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    18 year female needs help with Cake or Blur...which one?

    Alright, I'm actually a 35 year old roadie, but I apologize....

    In the market for a MTB...for both singletrack and some racing in Minnesota. (Race the MN series and will also race Cheme Fat Tire 40) I'm a mid-pack advanced rider (who needs to replace his hardtail).

    A few questions.
    1) What are the differences betwen the Blur models. Blur, XC, LT, and 4x. I rode one tonight, not sure which...and was BLOW away. It was a 2004 with Reba adjustable front fork. Had it at 100, but would enjoy having adjustability. Which is most popular? The SC site is not very helpful comparing each model.....

    2) How does the Blur compare with the Cake Deluxe 4x4 (duck for cover). I can get a hell of a deal on Trek products, so that might be an option. But, never ridden one personally.

    Any bikes worth considering?? Please don't bring up off-name manufacturers as I won't be able to find/service.

    Thanks in advance...and I'll post pix of some cute 18 year girls if I disappointed anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaFli
    Alright, I'm actually a 35 year old roadie, but I apologize....

    In the market for a MTB...for both singletrack and some racing in Minnesota. (Race the MN series and will also race Cheme Fat Tire 40) I'm a mid-pack advanced rider (who needs to replace his hardtail).

    A few questions.
    1) What are the differences betwen the Blur models. Blur, XC, LT, and 4x. I rode one tonight, not sure which...and was BLOW away. It was a 2004 with Reba adjustable front fork. Had it at 100, but would enjoy having adjustability. Which is most popular? The SC site is not very helpful comparing each model.....

    2) How does the Blur compare with the Cake Deluxe 4x4 (duck for cover). I can get a hell of a deal on Trek products, so that might be an option. But, never ridden one personally.

    Any bikes worth considering?? Please don't bring up off-name manufacturers as I won't be able to find/service.

    Thanks in advance...and I'll post pix of some cute 18 year girls if I disappointed anyone.
    how dare you tease us fellow perverts and put forth such trickery! you obviously are a shallow man yourself and knew it would work

    as far as the Blur, the XC is going to be the best bet for your needs. The 4X is more robust up front so it can run a 6 inch travel fork. This would be for folks who are into racing dual slalom and Super D type of stuff. The LT is going to be a huge hit I think...as it is geared more towards the so-called "All mountain" crowd with more travel than the XC. The XC I think is your ticket and the XC of course stands for cross country and it will weigh 0.5 pounds less which is clearly a good thing. The Blur, as you probably know, uses VPP technology which for a roadie, is going to be great in terms of VPPs superior climbing characteristics when standing (ie, chain tension effectively locks it out)....but on technical climbing, it will of course be less active but for racing, I would love to have VPP. Another great VPP bike would be the Intense Spider but my guess is that the Blur XC is pretty darn close to the spider, but cheaper.

    The Cake I am sure is on ok bike (I have not ridden one) but the Blur will be superior during standing/mashing for sure and descending, Blurs are great, as well as over bumps on the flats.

    As far as Trek stuff, it sure is hard to not consider the Top Trek Fuel 110 is expensive (retail at least), but definitely a proven race bike.

    I kind think of several other bikes but tried to stick to Fisher/Trek/Santa Cruz as that is what you have looked at thus far. If interested, more detail can be provided and they would include the Turner Flux, Titus Racer-X, Yeti AS-R, Specialized Epic, Giant NRS, Ellsworth Truth...all of which you would see on the race circuit I am sure....and all with their own pluses and minuses

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    You rock! Thanks much.

    Stupid question #1)

    Is the Blur and Blur XC the same bike?
    (i.e. are there 3 or 4 models of Blur?)

    FWIW - I rode the the Blur along side the Epic. Both nice bikes...the SC just seemed higher on the "fun factor" scale. Plus, they had these sissy narrow flat bars on the Epic which drive me nuts. It's hard to test ride bikes when they aren't set-up the way you would ride them.

    Thanks for the other suggestions. I'll see if I can find any to ride...and then search the net for a new ride!

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    I "believe" (but don't quote me) that the regular old Blur is simply all Blurs up till now.......where now you have 3 choices as you have found out. My sense/guess is that the regular old Blur would fall somewhere between the Blur XC and the Blur LT both in terms of weight and travel. The Santa Cruz discussion board may be worth checking out/searching.

    I would indeed say that the Blur is more fun than an Epic. The Epic is too XCish for me but then again, it would make an excellent XC race bike so tradeoffs I suppose...

    But a Blur, built correctly, would be killer on the track as well, plus a ton of fun.

    Where do you live? Perhaps you can hook up with local folks to try some bikes out.

    It is mind-boggling how many great bikes there really are so i know it is tough....and the problem will become even bigger once you start researching since you will see what I am talking about and then all of a sudden you will have analysis paralysis. Not to mention, if you choose all the parts for the bike then you will have all those parts to sort out....but we are happy to help. My last 4 bikes were built up part by part as opposed to building a kit. Having said that, there are some great complete bikes to choose from.

    keep the questions coming....either here or on the manufacturer discussoin boards to get better advice from people who actually own those bikes.

    cheers

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    Yeah, blur XC and blur LT replace the "classic" blur. There is also the blur 4x, but that's a bike for more specialized application.

    blur XC has the same travel as the classic but is lighter and has a slightly modified geometry. The notion is that the XC is quicker and faster but still has much of the original blur's all around capabilities. The blur XC also comes in XS and has better standover clearance, at least on the S and XS. My wife has a blur XC on order.

    blur LT is a longer travel version of the classic with apparently the same frame weight. It was beefed up and can take bigger more aggressive forks, but can also be built up as a reasonably light longer travel XC bike.

    I had a classic blur for over a year and found it one of the best XCish all-around bikes out there. I have not taken either the XC or LT for a spin, but if those bikes keep the classic's ride capabilities (but now tweaked slightly each way) they will be seriously good bikes. Some, myself included, have had some modest (to worse) challenges with the pivots/bearings. I think if you simply get into a good upkeep/maintenance routine off the bat, that won't be an issue. Plus SC may have addressed some of those issues with these new frames. Time will tell. Both the XC and LT are popping up (as in people actually have the bikes and we're getting real world feedback)- see the SC forum for more details.
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    I haven't riden neither the Cake nor the Blur, but I would thing the Blur is a more versatile bike and Santa Cruz is a great company (I don't know about Gary Fisher Bikes), and haven't read anything amazing about the Cake, just that it's a good bike.

    I recently bought a new bike, and I considered the Blur. I went to Titus Moto Lite, since I don't race. But the bike is amazing and consider the Racer-X. Depend on your budget, you can get a pretty good bike. I think Titus has some intresting options for women for their Racer X. If you look in the women's corner forum, I've read that women specific designs are not for everyone. Titus has a nice explanation in their site regarding women sizing, so maybe it's worth taking a look:

    http://www.titusti.com/womenfit.html

    It's funny about the Blur with all their different options. I think Santa Cruz scored big with that design, and by making some changes they offer 3 or 4 designs (you already mentioned them ).

    I think that since you have already riden a Blur and liked it, it may be a good idea to stick to it, unless you can actually test ride other bikes.

    About the build, I hope you have a good LBS that could help you with the build for you.

    Also, maybe check also in the Women's corner forum, I think women have a differnt outlook on stuff and the gals over there are helpfull.

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    fyi - it is actually a guy who posted the thread (his title was only to get us to post)....

    funny you mention the Moto-lite though......I am considering downsizing from my awesome trailbike and the Moto-lite is on the list of candidates.....current bike is incredible but too much bike for me

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    Opps, someone fell for the banana in the tailpipe!!!!!

    So, how about I make up for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaFli
    Opps, someone fell for the banana in the tailpipe!!!!!

    So, how about I make up for it?

    Supa
    c'mon....you can do better than that
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    LOL...

    Although nice pix...my money is that none of them are remately close to the age cut-off. I wanted to post something to the imagination...kinda like perhaps a BLUR XC frame w/o the wheels on it.

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    good point...let me remove the second 2....the first girl "told" me she was 18

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    Idea! A Trek FuelEX WSD Perhaps ?

    Quote Originally Posted by SupaFli
    In the market for a MTB...for both singletrack and some racing in Minnesota. (Race the MN series and will also race Cheme Fat Tire 40) I'm a mid-pack advanced rider (who needs to replace his hardtail).

    Any bikes worth considering?? Please don't bring up off-name manufacturers as I won't be able to find/service.
    SupaFli, my misses has just test ridden the Scott Genius Contessa, Trek FuelEX9 WSD and Specialised FSR 100 Comp Womens and found that the FuelEX suited her best.

    I must say that the FuelEX is a crackin' bike. It's light, has a great "woman" fit and is well spec'd. The Rockshox suspension is excellent, right out of the box. They have a host of useful options and at the mo we're running it full soft and using the Poploc to lock out (almost) on the flat bits. It really rides well and has very almost no bob even with the Floodgate's off. You can ofcourse induce some bob with clumsy pedalling and the wrong gear

    I suspect that it'd be great all day ride (we've only managed short loops thus far) and it'd still be up for a bit of point n shoot racing when the need takes ya. It comes from the Fuel stable afterall. In comparison it's a more compliant ride to a Fuel yet still fast if that's possible...

    Although the Contessa was a nice ride it just didn't feel as balanced as the FuelEX and was harder work to get up to speed / maintain a rythm. The rear shock was more adjustable and quite a pain to setup. Although it was badged a women's bike it had longer 175mm cranks, unlike the others. The saddle actually drew blood too

    The Specialised might have made the cut but we couldn't get a bike for a long and comparable ride. It's a lower spec but my better half didn't report anything bad about it.

    At the end of the day I think the carbon "bling" on the FuelEX helped win her over. It's really inspired her to ride again (came from a '02 Marin TARA) and is bringing back her confidence too

    I'm still amazed that msFarqui took to the flippy shifters...

    I believe Trek also have a lower spec EX7 WSD available and it'd be my recommendation that you see if you can get one to try. It's mainstream too so I expect that it'll tick all your boxes.

    Good luck.
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    fyi - note: this is actually a male posting.....or perhaps it is a she-male

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