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    Hello Guys! Got A Quick Question About Current Bikes

    hi guys. just joined so be easy on me a bit. a little background. i am a 37 yr old tattoo artist originally from sturgeon bay wisconsin. currently reside in newton kansas outside of wichita. just got back into bicycles and i have a question i need answered..
    when i was younger(13 to 18) my friends and i rode high end bikes like trek, specialized, haro, tracker, redline, gt, mongoose, schwinn, etc... we purchased our bikes from local bike shops usually, or the occasional sale by a buddy. stores like gibsons etc sold bikes like huffy and murray etc. it was almost a status symbol to have a high end bike like the aforementioned brands and not a huffy or such. i have taken quite some time since i have been on a bike and when visiting places that sell bikes whether it be walmart or dicks sporting goods or the local bike shops some of the brands of my youth that were expensive in the eighties seem to have taken a serious drop in price. i remember buying a haro master bike with my first paychecks for around 550.00. now i see bikes like mongoose sold at walmart and haro flatland bikes sold for under 200.00. i was curious and was told that alot of these companies sold out to a chinese company and they dropped in price. anyone know a little more about this merger? after all the looking i settled on a specialized hard rock pro so i know i shoulda got a decent bike even tho i think it has been made in china..

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    Almost everything is made in China but the stuff that the big discount stores like walmart target and so on, are complete crap. I remember 15 years ago or so, you could get a decent american made bike at those places those days are long gone. Schwinn has sold their name and pretty much everything that has there name on it is complete chinese junk, same goes for the mongooses sold at walmart, or as some call them walgooses because they just have a name slapped on them. What walmarts sells will not be listed on any of mongoose's site. Trek still has a good name for itself but it seems that many of the companies are making cheaper bikes to try to compete with walmart, if you spend in the $550 and up neighborhood at an LBS you should be able to get a good bike. The specialized seem to be well liked by the people that own them. I believe the the workers at Schwinn when they went overseas started a new company in Wisconsin making hand crafted bikes I don't recall the companies name though.
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    All the specialized bikes are made in china and taiwan, except the sworks line. Trek is the same except the top tier oclv bikes (i think). Still usa made.
    There was no merger or buy out, they simply moved manufacturing to save money (even though prices haven't changed much).

    Haro never really kept up with the other brands.
    Schwinn sold their brand name to a cheap dept store bike company(consolidated with the company that bought huffy iirc). They still make some entry level & comfort bikes. Same with mongoose, sold their brand to a cheap importer but still make some mid level fs bikes.

    Cannondale has been passed around the party a few times, their manufacturing moved to taiwan too. The high end road bikes were the last to be made in bedford, not anymore.

    Taiwan and china are NOT the same. Workers in taiwan generally are as skilled as us workers and make nearly the same wages and decent quality products. China still can't make decent raw material or stick it together in any kind of skilled manner. How that country has managed a space program I'll never figure out.

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    A quick history of the downfall of Schwinn includes them being bought by Pacific bike in think in '01 which is why you saw them enter Walmarts and having the quality drop so low. Pacific also acquired GT bikes and gave them the same treatment and Pacific had already acquired Mongoose by that point if I remember correctly. Honestly, I'm sure the actual facts are out there but I'm google lazy today.

    Pacific was acquired by Dorel in '04 which has given Dorel control of those brands as well as Cannondale ('08) and Diamondback (might have been a Pacific company). You're actually seeing that in addition to the Wally level bikes Diamondback and Mongoose have high end offerings since being acquired by Dorel. Schwinn hasn't recovered but they do make some cool retro cruisers.

    Most of the other manufacturers are doing the same thing as before but with more overseas production.
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    well looks like my bike was made in taiwan after all. i would think that a reputable company such as mongoose or schwinn wouldnt want to sully their reputation by selling an inferior product. i could only imagine that it may have hurt their higher end product line sales. thank you for the posts guys.

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    Sadly, there is no high end schwinn or mongoose anymore.

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    Join us at the Vintage Retro Classic forum (VRC if you're nasty) and get your fix of real bicycles made by Americans "fark yeah!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by tat2slinger
    well looks like my bike was made in taiwan after all. i would think that a reputable company such as mongoose or schwinn wouldnt want to sully their reputation by selling an inferior product. i could only imagine that it may have hurt their higher end product line sales. thank you for the posts guys.
    First they have no high end bikes anymore, and second they only care about the money the more you sell the more money you get, quantity not quality is what the are all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueSpear2023
    .... I believe the the workers at Schwinn when they went overseas started a new company in Wisconsin making hand crafted bikes I don't recall the companies name though.
    The Schwinn family moved to Waterford, WI and started a brand name of Waterford bikes. They also have another brand name for the company called Gunnar. They make their frames to the high quality that Schwinn was known for back in the day, although they are considered more of a custom builder. To be honest, if you're looking for an American made bike you're mostly going to find custom builders. The brand name companies only build their highest end bikes in their American plants and the rest in Taiwan or China. Trek only makes the high end carbon bikes here. Even their low end carbon bikes are made overseas. But, as long as you buy from a local bike shop and do a bit of research, you'll still end up with a quality bike. Just avoid the big box stores.

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    anything sold in walmart, sports authority etc is pretty much junk. Mongoose still sells high end bikes ranging from $600 to over $4000 . not many shops sell them though. my last 2 full suspension bikes were Mongoose Otero Supers which are about $1000. Schwinn is what got me started but they are no longer what they used to be at all. most lbs shops sell quality bikes regardless whether its made in china, taiwan etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratmonkey
    Sadly, there is no high end schwinn or mongoose anymore.
    This is completely wrong and shows a lack of brand knowledge and typical predjudice against Mongoose.
    Sure bikes sold as Mongoose in Walmart etc are generally crap.
    HOWEVER
    My 2010 Mongoose Teocali Super, 6 inch travel all mountain bike is worth $3500.00 Australian dollars.
    At an exchange rate of 90 US cents to one Aussie dollar you Yanks would pay around $3850.00
    Tell me that spending $3850 on a bike would not get you High end?
    It is equipped with all high end gear and comfortably compares to "High end" brands such as Specialised, Trek in the ride and handling stakes etc
    The forks alone have a replacement cost of $800!!
    Unfortunately I agree that the Mongoose brand was tainted by Walgoose syndrome when they sold the brand but do not put all Mongeese in the same catagory

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    Quote Originally Posted by tat2slinger
    well looks like my bike was made in taiwan after all. i would think that a reputable company such as mongoose or schwinn wouldnt want to sully their reputation by selling an inferior product. i could only imagine that it may have hurt their higher end product line sales. thank you for the posts guys.
    As a note on this comment, you are absolutley correct in that selling budget products can damage and sully a brand name.
    See this extract from the Wikipedia entry on Specialized:

    In 1995, Specialized launched the Full Force brand.[12] Full Force was a lower-end mountain bike brand sold through sports stores and discount retailers such as Costco.[4] The move angered some Specialized dealers. In 1996, Specialized withdrew the Full Force line and Mike Sinyard wrote a letter of apology to dealers.[4][13] By the end of 1996, Specialized had lost 30% of its bike shop sales and, according to Sinyard, "came within a few hundred dollars of declaring bankruptcy".[4]

    As an owner of a high end Mongoose I get frustrated with the snide looks the unwashed, unknowing MTB plebs give my bike thinking it is simply a Walgoose.

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    update to my previous question!

    thanks folks for the positive and insightful feedback! it really helps a buyer like myself to find the best bang for the buck so to speak. today i took a day off of stickin needles and color into folks and went bike shopping. i checked out a couple sporting good stores and a couple of local bike shops. was initially looking for a left crank for my hardrock to fix what my buddy had broke. still amazed by the big box store bikes that look like the real deal at first glance. i was looking for the crank and then ended up looking at new bikes. decided i wanted something that was a little less aggressive as my specialized so i can ride it to and from work and home on the road. ended up buying a Trek haitai. its a Gary Fischer/ Trek bike for a dual purpose. i like it! it looks good, from a reputable company, and was reasonably priced for the usage its gonna get. i guess i broke it down to cost, reliability, and reputation. cross my fingers that i dont have issues! but i felt alot more comfortable buying a bike from someone who knew what they were talking about!

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    PS to the wally bikes

    Boy a guy sure can get taken by purchasing a bike like a walmart mongoose. i ran into a mongoose deception at my local wally world today that had all the trimmings that my hardrock pro has.. disk brakes etc.. FOR 200.00!!!! the average fella would probably feel like he was getting the steal of the century! and who is to say,, someone who just rides back and forth on the street and didnt beat it up would feel just like that... lucky..... just a thought. fortunately i guess that not all of us have a couple grand to blow on a bike in this economy or maybe just dont need to for all their intensive purposes.. like i said just a thought. once again thanks for all the feedback its all appreciated good bad or indiferent

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffgre_6163

    As an owner of a high end Mongoose I get frustrated with the snide looks the unwashed, unknowing MTB plebs give my bike thinking it is simply a Walgoose.
    i went through the same thing with my otero supers...

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    this sure isnt a walmart special...

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    The Google bug caught me.

    from Dorel's site http://www.dorel.com/corporate.htm
    "Similarly, its highly popular brands such as Cannondale, Schwinn, GT, Mongoose and SUGOI have made Dorel a principal player with both independent bicycle dealers and mass merchants"

    Raleigh owns Diamondback http://www.raleigh-group.com/

    IMO the entry level Raleigh and Dorel products that are sold at LBS or Chain bike shops are probable equivalent in construction to the entry level Treks and Specialized but provide a better value since they have to overcome dirtying their name from selling walgooses. Trek seem to be able to sell a 4500 disk for $800 where the sort of equivalent Diamondback Response Comp is $700.

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    You can definitely tell the low end mongooses from the high end ones, but in many peoples eyes they are all the same. I know I would not be happy if I started seeing cannondales at wally world.

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