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    Rock Mountain bikes?

    http://www.rockmachine.us/07preview/index.html
    http://www.rockmachine.us/08preview/

    They are awesome, they look very aggressive/aerodynamic. Anyone owns one of this beautiful bikes?

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    They look like they're hoping to get sued for trademark violations... Rocky Mountain holds a trademark on the name Blizzard for models, and Norco for Torrent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    They look like they're hoping to get sued for trademark violations... Rocky Mountain holds a trademark on the name Blizzard for models, and Norco for Torrent.
    My understanding is that you can't claim trademark rights for a name that is just a word from the English language. Otherwise I think Mitsubishi, Giro, Jamis and Pecco's would all be in court over the 'Eclipse' name.

    For the same reason anyone can name their bike 'Trail' without having to pay the first company to use the word 'trail' in a bike name.

    Edit: I think Rocky Mountain and Norco are the least of their worries when it comes to making people angry for stealing their name...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Machine
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    You can in fact trademark a word in the English languauge for the use you are using it for. For instance you could not come out with a car named an Eclipse, but you can come out with a bike or other product named Eclipse. Just think of all the products with english words for names. Crest toothpaste, Tide detergent etc. These would be poor name choices if they could not be protected.

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    Jamis holds trademarks on all their model names, and has sued other bicycle product related companies before for having models using the same name. They hold the trademark on using the word Diablo for example, and sued rockshox in 1994 when they unveiled their new "diablo" model fork. That fork got renamed to Judy after the first 100 or so Diablo's were made and distributed exclusively to pro/elite racers.

    Rocky Mountain previously sued Parkpre for having a model named Hammer in their lineup (early 90s) when Rocky had been using that name for a model for several years already.

    As to Pecco's, Eclipse is the BRAND NAME (not a model name) and Pecco's as the store is the exclusive distributor/dealer for it. As to gyro, they're probably licensing the name from Jamis. If you want a car company example of a trademark, take the Cobra.... every few years Ford releases a Cobra edition mustang in order to maintain ownership of their trademark and stick it to Carroll Shelby (who'd love to get the trademark away from Ford since its his name often associated with the Cobra moniker when it comes to cars, aka the AC Cobra conversions he used to do in the 1960s).
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    But where this bikes are being up for salee?

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    From the bottom of their own homepage-
    "Rock Machine is registered trade mark of Rock Machine Ltd. (c) Rock Machine Ltd., 2006-2007. All Rights Reserved."

    I'm fairly certain both "Rock" and "Machine" are both words in the English language.

    As far as the bikes go, I can't say I'm very impressed. Is this a China knock off operation or what?

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    what a great name for a bike.

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    What's with their site? Its so, um, vague.
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    The name Rock Machine itself used to belong to a department store cheapie produced by Ross. Don't know if they stepped their game up or if these guys are unrelated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeb
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    what a great name for a bike.
    haha, my thoughts exactly!

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    more like ex-soviet union

    Quote Originally Posted by bmadau
    From the bottom of their own homepage-
    "Rock Machine is registered trade mark of Rock Machine Ltd. (c) Rock Machine Ltd., 2006-2007. All Rights Reserved."

    I'm fairly certain both "Rock" and "Machine" are both words in the English language.

    As far as the bikes go, I can't say I'm very impressed. Is this a China knock off operation or what?

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    the contact address reads like a front for a mail box drop.
    dial the number and you get a generic "leave a message or send a fax"
    the "#4650" is USPS parlance for Private Mail Box or PMB.
    if they tried to use Suite the mail would not get delivered since the address is a basic street address.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith
    For instance you could not come out with a car named an Eclipse, but you can come out with a bike or other product named Eclipse.
    You must not be a car enthusiast because Mitsubishi has a model named Eclipse.

    As far as the bikes go; whoopy! Just what we need, some more knock offs of Jamis, KHS and other bargain bikes. I'll bet they come with a ton of problems.

    Even in the not so good photos you can see bad welds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ericmopar
    You must not be a car enthusiast because Mitsubishi has a model named Eclipse.
    No duh. What he means is Ford can't come out with an Eclipse model.

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    Bunch of FSR bikes... wondering how much they'd go for if they're paying Specialized royalty... Very hard to believe a small company (mainly cause i've never heard of them before) would do that as it costs money. Lots of it.

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    And specialized will be after them if they try to sell in the US. Horst links on the FS bikes...
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    Lets not forget HD trade marking the name Hog.
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    Bikes don't look bad if they are cheap.

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    It's a FSR rear & no where on the site does it say Scumulized.
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    http://www.rockmachine.us/07preview/pages/a3000.htm

    That external reservoir is going to make a mess of the top tube.

    I don't see how the hell that rear suspension works. It looks like there is a SC Blur like strut between the Seat and chain stays. If it is a single pivot the rear end will be locked solid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furrner
    http://www.rockmachine.us/07preview/pages/a3000.htm

    That external reservoir is going to make a mess of the top tube.

    I don't see how the hell that rear suspension works. It looks like there is a SC Blur like strut between the Seat and chain stays. If it is a single pivot the rear end will be locked solid.
    Its a 4-bar virtual pivot, you can make out the dark lower link behind the chainrings. The fact the 07s had THREE different full suspension frame designs for the Adrenaline series is comical but at least one of them let me identify the actual frame manufacturer as Kinesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furrner
    http://www.rockmachine.us/07preview/pages/a3000.htm

    That external reservoir is going to make a mess of the top tube.

    I don't see how the hell that rear suspension works. It looks like there is a SC Blur like strut between the Seat and chain stays. If it is a single pivot the rear end will be locked solid.
    shock pivot 2 goes down... not up. It clears easily...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpercussive
    shock pivot 2 goes down... not up. It clears easily...
    So where does the reservoir end up when the shock is in the compressed position? It is not a Fox shock where the reservoir is on the main chamber, it is a Manitou which has the canister on the moving part of the shock. The upper linkage is at about 10 o clock and will rotate towards 12 o clock as the shock compresses, pushing the canister up towards the top tube.

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    Most likely the axle path causes the shock mount to pull downwards and forwards clearing the reservoir from the toptube. Depends on how the lower link is setup and we can't see it.
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    Here is my problem how can it push down with this pivot moving this way? Unless there is something I am missing: (Notice orange markings)

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    Again as I said, it depends which path the axle takes which depends on how the lower link rotates and its hard to determine that when its hidden behind the chainrings. In any ase the model doesn't exist in the 2008 lineup (which seems to just involve horst-linked four bars). But the arc the upper link swings thru doesn't automatically dictate the arc the shock end swings thru as the seat strut compresses the shock.
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    Is anyone able to find a US dealer on their site?

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    A quick whois search of the domain shows the billing contact in Switzerland and the technical contact in Prague, CZ. The registered owner is Alex James of Miami. I thought that LLC's had to represent themselves as such; the use of "LTD" seems odd doesn't it?
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    Sounds suspicious to me
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    Especially since there's at least patent infringement on the FSR and possibly the DW-Link or VPP...

    Should be fun to see what happens (if anything) with these bikes. I know that the HL (FSR) patent is only a US issue, but what about DW or VPP, are they just US patents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by explodingtaco
    Here is my problem how can it push down with this pivot moving this way? Unless there is something I am missing: (Notice orange markings)

    Just swap which way round the shock is (opposite and upside down)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Poulsom
    Just swap which way round the shock is (opposite and upside down)
    Then what kind of bike seller is so stupid as to put the shock on backwards and then post it on their web site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by explodingtaco
    Then what kind of bike seller is so stupid as to put the shock on backwards and then post it on their web site.
    Again without actually cycling the suspension you cannot say from a photo that its automatically going to hit the reservoir into the top tube the way you think it is. Also its not unusual for many bike makers to assemble a bike for a catalog photo in such a way, hell in such a way as it actually goes out to the bike stores that the shock is oriented in a silly manner when it comes to actually owning the bike. You see this with non-reservoir shocks ALL the time, where the only way the brand of shock they've chosen fits either the damping adjusters are next to impossible to access, or the air valve is.

    For example, my Oryx Hurricane 250...

    <img src="https://yoda.densan.ca/kmr/bikes/hurricane3.jpg">

    This is how I had to run the shock so I could actually get to the air valve (which is on the left side of the shock and forwards on the shock body oriented as pictured) without it being hidden behind the mounting bracket of the frame, or inside the linkage at the top. Doing so unfortunetly buried the rebound adjuster knob in such a way that you could only make small click movements of it with your finger tip. When I got the bike, the shock was flipped upside down to how it is here, changing the air pressure meant unbolting the upper linkage to pull the shock out, but the rebound adjuster was easily accessed.
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