess that would give you tons of options of where to position your shifter outboard of the brake's clamp area. You had better get very wide bars that don't flare or bend soon though!
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    Wups...

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    Wow...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ventanarama
    The new Moto. Said to have 25% more power than the M4. Also has adjustable lever engagement feel (the red dial). These things are just absolutely amazing looking!! Very beefy but beautiful too.

    ... I think I just came

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    Am I the only one who thinks the levers on these are going to just suck to keep clean??? All the machined reliefs and holes on the M4 look like serious dirt colectors. Don't get me wrong, the cnc work is cool. But other that being able to say, "hey look at my cool cnc brakes", what value is added?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    BTW, very nice job with the camera, Larry. Those are some of the better focused and exposed closeups that you are likely to see on emptybeer.

    The perch on the moto is positioned amazingly far inboard:



    I guess that would give you tons of options of where to position your shifter outboard of the brake's clamp area. You had better get very wide bars that don't flare or bend soon though!
    You are right, and some people are going to have problems positioning the Moto levers. If you run them quite far inboard to use one (index) finger braking then some oversize bars won't allow enough movement. Also, if you are using a normal bar and can position the levers far enough in, then the gear window on Shimano triggers will have to be removed and the triggers run outboard of the brakes. I don't think Sram triggers or twisters will be affected the same. I personally like to one finger brake and wouldn't like to lose the gear window. Both these brakes look stunning in the flesh though and they are desirable.
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    Might work for me...

    I run my levers pretty far inboard. I like to run them so I can get two fingers on the ends. My trigger shifters are pretty far in too. I have to actually reach a tad go hit them. I hate having them dig into my thumb and index finger.

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    The british mags that have reviewed these have said that there's hardly anywhere in the UK with a long enough downhill to test them for fade. The Snowdon trail[Wales's biggest lump] would probably suffice

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    Ordered a pair of M4s from Hope thoe other week. 7" red floating rotors front and rear, w/ steel braided housing. Hope said they will ship out tomorrow

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    Hi,

    Anybody running the moto levers, I've just installed, riden, and have loads of excess lever travel regardless of how I adjust the red bite point control knob?

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    Great photos and great looking brakes but WHY only POST mount ?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOY
    Great photos and great looking brakes but WHY only POST mount ?????
    postmount is easier to adjust the caliper , and i think is more stiff.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cuthberm


    Hi,

    Anybody running the moto levers, I've just installed, riden, and have loads of excess lever travel regardless of how I adjust the red bite point control knob?

    thanks
    Sounds like they need a bleed. The ones I have in stock feel fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOY
    Great photos and great looking brakes but WHY only POST mount ?????

    They are not post mount only, they have both IS and post mount adapters.

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    Thanks Larry, what I was getting at is that for IS mounting one will need an adaptor that is something I did not need with the old mono, I think POST mount on IS mount with an adaptor looks untidy!

    I can understanding why they do it, now all they have to manufacture is one common caliper body and a bunch of different adaptors for different configuration which is far easier from the manufacturing standpoint.

    Post mount maybe easier to adjust for the first time however with IS mount once you have it right the first time you will never have to readjust in normal circumstances; all you have to do is to remount with the same shim configuration. Moreover 99% of rear brakes uses IS mount.... Hope may have lost a customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ventanarama
    Sounds like they need a bleed. The ones I have in stock feel fine.

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    Yes your right, managed to get down to the LBS yesterday, even though I'd not had to cut down the front hose they needed a bleed, now all is well. I was expecting them to be OK from the box as per my previouse experiences with hope brakes.

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    The new '07 blade does in fact retrofit to the old Mini lever just fine. It's more comfortable IMO. And looks great. I'm going to try them out before buying though to be sure it will engage at the appropriate angle.

    I really like the new lever more than the old Mini, it's more compact, especially the reservoir. And there are some nice details, such as the recess for the pivot screw. The calipers I can take or leave. I prefer not to use adapters when possible (especially for the rear caliper), but with forks all going to post mount, it will be necessary in order to run larger rotors anyway.

    Although the new smaller diameter hose is much more flexible, it feels flimsy in comparison, and I have a hard time believing it will resist expansion as well as the old one. I think it's worth the cost to get the SS hose.

    Hope really needs to insulate their brakes better too. The lever clamp cut into the hose during shipping.
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    Go ride them for a week in the pouring rain already!

    Or are Hope users all gun-shy of that already?
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    Just got my M4s w/ 7" 2 pc rotors and steel braided hosing today! They look sharp! If anyone wanted the weight of the rotor (7" 2pc) or the system itslef, let me know, I'll go weigh it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOY
    Thanks Larry, what I was getting at is that for IS mounting one will need an adaptor that is something I did not need with the old mono, I think POST mount on IS mount with an adaptor looks untidy!

    I can understanding why they do it, now all they have to manufacture is one common caliper body and a bunch of different adaptors for different configuration which is far easier from the manufacturing standpoint.

    Post mount maybe easier to adjust for the first time however with IS mount once you have it right the first time you will never have to readjust in normal circumstances; all you have to do is to remount with the same shim configuration. Moreover 99% of rear brakes uses IS mount.... Hope may have lost a customer.
    I agree, the only people to really benefit from postmount are the manufacturers- but i think Hope have been pushed into it, to keep costs down.

    I don't agree that postmount are easier to set up. With shims you can get the caliper dead centre over the disc and then record how many shims are used. For all my possible brake/wheel combinations i have it all wrote down and its quick to change if i wish. I've also seen posts about stripped threads in postmount forks- a hassle you don't need.
    Postmount brakes are also heavier, the only possible benefit to the consumer is when using larger discs you just buy a new adaptor whereas under some circumstances it would meen buying a new caliper if using direct fit.

    The reason i don't think they are easier to align is from my experience with Juicy 5's and Saints. Sure, loosen the bolts, press the lever, tighten the bolts and it's all set up perfectly. NO it isn't because the disc will flex, the hose will restrict the caliper movement and one piston will probably move more than the other. Both times i've had to remove the pads, ensure the pistons are pushed back fully, then align them by eye. This has given good results with even pad wear- but it's definately not quicker than shims and could possibly get knocked out of alignment after an off etc. Anyhow, like it or not, were stuck with em, rant over.
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    Post mount is the way of the future. It allows brake makers to manufacture only one caliper body to fit all applications. I believe the manufacturing savings offset the cost of the adapters. And adapters are cheap. Those of us who have purchased new Magura Calipers to put them on different forks will greatly appreciate this.

    Post mount also provides shimless adjustment, which is nice.

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